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  • 1959 escape was predicted by the cia

  • Listen up! Some incredible news: The UNMISTAKEN INCARNATION OF Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen is back among us!!! Looks like they couldn't kill him after all!

    See the full story on dorjeshugden ( dot) com and be inspired by the might of the enlightened mind!

  • Dont understand why the Tibethan monks with their high spiritual practice have to resort to a medium for their oracles...???

  • Adorable

  • The story is still very much alive today. There are important people nowadays among Tibetans who associate the State Oracle's repeated fateful pronouncements also at the origin of the Dorje Shugden defamation with Nyagtul's tragic assassination.

  • @dragonthunder2010 wow does this mean that people often confuse Dorje Shugden with Nyagtul, and think they are the same being? These are totally different stories... !! it seems quite dangerous how people just get their facts so jumbled and false rumours can then start about something totally unrelated.

  • Close to the end, Nyagtul is said to have uttered, "This government has killed me although I am free from guilt. I shall take my revenge on it, just wait and see!" Thus arose the belief that occasionally, during the invocations of the State Oracle, Nyagtul's spirit enters the oracle's body instead of the deity Nechung to give the government disastrous advice.

  • The Thirteenth Dalai Lama's youth and his friend Nyagtul, a Nyingma master, were accused of resorting to black magic against the Thirteenth Dalai Lama. Demo Rinpoche died in a prison cell so small, one could not lie down in it. Nyagtul had the skin torn from his chest, the chest ripped open while still alive, and tied to a post on the circular path for circumambulating Lhasa , he was left there exposed to people's mockery and to die a slow excruciating death.

  • Where was the state oracle at the crucial moment in 1959. Tt was thanks to Dorje Shugdens urging that HHDL escaped last minute, using a route that had been kept free by Khampa guerilla (as adviced by Dorje Shugden two years previously)? Apparently, Nechungs repeated advice was for His Holiness to stay in the land! Not only that, but a vengeful spirit is suspected to impersonate Nechung at times and give false advice.

    Read more at dorje shugden (dot) com fwd slash supramundane (dot) htm

  • by the way, for starters, check out the many incredible biographies of great DS practitioners and high Lamas on the dorjeshugden website - dorjeshugden-dot-com

    Very inspiring accounts of their lives, practice and huge contribution to making Dharma grow in the world and bringing Dharma to people everywhere.

    These masters show us that in spite of so much difficulty, they never give up their practice and maintain so much incredible faith and strength.

  • @TheRedNiece I'd just like to add to that, a nice starting point is Dromo Geshe Rinpoche's biography. It's a bit long but it's so nice to read about the one who was called "Lama Tsongkhapa himself" by the 13th Dalai Lama. It's a pity Ursula Bernis was never able to finish the biography of this great master. He must have made such an impact on the local area for people to recite his name alongside Chenrezig's mantra.

  • People revert to insults when they cannot provide logic...and debate without logic, is not debate at all :)

  • The invasion matches what's happening actually. Through great pain to Tibetans, the rest of the world benefited from the purest Buddhadharma. In this instance, through pain to the Tibetans again, the rest of the world benefits from DS practice spreading. I'm NOT saying that suffering to Tibetans is necessary for Buddhism to spread; I'm just drawing parallels to another situation whereby great pain led to great benefit...in this case, the pain is being caused by the Tibetan people's own leader.

  • Dharmadefender is a Chinese 50-center, his words are pure commie bullshit

  • @DharmaDefender and also, there are many DS practitioners who have suffered tremendously but also arisen out of the ashes like great phoenixes to begin anew - such as the great monastic communities of Serpom and Shar Gaden monasteries.

    They show us how we can grow even stronger and hold our practices even more closely even in the face of such incredible opposition and difficulty.

  • The only thing the ban has achieved is give the media a reason to bring up a spiritual topic in their news every single time they talk about HHDL. It is for that reason that DS's practice is spreading outside of Tibet...just like Buddhism spread outside of Tibet once the Chinese invaded. Without the invasion, many people would not have gained the benefits of the pure teachings of Tsongkhapa, or met beneficial lamas like Lama Yeshe who did much to spread Buddhism and was a DS practitioner.

  • I'm not suggesting that we follow our gurus blindly because we cannot judge their motivations, but we need to consider the bigger picture. What caused the ban? Supposedly DS is a spirit and will harm the Dalai Lama's life. But the Dalai Lama is an emanation of a Buddha, how can he be harmed by just a spirit? What is the result of the ban? Well, it's definitely not harming DS - so many lamas have tried since the time of the Fifth Dalai Lama, to kill DS and he still exists!

