I dunno if someone else has made the same point, but no-one forces female athletes to do sexy photoshoots. Why do they do them? They would appear not to share the concern that it degrades women or damages their sport, or, surely, they wouldn't do it? As for geneder inequality, men earn less in the Slams tennis than women, as they play much more for the same money.
Men are bigger, faster, and stronger than women and in sports where that matters (football, basketball, baseball, hockey), they put on a better product in competition than women (in other words, more entertaining). But in sports where the differences in ability between men and women is subtle (tennis, golf, auto racing, snowboarding) the competition and entertainment value is more leveled. Women COULD build more muscle and devote more time to sports, but they would sacrifice their femininity.
ok people men and women are totally different genders. u ever heard of any women on earth that can hit hard as mike tyson?? how many women in the wnba dunk?? in the in nba %90 of players dunk and these players do the same training as the wnba.. in the mlb an averge pitcher could throw 90- 100mph fast ball. women throw max 65-70mph fastballs...fastest ranner swimmer r men. y they dont put females in the nfl or ufc with males?? bez it will be boring and unfair. this is not sexists its reallity.
1 pp = 5 vgns ... been fighting all my life ... we have NO justice when military and educational institutions and the institution of marriage sponsors female genocide and promotes rapists many of children. Dairy is female genocide ... so are gynecologists and proctologists .. cows are so badly treated and the milk is infused to help you make more Catholics men did not come from a rectory they need to go back to East Dum Flock ... your penis grew inside your MOTHER"S UTERUS not GOD's butt hole
@Tsugua21 The battle cry of so many bigots. "When will these uppity (enter group you hate) quit whining"
Nowhere CLOSE to all female athletes are homosexuals (it's spelled "dyke" by the way, if you're going to use slurs at least get them right, you'll never make the cut at your Klan meeting that way!) and to answer...they'll quite "whining" when the discrimination ends.
0:59 how ironic, 40 years ago Katherine Switzer (and presumably women in general) were banned from running in the marathon, now men are banned from running in events such as the race for life. The irony is like the Israeli's becoming the nazis the despised.
@tjmac7 - "a victory for womens sport would be receiving due respect" i would like to hear some proposals on how respect should be measured, seeing as the majority of an athletes income comes from image rites and how much merchandise they can shift then presumably ticket sales will need subsidising if their face doesnt sell well. Women just dont buy into ugly its been proven time and again.
@tjmac7 Women were denied opportunity by banning them from the marathon. Having a race for life for women doesn't deny men opportunity, there's a race men can run in every blessed weekend somewhere.
i don't think the Israelis are "despised," the cruel oppression of Palestinians is, war crimes are, but it's the government policy, the murder, NOT the people themselves most people hate.
@PrisonerNumber9653 - Its about time women were given the opportunity to serve on the front line. There are plenty examples of men denied opportunity (like the opportunity to stay home and raise a family rather than enter national service and go to war) but for some reason the opportunity for women to prove themselves on the battlefield was never one that won much support.
@tjmac7 Meanwhile in the REAL world, not a single man was EVER denied this right. Not a God damn one.
You're right, women HAVE been denied the right to serve in the military, and advance therein. I'm not sure why they'd want to, but if that's their choice, the door should be open.
@PrisonerNumber9653 - Draft evasion or conscientious objection was until relatively recently an impriosonable offence (and deserters were put to death) . Women busy fighting for equal opportunity at the time couldnt have been quieter on the subject. Hypocrisy? Now womens opportunity is being stifled in the badlands of Afghanistan where young men are killed in daily patrols, again womens groups fall quiet on the subject of service in the frontline infantry. Why? bunch of hypocrites.
@tjmac7 It was always a despicable act to jail people for refusing to participate in mass murder. NO, women absolutely were NOT silent, Emma Goldman spent time in a hideous prison in Jefferson City, Missouri for her WORDS opposing WWI.
There are PLENTY of women demanding equality within the service, and many who aren't oppose ANYONE from the US being in Afghanistan. There's no "hypocrisy" here.
@PrisonerNumber9653 - For every Emma Goldman there were dozens more young women handing out white feathers to men who objected, if it's equality women really want (and not positive discrimination) then its way past time men were encouraged into nursing, childcare and teaching. Rather than giggling at Bobbit jokes and painting them as idiot rapists every opportunity women should encourage young men into female dominated professions.
@tjmac7 "Positive discrimination"? What a load of shit. Men and women are NOT equal, and there's nothing "discriminatory" about moves towards equality. I'm great with men being encouraged to go into nursing, but it's not remotely comparable to point at nursing being mostly women and the tradition of pushing women into positions like that because we wouldn't want them thinking they could be doctors, do we?
Women deal with violent sexual assault, men deal with occasional jokes, still not equal.
@PrisonerNumber9653 - Two out of 10 teachers are men, the lowest figure in 40 years and women currently make up between 58% and 59% of those studying medicine degrees while out of 380 Brit soldiers to die in Afghanistan (a conflict voted for by the majority of female Mp's) one was a woman. You obviously see only what it suits you to see. When equality means a 30 minute head start in a marathon then everybody loses.
@tjmac7 No, that's a total load of shit. I see the reality of all those situations, and the reality of what a crock of shit it is to claim that men are being "discriminated" against any of those areas.
I'm great with the idea of recruiting more men to teach, especially in younger grades. I've been extremely active in my town's schools, I was the one that caused my kids' grade school to go from "classroom moms" to "classroom parents" it's NOT about men wanting to teach and being turned away.
@PrisonerNumber9653 - Two out of 10 teachers are men, the lowest figure in 40 years, a survey by the National Education Association has found (NY Times). Women currently make up between 58% and 59% of those studying medicine degrees. In veterinary degrees, women account for 79% of students (The Guardian). As at 30 August 2011, a total of 380 British forces personnel or MOD civilians have died while serving in Afghanistan since the start of operations in October 2001 (MOD fact sheet)
@tjmac7 Proving nothing whatsoever except that in a FEW instances the pervasive sexism against women is beginning to fade.
