The Tsem Tulku Organization runs wwwdorjeshugdencom, they are also the ones dropping DS pamphlets all over Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. People who leave the organization or otherwise find out their secret are subject to abuse and death threats. Kechara House is a dangerous cult that has betrayed His Holiness the Dalai Lama, the Tibetan Community, and most of all, Gaden Shartse Monastery. Please circulate this information far and wide.
The story is still very much alive today. There are important people nowadays among Tibetans who associate the State Oracle's repeated fateful pronouncements also at the origin of the Dorje Shugden defamation with Nyagtul's tragic assassination.
@dragonthunder2010 wow does this mean that people often confuse Dorje Shugden with Nyagtul, and think they are the same being? These are totally different stories... !! it seems quite dangerous how people just get their facts so jumbled and false rumours can then start about something totally unrelated.
Close to the end, Nyagtul is said to have uttered, "This government has killed me although I am free from guilt. I shall take my revenge on it, just wait and see!" Thus arose the belief that occasionally, during the invocations of the State Oracle, Nyagtul's spirit enters the oracle's body instead of the deity Nechung to give the government disastrous advice.
The Thirteenth Dalai Lama's youth and his friend Nyagtul, a Nyingma master, were accused of resorting to black magic against the Thirteenth Dalai Lama. Demo Rinpoche died in a prison cell so small, one could not lie down in it. Nyagtul had the skin torn from his chest, the chest ripped open while still alive, and tied to a post on the circular path for circumambulating Lhasa , he was left there exposed to people's mockery and to die a slow excruciating death.
Where was the state oracle at the crucial moment in 1959. Tt was thanks to Dorje Shugdens urging that HHDL escaped last minute, using a route that had been kept free by Khampa guerilla (as adviced by Dorje Shugden two years previously)? Apparently, Nechungs repeated advice was for His Holiness to stay in the land! Not only that, but a vengeful spirit is suspected to impersonate Nechung at times and give false advice.
Read more at dorje shugden (dot) com fwd slash supramundane (dot) htm
by the way, for starters, check out the many incredible biographies of great DS practitioners and high Lamas on the dorjeshugden website - dorjeshugden-dot-com
Very inspiring accounts of their lives, practice and huge contribution to making Dharma grow in the world and bringing Dharma to people everywhere.
These masters show us that in spite of so much difficulty, they never give up their practice and maintain so much incredible faith and strength.
@TheRedNiece I'd just like to add to that, a nice starting point is Dromo Geshe Rinpoche's biography. It's a bit long but it's so nice to read about the one who was called "Lama Tsongkhapa himself" by the 13th Dalai Lama. It's a pity Ursula Bernis was never able to finish the biography of this great master. He must have made such an impact on the local area for people to recite his name alongside Chenrezig's mantra.
The invasion matches what's happening actually. Through great pain to Tibetans, the rest of the world benefited from the purest Buddhadharma. In this instance, through pain to the Tibetans again, the rest of the world benefits from DS practice spreading. I'm NOT saying that suffering to Tibetans is necessary for Buddhism to spread; I'm just drawing parallels to another situation whereby great pain led to great benefit...in this case, the pain is being caused by the Tibetan people's own leader.
@DharmaDefender and also, there are many DS practitioners who have suffered tremendously but also arisen out of the ashes like great phoenixes to begin anew - such as the great monastic communities of Serpom and Shar Gaden monasteries.
They show us how we can grow even stronger and hold our practices even more closely even in the face of such incredible opposition and difficulty.
The only thing the ban has achieved is give the media a reason to bring up a spiritual topic in their news every single time they talk about HHDL. It is for that reason that DS's practice is spreading outside of Tibet...just like Buddhism spread outside of Tibet once the Chinese invaded. Without the invasion, many people would not have gained the benefits of the pure teachings of Tsongkhapa, or met beneficial lamas like Lama Yeshe who did much to spread Buddhism and was a DS practitioner.
I'm not suggesting that we follow our gurus blindly because we cannot judge their motivations, but we need to consider the bigger picture. What caused the ban? Supposedly DS is a spirit and will harm the Dalai Lama's life. But the Dalai Lama is an emanation of a Buddha, how can he be harmed by just a spirit? What is the result of the ban? Well, it's definitely not harming DS - so many lamas have tried since the time of the Fifth Dalai Lama, to kill DS and he still exists!
How do we know DS and HHDL and Nechung aren't working hand-in-hand to orchestrate this whole thing? After all, for everything that HHDL and Nechung have done to DS, his name still exists and in fact, it's growing bigger and bigger. There are many many things our gurus don't tell us about because we are not ready to hear it, or it is not the right time for us to know about it, and this may be one of those instances. There is a very good commentary about this on tinyurl{DOT}com{SLASH}y8ar2dg
Hence it confuses me why people always says DS and Nechung are at odds with one another, or that Nechung is jealous of DS. If Nechung created DS, what's he got to be jealous about? Both are dharma protectors working towards the same thing...there is no competition! Consulting Nechung is consulting DS. How do we know he and Nechung aren't working hand-in-hand to orchestrate this whole thing?
Dragpa Gyaltsen said yes, he remembered the promise that he made but wondered how he could become a being of wrath when he had removed all anger from his mindstream. Nechung said don't worry, he will create the causes...hence he manifested the murder (you can read more about it at dorjeshugden{DOT}com{SLASH}lineage{DOT}htm). To me, it's a great example of how Protectors and enlightened beings work together to spread the dharma.
