My wife lost two good jobs because of the methadone program. After 4 years of being a patient in good standing with her clinic they were uneilling to work with her in regards to her employment and still insisted that she miss a half day work, every week, to piss in a cup after 4 years without one dirty urine sample. She quit the program, went back to using pills and weaned herself off. 12 years clean, now.
The program is a Godsend for some and the worst kind of prison for others.
why is it that only usa can have drug problems you see in uk we treat addicts with methadone an heroin scripts also we have good clicnhs etc detox rehabs , but if im going to upset ppl cause of spelling mistakes as that makes me an easy target ffs get some balls
The USA depends financially on drug prohibition. It would be a threat to public support for prohibition if a heroin trial was in place, because people would eventually realise heroin is a safe drug and created no problems in a legal context. Prohibition relies in large part on the lie that heroin is dangerous. Herion prescription would undermine this lie. The USA will not currently allow any threat to something as important to the disfunctional economy as drug prohibition.
I'm using the World Health Organization website, a few different medical jounals that I read regularly (One from Canada, One from the US, one from the UK and one from The medical teaching facility at the University of Cairo), LEAP's website and newsletter and my experience as a retired rehabilitation worker who still pays attention to what's going on on the track.
What are you using as your information source, out of curiousity?
In recent years, methadone has gained popularity among physicians for the treatment of other medical problems, such as an analgesic in chronic pain. Due to its activity at the NMDA receptor it may be more effective against neuropathic pain; for the same reason tolerance to the analgesic effects maybe lesser compared to other opioids
reason tolerance to the analgesic effects maybe lesser compared to other opioids. The increased usage comes as doctors search for an opioid drug that can be dosed less frequently than shorter-acting drugs like morphine or hydrocodone. Another factor in the increased usage is the low cost of methadone.[19][20][21]
cool good on you but please dont be so judgemental an my spelling annoys you that much then im sorry but thats silly i dont mind the truth but every one snot perfect i could have more brains or higher iq then you as they say dont atke my kindess as a weakness , why is it hard to find or share an experince with out arguing disagreeing is ok but here its war why???? why attack me for my spelling if youd nothing better to do
Wow,im from Brazil,here Heroin is VERY VERY rare.But we have Crack,i understand they're completely different drugs,but it causes many of the Heroin problems (Socialy,helthly speaking)
U myself am a drug addict in my own way...but i am medically treated,i think just aming it legal would go a long way against narcotrafic
@guilhermejrmarin what is there medically for crack addiction ive never heard of anything yet theres a new drug there trying , but @ 1 time in uk you could get dexerdrine for ampethamine abuse but the goverment has seen its error an now revoke that idea, but stil im intrested in knowing with medication your being perscribed
Isnt morphine alot weaker than heroin? Like oxycodone would be stronger than hydrocodone but hydrocodone would be stonger than codeine, oxycodone would be a bit weaker than heroin?
Yes, heroin is basically super morphine. Heroin is processed to morphine by the liver but it takes much less of the initial product to get the same pain relief because the body processes the heroin at a much higher rate of bio availability than morphine.
@wks107tdv123 Heroin is just a delivery system for morphine. The theory is that it crosses the blood brain barrier quickly, where it is converted into morphine. If you take heroin, maximum blood concentration of morphine is reached within ten minutes.
lol ffs no way complaining about metahdone ffs at least your not rattling you moron get a grip ok your not getting the same buzz , then dont fucking take iit you ungrateful cunts , but to sell it on is dam right disgusting as you could kill some 1 , but morphine anit the same buzz as diamorphine or temgesic or tramadol now thats a bad side affects on me. now pethadine or demerol in usa is like speeding but drowsy @ same time but these guys on here are after cycclizine based pills as you trip out
last rant if your going to judge me or call me silly names then great your the moron not nothing the facts why dont some of you ask your parents what drugs theyve ussed drug abuse is widely done by most ppl in country in 80s it was coke all the toffs rich ppl were using it an was cool to use it , why call some 1 a smack head crack head when there using drugs thats right mugs but at least acrack head washes his coke an gets pure coke instead off all shit its cut with lmao who s the fool peace
if you abuse some thing it will aBUSE YOU BACK , like i saying in 90s till 2000 i was taking loads of mdma in tablet form its back again now but in powder form , but ppl are being ripped off with METHAMPHETAMINE yes they sell you meth a highly addictive stimuliant but not phyiscally but its facts though as program saying heroin on its own in pure is safe , also why should i be imprisoned or arressted for the drug i wish to use fact if there were no drugs they would be less police doctors customs
@VegassTrades what i was sayiing or trying was ppl are being ripped off with methamphetamine instead off mdma as ppl wouldnt really know difference, unless you was ar egaular usesr of both
@VegassTrades [84][85] PMA is unique in its ability to quickly elevate body temperature and heart rate at relatively low doses, especially in comparison to MDMA. Hence, a user believing he is consuming two 120 mg pills of MDMA could actually be consuming a dose of PMA that is potentially lethal, serotonin syndrome can result.[86] Combining MAO inhibitors with certain legal prescription and over the counter medications can also lead to (potentially fatal) serotonin syndrome
@uk7roomdaddy depending on the purity of the pill. Not only does PMA cause the release of serotonin but it also acts as a monoamine oxidase inhibitor, MAOI. When combined with an MDMA or an MDMA-like substance,
@uk7roomdaddy what i was trying to put is this There have been a number of deaths attributed to para-Methoxyamphetamine (PMA), a potent and highly neurotoxic hallucinogenic amphetamine, being sold as ecstasy
@uk7roomdaddy Yeah, PMA's well documented to have been used as a substitute but I've not heard anything recently. Check out Piperazine, got the spelling wrong originally
oh on the subject of drug use werent it normal for pepole to go out every weekend an party!!!!! yes it was exstacy whizz trips ketamine that was the 90s an late 80s the 70s was speed an trips with all night dacing to motown infact most music is done through the use of drugs , so im getting mixed messages smacks bad cokes okay bolloxs use an not abuse is the way? what im saying is this a coke head will call a crackhead dirty but there the same drug just 1 s smoked instead of snorted mostly 2faced
@blancogurrl well stop drinking then why alter you state of mind with adrug oh i know why cause its exceptable to abuse alcohol , what about solvent abuse glue gas etc , or legaal highs like meow meow which is now banned shake an vac they call it now it use a plant feeder yes for plants but it supposeed to get you high not tryd that but hey some folk will do owt every1 to there own i say
I sincerely hope that you never find yourself in a situation where your medical concerns dictate that you need to be treated with addictive medications. The majority of addicts attending methadone clinics in the last decade were doctor supported addicts.
Possibly. They could be using heroin to treat an undiagnosed mental concern or they could be taking it to treat a physical ailment. Some people don't have access to good medical care and medicate themselves with the tools that they have available.
@lesterclaypool1 really, did u know most people like 99.99% of them take it cause ther addicted, or just 2 get high, to experiment, or 2 get away from mental pain inside?
No, I didn't know that. I know a lot of factual statistics about the drug and it's usage but I've never heard that bullshit figure before, likely because you've made it up to support your unfounded comment.
@lesterclaypool1 no I used to b on it myself, and most of if not all the people around me including ones who died were on ot 4 those reasons, so stick your facts and stats up your arse mate
And your anecdotal evidence has about as much value as my anecdotal evidence..that of a cup of wet feathers.
Sad that you're too stupid to realize that my original comment spoke about some drug users, not all, making your "99.9%" seem even more of an idiotic, unfounded statement.
Shame about the likes of you, mate: It's your type that make addicts look, on the whole, ignorant and pedantic.
@lesterclaypool1 its got alot more value than anything u have, and I dont really give 2 fucks about your original statement, or your completely unimportant opinion on me, or whatever else u have to talk about, your some academic know it all dick, and u dont really know anything at all about what your talking about
Look, bro, I'm sorry that you had a rough go on the horse. I'd rather no Afghan tribesman ever asked what that poppy was. I'm sorry that our society clings to racist and sexist laws and that these laws led to you suffering adverse effects from unregulated substances and the monetary ills, and likely crime, that the black market drove you to to afford the 400% product inflation but fabricating facts and figures doesn't make the drug bad, it makes you uninformed.
@lesterclaypool1 heroin is bad ok, u can put as maych make up on it as u like 2 try and make it cool as lou reed stylem but its still going to smell bad, every serious addict has a rough ride on the horse and gets thrown off and trampled on, ur obviously some academic campus loving twat, with unrealistic romantic views on heroin usage
Heroin isn't bad, it is the most effective opiate painkiller known to man necessitating less of the drug to get the same pain relief as higher doses of morphine, dilaudid, oxycodone etc.
Prohibition is the problem. The black market that it creates leads to dirty product being distributed by dirty people for whom the only thing important is the bottom line.
