If you actualy read the constitution, and understood it, you would know that the freedom to own protery is one of the greatest freedoms. The marxist stooges here want to ensure every body has the same amount. That means if they had thier way, everyone here would lose thier property so it can be "fairly" re-distributed to who THEY think deserves it weither or not the people who get it actualy did anything to earn it. This, in history, has usualy resulted in deaths in the millions.
The small banks of ABA also received bailout money. DO YOUR RESEARCH. I worked for Heritage Bank out of Hopkinsville, KY. They are under 1 Billion in Assets. They received a sizeable bailout.
It is about time people got off the couch and protest. Stop buying from the big corporations. It is taxes that keeps feeding the international beast that is destroying real American. Not that false TV screen projection.
you are all idiots. The ABA is composed of smaller banks that didnt receive bailout money. The big banks you're mad at, that received all the money arent even at this convention.
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You can trace back most of our problems today to government intervention . . .healthcare problems due to Nixon. Most recent banking crisis - fannie, freddie, community reinvestment act
thats stupid. nixon was kissinger and rumsfeld. its the same crowd, then, later with clinton, and now. unperturbed, one administration, even as the stupid voters vote for "alternatives"
I'm all for protesting big banks, though they should direct as much of their anger at government as they do at the banks. Government REQUIRED banks to hold a certain portion of sub-prime loans. If government didn't subsidize irresponsibility we wouldn't need this regulation. The financial sector is ALREADY the regulated sector of the economy (Madoff). We don't need more rules & more government. We need more freedom and absolutely no more subsidies of irresponsibility.
Piss on the liberal/marxist scum suckers. My greatest hope is bankers begin throwing themselves out of windows only to have their fall broken by a bunch of union/acorn cocksuckers.
Folks they have you chasing strawmen. The problem is there is no money in health but lots in healthcare. There's not a cent in your cure so instead all kinds of research and machines and drugs are invented in order to "treat" you.
I don't want you to pay for my car, or those other things. AGAIN, everybody contributes to the system. Stop with the "I don't want to pay for your ins", it's a silly argument.
would you not want to pay less for quality healthcare than you do now?
I bet you don't complain about not having more "choices" in who supplies the clean water that comes out of your tap. It's safe, cheap and you don't even have to think about it. That gives you far more "freedom" than if you had to deal privately
I would love to play less but that isn't going to happen under this bill. And the quality will go down. It has to if you inject 37 million more users into the system.
It is not a silly argument. I don't want to pay for your healthcare. Just mine. Call me all the names you want but this is just the same as me paying for your car.
BTW your side says that the government will be more responsive than insurance companies. Not true. Witness the tea parties over the summer. They were almost totaly ignored and many of the representatives simply said, well I am going to do it anyway.
BTW do you support removing medicare advantage? Because its in the bill.
End Insurance Companies, end Wall Street, end greed, end fear, start with enough for all, create a real Democracy, end the war machine, create the peace economy; Monopolies are the end of civilization and even our pretend Democracy. I believe in the Constitution, Declaration of Independence the Bill of Rights and a truthful free press.
A Knight of Malta planned take down of the economy to usher in Temporal Power over all once sovereign nations. In the U.S this is also tied into their United Nations Agenda 21. The U.S is controlled from Roman sovereign, Washington D.C via the unratified 14th Amendment. The controlling force over this area and the U.S Corp is GEORGETOWN 'military fortress' UNIVERSITY and THOMAS SMOLICH SJ and his Roman counterpart leader, JAMES GRUMMER SJ. This is the Papal Bloodline control of the World!
Then why don't you fucking people go protest in front of congress, and the people that supported the bailouts. This is about one thing: shaking down banks to get a piece of the action. And we're on to you. FUCK THE SEIU! You just doing ACORN's dirty work, because they can't do it themselves now. ASTROTURF!
You mean like Bush and his administration who stole from us for 8 years, made false wars, lied, probably did 911 (ask the Scientists who agree, note Thermite and building 7 being pulled); who bailed out AIG the first time? Bush corps. Big corporations and all monopolies = no freedom.
WOO YEA U RIGHT BRO! GORGE BUSH FLEW DA PLANES INTA DA WORLD CHRADE TOWERS! YA U GETEM NIGGA! Ok, let me ask you this-- what do you want for free, and who do you want to pay for it? (btw, nothing is for free) Let me know, young child. ;-)
The govt is funded by we the people. either way we are paying for the services you mentioned. I myself would rather my money went into a system designed to help cover all americans rather than going into the personal accounts of people that make obscene amounts of money.
Big government never causes trouble unless you bring up those really rare examples like:
USSR, Red China, Pol pot, Nazi Germany, Facist Italy, Tito, Facist Spain, East Germany, Mynmar, Zimbabwea, South Africa, Saddam, North Korea, Ottoman Empire, Communist Romania, Saudi Arabia, If you ignore all of those examples....
Your the smart one are you? In the 1970's the average ceo made 40 times what the average worker made.. Now they make over 500 times what the we make. There has been a transfer of wealth from the working class to ceo's and brilliant people like yourself support it. Who's side are you on?
We never used to pay for all those services, back when things were better. I assume you are talking about the medical insurance companies. A new report out shows that they don't make "obscene" profits. They make berely 2.2% on investment. Thans not obscene amounts of profit. That is close to making a loss.
I would recommend you look at other reports.. Health ins executives make far more money than they deserve. Whats wrong with people being able to go to the doctor if they don't have any money?