@DharmaDefender You are too cute.. i love the way you wrote about "Dragpa Gyaltsen said yes, he remembered the promise that he made but wondered how he could become a being of wrath when he had removed all anger from his mindstream. Nechung said don't worry, he will create the causes...hence he manifested the murder."
Perhaps you should write a book about Dorje Shugden's history.
I read on dorjeshugden{DOT}com that DS was created by Nechung. When Duldzin Dragpa Gyaltsen was receiving teachings from Je Tsongkhapa, Nechung manifested as a white dove and requested him to become a protector. Later, as Tulku Dragpa Gyaltsen, Nechung reappeared and reminded Dragpa Gyaltsen of his promise.
Very well shot video. Fantastic to see the oracle with that incredible head-dress. I hear that because of the weight of the headdress, it would normally have snapped the head of the oracle if he wasn't channelling. see more info on oracles at dorjeshugden(dot) com
Dalai lama wants a democratic system for Tibetans.
Yet what democratic leader would say that a certain group may not join his public talks due to their religious orientation?
Imagine if Obama said all jews cannot attend his public talks because they don't accept Christ? That could never happen.
So If Dalai lama wishes to emulate G-7 democratic leadership, he has to stop ostracizing anyone even if they practice Dorje Shugden. Ghost or not..simple.
Pelden Hlamo, Kalarupa, Mahakala are fierce, with bloodshot eyes, wearing bone ornaments, trampling or riding over blood, humans, gods and the like. They are near naked, dark in color and have fangs.
Many countries, religions and ignorant ppl would consider them evil or demonic in nature.
Certainly they take on that appearance. So why should we be shocked if some ppl believe Dorje Shugden to be not sacred and holy?
Just continue your practice what you feel is right for YOU.
The state protector Nechung is unable to help the Dalai Lama gain autonomy or freedom for Tibet.
The Tibetan Govt should invoke the Dorje Shugden protector, apologize and ask his help and seek his advice.
Dorje Shugden is a very powerful being that can be a great ally, friend and help to the Dalai Lama. Dalai Lama needs all the friends he can get both human and non-human.
The state protector Nechung is unable to help the Dalai Lama gain autonomy or freedom for Tibet.
The Tibetan Govt should invoke the Dorje Shugden protector, apologize and ask his help and seek his advice.
Dorje Shugden is a very powerful being that can be a great ally, friend and help to the Dalai Lama. Dalai Lama needs all the friends he can get both human and non-human.
Pelden Hlamo, Kalarupa, Mahakala are fierce, with bloodshot eyes, wearing bone ornaments, trampling or riding over blood, humans, gods and the like. They are near naked, dark in color and have fangs.
Many countries, religions and ignorant ppl would consider them evil or demonic in nature.
Certainly they take on that appearance. So why should we be shocked if some ppl believe Dorje Shugden to be not sacred and holy?
Just continue your practice what you feel is right for YOU.
"Exile from the Land of Snows" and read the chapter 'Wheel of protection' where it says clearly the origin of Nechung and that he was an evil spirit that did not want buddhism to take root in Tibet.
This book is forwarded by Dalai Lama himself.
Have to becareful of Nechung. He has given many inaccurate information/prophecies in the past.
the Dalai Lama has been remarkably nepotistic, appointing members of his family to many positions of prominence. In recent years, three of the six members of the Kashag, or cabinet, the highest executive branch of the Tibetan government-in-exile, have been close relatives of the Dalai Lama.
From our history and live experiences we know it, we can't worship this evil spirit otherwise, there is no differences between Buddhsim and other religions such as Dau Relgion or Hindu...or other religion who worship with kind of spirit which is not enlightened at all!! That is really dangerous ..if we take refugeed with that kind of spirit,then what to do ?are you gonna end up like them??? That is why H.H warns us so many times....pls be careful and as the real Buddhsits not to worship at all.
No democratic leader in the world today would condemn or stop any form of religious worship.
Even the Pope dare not speak against other religions anymore.
Today's world leaders must show acceptance and tolerance of all forms of worship even the worship of Dorje Shugden.
The Dharamsala Tibetan Govt only has a few years left and they are on the decline. Their existence depends on Dalai Lama. Once he passes,THEY ARE FINISHED.
I advise them to stop all this anti shugden rhetoric.
Right now, who cares about the result of court In India. What H.H's concern is? Are we in danger when his people worship this eveil sprit..Yes...that is sure.therefore, he has been told many people as many as possible to keep away from this evil because persoanlly, her got the experience and made the mistake so....he told us the truth...why should we take it as appreciation and follow what H.H's warning words..so we won't be in that kind of circustances which he had been suffering through.
Any democratic country in this world today allows full religious freedom to their citizens.
All forms of worship are protected under the law.
But the Dalai lama bans this Dorje Shugden form of worship in Tibet. To many scholars, leaders, professionals and educated people, they find the ban unconstitutional and very backwards.
Hence many have taken to the streets to protest peacefully against the Dalai Lama. They are not happy to do so, but no choice. Can see protests on the youtube.
As you are a Tibetan or you have been studying Tibetan Buddhism. You should have known...what is the reason H.H ban that evil spirit...just like in Taiwan or ancient China, our ancestors worshiped with local god or any spirit whichever can protected them or benefit or satisfied with worldly need they worshiped them well and offered incenses....But that is not the true Buddhsim and not Enlightenment Rmember H.H Dalai Lama wants us become Buddhas eventually.worship that being won't become Buddha!