@lesterclaypool1 your rong there ketamine is best pain killer but thats a anathesic drug used in operations but used in major accidents due to the fact that it doesnt alter youre breathing well cns depressant like morhpine or diamorphine , ive tried most pain killers in bnf an metahdone is also a better pain killer then morphine or diamorphine in my opinon as its not as sedating or sickley an pain relif as morphine or heroin only lasts 4to 6 hrs but pool i agree with you on this
In terms of weighing the pros and cons of side effects to overall effectiveness heroin offers the best pain relief with the least amount of side effects. Ketamine, as you said, is too hypnotic and sedating to function on and methadone, like most opiods brings with it the joys of out of control weight gain, and has, not worth much, anecdotal evidence of tooth loss and bone leaching.
@lesterclaypool1 bone leaching lmao your now satying metahdone gets in to bones tahts a junkies MYTH PLEASE if your going to state facts state facts tooth lose is down to bad hygenine mate ffs please propaganda again but youre also correct heroin is 1 of the best pain killers but its short acting thats why i said metahdone as its not as sickely as morphine or sedating your saying this with trying either of these drugs for pain relif or to get of your head so how would yoyu know
Read my comment again, I didn't say that at all. I said that it "has, not worth much, anecdotal evidence of tooth loss and bone leaching." Of course it's not true but if those taking it believe this junkie myth the worry about it can psychologically effect how they respond to the drug. If the power of suggestion can make a sugar pill placebo work it can be equally damaging to the effectiveness of another drug.
@uk7roomdaddy howould i know ? how do you think i know ?please, by the way mdm and mda, are not like meth to me at all try to sleep after meth good luck on the other hand you can sleep after a dose of mda / mdma if it is real and not screwed up with other things like meth thats one way to tell right away if you have taken mdma or some thing that is called E as well E also is being mixed with things like that new drug from china [dragonfly]and people are dying because of it look it up
And I'm the furthest thing from an academic. I play guitar for a living. My job puts me in situations where I see people get eaten alive by paying 400% more than the product is worth to satisfy the black market demands. I've also seen people die from the illegal status of the product making it impossible to know whether what you are getting is clean or even your regular dose.
The prohibition on drugs, and the social ills and violence that it creates, is bad.
@lesterclaypool1 you know what well said it s the goverment and criminals that are making money , why should i be a criminal for the choice of pain killers i tyake, or what about benzodiazapines, then your talking about seroiuss drug abuse , like ive said im also addiccted to diazepam from amotor bike accident , but i still say ill rather take drugs then alcohol who really cares if you tried lsd god try mexican mushrooms then you know tripping peace not all addicts are bad ok
@Zephyesa your a moron youve most probly taken codeine or dihydrocodeine as its avilable in most over the counter pain killers there an opaite fool mild but still an opaite why do moron hang themsleves ffs i will start drinking might as well get the ful benifit of being out me tree but only problem alcohol is a cns depressant
@Zephyesa wtf areyou chatting if you drink alcohol im my opoinon your carzy but hey tahts just my humble opinon , bold staement with nothing to back it up with as usaual , a do gooder who then goes an abuses acohol
?@uk7roomdaddy I dont drink alcohol, I havent had any at all since 15/4/ 2007, I havent had any drugs of any kind since the same date, and I gave up smoking 15/3/ 2002
This is ridicules, there is a HUGE difference between prescribed opiates for cancer etc and buying street heroin cut with go knows what, and using dirty needles!
@countsmyth I believe that is the point. Basically this is trying to advocate legalisation to stop the stupid black market. Who in their right mind would buy god knows what on the corner when you could go to a store and buy clean product that has had regulations slapped on it to prevent impurities.
I meant to say one of the most. Alcohol is clearly the worst. Tobacco is up there too. Not trying too argue but have lost close friends from heroin use alone. Have had my own issues and assume people that responded are users. Now that im out of the haze I see how evil it is. Sorry if I can offended anyone but I can't justify saying this drug is safe. Godspeed to the users but I've seen it turn great people to monsters and take people before their time. God bless.
It turns people into monsters because they have to do horrible things to obtain a product that the black market has inflated 400% from the production cost.
And the friends that I've lost I haven't lost from H, I've lost them from H not being regulated leading to shit cuts poisoning them or a very pure dose being presented as their regular dose.
Legalization would cure the social ills associated with drug use.
im an ex adict. i was lucky. no nasty infections. gear is very bad .listen to me if you are thinking about it try to forget it, because if you dont its on you for life. like it or not. ive been clean for 12 years but its a constent daily battle. DONT DO IT PLEASE!!!!
To say that opiates are safe is wildly irresponsible . Why are opiates the most deadly drugs on the planet? More die from them then anything aside from cigarettes. This documentary must be funded by big pharma.
@headkrakva No, its the truth. Opiates are safe apart from constipation. It is patently absurd to say that they are "deadly". "Overdose" (taking only opiates) is a myth used to demonise them. Heroin is just morphine. You might like to slot alcohol in beside tobacco in regards deaths. But that might be your drug?
No, because it impairs you more than any street drug or pharma and because it rots your body and brain. It's a lethal intoxicant. Heroin doesn't shut down your liver like alcohol or even acetaminophen/ paracetamol.
@lesterclaypool1 just to let you know that alcohol does not impair you the most. someone driving home drunk stands a better chance of getting home safer then someone on lsd for example.
@lesterclaypool1 seeing as i have been drunk and have taken lsd i can say 100% driving drunk is safer than driving 2 hours in to a lsd trip. also do you have any experience in anything you are talking about or are you just regurgitating "facts" you have just googled?
Anecdotal evidence, huh? See my comment to Zephyesa about the value of anecdotal evidence. That comment also answers your question; my plethora of experience with mind and body altering substances is irrelevant. I've seen my wife function perfectly fine after an anesthetic that would immobilize others for 48 hours
The biology and chemistry of the substance is the only hard and fast truth about it, not what your uncle's dog's former owner's gay lover says about it.
@lesterclaypool1 it is ok you got confused by my comment i expected it. first please copy and paste where i said i drove drunk since i never have. i just have been drunk and have taken lsd so i know the differences and the level of impairment on both. again sorry you were confused. once again you fail
I apologize. On reading your poorly constructed comment again I see that you don't imply that you've driven on these substances, making your anecdotal evidence even more fucking useless.
@lesterclaypool1 aha *clapping* congrats. ok so i am now going to leave you to debate with a random on a youtube video comment box. have fun with that. i know i got under your skin seeing as we apparently talked before on youtube yet you still have not reminded me when or what over. so have fun and again if you are over the age of 20. please kill yourself because you are to far gone. bye
It was a Mike Tyson video where you tried to teach me grammar with your sadly lacking grammatical abilities. You looked stupid and uninformed in those comments, too.
@lesterclaypool1 OMG LMFAO i sort of kinda remember you. you are the guy who uses an excess, unnecessary amount of punctuation to try and come off as smart but fail and come out looking like a pseudo-intellectual. i really got under your skin did i not? lol how old are you?
No, you had no effect on me other than being one of the few people that I've conversed with on here in the last week because I don't live online like you do.
@lesterclaypool1 lol i think tracking me on youtube shows i had a little effect on you. you claim i live online but unless you were sitting at your comp constantly refreshing my history in order to see what i am doing. all i can see is your comments being debated with because you are a pseudo-intellectual re spiting statistics or "facts" you take as real because you are a moron. noticed you would not say how old you are lmfao
I had been talking to someone on this video for a week before I responded to you and the date the comments were posted prove this.
I'm tempted to post the link to the Tyson video to show people how irony is wasted on children and idiots and the fool that you made of yourself in those comments because of this age old truth, but I feel bad enough for you, already, for how stupid you look in these ones.
I'm ashamed to claim someone as stupid as you as my countryman, deeply ashamed.
@lesterclaypool1 lol i knew i got under your skin. sure post any link you want if it'll make you feel better. still avoiding saying how old you are eh. as i said before. if you are over the age of 20...wow, kill yourself
@unholychunk why do you avoid my questions please im not afetr an arguement but lesterclaypool 1 has given me some thing to think about also talk about i put caffine on the list to begin with but youve said fuck all to me why ??? also askd you other things you are on here alot we all are but werte getting away from the topic in question DRUG ABUSE now unholly im going to back track an spend day answering reanswering your statements just out of curoisty sorry for my spelling
@uk7roomdaddy ok. you just got to remind me what your questions were and ill answer them best of my abilities and not just google statistics without researching them then reporting back here as facts like a lot of people tend to do
@lesterclaypool1 Alcohol doesn't shut down your liver. Sure damage may happen over decades of drinking. Heroin? It does far more damage. It changes the chemistry of the brain - it changes you irreversibly very quickly. Heroin is lethal. Yes, pure medical heroin will can kill you. Alcohol can kill you too but you see with alcohol there is a safety - you will most likely pass out before you can drink enough to die. Only idiots who drink several bottles at once are in danger.
