I think this guy watched a few judo and bjj videos and decided he could teach them in class, awful posture / balance, you'd get countered in all of these techniques with the least effort
I think it is erronious, almost to the point of moronic, to say that "UFC is watered down.." In fact, it cuts through all the BS martial artists (traditional martial artists, purists) have been brainwashing their students for years with. I would bet any UFC fighter, not even talking world champion, can DESTROY ANY HIGH RANKING MASTER AND GRANDMASTER in a NO RULES fight. So far, no master of any martial art had the balls to step into the ring. A handful did and all lost.
@BushidoCode72 Hey man, the two most well-known masters of Systema, Mikhail Ryabko and Vladimir Vasiliev, have had an open door policy on challenge matches for as long as they have been teaching. That means anyone can go in to their schools, ask for a test, and they will be granted a test in the form of a friendly (or maybe even not-so-friendly) sparring match. Why don't the UFC fighters have the balls to show up and test them out?.
@stthomasaquarius This guy must have watched some BJJ DVDs or had some BJJ training. It's Blue Belt level BJJ stuff. It is not Sambo and it is not Judo and it is not wrestling. I think he had some bjj grappling background and now connected that to Systema. Which , is great.
@BushidoCode72 This is an independent art which is distinct from BJJ and Sambo. There will always be similarities, becase there are only so many ways to move and control human bodies on the ground.
@HughSlaman I actually trained in Systama and BJJ, and Sambo. I know Systema ground fighting looks different. I DO KNOW that Systema is different than BJJ and Sambo. But can you tell me with 100 percent confidence that the instructor in the video had ZERO BJJ or SAMBO or JUDO training? I doubt it. What if you turned on a BJJ video and they were clearly moving like Systema practitioners...against a knife attack for example. Andclaimed it was BJJ knife defenses? You would see through them right?
@BushidoCode72 I don't really worry about such matters. I am too interested in figuring out what aspects of these martial arts will bring out the best in myself and others. Systema does not focus on techniques as such, but on principles of movement in response to violence. Some things in BJJ fit that approach, and some things do not. The key difference between Systema and other martial arts is the approach to training: in Systema, the goal is *adaptability* to all kinds of problems.
fuck guys, when you're fighting somebody are you all really concerned with all that watered down UFC stuff? don't get me wrong I love watching two grown men manhandle themselves in an octagon just as much as the next guy. If someone were to pin you chances are you'd get under their ribs or grind the hip bones togeather or just punch them in the dick if you've really got nothing left (only a small chance thats going to work though. :P) whatever. its just You Tube.
but without the the focus on each technique or names of techniques but overall concepts of movement and focus on breathing,mainly from the core of the body
@tungusodessa Systema is a system that allows you to apply your fighting style to it, without using a buttload of energy. BJJ, though impressive, uses up a lot of energy to succeed in pinning or disabling an opponent.
@Unitzero25 That's actually not true. Watch some of Royce Gracies early fights in the UFC. You can see him stay calm, relaxed and expend very little energy as he works into position and submits the other fighters. That, is a key to understanding BJJ.
@tungusodessa Systema is a martial art system, not a style, It had it's own development, It isn't a mixture of styles. It has sambo in it. if you like to compare it. Systema was rediscovered to put it someway by the Spetnasz. Russian special forces. But it is a very old fighting discipline. It has more to do with good body mechanics, relaxation, attitude, psichology. In fact it shares a lot of things with chinese GongFu. Like tai chi and Wing Chun so to speak. Greetings from Mexico.
I think this person is trying to explain some concepts. And in my opinion he succeeds. Lots of the things he says are very logic. The complaints come from people who do mostly ground. And maybe they are thinking in their own terms, wich is logic, by the way. But in an anything hoes situation, this concepts work. I dont like his "submissions" though. And I would like to see more agressive resistance from the partner. But again, he is explaining concepts, not fighting. NIce video.
Interesting, but KM is known for demonstrating against limp noodles. I agree with the BJJ players here, much of this stuff is akin to demonstrating "advanced striking" against a person standing still. Still, some ideas here can be explored within one's own combative program.
Interesting video. In the first part he should have had the victims head facing the other way, that way he cant shrimp out. Also his base seems instable. He makes a lot small mistakes like that, but who am I to judge.
Oh and when you have someone in full mount, don't lift your knee up to try and knee them, they'll just slide their knee out, trap your leg and you lose full mount. His trap for strikes is a bad idea too, all the guy on bottom needs to do is trap a leg and he can easily pass with an oompa.
He didn't demonstrate the technique very well. But when you reach around the head and grab the arm bit... You're controlling their shoulder of that armpit. Stopping them from being able to turn into you. The bad thing in this video was he wasn't keeping his weight on him. Nor propping him up in a different direction.
@BlackShinobiShozoku The other video you showed me is much better, I agree. The difference in the two, is one is hooking from half guard, controlling the legs preventing the turn, the above video he is grabbing the armpit (from side control) without securing a leg in, via half guard, if you roll try this with a partner from side control and you'll see he can easily turn into you. Gotta have the leg trapped.
You guys your opinions said as if though u hav experience bottom line is that every martial arts have something good. To say that any is useless is bull. I have seen different martial arts utilized in the streets since the seventies by individuals utilizing it. Its the MAN THAT MAKES THE STYLE NOT THE STYLE THAT MAKES THE MAN.
Systema is a typical case of Bullshido. Don't do it, you will be very surprised practicing all that against a resisting opponent. Rely on Jiu-Jitsu or Judo instead, or boxing, or kick boxing, as additional punching skills. Systema is a scam. I wrote a review on a Systema dvd by Riabko/Vasiliev called "systema: strikes". I found out it is complete non-sense, sorry. Lot's of esoteric mishmash involved, which I can't stand.
Wow. For people looking for low percentage strikes that won't take much out of your opponent, there sure are a lot in this video. Yes, you can punch his arm, heel strike his thigh from the mount, etc. But why would you waste time and energy?
Oh, and you can't hold someone down with just 2 points of contact, not if their any good at least, you can't even hold them down with your whole body if they are good. Using just your hands makes a basic hip escape very easy, he is kinda just showing of in this video and the guy on the bottom has no idea what he is doing.
@Call6of6The6Beast Depends what bit and if you really want to learn you need to take bjj classes as just knowing isn't always enough. The first positiong was side control, just search for something like "side control escape", the idea is because he is placing his weight on you downward, you don't fight against it, you redirect it. e.g 0:47 you escape you hips out to your left side and turn into him. Relives his weight and also makes his left arm ineffective. Then back to guard or try stand up.
It looks like this guy watched some BJJ and then tried to make up his own techniques. If you're interested in learning some effective ground techniques I would strongly recommend you look for a local BJJ gym. Unlike whatever this is, BJJ is proven effective.
@jakesilv Yeah it looks like BJJ teachers watched some Sambo and then tried to make up their own techniques too. Just like it looks like Sambo instructors watched some japanese jiu jitsu and tried to make up their own techniques, etc. etc.
All martial arts are proven effective, if the guy using it actually has a head for fighting. Saying one style is the best/better and has all the solutions, is foolish.
@berner Actually not all martial arts are proven effective. Different martial arts are more effective than others in many different situations. BJJ and Sambo are both great for grappling and self defense, hence we see military and police groups adopt and train these styles. The MA world also has a few "bullshit" arts, which are not proven effective and are little more than a means to con people out of their money- look at George Dillman.
@jakesilv Hey. I appreciate the positive reply. In terms of the 'proven effective', to me anything is proven effective if the person using it actually has a head for fighting. I would often train with my roomate who was a mixed martial artist and part of his repertoire was choy lee fut, which to some is a McDojo martial art, and he was really good at applying it because he could see which techniques worked and which ones didn't.
I think you're wrong. This guy looks like he knows what hes doing to me.
Obviously this isn't a BJJ/Judo/Jujutsu system.
Looks more like a wrestler system. Some of the techniques hes using actually are the same techniques employed by UFC's current heavyweight champion.
Brock Lesner used the same technique at 7:50 on this video. To bash Frank Mirs face in. And Frank Mir was obviously so focused on being struck. He didn't even attempt to escape. And lost.
@BlackShinobiShozoku I'll have to re-watch the fight, because I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone pull off such sloppy side control- basic JJ says turn into your opponent, if you turn in he cant strike you, he's also leaving ample room to sweep or pass.
