Elvis that thieving mothafucka,. Everything he sang was a copy from Black artists such as Big Mama Thornton. How dare they call him the king of rock that fraud ass, trifling cracker.
It says something that many people can only write this up in relation to Elvis. Does anybody really think that stuff like this would have been sufficient to change the direction of popular music, I mean challenge quality like Bennett, Sinatra, Fitzgerald, Crosby, Cole et al? The song is OK but people write as though it's a lost Bach cantata. It isn't. It took an Elvis to make these OK country and blues songs something more than they were. As songs, they don't challenge the Great American Songbk.
@hardyfh1 I think you are missing the point. Well, a couple, really. For one, a major appeal here is STYLE. True enough, this song is very simplistic, but it's the way that Thornton and guitarist Pete Lewis perform that is distinctive (and which was ultimately revolutionary for American popular music). Don't get me wrong, I love Sinatra/Crosby et al, but that is a whole different ball of wax - they all performed in more or less the same style, with slight variations.
@hardyfh1 And second, there is the issue of Elvis "making" these songs "something more than they were," as you put it. I love Elvis, but that is rather unfair to the original performers, and there is a whole history here of white performers covering black original songs and making them famous. It should be obvious, but the history we're talking about is pre-Civil Rights America: it's no accident that a white male performer is the one who made these songs famous.
If you think this 78 sounds good, I bet the original master tape - if it still exists - would blow us away. It's an exceptionally well-engineered recording for it's day - even more so for R&B - using close-proximity miking and exceptionally good compression management on Big mama's vocal. These early limiters typicaly produced a lot of distortion on a singer's higher volumes, and getting it right on a voice as dynamic as Big Mama's was no small accomplishment.
(continued)... Remember that 78 rpm records were originally designed for pre-electrical "victrola" recordings. Large horns captured the sound and moved a diaphram that wiggled a groove in the master disc. Playback reversed the process - the groove vibrated a diaphram and its sound was magnified through a large horn so you could hear it. The conversion to electric recordings in the 20's simply added electric amplification to this crude technology and quickly surpassed its physical limitations.
@imthedorf1964 The 16rpm setting was used mainly for speech, talking books and shows etc... they could fit more material on a disc and fidelity wasn't a concern unlike music whereby the faster the speed the higher the sound quality.
@imthedorf1964 Well...yes and no. Although the needle's fast speed through the groove allowed a lot of detail that wouldn't have transfered at a slower speed, the groove and stylus size were HUGE and had to move a lot more mass in the pick-up compared to the "microgroove" technology that replaced it. The ratio of groove/stylus size to speed was actually improved with the slower speed of microgroove technology (33's and 45's) while effectively miniaturizing the whole process.
Great record, and a great video. Scratches and surface noise not with standing - it's surprising how good some of those 78's actually sounded with a good pickup on a commercial grade transcription turntable. First class video, thanks.
I never heard this version before until one day at music appretiation class. And I prefere this version to Elvis's version. But I still like the Elvis version.
I ain't calling no thief king!!
PrinceOfAlbania 3 days ago
Elvis that thieving mothafucka,. Everything he sang was a copy from Black artists such as Big Mama Thornton. How dare they call him the king of rock that fraud ass, trifling cracker.
TheDemythifier 6 days ago
@TheDemythifier DUMB ass
funcooldrew2 3 days ago
Excellent!! Thanks for the post!!
slybear525 1 week ago
whos elvis???
igetsomepussy187 1 month ago
@igetsomepussy187 Are you f*cking serious?
lutiff 1 day ago
Whose name appears on that record as the person who wrote "Hound Dog" ?
onemikehart 1 month ago
Mr. Johnny Otis, the producer of this song, has passed. RIP. January 19, 2012.
ThomasFMPayne 1 month ago
Records made for speech therapy, improvement, or most spoken word records were in 16 RPM
TheBartok9 1 month ago
elvis is a punk as white boy from mississippi
igetsomepussy187 1 month ago
that guitar is so FUCKING stunning
ragtimegals 2 months ago
i hear this is where elvis got it from...
