Dune (2000) - Lady Jessica using the voice against Stilgar

[KingCharltonHeston]

I think I liked Everett McGill's Stilgar better.

[Xelpherpolis]

@KingCharltonHeston Everett McGill IS Stilgar!

[KingCharltonHeston]

@Xelpherpolis Agreed.

[CaptainPengu]

The Children of Dune miniseries was considerably better... but I'm pretty sure the only thing to blame on the miniseries as a whole was budget issues. If only this was done on the same budget as Lynch's.. uh... ...'interpretation'...

[azngoku666]

imagine if christopher nolan got a whole bunch of money and good actors to make a proper dune movie

imagine it, guys

[tificationification]

The acting makes Star Wars look like Shakespeare.

[brunospfc]

stop nerd-raging, theres no way to put on the screens what is in the book, if u trolls could stop beeing haters, you people could even apreciate the work, what is at least, "not bad at all"

[ritniis]

This was horrible. I liked the books too much to tolerate this crap for more then an hour and ripped it out of my x-box.

Insulting to the original work. Let the imagery in your head do justice where this movie would see it destroyed.

--And no I don't mean graphics or special effects, I refer to the butchery done to it's plot and many of the essential details.

[timelesslordkotahi]

@ritniis You watched an hour of this? I couldn't tolerate the 2 mins 39 secs of this bs...

[ritniis]

@timelesslordkotahi Amen brother.

[peteramthor]

I have to say I prefer the miniseries over the movie by leaps and bounds. The movie is barely Dune in anything more than the names of the characters. At least the miniseries followed the book a lot better and the changes made sense. Voice modulators...wtf... milking the freaking cat... wtf most of the movie...wtf.

[arno9909]

Why in the lords name would anyone want to remake Dune with Kyle - for fucks sakes please what the fuck - do not do this shit again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[arno9909]

jesus fuck - why in the lords name would they want to remake the original Dune with Kyle? It is impossible. The original was and is still the best movie ever made ever. Just do no recreate it - it will never ever fucking ever come even close to the real deal. There is only one Paul Muadib - "KYLE" forever.

[nexusxmoon]

Remake was horrible compared to the original. This movies has the worst acting ever.

[jhop9898]

"There had to have been people for this many plants to survive." Another clue is that they're in POTS. Great film & great actor, but that line was a slip-up.

[spacecowboy5000]

My History teacher gave me my first copy of Dune. That was in 1978. I've lost count of how many times I've read the original six books. I've seen the movie and this series (I prefer the movie). I say with my head in Shai-Hulud's mouth there will never be a proper adaptation. This is too big and too complex for Hollywood. They will always screw things up.

[rhatcher010]

In the novel Fremen are said to have eyes of blue within blue so dark to appear almost black, yet film and TV adaptations insist upon rendering them as glowing orbs. This has always bothered me. Add it the top of a long list of things that don't quite measure up about Dune in film or TV. The miniseries is superior to the David Lynch film but not by much.

[altar7]

everything here is bad. The costumes, the cast, the acting...

Why does everything have to be blue? With the stupid plants around it looks like some country side nightclub in the 80s.

[Banzay27]

I'll give them credit for the eyes. Well done. And the generic fremen looked cool in that hooded-masked style, even though they're supposed to be in still-suits.

[Cerberus1441]

@Banzay27 Just because they aren't black like in the Lynch version of the movie, doesn't mean they aren't stillsuits. In this case, they're colored correctly for a desert environment. Also, take a look at how Jessica is wearing hers, covering all of her body, even her forehead. The books mentioned a properly secured stillsuit would cover your forehead to absorb moisture perspired there. The miniseries got a LOT of things right.

[Banzay27]

@Cerberus1441 Oh good point. The fremen's don't look as convincing, but I suppose it's passable for a small budget.

Doesn't excuse how bad the extras are though, look how they're holding their pistols @ 0:22 lol?

Fremen or not, that's an obviously lousy way to aim a pistol. That's how the elderly would aim.

[deanblaze2000]

This just doesn't do it for me........

David Lynch's 1986 DUNE is one of the greatest sci movies of all time. It had a profound effect on me when I first saw it aged 10. It is an absolute master piece. O.K the book is better but they usually are, no movie can beat the human imagination.

I just love this movie.........this just isnt the same

[10072018]

@deanblaze2000 I feel the same way, DUNE was one of the first sci-fi movies I watched as a child and it had a huge effect on my taste in film forever!