  • Hence it confuses me why people always says DS and Nechung are at odds with one another, or that Nechung is jealous of DS. If Nechung created DS, what's he got to be jealous about? Both are dharma protectors working towards the same thing...there is no competition! Consulting Nechung is consulting DS. How do we know he and Nechung aren't working hand-in-hand to orchestrate this whole thing?

  • Dragpa Gyaltsen said yes, he remembered the promise that he made but wondered how he could become a being of wrath when he had removed all anger from his mindstream. Nechung said don't worry, he will create the causes...hence he manifested the murder (you can read more about it at dorjeshugden{DOT}com{SLASH}lin­eage{DOT}htm). To me, it's a great example of how Protectors and enlightened beings work together to spread the dharma.

  • I read on dorjeshugden{DOT}com that DS was created by Nechung. When Duldzin Dragpa Gyaltsen was receiving teachings from Je Tsongkhapa, Nechung manifested as a white dove and requested him to become a protector. Later, as Tulku Dragpa Gyaltsen, Nechung reappeared and reminded Dragpa Gyaltsen of his promise.

  • Very well shot video. Fantastic to see the oracle with that incredible head-dress. I hear that because of the weight of the headdress, it would normally have snapped the head of the oracle if he wasn't channelling. see more info on oracles at dorjeshugden(dot) com

  • Dalai lama wants a democratic system for Tibetans.

    Yet what democratic leader would say that a certain group may not join his public talks due to their religious orientation?

    Imagine if Obama said all jews cannot attend his public talks because they don't accept Christ? That could never happen.

    So If Dalai lama wishes to emulate G-7 democratic leadership, he has to stop ostracizing anyone even if they practice Dorje Shugden. Ghost or not..simple.

    Democracy for all!

  • truth 1888

    Why don t you shut up for a change, you stupid fake.

  • If Nechung has so much power, then Tibet would be Free by now.

    If Nechung is so powerful, then Tibet would have never lost Tibet to China in the first place.

    Since Nechung is the state protector of Tibet and it's govt, he didn't do a good job to protect Tibet at all.

    Dalai lama is already in his 70's and there is no sign of Tibetan Freedom.

    We Tibetan youths are tired of waiting and do not believe in Nechung and his supposed power.

    After Dalai Lama dies, bye bye to Tibet.

  • Nechung IS NOT A ENLIGHTENED BEING.

    He is a worldy being who was evil and against the advent of Buddhism to Tibet.

    He has jealousy, moody and made many mistakes in his prophecies because he does not have unlimited clairvoyance.

    Must be careful of him. Dalai lama says don't worship or rely on worldy deities. That is great. So stop relying on Nechung then. Follow what you say.

  • We don't threat him as enlightened being or never regard him!

  • If the Dalai Lama can use Nechung who is a worldly spirit and evil in origin, what level does that bring Buddhism to ??

    Since he can propititiate and encourage others toward Nechung, he should not speak about Lord Dorje Shugden.

    Dorje Shugden is the protector of Dalai lama's root teacher and lineage teachers. How can Dalai Lama's own gurus be wrong?

    Even Ling Rinpoche has composed serkym to Dorje Shugden.

    So If Dalai Lama Teacher worships Shugden, then Shugden is perfectly fine.

  • Read the book by John Avedon called

    "Exile from the Land of Snows" and read the chapter 'Wheel of protection' where it says clearly the origin of Nechung and that he was an evil spirit that did not want buddhism to take root in Tibet.

    This book is forwarded by Dalai Lama himself.

    Have to becareful of Nechung. He has given many inaccurate information/prophecies in the past.

  • Dorje Chugden is not a protector but destroyer of buddhism. It came from a false aspiration and its purpose is destruction.

    Stop propagating and stop destroying buddhism and Dalai lama name in the name of devil worship.

    Being a head of tibetan buddhism Dalai lama requested tibetan people not ordered. there is a difference between request and ordered.

    Tibetan govt in exile is a fully funtional democratic govt. puppet of Kesang gyatso. stop destryoing buddhism please

  • For the first time in the history of the line of 14 Dalai Lamas to appear, this current one must go to court in India.

    There is a slight delay in the hearing because court wants Dalai Lama to appear in person. DL's lawyers wish to send a substitue to speak for DL.

    So far a hearing has commenced by no verdict yet.