Bodhisattva Manjushri has thousands of emanations to benefit sentient beings at different times, places and karmic affinities.
Dorje Shugden is an emanation of Manjushri.
Dorje Shugden is practiced by many high lamas for hundreds of years. Even the previous Panchen Rinpoche of Tibet practices and has a large chapel till now dedicated to Dorje Shugden in Tashilunpo Monastery Tibet.
If you need help, or have danger or need protection, Dorje Shugden is swift and quick.
wtf don't even try to make up stories. stfu n go to hell. Shugden follower r nothing but a politicized piece of shitt who run their home on CCP payroll.
There are few websites available of this great Bodhisattva in protective form Dorje Shugden.
You can do a search and on these websites you will find short and beneficial prayers to this supreme Dharma protector practice that is growing bigger year by year as people experience the benefits more and more.
See this website for prayers, information and updates:
Indian High court in New Delhi is summoning Dalai Lama to court due to his unconstitutional ban on the ancient practice of Dorje Shugden on his own people.
In India where there are so many religions and their subsects, it is unheard of that a secular/religious leader can issue such a ban.
It has shocked the Indian psyche.
Preliminary hearings have began.
Aljazeera news has a special report. It is posted on the youtube.
No democratic leader in the world today would condemn or stop any form of religious worship.
Even the Pope dare not speak against other religions anymore.
Today's world leaders must show acceptance and tolerance of all forms of worship even the worship of Dorje Shugden.
The Dharamsala Tibetan Govt only has a few years left and they are on the decline. Their existence depends on Dalai Lama. Once he passes,THEY ARE FINISHED.
I advise them to stop all this anti shugden rhetoric.
buddha nature is NOT impermanent! you do not understand what buddha nature means. please do not make such foolish and rash statements of something you do not understand.
I have asked the question before to Khensur Kangyurwa Rinpoche (ex-abbot of sera -je) that Buddha nature has been desrcibed before as inherent or permenant where as its is taught that everything is impermanent, why was there this seemingly contradictory statements? His reply was that the aggregates of Buddha nature themselves where impermanent and the inherentness of Buddha nature was its emptiness. Im not saying buddha nature does not exsist as an underlying fundamental nature of mind.
Im not trying to make anyone angry and we souldn't just lash out at someone if we think they are wrong maybe an explination of what you think can help. after all im just a beginner and i find it unlikely that you have never said something yourself that may have been wrong. where not enlightened beings so please be kind and suppportive whilst trying to simply learn.
sorry if my statement sounded reprimanding, it was not my intention. i just wanted to state a clear fact that although many know the terms "emptiness" and "buddha nature," it is actually more difficult to fully comprehend its true meaning and it cannot be clearly defined. Buddha nature is the inherent abilities or possibilities of aggregates, in other words, emptiness, as most people understand it. it is the nature of this emptiness that is unchanging in the midst of impermanence.
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Dear all,
If you are not such a great practitioner but are sincere yet encounter many obstacles that pour down like summer rain, then it is time to propitiate the supermundane Dharma protector Dorje Shugden.
He is known to be super fast, quick, and although enlightened emanate in worldy form to be closer to us. Daily do serkym, praise, and mantras to him and trust, then see things change. See!
His holy mantra OM BENZA WIKI WITRANA SOHA!! Chant this daily and with confidence.
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HH the 5th and 14th Dalai Lamas BOTH have composed prayers to praise and propitiate Dorje Shugden? Were they wrong? Were they unenlightened when they composed it?
Dalai Lama's gurus have praised and written prayers/rituals/rites to Dorje Shugden saying he is a Buddha.
The most elite and highest of Gelug Lamas such as Panchen Rinpoche all have and still are worshipping Dorje Shugden.
The practice of Dorje Shugden has become big and international. HH Dalai Lama made that happen.
"The practice of Dorje Shugden has become big and international. HH Dalai Lama made that happen." forgive my ignorance, but if Dorje Shugden IS in fact a Buddha, he won't need Dalai Lama to make ANYTHING happen for him, no? or maybe it's just your use of words that made me misunderstand. secondly, just because the Dalai Lama or other gurus praise another, how am I to trust their judgment that it's a fact? is it by their social standing? their abilities? conduct? should i see proof?
Scotland and Ireland have their own parliament, the problem with Tibet is that it is a rich country with little military power, and China is a country with lots of military power.
when European countries went to war with all the other countries, it was before democracy, when they still burnt people, when they still used to throw poo in the streets...
in the modern world, Native Americans, Scottish people, Australian aborigines, all have own government, religious freedom, freedom of expression
The spirit Nechung is evil and unenlightened. Why does the Tibetan Govt use him to fortell the future. Many decisions are made based on him entering a medium and speaking. Why dont we take refuge in Buddha and rely on him. Why evil spirit Nechung??
The thing is Lord Buddha didn't just introduce Buddhism to rely on him instead he wants us to rabidly mastered it and help both ourselves and every human being to the next level which is nirvana and for a ignorant like you it's totally not your cup of tea to understand the philosophy of ultimate truth. I'm proud that Tibetan Buddhism has reached this far that we even have Medium who protects us and fortunate to have so many high Lamas..