Heroin ups the dopamine that the brain expects to feel good, it doesn't change the brain 'irreversibly". After initial acute withdrawal natural dopamine reception goes back up by 50 percent, the remaining reception can take a couple of years without use to come back but it does come.
Heroin has a lower thresh hold for vomiting and passing out, non fatally, than alcohol. Alcohol abuse over time will shut liver and kidneys down, heroin will not.
@kotapaka umm lesterclaypool1 is an idiot yes, but alcohol does shut down your liver. i have had an uncle die from liver failure after many years of hard drinking
@unholychunk Yes of course I didn't say it doesn't. Alcohol causes liver failure andcirrhosis but it usually happens after many years of heavy drinking if it happens at all. But yes, alcohol as a drug is not that great either but heroin is worse. Also alcohol has some beneficial effects whereas I don't see many beneficial effects of heroin.
How is heroin worse than alcohol? Side effects of clinical grade heroin? Constipation and dependance. Side effects of alcohol? Slowed reaction time, stress on the renal, cardiovascular, cardiopulmonary and neurological systems, death of brain cells, corrosion of the digestive system and organs, impaired coordination, lowered inhibitions, inability to judge spatial and personal placement etc.
Why don't you learn about both substances before you comment in ignorance?
Now, list your "beneficial effects" of alcohol? A glass of wine can lower bad cholesterol? So can dark green veg, certain shellfish and a diet that contains healthy fats as opposed to trans and man made ones.
Heroin and other opiates have contributed to quality of life in people with diseases that cause chronic pain. The only thing that adversely effects the benefits of heroin is it's prohibitive status that creates a dangerous black market.
@lesterclaypool1 We are talking about chronic, regular use. I've read about the two drugs - I think it's time you read about them a bit more besides the short description in wikipedia.
Alcohol is enjoyed by a lot of people for it's taste AND for its effects as a drug. You can't taste heroin as it's mostly injected. Heroin also affects the brain and the nervous system. It only shows ignorance to think it doesn't.
@lesterclaypool1 As a matter of fact heroin affects receptors in pretty much the whole body but mainly brain, spinal cord and gut. That's why withdrawal is so nasty. Tolerance builds up quickly because heroin induces physiological changes in the body. I hope you're not a heroin user because you seem very ignorant. You argue as though alcohol and heroin are on the opposite sides of the scale when in fact they are both depressants and have common features.
Alcohol is an acquired taste the same as the enjoyment from heroin is acquired.. A first time H user is as likely to puke and pass out as the first time drinker. The drugs differ WHEN it comes to long term usage. The withdrawals from long term alcohol use are dangerous and even lethal, unlike heroin withdrawal.
Booze is legal because it's users got violent when it was prohibited. Drugs that don't create this irrational reaction in their users remain scheduled.
@lesterclaypool1 You're obviously a smackhead trying to convince himself that heroin is OK. You've read bits and pieces of the wikipedia article on heroin but only bits and pieces - not the full article or any further literature. The adverse effects are constipation and dependence. The pharmacological effects are changes in the whole body and body chemistry and functions incl. the brain and nervous system. Go shoot heroin then if you think it's so safe and good. Idiot...
@kotapaka look you prat drugs used safely are ok. fact its when its cut with other drugs an chemicals , yes im a user of many substances , but i came by the way of heroin by getting hooked on pain killers then a doctor refused to traet me , so i used smack i had no choice. you see so why tar every1 witrh same brush i bet you drink alcohol why its a horrid buzz? well for me it is , pepole get violent abusive etc so end of thats there choice i dont drink i want it banned ill rather
Have you left and taken your ignorance and unwarranted abuse and name calling with you? Good. We don't need reactionary and poor mannered isiots like you areund when we a trying to educate people about harm reduction in drug use.
@lesterclaypool1 Yeah, heroin withdrawal is not lethal...Addicts get hemorrages (that's right google that word) in the brain which is one of the many ways they die. That's why withdrawal has to be controlled. Of course heroin can kill you by overdose which is very easy to achieve. Anyway, I rest my case. Arguing with a retard ain't easy but arguing with a guitar player is even worse as they usually have even less brain power.
@kotapaka use diamorhpine then alcohol why i dont get aggressive or abusive etc , but thte fact remains in pure form is safe you moron im walking proof it works but i wouldnt have used heroin if the doctor well new doctor would off perscribed me my medication so i was a junkie on pain killers any DRUG WILL KILL YOU IF USED INCORRECTLY MORONS , HAVE YOU 2 TRIED DRUGS EXCEPT ALCOHOL, like your feed back, wow some hostilaty here on utube ffs we are trying to educate not argue morons peace
Addicts in withdrawal get muscle spasms that can effect existing aneurisms causing hemorrhage (It's a lot easier to Google the word when you spell it correctly, dumb fuck.). These same muscle spasms can cause miscarriage in pregnant women. This isn't an effect of the drug, itself, or withdrawal, rather.these are existing conditions aggravated by the withdrawal.
You need to work on your reading comprehension, it'll save you looking stupid.
As to your ad hominem attack, because killing the messenger helps your debate, as opposed to making you look stupid: I worked in addiction rehabilitation for 11 years. I got tired of feeding addicts a more addictive substance with more negative side effects, methadone, as part of a government ruse to be their drug dealer to get their money.
I am now affiliated with LEAP (You can Google that) in hopes of ending the violence and crime associated with prohibition.
Because lets face it. Govt really cares about our welfare. Tony has a cushy little number now. His reward for furthering a shitty war agenda that the majority of his party and British citizens didnt want. What they presented as evidence to justify that war was nothing short of shocking. Being brutally honest it was willfully dishonest.....at best, and at worst, a downright fraud. In that respect mr blair is and always will be a criminal. Or if you want to blame Bush, then a criminals lackey.
At the highest levels of govt, the levels that go above the heads of Prime Ministers and Presidents, would anyone really be surprised if the truth was that the biggest smugglers of drugs had major influence and power over the govt. I wouldn't, but like all things outside of peoples comfort zone youre labelled conspiracy cook. Politicians know fine well they have no business telling you what you can and cannot put into your body. They pander to the masses, especially when it serves an agenda.
@mimlato, actually I don't smoke cock but if I did I would still be proud of myself. Today I am on day 6 of a home detox. When I posted that comment I was angry with all the ignorant haters. Obviously being an addict I have a love hate relationship with opiates and wanted to get across the point of 'live and let live'.
I am a smoker too...And I have been able to build up my life and my carieer even with this little bad habit......But honestly right now I just feel a little bit stupid...cos I am not able to find out good gear in the whole London (albion rd, newington green, essex rd, hacney central....) nothing....just shit.......and I left my country cos there the situation was even worst..... Any suggestion people?
they should presribe it again it would sort things out and stop the crime that happens to get it from dealers and save billions from stopping the war on drugs that is not even working anyway
@poohsaze Absolutely right pal. At last someone else with a bloody brain and a good understanding of how it would benefit everyone on a massive scale if all drugs were legalised and controlled! The black market would die and put a small amount of tax on these drugs and you could build a whole new NHS and wipeout crime at street level! OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE!
What about overdoses - it is deadly if not given by a doctor.. This guy forgets that detoxification is extremely, terribly painful that's why it's hard to get off. He's wrong your whole life changes to get the drug is the only thing one your mind. Sugar doesn't kill you in a month. This is not true - addicts would be in the 20 millions. The Soldiers Disease would guarantee you addiction for your whole life after one try.
@skipsassy1 Not true, heroin has a large overdose safety factor. See the presentation on my channel. If there is one thing heroin IS NOT, thats deadly. It is also not "instantly addictive". Most people get extremely nauseous and are unlikely to want to use it again. You have no basis for saying there would be millions of "addicts". Just ridiculous.
@unholychunk ...............depends on the person and the compound of the drug, properties can be added to make it super addictive, believe me or not i dont give a shit
A war is a war you kill the dealers on the spot. That's it and give methadone to the addicts for free. That's it. If they want or need herion, give it to them in a clinic so they don't have to steal. Also the pushers can't make a profit if it can be gotten free.
@skipsassy1 Okay, kill the dealers, but only after you kill the employees and shareholders of tobacco and alcohol companies and anyone involved in retail of the most dangerous drugs on earth. Cant have any double standards with capital punishment can we? Methadone is no good for "addicts" it is far harder to give up. Heroin (morphine) is clean and easier to give up.
@happyharv1 And before I forget to mention this: addiction is not "caused" by the usage of drugs per se. It's actually the genetic make up of a person, that determines whether that person is prone to addiction or not. To make matters more complicated, even a person having these risk factors isn't necessarily going have an addiction triggered, even if s/he takes a drug with dopaminergic activity.
Using law enforcement against a medical condition is not only deeply immoral, but also useless.
@Scorpitarios: Hmmmm..I would have to seriously question that self serving piece of reasoning.Like as if we should want to test ourselves and learn if we can tolerate the heroin and learn if we become fully addicted or partially addicted.