"Free market" darwinism seems popular with people like yourself... Yet when americans decide we want medicare for all, you are worried about the welfare of insurance companies that have been raping us for decades..
Again, who's side are you on, we the people or they the rich?
"Free market" darwinism, ie capitalism, is what made america the richest nation in the world. I am on the side of the people to be free to make thier way any way they wish. You are on the side of state control of everything.
Regulated capitalism is what made america what we love..
Who said anything about the state controlling everything? We are talking about health care. Besides, we are the state.
I respect michael moore, but I have never been on his web site.
You have something against paying for roads, police, water ? Are you so stingy that you wouldn't want to pay for healthcare? We are all paying for it anyway. So why not make it so everyone can have it?(as all industrialized countries do) Again, we all pay.
No regulated capitalism gave us carters years. Who said anything about the state controlling everything? In the healthcare arena, you did. If you have never read his site, why are you quoting him?
Police roads and water are all common good items. Health insurance is not.
I already pay for my healthcare. I pay my own way. Whats your problem? If you wish to help others, fine. Good for you. Why would I support a dictatorial decree that FORCES me to pay other peoples bills???
We used to have unregulated business and it gave rise to labor unions because of how badly they treated the workers..
We removed regulations over the banking industry and look at the mess we are in now.
your forced to pay for the common good (as we all are) because you are part of a society.
if we had a national health care you would pay less for your health care.. Or, you could keep your existing policy.. The ins industry is not going away, especially if it is as wonderful as you believe.
Forced to pay for the common good. Thats something a dictator would say.
I know exactly how it will go if passed, it will drive most insurance companies out of business, because they can't match the government option and aren't allowed to compete with it because we, the enslaved taxpayers, will be paying to subsidize the government option. (read the bill) We will all end up on something like medicare which will suck. There is a reason more and more doctors are not taking medicaid, medicare.
"forced" and "common good" were the terms you used I just stuck them together... And yes, we as members of a society have decided to mandate that we all chip in to pay for the things that make our lives better. again, roads, schools, police ect. I like having clean water and all those other those things.
If you think it was industrialists that gave us clean air, water, food.. think again. It was we the people and "regulations" that forced those people to be good citizens. I'm done, take care.
Is that the best way you can end this? Do you really think that I want some kind of state controlled authoritarian system? The fact of the matter is our govt is exists for us. And on some levels it does much good, as the examples I mentioned. Having public healthcare is not gonna bring repressive armies into our streets.
Do I think you want a state controlled authoritarian system?? Yes, thats what is in the bill. Its not going to bring repressive armies into the street? I don't know, watch the video above.
The government doesn't exist to provide for you. They exist because they have to protect our rights under the Constitution.
Public Healthcare? You think public healthcare is so good, have seen the news, there are no swine flu shots and the government is overestimating how many there were. So much government? Government cant do anything right: can't even do a simple evacuation of people (Remember Katrina).
What you are providing is a slippery slope. Healthcare now, then free cars and gas.
What do you mean "provide for me"? We PAY for those services.. It's not free.
katrina was the result of incompetent people that chose to let the system fail, because like you, they don't believe govt has a roll so they ignored the situation then blamed "the system".
Katrina was a mess because the locals sat back and waited for the feds to come and save them. The city of new orleans alone had enough buses to get everyone out.
And Detroit. A couple of weeks ago 60,000 people lined up for hours to wait for a supposed 4000 dollar welfare stimulus check from the government but that was a big rumor spread on the radio stations. But it was an application. Someones welfare check is someone writing a check to the IRS. Did you know that welfare cases get to have free "Obama Cell Phones" which the tax payer have to foot the bill for.
NO MORE FREE RIDES FOR WELFARE CASES - RICH AND POOR
Are you a group that throws rocks at scientologists or are you a group that gets stoned with them or are you a group of scientologists that throw stones at people?
It was a clusterfuck all the way. But also how do you prepare for a disaster area the size of Great Britian? The army had to clear the roads for hundreds of miles to even get there.
I don't expect the govt "to do" things for me. If we the people decide we want safe water and electric ect coming into our homes we can demand it..because we are paying for it... the govt works for us, they don't cater to us.
Socialism in Libya allows for people to get a run down old VW, a piece of crap house etc. Some people simply do not understand how bad socialism is. You will never have the opportunity to get ahead. Those in America need to WAKE UP!! It is the govt. causing all these problems!! Govt. pushed these banks to lend to those who could not afford a home. Govt. is the cause of all our problems
The Constitution exists to limit the power of government and each branch, reserving most of the power to the states or to the people. Claiming that Congress has the power to dictate that we must buy into health insurance by claiming that all that is possible must therefore be mandatory is arguing that Congress has a dictatorial, unlimited power over every aspect of our lives.
I agree with you, I don't want to be forced to purchase a policy from a ins company. Thats not what I'm advocating for. I won't purchase a policy from an ins company.
You don't want to be "forced" into paying for national health care? Again, keep your current policy. But, it seems you are willing to "force" the majority of americans that want national healthcare to abandon their desires and pay even more for private health ins... Seems like a double standard. Don't force me and I won't force you.
Roads, Police, and Water are a State and Localized Government thing (which is under the 10th amendment in States Rights). I never have heard of a federal government controlling a local police department.
Stingy? Well I dont want to foot the bill for anybody else. Pay your own way. With that logic you present, you would be happy to pay all my student loans.
And those industrialized countries have higher tax rates.