Basic JJ tells you to bridge them. And if you cannot bridge attempt an escape.
Once they reach around your head and grab your armpit you cannot turn into them. Until you escape out of that hold. Brock Lesner did it in Mir's Half guard.
You have to understand this guy even admits hes not great on the ground... But BJJ guys can crack when taking serious strikes. Aka Frank Mir vs Brock Lesner.
Brock Lesners ground game isn't that great... but he strikes you out of yours.
@BlackShinobiShozoku I'm not sure what you mean by bridge, are you referring to an oompa style pass? Anyone can crack when they're being hit, BJJ guys are no less immune than anyone else. Why can't you turn into someone who has their hand behind your head and into your armpit? I do it, and see it done often. Lesnar is a beast, and his style isn't pretty but it is effective; its just ground and pound done well.
I'm not familiar with your terminology. It must be something they changed in BJJ.
I am a Traditional Japanese Jujutsu practitioner.
I don't know what term you guys use for bridging...
And Brock Lesner did the exact same trap to Frank Mir... But the difference was he was in Frank Mir's "Half guard." It is easy to escape... But Frank Mir obviously cracked whenever he was being struck. And did not attempt any escapes.
@BlackShinobiShozoku As someone who has studied some BJJ, I can tell you that this video is chock full of bad grappling advice! When he has mount, at 7:00 he tells you to straighten out your body and put your weight onto your opponent, which easily allows the man on bottom to pull you tight, and roll into guard- you've just lost mount! I can literally list half a dozen mistakes this instructor is making and I'm no black belt.
@jakesilv I agree... His grappling sucks and does not look like any Jujutsu. He doesn't use the Kesa gatame pin correctly. Those strikes that he uses could easily get him bridged by a Jujutsuka(So they're high risk of using against an experienced grappler). His hadaka jime(Naked Choke) is incorrect. His Juji gatame is also incorrect.
But obviously like he said... he relies on striking to throw off the persons ground game. So his awful positioning is so he can setup strikes.
@BlackShinobiShozoku The other video you showed me is much better, I agree. The difference in the two, is one is hooking from half guard, controlling the legs preventing the turn, the above video he is grabbing the armpit (from side control) without securing a leg in, via half guard, if you roll try this with a partner from side control and you'll see he can easily turn into you. Gotta have the leg trapped.
@jakesilv If you look at his feet, you'll see he's completelely in charge though. He has control over the opponent's hips, and with BJJ rules I don't know how he'd fare, but his position allows him to get back up rather quick. Pushing off the ball of one of his feet he can pin his opponent's arm easy. I'm not saying it's a great idea, just that this works, it's just a different system of fighting.
@Unitzero25 Most of the techniques you're seeing in this video are from JJ or BJJ. It's obvious to me that the instructor has studied some BJJ and is sort of adapting techniques. I agree that some of what he's doing would work on an untrained opponent. Most people don't know any kind of ground fighting technique at all and are very easy to take down and mount.
@BlackShinobiShozoku It seems like he's making this stuff up on the fly, if you get to a dominant position like a full high mount, of course you can do whatever you like. It's how to get position which is key, and this guys techniques leave big holes which someone who knew basic bjj could exploit.
I strongly recommend visiting a grappling school. There is probably a sambo, judo, freestyle, grecoroman or bjj school somewhere in your city. Why not, just for kicks, visit such a school? I think it will be interesting experience for you. You'll be amazed by how much more effective these arts are.
yeah at 50 seconds, i could easily do hip escape aka shrimp. Or i could just bridge out, my boy OLeks is a blue belt we train under Renzo Gracie but with a legit Renzo's black belt most of the time, and my boy who is a blue belt would out grapple this dude
Look up "Army combatives" on youtube. I will tell you FROM EXPERIENCE that it does NOT WORK! Systema is INFINITELY MORE EFFICIENT and effective. Certain things in many arts "work", but not all of them work as well as Systema.
there is a time and place for ground fighting. MOST of the time that's for sport, but sometimes you hAVE to go to the ground or you've been knocked down and have to get back up.
I enjoyed Mr. Furman's demonstration! Being a BJJ student I see the similar sound principles in Systema regarding balance, feeling what your opponent is doing, and proper technique.
Today it will take you over 20 years to learn what was once a crash course in combat. Today, the modern masters of these arts are not warriors, but common men who have devoted their lives to studying the old ways. But there is a two-fold problem with this. First, the masters do not know how to teach what they know in a short period of time. And second, what they know has little relevance to the modern battlefield.
Asian martial arts were changed radically after peace came to the region. For example, Japanese warriors were trained in a very short period of time and then thrust into battle. But after the unification of Japan occurred, these warriors were left without a trade. They adapted to the situation and began teaching. During times of war they would have trained a warrior over a period of a few months to a year. But now they found ways to stretch this learning over many years.
Guys, stop pretending to be combat experts with your Internet-based knowledge and go train. Bjj, Judo, Sambo, Greco-Roman, Freestyle, Folkstyle, Kyokushin Karate, Muay Thai, Boxing, Savate, Kickboxing... It's all out there, so find a club and go train. Please.
@agtren 1)Systema has been around since around since the 10 century. the TERM "systema" (the systema in Russian) was created by Vladimir Vasiliev, but systema itself has been around since the 10 century.
2) training in an old art does not make you a warrior. It makes you someone devoted to studying the old ways. Becoming a master of a Japanese art does not happen in a year nowadays because there is not test of combat. There is not NEED to learn it quickly.
First, I see that this conversation is going nowhere. Second, I know what systema means tak kak ya govoryu po russki, But let's keep the conversation in English. Lastly, the systema is not from the tenth century, that's total bullshit,
@Agtren in English? LOL... ok... "The System" has been around since the 10th century. The name "the system" has not been around that long, but the fighting system HAS. It's been used by the cossacks and Russian knights and passed down through generations. It is a rare thing when a practitioner from another martial art starts systema and thinks it's BS. why? because it isn't.
I dont know of any practitioner of an effective style who went to asystema seminar or school and thought it wasnt bullshit.Every single clip on the net is sheer fantasy,only mildly beter than the no touch knock out clowns.
I dont know of any practitioner of an effective style who went to asystema seminar or school and thought it wasnt bullshit.Every single clip on the net is sheer fantasy,only mildly beter than the no touch knock out clowns.
you have obviously never been fish hooked properly. BJJ is awful for the street. hey, lets go grapple in that alley filled with broken glass. WONDERFUL!!!!
lol typical anti bjj bullshit. your never going to be able to fish hook a good grappler. a fish hook wont end a fight either the bjj guy choking you out will. also do you seriously think that in a street fight a bjj guy is going to drop into the guard and start working his rubber guard? of course he wont hes just going to close the distance sweep your legs out and then just run away while your laying on the back wondering how you got there. in the streets grappling is used for escaping.
aw, typical BJJ arrogant crap. PLEASE shoot on my knees. PLEASE. you know why sport oriented martial arts are so popular? idiots like you believe in them. all of this 'training' will make it that much easier for some crackhead to stab you. my name is nicholas holman-richter - 1323 lipan street, denver colorado. come out here, ill let you crash on my couch after i break you.
i never said anything about shooting in, i said about foot sweeps but that doesnt matter. im not saying that bjj or any other sport orientated art will make me invinsible. just that the physical and mental toughness and practical skills they teach will help you defend youre self better than this systema/ krav maga bullshit ever will. sports based arts allow you to train and perfect skills against fully resistant opponents...
systema etc only allows you to practise techniques compliant parteners so you never get to do the technique for real. martial sports have been taught to armies for years because they build controlled aggression and fighting spirit and thats what wins fights.
lol Who shoots on someone's knees? The problem you have is that you practice on people who have ZERO training and think that its going to work on everyone. This is true of the general person - NOT trained fighters. Where were you hiding when the open challenge to all you nut bashing, eye gouging "deadly" ninja death blow, Saturday morning Kung Fu watching wannabees went out asking to show everyone your skills? Oops - that's right, they all got trashed by a BJJ guy over 15 YEARS AGO - wake up!