As for teachers, please show me a SINGLE case of a qualified male teacher being turned down. Men are NOT discriminated against in teaching, we're BEGGING men to come teach.
@tjmac7 And when society takes a group of people and causes, through no fault of their own, 30 minutes worth of obstacles, then yes a 30 minute head start IS appropriate. Believe me I know what's happening on major college campuses across America, and it is NOT a problem of "white kids just can't get in".
@PrisonerNumber9653 - Do you have an actual specific example of any young woman being discriminated against or are these all hypotheticals? What are these obstacles that you think have been deliberatley placed to make women stumble? I see most miners and engineers are men but women dont seem to apply, no discrimination there either right? It only seems to be the lucrative management positions where 'equality' is demanded, nobody demands more women down a mine shaft.
@tjmac7 You're kidding, right? You think there's no discrimination against women? That they're paid the same for equal work? That there's no "glass ceiling"? That a meeting of the CEOs of the business on the Dow Jones would be full of women? Come on, that's absurd, yes I know women who've been discriminated against, nearly every woman I know, from people overlooked for promotion to those who were discouraged from going into work that wasn't "ladylike".
@PrisonerNumber9653 - Discouragement from hard labour is NOT discrimination. Raising a family is NOT oppression. I asked for a specific example of how young women are discriminated against but you trot out the old pay gap and glass ceiling. When retail is compared with mining there are gonna be a few discrepancies in pay, when women leave work to raise children they may not receive a pay rise that year, when a man elects to work in the oil industry while his wife chooses childcare pay will vary.
@tjmac7 Oh, fuck off. It damn well IS discrimination to talk about "hard work" when it's to OVERCOME DISCRIMINATION! Where the FUCK did I say raising a family was "oppression"? I DID NOT. But thinking WOMEN are to raise the family and MEN are to earn the bread is discrimination, is bigoted, is evil, is stupid.
I don't "trot out" SHIT, the pay gap is real, the glass ceiling is real. i will NOT violate the privacy of my friends by giving their individual stories, which you'll shit on anyway.
@tjmac7 Wow, I've never SEEN anyone so determined to support bigotry and discrimination. I don't "trot out" SHIT. The pay gap is real, the glass ceiling is REAL. I'll not submit to your demands to violate the privacy of my friends with individual examples, especially when there are MILLIONS. This is NOT 'discrepancies", this is men get paid more for the SAME WORK, are MORE likely to be promoted, ESPECIALLY the higher up you go in corporate structure. This is NOT about children, it's sexism.
@PrisonerNumber9653 - lmfao, its unreasonable to ask a feminist for an example to support her spurious bull shit. No 'demands' no 'violation of privacy' here lol. Why give a single example when there are millions of examples that still dont prove a point lol.
@tjmac7 There's nothing "spurious" about the notion of simple equality, and opposition to it is bullshit. Yeah, you ARE asking me to give private details of peoples' lives that are none of your damn business, nor would anyone with more than 3 or 4 working brain cells NEED them to see the incredible amount of discrimination rampant in our society today. The point's been proven, except to those who refuse to see reality because they prefer their sexist ignorance.
@tjmac7 First off, I'm not a "her", secondly there's nothing remotely "spurious" about the notion of equality. You ARE asking for private details of peoples' lives that are not only none of your business but not REMOTELY needed to prove that sexism and discrimination exist. You have to live in a CAVE to think otherwise.
@tjmac7 And where the hell does it say women have to be the caregiver? Let the MAN leave the oil industry (better yet, let EVERYONE leave that industry and get rid of it altogether) and care for the kids, let the WOMAN do the work. Why not?
Because it's ASSUMED that man works, woman stays home barefoot and pregnant. And if that ain't discrimination, I'm the easter bunny.
@PrisonerNumber9653 - lets get rid of the oil industry altogether, that will even out the sexes, what with women ploughing the fields with oxen and what not. For fucks sake.
@tjmac7 Whether the obstacles are "intentional" or not doesn't matter, if we don't ACTIVELY work to remove them and level the playing field, they're intentional obstacles.
NO, it most certainly is NOT "discrimination" that women aren't trying to get into many mining jobs, although those that do are subject to harassment, and far less likely to be elected into union leadership. Engineers is SURE a matter of discrimination, from the time they're girls and discouraged from pursuing heavy math.
@tjmac7 YES, asshole, it damn well IS discrimination if the obstacles CAN be removed, and are not. If the playing field CAN be leveled, and is not.
You've obviously avoided checking the facts from the other day, as you're no longer (thank God) trying to promote this rancid lie that Dr. King's words should be perverted to oppose affirmative action.
@PrisonerNumber9653 - wow, you are confused. All i asked for was an example. Its ilegal to employ men and women in the same role but pay women less but still we have to suffer tired old excuses why women dont want to
@tjmac7 I'm not remotely confused, just disgusted. You say it's illegal, but it happens all the time. How many companies on the Dow Jones are run by women? Or minorities? Opportunities for advancement are one of MANY areas in which discrimination still exists.
FUCK YOU and your "tired old excuses", what is tired is your old excuses for why sexism should be allowed.
@PrisonerNumber9653 - "it happens all the time" Just one specific example please. The Dow dominated by men is not evidence of discrimination just as nursing dominated by women is not.
@tjmac7 Whether the obstacles are "intentional" or not doesn't matter, if we don't ACTIVELY work to remove them and level the playing field, they're intentional obstacles.
NO, it most certainly is NOT "discrimination" that women aren't trying to get into many mining jobs, although those that do are subject to harassment, and far less likely to be elected into union leadership. Engineers is SURE a matter of discrimination, from the time they're girls and discouraged from pursuing heavy math.
