Communism is for SCHNOOBS but I guess it's their right to be schnoobs. If they want to live in communes then so be it. Crazy wackos are best away from free society.
This commune uses coertion too. THEY THREAT to toss you out if you don't work.
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I don't know about you but I don't want anybody over my shoulder yeling: Dig faster or else I will throw you out from MY paradise. Ops. I ment ours paradise :D :D:D :D:D :DD :D
In a communist state, they wouldn't be allowed to live that way. Somebody has to own/pay taxes on that land and invite others to participate. It is in effect a free enterprise. They work full time to generate income to support their way of life. There's a difference between a "commune" and Communism. Communism is imposed by the state on EVERYBODY, by force, no freedom of expression. Here, anyone with land, money, ingenuity, and a few friends can have a go at it. Getting there's the hard part.
Fuck Americans for being idiots. Shame on you pricks allowing their crooked media & american government crimes, slandering & treasons with lying intent on the public. Welcome to Communist America, sheep bitches!
I laugh at how trigger happy americans get when it comes to ideas that challenge the norm, or how most get all obsessed with freedom and liberty when most have no fucking clue what that actually means.
Well, a Libertarian country allows for everyone to arrange themselves as they see fit - including setting up communist communes. But what do Libertarians do in a Communist state?
I have no problem with these good people as long as they don't try to use government force, or any other type of force, to get me into that lifestyle.
@oelergodt Why cant these people be libertarians? Do they have any less freedom than you do in living that lifestyle ? I think not, aside from a communal sense of obligation to put in a certain number of hours of work each week ... which is what most people in mainstream society do anyway, and to the advantage of the owners, not the community itself.
Well, if you do some research into the commune you'll know how they identify. Also if you just took a peek at the title or watch the clip again to hear the Twin Oaks resident describe their commune as the last Communist place on earth along with Cuba.
I have no problem with that as long as it's VOLUNTARY. They are and should be allowed to arrange their lives as they please in a free society.
That's what I've been saying the whole time. It's when they start spreading their way of life with force that I have a problem with it. I don't know what's so hard to understand.
My point is just that a free capitalist society, nobody tells you how to live.. and you can even join a communist commune if you wanna. In a communist state, however, there's hardly much love for the libertarian-minded people.
@oelergodt There were no "communist" countries. These countries were socialist..Their promise of communism was just letter on a paper..Communism means there is no state or government, no money, no classes, no national identities, religions, cults, no national borders, no trade, only communes with it's own territories. I have read the whole communist manifesto. Let's say, for example that Chicago would be a large commune in communism. Everything would be own by the citizens of that commune.
@Nenadnash Yes the end goal of theoretical communism was the stateless classless society that would supposedly come naturally after a period of the proletarian dictatorship. This never happens, though. Marx wasn't the only guy to define communism. Rather, I'd argue that the real, practical examples we have are more important in the definition of communism than some idealized utopia of a political theorist.
However.. none of that matters. Like I stated I have nothing against voluntary communism.
@Nenadnash stupid communists use that excuse to justify to themselfs the failure of what they believed in,every communist country failed,they failed because of ineficient economy,multiculturalism in USSR and Yugoslavia,opression.Communist is incompatible with human nature,first they promote people to do nothing instead of competing,they fail to recognize that ethnicity matters to people,fail to recognize man always search for power and so any search to unify world is useless,it will divide.
@Mr1helluvabutlr what makes you think people in a capalist system don't pull their own weight and classless is an unrealistc..some people are better/smarter than others and that will create division
@ubermisogynist First you should know that its not about the expropriation of personal property, but about the expropriation of private means of production. So only a minor, rich part would be directly affected by this. And if they get in the way they don't have to be murdered. Today law enforcement doenst murder people instantly too, does it?
@ubermisogynist In Poland communists take all private property by force. They take away land of my uncle who was the richest peasant in the village. They call him enemy of the people, NKVD come to his house when he was on the field. Friend say him about it and he must escape to the local woods. He was a partisan later - check "Cursed soldiers" on wikipedia. This is communism in practice.
Governing economics isn't enough. We'll never have an equal and fair society when people are born with more rights than others. We should all have the equal footing in life that every person deserves.
This is a clear example of the VERY FEW ways communism can possibly work. But nationwide it fails. In a community like that it's not hard to keep track of the people there. But it is cult like. .
communism never existed anywhere since the monetary system is applied everywhere. communism is classless, moneyless, stateless. it will be social system of the future, but the current society is not ready quite yet.
Why do Americans consistently think Communism is an economic system? Capitalism is an economic system and Socialism is an economic system. Communism is a GOVERNMENT SYSTEM. My gosh, these people are dumb.
@HolyGK There is nothing wrong with dictatorship. In fact, it s a great, stable and working form of government. Far more stable and efficient than democracy.
@rimlanin haha what a joke... Peaceful dictatorship can only work on small communities like twin oaks. I guess you never lived in dictatorships, go in north korea and tell me if this is what you want... Communism block the country, and stop it from reaching global market, the only way to compensiate that lose will be the hard industrial and peasant work. And in case weather incident = Famine. No international help and this is what happened many time in ussr china N korea. CAPITALIST FOR LIFE
@HolyGK Dictatorship is the only proper form of government. Maybe North Korea IS what I want. I don't like elections. I don't like democracy. It is just power struggles.The global market is a bad thing. We work ourselves to get what we need. Capitalism is greed.
@rimlanin If you lived in a non communism dictatorship , you wouldn't be able to express you communiist opinion, if so you might get killed. If that is what you want then good luck for your life. People like you don't understand the beauty of human nature. In a liberalism life, you are able to have sex, listen what you want, express your opinion, be a human. In a communist way of life, you can't, you are robotiwed, you got no more basic human feelings. Communism and dicataorships will die.
@HolyGK I perfectly know what happens to Communists in Right-wing dictatorships. Also, people shouldn't be allowed to express any ideology they see fit or wear what they want. People would follow the only Ideology which serves the people - Communism. All other ideologies server different minorities, but not your average joe. There should also be a strict moral code, on what you can wear and what you can say. I am tired of the "new generation" eating only KFC, wearing jeans, fucking and swearing.
@rimlanin What is democracy ?? In the US it is the free choice between going to MacDonald or KFC.. Nothing ells,the American way only see fit to protect the very rich and f.ck the rest...
Notice that they do have a sanction for those who don't work--kick them out. I recently attended a seminar on socialism where the former Soviet economist now college professor in the US said, "Socialism always tends toward forced labor camps and then downright murder." People have to be motivated to work. In free societies it's a combination of the motivation of self-advancement and the fear of having nothing. Socialistic systems shift the weight of motivation to fear of prison or death.
@Abbadon380 socialism not work anywhere on the world. It`s utopia. I lived in socialism. I stayed in long queue for 200 grams of meet and toilet paper 40 years after WWII. You don`t realize what really socialism means in state categories...
@licicaviki i dont mean that kind of socialism the private sector must be regulated by the goverment and they shouldnt be allowed to go into every industry second the people need goverment facilities such as Universal medical care,Free education free etc
@Abbadon380 Yes I know this very well. I can tell You why it not work. It`s not work because politics decide how industry should work. They are ignorants and they always use market to political aims. There not exist free education and medical care because state hasn`t his own money - state has money from taxes - it means that for this "free" education or medical care you pay anyway.