@marcusorilius Then that BBJ fighter got whupped x amount of times after that. The UFC @ the beginning was a joke and a lot of fighters who really werent that good were let in and not a lot of masters like Hee Il Cho, Seagal and others. So when stand up fighters learned to deal with it (that was the problem in the first place-they never fought any ground fighter) then all the BJJ fighters had problems. Thats why they had to learn striking. To keep up with the strikers.
@marcusorilius Yes he is. If you look at vintage footage of Seagal in his studio performing demos you'll see he's the real thing. Unfortunately he's the butt of the joke nowadays. When he wanted to open his dojo he had to fight other masters due t the fact he was white American and not Japanese. Now again this is when UFC 1st started. MMA (the coined term) or at least some cross training did not come to be, in the main sport sense, until a few years later when the strikers had to learn ground
I have seen all the DEMOS of Seagal "throwing" around compliant, small, non-attacking fools trying very hard to make Seagal look like some kind of "master". I was NOT impressed - The only reason he was even allowed to reach that level is due to his marriage into the family that owned the school. Maybe ask Gene LeBell what he things of Seagal as a fighter...
@XuaXian89 the strategy of trying to take someone down isnt smart in many circumstances but against 1 guy its very sound and nearly unstoppable unless youve wrestling in your background.Fishooks, biting and gouging can work well but it wnt get you out from underneath without grappling knowledge.A bit of glass on the ground will make no difference at the time with adrenaline involved.
FYI... it used to take a year or close to that time to train a warrior in Japan. After warriors were not needed much, they began to teach their warrior skills and give belts to students. TRUE combat arts do not have belts. Only skills.
BJJ is based on sport. Judo, again... based on sport... "Sambo"... CAME FROM SYSTEMA and is based on .... SPORT.... it's a Russian national sport. I'm saying read history on many Japanese martial arts... Warriors, when not needed as warriors, monopolized their training and extended training times, came up with the idea of belts, etc.... to make money....
@Bzdi138 no those ARE NOT true combat arts, ESPECIALLY IN AMERICA!!! those things are just ways for people to make money off of morons like you. what belt are you now? i bet your dumbass made someone a LOT of money.
Bjj isn't only for the ring like you seem to imply. It does great on the street too. Search youtube for something like bjj vs streetfighter and see what comes up. As for what is shown in this systema video - it's very, very watered down bjj. Why not learn the real thing instead? The ability to gnp, choke out or joint lock the enemy is priceless, but you won't get there with what's being shown in the above video.
This is pathetic. I have a few years of bjj experince, and I tell you now, if I had to roll with this "instructor" I would tap him out repeatedly with ease. Poor base, poor control, no pressure. He doesn't know what he is doing. A simple way to check if what I'm saying is true is simply to get your ass down to a bjj gym. Ask to roll with a blue belt or higher and you will be enlightened.
@Agtren Maby you dont understand that these are just basics that works on the real world and are easy to adopt and handle in adrenaline rush and real situations. You are correct that this probably doesnt stand a chance in ring with bjj but it doesnt matter. This is not competition based action and youd be suprized how effective systema is and how different bases it has. Don´t underestimate it when you dont know better.
@Agtren the base, control and pressure as you put it it in bjj would allow you to do bjj moves such as grip, choke and joint lock however they are not the moves you should be using in a street fight life/death. you should use eye gouging, c-grip choke, fish hook e.t.c. to defend your life. so don't say bjj does great on the street coz you'll get yourself killed.
@Agtren why BJJ???? there are MUCH better arts. have you ever tried anything different? try any Indonesian art, Eskrima, Silat, hell even T'ai Qi is better than BJJ. ever think that attacking your opponent nuts first might be a bad idea? see any of my info above? if not let me know, all of you BJJ guys talk a good game, but never come to denver. wonder why that is.
1st, I've tried several different martial arts, including Boxing and a form of stick fighting among others. I like BJJ better simply because I've spent more time doing it.
2nd, these art you name are not better than BJJ. Escrima covers a different range of fighting, it's not better. How the hell you work out that Tai Chi of all things is better than BJJ I do not know. What's a Tai Chi master gonna do in a fight, channel his Chi into an energy ball and launch like in DBZ?
Thats exaclty what am talking about and I study BJJ. Why dont you go and ask a gracie what he thinks about this and see if he says its rubbish? Thats just your muppet opinion and your belt means nothing it depends where you got it from. The Gracie family work from respect as their basis not like the stupid none thinking muppets who blindly follow what they say. An thanks for prooving my point you muppet.
Why do you muppets always have an opinion about these videos? Everyone is an expert on Youtube which is hilarious and they always have a belt of have been studying this or that for so many years SO THEY KNOW WHAT THEY TALKING ABOUT! BULL SHIT! This is a good clip and Demetry is a good lad and knows his stuff, He has a history in Shoot Wrestling, Ju Jitsu and knows what hes talking about. It is not in martial art spirit to negatively critcise people like dick heads do on here! So shut up!
You have just proven my point but are obviously to stupid to see it. You think saying your a Purple belt means anything? You also dont know anything about my background to make such a comment or what level I am at. But grades only mean something depending where its from. With no respect your jst the muppet am on about.
whatever dude - you OBVIOUSLY don't know anything about groundfighting and yes being a purple belt means a lot but you wouldn't know about that. It's just funny having you rave on about stuff you know little about.
As I clearly said you know nothing about my back ground and belts are a new system in martial arts and I am telling you that you may be suprised that there are people out there who are not grated but could kick your internet masters ass! If you dont like something explain it rather than say your a grade because your opinion is not valued. I have training in martial arts for 15 years and most of that has been grappling so with respect shut the fuck up.
poor thing. I know there are people out there that can kick my ass. Demetri here on tape may be able to do so? That's not my point. Point being that the systema concepts he tries to market for grappling are a joke - they would never work. The other stuff is just mediocre bjj.
Systema has some good scientific principles based on the Russians study oif all styles but I agree that it is not really a effective style for the street in the way the teachers push of it. However I think the concepts are of value, especially the essential relaxing aspect which is vital for grappling. Sorry that I swore but I do think people abuse Youtube with unqualified opinion which was all my point was. And I repect your belt but there are alot of black belts out there that are shit infact.
they mean you passed some "test". Technique only gets you so far. That is why systema has been around since 948 AD.... longer than the majority of Japanese styles.
Demetry represented Canada at the World games in wrestling got 5th or 6th placing and has a Black Belt in Juijitsu and yet you could kick his arse - yeah right!!
this is bull! putting your forearm across the face is well easy to resist. a live opponent (one that isn't letting his arms flop by his sides) would resist this with ease. you want to cross-face the guys head so he is looking away from you. here he will be able to shrimp his hips away easily. does Demetry have a learning disorder perhaps?
Demetry is a nice guy but isn't that good. I've trained with all of Vlad's top guys and only a few could truly protect themselves. The last contest between Frank and the muy thai fighter should convince everyone that pure Systema doesn't work on a resistant opponent. They always turn to some other art when the going gets tough.
This stuff is not even close to systema grappling (what Vasiliev teaches), this guy came to systema from some sort of grapping background. Once, again, this is not systema grappling.
Do this... watch the video (the whole thing) again and pretend it is you as the teacher's adversary, ok? Now, find a time during most of this video when you actually COULD'NT gouge his eyes out or finger stab them. Go ahead... Don't get me wrong, this guy is smart, scientific and thorough. Go up to some bangers in the parking lot of King Taco in East L.A. and try this. You will lose. Very badly.
firstly,never choose to grapple on the ground,its a backup for when you end up down there whatever the reason.Secondly youd especially not grapple multiple opponents.
It looked okay, but what doesnt make sense is that he was talking about self defense, as he even referred to it with the arm across the neck. However through most of the video he is the attacker on someone already on the ground. That is not self defense and also you would be more likely to be at fault in court.
well the point of the demonstration was what to do after you have him on the ground. We assume in this situation the guy on the ground has attacked you and you, the victim, are trying to disable him.
what good is it if i simply throw him to the ground and do nothing. The whole point of self defense is to stop the predator by turning them into the victim( in a sense)
well- systema is designed for special forces and similar people- those guys bring the fight to the enemy, they don't wait for it- so mainly it is for offence- defence as well, but as it is taught to civilians- it is modified to only teach defence.
this guy beyond sucks. hes a straight up embarrassment. i can school this guy on the ground easily. a whole lot of bad armbars. he wont survive in the real world
it looks good on film. but if i was the bloke on his back i'd go for your bollocks with my free hands. in the video the fella weakly attempts to grab at your chest. i'd grab and twist your crown jewels mate. so, for me this is not going to work.
