At least I know the subject thoroughly, having read several books about the Irving vs. Lipstadt/Penguin trial written by leading historians, and many more on related subjects such as the history of National Socialism, the Holocaust etc.
What is your level of expertise on these subjects? Have you read van Pelt? Evans? Browning? Hilberg? Lipstadt? Others? Which titles?
David Irving. As a historian, I tried to see your film in Melbourne. Unfortunately the cinema was surrounded by Jewish youth. I did not come to see your film because I have an opinion one way or other, but merely to 'entertain' someone's view. But, I said to my friend, well is there any other culture in Melbourne to where we might go tonight ? Well. The answer was 'no' !
I am pretty sure that Churchill did not, for example, have babies shot at point blank range, or gas people with Zyklon B.
Stalin was obviously a genocidal maniac, although probably not quite as perverted as Himmler, because Stalin slaughtered people because they were ostensibly his political enemies whereas Himmler did it because he wanted to exterminate the entire Jewish race from babies to grandfathers.
@Jtoksa2 Oh yes, Zyklon-B, the insecticide never before of after used for mass killing of people. It was widely used as a pesticide to kill lice in the camps, though. You might want to read the Leuchter report and the Rudolf report to make a re-judgement on Zyklon-B and the gas chambers (or morgues/leichenkeller as revisionists call them).
According to Wikipedia the Leuchter report is a pseudoscientific document used in the legal defense of the German-Canadian Nazi and a holocaust denialist Ernst Zündel.
Zündel, by the way, is the guy who also wrote that the Germans built flying saucer bases in the Antarctic, in other words a crackpot, completely cuckoo.
Leuchter himself was dismissed as an expert witness on the grounds of incompetence.
If you believe this sort of crap, you are a very gullible person indeed.
Rudolf is a notorious holocaust denialist who was sentenced to prison for several years in Germany for inciting hatred, disparaging the dead, and libel.
May I ask what Holocaust literature, apart from disgusting Neo-Nazi and holocaust denialist scribblings, have you actually read?
@Jtoksa2 So you have no arguments but to use the Hitler card ? What specific books I or you have read is of very little importance, our arguments closeness to historical reality is all that matters.
> you have no arguments but to use the Hitler card
While it is true that Argumentum ad Hitlerum is generally a sub-par argument, there is one case when it is relevant, namely, when dealing with real Nazis, such as the assholes and Nazi flying saucer advocates you quoted.
> our arguments closeness to historical reality is all that matters
How much do you know about the einsatzgruppen and the police battalions who slaughtered Jews in Russia and int the Generalgouvernement? Does Aktion Reinhard ring a bell?
How much do you know about the Germans' camp network and slave labor institutions?
How about the use of planned starvation as means of killing people?
How does one talk about a subject with a person who does not know anything about it?
@Jtoksa2 I know some and I am looking to know more. How much do you know about the Holodomor, the Gulag death toll, the Bengal famine, Vinnytsa&Katyn massacres, who invented concentration camps. Your just making empty claims.
> How much do you know about the Holodomor, the Gulag death toll
Your statement means that in your opinion the fact that other regimes have also committed monstrous crimes somehow vindicates the Nazis.
This appears to be a Tu Quoque logical fallacy. One act of barbarism cannot magically bestow justification to another, especially when the two are completely unrelated.
Also it is a red herring fallacy because the topic is Nazi crimes, not for example Stalin's crimes.
The only documents which you have references as supporting your case, the Leuchter report and the Rudolf report, have both been discredited ages ago.
Their credibility is zero, yet the Holocaust denialists and Neo-Nazis keep circulating them because they do not have anything better to support their ludicrous claims.
They have declared a war against the truth and against the memory of the victims of Nazism.
@Jtoksa2 Nazi card again. You claim they have been discredited I claim they haven't. Surely they contain errors like all (well, almost all) scientific research. So do the works of Hillberg & co.
The Leuchter report claims that they were unable to find cyanide residue in their amateurish "forensic experiments" which "proves" that gas chambers did not exist (subsequently cyanide traces have been found by real scientists though).
But all of that is inconsequential anyway because the truth about the Holocaust is known because of thousands upon thousands of testimonials, confessions and documents, not chemical experiments.
@LottoWinner999 The "chicken farmer" smear is typical Jew controlled mass media hatred of farmers. If it wasn't for farmers you wouldn't have anything to eat, you moron.
@SaveSoaps Heinrich Himmlers was a smear of shit in the 1ST + he refused to fight in the Battle of Berlin. Of course he was such a Chicken Shit Chicken Farmer were he cackled like a cowardly Rooster he was, cluck cluckin, bluck, bluck cockle doodle do do I am Herinch Himmler + Germanys biggest chicken + am to yellow to fight. Hitler called him my true Heinrich but old Himmler was trying to save his own ass by negotiating with the Allies. Indeed Heinrich Himmler was a cowardly chicken farmer.