@Abbadon380 dude "the government" would just kowtow to the highest bidder. Problem with government regulations is that they typically don't regulate..look at the Gulf Oil Spill..the regulators were fucking and doing drugs with the people they were supposed to regulate. They would give passing inspections so when the government job ended they could work for that private company
@hellaflush707 Well, I think you forget that the inherent value of products and/or services is completely different. For example, maintaining a chicken and getting a handful of eggs is much less expensive than maintaining a cow and getting a couple of gallons of milk. Is it fair that I give you a dozen of eggs for a gallon of your milk (which tends to be about double the cost of eggs)? At the end of the day, we're still in a way "trading" our goods.
@hellaflush707 If you're going with the notion that we "share" all the work & everyone tends to everything, where does the specialization come in that is essential for a culture to grow? Ie, everyone knows just the basics of 1st aid, and that's it, bc we don't have time to learn the intense & very specialized field of medicine to become a dr bc that wouldn't be "fair" work. At the same time, what happens when the services of a dr are compared to that of a farmer?
That's where different schools of thought come in. Let's take it to a base level. Kintergardeners sharing blocks. Bobby has a blue one, Sarah has a pink one, Andy has a red one, Johnny has a black one, Julie has a brown one, Juan has a yellow one, Julie has a purple one, etc. Let's say the blue is medical care while red is farming. Andy helps Bobby food, and Bobby helps everybody who gets hurt, maybe takes care of the kids while the Julie is busy building chairs, & so fourth.
@hellaflush707 why do people hate communism?65 million in the People's Republic of China 20 million in the Soviet Union 2 million in Cambodia 2 million in North Korea 1.7 million in Africa 1.5 million in Afghanistan 1 million in the Communist states of Eastern Europe 1 million in Vietnam 150,000 in Latin America a system where the government takes everything from you to give to some one who is lazier than you.a system where you have no rights fuck communism
@hellaflush707 There ARE good Communist leaders. Those are mainly ones who are generous, but authoritarian. Who are assertive, but so for the interests of equality and order. Leaders who think and act for their people.
@hellaflush707 Because there is no rational mechanism for economic coordination. In the capitalist system, the profit mechanism directs economic activities. In communist system, production for use directs economic activities. However, production for us has been a failure when applied to large number of people, hence production for profit via market forces was far more successful in meeting the demands of the people. This is why.
@XxLIVRAxX Actually social mobility is greater in countries with smaller income inequality. Check out equalitytrust from google and get your facts straight.
@XxLIVRAxX stimulus... I hate humanity Throughout all 200,000 years of humanity's history, there has never been anything but death and suffering. The bad guys win. Cheaters always prosper. Hate and fear always supersede love and happiness.
Humans are what we are in Earth's ecosystem not because we were the most prosperous, or the most enlightened, or the most joyous. We are what we are because we brutally murdered everything else. Is not somethign I would take pride of.
@hellaflush707 giving up your individual rights and increasing the governments rights will not aid society. So to fix a government your solution is to increase its powers.....*SIGH*
@hellaflush707 You never understand the horror and brutality of communism until you actually live under its control. Communism is very attractive at least on theory. Unfortunately, it cannot be implemented in human society because of human greed. That was the reason all communist countries turned into a kind of totalitarian (aka dictatorship) whether they control human as a collective of cattle.
@ubermisogynist What a fucking cop-out. "It was anarchism, not communism, so you can't use as a pro-communist argument!" Because see, it wasn't just anarchism, the Catalonians based their economic principles on collectivism, collective ownership of the means of production, the most basic tenet of communism.
@hellaflush707 You are wrong, my friend. :) There are two main reasons you did not mention for communism fail 100% of times. 1. Our world doesn't contain enough wealth to make all people live above poverty level. There's no such a country, not even US, which wealth can be spread among citizens and they would have a car per capita. 2. Some people are lazy. If communism is the way what will you do with them? Kill? Put in jail? Communism is a beautiful idea, but impossible.
@Jakethesnake1281 We are a 14 trillion dollar economy dickhead China 1.3 billion people about 900,000,000 million live in total poverty per capita they are one of the poorest countries on earth
@dman1311974 China manufactures products which we and everyone else in the world uses. The US economy is mostly a massive service industry which doesn't really make anything tangible save for a few manufacturing jobs here and there. And as far as America's retail sector is concerned, most of the products being sold in stores, they're mostly "Made in China".
Those 900million people are the farmers in the rural areas and the One Child Policy DOES NOT apply to them unlike the 400million in cities.
@PeoplesGeneral The US doesn't really make anything tangible because they exploit other people to do so (like in China, way less expensive). The chinese government lets those companies come to the country and employ it's citizens... well aware of the torture/bad treatments/slave salaries etc... To anyone who sensibly knows what communism is, what I just stated represents the pure opposite of a basic communist principle. And so China is NOT a communist country, at all. PS: Nice statement :P
That piece about today being the first day of the rest of my life is actually a prayer and you can fall asleep whispering it to yourself at night. It is just as spiritual as the beautiful OUR FATHER, WHO ART IN HEAVEN. After one week, your life will be transformed and you will be MORE POSITIVE in ALL areas of your life. So, come on: repeat after me - TODAY IS THE FIRST DAY OF THE REST OF MY LIFE.
Word of honour, it works. 50 times a day or night for a week or more.
If you start the ball rolling now, you won't have to wait till you go to Heaven to start the ball rolling. If you respect DECENT MUSLIMS/ JEWS/CHRISTIANS/ etc. here on this earth, just think how easy it will be to continue this respect in front of God The Father, or Allah, if you prefer. Make miracles happen DOWN HERE FIRST, then God will be more than impressed by YOU. Are you still reading this? Good, today is the first day of the rest of my life. Say that 100 times a day. It works!!
If we cannot have the Brotherhood of Man here on earth, how can we have it in Heaven? I mean, if you hate X for whatever reason, how can you love X as your neighbour in the next life? Jesus PROBABLY said "respect your neighbour" and not "love thy neighbour". With respect, people get along together in a better way. With lack of respect, what do you get? War, terror, hunger, you name it. So, c'mon, let's pull out fingers out BEFORE Dec-21-2012. Let's start the ball rolling NOW!
Communism is like a religion without a Father figure. Religion is like Communism with a Father figure! One believes in the brotherhood of man whilst the other believes in the fatherhood of man. Now, if you blend these two SPIRITUAL beliefs together, the fatherhood of God slots into place after we have reached the brotherhood of Man. Both are noble ideals and we should all try to reach these goals by practisiing what we preach. I hope Dec-21-2012 ushers in a new era like this. God willing.
This is why economic freedom is so good. Communism can happen in a capitalist system because capitalism is economic freedom! That means true capitalism is freedom for everybody.
I can see the benefits, but large scale communism will not fix the "den of vipers and thieves". Small, tight knit, and well regulated, within a constitutionally protected state, sure. There is accountability there. Large scale mixed with the slovenly and pshociopath politicians without another type of balance...not so much.Less productive becomes hardly productive. Good for you though, Im glad you and your families are happy and thriving. Cant bash that! you need a mechanic and a water wheel
@Dean7Co "The beauty of America is that if these people want to go do this they can. The problem happens when bully, thief types try to push it on everyone." So true!!! These people may make it work, but in Soviet Russia, communism makes you work with it.