The state oracle of Tibet (nechung) is an evil spirit sworn to help. But his origins are originally evil. NO Buddhist is allowed to take refuge in him, or pray to him or even keep him on the alter together with images of enlightened beings such as Buddha shakyamuni...so the question is, why then is he so propitiated to the point of worship within the tibetan exile govt till now.
He has made many predictions regarding tibet getting it's freedom and it is still not free. What happened?
Hummmmmmmmmmm I believe lord of lord; Lord Shiva did used but the herb ones. Its call "GANJA" Sorry drugs aren't necessary for the state of oracle. You are far behind the spirituality! :P LOL
That day wasn't different from any other I had in last month. Then that after noon somehow Tibet came to my thoughts. I decided to go there for vacation soon. I don't know what beckon me to the land of deprived freedom, rights and Atheism. I am yet to enjoy the charisma of land under the shadow,
wow! how slow is youtube getting? I've noticed that since Google took over the show it's been getting choppier and much slower. Are they outsourcing now? I've been waiting 10 minutes for this to download and it still hasn't done it! Anyone know of any other video site that hasn't sold out to Google?
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The Tsem Tulku Organization runs wwwdorjeshugdencom, they are also the ones dropping DS pamphlets all over Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. People who leave the organization or otherwise find out their secret are subject to abuse and death threats. Kechara House is a dangerous cult that has betrayed His Holiness the Dalai Lama, the Tibetan Community, and most of all, Gaden Shartse Monastery. Please circulate this information far and wide.
ivivism 10 months ago
1959 escape was predicted by the cia
eastern2western 1 year ago
Listen up! Some incredible news: The UNMISTAKEN INCARNATION OF Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen is back among us!!! Looks like they couldn't kill him after all!
See the full story on dorjeshugden ( dot) com and be inspired by the might of the enlightened mind!
TheRedNiece 1 year ago
Dont understand why the Tibethan monks with their high spiritual practice have to resort to a medium for their oracles...???
pat2698 1 year ago
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zippystyle511 1 year ago
Adorable
migatoyyo 1 year ago
The story is still very much alive today. There are important people nowadays among Tibetans who associate the State Oracle's repeated fateful pronouncements also at the origin of the Dorje Shugden defamation with Nyagtul's tragic assassination.
dragonthunder2010 1 year ago
@dragonthunder2010 wow does this mean that people often confuse Dorje Shugden with Nyagtul, and think they are the same being? These are totally different stories... !! it seems quite dangerous how people just get their facts so jumbled and false rumours can then start about something totally unrelated.
TheRedNiece 1 year ago
Close to the end, Nyagtul is said to have uttered, "This government has killed me although I am free from guilt. I shall take my revenge on it, just wait and see!" Thus arose the belief that occasionally, during the invocations of the State Oracle, Nyagtul's spirit enters the oracle's body instead of the deity Nechung to give the government disastrous advice.
dragonthunder2010 1 year ago
The Thirteenth Dalai Lama's youth and his friend Nyagtul, a Nyingma master, were accused of resorting to black magic against the Thirteenth Dalai Lama. Demo Rinpoche died in a prison cell so small, one could not lie down in it. Nyagtul had the skin torn from his chest, the chest ripped open while still alive, and tied to a post on the circular path for circumambulating Lhasa , he was left there exposed to people's mockery and to die a slow excruciating death.
dragonthunder2010 1 year ago
Where was the state oracle at the crucial moment in 1959. Tt was thanks to Dorje Shugdens urging that HHDL escaped last minute, using a route that had been kept free by Khampa guerilla (as adviced by Dorje Shugden two years previously)? Apparently, Nechungs repeated advice was for His Holiness to stay in the land! Not only that, but a vengeful spirit is suspected to impersonate Nechung at times and give false advice.
Read more at dorje shugden (dot) com fwd slash supramundane (dot) htm
dragonthunder2010 1 year ago
by the way, for starters, check out the many incredible biographies of great DS practitioners and high Lamas on the dorjeshugden website - dorjeshugden-dot-com
Very inspiring accounts of their lives, practice and huge contribution to making Dharma grow in the world and bringing Dharma to people everywhere.
These masters show us that in spite of so much difficulty, they never give up their practice and maintain so much incredible faith and strength.
TheRedNiece 1 year ago
@TheRedNiece I'd just like to add to that, a nice starting point is Dromo Geshe Rinpoche's biography. It's a bit long but it's so nice to read about the one who was called "Lama Tsongkhapa himself" by the 13th Dalai Lama. It's a pity Ursula Bernis was never able to finish the biography of this great master. He must have made such an impact on the local area for people to recite his name alongside Chenrezig's mantra.
DharmaDefender 1 year ago
People revert to insults when they cannot provide logic...and debate without logic, is not debate at all :)
DharmaDefender 1 year ago
The invasion matches what's happening actually. Through great pain to Tibetans, the rest of the world benefited from the purest Buddhadharma. In this instance, through pain to the Tibetans again, the rest of the world benefits from DS practice spreading. I'm NOT saying that suffering to Tibetans is necessary for Buddhism to spread; I'm just drawing parallels to another situation whereby great pain led to great benefit...in this case, the pain is being caused by the Tibetan people's own leader.
DharmaDefender 1 year ago
Dharmadefender is a Chinese 50-center, his words are pure commie bullshit
TheRandomGrabber 1 year ago
@DharmaDefender and also, there are many DS practitioners who have suffered tremendously but also arisen out of the ashes like great phoenixes to begin anew - such as the great monastic communities of Serpom and Shar Gaden monasteries.