@tjmac7 Whether the obstacles are "intentional" or not doesn't matter, if we don't ACTIVELY work to remove them and level the playing field, they're intentional obstacles.
NO, it most certainly is NOT "discrimination" that women aren't trying to get into many mining jobs, although those that do are subject to harassment, and far less likely to be elected into union leadership. Engineers is SURE a matter of discrimination, from the time they're girls and discouraged from pursuing heavy math.
@tjmac7 Whether the obstacles are "intentional" or not doesn't matter, if we don't ACTIVELY work to remove them and level the playing field, they're intentional obstacles.
NO, it most certainly is NOT "discrimination" that women aren't trying to get into many mining jobs, although those that do are subject to harassment, and far less likely to be elected into union leadership. Engineers is SURE a matter of discrimination, from the time they're girls and discouraged from pursuing heavy math.
@tjmac7 It's INSANE to claim that discrimination is OK in management positions because you can think of a couple of things women are less likely to pursue.
AGAIN, and this has been explained before, although I can't believe you're so dense it would NEED to be explained, you are NOT showing doors closed to men ANYWHERE. But management doors ARE closed to women.
Comparing the two situations is just plain idiotic, trying to make excuses for inexcusable bigotry and discrimination.
@PrisonerNumber9653 - Who said discrimination is ok? Women can pursue ANY career they choose. What management door is closed to women, you nearly had one as president right? The CommSec analysis comparing mining to retail is what is idiotic, if male dominated industries are outperforming female dominated industries then isnt it time women learned to weld, mine and cut metal? Nobody is telling girls what they can and cant study, it is all in your head.
@tjmac7 You're just LYING, or a complete idiot. NO, asshole, women can NOT pursue any career they choose, there is DISCRIMINATION against them, in the workplace and in education. You named ONE WOMAN who ALMOST got made president, she's now secretary of state. how many cabinet posts, even in this paradigm smashing administration, are women? Why ALMOST having one woman in line with over 40 men is "equality" to you?
It is NOT in my head, it is PROVEN FACT girls are pushed away from some subjects.
@PrisonerNumber9653 - Who is pushing girls away from lucrative subjects? Baring in mind approx 8 out of every 10 teachers are women? Hillary, Condoleeza et al did pretty well considering how few women even stand in the 1st place. (i havent lied about a single thing) You should come back when you have some facts to back up your spurious argument.
@tjmac7 Teachers, the media, society, parents, this is all PROVEN FACT, not some crackpot theory. BEARING, not baring, and AGAIN there is nothing like discrimination against men in education.
You just named TWO women in cabinets, after I showed the the single most diverse cabinet ever had only one in three members a female. You've lied about PLENTY. And I've backed up EVERYTHING I've said with facts, none of them "spurious".
@PrisonerNumber9653 - How are women DISCRIMINATED against in education? NY Times says 8 in 10 teachers are women so who is doing the discriminating and why do you continuously blame men? Women arent equally represented in the cabinet because they arent equally represented in parliament (because they CHOOSE not to run and women CHOOSE not to vote for them). Again no discrimination just individual CHOICE. Take some responsibility and stop blaming everyone else, youre like a spoilt child.
@tjmac7 You keep repeating the same foolish bullshit. First off, discrimination in education does NOT refer to getting jobs teaching 4th graders. NOBODY is preventing men from doing so, but I'm talking about women RECEIVING education, where a great deal of discrimination still persists, in math and science (undergrad degrees in computer and info sciences, percentage going to women is actually FALLING sharply) plus in career and tech education, and Title IX compliance is still pathetically bad.
@tjmac7 There's nothing BUT discrimination in women not being in the cabinet, parliament or the Congress is FAR from the only place one can find qualified candidates.
To claim this is about "choice" is bullshit, it's about pervasive, longstanding discrimination.
Shove "spoiled child" up your ass, the spoiled children are the white men with EVERY advantage whining about how picked on they are, like rich kids crying because they only got a new BMW for their sweet 16 instead of a Benz.
@PrisonerNumber9653 - You are the real bigot, it is you who stands in the way of progress, it is you who misrepresents every argument and thus discredits any genuine move towards equality. It is you who discriminates and hates based on race and gender. It is you who fails to understand because you are too ignorant to offer examples to support your bigoted machinations, indeed YOU are the problem and it is people like YOU that hold women back. The 70's are over and i pity your poor offspring.
@tjmac7 Ah, some things are predictable like the sun rising in the east, bigots will tell those who oppose bigotry "You're the 'real' bigot", the pee wee herman defense, "I know you are but what I am."
I'm standing in the way of the "progress" of inequality and bigotry, you bet your ass I am, I'll lay my body on the tracks in front of that progress.
I haven't misrepresented jack shit, I don't hate ANYBODY based on race or sex, you lying motherfucker., I'm not discriminating against ANYONE.
@tjmac7 I don't "fail to understand" your pathetic simplistic KKK horseshit, I am NOT "ignorant" you bastard because I will not violate the rights of my friends to play your cheap, scummy games. There are MOUNTAINS of PROOF discrimination exists, the personal details are none of your fucking business.
I hold women back? Go to hell. YOU hold them back ON PURPOSE with your lies.
The 70s are over? Because bastards like you took over, guess what, DECENT PEOPLE ARE FIGHTING BACK. more
@tjmac7 You're truly the scum of the earth. You pity my offspring? Go fuck yourself. I pray you have no offspring, the only thing scarier than girls being raised in a house where women belong in the kitchen silent and submissive is BOYS being raised by such troglodyte mindset. That they go into school, into the world, into the workplace thinking they've EARNED special treatment because they have a dick. That they've EARNED more money than women, EARNED the CEO chair with testosterone.
@PrisonerNumber9653 - You’re a different species aren’t you? It would be best left to evolution to take care of you, and as you undoubtedly misunderstand, misrepresent and fail to grasp the general principle of evolution i will say this: It doesn’t matter whether you believe in it or not, things weren’t designed to trip you up, sometimes that’s just the way it is so stop fucking moaning about it.