@LottoWinner999 Heinrich Himmler is a legend, you are a nobody and a nothing. I'm sorry you are so jealous of Himmler because you are such a worthless loser. No one even knows your name, you invisible piece of garbage.
How dare you allege Heinrich Himmler did not commit suicide. The MI6 should make lawmakers forbid such antisemitic anti-British allegations in Germany and other ex-Axis nations' societies. Himmler committed secret suicide, even if it cannot be proven, you must believe, like David Irving must believe the Holocaust in future, or be in prison again.
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@TheMrTwitt
> I don't like messing with shit. It is contageous.
You may not like receiving orthography lessons from a person to whom English is a foreign language, but it's actually spelled "contagious".
What is your level of expertise on the subject of the video? Have you read van Pelt? Evans? Browning? Hilberg? Lipstadt? Others? Which titles?
Jtoksa2 1 month ago
@TheMrTwitt
At least I know the subject thoroughly, having read several books about the Irving vs. Lipstadt/Penguin trial written by leading historians, and many more on related subjects such as the history of National Socialism, the Holocaust etc.
What is your level of expertise on these subjects? Have you read van Pelt? Evans? Browning? Hilberg? Lipstadt? Others? Which titles?
Jtoksa2 1 month ago
David Irving. As a historian, I tried to see your film in Melbourne. Unfortunately the cinema was surrounded by Jewish youth. I did not come to see your film because I have an opinion one way or other, but merely to 'entertain' someone's view. But, I said to my friend, well is there any other culture in Melbourne to where we might go tonight ? Well. The answer was 'no' !
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Himmler, like most other leading National Socialists, took the easy way out. He did not want to have to face the responsibility for killing millions.
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Jtoksa2 5 months ago
Himmler, like most other leading National Socialists, took the easy way out. He did not want to have to face the responsibility for killing millions.
Jtoksa2 5 months ago
@Jtoksa2 Unlike Churchill, FDR, and Stalin who never harmed a soul upholding their empires.
Boldenberg 5 months ago
@Boldenberg
I am pretty sure that Churchill did not, for example, have babies shot at point blank range, or gas people with Zyklon B.
Stalin was obviously a genocidal maniac, although probably not quite as perverted as Himmler, because Stalin slaughtered people because they were ostensibly his political enemies whereas Himmler did it because he wanted to exterminate the entire Jewish race from babies to grandfathers.
Jtoksa2 4 months ago
@Jtoksa2 Oh yes, Zyklon-B, the insecticide never before of after used for mass killing of people. It was widely used as a pesticide to kill lice in the camps, though. You might want to read the Leuchter report and the Rudolf report to make a re-judgement on Zyklon-B and the gas chambers (or morgues/leichenkeller as revisionists call them).
Boldenberg 4 months ago
@Boldenberg
According to Wikipedia the Leuchter report is a pseudoscientific document used in the legal defense of the German-Canadian Nazi and a holocaust denialist Ernst Zündel.
Zündel, by the way, is the guy who also wrote that the Germans built flying saucer bases in the Antarctic, in other words a crackpot, completely cuckoo.
Leuchter himself was dismissed as an expert witness on the grounds of incompetence.
If you believe this sort of crap, you are a very gullible person indeed.
Jtoksa2 4 months ago
@Boldenberg
Rudolf is a notorious holocaust denialist who was sentenced to prison for several years in Germany for inciting hatred, disparaging the dead, and libel.
May I ask what Holocaust literature, apart from disgusting Neo-Nazi and holocaust denialist scribblings, have you actually read?
Jtoksa2 4 months ago
@Jtoksa2 So you have no arguments but to use the Hitler card ? What specific books I or you have read is of very little importance, our arguments closeness to historical reality is all that matters.
Boldenberg 4 months ago
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@Boldenberg
> you have no arguments but to use the Hitler card
While it is true that Argumentum ad Hitlerum is generally a sub-par argument, there is one case when it is relevant, namely, when dealing with real Nazis, such as the assholes and Nazi flying saucer advocates you quoted.
Jtoksa2 4 months ago
@Boldenberg
> our arguments closeness to historical reality is all that matters
How much do you know about the einsatzgruppen and the police battalions who slaughtered Jews in Russia and int the Generalgouvernement? Does Aktion Reinhard ring a bell?
How much do you know about the Germans' camp network and slave labor institutions?
How about the use of planned starvation as means of killing people?
How does one talk about a subject with a person who does not know anything about it?