[Caerdrys]

Hopefully, one day, some studio will be smart enough to put enough funding into making a movie that does Dune justice. Until then, the miniseries works (COD was better). The miniseries was descent, esp. compared to the David Lynch version. They got good sound effects, but apparently, at the cost of good costumes. I'd also like to have seen better casting--one that doesn't have the Fremen looking like a bunch of Nordics, and be slight, olive-skined, dark-haired people like the books.

[oryjen]

Filmed amateur theater under blue lights... Only 2 mikes... Pfff...

[ollie370]

LYNCH MOVIE IS WAYYY BETTER IN EVERY WAY!!!

[ollie370]

THIS TV SERIES SUCKED BALLS OF MASSIVE FAIL!!!!!!

[kingofgames1220]

hey guys at least it isn't as bad as the one from the 80's!

[flexan4o]

this movie is a complete, natural, pure, fresh crap. Dune (the novel) is one of the most amazing achievements of human imagination and it should in no way be humiliated with such retarded performances. What the heck are these fremen? They look like drunk brigands. The actors, playng Jessica and Paul are absolutely unfit for these roles. The Bene-Gesserit and especially R.M Mohiam should not look like clown-dressed, crazy butterfly-helmet bitches. And much much more...Yet, one word is enough-crap

[Sniffer194]

This movie is... interesting. Much more sticking to the novel than the Lynch version, but on the other hand - it's too... obvious. No symbols, no interesting dialogues. Only pure movie.

[shakaama]

The series was complete and utter trash. I cannot believe what they did to the story. I don't even know why they went through the trouble of raping this story.

[derblicker]

well i liked the new design aspects in this movie but its true its not the best. Frank Herberts 84 version is too epic to get a new update what got the same atitude.

[Tetley007]

she NEVER used the voice on stilgar nor any fremen. she wanted them as allys with full-wit not mind-control servants. it says this much in the book and is specific about it

[whoknows2700]

@Tetley007 Yes she did, she tried using the voice on Jamis, to prevent him from calling Paul out, Paul himself uses the voice on an entire group of fremen just before the battle of Arrakeen which allowed him full leadership of the fremen without the need for calling out Stilgar. The only person Jessica didn't use voice on was Leto as she didn't want to make him a puppet.

[Tetley007]

@whoknows2700 [n the Book] I don't think that is true. If I could see some footnotes for the book then I would acquiesce.

[BVargas78]

The series was pretty good overall. I'd give it 7/10 and children of dune 8/10

[PsilliPig]

This film just misses it, doesn't it. the dreamlike quality of Lynch's Dune is really limited to his work. Why do people keep bothering to try? It's already been done and done extremely well.

[sambro89]

The casting is off. I think the film is much better. Stilgar is too fat, and he looks annoyed rather than afraid when Jessica takes him by the throat. I like the Bene Geserit movement, though.

[lestube001]

i like it how the navigators talk in the original film

[benfrombelow]

thats an awfully fat stilgar

[antaabel]

Wow. This whole setting is just like I imagined it to be after reading the book. Except I imagined it through an orange-brown filter.

[teezbeatz]

at least proper weirding way in this.. whoever came up with that whole "sound-module" idea of lynch´s anyway?

i mean the 1984 movie doesn't deny that paul is a superbeing, why not let him have his superhuman powers?

[cyberpunk1983]

@teezbeatz: David Lynch came up with the idea of the "wierding module" since he believed that it would look ridiculous to have a bunch of martial arts fighting in the desert, though that is the essence of the weirding way.

@archer1949: This is the Sci Fi channel, or rather SyFy channel's 2000 miniseries. The effects are a tad cheap-looking but then again most CG looked a bit crummy ten years ago, especially by today's standards, why look at Mortal Kombat which came out in 1995 lol

[teezbeatz]

well, maybe at that time it would have looked really cheap. i just watched the "children of dune" mini-series and though it had it´s faults, the bene-gesserit way of fighting looked okay.

[lowenklee]

@teezbeatz

well, his name is a killing word. In fact, I hear that soon he won't even need the modules;)

[archer1949]

I haven't seen this, but it looks pretty legit. A bit cheap, but I recognize dialog taken directly from the book, which is more than you can say about Lynch's fiasco.

[bluerisk]

But the actors were so much better.