@tjmac7 I will be cold and dead before I stop fighting for justice, I don't give a shit whether fascists and bigots like you like it or not, whether you think it's "moaning" or think some lunacy like I "don't grasp the general principle of evolution". In fact, I do...which is that the species is SUPPOSED to move FORWARD not cling to our troglodyte attitudes of the past.
@PrisonerNumber9653 - Evolution, it's all about survival, your cold dead body can only speed up the process. You do what you gotta do but remember it has fuck all to do with your sense of direction or what YOU feel we're SUPPOSED to do.
@tjmac7 What a crummy excuse for a human being you are. If for you it's "all about survival" your life will finish with no value at all. A life spent SERVING OTHERS is the purpose of living. You do NOT gotta do what you gotta do to screw others over to make yourself fat and rich. It's not what I "feel" we're supposed to do, it's what I KNOW we're supposed to do.
And the ironic thing is that selfish bastards like yourself are making this a far, far worse world...even for the selfish bastards.
@PrisonerNumber9653 - You have grown really quite boring now but it was a pleasure putting you right on a few things. If you feel the need to chat some more about any of your other delusions on any other topics feel free to drop me a line and i'll do my best. x
@tjmac7 You didn't "put me right" on anything, you've just repeated the same despicable KKK lies I've heard from a thousand other bigots and ignorant clowns.
prisonerNumber9653 - slander, insults, name calling, misrepresentation, refusal /inability to offer evidence, all prized qualities of left wingnutslike yourself and all revealing of your true character, some people are more equal than others right. Predictable, boring and wrong.
@tjmac7 It's not slander if it's true, I haven't misrepresented ANYTHING, have NOT refused to offer evidence, only to NOT take part in your scumbag attempts to violate the privacy of people, NONE of which would have dented your cult-like clinging to the KKK lies you've ingested. Seeing the PROVEN FACT that discrimination exists does not make one a "nut", nor does following reasonable and appropriate measures to repair said discrimination.
@tjmac7 Ah, the "more equal" bullshit! There's not a SINGLE example of ANY minority group asking for MORE than others already have. SIMPLE EQUALITY, not "more equal" but EXACTLY equal, is all blacks, gays, women, immigrants, Muslims, or ANYBODY ELSE is asking.
You refuse. You want straight, white, Christian, wealthy, native-born men to KEEP the unfair advantages we already hold for no good reason at all.
You're right, my defense of equality does reveal true character, and you show a lack.
@PrisonerNumber9653 - 'straight, white, Christian, wealthy, native-born men ' 'kkk' ??? wtf, you're not just another species, you're from another planet. Seriously now, get a grip.
@tjmac7 You think there's no discrimination against minorities, against gays, against the poor, against immigrants, against religious minorities...sorry, you're in no position to talk about anyone "getting a grip", you probably have people patting you on the back for your bigotry and ignorance, hell, you must (it's why right wing hate radio exists, so people like you can be made to feel you're doing nothing wrong) but you've lost a grip on reality long, long ago.
@tjmac7 Funny, I asked you if you thought Martin Luther King was a nut. You never answered.
No, it's not "projection", you're truly out of touch with reality. If you think there's no discrimination, you're not only hiding from reality, you're making the problem worse.
@tjmac7 Delusional? You've yet to show one WORD I've said to be untrue. And you've CONTINUED to hide like a scared child from a simple question.
Don't you DARE blaspheme by calling me "Satan" as if God supports your despicable bigotry and greed. That's just offensive, just sick. You're truly perverted.
You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
@tjmac7 Still more outright blasphemy. You've yet to show anything I've said to be 'lies', and claiming that being against racism, sexism, and bigotry makes one 'satan' is truly an insult to God. You just keep getting lower and lower, sleazier and sleazier.
@tjmac7 Oh, and don't bother answering about the cabinet, the answer is of 21, seven are women. And I'd bet it's the most we've EVER had. It was five out of 34 in the Bush years, for instance.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Funny how you IGNORED this...five out of 34, and you claim that because of Hilary Clinton being Sec of State discrimination against women in high public office is over.
There've been 39 women in the US Senate...IN HISTORY. Out of thousands. Yeah, those poor picked on men, ESPECIALLY white men, how discriminated against they are.
@PrisonerNumber9653 - Who said discrimination is ok? Women can pursue ANY career they choose. What management door is closed to women, you nearly had one as president right? The CommSec analysis comparing mining to retail is what is idiotic, if male dominated industries are outperforming female dominated industries then isnt it time women learned to weld, mine and cut metal? Nobody is telling girls what they can and cant study, it is all in your head.
I cannot post the link, but the second picture in the google "male athlete" search is of a group of four nude rugby players with rugby balls covering their genitalia.
This is not an issue of gender inequality, but rather of a lack of the embracing of both male and female as sexual animals. The real problem lies in religious moral standards that suggest that being sexual or provocative is a negative thing.
You know you're perfectly right. We should end women's sports and force everyone to tryout for one team. It's the same as the Negro Leagues, right?
Delacresse 2 months ago
I dunno if someone else has made the same point, but no-one forces female athletes to do sexy photoshoots. Why do they do them? They would appear not to share the concern that it degrades women or damages their sport, or, surely, they wouldn't do it? As for geneder inequality, men earn less in the Slams tennis than women, as they play much more for the same money.
45pjones 3 months ago
Men are bigger, faster, and stronger than women and in sports where that matters (football, basketball, baseball, hockey), they put on a better product in competition than women (in other words, more entertaining). But in sports where the differences in ability between men and women is subtle (tennis, golf, auto racing, snowboarding) the competition and entertainment value is more leveled. Women COULD build more muscle and devote more time to sports, but they would sacrifice their femininity.
kooltomax 3 months ago
ok people men and women are totally different genders. u ever heard of any women on earth that can hit hard as mike tyson?? how many women in the wnba dunk?? in the in nba %90 of players dunk and these players do the same training as the wnba.. in the mlb an averge pitcher could throw 90- 100mph fast ball. women throw max 65-70mph fastballs...fastest ranner swimmer r men. y they dont put females in the nfl or ufc with males?? bez it will be boring and unfair. this is not sexists its reallity.
heyyo1987 4 months ago
Who gives a fuck about women sports? Nobody likes Dykes anyway.