@Dean7Co - I was thining of a comment for this video, however yours was the pinnacle - it all amounts to choice. As long as we have choice, we have freedom. Great comment.
@Dean7Co I disagree. Communism needs to be enforced. When you enforce Communism, you make it so little "communes" like these aren't dependant on capitalist systems. History has shown that authoritarianism and order breed equality.
Does anyone else find it odd, that a communist community in America can do whatever it wants, but if a parent wants to self educate their child it is a crime? God forbid you teach your children Christianity and how to be a productive citizen in society. Communism will fail....again, it always does. History does not lie.
@grunt11b Yeah...so will Capitalism. The Roman Empire is the primitive American Capitalism, and it crumbled HARD.
EVERY sort of 'ism' will fail because they all work perfectly only in theory. There's only one thing that is NEVER equated in when they are theorized about; the human factor. Humans are flawed, and thereby anything we create or follow and adapt to will also become flawed. History has proven this time and time again.
@Fridaey13txhOktober thats a lot of garbage. Maybe its been tainted, but thats why the declaration of independence and the constitution is the foundation, so we have the power to take back our rights. we keep searching for a new way, but the new way is built in! The power is already ours! It is made to, with sacrifice, empower the people. All laws are just garbage added on top. Fighters will defend, pussies will shrink into communism. scrap our forefathers dream, Its easier that way, huh?
The founding fathers would not quiet have liked the 1950s either.
Basically, every Roman serf could become a freeman and/or have his/her own serfs and that really did cull down the risk of rebellion significantly, even if it was only for a minority of them.
But consumerism , the promise of ignorant bliss blinded the public lead to der untertan. Courage have been replaced with cowardice and freedoom have been replaced with submission to the insanities of post-modernism, aka "liberalism".
Let it be known that local communism is far different than government communism. It's a weak argument this video, for something that is about to be rammed down Americas throat.
@tichergeorge Capitalism is a profit motivated economic system (the objective is to make as much money as you can).
Communism is a socioeconomic system that operates on a system of "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" and the ultimate goal is to create a stateless, classless society.
American comrades, I'm proud of you! Go out and protest, educate yourself and let the revolution broke out! American workers, fight the Bourgeoisie, not to increase your wages but so that the future society of yours will not need them!
@PdP4ever Go fuck yourself, we are a constitutional republic, and we will fight for it, unlike your weak ass punk bitch country. We did it before, we will do it again,.
@grunt11b Who the fuck cares what is your country now? You think that (American) COMMUNISTS care about Democracy? Republic? Communists do not care about the borders. Communism is borderless. And don't call my country "weak ass punk bitch" you ignorant racist motherfucker, my country is older than yours by some 800 years, at the time when we ruled half of Europe, in your country there were Native Americans roaming around the forests of Manhattan. You prove the stereotypes.
These people are the new pilgrims, fed up with the old regime, oligarchs ("democracy"), lies and meaninglessness of life, envisioning a meaningful and more promising future and a very different world. Except the Englanders in 17th century had a place to escape to (American continent), these have none, which may otherwise enable the birth of a much more powerful country that finally comes back to kick its mother-country's ass (the USA in this case...)
Overall I suggest you study politics before making nonsensical comments on the subject, that is unless philosophy is itself 'propaganda' to your eyes as well.
"Totalitarian in its natures because it requires force". The use of force does iterate that the ideology is 'totalitarian in nature', your analogy might as well make the United States totalitarian since it required a violent revolution' be more specific. Socialism is an economic model not a political one and can adopted into Right-wing socialism or left-wing socialism. Nazism therefore is "right-wing socialism" since it meshes the socialist economic model to its nationalistic principles.
No, you keep shoving your propaganda up your arse and keep it there so noone has to look at it. Social-Conservatism encourages welfare and equality but fundamentally adheres moral restrictions. The political spectrum was formulated by philosophers as a way of calculating the different political positions of ideologies. If you believe the political spectrum is a propaganda tool then you might as well put mathematics or macroeconomics on the same boat.
No, you keep shoving your propaganda up your arse and keep it there so noone has to look at it. Social-Conservatism encourages welfare and equality but fundamentally adheres moral restrictions. The political spectrum was formulated by philosophers as a way of calculating the different political positions of ideologies. If you believe the political spectrum is a propaganda tool then you might as well put mathematics or macroeconomics on the same boat.
That is not "far-right"; totalitarianism is the most far-right ideology ever conceived off. I believe you are referring to libertarianism which is Fiscally right wing and Socially left wing. In other words it embraces economic and political liberty whilst accepts socially progressive ideas (to legalize gay marriage, prostitution, abortion and eradicate censorship etc). You cannot simplify the calculation of freedom and liberties through the political spectrum.
They have an autarkic economic system that is controlled totally by the government (not democratically owned by the workers as stated in the Communist Manifesto). Their government though is not Communist but Totalitarian (A far-right system of government even more extreme than Nazism); the leader has TOTAL control of the country and can make you take of your clothes and jump into a pool of piranha's LEGALLY whether he wanted to or not.
@Re5Publica ...the best way known to the human race... just look how sweden, norway, germany or france are doing and how capitalist countries like usa or latvia are doing...
I have nothing against voluntary communism, if you want to set up a commune, go right ahead. But, it doesn't surprise me that there are only 100 people there. Not many people are willing to eat boiled turnips every day and take showers only with rain water.
At the very least they don't forcibly confiscate peoples property like communist states have done.
So have capitalist states, by the way. Seizure of property is something every type of state has done for one purpose or another. Putting an exploiter's property to good use for the public seems a lot more noble than seizing a pot-farmer's land and auctioning it off to some asshole.
@amrevatel Of course the difference is capitalist states at least respect and recognize private property, while the purpose - the raison d'etre - of a communist state is to abolish private property entirely. That's a striking difference. It's important to note that for this reason your prospects as a pot farmer are far better under a capitalist system than a communist one, and that makes your example spurious.
Capitalist states only "respect" private property when it belongs to someone maintaining the system. Capitalism respects bourgeois property and the right to privately own the means of production and to exploit the labor of the working class through appropriating surplus for the owner. As for the example, I'll admit it was pretty spurious, but I think I can contextualize it: if he were on par with Phillip-Morris, judges would sooner rethink the law than carry it out on him.
as well meaning as the idea of isolationist communes maybe, they are just too escapist and in a way might actually be expressions of selfishness and are a stone's throw away from hippie culture and FAILING to see the bigger picture
@cincyblows That's an issue of government, not economics. Yet again you prove yourself to be an idiot. In Soviet Russia, you could leave when ever you wanted. In China, you can leave when you want, in Vietnam, you can leave when you want, in South Korea, you can leave when you want. An issue of whether you can or cannot afford to leave is on your shoulders. Communism is about hard work, and being rewarded for it. In Capitalism, you can work all you want, and get laid off. Enough said.
@ItsJackDolan Look, asshole, we all know that you had to have special permission every time you left the country if you were a Russian or a Chinese citizen? As for being an idiot, that's you, you fucking moron. btw there are more Cubans living in America than there are in Cuba. Why is that, you fucking ignorant little prick?
@cincyblows You really don't understand the concept of communism, your mind has been corrupted by propaganda. You hear communism and think evil. Communism is equal distribution of wealth to all workers. Don't go off on a shit storm if you don't know that facts.