They show us how we can grow even stronger and hold our practices even more closely even in the face of such incredible opposition and difficulty.
TheRedNiece 1 year ago
The only thing the ban has achieved is give the media a reason to bring up a spiritual topic in their news every single time they talk about HHDL. It is for that reason that DS's practice is spreading outside of Tibet...just like Buddhism spread outside of Tibet once the Chinese invaded. Without the invasion, many people would not have gained the benefits of the pure teachings of Tsongkhapa, or met beneficial lamas like Lama Yeshe who did much to spread Buddhism and was a DS practitioner.
DharmaDefender 1 year ago
I'm not suggesting that we follow our gurus blindly because we cannot judge their motivations, but we need to consider the bigger picture. What caused the ban? Supposedly DS is a spirit and will harm the Dalai Lama's life. But the Dalai Lama is an emanation of a Buddha, how can he be harmed by just a spirit? What is the result of the ban? Well, it's definitely not harming DS - so many lamas have tried since the time of the Fifth Dalai Lama, to kill DS and he still exists!
DharmaDefender 1 year ago
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How do we know DS and HHDL and Nechung aren't working hand-in-hand to orchestrate this whole thing? After all, for everything that HHDL and Nechung have done to DS, his name still exists and in fact, it's growing bigger and bigger. There are many many things our gurus don't tell us about because we are not ready to hear it, or it is not the right time for us to know about it, and this may be one of those instances. There is a very good commentary about this on tinyurl{DOT}com{SLASH}y8ar2dg
DharmaDefender 1 year ago
Hence it confuses me why people always says DS and Nechung are at odds with one another, or that Nechung is jealous of DS. If Nechung created DS, what's he got to be jealous about? Both are dharma protectors working towards the same thing...there is no competition! Consulting Nechung is consulting DS. How do we know he and Nechung aren't working hand-in-hand to orchestrate this whole thing?
DharmaDefender 1 year ago
Dragpa Gyaltsen said yes, he remembered the promise that he made but wondered how he could become a being of wrath when he had removed all anger from his mindstream. Nechung said don't worry, he will create the causes...hence he manifested the murder (you can read more about it at dorjeshugden{DOT}com{SLASH}lineage{DOT}htm). To me, it's a great example of how Protectors and enlightened beings work together to spread the dharma.
DharmaDefender 1 year ago
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@DharmaDefender You are too cute.. i love the way you wrote about "Dragpa Gyaltsen said yes, he remembered the promise that he made but wondered how he could become a being of wrath when he had removed all anger from his mindstream. Nechung said don't worry, he will create the causes...hence he manifested the murder."
Perhaps you should write a book about Dorje Shugden's history.
wisdombeing 1 year ago
I read on dorjeshugden{DOT}com that DS was created by Nechung. When Duldzin Dragpa Gyaltsen was receiving teachings from Je Tsongkhapa, Nechung manifested as a white dove and requested him to become a protector. Later, as Tulku Dragpa Gyaltsen, Nechung reappeared and reminded Dragpa Gyaltsen of his promise.
DharmaDefender 1 year ago
Very well shot video. Fantastic to see the oracle with that incredible head-dress. I hear that because of the weight of the headdress, it would normally have snapped the head of the oracle if he wasn't channelling. see more info on oracles at dorjeshugden(dot) com
wisdombeing 1 year ago
Dalai lama wants a democratic system for Tibetans.
Yet what democratic leader would say that a certain group may not join his public talks due to their religious orientation?
Imagine if Obama said all jews cannot attend his public talks because they don't accept Christ? That could never happen.
So If Dalai lama wishes to emulate G-7 democratic leadership, he has to stop ostracizing anyone even if they practice Dorje Shugden. Ghost or not..simple.
Democracy for all!
truth1888 2 years ago
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Pelden Hlamo, Kalarupa, Mahakala are fierce, with bloodshot eyes, wearing bone ornaments, trampling or riding over blood, humans, gods and the like. They are near naked, dark in color and have fangs.
Many countries, religions and ignorant ppl would consider them evil or demonic in nature.
Certainly they take on that appearance. So why should we be shocked if some ppl believe Dorje Shugden to be not sacred and holy?
Just continue your practice what you feel is right for YOU.
truth1888 2 years ago
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The state protector Nechung is unable to help the Dalai Lama gain autonomy or freedom for Tibet.
The Tibetan Govt should invoke the Dorje Shugden protector, apologize and ask his help and seek his advice.
Dorje Shugden is a very powerful being that can be a great ally, friend and help to the Dalai Lama. Dalai Lama needs all the friends he can get both human and non-human.
truth1888 2 years ago
truth 1888
Why don t you shut up for a change, you stupid fake.
Varavaken 2 years ago
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No matter how much the Tibetan govt has done rituals, ceremonies and pujas to destroy, bind, or kill Dorje Shugden they are not able to.
It is amazing how many times they have tried. They have called high lamas from all Schools of Buddhism to eradicate Dorje Shugden yet they cannot.
What does that tell you, that they don't have enough power combined together against one Dorje Shugden?
Simple. Dorje Shugden is a Buddha and cannot be destroyed.
truth1888 2 years ago
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The state protector Nechung is unable to help the Dalai Lama gain autonomy or freedom for Tibet.