In addition, did you check for inflation. Our money is getting worthless, and that's why everything is getting expensive. Check Gold Rate to Dollar Rate. If you want someone to blame then blame the Federal Reserve.
Why do you expect me to pay for you to go to the doctor?
What else do you want me to pay for?
Nothing in this bill addresses the cause of the high costs, it just passes the bill on to everyone. Trust me NOBODY will get healthcare if the country goes bankrupt.
Their income is essentially a percentage of newly created debt that they themselves create. When the financial markets collapse from overlending, they keep their bonuses, while the rest of the population suffers. This is what makes it different than say the income of mcdonalds executives.
I agree, the root of the problem is the federal reserve bank. They are creating money out of thin air, and giving that money to the banks while at the same time, creating money increases inflation of the currency which means the poor and middle classes are hurt much quicker through prices. A loaf of bread cost 90 cents a couple of years ago now its 2.45. Thats pure inflation!!
Do you think one health ins ceo should make 400m in one year while so many can't afford healthcare for their family? Thats what gives me the right. Who do you care more about?
We are talking about peoples health which is critical. Would I be happy to foot the bill for all the fat unhealthy people in this society, no. But, we can hammer that stuff out.
and no I don't support the govt producing cars, and tv sets ect. But I do think access to health care should be a right.
Yeah, I do think they should make money if they are bringing in business.
Health Care is a commodity not a right. Its not in the Constitution. Rights do not impose burdens on its citizens. Implementation of ObamaCare leaves a burden on people who have to pay to foot the bill for someone else. But the the right to bear arms is, but I don't see the government handing out free AK-47's to everybody.
We already have access to health care, its not like there is a shortage of hospitals or anything.
Money is power. When there is no money there is no power too. That's why there are so many people leaving the State New York because these people (ACORN, socialists, and people who think that we should have "economic justice") think that they are entitled to so many things. When did poor people offer people jobs?
If you spread the money evenly between the entire population, in less than a year you would have mostly the same people being rich again, and the same people being poor.
Government wants to provide more and more services. The more money that flows through government, the more money is available for theft by the politicians and the illuminati. That's why they're cramming obamacare down our throats using closed door congressional sessions to plan the crime.
Stop these thugs mandating this crisis! Stopping the reform at fmae, fmac! Pull all the tax money that goes to these criminals!
Now dems are expanding...EXPANDING...the Commounity Reinvestment Act to impose dysfunction, lower lending standards on the rest of the financial community...credit unions...insurance...etc
These actors are economic sabotuers!
You drag chicago into the pits but you're STILL not happy!
Excellent work! If I could still afford to live in Chicago, then I would have been there calling out "Eat the rich!" I had to stay in my rotter service community, wearing the rose-colored glasses the conservatives are always passing out here for those rich bankers.
No you are correct. The GOP umbrella is 30% rich-bitches, and the rest are all racist sexist conservative dumbasses like you gentlemen. You may note in your off-hours from laboring for your capitalist overseers, that I only referred to rich "conservatives" and not only rich "Republicans" Go to community college and learn how to read again dumbasses.
ACORN caused the financial meltdown with the Community Reinvestment Act by pressuring banks using the same bully tactics you are using and pulling the race card.
even a stoner knows better than that crap about CRA or ACORN.
If you really want to know where the financial mess began, look up Gramm/Leach/Biley - which gutted Glass Steagal and allowed 40:1 leverage limits & the slicing & dicing & re-selling of junk loans.
They knew they would be bailed out. There are a LOT of programs besides welfare they never tell you about, including free daycare for parasites who don't even work! It is a grand conspiracy on the part of these welfare leeches, that they are getting lots of free benefits that they keep quiet about. My uncle had to repair A/C at a buildiing that was just for welfare women and their massive numbers of children, with free workers. It's not advertised, it's just word-of-mouth only.
winterbach: No offense, but Congress has been on the side of the corporations that pay them since the mid-70's, when - unlike nearly every other developed nation - the US Supreme Court ruled that corporate campaign contributions were a first amendment right.
For the truthers.
The evidence for thermite is based on sulpher content in the debris. Sulpher is in wallboard. one of the most common construction materials used.
You excuse "bush did it" is over. Its now on obama.
bobjon38 2 years ago
If you actualy read the constitution, and understood it, you would know that the freedom to own protery is one of the greatest freedoms. The marxist stooges here want to ensure every body has the same amount. That means if they had thier way, everyone here would lose thier property so it can be "fairly" re-distributed to who THEY think deserves it weither or not the people who get it actualy did anything to earn it. This, in history, has usualy resulted in deaths in the millions.
bobjon38 2 years ago
FRB?? Voice is very big....
Japan yen be must most safe.
shadowz9812 2 years ago
my finger smells like butt
fobalz 2 years ago
The small banks of ABA also received bailout money. DO YOUR RESEARCH. I worked for Heritage Bank out of Hopkinsville, KY. They are under 1 Billion in Assets. They received a sizeable bailout.
mythunter3 2 years ago
stop leaving, make them drag you out !
stjimmy933499399493 2 years ago
It is about time people got off the couch and protest. Stop buying from the big corporations. It is taxes that keeps feeding the international beast that is destroying real American. Not that false TV screen projection.
tjfgermany58123 2 years ago
A verry good rhythm, impressed.
yasu726jp 2 years ago
you are all idiots. The ABA is composed of smaller banks that didnt receive bailout money. The big banks you're mad at, that received all the money arent even at this convention.
drummer2509 2 years ago
drummer2509 well said. Most people have been told this but lump all banks together. BAC is laughing all the way to the......aaa.....home.