@ItsJackDolan If your idea of "knowing the facts" means being brainwashed by your government masters, I'll take individual liberty anytime. Thank you for retarding your case.
@cincyblows That's good you have an opinion. But I couldn't live with myself if I was rich and there were tons of homeless people could have used all that money. I believe in sharing. I'm not greedy. I don't see how I "Retarded" my case. You stated nothing about communism, only about corrupt government and dictators.
@ItsJackDolan To a great extent I'd agree with you. If I hade the money that George Soros or Bil Gates have, I'd redistribute huge chunks of it. But you'll noticve that I'd do it of my own volition rather than being forced against my will by an inept and power hungry central government.
@cincyblows You're not forced to give away money by anyone. You make the same amount of money everyone else does. But not all governments who use communism are bad. In fact you can find democratic communism in south korea. You're not forced to do anything.
@ItsJackDolan Humankind isn't ready for communism because leaders are always power-hungry. Che, Stalin, Mao, Lenin, Fidel, Adolph, Benito, ad nauseam are just the tip of the iceberg. Communism is far too ideal and the thought of being ordered by the gov't to work here, live there, etc, makes me all the more determined to reject communism. I believe there are benign leaders, but precious few of them have ever been found under the communist banner.
@cincyblows Lenin was not power hungry and Hitler was not a communist. <--- not my point But you can have democratic communism, elect leaders and run the economy as a commune.
@ItsJackDolan "Hitler was not a communist." No kidding. But both he and Lenin were totalitarians. Thugs driven by evil and lust for power over the masses, and lacking the sense to know how much suffering their people could ndure.
I believe in individual liberty as much as I do group liberty. When individuals feel they don't have enough freedom to make choices, they're less likely to perform well for the state.
@ItsJackDolan But, do you have any control over how those homeless people spend the money you give them? They could simply blow it on heroin, and come back to you and say "I'm out of money, comrade, I needs to eat, you got money, help a fella out?" The problem you didn't factor in, is that you could simply be subsidizing peoples irresponsible spending and behavior. You may think what you're doing is good, but is the result always what is intended?
Only in capatalist America can communism function lol
Vutxzzn2 2 days ago
Communism is for SCHNOOBS but I guess it's their right to be schnoobs. If they want to live in communes then so be it. Crazy wackos are best away from free society.
1337wafflezz 3 days ago
This commune uses coertion too. THEY THREAT to toss you out if you don't work.
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I don't know about you but I don't want anybody over my shoulder yeling: Dig faster or else I will throw you out from MY paradise. Ops. I ment ours paradise :D :D:D :D:D :DD :D
pipem4n 4 days ago
@pipem4n uh.. and what happens if you dont do your job?
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ohnoIvebeentricked 5 days ago
In a communist state, they wouldn't be allowed to live that way. Somebody has to own/pay taxes on that land and invite others to participate. It is in effect a free enterprise. They work full time to generate income to support their way of life. There's a difference between a "commune" and Communism. Communism is imposed by the state on EVERYBODY, by force, no freedom of expression. Here, anyone with land, money, ingenuity, and a few friends can have a go at it. Getting there's the hard part.
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Fuck Americans for being idiots. Shame on you pricks allowing their crooked media & american government crimes, slandering & treasons with lying intent on the public. Welcome to Communist America, sheep bitches!
UltraDOG17 6 days ago
Original idea behind Communism is really wrong, as you know! watch?v=w5qQsXUZh0I
madizmzkizm 1 week ago
Communism at it's best. I hope it spreads.
CrescentMoonRed 1 week ago
communism rules...!
TheYouwontgetit 2 weeks ago
@TheYouwontgetit yes brother it does.
jerryvarela 1 week ago
hey don't forget about Vietnam and North Korea their communists too
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"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money to spend."
-Margaret Thatcher-
SailfishSoundSystem 2 weeks ago
If they want to live as a slaveing commune, then fine.
Keep their filth out of Michigan and the American way of life.
Scotish223332 2 weeks ago
I laugh at how trigger happy americans get when it comes to ideas that challenge the norm, or how most get all obsessed with freedom and liberty when most have no fucking clue what that actually means.
BeatsByWeight 3 weeks ago
@BeatsByWeight I suppose you're the authority.
ChicagoProdigy 2 weeks ago
Well, a Libertarian country allows for everyone to arrange themselves as they see fit - including setting up communist communes. But what do Libertarians do in a Communist state?
I have no problem with these good people as long as they don't try to use government force, or any other type of force, to get me into that lifestyle.
oelergodt 3 weeks ago
@oelergodt Why cant these people be libertarians? Do they have any less freedom than you do in living that lifestyle ? I think not, aside from a communal sense of obligation to put in a certain number of hours of work each week ... which is what most people in mainstream society do anyway, and to the advantage of the owners, not the community itself.
BeatsByWeight 3 weeks ago
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Well, if you do some research into the commune you'll know how they identify. Also if you just took a peek at the title or watch the clip again to hear the Twin Oaks resident describe their commune as the last Communist place on earth along with Cuba.
I have no problem with that as long as it's VOLUNTARY. They are and should be allowed to arrange their lives as they please in a free society.
oelergodt 2 weeks ago
@oelergodt What's wrong with this lifestyle?
Nenadnash 2 weeks ago
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Uhm... nothing.
That's what I've been saying the whole time. It's when they start spreading their way of life with force that I have a problem with it. I don't know what's so hard to understand.
My point is just that a free capitalist society, nobody tells you how to live.. and you can even join a communist commune if you wanna. In a communist state, however, there's hardly much love for the libertarian-minded people.
oelergodt 2 weeks ago
@oelergodt There were no "communist" countries. These countries were socialist..Their promise of communism was just letter on a paper..Communism means there is no state or government, no money, no classes, no national identities, religions, cults, no national borders, no trade, only communes with it's own territories. I have read the whole communist manifesto. Let's say, for example that Chicago would be a large commune in communism. Everything would be own by the citizens of that commune.
Nenadnash 2 weeks ago
@Nenadnash Yes the end goal of theoretical communism was the stateless classless society that would supposedly come naturally after a period of the proletarian dictatorship. This never happens, though. Marx wasn't the only guy to define communism. Rather, I'd argue that the real, practical examples we have are more important in the definition of communism than some idealized utopia of a political theorist.
However.. none of that matters. Like I stated I have nothing against voluntary communism.
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hilletehnoob 2 weeks ago
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@Nenadnash stupid communists use that excuse to justify to themselfs the failure of what they believed in,every communist country failed,they failed because of ineficient economy,multiculturalism in USSR and Yugoslavia,opression.Communist is incompatible with human nature,first they promote people to do nothing instead of competing,they fail to recognize that ethnicity matters to people,fail to recognize man always search for power and so any search to unify world is useless,it will divide.
hilletehnoob 2 weeks ago
0:31 Satan's child
mrfishsticklover 3 weeks ago
this looks good they pull their own weight in society and classless is the way to go
Mr1helluvabutlr 3 weeks ago
@Mr1helluvabutlr what makes you think people in a capalist system don't pull their own weight and classless is an unrealistc..some people are better/smarter than others and that will create division
ubermisogynist 3 weeks ago
AMERICA will NEVER FALL to COMMUNIST INVASION!
23Personality 3 weeks ago
@23Personality YOU CAN NEVER ACCEPT NEW IDEAS WHEN YOUR COUNTRY'S ECONOMY FALLING AROUND YOU!