The Tibetan Govt should invoke the Dorje Shugden protector, apologize and ask his help and seek his advice.
Dorje Shugden is a very powerful being that can be a great ally, friend and help to the Dalai Lama. Dalai Lama needs all the friends he can get both human and non-human.
truth1888 2 years ago
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Pelden Hlamo, Kalarupa, Mahakala are fierce, with bloodshot eyes, wearing bone ornaments, trampling or riding over blood, humans, gods and the like. They are near naked, dark in color and have fangs.
Many countries, religions and ignorant ppl would consider them evil or demonic in nature.
Certainly they take on that appearance. So why should we be shocked if some ppl believe Dorje Shugden to be not sacred and holy?
Just continue your practice what you feel is right for YOU.
truth1888 2 years ago
If Nechung has so much power, then Tibet would be Free by now.
If Nechung is so powerful, then Tibet would have never lost Tibet to China in the first place.
Since Nechung is the state protector of Tibet and it's govt, he didn't do a good job to protect Tibet at all.
Dalai lama is already in his 70's and there is no sign of Tibetan Freedom.
We Tibetan youths are tired of waiting and do not believe in Nechung and his supposed power.
After Dalai Lama dies, bye bye to Tibet.
truth1888 2 years ago
Nechung IS NOT A ENLIGHTENED BEING.
He is a worldy being who was evil and against the advent of Buddhism to Tibet.
He has jealousy, moody and made many mistakes in his prophecies because he does not have unlimited clairvoyance.
Must be careful of him. Dalai lama says don't worship or rely on worldy deities. That is great. So stop relying on Nechung then. Follow what you say.
truth1888 2 years ago
We don't threat him as enlightened being or never regard him!
Ganeschar 1 year ago
If the Dalai Lama can use Nechung who is a worldly spirit and evil in origin, what level does that bring Buddhism to ??
Since he can propititiate and encourage others toward Nechung, he should not speak about Lord Dorje Shugden.
Dorje Shugden is the protector of Dalai lama's root teacher and lineage teachers. How can Dalai Lama's own gurus be wrong?
Even Ling Rinpoche has composed serkym to Dorje Shugden.
So If Dalai Lama Teacher worships Shugden, then Shugden is perfectly fine.
truth1888 2 years ago
Read the book by John Avedon called
"Exile from the Land of Snows" and read the chapter 'Wheel of protection' where it says clearly the origin of Nechung and that he was an evil spirit that did not want buddhism to take root in Tibet.
This book is forwarded by Dalai Lama himself.
Have to becareful of Nechung. He has given many inaccurate information/prophecies in the past.
truth1888 2 years ago
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the Dalai Lama has been remarkably nepotistic, appointing members of his family to many positions of prominence. In recent years, three of the six members of the Kashag, or cabinet, the highest executive branch of the Tibetan government-in-exile, have been close relatives of the Dalai Lama.
hisphoninesss 2 years ago
Dorje Chugden is not a protector but destroyer of buddhism. It came from a false aspiration and its purpose is destruction.
Stop propagating and stop destroying buddhism and Dalai lama name in the name of devil worship.
Being a head of tibetan buddhism Dalai lama requested tibetan people not ordered. there is a difference between request and ordered.
Tibetan govt in exile is a fully funtional democratic govt. puppet of Kesang gyatso. stop destryoing buddhism please
dokpabhu 2 years ago
For the first time in the history of the line of 14 Dalai Lamas to appear, this current one must go to court in India.
There is a slight delay in the hearing because court wants Dalai Lama to appear in person. DL's lawyers wish to send a substitue to speak for DL.
So far a hearing has commenced by no verdict yet.
Dalai Lama should never ban/restrict any type of religious practice especially in his host country.
Read up more on dorjeshugden (dot)com website.
truth1888 2 years ago
Are you a member of the EVIL communist party ???
Free China from LIVE Organ Harvesting
ChinaKillsTibetans 2 years ago
From our history and live experiences we know it, we can't worship this evil spirit otherwise, there is no differences between Buddhsim and other religions such as Dau Relgion or Hindu...or other religion who worship with kind of spirit which is not enlightened at all!! That is really dangerous ..if we take refugeed with that kind of spirit,then what to do ?are you gonna end up like them??? That is why H.H warns us so many times....pls be careful and as the real Buddhsits not to worship at all.
Basudarini 2 years ago
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No democratic leader in the world today would condemn or stop any form of religious worship.
Even the Pope dare not speak against other religions anymore.
Today's world leaders must show acceptance and tolerance of all forms of worship even the worship of Dorje Shugden.
The Dharamsala Tibetan Govt only has a few years left and they are on the decline. Their existence depends on Dalai Lama. Once he passes,THEY ARE FINISHED.
I advise them to stop all this anti shugden rhetoric.
truth1888 2 years ago
The ban on Dorje Shugden is against the Indian constitution.
The govt of India has remained quiet for sometime. But now the Dalai Lama is being asked to go to New Dehi High Court.
The Dalai Is being charged with banning religious freedom.
In a country like Indian where peaceful communal living is based on respect of everyone's form of worship, the Dalai Lama's ban is wrong.