MichaelHansenFUN 2 months ago
I love this :D
BlackBirdFly354 2 months ago
It says something that many people can only write this up in relation to Elvis. Does anybody really think that stuff like this would have been sufficient to change the direction of popular music, I mean challenge quality like Bennett, Sinatra, Fitzgerald, Crosby, Cole et al? The song is OK but people write as though it's a lost Bach cantata. It isn't. It took an Elvis to make these OK country and blues songs something more than they were. As songs, they don't challenge the Great American Songbk.
hardyfh1 5 months ago
@hardyfh1 I think you are missing the point. Well, a couple, really. For one, a major appeal here is STYLE. True enough, this song is very simplistic, but it's the way that Thornton and guitarist Pete Lewis perform that is distinctive (and which was ultimately revolutionary for American popular music). Don't get me wrong, I love Sinatra/Crosby et al, but that is a whole different ball of wax - they all performed in more or less the same style, with slight variations.
ryanjamesbazinet 3 months ago
@hardyfh1 And second, there is the issue of Elvis "making" these songs "something more than they were," as you put it. I love Elvis, but that is rather unfair to the original performers, and there is a whole history here of white performers covering black original songs and making them famous. It should be obvious, but the history we're talking about is pre-Civil Rights America: it's no accident that a white male performer is the one who made these songs famous.
ryanjamesbazinet 3 months ago
does your copy have don robey's signature in the dead wax?
barfielddavid 6 months ago
why would anyone bother listening to Presley when this exists?
guwest2 6 months ago
Now thats telling a story.
MusicFan9428 6 months ago
Rest in peace, Mr Leiber. He was and will always be one of the building blocks of rock and roll.
OnTheWatch 6 months ago
(continued some more)...
If you think this 78 sounds good, I bet the original master tape - if it still exists - would blow us away. It's an exceptionally well-engineered recording for it's day - even more so for R&B - using close-proximity miking and exceptionally good compression management on Big mama's vocal. These early limiters typicaly produced a lot of distortion on a singer's higher volumes, and getting it right on a voice as dynamic as Big Mama's was no small accomplishment.
Shufflerisms 7 months ago
(continued)... Remember that 78 rpm records were originally designed for pre-electrical "victrola" recordings. Large horns captured the sound and moved a diaphram that wiggled a groove in the master disc. Playback reversed the process - the groove vibrated a diaphram and its sound was magnified through a large horn so you could hear it. The conversion to electric recordings in the 20's simply added electric amplification to this crude technology and quickly surpassed its physical limitations.
Shufflerisms 7 months ago
Grabbed by the nethers from second 1.
nesnejls 7 months ago
Damn, that opening scream just about knocked me out of my chair!!
And could anybody tell me why old record players had a 16 rpm setting?
imthedorf1964 7 months ago
@imthedorf1964 The 16rpm setting was used mainly for speech, talking books and shows etc... they could fit more material on a disc and fidelity wasn't a concern unlike music whereby the faster the speed the higher the sound quality.
Deck.
Deckswax 7 months ago
@Deckswax Interesting. l've never even seen a 16 rpm record before.
And as for what u said about the sound quality being better if the speed is higher, that must be true cuz this sounds crystal clear.
imthedorf1964 7 months ago
@imthedorf1964 Well...yes and no. Although the needle's fast speed through the groove allowed a lot of detail that wouldn't have transfered at a slower speed, the groove and stylus size were HUGE and had to move a lot more mass in the pick-up compared to the "microgroove" technology that replaced it. The ratio of groove/stylus size to speed was actually improved with the slower speed of microgroove technology (33's and 45's) while effectively miniaturizing the whole process.
Shufflerisms 7 months ago
Great record, and a great video. Scratches and surface noise not with standing - it's surprising how good some of those 78's actually sounded with a good pickup on a commercial grade transcription turntable. First class video, thanks.
Shufflerisms 7 months ago
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sdgakatbk 8 months ago
In the words of George Carlin:
"Fuck Elvis."
chenalos 8 months ago
Owwwahhhhh!!!!
Psycomantis1 9 months ago
what the fuck! how have i not heard this, it pwns elvis up the bunghole
cha1tman 9 months ago
why the fuck did someone dislike this?!!
supermanthesunny 9 months ago
I never heard this version before until one day at music appretiation class. And I prefere this version to Elvis's version. But I still like the Elvis version.
MegaOrwell1984 11 months ago
Elvis version ... I can't even listen to it after hearing this...
lNHUMANE 1 year ago
@lNHUMANE
completely agree...don't get me wrong Elvis' version wasn't terrible but I really like this version by Big Mama!
ZohraAsibgurl22 1 year ago
how did this not because a hit? Elvis's version sucks in comparison
SirFrostyWins 1 year ago
@SirFrostyWins You are comparing 2 completely different genres of music. It cannot be done. This is blues, Elvis is Rock and Roll.
ChrisPenta 1 year ago
@ChrisPenta nonsense
philipperholland 8 months ago
Elvis's copy-cat version cannot hold a candle to big mama.
clarencepaul 1 year ago
Better!! then Elvis's version...
sopaman1234 2 years ago
Yes, Willie Mae sure gives it some.
A scorcher, glad you like it.
Deckswax 2 years ago
Awesome version :))
vespa202 2 years ago