Roy19120 2 years ago
hell yea
pruittmckean 2 years ago
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Alimaddad 2 years ago
You can trace back most of our problems today to government intervention . . .healthcare problems due to Nixon. Most recent banking crisis - fannie, freddie, community reinvestment act
JandBontherocks 2 years ago
No Jand, you are 100% incorrect. Governmental deregulation is what caused this unfettered greed by corporations.
Lodger72 2 years ago
thats stupid. nixon was kissinger and rumsfeld. its the same crowd, then, later with clinton, and now. unperturbed, one administration, even as the stupid voters vote for "alternatives"
abdighazi 2 years ago
So who said this country wasn't corrupt? LOL give people so much power, that they can do whatever the FUCK they want of course they would abuse.
I WOULD TOO, ALONG WITH 99% of the population.
friendlee2007 2 years ago
Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but with actions and in truth.1 john 3:18
Time2Repent 2 years ago
My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.
king james version
auzkid32 2 years ago
hell hath no fury like octogenarians scorned
billsh2o 2 years ago
Power to the people, right on!
SideburnerSol 2 years ago
both parties are corrupt. republicans bailed out corrupt banks, and so did the obama administration. america is dying
aiG0oChamNa 2 years ago 2
I'm all for protesting big banks, though they should direct as much of their anger at government as they do at the banks. Government REQUIRED banks to hold a certain portion of sub-prime loans. If government didn't subsidize irresponsibility we wouldn't need this regulation. The financial sector is ALREADY the regulated sector of the economy (Madoff). We don't need more rules & more government. We need more freedom and absolutely no more subsidies of irresponsibility.
RangerKozak 2 years ago
Remind me again,which party voted to bail out the banks?
feck55 2 years ago
Both parties voted to bail out banks. The Obama administration continued the bailouts and went on to bailout the car industry etc.
lyndilou0806 2 years ago
Wonder how many of these nimrods signed up for ARM's on a home they couldn't afford.
ILiveInMomsBasement 2 years ago
Piss on the liberal/marxist scum suckers. My greatest hope is bankers begin throwing themselves out of windows only to have their fall broken by a bunch of union/acorn cocksuckers.
jrinutah 2 years ago
Hitler like!
seriouslysad 2 years ago
We'll get whatever is best for the whole society. Where is your heart?
felimccabe 2 years ago
And screw the individual?
So we get what is best for the collective and the individual must bow to the needs of the state???
THAT is classic marxism.
bobjon38 2 years ago
Ahh, the greater good. I salute you Comrade!
clemlyness 2 years ago
Our corporate schools have done a good job these last 40-50 years. People have been turned and they don't have a clue that they have.
clemlyness 2 years ago
tantum fossor credo civitas
bobjon38 2 years ago
Folks they have you chasing strawmen. The problem is there is no money in health but lots in healthcare. There's not a cent in your cure so instead all kinds of research and machines and drugs are invented in order to "treat" you.
clemlyness 2 years ago
Whats next? Will I be forced to help pay for your housing, car and food, "for the common good"????
Do you know how many times in history that has been used as an excuse to create a dictatorship?
bobjon38 2 years ago
I don't want you to pay for my car, or those other things. AGAIN, everybody contributes to the system. Stop with the "I don't want to pay for your ins", it's a silly argument.
would you not want to pay less for quality healthcare than you do now?
I bet you don't complain about not having more "choices" in who supplies the clean water that comes out of your tap. It's safe, cheap and you don't even have to think about it. That gives you far more "freedom" than if you had to deal privately
jekylfoot 2 years ago
Life, liberty, pursuit of happiness and healthcare.
Haaahaaha!! That's rich.
clemlyness 2 years ago
I would love to play less but that isn't going to happen under this bill. And the quality will go down. It has to if you inject 37 million more users into the system.
It is not a silly argument. I don't want to pay for your healthcare. Just mine. Call me all the names you want but this is just the same as me paying for your car.
bobjon38 2 years ago
Collectivist ideals have always failed over time.
bobjon38 2 years ago
BTW your side says that the government will be more responsive than insurance companies. Not true. Witness the tea parties over the summer. They were almost totaly ignored and many of the representatives simply said, well I am going to do it anyway.
BTW do you support removing medicare advantage? Because its in the bill.
bobjon38 2 years ago
We need big banks broken up...break up all monopolies...let freedom ring.
utubinol 2 years ago
Which will reduce the amount of capital available for loans...
sshhheeesshhh
bobjon38 2 years ago
End Insurance Companies, end Wall Street, end greed, end fear, start with enough for all, create a real Democracy, end the war machine, create the peace economy; Monopolies are the end of civilization and even our pretend Democracy. I believe in the Constitution, Declaration of Independence the Bill of Rights and a truthful free press.
utubinol 2 years ago
Congratulations. You're a Marxist!
MrEMR1976 2 years ago
If you wrote the above post, you don't believe in freedom.
bobjon38 2 years ago
A Knight of Malta planned take down of the economy to usher in Temporal Power over all once sovereign nations. In the U.S this is also tied into their United Nations Agenda 21. The U.S is controlled from Roman sovereign, Washington D.C via the unratified 14th Amendment. The controlling force over this area and the U.S Corp is GEORGETOWN 'military fortress' UNIVERSITY and THOMAS SMOLICH SJ and his Roman counterpart leader, JAMES GRUMMER SJ. This is the Papal Bloodline control of the World!
anunnaki2006 2 years ago
OOOOKKKAAAAAYYYYY
bobjon38 2 years ago 2
lol
saved2play 2 years ago
Damn those Knights of Malta! They fuck things up every time!