[t260y]

and looked the part...ethnicity wise. This Stillgar loos like the found him behind the theatre getting ready to mug somebody. The only thing I like about this one is the graphical update...man, I need GOD EMPEROR OF DUNE

[t260y]

I see the Fremen are still as bad-ass as usual. Gotta love that sucky upbringing that turns your whole people into warriors

[teezbeatz]

hahaha ^^

n1

[bookslay]

neither the movie or this version follow the book 100% although this is closer to it. There are many gaps that do not feature good characters like duncan or gurney halleck.

[t260y]

@bookslay duncan kicked ass. I liked how they had master swordsmen, I mean Ginaz Masters...I think, that were in a sci-fi sort of thing

[bookslay]

you are so right, the one thing i like about the prequel books is that they take the time to explain all the training that duncan had and what an accomplish fighter he was.

[beautifuldaemon]

This movie is terrible. xD STilgar is too big, the Fremen are supposed to be like anemic. Because water-fatness is like evil or whatever. Psh.

And when you use the voice it's supposed to compel you unwillingly. Although I don't really remember this part in the book , it was a while ago. xD

[Ander01SE]

beautifuldaemon:

Can only agree, the actors looks so damn out of place it's scary. Stilgar "the fremen leader" looks like someone who frequently gets thrown out from various pubs and his body language is like "what am I doing here?"

While Lynch's movie had many flaws and cheap effects, Kyle MacLachlan as Paul Atreides wipes the floor with this dude who feels more like someone at "Xena" level... O_o

[beautifuldaemon]

And the Baron FLIES. The Baron does not FLY. xD He FLOATS because he's a giant fat arse. ._o

[Fedaykin4321]

Stilgar does look a lil "water-soft", but they did this scene almost exactly the way it happened in the book. It's nearly word-for-word.

I thought the actor who played him did a pretty good job tho.

[hho2y2]

@beautifuldaemon whatever! this scene is very close to the novel.

[beautifuldaemon]

@hho2y2 Well it's not the dialogue or the setting or the plot that bothers me. xD It's the details! There's no attention to detail! xD The thing that bothers me the most is that the Bene Gesserit are clearly portrayed in the film as basically being witches. Or psychics, or something. Which in the book it states quite clearly that they are not.

I feel that that detail really detracts from the Dune universe, and introduces an element of 'magic' which maeks it seem all very... high fantasy.

[Sniffer194]

@beautifuldaemon Bene Gesserit were exactly the order of the phylosophy - related searchers, which were interested in the politics and political domination. However, most of the people - straight - thinking Fremen especially - saw them as witches.

But, pshycic powers of the BG (they weren't even pshycic - it was just neural control and brain reactions) weren't playing such a important role in the universe of "Dune".

[subliteral]

@beautifuldaemon I don't think this was a terrible production. But you're right. Look at the supposed Stilgar's water-fat flesh! No Fremen he.

[ReflectedDream]

@beautifuldaemon I hate to tell you this, but when they cast people for Dune their first thought was probably "Can they play the character?" and not "Do they look like they've gone their whole life without water?" And as nice as it is to hope to get both, appearances are not always the most important part. I /greatly/ prefer this version because it was not so heavy-handed as David Lynch's movie, and Dune is all about subtly.

[PAsteellJAM]

Los fremen están gordos, Paul parece un metrosexual de las Colinas Beverly y Jessica, o, pobre Jessica, la han convertido en... eso.

¡Madición, era el mejor personaje!

La versión de Lynch no era perfecta, ni mucho menos, pero almenos le hacía honores a las novelas de Franck Herbert. Era una película DIGNA.

La miniserie solo es ridícula.

[solnegrolunaroja]

Is partially true, but Lady Jessica didn't use the voice with Stilgar, he recognizes his defeat and offers shelter.

[beautifuldaemon]

They use the voice for liek everything. xD

[solnegrolunaroja]

well.. that's true indeed :-)

[beautifuldaemon]

I know I would.

[lucaboris]

this scene is remarkably true to the book

[glantz91]

they are joking... for now the book remains the best, perhaps because It's the source?

[freakyMof]

Dune is a science fiction masterpiece, why the hell would someone want to slaughter it like that? I hope you get swallowed by a worm :)

[mokaszin]

i would so love a good movie of Dune...the movie (1984) and these mini series...even children of dune mini series wrecks herberts masterpiece

[Kotzu1337]

LMAO at the stillsuits.

[biggee316]

I liked the miniseries better, although i did think that the wierding sonic weapons of the original movie were a better concept than the interpretation of the wierding in the miniseries.

[SamuraiJack117]

You guys are nuts.

The miniseries was legit.