CrazyBrah21 5 months ago
@CrazyBrah21 You should just walk around with a sign that says "dumb shit" around your neck.
Naw, it's already that obvious that you're a dumb shit.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
1 pp = 5 vgns ... been fighting all my life ... we have NO justice when military and educational institutions and the institution of marriage sponsors female genocide and promotes rapists many of children. Dairy is female genocide ... so are gynecologists and proctologists .. cows are so badly treated and the milk is infused to help you make more Catholics men did not come from a rectory they need to go back to East Dum Flock ... your penis grew inside your MOTHER"S UTERUS not GOD's butt hole
TheAnnafisher 5 months ago
When will Dikes stop complaining? NEVER
Tsugua21 10 months ago
@Tsugua21 The battle cry of so many bigots. "When will these uppity (enter group you hate) quit whining"
Nowhere CLOSE to all female athletes are homosexuals (it's spelled "dyke" by the way, if you're going to use slurs at least get them right, you'll never make the cut at your Klan meeting that way!) and to answer...they'll quite "whining" when the discrimination ends.
Not any time soon.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
0:59 how ironic, 40 years ago Katherine Switzer (and presumably women in general) were banned from running in the marathon, now men are banned from running in events such as the race for life. The irony is like the Israeli's becoming the nazis the despised.
tjmac7 11 months ago
@tjmac7 - "a victory for womens sport would be receiving due respect" i would like to hear some proposals on how respect should be measured, seeing as the majority of an athletes income comes from image rites and how much merchandise they can shift then presumably ticket sales will need subsidising if their face doesnt sell well. Women just dont buy into ugly its been proven time and again.
tjmac7 11 months ago
@tjmac7 Women were denied opportunity by banning them from the marathon. Having a race for life for women doesn't deny men opportunity, there's a race men can run in every blessed weekend somewhere.
i don't think the Israelis are "despised," the cruel oppression of Palestinians is, war crimes are, but it's the government policy, the murder, NOT the people themselves most people hate.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 - Its about time women were given the opportunity to serve on the front line. There are plenty examples of men denied opportunity (like the opportunity to stay home and raise a family rather than enter national service and go to war) but for some reason the opportunity for women to prove themselves on the battlefield was never one that won much support.
tjmac7 5 months ago
@tjmac7 Meanwhile in the REAL world, not a single man was EVER denied this right. Not a God damn one.
You're right, women HAVE been denied the right to serve in the military, and advance therein. I'm not sure why they'd want to, but if that's their choice, the door should be open.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 - Draft evasion or conscientious objection was until relatively recently an impriosonable offence (and deserters were put to death) . Women busy fighting for equal opportunity at the time couldnt have been quieter on the subject. Hypocrisy? Now womens opportunity is being stifled in the badlands of Afghanistan where young men are killed in daily patrols, again womens groups fall quiet on the subject of service in the frontline infantry. Why? bunch of hypocrites.
tjmac7 5 months ago
@tjmac7 It was always a despicable act to jail people for refusing to participate in mass murder. NO, women absolutely were NOT silent, Emma Goldman spent time in a hideous prison in Jefferson City, Missouri for her WORDS opposing WWI.
There are PLENTY of women demanding equality within the service, and many who aren't oppose ANYONE from the US being in Afghanistan. There's no "hypocrisy" here.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 - For every Emma Goldman there were dozens more young women handing out white feathers to men who objected, if it's equality women really want (and not positive discrimination) then its way past time men were encouraged into nursing, childcare and teaching. Rather than giggling at Bobbit jokes and painting them as idiot rapists every opportunity women should encourage young men into female dominated professions.
tjmac7 5 months ago
@tjmac7 "Positive discrimination"? What a load of shit. Men and women are NOT equal, and there's nothing "discriminatory" about moves towards equality. I'm great with men being encouraged to go into nursing, but it's not remotely comparable to point at nursing being mostly women and the tradition of pushing women into positions like that because we wouldn't want them thinking they could be doctors, do we?
Women deal with violent sexual assault, men deal with occasional jokes, still not equal.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 - Two out of 10 teachers are men, the lowest figure in 40 years and women currently make up between 58% and 59% of those studying medicine degrees while out of 380 Brit soldiers to die in Afghanistan (a conflict voted for by the majority of female Mp's) one was a woman. You obviously see only what it suits you to see. When equality means a 30 minute head start in a marathon then everybody loses.
tjmac7 5 months ago
@tjmac7 No, that's a total load of shit. I see the reality of all those situations, and the reality of what a crock of shit it is to claim that men are being "discriminated" against any of those areas.
I'm great with the idea of recruiting more men to teach, especially in younger grades. I've been extremely active in my town's schools, I was the one that caused my kids' grade school to go from "classroom moms" to "classroom parents" it's NOT about men wanting to teach and being turned away.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 - Two out of 10 teachers are men, the lowest figure in 40 years, a survey by the National Education Association has found (NY Times). Women currently make up between 58% and 59% of those studying medicine degrees. In veterinary degrees, women account for 79% of students (The Guardian). As at 30 August 2011, a total of 380 British forces personnel or MOD civilians have died while serving in Afghanistan since the start of operations in October 2001 (MOD fact sheet)
tjmac7 5 months ago
@tjmac7 Proving nothing whatsoever except that in a FEW instances the pervasive sexism against women is beginning to fade.