Imaweaverboy 3 weeks ago
Problem about theoretical communism is that everyone must be a part of it for it to work.
And I'm not joining.
MrTomSmoke 3 weeks ago
@MrTomSmoke Name one reason, why.
Ixam13 3 weeks ago
@Ixam13 well if a segement of people refuse to give up their property then what? You murder them?
ubermisogynist 3 weeks ago
@ubermisogynist First you should know that its not about the expropriation of personal property, but about the expropriation of private means of production. So only a minor, rich part would be directly affected by this. And if they get in the way they don't have to be murdered. Today law enforcement doenst murder people instantly too, does it?
Ixam13 3 weeks ago
@ubermisogynist In Poland communists take all private property by force. They take away land of my uncle who was the richest peasant in the village. They call him enemy of the people, NKVD come to his house when he was on the field. Friend say him about it and he must escape to the local woods. He was a partisan later - check "Cursed soldiers" on wikipedia. This is communism in practice.
licicaviki 3 weeks ago
@MrTomSmoke You have to be a part of capitalism too for it to work. Or else, if you quit working, you end up homeless.
BeatsByWeight 3 weeks ago
In Soviet Virginia, barn door fix you.
TheZorseWhisperer 1 month ago 2
As a nationalist, this looks real good to me.
Gi0vanniTheGreat 1 month ago
Governing economics isn't enough. We'll never have an equal and fair society when people are born with more rights than others. We should all have the equal footing in life that every person deserves.
DannyLovesWalrus 1 month ago
Karl MArx would actually be proud of this more than Stalin
ACDCJCUSMC 1 month ago 15
@ACDCJCUSMC Stalin would not be proud because he was an arsehole to nearly everybody.
Imperialmatty 1 month ago
@ACDCJCUSMC Karl Marx was crazy and racist
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hellaflush707 1 month ago
@arp554 not for me. if i don't work for many days. It drives me nuts. I have to always do something.
tehatemachine 1 month ago
This is a clear example of the VERY FEW ways communism can possibly work. But nationwide it fails. In a community like that it's not hard to keep track of the people there. But it is cult like. .
tehatemachine 1 month ago
I wish i could go and live their.
DWalters96 1 month ago
communism never existed anywhere since the monetary system is applied everywhere. communism is classless, moneyless, stateless. it will be social system of the future, but the current society is not ready quite yet.
focista6 2 months ago
Isn't China Communist?
WHISKEYWARRIOR9 2 months ago
@WHISKEYWARRIOR9 no. far from it and getting further. sadly
Mewfan 1 month ago
@Mewfan hmph.. too bad
WHISKEYWARRIOR9 1 month ago
CHUCK NORRIS!
robertfido3 2 months ago
@CentristFiasco im not trying to start an ardument or anything but what would stop people from saving money
KGBassassin206 2 months ago
Why do Americans consistently think Communism is an economic system? Capitalism is an economic system and Socialism is an economic system. Communism is a GOVERNMENT SYSTEM. My gosh, these people are dumb.
CentristFiasco 2 months ago
Are you allowed to have 2 jobs in communism? And are you allowed to save money in communism?
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CentristFiasco 2 months ago
@KGBassassin206 In Socialism, you cannot work two jobs because it would mean that you're not equal to the rest, it's imitating to the rest.
CentristFiasco 2 months ago
1:28 --> twin oaks, cuba... and how about the dictatorship of NORTH KOREA ???
HolyGK 2 months ago
@HolyGK There is nothing wrong with dictatorship. In fact, it s a great, stable and working form of government. Far more stable and efficient than democracy.
rimlanin 2 months ago
@rimlanin haha what a joke... Peaceful dictatorship can only work on small communities like twin oaks. I guess you never lived in dictatorships, go in north korea and tell me if this is what you want... Communism block the country, and stop it from reaching global market, the only way to compensiate that lose will be the hard industrial and peasant work. And in case weather incident = Famine. No international help and this is what happened many time in ussr china N korea. CAPITALIST FOR LIFE
HolyGK 2 months ago
@HolyGK Dictatorship is the only proper form of government. Maybe North Korea IS what I want. I don't like elections. I don't like democracy. It is just power struggles.The global market is a bad thing. We work ourselves to get what we need. Capitalism is greed.
rimlanin 2 months ago
@rimlanin If you lived in a non communism dictatorship , you wouldn't be able to express you communiist opinion, if so you might get killed. If that is what you want then good luck for your life. People like you don't understand the beauty of human nature. In a liberalism life, you are able to have sex, listen what you want, express your opinion, be a human. In a communist way of life, you can't, you are robotiwed, you got no more basic human feelings. Communism and dicataorships will die.
HolyGK 2 months ago
@HolyGK I perfectly know what happens to Communists in Right-wing dictatorships. Also, people shouldn't be allowed to express any ideology they see fit or wear what they want. People would follow the only Ideology which serves the people - Communism. All other ideologies server different minorities, but not your average joe. There should also be a strict moral code, on what you can wear and what you can say. I am tired of the "new generation" eating only KFC, wearing jeans, fucking and swearing.
rimlanin 2 months ago
@rimlanin What is democracy ?? In the US it is the free choice between going to MacDonald or KFC.. Nothing ells,the American way only see fit to protect the very rich and f.ck the rest...
RebelSonBand 2 months ago
@RebelSonBand Exactly! They protect the bouregoise, because they make money. And capitalism is all about money....
rimlanin 2 months ago
Notice that they do have a sanction for those who don't work--kick them out. I recently attended a seminar on socialism where the former Soviet economist now college professor in the US said, "Socialism always tends toward forced labor camps and then downright murder." People have to be motivated to work. In free societies it's a combination of the motivation of self-advancement and the fear of having nothing. Socialistic systems shift the weight of motivation to fear of prison or death.
Dean7Co 2 months ago
@Dean7Co socializim scares me
jjtheslayer69 2 months ago
@Dean7Co Yeah they do. Everyone has a duty to contribute to the society. If you do not do that willingly, you will do it forcefully.
rimlanin 2 months ago
the answer is not communism. Socialism is the answer.
Abbadon380 2 months ago
@Abbadon380 You caught on... I wonder if RT America caught on that... Communism isn't an economic system.
CentristFiasco 2 months ago
@Abbadon380 socialism not work anywhere on the world. It`s utopia. I lived in socialism. I stayed in long queue for 200 grams of meet and toilet paper 40 years after WWII. You don`t realize what really socialism means in state categories...
licicaviki 1 month ago
@licicaviki i dont mean that kind of socialism the private sector must be regulated by the goverment and they shouldnt be allowed to go into every industry second the people need goverment facilities such as Universal medical care,Free education free etc
Abbadon380 1 month ago
@Abbadon380 Yes I know this very well. I can tell You why it not work. It`s not work because politics decide how industry should work. They are ignorants and they always use market to political aims. There not exist free education and medical care because state hasn`t his own money - state has money from taxes - it means that for this "free" education or medical care you pay anyway.
licicaviki 1 month ago
@Abbadon380 dude "the government" would just kowtow to the highest bidder. Problem with government regulations is that they typically don't regulate..look at the Gulf Oil Spill..the regulators were fucking and doing drugs with the people they were supposed to regulate. They would give passing inspections so when the government job ended they could work for that private company
ubermisogynist 3 weeks ago
All they need to do is buy some Chinese-made wind turbines and solar panels... and they can declare independence from the power grid.