Jtoksa2 4 months ago
@Jtoksa2 I know some and I am looking to know more. How much do you know about the Holodomor, the Gulag death toll, the Bengal famine, Vinnytsa&Katyn massacres, who invented concentration camps. Your just making empty claims.
Boldenberg 4 months ago
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@Boldenberg
> How much do you know about the Holodomor, the Gulag death toll
Your statement means that in your opinion the fact that other regimes have also committed monstrous crimes somehow vindicates the Nazis.
This appears to be a Tu Quoque logical fallacy. One act of barbarism cannot magically bestow justification to another, especially when the two are completely unrelated.
Also it is a red herring fallacy because the topic is Nazi crimes, not for example Stalin's crimes.
Jtoksa2 4 months ago
@Boldenberg
> Your just making empty claims.
How is this for an empty claim:
The only documents which you have references as supporting your case, the Leuchter report and the Rudolf report, have both been discredited ages ago.
Their credibility is zero, yet the Holocaust denialists and Neo-Nazis keep circulating them because they do not have anything better to support their ludicrous claims.
They have declared a war against the truth and against the memory of the victims of Nazism.
Jtoksa2 4 months ago
@Jtoksa2 Nazi card again. You claim they have been discredited I claim they haven't. Surely they contain errors like all (well, almost all) scientific research. So do the works of Hillberg & co.
Boldenberg 4 months ago
@Boldenberg
> So do the works of Hillberg & co.
You have actually read Hilberg's book (The Destruction of the European Jews)?
Why didn't you say so when I asked you which Holocaust books you have read?
Which are some of the most serious errors you found?
Jtoksa2 4 months ago
@Boldenberg
> they have been discredited I claim they haven't
The Leuchter report claims that they were unable to find cyanide residue in their amateurish "forensic experiments" which "proves" that gas chambers did not exist (subsequently cyanide traces have been found by real scientists though).
But all of that is inconsequential anyway because the truth about the Holocaust is known because of thousands upon thousands of testimonials, confessions and documents, not chemical experiments.
Jtoksa2 4 months ago
Himmler was ingenious and smart, yet evil and
sinister.
Himmler's face is something attractive.
khaikhai1313 6 months ago
So its possible he was murdered like Hess? interesting, didnt know that
StyrbjornStarke 7 months ago
@jcarlosb55 More famous than you will ever be Pedro.
SaveSoaps 1 year ago
@LottoWinner999 The "chicken farmer" smear is typical Jew controlled mass media hatred of farmers. If it wasn't for farmers you wouldn't have anything to eat, you moron.
SaveSoaps 1 year ago 2
@SaveSoaps Heinrich Himmlers was a smear of shit in the 1ST + he refused to fight in the Battle of Berlin. Of course he was such a Chicken Shit Chicken Farmer were he cackled like a cowardly Rooster he was, cluck cluckin, bluck, bluck cockle doodle do do I am Herinch Himmler + Germanys biggest chicken + am to yellow to fight. Hitler called him my true Heinrich but old Himmler was trying to save his own ass by negotiating with the Allies. Indeed Heinrich Himmler was a cowardly chicken farmer.
LottoWinner999 1 year ago
@LottoWinner999 Heinrich Himmler is a legend, you are a nobody and a nothing. I'm sorry you are so jealous of Himmler because you are such a worthless loser. No one even knows your name, you invisible piece of garbage.
SaveSoaps 1 year ago
@SaveSoaps I know his name ! And another thing. Garbage is only garbage if it is visible .
JohnS1704 5 months ago
Himmler committed suicide.
mccarrpo 1 year ago
The video stops half way before it is explained why David Irving is there.
OrodesIII 1 year ago
@LottoWinner999 You should look up irony in your dictionary.
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
How dare you allege Heinrich Himmler did not commit suicide. The MI6 should make lawmakers forbid such antisemitic anti-British allegations in Germany and other ex-Axis nations' societies. Himmler committed secret suicide, even if it cannot be proven, you must believe, like David Irving must believe the Holocaust in future, or be in prison again.
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
"I had to come here..."
ROFLMFAO! No shit!
If only there was a grave, eh Dave?
timpovikings 1 year ago
Das stimmt nicht , er beging nachweislich Selbstmord .
Wie alle feigen Nazi-Größen , ich krieg das kotzen wenn ich an die Leute nur denke
die diese Ideologie befürworten .
Drewes16 1 year ago
I know Himmler was killed by the British secret service,he did not commit suicide!
Truth4Everyone 1 year ago 3
@Truth4Everyone In the old film of Himmler laying there dead his nose is crooked which makes it look like the British interrogators broke his nose.
SaveSoaps 1 year ago