Lodger72 2 years ago
Then why don't you fucking people go protest in front of congress, and the people that supported the bailouts. This is about one thing: shaking down banks to get a piece of the action. And we're on to you. FUCK THE SEIU! You just doing ACORN's dirty work, because they can't do it themselves now. ASTROTURF!
MrEMR1976 2 years ago
You mean like Bush and his administration who stole from us for 8 years, made false wars, lied, probably did 911 (ask the Scientists who agree, note Thermite and building 7 being pulled); who bailed out AIG the first time? Bush corps. Big corporations and all monopolies = no freedom.
utubinol 2 years ago
WOO YEA U RIGHT BRO! GORGE BUSH FLEW DA PLANES INTA DA WORLD CHRADE TOWERS! YA U GETEM NIGGA! Ok, let me ask you this-- what do you want for free, and who do you want to pay for it? (btw, nothing is for free) Let me know, young child. ;-)
MrEMR1976 2 years ago
A truther. All truthers are idiots.
bobjon38 2 years ago
The guy says, "we are not here to cause trouble". But then they demand the destruction of the banking industry in america.
Thats not trouble???
Liberal idiots.
bobjon38 2 years ago
Yeah lets force the banks to make MORE bad loans to acorn and seiu clients....
After all, housing is a right, isn't that correct comrade Stalin, I mean obama??
bobjon38 2 years ago
The economy was destroyed by BushCorps.
utubinol 2 years ago
No, Bush didn't destroy the economy. It is way to big for that. He damaged it and obama pushed it over the edge.
bobjon38 2 years ago
More liberal scumbags looking to steal our tax dollars.
boomcrash1 2 years ago
Who are the scumbags? The protesters or the bankers?
gmfutube 2 years ago
The protesters.
bobjon38 2 years ago
You really are confused, aren't you?
These bankers have taken $12 TRILLION from you.
These protesters are doing your ignorant ass a favor
gmfutube 2 years ago 2
I agree with you.
utubinol 2 years ago
How are they looking to steal our tax dollars?
jekylfoot 2 years ago
They want the government to pay for more and more services that USED to be paid for by people if they wanted them.
bobjon38 2 years ago
The govt is funded by we the people. either way we are paying for the services you mentioned. I myself would rather my money went into a system designed to help cover all americans rather than going into the personal accounts of people that make obscene amounts of money.
jekylfoot 2 years ago
Man, you are stupid. You think private business is greedy, but the government is altruistic? Lol, what a goddamn moron.
johnnyharpe 2 years ago
Big government never causes trouble unless you bring up those really rare examples like:
USSR, Red China, Pol pot, Nazi Germany, Facist Italy, Tito, Facist Spain, East Germany, Mynmar, Zimbabwea, South Africa, Saddam, North Korea, Ottoman Empire, Communist Romania, Saudi Arabia, If you ignore all of those examples....
bobjon38 2 years ago
Your the smart one are you? In the 1970's the average ceo made 40 times what the average worker made.. Now they make over 500 times what the we make. There has been a transfer of wealth from the working class to ceo's and brilliant people like yourself support it. Who's side are you on?
jekylfoot 2 years ago
We never used to pay for all those services, back when things were better. I assume you are talking about the medical insurance companies. A new report out shows that they don't make "obscene" profits. They make berely 2.2% on investment. Thans not obscene amounts of profit. That is close to making a loss.
bobjon38 2 years ago
A few years ago the head of travelers ins. brought in $400 million in one year. That is obscene.
jekylfoot 2 years ago
I would recommend you look at other reports.. Health ins executives make far more money than they deserve. Whats wrong with people being able to go to the doctor if they don't have any money?
jekylfoot 2 years ago
So you are willing to destroy whole industries to get those "evil" executives???
Good for you.
bobjon38 2 years ago
"Free market" darwinism seems popular with people like yourself... Yet when americans decide we want medicare for all, you are worried about the welfare of insurance companies that have been raping us for decades..
Again, who's side are you on, we the people or they the rich?
jekylfoot 2 years ago 2
"Free market" darwinism, ie capitalism, is what made america the richest nation in the world. I am on the side of the people to be free to make thier way any way they wish. You are on the side of state control of everything.
bobjon38 2 years ago
Regulated capitalism is what made america what we love..
Who said anything about the state controlling everything? We are talking about health care. Besides, we are the state.
I respect michael moore, but I have never been on his web site.
You have something against paying for roads, police, water ? Are you so stingy that you wouldn't want to pay for healthcare? We are all paying for it anyway. So why not make it so everyone can have it?(as all industrialized countries do) Again, we all pay.
jekylfoot 2 years ago
No regulated capitalism gave us carters years. Who said anything about the state controlling everything? In the healthcare arena, you did. If you have never read his site, why are you quoting him?
Police roads and water are all common good items. Health insurance is not.
I already pay for my healthcare. I pay my own way. Whats your problem? If you wish to help others, fine. Good for you. Why would I support a dictatorial decree that FORCES me to pay other peoples bills???
bobjon38 2 years ago
We used to have unregulated business and it gave rise to labor unions because of how badly they treated the workers..
We removed regulations over the banking industry and look at the mess we are in now.
your forced to pay for the common good (as we all are) because you are part of a society.
if we had a national health care you would pay less for your health care.. Or, you could keep your existing policy.. The ins industry is not going away, especially if it is as wonderful as you believe.
jekylfoot 2 years ago
Forced to pay for the common good. Thats something a dictator would say.