PeoplesGeneral 2 months ago
As if there's no pecking order. Borderline cult.
CelticKraut 2 months ago
This is not communism, this is communal, rural living. Huge difference.
ChicagoProdigy 2 months ago
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@ChicagoProdigy "This is not communism, this is communal, rural living. Huge difference."
Is this a joke?
Lukege15 2 months ago
NO MORE GOVERNMENT PERIOD
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hellaflush707 3 months ago 21
@hellaflush707 Well, I think you forget that the inherent value of products and/or services is completely different. For example, maintaining a chicken and getting a handful of eggs is much less expensive than maintaining a cow and getting a couple of gallons of milk. Is it fair that I give you a dozen of eggs for a gallon of your milk (which tends to be about double the cost of eggs)? At the end of the day, we're still in a way "trading" our goods.
petitepashi 3 months ago
@hellaflush707 If you're going with the notion that we "share" all the work & everyone tends to everything, where does the specialization come in that is essential for a culture to grow? Ie, everyone knows just the basics of 1st aid, and that's it, bc we don't have time to learn the intense & very specialized field of medicine to become a dr bc that wouldn't be "fair" work. At the same time, what happens when the services of a dr are compared to that of a farmer?
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That's where different schools of thought come in. Let's take it to a base level. Kintergardeners sharing blocks. Bobby has a blue one, Sarah has a pink one, Andy has a red one, Johnny has a black one, Julie has a brown one, Juan has a yellow one, Julie has a purple one, etc. Let's say the blue is medical care while red is farming. Andy helps Bobby food, and Bobby helps everybody who gets hurt, maybe takes care of the kids while the Julie is busy building chairs, & so fourth.
mussman717word 2 months ago
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*Andy gives
mussman717word 2 months ago
thenvdude 2 months ago
@thenvdude There are no actual true communist systems in place, you can't really take an example... there also never has been.
IvyKingable 2 months ago
@hellaflush707 There ARE good Communist leaders. Those are mainly ones who are generous, but authoritarian. Who are assertive, but so for the interests of equality and order. Leaders who think and act for their people.
rimlanin 2 months ago
@hellaflush707 finally someone who thinks the same.
WHISKEYWARRIOR9 2 months ago
@hellaflush707 Because there is no rational mechanism for economic coordination. In the capitalist system, the profit mechanism directs economic activities. In communist system, production for use directs economic activities. However, production for us has been a failure when applied to large number of people, hence production for profit via market forces was far more successful in meeting the demands of the people. This is why.
GunsNRosesbitches 1 month ago
@hellaflush707 equal economic status also means social immobility, therefore eliminating one of the main stimulus for entrepreneurship.
XxLIVRAxX 1 month ago 4
@XxLIVRAxX Actually social mobility is greater in countries with smaller income inequality. Check out equalitytrust from google and get your facts straight.
kaiserblazer 2 weeks ago
@XxLIVRAxX its ok its not capitalism
juanlmesl 1 week ago
@XxLIVRAxX stimulus... I hate humanity Throughout all 200,000 years of humanity's history, there has never been anything but death and suffering. The bad guys win. Cheaters always prosper. Hate and fear always supersede love and happiness.
Humans are what we are in Earth's ecosystem not because we were the most prosperous, or the most enlightened, or the most joyous. We are what we are because we brutally murdered everything else. Is not somethign I would take pride of.
porkyminch01 1 week ago
@hellaflush707 giving up your individual rights and increasing the governments rights will not aid society. So to fix a government your solution is to increase its powers.....*SIGH*
rogeralejandro2007 4 weeks ago
@hellaflush707 You never understand the horror and brutality of communism until you actually live under its control. Communism is very attractive at least on theory. Unfortunately, it cannot be implemented in human society because of human greed. That was the reason all communist countries turned into a kind of totalitarian (aka dictatorship) whether they control human as a collective of cattle.
virusSOS 4 weeks ago
@virusSOS So, in your mind, the Spanish revolution.... never existed?
EmilioCasavegas 3 weeks ago
@EmilioCasavegas that was anarchism
ubermisogynist 3 weeks ago
@ubermisogynist What a fucking cop-out. "It was anarchism, not communism, so you can't use as a pro-communist argument!" Because see, it wasn't just anarchism, the Catalonians based their economic principles on collectivism, collective ownership of the means of production, the most basic tenet of communism.
EmilioCasavegas 3 weeks ago
@hellaflush707 You are wrong, my friend. :) There are two main reasons you did not mention for communism fail 100% of times. 1. Our world doesn't contain enough wealth to make all people live above poverty level. There's no such a country, not even US, which wealth can be spread among citizens and they would have a car per capita. 2. Some people are lazy. If communism is the way what will you do with them? Kill? Put in jail? Communism is a beautiful idea, but impossible.
Kozaack 3 weeks ago
all those commi countries are so poor America is so rich ...suckers
dman1311974 3 months ago
@dman1311974 China has much more money than us, also we are in debt to China
Jakethesnake1281 3 months ago
@Jakethesnake1281 We are a 14 trillion dollar economy dickhead China 1.3 billion people about 900,000,000 million live in total poverty per capita they are one of the poorest countries on earth
dman1311974 3 months ago
@dman1311974 China manufactures products which we and everyone else in the world uses. The US economy is mostly a massive service industry which doesn't really make anything tangible save for a few manufacturing jobs here and there. And as far as America's retail sector is concerned, most of the products being sold in stores, they're mostly "Made in China".
Those 900million people are the farmers in the rural areas and the One Child Policy DOES NOT apply to them unlike the 400million in cities.
PeoplesGeneral 2 months ago
@PeoplesGeneral The US doesn't really make anything tangible because they exploit other people to do so (like in China, way less expensive). The chinese government lets those companies come to the country and employ it's citizens... well aware of the torture/bad treatments/slave salaries etc... To anyone who sensibly knows what communism is, what I just stated represents the pure opposite of a basic communist principle. And so China is NOT a communist country, at all. PS: Nice statement :P
IvyKingable 2 months ago
That piece about today being the first day of the rest of my life is actually a prayer and you can fall asleep whispering it to yourself at night. It is just as spiritual as the beautiful OUR FATHER, WHO ART IN HEAVEN. After one week, your life will be transformed and you will be MORE POSITIVE in ALL areas of your life. So, come on: repeat after me - TODAY IS THE FIRST DAY OF THE REST OF MY LIFE.