Heroin is, as a matter of fact, one of, if not the most addicting drugs in the world and not a drug that you can go without. If your supply, for any reason, is cut off then you become very sick and miserable.
@Scorpitarios hey listen bro, if you seriously think that addiction is simply caused by someones genetic makeup, then i have to strongly disagree?! yes, a person chooses to do drugs and continue to do drugs, and that CAN be part of their "genetic makeup", but the physical addiction is cause by the bodys exposure to the drug, and its eventual dependance to it. what you said about law enforcement is DEFINITELY one of the smartest things anyone has ever said!! i wish THEY would wake the fuck up!!!!
obviously if you are medicaly given the drug in recomended doses, the problem wont be as bad as street use and abuse of the drug, the street class of these drugs are often containing other junk which cause problems when injected, if the drug is clean an used properly it really shouldent do you any harm, you will become addicted to any of these drugs, but if medicaly supplied you have greater chance of getting off them, its often missuse thats the issue, and bad onstreet batches
@puggster: You are not wrong. Most people realise that from the "Modern Heroin Experience" that many countries have found themselves reluctantly dragged into.
It is very hard to convince the citizens that have to fix the problems for other people that have created the problems in the first place and reluctantly have to accomodate drug users.
The drug users are citizens in other respects and you can be assured the drug users themselves are reluctant to accomodate other peoples problems also
@puggster You will get "physically dependent" but not necessarily addicted to it. The latter phenomenon is quite a complicated issue where genes play a major role.
This education should be made compulsory for teenagers and certainly for doctors, maybe then we would see less social stigma and more compassion and help. At the moment drug addicts are demonised and associated with horrible crimes and violence, abandonment of children,, neglect and generally branded dishonest which just is not fair as we are all individuals but prejudice behaviours and stereotypes are tolerated laving many defenceless in an existing nightmare.
@chrysalis72 The demonisation, stigmatization, social exclusion and persecution of a whole group within society is typical for totalitarianism. We had this pattern in the USSR, Nazi Germany and other totalitarian states. The western world is totally hypocritical because we love to talk about human rights while at the same time tread on these human rights in our own countries regarding drug users.
oh my God, this is harrowing for me to watch, and I experimented with drugs as a teenager but thank God I have never even been tempted by Heroin, but a lot of my generation fell to it around the 90,s in Ayr , Scotland. Thankfully the kids from of my generation see doing drugs as dirty however it has led to social exclusion to people who need compassion more than condemnation. Many people end up on prescription drugs and addicted to them just the same.
Heroin is the nastiest drug on the planet,it will suck all the life from you,your familes,friends, your kids and make you sell it for a bag.It may not kill you but will probaly kill your mom.
OK. We can assume you would not mind having a Big sign posted out front of your house that says:
Here Lives "littleniyah". She is a advocator and supporter of Heroin use and voted for the drug to be legalised and supplied by the government.
Take note: Any heroin addicts with any drug related problems can seek help from "littleniyah" at this residence. Free food and long term accomodations are provided.
Seeing as you are soooo generous and compassionate concerning the heroin users.
@happyharv1 Well that's a random thing to say! How could I help ppl? It isnt legal, hello? The best way I can help is by declaring it should be legal, and voting in any referendum. Which is what should be done. they should ask the public to vote, and allow 6 months campaigning by both sides first.
Also, it's 'advocate' not 'advocator'. And if u r getting personal, I am ending this, don't bother to reply any more.
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1xXxEMOBOYxXx4 1 day ago
Actually no, being addicted to methadone is a shitload better than being addicted to heroin, it is withdrawing that is alot worse.
raff32 2 days ago
@raff32
My wife lost two good jobs because of the methadone program. After 4 years of being a patient in good standing with her clinic they were uneilling to work with her in regards to her employment and still insisted that she miss a half day work, every week, to piss in a cup after 4 years without one dirty urine sample. She quit the program, went back to using pills and weaned herself off. 12 years clean, now.
The program is a Godsend for some and the worst kind of prison for others.
lesterclaypool1 2 days ago
Being addicted to methadone is so much worse then being addicted to heroin.
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gunna try heroin on monday
hansvancumalot 4 days ago
why is it that only usa can have drug problems you see in uk we treat addicts with methadone an heroin scripts also we have good clicnhs etc detox rehabs , but if im going to upset ppl cause of spelling mistakes as that makes me an easy target ffs get some balls
uk7roomdaddy 5 days ago
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lesterclaypool1 3 days ago
@uk7roomdaddy
The USA depends financially on drug prohibition. It would be a threat to public support for prohibition if a heroin trial was in place, because people would eventually realise heroin is a safe drug and created no problems in a legal context. Prohibition relies in large part on the lie that heroin is dangerous. Herion prescription would undermine this lie. The USA will not currently allow any threat to something as important to the disfunctional economy as drug prohibition.
dtastl 11 hours ago
lester dont know ere you get youre studies
uk7roomdaddy 5 days ago
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lesterclaypool1 3 days ago
@uk7roomdaddy
I'm using the World Health Organization website, a few different medical jounals that I read regularly (One from Canada, One from the US, one from the UK and one from The medical teaching facility at the University of Cairo), LEAP's website and newsletter and my experience as a retired rehabilitation worker who still pays attention to what's going on on the track.
What are you using as your information source, out of curiousity?
lesterclaypool1 2 days ago
Analgesic
In recent years, methadone has gained popularity among physicians for the treatment of other medical problems, such as an analgesic in chronic pain. Due to its activity at the NMDA receptor it may be more effective against neuropathic pain; for the same reason tolerance to the analgesic effects maybe lesser compared to other opioids
uk7roomdaddy 5 days ago
reason tolerance to the analgesic effects maybe lesser compared to other opioids. The increased usage comes as doctors search for an opioid drug that can be dosed less frequently than shorter-acting drugs like morphine or hydrocodone. Another factor in the increased usage is the low cost of methadone.[19][20][21]
uk7roomdaddy 5 days ago
cool good on you but please dont be so judgemental an my spelling annoys you that much then im sorry but thats silly i dont mind the truth but every one snot perfect i could have more brains or higher iq then you as they say dont atke my kindess as a weakness , why is it hard to find or share an experince with out arguing disagreeing is ok but here its war why???? why attack me for my spelling if youd nothing better to do
uk7roomdaddy 5 days ago
It has a good reason why the things are like that, and it will remain the same
sergeyn1 6 days ago
Wow,im from Brazil,here Heroin is VERY VERY rare.But we have Crack,i understand they're completely different drugs,but it causes many of the Heroin problems (Socialy,helthly speaking)
U myself am a drug addict in my own way...but i am medically treated,i think just aming it legal would go a long way against narcotrafic
guilhermejrmarin 1 week ago
@guilhermejrmarin what is there medically for crack addiction ive never heard of anything yet theres a new drug there trying , but @ 1 time in uk you could get dexerdrine for ampethamine abuse but the goverment has seen its error an now revoke that idea, but stil im intrested in knowing with medication your being perscribed
uk7roomdaddy 5 days ago
kind of funny how they claim to get rid of it
while they, the cia creates and distributes more illegal drugs than anyone else
legalize/decriminalize all drugs
rawmo 1 week ago
Isnt morphine alot weaker than heroin? Like oxycodone would be stronger than hydrocodone but hydrocodone would be stonger than codeine, oxycodone would be a bit weaker than heroin?
wks107tdv123 1 week ago
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Yes, heroin is basically super morphine. Heroin is processed to morphine by the liver but it takes much less of the initial product to get the same pain relief because the body processes the heroin at a much higher rate of bio availability than morphine.
lesterclaypool1 1 week ago
@wks107tdv123 Heroin is just a delivery system for morphine. The theory is that it crosses the blood brain barrier quickly, where it is converted into morphine. If you take heroin, maximum blood concentration of morphine is reached within ten minutes.
dtastl 1 week ago
@wks107tdv123 yes diamorphine is stronger then morphine it was made by germans an called heroin
uk7roomdaddy 5 days ago
lol ffs no way complaining about metahdone ffs at least your not rattling you moron get a grip ok your not getting the same buzz , then dont fucking take iit you ungrateful cunts , but to sell it on is dam right disgusting as you could kill some 1 , but morphine anit the same buzz as diamorphine or temgesic or tramadol now thats a bad side affects on me. now pethadine or demerol in usa is like speeding but drowsy @ same time but these guys on here are after cycclizine based pills as you trip out
uk7roomdaddy 1 week ago
last rant if your going to judge me or call me silly names then great your the moron not nothing the facts why dont some of you ask your parents what drugs theyve ussed drug abuse is widely done by most ppl in country in 80s it was coke all the toffs rich ppl were using it an was cool to use it , why call some 1 a smack head crack head when there using drugs thats right mugs but at least acrack head washes his coke an gets pure coke instead off all shit its cut with lmao who s the fool peace
uk7roomdaddy 1 week ago
if you abuse some thing it will aBUSE YOU BACK , like i saying in 90s till 2000 i was taking loads of mdma in tablet form its back again now but in powder form , but ppl are being ripped off with METHAMPHETAMINE yes they sell you meth a highly addictive stimuliant but not phyiscally but its facts though as program saying heroin on its own in pure is safe , also why should i be imprisoned or arressted for the drug i wish to use fact if there were no drugs they would be less police doctors customs
uk7roomdaddy 1 week ago
@uk7roomdaddy I've never seen any evidence that Meth is widely used as a substitue for MDMA. Piperizine has a similar set of affects.