I know exactly how it will go if passed, it will drive most insurance companies out of business, because they can't match the government option and aren't allowed to compete with it because we, the enslaved taxpayers, will be paying to subsidize the government option. (read the bill) We will all end up on something like medicare which will suck. There is a reason more and more doctors are not taking medicaid, medicare.
bobjon38 2 years ago
That is because they can't afford to do business with that small of a payout.
Many doctors will go out of business.
bobjon38 2 years ago
"forced" and "common good" were the terms you used I just stuck them together... And yes, we as members of a society have decided to mandate that we all chip in to pay for the things that make our lives better. again, roads, schools, police ect. I like having clean water and all those other those things.
If you think it was industrialists that gave us clean air, water, food.. think again. It was we the people and "regulations" that forced those people to be good citizens. I'm done, take care.
jekylfoot 2 years ago
Actualy the common good and forced terms were on your side. We as members of society have NOT mandated a damn thing.
Okay lets agree you are for statist control of society and I am for individual responsibility and freedom.
Agreed.
See you on the battle lines.
bobjon38 2 years ago
Is that the best way you can end this? Do you really think that I want some kind of state controlled authoritarian system? The fact of the matter is our govt is exists for us. And on some levels it does much good, as the examples I mentioned. Having public healthcare is not gonna bring repressive armies into our streets.
jekylfoot 2 years ago
Do I think you want a state controlled authoritarian system?? Yes, thats what is in the bill. Its not going to bring repressive armies into the street? I don't know, watch the video above.
bobjon38 2 years ago
The government doesn't exist to provide for you. They exist because they have to protect our rights under the Constitution.
Public Healthcare? You think public healthcare is so good, have seen the news, there are no swine flu shots and the government is overestimating how many there were. So much government? Government cant do anything right: can't even do a simple evacuation of people (Remember Katrina).
What you are providing is a slippery slope. Healthcare now, then free cars and gas.
ScientologyStoners 2 years ago
What do you mean "provide for me"? We PAY for those services.. It's not free.
katrina was the result of incompetent people that chose to let the system fail, because like you, they don't believe govt has a roll so they ignored the situation then blamed "the system".
jekylfoot 2 years ago
Katrina was a mess because the locals sat back and waited for the feds to come and save them. The city of new orleans alone had enough buses to get everyone out.
bobjon38 2 years ago
And Detroit. A couple of weeks ago 60,000 people lined up for hours to wait for a supposed 4000 dollar welfare stimulus check from the government but that was a big rumor spread on the radio stations. But it was an application. Someones welfare check is someone writing a check to the IRS. Did you know that welfare cases get to have free "Obama Cell Phones" which the tax payer have to foot the bill for.
NO MORE FREE RIDES FOR WELFARE CASES - RICH AND POOR
ScientologyStoners 2 years ago
ScientologyStoners,
Are you a group that throws rocks at scientologists or are you a group that gets stoned with them or are you a group of scientologists that throw stones at people?
clemlyness 2 years ago
There was some real precision incompetence going on there. That's for certain.
clemlyness 2 years ago
It was a clusterfuck all the way. But also how do you prepare for a disaster area the size of Great Britian? The army had to clear the roads for hundreds of miles to even get there.
bobjon38 2 years ago
precision incompetence= on purpose.
clemlyness 2 years ago
people that think the government is supposed to do for them give me the heebie geebies.
clemlyness 2 years ago
I don't expect the govt "to do" things for me. If we the people decide we want safe water and electric ect coming into our homes we can demand it..because we are paying for it... the govt works for us, they don't cater to us.
jekylfoot 2 years ago 2
Yes you do, you have been demanding we pay for your healthcare all day!!!
bobjon38 2 years ago
If I'm paying the same amount as yourself into a system, how are you paying for my healthcare?
jekylfoot 2 years ago
Because I am having to pay for something I don't currently need.
No different from me paying for your car.
bobjon38 2 years ago
Lets put it this way, if the governement is paying for everyones car, do you think we get a geo or a suburban???
bobjon38 2 years ago
Socialism in Libya allows for people to get a run down old VW, a piece of crap house etc. Some people simply do not understand how bad socialism is. You will never have the opportunity to get ahead. Those in America need to WAKE UP!! It is the govt. causing all these problems!! Govt. pushed these banks to lend to those who could not afford a home. Govt. is the cause of all our problems
lyndilou0806 2 years ago
The Constitution exists to limit the power of government and each branch, reserving most of the power to the states or to the people. Claiming that Congress has the power to dictate that we must buy into health insurance by claiming that all that is possible must therefore be mandatory is arguing that Congress has a dictatorial, unlimited power over every aspect of our lives.
ScientologyStoners 2 years ago
I agree with you, I don't want to be forced to purchase a policy from a ins company. Thats not what I'm advocating for. I won't purchase a policy from an ins company.
jekylfoot 2 years ago
And trust me, you are not the state. Unless you work for the government, you are NOT the state.
bobjon38 2 years ago
I don't work for the state..
You don't want to be "forced" into paying for national health care? Again, keep your current policy. But, it seems you are willing to "force" the majority of americans that want national healthcare to abandon their desires and pay even more for private health ins... Seems like a double standard. Don't force me and I won't force you.
jekylfoot 2 years ago
I am not forcing anything on you. You want to force me to pay for your insurance.