The court's decision will come out this year as it is being heard.
truth1888 2 years ago
Right now, who cares about the result of court In India. What H.H's concern is? Are we in danger when his people worship this eveil sprit..Yes...that is sure.therefore, he has been told many people as many as possible to keep away from this evil because persoanlly, her got the experience and made the mistake so....he told us the truth...why should we take it as appreciation and follow what H.H's warning words..so we won't be in that kind of circustances which he had been suffering through.
Basudarini 2 years ago
Any democratic country in this world today allows full religious freedom to their citizens.
All forms of worship are protected under the law.
But the Dalai lama bans this Dorje Shugden form of worship in Tibet. To many scholars, leaders, professionals and educated people, they find the ban unconstitutional and very backwards.
Hence many have taken to the streets to protest peacefully against the Dalai Lama. They are not happy to do so, but no choice. Can see protests on the youtube.
truth1888 2 years ago
As you are a Tibetan or you have been studying Tibetan Buddhism. You should have known...what is the reason H.H ban that evil spirit...just like in Taiwan or ancient China, our ancestors worshiped with local god or any spirit whichever can protected them or benefit or satisfied with worldly need they worshiped them well and offered incenses....But that is not the true Buddhsim and not Enlightenment Rmember H.H Dalai Lama wants us become Buddhas eventually.worship that being won't become Buddha!
Basudarini 2 years ago
Bodhisattva Manjushri has thousands of emanations to benefit sentient beings at different times, places and karmic affinities.
Dorje Shugden is an emanation of Manjushri.
Dorje Shugden is practiced by many high lamas for hundreds of years. Even the previous Panchen Rinpoche of Tibet practices and has a large chapel till now dedicated to Dorje Shugden in Tashilunpo Monastery Tibet.
If you need help, or have danger or need protection, Dorje Shugden is swift and quick.
See his prayer
truth1888 2 years ago
wtf don't even try to make up stories. stfu n go to hell. Shugden follower r nothing but a politicized piece of shitt who run their home on CCP payroll.
loveudrogba 2 years ago
There are few websites available of this great Bodhisattva in protective form Dorje Shugden.
You can do a search and on these websites you will find short and beneficial prayers to this supreme Dharma protector practice that is growing bigger year by year as people experience the benefits more and more.
See this website for prayers, information and updates:
dorjeshugden (dot) com
truth1888 2 years ago
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THE DALAI LAMA IS GOING TO COURT!!
Indian High court in New Delhi is summoning Dalai Lama to court due to his unconstitutional ban on the ancient practice of Dorje Shugden on his own people.
In India where there are so many religions and their subsects, it is unheard of that a secular/religious leader can issue such a ban.
It has shocked the Indian psyche.
Preliminary hearings have began.
Aljazeera news has a special report. It is posted on the youtube.
Get Updated!
truth1888 2 years ago
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No democratic leader in the world today would condemn or stop any form of religious worship.
Even the Pope dare not speak against other religions anymore.
Today's world leaders must show acceptance and tolerance of all forms of worship even the worship of Dorje Shugden.
The Dharamsala Tibetan Govt only has a few years left and they are on the decline. Their existence depends on Dalai Lama. Once he passes,THEY ARE FINISHED.
I advise them to stop all this anti shugden rhetoric.
iwannaberich2007 2 years ago
Ha Ha Ha Ha Good joke iwannaberich2007
buddhafollower 3 years ago
Everything is impermanent...Only Buddha nature remains ...
0cogi 3 years ago 6
buddha nature is actually impermanent its emptiness remains.
hearer87 3 years ago
buddha nature is NOT impermanent! you do not understand what buddha nature means. please do not make such foolish and rash statements of something you do not understand.
bessfriend 3 years ago
I have asked the question before to Khensur Kangyurwa Rinpoche (ex-abbot of sera -je) that Buddha nature has been desrcibed before as inherent or permenant where as its is taught that everything is impermanent, why was there this seemingly contradictory statements? His reply was that the aggregates of Buddha nature themselves where impermanent and the inherentness of Buddha nature was its emptiness. Im not saying buddha nature does not exsist as an underlying fundamental nature of mind.
hearer87 3 years ago
Im not trying to make anyone angry and we souldn't just lash out at someone if we think they are wrong maybe an explination of what you think can help. after all im just a beginner and i find it unlikely that you have never said something yourself that may have been wrong. where not enlightened beings so please be kind and suppportive whilst trying to simply learn.
hearer87 3 years ago
sorry if my statement sounded reprimanding, it was not my intention. i just wanted to state a clear fact that although many know the terms "emptiness" and "buddha nature," it is actually more difficult to fully comprehend its true meaning and it cannot be clearly defined. Buddha nature is the inherent abilities or possibilities of aggregates, in other words, emptiness, as most people understand it. it is the nature of this emptiness that is unchanging in the midst of impermanence.
bessfriend 2 years ago
thats exactly right....
hearer87 2 years ago
Looking into tibet and its culture is like looking into the golden age on earth, A time that one day will become again.
Om mani padme OM.
sheraton114 3 years ago 2
OM AH HUNG VAJRA GURU PADMA SIDDHI HUNG
Sherab0 3 years ago
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Dear all,
If you are not such a great practitioner but are sincere yet encounter many obstacles that pour down like summer rain, then it is time to propitiate the supermundane Dharma protector Dorje Shugden.
He is known to be super fast, quick, and although enlightened emanate in worldy form to be closer to us. Daily do serkym, praise, and mantras to him and trust, then see things change. See!