    Dalai Lama should never ban/restrict any type of religious practice especially in his host country.

    Read up more on dorjeshugden (dot)com website.

  • Are you a member of the EVIL communist party ???

    Free China from LIVE Organ Harvesting

  • From our history and live experiences we know it, we can't worship this evil spirit otherwise, there is no differences between Buddhsim and other religions such as Dau Relgion or Hindu...or other religion who worship with kind of spirit which is not enlightened at all!! That is really dangerous ..if we take refugeed with that kind of spirit,then what to do ?are you gonna end up like them??? That is why H.H warns us so many times....pls be careful and as the real Buddhsits not to worship at all.

  • The ban on Dorje Shugden is against the Indian constitution.

    The govt of India has remained quiet for sometime. But now the Dalai Lama is being asked to go to New Dehi High Court.

    The Dalai Is being charged with banning religious freedom.

    In a country like Indian where peaceful communal living is based on respect of everyone's form of worship, the Dalai Lama's ban is wrong.

    The court's decision will come out this year as it is being heard.

  • Right now, who cares about the result of court In India. What H.H's concern is? Are we in danger when his people worship this eveil sprit..Yes...that is sure.therefore, he has been told many people as many as possible to keep away from this evil because persoanlly, her got the experience and made the mistake so....he told us the truth...why should we take it as appreciation and follow what H.H's warning words..so we won't be in that kind of circustances which he had been suffering through.

  • Any democratic country in this world today allows full religious freedom to their citizens.

    All forms of worship are protected under the law.

    But the Dalai lama bans this Dorje Shugden form of worship in Tibet. To many scholars, leaders, professionals and educated people, they find the ban unconstitutional and very backwards.

    Hence many have taken to the streets to protest peacefully against the Dalai Lama. They are not happy to do so, but no choice. Can see protests on the youtube.

  • As you are a Tibetan or you have been studying Tibetan Buddhism. You should have known...what is the reason H.H ban that evil spirit...just like in Taiwan or ancient China, our ancestors worshiped with local god or any spirit whichever can protected them or benefit or satisfied with worldly need they worshiped them well and offered incenses....But that is not the true Buddhsim and not Enlightenment Rmember H.H Dalai Lama wants us become Buddhas eventually.worship that being won't become Buddha!

  • Bodhisattva Manjushri has thousands of emanations to benefit sentient beings at different times, places and karmic affinities.

    Dorje Shugden is an emanation of Manjushri.

    Dorje Shugden is practiced by many high lamas for hundreds of years. Even the previous Panchen Rinpoche of Tibet practices and has a large chapel till now dedicated to Dorje Shugden in Tashilunpo Monastery Tibet.

    If you need help, or have danger or need protection, Dorje Shugden is swift and quick.

    See his prayer

  • wtf don't even try to make up stories. stfu n go to hell. Shugden follower r nothing but a politicized piece of shitt who run their home on CCP payroll.

  • There are few websites available of this great Bodhisattva in protective form Dorje Shugden.

    You can do a search and on these websites you will find short and beneficial prayers to this supreme Dharma protector practice that is growing bigger year by year as people experience the benefits more and more.

    See this website for prayers, information and updates:

    dorjeshugden (dot) com

  • Ha Ha Ha Ha Good joke iwannaberich2007

  • Everything is impermanent...Only Buddha nature remains ...

  • buddha nature is actually impermanent its emptiness remains.

  • buddha nature is NOT impermanent! you do not understand what buddha nature means. please do not make such foolish and rash statements of something you do not understand.

  • I have asked the question before to Khensur Kangyurwa Rinpoche (ex-abbot of sera -je) that Buddha nature has been desrcibed before as inherent or permenant where as its is taught that everything is impermanent, why was there this seemingly contradictory statements? His reply was that the aggregates of Buddha nature themselves where impermanent and the inherentness of Buddha nature was its emptiness. Im not saying buddha nature does not exsist as an underlying fundamental nature of mind.

  • Im not trying to make anyone angry and we souldn't just lash out at someone if we think they are wrong maybe an explination of what you think can help. after all im just a beginner and i find it unlikely that you have never said something yourself that may have been wrong. where not enlightened beings so please be kind and suppportive whilst trying to simply learn.

  • sorry if my statement sounded reprimanding, it was not my intention. i just wanted to state a clear fact that although many know the terms "emptiness" and "buddha nature," it is actually more difficult to fully comprehend its true meaning and it cannot be clearly defined. Buddha nature is the inherent abilities or possibilities of aggregates, in other words, emptiness, as most people understand it. it is the nature of this emptiness that is unchanging in the midst of impermanence.