Again very dictatorial.
No double standard there. If you don't work for the state then you are not part of the state.
You don't want to be "forced" into paying for national health care? Again, keep your current policy.
You can say that with a striaght face and have read any of the proposed bills. It is a flat out lie,.
bobjon38 2 years ago
You seem to assume I would somehow get out of paying my share of the costs for healthcare.. You would not be paying for my healthcare.
jekylfoot 2 years ago
Every taxpayer would be.
Thats what a government option is.
You didn't know that?
WOW.
bobjon38 2 years ago
Roads, Police, and Water are a State and Localized Government thing (which is under the 10th amendment in States Rights). I never have heard of a federal government controlling a local police department.
Stingy? Well I dont want to foot the bill for anybody else. Pay your own way. With that logic you present, you would be happy to pay all my student loans.
And those industrialized countries have higher tax rates.
ScientologyStoners 2 years ago
There you go, bringing up that constitution thingy.
LOL
bobjon38 2 years ago
The entire insurance industry is a glorified gambling den & the house always wins.
How about we return to the days when all but the poorest people paid their own medical bills. ?
When we were doing that, medical care was affordable for working people. (but docs & insurance pricks weren't as fabulously wealthy)
gmfutube 2 years ago
Yeah but back then they didn't have things like mri's, radiation theropy, organ transplants etc etc
But you could pay for your doctors visit in chickens and your anthesthisia was a stick between your teeth...
bobjon38 2 years ago
Here is an example of the greed:
1975- 1 epidural, labor room, vaginal delivery, 3 nights, 4 days in hospital = $650
1988 - 1 epidural, labor room, vaginal delivery, 2 days, 1 night in hospital = $12,000
Triple bypass heart - 1977 $20,000
Greed plain & simple. Doctors & hospitals started soaking those with insurance first. Now those without ins. pay more per procedure than the insured.
So if you have ins, the people without are subsidizing YOU.
gmfutube 2 years ago
In addition, did you check for inflation. Our money is getting worthless, and that's why everything is getting expensive. Check Gold Rate to Dollar Rate. If you want someone to blame then blame the Federal Reserve.
ScientologyStoners 2 years ago
120% increase in the dollar supply in the last year.
120%. Hyper-inflation is almost ensured.
bobjon38 2 years ago
Why do you expect me to pay for you to go to the doctor?
What else do you want me to pay for?
Nothing in this bill addresses the cause of the high costs, it just passes the bill on to everyone. Trust me NOBODY will get healthcare if the country goes bankrupt.
bobjon38 2 years ago
I don't expect you to pay for my doctor visits.. We ALL pay so we all can go. Just as we all pay for our roads, etc.
Do you have something against helping follow americans get their kids to the doctor even though he may have lost his job in this crap economy?
jekylfoot 2 years ago
You do expect me to pay for your doctors visit. Its the second part of your sentence.
I do not object to you freely paying for others to go to the doctor. I object to you FORCING me to do so.
BTW nice talking points from micheal moores web site.
bobjon38 2 years ago
Do you have health insurance?
If you do, then anyone who uses fewer services than you on that same plan is helping pay YOUR medical bills.
Who paid for you public school education?
HInt - a lot of people who weren't students and some who didn't even have kids.
gmfutube 2 years ago
Are you slow?
I'm advocating the elimination of all medical insurance. Let those fuckers get paid what Working people can afford.
For the truly needy we can return to community, state & charitable funded hospitals .
gmfutube 2 years ago
Jekylfoot, What gives you the right to say how much money people deserve to make?
ScientologyStoners 2 years ago
Their income is essentially a percentage of newly created debt that they themselves create. When the financial markets collapse from overlending, they keep their bonuses, while the rest of the population suffers. This is what makes it different than say the income of mcdonalds executives.
arthurd123 2 years ago
I agree, the root of the problem is the federal reserve bank. They are creating money out of thin air, and giving that money to the banks while at the same time, creating money increases inflation of the currency which means the poor and middle classes are hurt much quicker through prices. A loaf of bread cost 90 cents a couple of years ago now its 2.45. Thats pure inflation!!
ScientologyStoners 2 years ago
Thats also a result of them printing over a trillion dollars this year. The US dollar is trashed and obama parties.
bobjon38 2 years ago
How dare they force those people to sign those loans!!! They must have had guns to the heads of all those people..
oh wait, they didn't.
bobjon38 2 years ago
Do you think one health ins ceo should make 400m in one year while so many can't afford healthcare for their family? Thats what gives me the right. Who do you care more about?
We are talking about peoples health which is critical. Would I be happy to foot the bill for all the fat unhealthy people in this society, no. But, we can hammer that stuff out.
and no I don't support the govt producing cars, and tv sets ect. But I do think access to health care should be a right.
jekylfoot 2 years ago
Health care is not a right. One persons salary is no excuse to trample on everyone elses rights.
bobjon38 2 years ago
Yeah, I do think they should make money if they are bringing in business.
Health Care is a commodity not a right. Its not in the Constitution. Rights do not impose burdens on its citizens. Implementation of ObamaCare leaves a burden on people who have to pay to foot the bill for someone else. But the the right to bear arms is, but I don't see the government handing out free AK-47's to everybody.
We already have access to health care, its not like there is a shortage of hospitals or anything.
ScientologyStoners 2 years ago
When income distribution becomes seriously skewed with most of the wealth in the hands of the few, then you have NO freedoms.
Don't you get that?
You have only the freedoms your wealthy corporate masters allow you to have.