VegassTrades 1 week ago
@VegassTrades
We see it a lot in North America, though designer drugs are replacing both meth and MDMA in pressed pills.
lesterclaypool1 6 days ago
@lesterclaypool1 That may be the case in the US, I've only researched UK
VegassTrades 6 days ago
@VegassTrades what i was sayiing or trying was ppl are being ripped off with methamphetamine instead off mdma as ppl wouldnt really know difference, unless you was ar egaular usesr of both
uk7roomdaddy 5 days ago
@VegassTrades [84][85] PMA is unique in its ability to quickly elevate body temperature and heart rate at relatively low doses, especially in comparison to MDMA. Hence, a user believing he is consuming two 120 mg pills of MDMA could actually be consuming a dose of PMA that is potentially lethal, serotonin syndrome can result.[86] Combining MAO inhibitors with certain legal prescription and over the counter medications can also lead to (potentially fatal) serotonin syndrome
uk7roomdaddy 5 days ago
@uk7roomdaddy depending on the purity of the pill. Not only does PMA cause the release of serotonin but it also acts as a monoamine oxidase inhibitor, MAOI. When combined with an MDMA or an MDMA-like substance,
uk7roomdaddy 5 days ago
@uk7roomdaddy what i was trying to put is this There have been a number of deaths attributed to para-Methoxyamphetamine (PMA), a potent and highly neurotoxic hallucinogenic amphetamine, being sold as ecstasy
uk7roomdaddy 5 days ago
@VegassTrades i will look up piperinze but its trade name has no suggestion to me try its illlegal name just a thought
uk7roomdaddy 5 days ago
@uk7roomdaddy Yeah, PMA's well documented to have been used as a substitute but I've not heard anything recently. Check out Piperazine, got the spelling wrong originally
VegassTrades 3 days ago
oh on the subject of drug use werent it normal for pepole to go out every weekend an party!!!!! yes it was exstacy whizz trips ketamine that was the 90s an late 80s the 70s was speed an trips with all night dacing to motown infact most music is done through the use of drugs , so im getting mixed messages smacks bad cokes okay bolloxs use an not abuse is the way? what im saying is this a coke head will call a crackhead dirty but there the same drug just 1 s smoked instead of snorted mostly 2faced
uk7roomdaddy 1 week ago
Maybe there is power in the word....NO!
No, I don't want to end up a shrivelled shell of myself...regardless of the 'high' in the junkie journey to oblivion!
No thanks.
blancogurrl 1 week ago
@blancogurrl well stop drinking then why alter you state of mind with adrug oh i know why cause its exceptable to abuse alcohol , what about solvent abuse glue gas etc , or legaal highs like meow meow which is now banned shake an vac they call it now it use a plant feeder yes for plants but it supposeed to get you high not tryd that but hey some folk will do owt every1 to there own i say
uk7roomdaddy 1 week ago
@uk7roomdaddy I do not drink government approved poison!
I am naturally high...on life! :)
blancogurrl 1 week ago
@blancogurrl cool good on you youve got sense peace
uk7roomdaddy 1 week ago
@uk7roomdaddy and right back at ya! :)
blancogurrl 1 week ago
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@blancogurrl
I sincerely hope that you never find yourself in a situation where your medical concerns dictate that you need to be treated with addictive medications. The majority of addicts attending methadone clinics in the last decade were doctor supported addicts.
lesterclaypool1 1 week ago
unholychunk admits to driving impaired, at least twice, in these comments but I'm the idiot? Oh, do I love irony.
lesterclaypool1 1 week ago
anyone who takes heroin has completely lost their mind
Zephyesa 1 week ago
@Zephyesa
Possibly. They could be using heroin to treat an undiagnosed mental concern or they could be taking it to treat a physical ailment. Some people don't have access to good medical care and medicate themselves with the tools that they have available.
lesterclaypool1 1 week ago
@lesterclaypool1 really, did u know most people like 99.99% of them take it cause ther addicted, or just 2 get high, to experiment, or 2 get away from mental pain inside?
Zephyesa 1 week ago
@Zephyesa
No, I didn't know that. I know a lot of factual statistics about the drug and it's usage but I've never heard that bullshit figure before, likely because you've made it up to support your unfounded comment.
lesterclaypool1 1 week ago
@lesterclaypool1 no I used to b on it myself, and most of if not all the people around me including ones who died were on ot 4 those reasons, so stick your facts and stats up your arse mate
Zephyesa 1 week ago
@Zephyesa
And your anecdotal evidence has about as much value as my anecdotal evidence..that of a cup of wet feathers.
Sad that you're too stupid to realize that my original comment spoke about some drug users, not all, making your "99.9%" seem even more of an idiotic, unfounded statement.
Shame about the likes of you, mate: It's your type that make addicts look, on the whole, ignorant and pedantic.
lesterclaypool1 1 week ago
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@lesterclaypool1 its got alot more value than anything u have, and I dont really give 2 fucks about your original statement, or your completely unimportant opinion on me, or whatever else u have to talk about, your some academic know it all dick, and u dont really know anything at all about what your talking about
Zephyesa 1 week ago
@Zephyesa
Look, bro, I'm sorry that you had a rough go on the horse. I'd rather no Afghan tribesman ever asked what that poppy was. I'm sorry that our society clings to racist and sexist laws and that these laws led to you suffering adverse effects from unregulated substances and the monetary ills, and likely crime, that the black market drove you to to afford the 400% product inflation but fabricating facts and figures doesn't make the drug bad, it makes you uninformed.
lesterclaypool1 1 week ago
@lesterclaypool1 heroin is bad ok, u can put as maych make up on it as u like 2 try and make it cool as lou reed stylem but its still going to smell bad, every serious addict has a rough ride on the horse and gets thrown off and trampled on, ur obviously some academic campus loving twat, with unrealistic romantic views on heroin usage
Zephyesa 1 week ago
@Zephyesa
Heroin isn't bad, it is the most effective opiate painkiller known to man necessitating less of the drug to get the same pain relief as higher doses of morphine, dilaudid, oxycodone etc.
Prohibition is the problem. The black market that it creates leads to dirty product being distributed by dirty people for whom the only thing important is the bottom line.
lesterclaypool1 1 week ago
@lesterclaypool1 your rong there ketamine is best pain killer but thats a anathesic drug used in operations but used in major accidents due to the fact that it doesnt alter youre breathing well cns depressant like morhpine or diamorphine , ive tried most pain killers in bnf an metahdone is also a better pain killer then morphine or diamorphine in my opinon as its not as sedating or sickley an pain relif as morphine or heroin only lasts 4to 6 hrs but pool i agree with you on this
uk7roomdaddy 1 week ago
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@uk7roomdaddy
In terms of weighing the pros and cons of side effects to overall effectiveness heroin offers the best pain relief with the least amount of side effects. Ketamine, as you said, is too hypnotic and sedating to function on and methadone, like most opiods brings with it the joys of out of control weight gain, and has, not worth much, anecdotal evidence of tooth loss and bone leaching.
lesterclaypool1 1 week ago
@lesterclaypool1 bone leaching lmao your now satying metahdone gets in to bones tahts a junkies MYTH PLEASE if your going to state facts state facts tooth lose is down to bad hygenine mate ffs please propaganda again but youre also correct heroin is 1 of the best pain killers but its short acting thats why i said metahdone as its not as sickely as morphine or sedating your saying this with trying either of these drugs for pain relif or to get of your head so how would yoyu know
uk7roomdaddy 5 days ago
@uk7roomdaddy
Read my comment again, I didn't say that at all. I said that it "has, not worth much, anecdotal evidence of tooth loss and bone leaching." Of course it's not true but if those taking it believe this junkie myth the worry about it can psychologically effect how they respond to the drug. If the power of suggestion can make a sugar pill placebo work it can be equally damaging to the effectiveness of another drug.
lesterclaypool1 5 days ago
@lesterclaypool1 placebos ehhhhhhhh some 1 s got to try them
uk7roomdaddy 4 days ago
@uk7roomdaddy howould i know ? how do you think i know ?please, by the way mdm and mda, are not like meth to me at all try to sleep after meth good luck on the other hand you can sleep after a dose of mda / mdma if it is real and not screwed up with other things like meth thats one way to tell right away if you have taken mdma or some thing that is called E as well E also is being mixed with things like that new drug from china [dragonfly]and people are dying because of it look it up
lesterclaypool1 3 days ago
@lesterclaypool1 cheers for reply i will look it up thanks
uk7roomdaddy 3 days ago
@Zephyesa
Part 2
And I'm the furthest thing from an academic. I play guitar for a living. My job puts me in situations where I see people get eaten alive by paying 400% more than the product is worth to satisfy the black market demands. I've also seen people die from the illegal status of the product making it impossible to know whether what you are getting is clean or even your regular dose.