As for teachers, please show me a SINGLE case of a qualified male teacher being turned down. Men are NOT discriminated against in teaching, we're BEGGING men to come teach.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@tjmac7 And when society takes a group of people and causes, through no fault of their own, 30 minutes worth of obstacles, then yes a 30 minute head start IS appropriate. Believe me I know what's happening on major college campuses across America, and it is NOT a problem of "white kids just can't get in".
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 - Do you have an actual specific example of any young woman being discriminated against or are these all hypotheticals? What are these obstacles that you think have been deliberatley placed to make women stumble? I see most miners and engineers are men but women dont seem to apply, no discrimination there either right? It only seems to be the lucrative management positions where 'equality' is demanded, nobody demands more women down a mine shaft.
tjmac7 5 months ago
@tjmac7 You're kidding, right? You think there's no discrimination against women? That they're paid the same for equal work? That there's no "glass ceiling"? That a meeting of the CEOs of the business on the Dow Jones would be full of women? Come on, that's absurd, yes I know women who've been discriminated against, nearly every woman I know, from people overlooked for promotion to those who were discouraged from going into work that wasn't "ladylike".
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 - Discouragement from hard labour is NOT discrimination. Raising a family is NOT oppression. I asked for a specific example of how young women are discriminated against but you trot out the old pay gap and glass ceiling. When retail is compared with mining there are gonna be a few discrepancies in pay, when women leave work to raise children they may not receive a pay rise that year, when a man elects to work in the oil industry while his wife chooses childcare pay will vary.
tjmac7 5 months ago
@tjmac7 Oh, fuck off. It damn well IS discrimination to talk about "hard work" when it's to OVERCOME DISCRIMINATION! Where the FUCK did I say raising a family was "oppression"? I DID NOT. But thinking WOMEN are to raise the family and MEN are to earn the bread is discrimination, is bigoted, is evil, is stupid.
I don't "trot out" SHIT, the pay gap is real, the glass ceiling is real. i will NOT violate the privacy of my friends by giving their individual stories, which you'll shit on anyway.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@tjmac7 Wow, I've never SEEN anyone so determined to support bigotry and discrimination. I don't "trot out" SHIT. The pay gap is real, the glass ceiling is REAL. I'll not submit to your demands to violate the privacy of my friends with individual examples, especially when there are MILLIONS. This is NOT 'discrepancies", this is men get paid more for the SAME WORK, are MORE likely to be promoted, ESPECIALLY the higher up you go in corporate structure. This is NOT about children, it's sexism.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 - lmfao, its unreasonable to ask a feminist for an example to support her spurious bull shit. No 'demands' no 'violation of privacy' here lol. Why give a single example when there are millions of examples that still dont prove a point lol.
tjmac7 5 months ago
@tjmac7 There's nothing "spurious" about the notion of simple equality, and opposition to it is bullshit. Yeah, you ARE asking me to give private details of peoples' lives that are none of your damn business, nor would anyone with more than 3 or 4 working brain cells NEED them to see the incredible amount of discrimination rampant in our society today. The point's been proven, except to those who refuse to see reality because they prefer their sexist ignorance.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@tjmac7 First off, I'm not a "her", secondly there's nothing remotely "spurious" about the notion of equality. You ARE asking for private details of peoples' lives that are not only none of your business but not REMOTELY needed to prove that sexism and discrimination exist. You have to live in a CAVE to think otherwise.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@tjmac7 And where the hell does it say women have to be the caregiver? Let the MAN leave the oil industry (better yet, let EVERYONE leave that industry and get rid of it altogether) and care for the kids, let the WOMAN do the work. Why not?
Because it's ASSUMED that man works, woman stays home barefoot and pregnant. And if that ain't discrimination, I'm the easter bunny.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 - lets get rid of the oil industry altogether, that will even out the sexes, what with women ploughing the fields with oxen and what not. For fucks sake.
tjmac7 5 months ago
@tjmac7 Your stupidity is just remarkable. Without fossil fuels, oxen are the only alternative energy source you can imagine?
You're TRYING to ignore reality when it's not expedient to your politics of bigotry and greed.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@tjmac7 Whether the obstacles are "intentional" or not doesn't matter, if we don't ACTIVELY work to remove them and level the playing field, they're intentional obstacles.
NO, it most certainly is NOT "discrimination" that women aren't trying to get into many mining jobs, although those that do are subject to harassment, and far less likely to be elected into union leadership. Engineers is SURE a matter of discrimination, from the time they're girls and discouraged from pursuing heavy math.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 - If your obstacles are not intentional then it is not discrimination, is it. Simple really.
tjmac7 5 months ago
@tjmac7 YES, asshole, it damn well IS discrimination if the obstacles CAN be removed, and are not. If the playing field CAN be leveled, and is not.
You've obviously avoided checking the facts from the other day, as you're no longer (thank God) trying to promote this rancid lie that Dr. King's words should be perverted to oppose affirmative action.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 - wow, you are confused. All i asked for was an example. Its ilegal to employ men and women in the same role but pay women less but still we have to suffer tired old excuses why women dont want to
tjmac7 5 months ago
@tjmac7 I'm not remotely confused, just disgusted. You say it's illegal, but it happens all the time. How many companies on the Dow Jones are run by women? Or minorities? Opportunities for advancement are one of MANY areas in which discrimination still exists.
FUCK YOU and your "tired old excuses", what is tired is your old excuses for why sexism should be allowed.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 - "it happens all the time" Just one specific example please. The Dow dominated by men is not evidence of discrimination just as nursing dominated by women is not.
tjmac7 5 months ago
@tjmac7 Whether the obstacles are "intentional" or not doesn't matter, if we don't ACTIVELY work to remove them and level the playing field, they're intentional obstacles.
NO, it most certainly is NOT "discrimination" that women aren't trying to get into many mining jobs, although those that do are subject to harassment, and far less likely to be elected into union leadership. Engineers is SURE a matter of discrimination, from the time they're girls and discouraged from pursuing heavy math.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
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@tjmac7 Whether the obstacles are "intentional" or not doesn't matter, if we don't ACTIVELY work to remove them and level the playing field, they're intentional obstacles.