[RanHarasaki]

@SamuraiJack117

I mean, yeah dude it was alright by all standards, especially for a made-for-t.v. mini-series. However, now that it's been RECENTLY re-imagined, there's almost NO chance that another movie (perhaps with a bigger budget) will be made anytime soon. :'( I liked the mini-series, but unDOUBTEDLY, I would've preferred another massively-epic Dune movie.

[vigo894]

@RanHarasaki= You're right. Paramount backed off the Dune remake.. There will not be one for the forseeable future.

[kittykatBflat]

@SamuraiJack117 Totally agree with you man, whats with the haters?

[Sidenote138]

Both renditions are bad. But this one is fucking horrible. At least the Lynch one had style.

[jaydizzle333]

seriously the miniseries are an insult to Herbet's novel. Jessica sounds like r2d2 when using the voice lmao

[marc93700]

what the f... is this?

Is it a joke or parodie?

[Caerdrys]

Its part of the Dune miniseries.

[saleam1]

i love it how at 1:43 he just chucked the guy like he was a ball

[alpturantan]

do you shit inside a stillsuit?

[dooderlober]

Yes. And if your stillsuit is adjusted properly you'll not lose more than a thimble of water a day even in the open dessert.

[shadyman2000]

where does the dry shit go? Do you get diaper rash?

[amerigovespucci]

.... that's an excellent question.

[Tukian]

the dry shit is contained in special minibags on the legs, that you have to empty each day. The books say the stillsuit smell really bad because that.

[spacecowboy5000]

The Fremen should have worn those pine-scented car fresheners. Or maybe cinamon-scented.

[beautifuldaemon]

Hahahaha xD This conversation is hilarious.

[spacecowboy5000]

I could go on and on. I agree with what you said about this movie. Fremen would have bodies like track & field athletes - 0 fat. This film is only slightly better than Lynch's version. But like someone already said, most of the actors in his version did a much better job portraying Dune's characters. No matter what kind of freshener they use.

[egzit]

I thought that throughout the whole series.

[jogu78]

this feels like a play on a stage, not a movie

[EyeballGrowth]

This series shouldn't exist. It's an abomination

[suntzu1985]

actually the abomination was the lousy piece of shit made in 1984 by david lynch starring kyle maclachlan. that version was ABSOLUTELY horrendous and should be incinerated and its ashes launched into outer space with a trajectory toward the sun.

[amerigovespucci]

Agreed.

Because, of course, Muad'dib had a WIERDING MODULE that fires SONIC BEAMS when he says his name.

OF COURSE.

[suntzu1985]

the 1984 version was an amalgamation of errors starting with david lynch to kyle machlachlan to the big screen. it was a horrendous interpretation of frank herbert's novels.

[suntzu1985]

from my readings and discussions this was invented as a dramatic theatrical gimmick to get part of the weirding way across on film.

[amerigovespucci]

Um.... the "weirding way" is close quarters combat.

David lynch did a pretty bad job of doing that.

[suntzu1985]

yes, i have read the books by frank herbert as well as those written or compiled by his son. david lynch did a HORRIFIC job of the movie but there were many others who helped produce the monstrosity that was released in 1984

[Malardene]

1:46 is awesome! The voice sounds good in both Dunes!

[Atreides22222]

Stilgar looks like a fat drunk consntruction worker, doesnt he, but i still like

Dune

[TouchedProductions]

I agree... his flesh looks far too water-saturated for a desert-dweller such as he supposedly is.

[MintySpunkBubble]

I know this series covers more, obviously, than the 1984 version but for every scene it did cover it was so much better done. Who could like these rather boring Stillsuits compared to the ones in Lynch's Dune, they're classic. Stilgar just isn't as "cool" as Everett McGill's. Sure there are things like the weirding way I would have liked to have seen, but the transition of Paul using the module to just using his voice was excellent. Bring on your 'thumbs down', fuckers.

[Shipgate]

Actually, I totally agree with you. I'm always trying to tell people that despite the inaccuracies of the Dune movie, it was so much better directed and casted than the miniseries was. And the stillsuits in the movie actually look functional. These just look shitty.

I also can't stand the lighting in the Dune miniseries. They did it like it was literally a play on stage and you had some lighting guy playing with all these blues, purples and greens.

[darthmooman]

How did the stillsuits in the movie look functional? THEY DIDN'T WEAR ANY KIND OF HEAD OR FACE COVERING. They would have lost so much water without reclaiming the moisture from their breath or sweat. I just couldn't take it seriously.