The prohibition on drugs, and the social ills and violence that it creates, is bad.
lesterclaypool1 1 week ago
@lesterclaypool1 you know what well said it s the goverment and criminals that are making money , why should i be a criminal for the choice of pain killers i tyake, or what about benzodiazapines, then your talking about seroiuss drug abuse , like ive said im also addiccted to diazepam from amotor bike accident , but i still say ill rather take drugs then alcohol who really cares if you tried lsd god try mexican mushrooms then you know tripping peace not all addicts are bad ok
uk7roomdaddy 1 week ago
@Zephyesa your a moron youve most probly taken codeine or dihydrocodeine as its avilable in most over the counter pain killers there an opaite fool mild but still an opaite why do moron hang themsleves ffs i will start drinking might as well get the ful benifit of being out me tree but only problem alcohol is a cns depressant
uk7roomdaddy 1 week ago
@Zephyesa wtf areyou chatting if you drink alcohol im my opoinon your carzy but hey tahts just my humble opinon , bold staement with nothing to back it up with as usaual , a do gooder who then goes an abuses acohol
uk7roomdaddy 5 days ago
?@uk7roomdaddy I dont drink alcohol, I havent had any at all since 15/4/ 2007, I havent had any drugs of any kind since the same date, and I gave up smoking 15/3/ 2002
Zephyesa 5 days ago
This is ridicules, there is a HUGE difference between prescribed opiates for cancer etc and buying street heroin cut with go knows what, and using dirty needles!
countsmyth 1 week ago
@countsmyth I believe that is the point. Basically this is trying to advocate legalisation to stop the stupid black market. Who in their right mind would buy god knows what on the corner when you could go to a store and buy clean product that has had regulations slapped on it to prevent impurities.
Totaltwist 1 week ago
@Totaltwist
Yes it is strange, this would also be a good source of revenue for the government!
countsmyth 1 week ago
I meant to say one of the most. Alcohol is clearly the worst. Tobacco is up there too. Not trying too argue but have lost close friends from heroin use alone. Have had my own issues and assume people that responded are users. Now that im out of the haze I see how evil it is. Sorry if I can offended anyone but I can't justify saying this drug is safe. Godspeed to the users but I've seen it turn great people to monsters and take people before their time. God bless.
headkrakva 1 week ago
@headkrakva
It turns people into monsters because they have to do horrible things to obtain a product that the black market has inflated 400% from the production cost.
And the friends that I've lost I haven't lost from H, I've lost them from H not being regulated leading to shit cuts poisoning them or a very pure dose being presented as their regular dose.
Legalization would cure the social ills associated with drug use.
lesterclaypool1 1 week ago
im an ex adict. i was lucky. no nasty infections. gear is very bad .listen to me if you are thinking about it try to forget it, because if you dont its on you for life. like it or not. ive been clean for 12 years but its a constent daily battle. DONT DO IT PLEASE!!!!
MrDante1945 1 week ago
marijuana is obviously better than methadon .
TheMrMohaoual 1 week ago
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dont try this stuff its the devil dont be the slave to any drug be in control
TheAssyrianKing1 1 week ago
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dont try this stuff its the devil dont be the slave to any drug be in control
TheAssyrianKing1 1 week ago
dont try this stuff its the devil dont be the slave to any drug be in control
TheAssyrianKing1 1 week ago
To say that opiates are safe is wildly irresponsible . Why are opiates the most deadly drugs on the planet? More die from them then anything aside from cigarettes. This documentary must be funded by big pharma.
headkrakva 2 weeks ago
@headkrakva No, its the truth. Opiates are safe apart from constipation. It is patently absurd to say that they are "deadly". "Overdose" (taking only opiates) is a myth used to demonise them. Heroin is just morphine. You might like to slot alcohol in beside tobacco in regards deaths. But that might be your drug?
dtastl 1 week ago
@headkrakva actually alochol has killed more than all the drugs and cigerettes put together
lesterclaypool1 1 week ago in playlist who
@lesterclaypool1 Yes, because it's legal...
kotapaka 1 week ago
@kotapaka
No, because it impairs you more than any street drug or pharma and because it rots your body and brain. It's a lethal intoxicant. Heroin doesn't shut down your liver like alcohol or even acetaminophen/ paracetamol.
lesterclaypool1 1 week ago
@lesterclaypool1 just to let you know that alcohol does not impair you the most. someone driving home drunk stands a better chance of getting home safer then someone on lsd for example.
unholychunk 1 week ago
@unholychunk
Really. Bring your sources because that is unfounded bs.
lesterclaypool1 1 week ago
@lesterclaypool1 seeing as i have been drunk and have taken lsd i can say 100% driving drunk is safer than driving 2 hours in to a lsd trip. also do you have any experience in anything you are talking about or are you just regurgitating "facts" you have just googled?
unholychunk 1 week ago
@unholychunk
Anecdotal evidence, huh? See my comment to Zephyesa about the value of anecdotal evidence. That comment also answers your question; my plethora of experience with mind and body altering substances is irrelevant. I've seen my wife function perfectly fine after an anesthetic that would immobilize others for 48 hours
The biology and chemistry of the substance is the only hard and fast truth about it, not what your uncle's dog's former owner's gay lover says about it.
lesterclaypool1 1 week ago
@lesterclaypool1 it is ok you got confused by my comment i expected it. first please copy and paste where i said i drove drunk since i never have. i just have been drunk and have taken lsd so i know the differences and the level of impairment on both. again sorry you were confused. once again you fail
unholychunk 1 week ago
@unholychunk
I apologize. On reading your poorly constructed comment again I see that you don't imply that you've driven on these substances, making your anecdotal evidence even more fucking useless.
lesterclaypool1 1 week ago
@lesterclaypool1 aha *clapping* congrats. ok so i am now going to leave you to debate with a random on a youtube video comment box. have fun with that. i know i got under your skin seeing as we apparently talked before on youtube yet you still have not reminded me when or what over. so have fun and again if you are over the age of 20. please kill yourself because you are to far gone. bye
unholychunk 1 week ago
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@unholychunk
It was a Mike Tyson video where you tried to teach me grammar with your sadly lacking grammatical abilities. You looked stupid and uninformed in those comments, too.
lesterclaypool1 1 week ago
@lesterclaypool1 OMG LMFAO i sort of kinda remember you. you are the guy who uses an excess, unnecessary amount of punctuation to try and come off as smart but fail and come out looking like a pseudo-intellectual. i really got under your skin did i not? lol how old are you?
unholychunk 1 week ago
@unholychunk
No, you had no effect on me other than being one of the few people that I've conversed with on here in the last week because I don't live online like you do.
lesterclaypool1 6 days ago
@lesterclaypool1 lol i think tracking me on youtube shows i had a little effect on you. you claim i live online but unless you were sitting at your comp constantly refreshing my history in order to see what i am doing. all i can see is your comments being debated with because you are a pseudo-intellectual re spiting statistics or "facts" you take as real because you are a moron. noticed you would not say how old you are lmfao
unholychunk 3 days ago
@unholychunk
I had been talking to someone on this video for a week before I responded to you and the date the comments were posted prove this.
I'm tempted to post the link to the Tyson video to show people how irony is wasted on children and idiots and the fool that you made of yourself in those comments because of this age old truth, but I feel bad enough for you, already, for how stupid you look in these ones.
I'm ashamed to claim someone as stupid as you as my countryman, deeply ashamed.
lesterclaypool1 2 days ago
@lesterclaypool1 lol i knew i got under your skin. sure post any link you want if it'll make you feel better. still avoiding saying how old you are eh. as i said before. if you are over the age of 20...wow, kill yourself
unholychunk 1 day ago
@unholychunk why do you avoid my questions please im not afetr an arguement but lesterclaypool 1 has given me some thing to think about also talk about i put caffine on the list to begin with but youve said fuck all to me why ??? also askd you other things you are on here alot we all are but werte getting away from the topic in question DRUG ABUSE now unholly im going to back track an spend day answering reanswering your statements just out of curoisty sorry for my spelling
uk7roomdaddy 2 days ago
@uk7roomdaddy ok. you just got to remind me what your questions were and ill answer them best of my abilities and not just google statistics without researching them then reporting back here as facts like a lot of people tend to do
unholychunk 1 day ago
@lesterclaypool1 wait sorry. here so you can understand my comment. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, place as you please.
unholychunk 1 week ago
@unholychunk
That was actually funny.
lesterclaypool1 6 days ago
@lesterclaypool1 Alcohol doesn't shut down your liver. Sure damage may happen over decades of drinking. Heroin? It does far more damage. It changes the chemistry of the brain - it changes you irreversibly very quickly. Heroin is lethal. Yes, pure medical heroin will can kill you. Alcohol can kill you too but you see with alcohol there is a safety - you will most likely pass out before you can drink enough to die. Only idiots who drink several bottles at once are in danger.
kotapaka 1 week ago
@kotapaka
Heroin ups the dopamine that the brain expects to feel good, it doesn't change the brain 'irreversibly". After initial acute withdrawal natural dopamine reception goes back up by 50 percent, the remaining reception can take a couple of years without use to come back but it does come.