NO, it most certainly is NOT "discrimination" that women aren't trying to get into many mining jobs, although those that do are subject to harassment, and far less likely to be elected into union leadership. Engineers is SURE a matter of discrimination, from the time they're girls and discouraged from pursuing heavy math.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
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@tjmac7 Whether the obstacles are "intentional" or not doesn't matter, if we don't ACTIVELY work to remove them and level the playing field, they're intentional obstacles.
NO, it most certainly is NOT "discrimination" that women aren't trying to get into many mining jobs, although those that do are subject to harassment, and far less likely to be elected into union leadership. Engineers is SURE a matter of discrimination, from the time they're girls and discouraged from pursuing heavy math.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@tjmac7 It's INSANE to claim that discrimination is OK in management positions because you can think of a couple of things women are less likely to pursue.
AGAIN, and this has been explained before, although I can't believe you're so dense it would NEED to be explained, you are NOT showing doors closed to men ANYWHERE. But management doors ARE closed to women.
Comparing the two situations is just plain idiotic, trying to make excuses for inexcusable bigotry and discrimination.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 - Who said discrimination is ok? Women can pursue ANY career they choose. What management door is closed to women, you nearly had one as president right? The CommSec analysis comparing mining to retail is what is idiotic, if male dominated industries are outperforming female dominated industries then isnt it time women learned to weld, mine and cut metal? Nobody is telling girls what they can and cant study, it is all in your head.
tjmac7 5 months ago
@tjmac7 You're just LYING, or a complete idiot. NO, asshole, women can NOT pursue any career they choose, there is DISCRIMINATION against them, in the workplace and in education. You named ONE WOMAN who ALMOST got made president, she's now secretary of state. how many cabinet posts, even in this paradigm smashing administration, are women? Why ALMOST having one woman in line with over 40 men is "equality" to you?
It is NOT in my head, it is PROVEN FACT girls are pushed away from some subjects.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 - Who is pushing girls away from lucrative subjects? Baring in mind approx 8 out of every 10 teachers are women? Hillary, Condoleeza et al did pretty well considering how few women even stand in the 1st place. (i havent lied about a single thing) You should come back when you have some facts to back up your spurious argument.
tjmac7 5 months ago
@tjmac7 Teachers, the media, society, parents, this is all PROVEN FACT, not some crackpot theory. BEARING, not baring, and AGAIN there is nothing like discrimination against men in education.
You just named TWO women in cabinets, after I showed the the single most diverse cabinet ever had only one in three members a female. You've lied about PLENTY. And I've backed up EVERYTHING I've said with facts, none of them "spurious".
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 - How are women DISCRIMINATED against in education? NY Times says 8 in 10 teachers are women so who is doing the discriminating and why do you continuously blame men? Women arent equally represented in the cabinet because they arent equally represented in parliament (because they CHOOSE not to run and women CHOOSE not to vote for them). Again no discrimination just individual CHOICE. Take some responsibility and stop blaming everyone else, youre like a spoilt child.
tjmac7 5 months ago
@tjmac7 You keep repeating the same foolish bullshit. First off, discrimination in education does NOT refer to getting jobs teaching 4th graders. NOBODY is preventing men from doing so, but I'm talking about women RECEIVING education, where a great deal of discrimination still persists, in math and science (undergrad degrees in computer and info sciences, percentage going to women is actually FALLING sharply) plus in career and tech education, and Title IX compliance is still pathetically bad.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@tjmac7 There's nothing BUT discrimination in women not being in the cabinet, parliament or the Congress is FAR from the only place one can find qualified candidates.
To claim this is about "choice" is bullshit, it's about pervasive, longstanding discrimination.
Shove "spoiled child" up your ass, the spoiled children are the white men with EVERY advantage whining about how picked on they are, like rich kids crying because they only got a new BMW for their sweet 16 instead of a Benz.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 - You are the real bigot, it is you who stands in the way of progress, it is you who misrepresents every argument and thus discredits any genuine move towards equality. It is you who discriminates and hates based on race and gender. It is you who fails to understand because you are too ignorant to offer examples to support your bigoted machinations, indeed YOU are the problem and it is people like YOU that hold women back. The 70's are over and i pity your poor offspring.
tjmac7 5 months ago
@tjmac7 Ah, some things are predictable like the sun rising in the east, bigots will tell those who oppose bigotry "You're the 'real' bigot", the pee wee herman defense, "I know you are but what I am."
I'm standing in the way of the "progress" of inequality and bigotry, you bet your ass I am, I'll lay my body on the tracks in front of that progress.
I haven't misrepresented jack shit, I don't hate ANYBODY based on race or sex, you lying motherfucker., I'm not discriminating against ANYONE.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@tjmac7 I don't "fail to understand" your pathetic simplistic KKK horseshit, I am NOT "ignorant" you bastard because I will not violate the rights of my friends to play your cheap, scummy games. There are MOUNTAINS of PROOF discrimination exists, the personal details are none of your fucking business.
I hold women back? Go to hell. YOU hold them back ON PURPOSE with your lies.