Anyway, all you need to keep your body's moisture from escaping is some well-layered synthetics. You don't need a suit of body armor.

I can't deny that the casting, effects, lighting, and almost everything else sucked. I just hate people raggin' on the stillsuits

[Shipgate]

What looked functional about the original stillsuits (besides from the lack of face covering) was that it actually looked like it contained recovered water. If the stillsuit is supposed to be this super high efficiency filtration system, I would expect it to appear kind of bulky in some places where those filters are going to be. These ones shown here I can't imagine there are any inner workings within them at all. They appear as merely a thin sheet of fabric.

[pukeachu]

Has anyone  ever wondered whether or not Lucas lifted the voice concept from Herbert, remolding it sans telekinesis(note:Paul eventually develops that ability)into "The Force". Not one critic has to my knowledge ever contemplated this...

[PrincessaGianna]

I've thought of that...

[BeondaPale]

the concept of "the Force" is ANCIENT the strongest influence is primarily Taoist philosophy and also Zen Buddhism. The light and dark side of the Force is analogous to the Yin and Yang duality of the Tai chi.

[pukeachu]

I've read that as well. Don't quite buy it because-flakey toe-tag hippie babble aside-there isn't much emphasis on telepathy or levitation.

[BeondaPale]

lol, I didn't realize hippies were 1.) Asian or 2.) ancient.

Also, WANNA BET? enter levitation telepathy & Buddhism into Google - 21,000 results

[pukeachu]

Wasn't implying that hippies are strictly Asian, just that it was through them primarily that U.S. awareness of eastern mysticism came about. Ascetic social movements do date back to times immemorial.

Google the words virgin and bleed;results will likely be more than 21,000. Doesn't mean that every or even most chicks spill red after their 1st time.

[BeondaPale]

My point, of course, is follow some of those 21,000 links and you will find that Buddhists and also Hindus are likely to believe that Yoda's (comes suspiciously close to Yogi doesn't it?) levitation, telepathy & telekinesis is not only possible but likely.

And wait a sec. Have you ever seen pictures of George Lucas from his student days at USC (1965 to 1968)? beard, long hair, ... hanging out in jazz clubs and coffee houses in San Francisco talking about all things avant garde? ...Far out man

[pukeachu]

My point; find any level-headed book or practioner of Buddhism or Hinduism and they'll admit freely that those things are potential "perks" of the faith, not the superlative focus that proves or disproves the piousness of an adherent.

I'm well aware of Lucas's background-was being facetious with that first line in the prior post-and have no way of proving what inspiration from Herbert he did or didn't draw. Nor do I care. Just noting that the similarities are striking.

[shiversandchills]

What the F*(& kind of illustration is this? Trying to impress on the mind of an assumed testosterone filled collegiate or basement living male illustration? Sheeezwhiz. Says more about yourself than the other guy.

[pukeachu]

Uh, I'm neither of those stereotypes IMHO, nor was I out to "debunk" differing opinions. Just engaging in a friendly discourse.

[shiversandchills]

I hear what you're saying. Understand the instant you use an example like "Google the words virgin and bleed;results will likely be more than 21,000. Doesn't mean that every or even most chicks spill red after their 1st time." it's not likely to keep the discussion friendly. I wasn't saying you were a stereotype but that you were trying to make a memorable impression on a certain stereotype. Thanks 4 staying civil, not many do on youtube. Cheers. Whaddya think of Peter Berg directing a new Dune?

[pukeachu]

That's my naturally sardonic personality; making an impression never crossed my mind honestly. Was unaware of Berg's remake until now. Found The Kingdom fun. More power to him.

[RolfLarsson]

After thousands of years of being on Arrakis, the Fremen should be a little darker, I think.

[silaku]

the way she just sort of faints then weirds then grabs stilgar by the throat and then uses the voice. so cool. talk about girl power, hehe.

personally, i like both jessicas. saskia is the young, brash, tragic-in-the-making jessica and alice is the mature, hardened, and mega-tough jessica.

[wolfeyez]

Lady Jessica is not using the voice against Stilgar in the book!

[snhvtyrnt]

Saskia Reeves was a good Jessica, better than the woman from Childern of Dune.

[ZemplinTemplar]

Bah ! Maybe more sexy, but not mature enough looking. Alice Krige (COD) is supposed to be Jessica after nearly 30 years from the events of the first book - logical, no ?

[CheckdaFlow]

Much better than the old version. Stilgar is cool and the way Jessica uses her voice is cool too.