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systema is millitary skill,and its open for expansions in any lvl,you have selfdefense program,and proffesional program,the only difrence from mma is philosophy of training metods,in witch mma is concentreated on sport side,conditionig,while systema has,a little slower down to earth method,i had trained systema for a year and am currently in mma because of lack in grapling skill,and to get conditioning to maximum,after which i ll be back on systema :D,both sports are fun and good :)
Well, a stand up fighter will be taken down by a good grappler. That happens sooner or later. As for this guy, this is NOT Systema grappling. This is Brazilian Jiujitsu, some basic Judo 101. Very basic grappling stuff one can pick up at any strip mall grappling school.
I don't like seeing videos that say something like 'Systema grappling Vs. MMA" Nothing is further from the truth. This is Brazial Jiujitsu 101. Nothing special either. Definitely nothing like Systema grappling I ordered on VHS by Vladimir Vasiliev. If anyone from systema schools wants to try sparring MMA style, I'm sure you can find MANY guys willing to spar and exchange some knowledge.
@XuaXian89 All contact combat sports are proven time and time again. Bullshido (Systema etc.) on the other hand have been tested and therefore have no combative value whatsoever. Please try your Bullshido against a real fighter or "UFC bitch" and you will understand just how very wrong you are.
This guy is good. And I don't see mistakes in his techniques. But what he is showing is the technique from SAMBO and BJJ, I use some of that by myself in BJJ and SG bouts. I don't see classical systema here :)
IMO the System is basically a different way of training the same skills you develop in SAMBO, geared towards self defense rather than competition. Systema favors improvisation and experimentation rather than drilling specific techniques, but the outcome is similar.
The same or simmilar ground techniques are found in Systema, BJJ and Sambo because most of them came from Judo. Sambo and BJJ specifically are generally regarded as variants upon Judo's system.
good instructor,also if you like this there are some clips of alex kostic an instructor from serbia which are very good and tutorial...he also incorporates brazilian jiu jitsu as well as judo aikido in his training besides ofc punching and kicking and the real way learning is heaving a good teacher.5 stars for this guy
I think this guy watched a few judo and bjj videos and decided he could teach them in class, awful posture / balance, you'd get countered in all of these techniques with the least effort
4c00h 2 months ago
Terrible against BJJ, or Judo fighters u will die. But this I guess would give you the upper hand against a no skilled opponent on the street.
TheDarceChoke 3 months ago
@TheDarceChoke : BJJ is overrated .. lol .. And those Darce chokes that Brandon Quick teaches are CRAP!! SYTEMA OWNS BJJ .. hands down ..
bostonian314 2 months ago
My left ear enjoyed this seminar!
Fupper16 4 months ago
This is just americanized Systema IMO. Ground game in systema is more simular to Sambo not BJJ.
npavl0v 4 months ago
I think it is erronious, almost to the point of moronic, to say that "UFC is watered down.." In fact, it cuts through all the BS martial artists (traditional martial artists, purists) have been brainwashing their students for years with. I would bet any UFC fighter, not even talking world champion, can DESTROY ANY HIGH RANKING MASTER AND GRANDMASTER in a NO RULES fight. So far, no master of any martial art had the balls to step into the ring. A handful did and all lost.
BushidoCode72 5 months ago
@BushidoCode72 Hey man, the two most well-known masters of Systema, Mikhail Ryabko and Vladimir Vasiliev, have had an open door policy on challenge matches for as long as they have been teaching. That means anyone can go in to their schools, ask for a test, and they will be granted a test in the form of a friendly (or maybe even not-so-friendly) sparring match. Why don't the UFC fighters have the balls to show up and test them out?.
HughSlaman 3 months ago
0:55 in a real fight if I manage to put him down I'll smash his dick with my foot.
Romaniandick1994 10 months ago
He isn't moving like bjj, he's moving like a wrestler.
stthomasaquarius 11 months ago
@stthomasaquarius This guy must have watched some BJJ DVDs or had some BJJ training. It's Blue Belt level BJJ stuff. It is not Sambo and it is not Judo and it is not wrestling. I think he had some bjj grappling background and now connected that to Systema. Which , is great.
BushidoCode72 5 months ago
@BushidoCode72 This is an independent art which is distinct from BJJ and Sambo. There will always be similarities, becase there are only so many ways to move and control human bodies on the ground.
HughSlaman 3 months ago
@HughSlaman I actually trained in Systama and BJJ, and Sambo. I know Systema ground fighting looks different. I DO KNOW that Systema is different than BJJ and Sambo. But can you tell me with 100 percent confidence that the instructor in the video had ZERO BJJ or SAMBO or JUDO training? I doubt it. What if you turned on a BJJ video and they were clearly moving like Systema practitioners...against a knife attack for example. Andclaimed it was BJJ knife defenses? You would see through them right?
BushidoCode72 3 months ago
@BushidoCode72 I don't really worry about such matters. I am too interested in figuring out what aspects of these martial arts will bring out the best in myself and others. Systema does not focus on techniques as such, but on principles of movement in response to violence. Some things in BJJ fit that approach, and some things do not. The key difference between Systema and other martial arts is the approach to training: in Systema, the goal is *adaptability* to all kinds of problems.
HughSlaman 3 months ago
fuck guys, when you're fighting somebody are you all really concerned with all that watered down UFC stuff? don't get me wrong I love watching two grown men manhandle themselves in an octagon just as much as the next guy. If someone were to pin you chances are you'd get under their ribs or grind the hip bones togeather or just punch them in the dick if you've really got nothing left (only a small chance thats going to work though. :P) whatever. its just You Tube.
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sabithaperera 1 year ago
So, Systema is bad BJJ?
tungusodessa 1 year ago
@tungusodessa
systema does ground work as well
but without the the focus on each technique or names of techniques but overall concepts of movement and focus on breathing,mainly from the core of the body
NewZealfighter 1 year ago
@tungusodessa Systema is a system that allows you to apply your fighting style to it, without using a buttload of energy. BJJ, though impressive, uses up a lot of energy to succeed in pinning or disabling an opponent.
Unitzero25 1 year ago
@Unitzero25 That's actually not true. Watch some of Royce Gracies early fights in the UFC. You can see him stay calm, relaxed and expend very little energy as he works into position and submits the other fighters. That, is a key to understanding BJJ.
jakesilv 1 year ago
@tungusodessa Systema is a martial art system, not a style, It had it's own development, It isn't a mixture of styles. It has sambo in it. if you like to compare it. Systema was rediscovered to put it someway by the Spetnasz. Russian special forces. But it is a very old fighting discipline. It has more to do with good body mechanics, relaxation, attitude, psichology. In fact it shares a lot of things with chinese GongFu. Like tai chi and Wing Chun so to speak. Greetings from Mexico.
yuvutu6p3 8 months ago 4
this guy is great. i would like to practice jiu-jitsu techniques with him
linux750 1 year ago
I think this person is trying to explain some concepts. And in my opinion he succeeds. Lots of the things he says are very logic. The complaints come from people who do mostly ground. And maybe they are thinking in their own terms, wich is logic, by the way. But in an anything hoes situation, this concepts work. I dont like his "submissions" though. And I would like to see more agressive resistance from the partner. But again, he is explaining concepts, not fighting. NIce video.
lececamara 1 year ago 2
Interesting, but KM is known for demonstrating against limp noodles. I agree with the BJJ players here, much of this stuff is akin to demonstrating "advanced striking" against a person standing still. Still, some ideas here can be explored within one's own combative program.
USEejit 1 year ago
Interesting video. In the first part he should have had the victims head facing the other way, that way he cant shrimp out. Also his base seems instable. He makes a lot small mistakes like that, but who am I to judge.
The grab the eyes bit was good....
m0nkey1eader 1 year ago
Interesting enough. In the first part he should have had the victims head facing the other way, that way he cant shrimp out.
The grab the eyes bit was good....
m0nkey1eader 1 year ago
Heres a video where a guy explains what I talked about with the armpit grabbing.