Heroin has a lower thresh hold for vomiting and passing out, non fatally, than alcohol. Alcohol abuse over time will shut liver and kidneys down, heroin will not.
lesterclaypool1 1 week ago
@kotapaka umm lesterclaypool1 is an idiot yes, but alcohol does shut down your liver. i have had an uncle die from liver failure after many years of hard drinking
unholychunk 1 week ago
@unholychunk Yes of course I didn't say it doesn't. Alcohol causes liver failure andcirrhosis but it usually happens after many years of heavy drinking if it happens at all. But yes, alcohol as a drug is not that great either but heroin is worse. Also alcohol has some beneficial effects whereas I don't see many beneficial effects of heroin.
kotapaka 1 week ago
@kotapaka
How is heroin worse than alcohol? Side effects of clinical grade heroin? Constipation and dependance. Side effects of alcohol? Slowed reaction time, stress on the renal, cardiovascular, cardiopulmonary and neurological systems, death of brain cells, corrosion of the digestive system and organs, impaired coordination, lowered inhibitions, inability to judge spatial and personal placement etc.
Why don't you learn about both substances before you comment in ignorance?
lesterclaypool1 1 week ago
@kotapaka
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Now, list your "beneficial effects" of alcohol? A glass of wine can lower bad cholesterol? So can dark green veg, certain shellfish and a diet that contains healthy fats as opposed to trans and man made ones.
Heroin and other opiates have contributed to quality of life in people with diseases that cause chronic pain. The only thing that adversely effects the benefits of heroin is it's prohibitive status that creates a dangerous black market.
lesterclaypool1 1 week ago
@lesterclaypool1 We are talking about chronic, regular use. I've read about the two drugs - I think it's time you read about them a bit more besides the short description in wikipedia.
Alcohol is enjoyed by a lot of people for it's taste AND for its effects as a drug. You can't taste heroin as it's mostly injected. Heroin also affects the brain and the nervous system. It only shows ignorance to think it doesn't.
kotapaka 1 week ago
@lesterclaypool1 As a matter of fact heroin affects receptors in pretty much the whole body but mainly brain, spinal cord and gut. That's why withdrawal is so nasty. Tolerance builds up quickly because heroin induces physiological changes in the body. I hope you're not a heroin user because you seem very ignorant. You argue as though alcohol and heroin are on the opposite sides of the scale when in fact they are both depressants and have common features.
kotapaka 1 week ago
@kotapaka
Is your reading comprehension that bad? I listed those complications in my comment: Constipation and dependence are the common side effects.
They are also the only side effects directly related to the drug, the other crippling downsides of the drug are created by prohibition.
lesterclaypool1 1 week ago
@kotapaka
Part 2
Alcohol is an acquired taste the same as the enjoyment from heroin is acquired.. A first time H user is as likely to puke and pass out as the first time drinker. The drugs differ WHEN it comes to long term usage. The withdrawals from long term alcohol use are dangerous and even lethal, unlike heroin withdrawal.
Booze is legal because it's users got violent when it was prohibited. Drugs that don't create this irrational reaction in their users remain scheduled.
lesterclaypool1 1 week ago
@lesterclaypool1 You're obviously a smackhead trying to convince himself that heroin is OK. You've read bits and pieces of the wikipedia article on heroin but only bits and pieces - not the full article or any further literature. The adverse effects are constipation and dependence. The pharmacological effects are changes in the whole body and body chemistry and functions incl. the brain and nervous system. Go shoot heroin then if you think it's so safe and good. Idiot...
kotapaka 1 week ago
@kotapaka look you prat drugs used safely are ok. fact its when its cut with other drugs an chemicals , yes im a user of many substances , but i came by the way of heroin by getting hooked on pain killers then a doctor refused to traet me , so i used smack i had no choice. you see so why tar every1 witrh same brush i bet you drink alcohol why its a horrid buzz? well for me it is , pepole get violent abusive etc so end of thats there choice i dont drink i want it banned ill rather
uk7roomdaddy 1 week ago
@kotapaka
Have you left and taken your ignorance and unwarranted abuse and name calling with you? Good. We don't need reactionary and poor mannered isiots like you areund when we a trying to educate people about harm reduction in drug use.
lesterclaypool1 2 days ago
@lesterclaypool1 Yeah, heroin withdrawal is not lethal...Addicts get hemorrages (that's right google that word) in the brain which is one of the many ways they die. That's why withdrawal has to be controlled. Of course heroin can kill you by overdose which is very easy to achieve. Anyway, I rest my case. Arguing with a retard ain't easy but arguing with a guitar player is even worse as they usually have even less brain power.
kotapaka 1 week ago
@kotapaka use diamorhpine then alcohol why i dont get aggressive or abusive etc , but thte fact remains in pure form is safe you moron im walking proof it works but i wouldnt have used heroin if the doctor well new doctor would off perscribed me my medication so i was a junkie on pain killers any DRUG WILL KILL YOU IF USED INCORRECTLY MORONS , HAVE YOU 2 TRIED DRUGS EXCEPT ALCOHOL, like your feed back, wow some hostilaty here on utube ffs we are trying to educate not argue morons peace
uk7roomdaddy 1 week ago
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@kotapaka
Addicts in withdrawal get muscle spasms that can effect existing aneurisms causing hemorrhage (It's a lot easier to Google the word when you spell it correctly, dumb fuck.). These same muscle spasms can cause miscarriage in pregnant women. This isn't an effect of the drug, itself, or withdrawal, rather.these are existing conditions aggravated by the withdrawal.
You need to work on your reading comprehension, it'll save you looking stupid.
lesterclaypool1 1 week ago
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@kotapaka
Part 2
As to your ad hominem attack, because killing the messenger helps your debate, as opposed to making you look stupid: I worked in addiction rehabilitation for 11 years. I got tired of feeding addicts a more addictive substance with more negative side effects, methadone, as part of a government ruse to be their drug dealer to get their money.
I am now affiliated with LEAP (You can Google that) in hopes of ending the violence and crime associated with prohibition.
lesterclaypool1 1 week ago
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@kotapaka Alcohol doesn't shut down your liver. Sure damage may happen over decades of drinking. you actually did hence why i said that
unholychunk 1 week ago
@headkrakva Opiates are NOT NOT the deadliest drug on the planet, How are you so ill informed. Alcohol kills millions more
candycara311067 1 week ago
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@headkrakva
Opiates aren't the most deadly drug on the planet, alcohol is, followed by tobacco.
They must still be going hard with the "Just Say No" and don't question indoctrination?
lesterclaypool1 1 week ago
Prohibition is much more lucrative all around. It's unfortunate.
headkrakva 2 weeks ago
@lillypris1985 Thank you for your kind words. Still all good. Hope you are fine n dandy,graham :)*
makeway4thebigfish 2 weeks ago
By comparison, what freedom to not have some substance's hooks in you.
I had no idea people can lose parts of themselves through gangrene for christ's sake. Yes make heroin available in a treatment setting.
There are certain things I had the instinct to never even experiment with, and heroin is one of them.
IronicalSmirk 2 weeks ago
Because lets face it. Govt really cares about our welfare. Tony has a cushy little number now. His reward for furthering a shitty war agenda that the majority of his party and British citizens didnt want. What they presented as evidence to justify that war was nothing short of shocking. Being brutally honest it was willfully dishonest.....at best, and at worst, a downright fraud. In that respect mr blair is and always will be a criminal. Or if you want to blame Bush, then a criminals lackey.
outofslumber 2 weeks ago
At the highest levels of govt, the levels that go above the heads of Prime Ministers and Presidents, would anyone really be surprised if the truth was that the biggest smugglers of drugs had major influence and power over the govt. I wouldn't, but like all things outside of peoples comfort zone youre labelled conspiracy cook. Politicians know fine well they have no business telling you what you can and cannot put into your body. They pander to the masses, especially when it serves an agenda.
outofslumber 2 weeks ago
@Mistahjey, agreed! Roll another fat one brother :)~
@venegoni81, look into growing/making your own. Time for a nice cup of tea. PEACE out.
makeway4thebigfish 2 weeks ago
@mimlato, actually I don't smoke cock but if I did I would still be proud of myself. Today I am on day 6 of a home detox. When I posted that comment I was angry with all the ignorant haters. Obviously being an addict I have a love hate relationship with opiates and wanted to get across the point of 'live and let live'.
makeway4thebigfish 2 weeks ago
@makeway4thebigfish loads of strength for you from me!! the second it comes up, kick it out of your mind immediately! all the best!!!
lillypris1985 2 weeks ago
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I am a smoker too...And I have been able to build up my life and my carieer even with this little bad habit......But honestly right now I just feel a little bit stupid...cos I am not able to find out good gear in the whole London (albion rd, newington green, essex rd, hacney central....) nothing....just shit.......and I left my country cos there the situation was even worst..... Any suggestion people?
venegoni81 2 weeks ago
I love heroin :) been smoking it 25years have a job house and am an excellent father. Fuck all you haters .
makeway4thebigfish 3 weeks ago
@makeway4thebigfish I believe moderation is key. Just like alcohol and any drugs. If you abuse you loose yourself in it.