Even kings knew that they must be not only powerful, but richer than any subject.
Money is Power & most of the money in a few hands means most of the power.
gmfutube 2 years ago
Money is power. When there is no money there is no power too. That's why there are so many people leaving the State New York because these people (ACORN, socialists, and people who think that we should have "economic justice") think that they are entitled to so many things. When did poor people offer people jobs?
The rich didn't get rich because they are stupid.
ScientologyStoners 2 years ago
Money doesn't mean freedom.
If you spread the money evenly between the entire population, in less than a year you would have mostly the same people being rich again, and the same people being poor.
bobjon38 2 years ago
These protesters have said nothing about more services. Where do you get such stupid shit?
It is the BANKERS who have raped you to the tune of $12 Trillion - plus interest on the money you borrowed to lend them.
gmfutube 2 years ago
Government wants to provide more and more services. The more money that flows through government, the more money is available for theft by the politicians and the illuminati. That's why they're cramming obamacare down our throats using closed door congressional sessions to plan the crime.
TiredOldFart 2 years ago
Get the Jews out of all American financial institutions.
WorldIslamicOrder 2 years ago
When I watch TV now, I play "Count The Jews". They are now 25% of all the shows.
johnnyharpe 2 years ago
Thats for the standard liberal blast of racism.
bobjon38 2 years ago
Hold seiu, ACORN and their cronies responsible!
DODD!
FRank!
WATERS!
OBAMA!
The rest!
Stop these thugs mandating this crisis! Stopping the reform at fmae, fmac! Pull all the tax money that goes to these criminals!
Now dems are expanding...EXPANDING...the Commounity Reinvestment Act to impose dysfunction, lower lending standards on the rest of the financial community...credit unions...insurance...etc
These actors are economic sabotuers!
You drag chicago into the pits but you're STILL not happy!
vllmer 2 years ago 2
Excellent work! If I could still afford to live in Chicago, then I would have been there calling out "Eat the rich!" I had to stay in my rotter service community, wearing the rose-colored glasses the conservatives are always passing out here for those rich bankers.
oldParasiteSingle 2 years ago
Oh brother! As if anyone is still buying your fairy tale about the Republicans being the party of the rich, and the Democrats are not, lol.
johnnyharpe 2 years ago
Why get off your lazy ass and get a fucking job you freak'n parasite! You fucking bleeders of the system make me laugh.
Let Darwin do his thing and die already... the world doesn't need tose who won't care for themselves and only complain about others.
CHANGEtheIdiot 2 years ago
Amen to that, let the parasites starve. No one in my family ever got a dime for anything.
johnnyharpe 2 years ago
No you are correct. The GOP umbrella is 30% rich-bitches, and the rest are all racist sexist conservative dumbasses like you gentlemen. You may note in your off-hours from laboring for your capitalist overseers, that I only referred to rich "conservatives" and not only rich "Republicans" Go to community college and learn how to read again dumbasses.
oldParasiteSingle 2 years ago
ACORN caused the financial meltdown with the Community Reinvestment Act by pressuring banks using the same bully tactics you are using and pulling the race card.
ScientologyStoners 2 years ago
even a stoner knows better than that crap about CRA or ACORN.
If you really want to know where the financial mess began, look up Gramm/Leach/Biley - which gutted Glass Steagal and allowed 40:1 leverage limits & the slicing & dicing & re-selling of junk loans.
gmfutube 2 years ago
Its writen into the CRA.
bobjon38 2 years ago
And no one is going to jail for all that fraud! Where is the media? Oh, that's right, the joos run the media.
johnnyharpe 2 years ago
All you do with these astroturf protest is to try to get a piece of the pie which you are trying to take from the banks.
TO THE POOR: READ THE CONTRACT's before you SIGN THE DOTTED LINE. IF YOU CANT HIRE AN ATTORNEY
ScientologyStoners 2 years ago
They knew they would be bailed out. There are a LOT of programs besides welfare they never tell you about, including free daycare for parasites who don't even work! It is a grand conspiracy on the part of these welfare leeches, that they are getting lots of free benefits that they keep quiet about. My uncle had to repair A/C at a buildiing that was just for welfare women and their massive numbers of children, with free workers. It's not advertised, it's just word-of-mouth only.
johnnyharpe 2 years ago
Oh so the poor have a first grade education too ?
DavidAKZ 2 years ago
cool!
deanybeany87 2 years ago
shit i could hear these protests out of my window about a block and a half away... now i know what that racket was... good job y'all!
SnorklinWithCudas 2 years ago
Yeah great... more fucking bleeders of the system... If the WORKED half as hard as they complain they'd be rich too!
CHANGEtheIdiot 2 years ago
Awesome job guys! Well done!!
TheRamenAvenger 2 years ago 2
its time! long past time!
tripeboi 2 years ago 3
When Representative democracy fails, nonviolent civil disobedience, boycotts, and other direct action are all that's left.
Congratulations to these people who have the courage to do something other other than watch TV and whine.
icaruspnw 2 years ago 5
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bseven54 2 years ago
Bust up the big banks! What side is our Congress on?
winterbach 2 years ago 4
winterbach: No offense, but Congress has been on the side of the corporations that pay them since the mid-70's, when - unlike nearly every other developed nation - the US Supreme Court ruled that corporate campaign contributions were a first amendment right.
icaruspnw 2 years ago 2
Yeah lets destroy the american economic system, that will make things better...
rolls eyes...
bobjon38 2 years ago