  • thats exactly right....

  • Looking into tibet and its culture is like looking into the golden age on earth, A time that one day will become again.

    Om mani padme OM.

  • OM AH HUNG VAJRA GURU PADMA SIDDHI HUNG

  • "The practice of Dorje Shugden has become big and international. HH Dalai Lama made that happen." forgive my ignorance, but if Dorje Shugden IS in fact a Buddha, he won't need Dalai Lama to make ANYTHING happen for him, no? or maybe it's just your use of words that made me misunderstand. secondly, just because the Dalai Lama or other gurus praise another, how am I to trust their judgment that it's a fact? is it by their social standing? their abilities? conduct? should i see proof?

  • FREE TIBETANS!

  • Please google ""Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth" by Michael Parenti" .

    For more, you can google "How China Got Religion" By SLAVOJ ZIZEK, published on The New York Times

    On youtube, search "Tibet Diary"

    Those are all documentaries.

    ____I am seeking for truth, all truth, nothing but truth.______

  • FREE TIBET

  • I heard that Chairman Mao used to have 4 17-year-old girls lick him clean instead of having a shower.-it might be true!lol:)

  • Scotland and Ireland have their own parliament, the problem with Tibet is that it is a rich country with little military power, and China is a country with lots of military power.

    when European countries went to war with all the other countries, it was before democracy, when they still burnt people, when they still used to throw poo in the streets...

    in the modern world, Native Americans, Scottish people, Australian aborigines, all have own government, religious freedom, freedom of expression

  • see the truth about nechung on dorjeshugden(dot)com. This website has up to date, clear information based on scriptural research. Take a look.

  • The spirit Nechung is evil and unenlightened. Why does the Tibetan Govt use him to fortell the future. Many decisions are made based on him entering a medium and speaking. Why dont we take refuge in Buddha and rely on him. Why evil spirit Nechung??

  • The thing is Lord Buddha didn't just introduce Buddhism to rely on him instead he wants us to rabidly mastered it and help both ourselves and every human being to the next level which is nirvana and for a ignorant like you it's totally not your cup of tea to understand the philosophy of ultimate truth. I'm proud that Tibetan Buddhism has reached this far that we even have Medium who protects us and fortunate to have so many high Lamas..

  • The state oracle of Tibet (nechung) is an evil spirit sworn to help. But his origins are originally evil. NO Buddhist is allowed to take refuge in him, or pray to him or even keep him on the alter together with images of enlightened beings such as Buddha shakyamuni...so the question is, why then is he so propitiated to the point of worship within the tibetan exile govt till now.

    He has made many predictions regarding tibet getting it's freedom and it is still not free. What happened?

  • Just a Chinese slave holder!No human rights to him!

  • human rights in tibet!

    china wake up

  • FREE TIBET

    THANKS for the posting

    We all love the DALAI LAMA and TIBET

    * Es lebe der DALIA LAMA *

  • no drugs used?

  • Hummmmmmmmmmm I believe lord of lord; Lord Shiva did used but the herb ones. Its call "GANJA" Sorry drugs aren't necessary for the state of oracle. You are far behind the spirituality! :P LOL

  • yes the oracle medium gets drunk on beer first.

  • Not mon drugs?

  • pewah is a demon,i dont think demons tell the truth for a bit of food and drink,demons always lie.

  • That day wasn't different from any other I had in last month. Then that after noon somehow Tibet came to my thoughts. I decided to go there for vacation soon. I don't know what beckon me to the land of deprived freedom, rights and Atheism. I am yet to enjoy the charisma of land under the shadow,

    I will be there one day for sure.

  • Wow, this is great. Such a pity Tibet is lost for the Dalai Lama, he's such a great person.

    Thanks for posting

  • (Nechung and Palden Lhamo) the protector of (Dalai Lama and Tibet)<3<3<3<3

  • FREE TIBET

  • I have always been fascinated with the Nechung oracle. Thanks for posting the clip.

  • wow! how slow is youtube getting? I've noticed that since Google took over the show it's been getting choppier and much slower. Are they outsourcing now? I've been waiting 10 minutes for this to download and it still hasn't done it! Anyone know of any other video site that hasn't sold out to Google?

  • This is an excellent view of an increadible culture

  • Are you sure this isn't some Pentacostal revival? wink

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