Word of honour, it works. 50 times a day or night for a week or more.
squirell1952 3 months ago
If you start the ball rolling now, you won't have to wait till you go to Heaven to start the ball rolling. If you respect DECENT MUSLIMS/ JEWS/CHRISTIANS/ etc. here on this earth, just think how easy it will be to continue this respect in front of God The Father, or Allah, if you prefer. Make miracles happen DOWN HERE FIRST, then God will be more than impressed by YOU. Are you still reading this? Good, today is the first day of the rest of my life. Say that 100 times a day. It works!!
squirell1952 3 months ago
If we cannot have the Brotherhood of Man here on earth, how can we have it in Heaven? I mean, if you hate X for whatever reason, how can you love X as your neighbour in the next life? Jesus PROBABLY said "respect your neighbour" and not "love thy neighbour". With respect, people get along together in a better way. With lack of respect, what do you get? War, terror, hunger, you name it. So, c'mon, let's pull out fingers out BEFORE Dec-21-2012. Let's start the ball rolling NOW!
squirell1952 3 months ago
Communism is like a religion without a Father figure. Religion is like Communism with a Father figure! One believes in the brotherhood of man whilst the other believes in the fatherhood of man. Now, if you blend these two SPIRITUAL beliefs together, the fatherhood of God slots into place after we have reached the brotherhood of Man. Both are noble ideals and we should all try to reach these goals by practisiing what we preach. I hope Dec-21-2012 ushers in a new era like this. God willing.
squirell1952 3 months ago
They're probably a human sacrificing cult.
thestatuegotmehigh 3 months ago
Wonderful!
alifeofreason 3 months ago
Fuck Communism!
remotepsp 3 months ago
@remotepsp fuck irrational stigma!
Dann123100 3 months ago
This is why economic freedom is so good. Communism can happen in a capitalist system because capitalism is economic freedom! That means true capitalism is freedom for everybody.
jeabo0adhd 3 months ago
I can see the benefits, but large scale communism will not fix the "den of vipers and thieves". Small, tight knit, and well regulated, within a constitutionally protected state, sure. There is accountability there. Large scale mixed with the slovenly and pshociopath politicians without another type of balance...not so much.Less productive becomes hardly productive. Good for you though, Im glad you and your families are happy and thriving. Cant bash that! you need a mechanic and a water wheel
ddddcheaper 3 months ago
sign me up :D
11maoriboii 3 months ago
The beauty of America is that if these people want to go do this they can. The problem happpens when bully, thief types try to push it on everyone.
Dean7Co 3 months ago 10
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@Dean7Co "The beauty of America is that if these people want to go do this they can. The problem happens when bully, thief types try to push it on everyone." So true!!! These people may make it work, but in Soviet Russia, communism makes you work with it.
jeabo0adhd 3 months ago
@Dean7Co simply well put
ddddcheaper 3 months ago
@Dean7Co - I was thining of a comment for this video, however yours was the pinnacle - it all amounts to choice. As long as we have choice, we have freedom. Great comment.
ShooterReview 3 months ago
@Dean7Co Tell the Native Americans that.
Lukege15 2 months ago
@Dean7Co I disagree. Communism needs to be enforced. When you enforce Communism, you make it so little "communes" like these aren't dependant on capitalist systems. History has shown that authoritarianism and order breed equality.
rimlanin 2 months ago
Does anyone else find it odd, that a communist community in America can do whatever it wants, but if a parent wants to self educate their child it is a crime? God forbid you teach your children Christianity and how to be a productive citizen in society. Communism will fail....again, it always does. History does not lie.
grunt11b 3 months ago
@grunt11b Yeah...so will Capitalism. The Roman Empire is the primitive American Capitalism, and it crumbled HARD.
EVERY sort of 'ism' will fail because they all work perfectly only in theory. There's only one thing that is NEVER equated in when they are theorized about; the human factor. Humans are flawed, and thereby anything we create or follow and adapt to will also become flawed. History has proven this time and time again.
SimbaFan12 3 months ago
The american dream is the same system that allowed the Roman Empire to keep its serfs from rebelling.
Fridaey13txhOktober 3 months ago
@Fridaey13txhOktober thats a lot of garbage. Maybe its been tainted, but thats why the declaration of independence and the constitution is the foundation, so we have the power to take back our rights. we keep searching for a new way, but the new way is built in! The power is already ours! It is made to, with sacrifice, empower the people. All laws are just garbage added on top. Fighters will defend, pussies will shrink into communism. scrap our forefathers dream, Its easier that way, huh?
ddddcheaper 3 months ago
The founding fathers would not quiet have liked the 1950s either.
Basically, every Roman serf could become a freeman and/or have his/her own serfs and that really did cull down the risk of rebellion significantly, even if it was only for a minority of them.
But consumerism , the promise of ignorant bliss blinded the public lead to der untertan. Courage have been replaced with cowardice and freedoom have been replaced with submission to the insanities of post-modernism, aka "liberalism".
Fridaey13txhOktober 3 months ago
@Fridaey13txhOktober Doesn't change the fact that Rome still collapsed entirely on itself BECAUSE of itself. America is headed the same way.
SimbaFan12 3 months ago
@grunt11b Christianity has failed far worst then communism
jgroves56 3 months ago
@jgroves56 you could include many other religions in that statement :)
ddddcheaper 3 months ago
Let it be known that local communism is far different than government communism. It's a weak argument this video, for something that is about to be rammed down Americas throat.
grunt11b 3 months ago
can someone explain to me what the fuck is communism and capitalism?pardon me for my noobness
tichergeorge 3 months ago
@tichergeorge Capitalism is a profit motivated economic system (the objective is to make as much money as you can).
Communism is a socioeconomic system that operates on a system of "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" and the ultimate goal is to create a stateless, classless society.
TheCaptinLove 3 months ago
@nothernhit
Why don't you get an education you retard
TJPinoy 3 months ago
American comrades, I'm proud of you! Go out and protest, educate yourself and let the revolution broke out! American workers, fight the Bourgeoisie, not to increase your wages but so that the future society of yours will not need them!
PdP4ever 3 months ago
@PdP4ever Go fuck yourself, we are a constitutional republic, and we will fight for it, unlike your weak ass punk bitch country. We did it before, we will do it again,.
grunt11b 3 months ago
@grunt11b Who the fuck cares what is your country now? You think that (American) COMMUNISTS care about Democracy? Republic? Communists do not care about the borders. Communism is borderless. And don't call my country "weak ass punk bitch" you ignorant racist motherfucker, my country is older than yours by some 800 years, at the time when we ruled half of Europe, in your country there were Native Americans roaming around the forests of Manhattan. You prove the stereotypes.
PdP4ever 3 months ago
Salute to new pilgrimage!
gewangew 3 months ago
These people are the new pilgrims, fed up with the old regime, oligarchs ("democracy"), lies and meaninglessness of life, envisioning a meaningful and more promising future and a very different world. Except the Englanders in 17th century had a place to escape to (American continent), these have none, which may otherwise enable the birth of a much more powerful country that finally comes back to kick its mother-country's ass (the USA in this case...)
Hence the need for space exploration!!!
gewangew 3 months ago
@nothernhit
Overall I suggest you study politics before making nonsensical comments on the subject, that is unless philosophy is itself 'propaganda' to your eyes as well.
TJPinoy 3 months ago
"Totalitarian in its natures because it requires force". The use of force does iterate that the ideology is 'totalitarian in nature', your analogy might as well make the United States totalitarian since it required a violent revolution' be more specific. Socialism is an economic model not a political one and can adopted into Right-wing socialism or left-wing socialism. Nazism therefore is "right-wing socialism" since it meshes the socialist economic model to its nationalistic principles.
TJPinoy 3 months ago
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@nothernhit
No, you keep shoving your propaganda up your arse and keep it there so noone has to look at it. Social-Conservatism encourages welfare and equality but fundamentally adheres moral restrictions. The political spectrum was formulated by philosophers as a way of calculating the different political positions of ideologies. If you believe the political spectrum is a propaganda tool then you might as well put mathematics or macroeconomics on the same boat.