/watch?v=fIDmNMisXQc
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
Oh and when you have someone in full mount, don't lift your knee up to try and knee them, they'll just slide their knee out, trap your leg and you lose full mount. His trap for strikes is a bad idea too, all the guy on bottom needs to do is trap a leg and he can easily pass with an oompa.
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv
He didn't demonstrate the technique very well. But when you reach around the head and grab the arm bit... You're controlling their shoulder of that armpit. Stopping them from being able to turn into you. The bad thing in this video was he wasn't keeping his weight on him. Nor propping him up in a different direction.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku The other video you showed me is much better, I agree. The difference in the two, is one is hooking from half guard, controlling the legs preventing the turn, the above video he is grabbing the armpit (from side control) without securing a leg in, via half guard, if you roll try this with a partner from side control and you'll see he can easily turn into you. Gotta have the leg trapped.
jakesilv 1 year ago
xD Systema and Krav Maga are combat effective.
lobodechristo 1 year ago
this teacher remids me of Bombastic, the chubby teuton from Asterix and the 12 tasks
tHekRizZ89 1 year ago
Only neede to watch half of it before i realised what a load of bollocks it is !!!
roodllib 1 year ago
You guys your opinions said as if though u hav experience bottom line is that every martial arts have something good. To say that any is useless is bull. I have seen different martial arts utilized in the streets since the seventies by individuals utilizing it. Its the MAN THAT MAKES THE STYLE NOT THE STYLE THAT MAKES THE MAN.
zeusblack47 1 year ago
Systema is a typical case of Bullshido. Don't do it, you will be very surprised practicing all that against a resisting opponent. Rely on Jiu-Jitsu or Judo instead, or boxing, or kick boxing, as additional punching skills. Systema is a scam. I wrote a review on a Systema dvd by Riabko/Vasiliev called "systema: strikes". I found out it is complete non-sense, sorry. Lot's of esoteric mishmash involved, which I can't stand.
SimulacronX 1 year ago
Wow. For people looking for low percentage strikes that won't take much out of your opponent, there sure are a lot in this video. Yes, you can punch his arm, heel strike his thigh from the mount, etc. But why would you waste time and energy?
Fletch828 1 year ago
What the fuck are you doing?
monkfg 1 year ago
Oh, and you can't hold someone down with just 2 points of contact, not if their any good at least, you can't even hold them down with your whole body if they are good. Using just your hands makes a basic hip escape very easy, he is kinda just showing of in this video and the guy on the bottom has no idea what he is doing.
sinhaserpente 1 year ago
Ok, that's awesome ! Clearly. But can you please post a video like this one but showing how to defend if someone is up on you this way ?
Call6of6The6Beast 1 year ago
@Call6of6The6Beast Depends what bit and if you really want to learn you need to take bjj classes as just knowing isn't always enough. The first positiong was side control, just search for something like "side control escape", the idea is because he is placing his weight on you downward, you don't fight against it, you redirect it. e.g 0:47 you escape you hips out to your left side and turn into him. Relives his weight and also makes his left arm ineffective. Then back to guard or try stand up.
sinhaserpente 1 year ago
It looks like this guy watched some BJJ and then tried to make up his own techniques. If you're interested in learning some effective ground techniques I would strongly recommend you look for a local BJJ gym. Unlike whatever this is, BJJ is proven effective.
jakesilv 1 year ago 2
@jakesilv Yeah it looks like BJJ teachers watched some Sambo and then tried to make up their own techniques too. Just like it looks like Sambo instructors watched some japanese jiu jitsu and tried to make up their own techniques, etc. etc.
All martial arts are proven effective, if the guy using it actually has a head for fighting. Saying one style is the best/better and has all the solutions, is foolish.
berner 1 year ago
@berner Actually not all martial arts are proven effective. Different martial arts are more effective than others in many different situations. BJJ and Sambo are both great for grappling and self defense, hence we see military and police groups adopt and train these styles. The MA world also has a few "bullshit" arts, which are not proven effective and are little more than a means to con people out of their money- look at George Dillman.
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv Hey. I appreciate the positive reply. In terms of the 'proven effective', to me anything is proven effective if the person using it actually has a head for fighting. I would often train with my roomate who was a mixed martial artist and part of his repertoire was choy lee fut, which to some is a McDojo martial art, and he was really good at applying it because he could see which techniques worked and which ones didn't.
berner 1 year ago
@jakesilv Oh yeah and I take your George Dillman, and I raise you one chi master vs MMA :D
berner 1 year ago
@jakesilv i just heard about this stuff, but if they are implementing it in spetzna training, there must be something to it that works.
kerchek 1 year ago
@jakesilv
I think you're wrong. This guy looks like he knows what hes doing to me.
Obviously this isn't a BJJ/Judo/Jujutsu system.
Looks more like a wrestler system. Some of the techniques hes using actually are the same techniques employed by UFC's current heavyweight champion.
Brock Lesner used the same technique at 7:50 on this video. To bash Frank Mirs face in. And Frank Mir was obviously so focused on being struck. He didn't even attempt to escape. And lost.
As for me... I'm a jujutsuka.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku I'll have to re-watch the fight, because I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone pull off such sloppy side control- basic JJ says turn into your opponent, if you turn in he cant strike you, he's also leaving ample room to sweep or pass.
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv
Basic JJ tells you to bridge them. And if you cannot bridge attempt an escape.
Once they reach around your head and grab your armpit you cannot turn into them. Until you escape out of that hold. Brock Lesner did it in Mir's Half guard.
You have to understand this guy even admits hes not great on the ground... But BJJ guys can crack when taking serious strikes. Aka Frank Mir vs Brock Lesner.
Brock Lesners ground game isn't that great... but he strikes you out of yours.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku I'm not sure what you mean by bridge, are you referring to an oompa style pass? Anyone can crack when they're being hit, BJJ guys are no less immune than anyone else. Why can't you turn into someone who has their hand behind your head and into your armpit? I do it, and see it done often. Lesnar is a beast, and his style isn't pretty but it is effective; its just ground and pound done well.
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv
I'm not familiar with your terminology. It must be something they changed in BJJ.
I am a Traditional Japanese Jujutsu practitioner.
I don't know what term you guys use for bridging...
And Brock Lesner did the exact same trap to Frank Mir... But the difference was he was in Frank Mir's "Half guard." It is easy to escape... But Frank Mir obviously cracked whenever he was being struck. And did not attempt any escapes.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku As someone who has studied some BJJ, I can tell you that this video is chock full of bad grappling advice! When he has mount, at 7:00 he tells you to straighten out your body and put your weight onto your opponent, which easily allows the man on bottom to pull you tight, and roll into guard- you've just lost mount! I can literally list half a dozen mistakes this instructor is making and I'm no black belt.
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv I agree... His grappling sucks and does not look like any Jujutsu. He doesn't use the Kesa gatame pin correctly. Those strikes that he uses could easily get him bridged by a Jujutsuka(So they're high risk of using against an experienced grappler). His hadaka jime(Naked Choke) is incorrect. His Juji gatame is also incorrect.
But obviously like he said... he relies on striking to throw off the persons ground game. So his awful positioning is so he can setup strikes.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
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@BlackShinobiShozoku The other video you showed me is much better, I agree. The difference in the two, is one is hooking from half guard, controlling the legs preventing the turn, the above video he is grabbing the armpit (from side control) without securing a leg in, via half guard, if you roll try this with a partner from side control and you'll see he can easily turn into you. Gotta have the leg trapped.
jakesilv 1 year ago
@jakesilv If you look at his feet, you'll see he's completelely in charge though. He has control over the opponent's hips, and with BJJ rules I don't know how he'd fare, but his position allows him to get back up rather quick. Pushing off the ball of one of his feet he can pin his opponent's arm easy. I'm not saying it's a great idea, just that this works, it's just a different system of fighting.
Unitzero25 1 year ago
@Unitzero25 Most of the techniques you're seeing in this video are from JJ or BJJ. It's obvious to me that the instructor has studied some BJJ and is sort of adapting techniques. I agree that some of what he's doing would work on an untrained opponent. Most people don't know any kind of ground fighting technique at all and are very easy to take down and mount.
jakesilv 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku It seems like he's making this stuff up on the fly, if you get to a dominant position like a full high mount, of course you can do whatever you like. It's how to get position which is key, and this guys techniques leave big holes which someone who knew basic bjj could exploit.
jakesilv 1 year ago
so much of that looked like the stuff I see in JJJ all the time, being drilled by the higher belts.