Mistahjey 2 weeks ago
@Mistahjey Yeah mate. Tell that to all the smackheads who thought exactly the same thing on their first hit. Mong.
mimlato 2 weeks ago
@makeway4thebigfish No, its pronounced C-O-C-K. You smoke cock.
mimlato 2 weeks ago
this is the stupidest idea on the planet
hey everyone lets all take heroin lol no worries its pure
Masychefx2 3 weeks ago in playlist Liked videos
they should presribe it again it would sort things out and stop the crime that happens to get it from dealers and save billions from stopping the war on drugs that is not even working anyway
poohsaze 3 weeks ago
@poohsaze Absolutely right pal. At last someone else with a bloody brain and a good understanding of how it would benefit everyone on a massive scale if all drugs were legalised and controlled! The black market would die and put a small amount of tax on these drugs and you could build a whole new NHS and wipeout crime at street level! OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE!
TIGERWOODSBOYFRIEND 3 weeks ago
is arguing on the internet really going to do anything???
kingsfall999 4 weeks ago
What about overdoses - it is deadly if not given by a doctor.. This guy forgets that detoxification is extremely, terribly painful that's why it's hard to get off. He's wrong your whole life changes to get the drug is the only thing one your mind. Sugar doesn't kill you in a month. This is not true - addicts would be in the 20 millions. The Soldiers Disease would guarantee you addiction for your whole life after one try.
skipsassy1 1 month ago
@skipsassy1 Not true, heroin has a large overdose safety factor. See the presentation on my channel. If there is one thing heroin IS NOT, thats deadly. It is also not "instantly addictive". Most people get extremely nauseous and are unlikely to want to use it again. You have no basis for saying there would be millions of "addicts". Just ridiculous.
dtastl 1 month ago
@skipsassy1 oh and no drug is addictive after one try douche
unholychunk 1 month ago
@unholychunk ...............depends on the person and the compound of the drug, properties can be added to make it super addictive, believe me or not i dont give a shit
syneatnrc 4 weeks ago
@unholychunk
Are you trolling these videos because you're lonely? Is that what it is?
lesterclaypool1 1 week ago
@lesterclaypool1 don't remember who you are or what comment you are referring to. refresh my memory.
unholychunk 1 week ago
A war is a war you kill the dealers on the spot. That's it and give methadone to the addicts for free. That's it. If they want or need herion, give it to them in a clinic so they don't have to steal. Also the pushers can't make a profit if it can be gotten free.
skipsassy1 1 month ago
@skipsassy1 Okay, kill the dealers, but only after you kill the employees and shareholders of tobacco and alcohol companies and anyone involved in retail of the most dangerous drugs on earth. Cant have any double standards with capital punishment can we? Methadone is no good for "addicts" it is far harder to give up. Heroin (morphine) is clean and easier to give up.
dtastl 1 month ago
@skipsassy1 kill dealers on the spot? fuuuuck that. where would i buy my drugs?
unholychunk 1 month ago
Alcohol is No. 1 problem in U.K. !!!!!
65NIXON 1 month ago
@65NIXON
hahahaha... and not only most used; also most legal!
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65NIXON 1 month ago
alcohol also f..k me up!
thedayiscoming1 1 month ago
@happyharv1 And before I forget to mention this: addiction is not "caused" by the usage of drugs per se. It's actually the genetic make up of a person, that determines whether that person is prone to addiction or not. To make matters more complicated, even a person having these risk factors isn't necessarily going have an addiction triggered, even if s/he takes a drug with dopaminergic activity.
Using law enforcement against a medical condition is not only deeply immoral, but also useless.
Scorpitarios 1 month ago
@Scorpitarios: Hmmmm..I would have to seriously question that self serving piece of reasoning.Like as if we should want to test ourselves and learn if we can tolerate the heroin and learn if we become fully addicted or partially addicted.
Heroin is, as a matter of fact, one of, if not the most addicting drugs in the world and not a drug that you can go without. If your supply, for any reason, is cut off then you become very sick and miserable.
Do not advocate the use if it any which way.
happyharv1 1 month ago
@Scorpitarios hey listen bro, if you seriously think that addiction is simply caused by someones genetic makeup, then i have to strongly disagree?! yes, a person chooses to do drugs and continue to do drugs, and that CAN be part of their "genetic makeup", but the physical addiction is cause by the bodys exposure to the drug, and its eventual dependance to it. what you said about law enforcement is DEFINITELY one of the smartest things anyone has ever said!! i wish THEY would wake the fuck up!!!!
TheIceman515069 1 month ago
My wish is that Ron Paul gets elected for President and ends the stupid fucking drug war and the UK follow this.
PurePessimism 1 month ago
obviously if you are medicaly given the drug in recomended doses, the problem wont be as bad as street use and abuse of the drug, the street class of these drugs are often containing other junk which cause problems when injected, if the drug is clean an used properly it really shouldent do you any harm, you will become addicted to any of these drugs, but if medicaly supplied you have greater chance of getting off them, its often missuse thats the issue, and bad onstreet batches
puggster 1 month ago
@puggster: You are not wrong. Most people realise that from the "Modern Heroin Experience" that many countries have found themselves reluctantly dragged into.
It is very hard to convince the citizens that have to fix the problems for other people that have created the problems in the first place and reluctantly have to accomodate drug users.
The drug users are citizens in other respects and you can be assured the drug users themselves are reluctant to accomodate other peoples problems also
happyharv1 1 month ago
@puggster You will get "physically dependent" but not necessarily addicted to it. The latter phenomenon is quite a complicated issue where genes play a major role.
Scorpitarios 1 month ago
This education should be made compulsory for teenagers and certainly for doctors, maybe then we would see less social stigma and more compassion and help. At the moment drug addicts are demonised and associated with horrible crimes and violence, abandonment of children,, neglect and generally branded dishonest which just is not fair as we are all individuals but prejudice behaviours and stereotypes are tolerated laving many defenceless in an existing nightmare.
chrysalis72 1 month ago
@chrysalis72 The demonisation, stigmatization, social exclusion and persecution of a whole group within society is typical for totalitarianism. We had this pattern in the USSR, Nazi Germany and other totalitarian states. The western world is totally hypocritical because we love to talk about human rights while at the same time tread on these human rights in our own countries regarding drug users.
Scorpitarios 1 month ago
oh my God, this is harrowing for me to watch, and I experimented with drugs as a teenager but thank God I have never even been tempted by Heroin, but a lot of my generation fell to it around the 90,s in Ayr , Scotland. Thankfully the kids from of my generation see doing drugs as dirty however it has led to social exclusion to people who need compassion more than condemnation. Many people end up on prescription drugs and addicted to them just the same.
chrysalis72 1 month ago
There are some recreational drugs that are worse, such a crystal meth. That stuff justs eats you up an spits you out.
happyharv1 1 month ago
Heroin is the nastiest drug on the planet,it will suck all the life from you,your familes,friends, your kids and make you sell it for a bag.It may not kill you but will probaly kill your mom.
Ad0akes 1 month ago
Bravo...Bravo...Finally some truth!
mrmynx 1 month ago
OK. We can assume you would not mind having a Big sign posted out front of your house that says:
Here Lives "littleniyah". She is a advocator and supporter of Heroin use and voted for the drug to be legalised and supplied by the government.
Take note: Any heroin addicts with any drug related problems can seek help from "littleniyah" at this residence. Free food and long term accomodations are provided.
Seeing as you are soooo generous and compassionate concerning the heroin users.
happyharv1 1 month ago
@happyharv1 Well that's a random thing to say! How could I help ppl? It isnt legal, hello? The best way I can help is by declaring it should be legal, and voting in any referendum. Which is what should be done. they should ask the public to vote, and allow 6 months campaigning by both sides first.
Also, it's 'advocate' not 'advocator'. And if u r getting personal, I am ending this, don't bother to reply any more.
littleniyah 1 month ago