TJPinoy 3 months ago
@nothernhit
No, you keep shoving your propaganda up your arse and keep it there so noone has to look at it. Social-Conservatism encourages welfare and equality but fundamentally adheres moral restrictions. The political spectrum was formulated by philosophers as a way of calculating the different political positions of ideologies. If you believe the political spectrum is a propaganda tool then you might as well put mathematics or macroeconomics on the same boat.
TJPinoy 3 months ago
@nothernhit You sir are an idiot; Anarchy is far left.
TJPinoy 3 months ago
@TJPinoy I this "left" "right" is over used. Libetarism is consired right in the media but using your measure it's really left.
ubermisogynist 3 weeks ago
@nothernhit
That is not "far-right"; totalitarianism is the most far-right ideology ever conceived off. I believe you are referring to libertarianism which is Fiscally right wing and Socially left wing. In other words it embraces economic and political liberty whilst accepts socially progressive ideas (to legalize gay marriage, prostitution, abortion and eradicate censorship etc). You cannot simplify the calculation of freedom and liberties through the political spectrum.
TJPinoy 4 months ago
@nothernhit
Fiscally = Far-Left
Socially = Far-Right
They have an autarkic economic system that is controlled totally by the government (not democratically owned by the workers as stated in the Communist Manifesto). Their government though is not Communist but Totalitarian (A far-right system of government even more extreme than Nazism); the leader has TOTAL control of the country and can make you take of your clothes and jump into a pool of piranha's LEGALLY whether he wanted to or not.
TJPinoy 4 months ago
very sad people
edwards21416 4 months ago
@edwards21416
How are they sad?
amrevatel 4 months ago
I can practically smell the aroma of patchouli and unwashed feet.
marlboroman1985 4 months ago
communism is the way to go...
TheYouwontgetit 4 months ago
@TheYouwontgetit .. miserable and poor.
Re5Publica 4 months ago
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@Re5Publica ...the best way known to the human race... just look how sweden, norway, germany or france are doing and how capitalist countries like usa or latvia are doing...
TheYouwontgetit 4 months ago
I have nothing against voluntary communism, if you want to set up a commune, go right ahead. But, it doesn't surprise me that there are only 100 people there. Not many people are willing to eat boiled turnips every day and take showers only with rain water.
At the very least they don't forcibly confiscate peoples property like communist states have done.
Re5Publica 4 months ago
@Re5Publica
So have capitalist states, by the way. Seizure of property is something every type of state has done for one purpose or another. Putting an exploiter's property to good use for the public seems a lot more noble than seizing a pot-farmer's land and auctioning it off to some asshole.
amrevatel 4 months ago
@amrevatel Of course the difference is capitalist states at least respect and recognize private property, while the purpose - the raison d'etre - of a communist state is to abolish private property entirely. That's a striking difference. It's important to note that for this reason your prospects as a pot farmer are far better under a capitalist system than a communist one, and that makes your example spurious.
Re5Publica 4 months ago
@Re5Publica
Capitalist states only "respect" private property when it belongs to someone maintaining the system. Capitalism respects bourgeois property and the right to privately own the means of production and to exploit the labor of the working class through appropriating surplus for the owner. As for the example, I'll admit it was pretty spurious, but I think I can contextualize it: if he were on par with Phillip-Morris, judges would sooner rethink the law than carry it out on him.
amrevatel 4 months ago
as well meaning as the idea of isolationist communes maybe, they are just too escapist and in a way might actually be expressions of selfishness and are a stone's throw away from hippie culture and FAILING to see the bigger picture
WorldRevolutionaries 4 months ago
If communism is so great, then why do communist nations need to use machine guns and razor wire to keep their citizens from escaping?
cincyblows 4 months ago
@cincyblows That's an issue of government, not economics. Yet again you prove yourself to be an idiot. In Soviet Russia, you could leave when ever you wanted. In China, you can leave when you want, in Vietnam, you can leave when you want, in South Korea, you can leave when you want. An issue of whether you can or cannot afford to leave is on your shoulders. Communism is about hard work, and being rewarded for it. In Capitalism, you can work all you want, and get laid off. Enough said.
ItsJackDolan 4 months ago
@ItsJackDolan Look, asshole, we all know that you had to have special permission every time you left the country if you were a Russian or a Chinese citizen? As for being an idiot, that's you, you fucking moron. btw there are more Cubans living in America than there are in Cuba. Why is that, you fucking ignorant little prick?
cincyblows 4 months ago
@cincyblows You really don't understand the concept of communism, your mind has been corrupted by propaganda. You hear communism and think evil. Communism is equal distribution of wealth to all workers. Don't go off on a shit storm if you don't know that facts.
ItsJackDolan 4 months ago
@ItsJackDolan If your idea of "knowing the facts" means being brainwashed by your government masters, I'll take individual liberty anytime. Thank you for retarding your case.
cincyblows 4 months ago
@cincyblows That's good you have an opinion. But I couldn't live with myself if I was rich and there were tons of homeless people could have used all that money. I believe in sharing. I'm not greedy. I don't see how I "Retarded" my case. You stated nothing about communism, only about corrupt government and dictators.
ItsJackDolan 4 months ago
@ItsJackDolan To a great extent I'd agree with you. If I hade the money that George Soros or Bil Gates have, I'd redistribute huge chunks of it. But you'll noticve that I'd do it of my own volition rather than being forced against my will by an inept and power hungry central government.
cincyblows 4 months ago
@cincyblows You're not forced to give away money by anyone. You make the same amount of money everyone else does. But not all governments who use communism are bad. In fact you can find democratic communism in south korea. You're not forced to do anything.
ItsJackDolan 4 months ago
@ItsJackDolan Humankind isn't ready for communism because leaders are always power-hungry. Che, Stalin, Mao, Lenin, Fidel, Adolph, Benito, ad nauseam are just the tip of the iceberg. Communism is far too ideal and the thought of being ordered by the gov't to work here, live there, etc, makes me all the more determined to reject communism. I believe there are benign leaders, but precious few of them have ever been found under the communist banner.
cincyblows 4 months ago
@cincyblows Lenin was not power hungry and Hitler was not a communist. <--- not my point But you can have democratic communism, elect leaders and run the economy as a commune.
ItsJackDolan 4 months ago
@ItsJackDolan "Hitler was not a communist." No kidding. But both he and Lenin were totalitarians. Thugs driven by evil and lust for power over the masses, and lacking the sense to know how much suffering their people could ndure.
I believe in individual liberty as much as I do group liberty. When individuals feel they don't have enough freedom to make choices, they're less likely to perform well for the state.
cincyblows 4 months ago
@ItsJackDolan But, do you have any control over how those homeless people spend the money you give them? They could simply blow it on heroin, and come back to you and say "I'm out of money, comrade, I needs to eat, you got money, help a fella out?" The problem you didn't factor in, is that you could simply be subsidizing peoples irresponsible spending and behavior. You may think what you're doing is good, but is the result always what is intended?
Re5Publica 4 months ago
MTV needs to be broadcasted to those morons. :P
Voy2378 4 months ago
i want communism for mexico and to unite all the latin countries together like the ussr
aguichris 5 months ago
Woot! Communism is awesome in my eyes.
NovaJake360 5 months ago 20
@NovaJake360
have you ever lived in an ex-communist country?
vladcjskate 4 months ago