His holy mantra OM BENZA WIKI WITRANA SOHA!! Chant this daily and with confidence.
iwannaberich2007 3 years ago
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HH the 5th and 14th Dalai Lamas BOTH have composed prayers to praise and propitiate Dorje Shugden? Were they wrong? Were they unenlightened when they composed it?
Dalai Lama's gurus have praised and written prayers/rituals/rites to Dorje Shugden saying he is a Buddha.
The most elite and highest of Gelug Lamas such as Panchen Rinpoche all have and still are worshipping Dorje Shugden.
The practice of Dorje Shugden has become big and international. HH Dalai Lama made that happen.
iwannaberich2007 3 years ago
"The practice of Dorje Shugden has become big and international. HH Dalai Lama made that happen." forgive my ignorance, but if Dorje Shugden IS in fact a Buddha, he won't need Dalai Lama to make ANYTHING happen for him, no? or maybe it's just your use of words that made me misunderstand. secondly, just because the Dalai Lama or other gurus praise another, how am I to trust their judgment that it's a fact? is it by their social standing? their abilities? conduct? should i see proof?
bessfriend 2 years ago
FREE TIBETANS!
Endrato 3 years ago 8
Please google ""Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth" by Michael Parenti" .
For more, you can google "How China Got Religion" By SLAVOJ ZIZEK, published on The New York Times
On youtube, search "Tibet Diary"
Those are all documentaries.
____I am seeking for truth, all truth, nothing but truth.______
merilynye 3 years ago
FREE TIBET
Endrato 3 years ago 3
I heard that Chairman Mao used to have 4 17-year-old girls lick him clean instead of having a shower.-it might be true!lol:)
zimant78 3 years ago
Scotland and Ireland have their own parliament, the problem with Tibet is that it is a rich country with little military power, and China is a country with lots of military power.
when European countries went to war with all the other countries, it was before democracy, when they still burnt people, when they still used to throw poo in the streets...
in the modern world, Native Americans, Scottish people, Australian aborigines, all have own government, religious freedom, freedom of expression
zimant78 3 years ago
see the truth about nechung on dorjeshugden(dot)com. This website has up to date, clear information based on scriptural research. Take a look.
dharmalover2008 3 years ago
The spirit Nechung is evil and unenlightened. Why does the Tibetan Govt use him to fortell the future. Many decisions are made based on him entering a medium and speaking. Why dont we take refuge in Buddha and rely on him. Why evil spirit Nechung??
frozbyte23 3 years ago
The thing is Lord Buddha didn't just introduce Buddhism to rely on him instead he wants us to rabidly mastered it and help both ourselves and every human being to the next level which is nirvana and for a ignorant like you it's totally not your cup of tea to understand the philosophy of ultimate truth. I'm proud that Tibetan Buddhism has reached this far that we even have Medium who protects us and fortunate to have so many high Lamas..
Tsomo143 3 years ago
The state oracle of Tibet (nechung) is an evil spirit sworn to help. But his origins are originally evil. NO Buddhist is allowed to take refuge in him, or pray to him or even keep him on the alter together with images of enlightened beings such as Buddha shakyamuni...so the question is, why then is he so propitiated to the point of worship within the tibetan exile govt till now.
He has made many predictions regarding tibet getting it's freedom and it is still not free. What happened?
happynews2009 4 years ago
Just a Chinese slave holder!No human rights to him!
blayto 4 years ago
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Dalaï Lama ,haha,fuck!
blayto 4 years ago
human rights in tibet!
china wake up
STEonSK8 4 years ago
FREE TIBET
THANKS for the posting
We all love the DALAI LAMA and TIBET
* Es lebe der DALIA LAMA *
Nektar22 4 years ago 2
no drugs used?
ttashit 4 years ago 2
Hummmmmmmmmmm I believe lord of lord; Lord Shiva did used but the herb ones. Its call "GANJA" Sorry drugs aren't necessary for the state of oracle. You are far behind the spirituality! :P LOL
Tsomo143 4 years ago 2
yes the oracle medium gets drunk on beer first.
sidhaguru 4 years ago
Not mon drugs?
ttashit 4 years ago
pewah is a demon,i dont think demons tell the truth for a bit of food and drink,demons always lie.
sidhaguru 4 years ago
That day wasn't different from any other I had in last month. Then that after noon somehow Tibet came to my thoughts. I decided to go there for vacation soon. I don't know what beckon me to the land of deprived freedom, rights and Atheism. I am yet to enjoy the charisma of land under the shadow,
I will be there one day for sure.
WideShutWideOpen 4 years ago
Wow, this is great. Such a pity Tibet is lost for the Dalai Lama, he's such a great person.
Thanks for posting
arafel1964 4 years ago
(Nechung and Palden Lhamo) the protector of (Dalai Lama and Tibet)<3<3<3<3
Tsomo143 4 years ago
FREE TIBET
EKSEGAL 4 years ago
I have always been fascinated with the Nechung oracle. Thanks for posting the clip.
eugyal 4 years ago
wow! how slow is youtube getting? I've noticed that since Google took over the show it's been getting choppier and much slower. Are they outsourcing now? I've been waiting 10 minutes for this to download and it still hasn't done it! Anyone know of any other video site that hasn't sold out to Google?
cheesphht 4 years ago
This is an excellent view of an increadible culture
maymar8888 4 years ago
Are you sure this isn't some Pentacostal revival? wink
amisamiamiam 4 years ago