The 70s are over? Because bastards like you took over, guess what, DECENT PEOPLE ARE FIGHTING BACK. more
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@tjmac7 You're truly the scum of the earth. You pity my offspring? Go fuck yourself. I pray you have no offspring, the only thing scarier than girls being raised in a house where women belong in the kitchen silent and submissive is BOYS being raised by such troglodyte mindset. That they go into school, into the world, into the workplace thinking they've EARNED special treatment because they have a dick. That they've EARNED more money than women, EARNED the CEO chair with testosterone.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 - You’re a different species aren’t you? It would be best left to evolution to take care of you, and as you undoubtedly misunderstand, misrepresent and fail to grasp the general principle of evolution i will say this: It doesn’t matter whether you believe in it or not, things weren’t designed to trip you up, sometimes that’s just the way it is so stop fucking moaning about it.
tjmac7 5 months ago
@tjmac7 I will be cold and dead before I stop fighting for justice, I don't give a shit whether fascists and bigots like you like it or not, whether you think it's "moaning" or think some lunacy like I "don't grasp the general principle of evolution". In fact, I do...which is that the species is SUPPOSED to move FORWARD not cling to our troglodyte attitudes of the past.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 - Evolution, it's all about survival, your cold dead body can only speed up the process. You do what you gotta do but remember it has fuck all to do with your sense of direction or what YOU feel we're SUPPOSED to do.
tjmac7 5 months ago
@tjmac7 What a crummy excuse for a human being you are. If for you it's "all about survival" your life will finish with no value at all. A life spent SERVING OTHERS is the purpose of living. You do NOT gotta do what you gotta do to screw others over to make yourself fat and rich. It's not what I "feel" we're supposed to do, it's what I KNOW we're supposed to do.
And the ironic thing is that selfish bastards like yourself are making this a far, far worse world...even for the selfish bastards.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 - You have grown really quite boring now but it was a pleasure putting you right on a few things. If you feel the need to chat some more about any of your other delusions on any other topics feel free to drop me a line and i'll do my best. x
tjmac7 5 months ago
@tjmac7 You didn't "put me right" on anything, you've just repeated the same despicable KKK lies I've heard from a thousand other bigots and ignorant clowns.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
prisonerNumber9653 - slander, insults, name calling, misrepresentation, refusal /inability to offer evidence, all prized qualities of left wingnutslike yourself and all revealing of your true character, some people are more equal than others right. Predictable, boring and wrong.
tjmac7 5 months ago
@tjmac7 It's not slander if it's true, I haven't misrepresented ANYTHING, have NOT refused to offer evidence, only to NOT take part in your scumbag attempts to violate the privacy of people, NONE of which would have dented your cult-like clinging to the KKK lies you've ingested. Seeing the PROVEN FACT that discrimination exists does not make one a "nut", nor does following reasonable and appropriate measures to repair said discrimination.
Was Martin Luther King a "nut"?
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@tjmac7 Ah, the "more equal" bullshit! There's not a SINGLE example of ANY minority group asking for MORE than others already have. SIMPLE EQUALITY, not "more equal" but EXACTLY equal, is all blacks, gays, women, immigrants, Muslims, or ANYBODY ELSE is asking.
You refuse. You want straight, white, Christian, wealthy, native-born men to KEEP the unfair advantages we already hold for no good reason at all.
You're right, my defense of equality does reveal true character, and you show a lack.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 - 'straight, white, Christian, wealthy, native-born men ' 'kkk' ??? wtf, you're not just another species, you're from another planet. Seriously now, get a grip.
tjmac7 5 months ago
@tjmac7 You think there's no discrimination against minorities, against gays, against the poor, against immigrants, against religious minorities...sorry, you're in no position to talk about anyone "getting a grip", you probably have people patting you on the back for your bigotry and ignorance, hell, you must (it's why right wing hate radio exists, so people like you can be made to feel you're doing nothing wrong) but you've lost a grip on reality long, long ago.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 - Text book case of projection.
tjmac7 5 months ago
@tjmac7 Funny, I asked you if you thought Martin Luther King was a nut. You never answered.
No, it's not "projection", you're truly out of touch with reality. If you think there's no discrimination, you're not only hiding from reality, you're making the problem worse.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 - You're aggresive and delusional and as such i will have nothing more to do with you. i am not a shrink . Get behind me Satan.
tjmac7 5 months ago
@tjmac7 Delusional? You've yet to show one WORD I've said to be untrue. And you've CONTINUED to hide like a scared child from a simple question.
Don't you DARE blaspheme by calling me "Satan" as if God supports your despicable bigotry and greed. That's just offensive, just sick. You're truly perverted.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
tjmac7 5 months ago
@tjmac7 Still more outright blasphemy. You've yet to show anything I've said to be 'lies', and claiming that being against racism, sexism, and bigotry makes one 'satan' is truly an insult to God. You just keep getting lower and lower, sleazier and sleazier.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 - Slanderer, you reveal yourself.
tjmac7 5 months ago
@tjmac7 And it's STILL not slander if it's true.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@tjmac7 Oh, and don't bother answering about the cabinet, the answer is of 21, seven are women. And I'd bet it's the most we've EVER had. It was five out of 34 in the Bush years, for instance.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Funny how you IGNORED this...five out of 34, and you claim that because of Hilary Clinton being Sec of State discrimination against women in high public office is over.
There've been 39 women in the US Senate...IN HISTORY. Out of thousands. Yeah, those poor picked on men, ESPECIALLY white men, how discriminated against they are.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
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@PrisonerNumber9653 - Who said discrimination is ok? Women can pursue ANY career they choose. What management door is closed to women, you nearly had one as president right? The CommSec analysis comparing mining to retail is what is idiotic, if male dominated industries are outperforming female dominated industries then isnt it time women learned to weld, mine and cut metal? Nobody is telling girls what they can and cant study, it is all in your head.
tjmac7 5 months ago
I cannot post the link, but the second picture in the google "male athlete" search is of a group of four nude rugby players with rugby balls covering their genitalia.
This is not an issue of gender inequality, but rather of a lack of the embracing of both male and female as sexual animals. The real problem lies in religious moral standards that suggest that being sexual or provocative is a negative thing.
doofus8812 1 year ago
post the link pleaseee, i would really like to download this and show it in my assignment!
Sairzbabesz 1 year ago
Thank you for this video! It has a great message, is well put together, and the sound track rocks!!!
GravityMagazineVideo 1 year ago
I did the google image search thing, might wanna check that one again.
PAKMAN52 1 year ago