However, even as the basic level I role at - there's a few flaws which could (and would ) lead to some pretty painful counters to the guy on top....
It's ok, I guess as far as it goes - but it's far from the ultimate that people are giving it credit for...
scopeophile 1 year ago
Gentlemen, I suggest you do a youtube search of the following:
Try searching youtube for
1) Bjj blue belt test
2) Bjj purple belt test
3) Guerilla Jiujitsu demo
4) Buakaw china demo (muay thai)
5) CUng le demo (san shou)
That's what MAs are supposed to look like. Enjoy.
Agtren 1 year ago
I strongly recommend visiting a grappling school. There is probably a sambo, judo, freestyle, grecoroman or bjj school somewhere in your city. Why not, just for kicks, visit such a school? I think it will be interesting experience for you. You'll be amazed by how much more effective these arts are.
Otherwise this conversation is meaningless.
Agtren 1 year ago
yeah at 50 seconds, i could easily do hip escape aka shrimp. Or i could just bridge out, my boy OLeks is a blue belt we train under Renzo Gracie but with a legit Renzo's black belt most of the time, and my boy who is a blue belt would out grapple this dude
Stifledsubmission 1 year ago
Look up "Army combatives" on youtube. I will tell you FROM EXPERIENCE that it does NOT WORK! Systema is INFINITELY MORE EFFICIENT and effective. Certain things in many arts "work", but not all of them work as well as Systema.
StrengthFromAbove83 1 year ago
there is a time and place for ground fighting. MOST of the time that's for sport, but sometimes you hAVE to go to the ground or you've been knocked down and have to get back up.
StrengthFromAbove83 1 year ago
how basic is this :O
Chi47761243 1 year ago
I enjoyed Mr. Furman's demonstration! Being a BJJ student I see the similar sound principles in Systema regarding balance, feeling what your opponent is doing, and proper technique.
folgerscoffee56 1 year ago
Today it will take you over 20 years to learn what was once a crash course in combat. Today, the modern masters of these arts are not warriors, but common men who have devoted their lives to studying the old ways. But there is a two-fold problem with this. First, the masters do not know how to teach what they know in a short period of time. And second, what they know has little relevance to the modern battlefield.
StrengthFromAbove83 1 year ago
Asian martial arts were changed radically after peace came to the region. For example, Japanese warriors were trained in a very short period of time and then thrust into battle. But after the unification of Japan occurred, these warriors were left without a trade. They adapted to the situation and began teaching. During times of war they would have trained a warrior over a period of a few months to a year. But now they found ways to stretch this learning over many years.
StrengthFromAbove83 1 year ago
Guys, stop pretending to be combat experts with your Internet-based knowledge and go train. Bjj, Judo, Sambo, Greco-Roman, Freestyle, Folkstyle, Kyokushin Karate, Muay Thai, Boxing, Savate, Kickboxing... It's all out there, so find a club and go train. Please.
Agtren 1 year ago
I do train. I teach people systema.
StrengthFromAbove83 1 year ago
systema power!
flumox77 1 year ago
@StrengthFromAbove
1) Systema is young. It's only a 20th century creation.
2) Becoming a warrior is a lifelong process. I *wish* it'd take just a year, but that ain't so.
@maxgunn555
Dude, a jointlock can be used to break an arm or a leg, even the spine. A choke can put someone out in under 5 secs.
Either way, neutralization of the opponent accomplished!
As for the idiot who will try to fishhook me while I'l on top or in guard - well it just ain't gonna work! Bjj is great for street!
Agtren 1 year ago
@agtren 1)Systema has been around since around since the 10 century. the TERM "systema" (the systema in Russian) was created by Vladimir Vasiliev, but systema itself has been around since the 10 century.
2) training in an old art does not make you a warrior. It makes you someone devoted to studying the old ways. Becoming a master of a Japanese art does not happen in a year nowadays because there is not test of combat. There is not NEED to learn it quickly.
StrengthFromAbove83 1 year ago
to add.... Systema is STILL USED in combat by special operations and intelligence personnel worldwide...
StrengthFromAbove83 1 year ago
First, I see that this conversation is going nowhere. Second, I know what systema means tak kak ya govoryu po russki, But let's keep the conversation in English. Lastly, the systema is not from the tenth century, that's total bullshit,
Agtren 1 year ago
@Agtren in English? LOL... ok... "The System" has been around since the 10th century. The name "the system" has not been around that long, but the fighting system HAS. It's been used by the cossacks and Russian knights and passed down through generations. It is a rare thing when a practitioner from another martial art starts systema and thinks it's BS. why? because it isn't.
StrengthFromAbove83 1 year ago
I dont know of any practitioner of an effective style who went to asystema seminar or school and thought it wasnt bullshit.Every single clip on the net is sheer fantasy,only mildly beter than the no touch knock out clowns.
billysue2 1 year ago
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I dont know of any practitioner of an effective style who went to asystema seminar or school and thought it wasnt bullshit.Every single clip on the net is sheer fantasy,only mildly beter than the no touch knock out clowns.
billysue2 1 year ago
Basically, I suggest you go learn a real martial art before some hooligan assaults you after dark. Such a test you'd sadly fail.
Agtren 1 year ago
you have obviously never been fish hooked properly. BJJ is awful for the street. hey, lets go grapple in that alley filled with broken glass. WONDERFUL!!!!
XuaXian89 1 year ago
lol typical anti bjj bullshit. your never going to be able to fish hook a good grappler. a fish hook wont end a fight either the bjj guy choking you out will. also do you seriously think that in a street fight a bjj guy is going to drop into the guard and start working his rubber guard? of course he wont hes just going to close the distance sweep your legs out and then just run away while your laying on the back wondering how you got there. in the streets grappling is used for escaping.
tyebo87 1 year ago
@tyebo87
aw, typical BJJ arrogant crap. PLEASE shoot on my knees. PLEASE. you know why sport oriented martial arts are so popular? idiots like you believe in them. all of this 'training' will make it that much easier for some crackhead to stab you. my name is nicholas holman-richter - 1323 lipan street, denver colorado. come out here, ill let you crash on my couch after i break you.
XuaXian89 1 year ago
i never said anything about shooting in, i said about foot sweeps but that doesnt matter. im not saying that bjj or any other sport orientated art will make me invinsible. just that the physical and mental toughness and practical skills they teach will help you defend youre self better than this systema/ krav maga bullshit ever will. sports based arts allow you to train and perfect skills against fully resistant opponents...
tyebo87 1 year ago
systema etc only allows you to practise techniques compliant parteners so you never get to do the technique for real. martial sports have been taught to armies for years because they build controlled aggression and fighting spirit and thats what wins fights.
tyebo87 1 year ago
lol Who shoots on someone's knees? The problem you have is that you practice on people who have ZERO training and think that its going to work on everyone. This is true of the general person - NOT trained fighters. Where were you hiding when the open challenge to all you nut bashing, eye gouging "deadly" ninja death blow, Saturday morning Kung Fu watching wannabees went out asking to show everyone your skills? Oops - that's right, they all got trashed by a BJJ guy over 15 YEARS AGO - wake up!
marcusorilius 1 year ago
@marcusorilius Then that BBJ fighter got whupped x amount of times after that. The UFC @ the beginning was a joke and a lot of fighters who really werent that good were let in and not a lot of masters like Hee Il Cho, Seagal and others. So when stand up fighters learned to deal with it (that was the problem in the first place-they never fought any ground fighter) then all the BJJ fighters had problems. Thats why they had to learn striking. To keep up with the strikers.
neilneazer 1 year ago
@neilneazer Um... did you just say Seagal is a master? LOL that was a good one!
No doubt you have to have an all-round game to be competitive today - striking, clinching and ground game are all just as important as each other.
marcusorilius 1 year ago
@marcusorilius Yes he is. If you look at vintage footage of Seagal in his studio performing demos you'll see he's the real thing. Unfortunately he's the butt of the joke nowadays. When he wanted to open his dojo he had to fight other masters due t the fact he was white American and not Japanese. Now again this is when UFC 1st started. MMA (the coined term) or at least some cross training did not come to be, in the main sport sense, until a few years later when the strikers had to learn ground
neilneazer 1 year ago
@neilneazer 'he's the real thing'
I have seen all the DEMOS of Seagal "throwing" around compliant, small, non-attacking fools trying very hard to make Seagal look like some kind of "master". I was NOT impressed - The only reason he was even allowed to reach that level is due to his marriage into the family that owned the school. Maybe ask Gene LeBell what he things of Seagal as a fighter...
marcusorilius 1 year ago
@neilneazer I meant to say to keep up with the ground players. My mistake
neilneazer 1 year ago
@XuaXian89 the strategy of trying to take someone down isnt smart in many circumstances but against 1 guy its very sound and nearly unstoppable unless youve wrestling in your background.Fishooks, biting and gouging can work well but it wnt get you out from underneath without grappling knowledge.A bit of glass on the ground will make no difference at the time with adrenaline involved.
billysue2 1 year ago
FYI... it used to take a year or close to that time to train a warrior in Japan. After warriors were not needed much, they began to teach their warrior skills and give belts to students. TRUE combat arts do not have belts. Only skills.
StrengthFromAbove83 1 year ago
dude are you saying BJJ, Judo, Sambo, Kyokushin are not "true combat arts"??? You are delusional and I am betting you suck anyway.
Bzdi138 1 year ago
BJJ is based on sport. Judo, again... based on sport... "Sambo"... CAME FROM SYSTEMA and is based on .... SPORT.... it's a Russian national sport. I'm saying read history on many Japanese martial arts... Warriors, when not needed as warriors, monopolized their training and extended training times, came up with the idea of belts, etc.... to make money....
StrengthFromAbove83 1 year ago
Its sad when you read ten messages on a subject only to get one good answer. out of all of these 'fighters', your the only martial artist.
XuaXian89 1 year ago
@XuaXian89 who is?
StrengthFromAbove83 1 year ago
Im sorry im just a nobody. I liked your comment and i thought id reply. ill shut up now
XuaXian89 1 year ago
@Bzdi138 no those ARE NOT true combat arts, ESPECIALLY IN AMERICA!!! those things are just ways for people to make money off of morons like you. what belt are you now? i bet your dumbass made someone a LOT of money.
XuaXian89 1 year ago
@Bzdi138 this is to the person above me (Bzdi138)
XuaXian89 1 year ago
@nakkikonkeli
Bjj isn't only for the ring like you seem to imply. It does great on the street too. Search youtube for something like bjj vs streetfighter and see what comes up. As for what is shown in this systema video - it's very, very watered down bjj. Why not learn the real thing instead? The ability to gnp, choke out or joint lock the enemy is priceless, but you won't get there with what's being shown in the above video.
Agtren 1 year ago
This is pathetic. I have a few years of bjj experince, and I tell you now, if I had to roll with this "instructor" I would tap him out repeatedly with ease. Poor base, poor control, no pressure. He doesn't know what he is doing. A simple way to check if what I'm saying is true is simply to get your ass down to a bjj gym. Ask to roll with a blue belt or higher and you will be enlightened.
Agtren 2 years ago
@Agtren Maby you dont understand that these are just basics that works on the real world and are easy to adopt and handle in adrenaline rush and real situations. You are correct that this probably doesnt stand a chance in ring with bjj but it doesnt matter. This is not competition based action and youd be suprized how effective systema is and how different bases it has. Don´t underestimate it when you dont know better.
nakkikonkeli 1 year ago
@Agtren the base, control and pressure as you put it it in bjj would allow you to do bjj moves such as grip, choke and joint lock however they are not the moves you should be using in a street fight life/death. you should use eye gouging, c-grip choke, fish hook e.t.c. to defend your life. so don't say bjj does great on the street coz you'll get yourself killed.
maxgunn555 1 year ago
Kevin Secours is better at systema groundfighting. This guys is too focused on Japanese styles.
StrengthFromAbove83 1 year ago
@Agtren why BJJ???? there are MUCH better arts. have you ever tried anything different? try any Indonesian art, Eskrima, Silat, hell even T'ai Qi is better than BJJ. ever think that attacking your opponent nuts first might be a bad idea? see any of my info above? if not let me know, all of you BJJ guys talk a good game, but never come to denver. wonder why that is.
XuaXian89 1 year ago
@XuaXian89
1st, I've tried several different martial arts, including Boxing and a form of stick fighting among others. I like BJJ better simply because I've spent more time doing it.
2nd, these art you name are not better than BJJ. Escrima covers a different range of fighting, it's not better. How the hell you work out that Tai Chi of all things is better than BJJ I do not know. What's a Tai Chi master gonna do in a fight, channel his Chi into an energy ball and launch like in DBZ?
Agtren 1 year ago
Actually why dont you explain why you think this this is poor in detail?
Gavin0403 2 years ago
Thats exaclty what am talking about and I study BJJ. Why dont you go and ask a gracie what he thinks about this and see if he says its rubbish? Thats just your muppet opinion and your belt means nothing it depends where you got it from. The Gracie family work from respect as their basis not like the stupid none thinking muppets who blindly follow what they say. An thanks for prooving my point you muppet.
Gavin0403 2 years ago
Why do you muppets always have an opinion about these videos? Everyone is an expert on Youtube which is hilarious and they always have a belt of have been studying this or that for so many years SO THEY KNOW WHAT THEY TALKING ABOUT! BULL SHIT! This is a good clip and Demetry is a good lad and knows his stuff, He has a history in Shoot Wrestling, Ju Jitsu and knows what hes talking about. It is not in martial art spirit to negatively critcise people like dick heads do on here! So shut up!
Gavin0403 2 years ago
dude this sucks. I am a Purple in BJJ and I am so much better than this. This makes me laugh. You need to go to a real gym. I feel sorry for you.
Bzdi138 2 years ago
You have just proven my point but are obviously to stupid to see it. You think saying your a Purple belt means anything? You also dont know anything about my background to make such a comment or what level I am at. But grades only mean something depending where its from. With no respect your jst the muppet am on about.
Gavin0403 2 years ago
whatever dude - you OBVIOUSLY don't know anything about groundfighting and yes being a purple belt means a lot but you wouldn't know about that. It's just funny having you rave on about stuff you know little about.
Bzdi138 2 years ago
As I clearly said you know nothing about my back ground and belts are a new system in martial arts and I am telling you that you may be suprised that there are people out there who are not grated but could kick your internet masters ass! If you dont like something explain it rather than say your a grade because your opinion is not valued. I have training in martial arts for 15 years and most of that has been grappling so with respect shut the fuck up.
Gavin0403 2 years ago
dont cry about it
irishsurfer2000 2 years ago
poor thing. I know there are people out there that can kick my ass. Demetri here on tape may be able to do so? That's not my point. Point being that the systema concepts he tries to market for grappling are a joke - they would never work. The other stuff is just mediocre bjj.
Bzdi138 2 years ago
Systema has some good scientific principles based on the Russians study oif all styles but I agree that it is not really a effective style for the street in the way the teachers push of it. However I think the concepts are of value, especially the essential relaxing aspect which is vital for grappling. Sorry that I swore but I do think people abuse Youtube with unqualified opinion which was all my point was. And I repect your belt but there are alot of black belts out there that are shit infact.
Gavin0403 2 years ago
belts mean nothing.
StrengthFromAbove83 1 year ago
yes, yes they do. They mean dedication - a commitment to the art and technique.
Bzdi138 1 year ago
they mean you passed some "test". Technique only gets you so far. That is why systema has been around since 948 AD.... longer than the majority of Japanese styles.
StrengthFromAbove83 1 year ago
Demetry represented Canada at the World games in wrestling got 5th or 6th placing and has a Black Belt in Juijitsu and yet you could kick his arse - yeah right!!
whish01 2 years ago
this is bull! putting your forearm across the face is well easy to resist. a live opponent (one that isn't letting his arms flop by his sides) would resist this with ease. you want to cross-face the guys head so he is looking away from you. here he will be able to shrimp his hips away easily. does Demetry have a learning disorder perhaps?
blueingreentrain 2 years ago
great grappling instructions
demetry is a beast
jr420bake 2 years ago
What?????????
blueingreentrain 2 years ago
Demetry is a nice guy but isn't that good. I've trained with all of Vlad's top guys and only a few could truly protect themselves. The last contest between Frank and the muy thai fighter should convince everyone that pure Systema doesn't work on a resistant opponent. They always turn to some other art when the going gets tough.
paksilat 2 years ago
pure systema doesn't work? it's very easy to say that when you haven't done systema at all or not much.
StrengthFromAbove83 2 years ago
Bro please elaborate. I do not know this story but sounds great so far. I need to know
merockunot 2 years ago
So much garbage compacted into a 10 minute segment.
It's like he watched Mario Sperry's mount series then half-assed techniques from it into of the Systema fantasy catalogue.
SD78 2 years ago
Not to even mention all the other grappling errors in the first part of the vid, but the armbar from the mount at 3:05; hilarious.
RebelWrestler45 2 years ago
what errors?
StrengthFromAbove83 2 years ago
most of what he did was erroneous . I can't believe he is a coach
blueingreentrain 2 years ago
what about the head-butt guard pass? I thought it couldn't have got worse from there on but it did.
blueingreentrain 2 years ago
This stuff is not even close to systema grappling (what Vasiliev teaches), this guy came to systema from some sort of grapping background. Once, again, this is not systema grappling.
skWindwalker 2 years ago
i know its not since its actually pretty good.
billysue2 2 years ago
Do this... watch the video (the whole thing) again and pretend it is you as the teacher's adversary, ok? Now, find a time during most of this video when you actually COULD'NT gouge his eyes out or finger stab them. Go ahead... Don't get me wrong, this guy is smart, scientific and thorough. Go up to some bangers in the parking lot of King Taco in East L.A. and try this. You will lose. Very badly.
laughingtiger123 2 years ago
firstly,never choose to grapple on the ground,its a backup for when you end up down there whatever the reason.Secondly youd especially not grapple multiple opponents.
billysue2 2 years ago
If you are in LA. there is a fantastic Systema taecher Martin Wheeler.,,,Come and see! Systema is much more then
what you see on THOS video.
Losing for us is not a big deal.Staying alive in most dengeros situatins ...IS everything!
Mihka 2 years ago
i like this, this guy is funny
patnagorb 2 years ago
Don't care for names of moves. As long as you can hit the guy. Said by Bruce Lee's sifu. lol
Systema and Krav Maga are to me the most useful.
gkdrummerboy 2 years ago 4
@gkdrummerboy but i wouldnt learn krav magdre because if i get attackt on the street i dont wont to punch him in the balls thats cheap ^^
georg214 1 year ago
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Geraldopereba 2 years ago
It looked okay, but what doesnt make sense is that he was talking about self defense, as he even referred to it with the arm across the neck. However through most of the video he is the attacker on someone already on the ground. That is not self defense and also you would be more likely to be at fault in court.
genecyten 2 years ago
well the point of the demonstration was what to do after you have him on the ground. We assume in this situation the guy on the ground has attacked you and you, the victim, are trying to disable him.
what good is it if i simply throw him to the ground and do nothing. The whole point of self defense is to stop the predator by turning them into the victim( in a sense)
mrOrwell84 2 years ago
well- systema is designed for special forces and similar people- those guys bring the fight to the enemy, they don't wait for it- so mainly it is for offence- defence as well, but as it is taught to civilians- it is modified to only teach defence.
XIPM3 2 years ago
this guy beyond sucks. hes a straight up embarrassment. i can school this guy on the ground easily. a whole lot of bad armbars. he wont survive in the real world
billyew 2 years ago
3:16 , im pretty sure thats the same thing as the armbar
punkduck123 2 years ago
hmm although having said that the rest of the video is really good. It looks very effective what you do. so apologies about last post.
jofhill1066 2 years ago
it looks good on film. but if i was the bloke on his back i'd go for your bollocks with my free hands. in the video the fella weakly attempts to grab at your chest. i'd grab and twist your crown jewels mate. so, for me this is not going to work.
jofhill1066 2 years ago
yeah grabing the twin drops hurts but ball grabbing can be incorperated into this as well lol
belmonte4dinner 2 years ago
Systema focuses on relaxation, breathing, posture, and movement - some of these aspects can be seen in this video
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Marquiseasdf 2 years ago
LMAO!!! first of all. Begining of video. I would have easly got his ass in Full guard.
2ndly.... Amazing ground and pound tech. Id have to give him that. Thanks!! =P
bananabread119 2 years ago
systema is millitary skill,and its open for expansions in any lvl,you have selfdefense program,and proffesional program,the only difrence from mma is philosophy of training metods,in witch mma is concentreated on sport side,conditionig,while systema has,a little slower down to earth method,i had trained systema for a year and am currently in mma because of lack in grapling skill,and to get conditioning to maximum,after which i ll be back on systema :D,both sports are fun and good :)
Kanawanu 3 years ago
Well, a stand up fighter will be taken down by a good grappler. That happens sooner or later. As for this guy, this is NOT Systema grappling. This is Brazilian Jiujitsu, some basic Judo 101. Very basic grappling stuff one can pick up at any strip mall grappling school.
MAfanatic 3 years ago
What IS Systema grappling?
shniddles 3 years ago
I don't like seeing videos that say something like 'Systema grappling Vs. MMA" Nothing is further from the truth. This is Brazial Jiujitsu 101. Nothing special either. Definitely nothing like Systema grappling I ordered on VHS by Vladimir Vasiliev. If anyone from systema schools wants to try sparring MMA style, I'm sure you can find MANY guys willing to spar and exchange some knowledge.
MAfanatic 3 years ago
Was this a reply to my question?
shniddles 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
iv bin studyin kickboxing and karate, the day someone gets me one the floor, then ill decide to join this homo sex positions stuff deal?
Johno4191 3 years ago
Wow, this is just like the retard-cousin-from-the-country-version of MMA.
tapthis 3 years ago
@tapthis
yeah because we all know mma is the best, right? this is stuff IS awful, but its almost identical with what any UFC bitch does
XuaXian89 1 year ago
@XuaXian89 All contact combat sports are proven time and time again. Bullshido (Systema etc.) on the other hand have been tested and therefore have no combative value whatsoever. Please try your Bullshido against a real fighter or "UFC bitch" and you will understand just how very wrong you are.
tapthis 1 year ago
i wouldnt fuck with this instructor lol
kenikeni 3 years ago 3
Ganska fjantigt. Man får helt enkelt skjuta dem om man vill vinna. Är det bra?
KarlvonKuk 3 years ago
Stop arguing people just watch the video and learn something from it..
ehmjay10 3 years ago
that throw over the back was class is it judo
kevsenior 3 years ago 2
I have seen most of these techniques elsewhere. What impresses me is that he can pack all of these techniques into one video only 9:58 long!
This guy is a very efficient teacher!
FukYoMomma 3 years ago
This guy is good. And I don't see mistakes in his techniques. But what he is showing is the technique from SAMBO and BJJ, I use some of that by myself in BJJ and SG bouts. I don't see classical systema here :)
Tolstiy1980 3 years ago
Not sure what you mean by classical Systema (?)
IMO the System is basically a different way of training the same skills you develop in SAMBO, geared towards self defense rather than competition. Systema favors improvisation and experimentation rather than drilling specific techniques, but the outcome is similar.
ZenWolfDances 3 years ago
The same or simmilar ground techniques are found in Systema, BJJ and Sambo because most of them came from Judo. Sambo and BJJ specifically are generally regarded as variants upon Judo's system.
deadpool03mm 3 years ago 3
Wow! Someone actually knows what their talking about!
shniddles 3 years ago
good instructor,also if you like this there are some clips of alex kostic an instructor from serbia which are very good and tutorial...he also incorporates brazilian jiu jitsu as well as judo aikido in his training besides ofc punching and kicking and the real way learning is heaving a good teacher.5 stars for this guy
Kanawanu 3 years ago
Systema=Russian Martial Arts, as same as Sambo.
jairjkd81 3 years ago
Same as Sambo?! Try saying that to someone who's actually trained in Sambo and see what happens.
s2cuts 3 years ago 2
very nice! where is systema from? is it a part kali or arnis?
mrtuckeverlasting 3 years ago
don't know, but it was originally taught to the Spetnaz.
ishbla 3 years ago
Kali is a predesessor of Escrima. It's Fillipino in origin. Systema is a Spetznaz fighting system. Russian special forces.
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