Starfleet to picard: " We have urgent news...a group known as the "Jedi" has engaged the borg..We need you to go there and help them (5 min later) worf set a course for..Hoth...Worf..aye sir..It has not been charted before in starfleet records "
SW can send lone starfighter pilot into borg-cube's thruster vent and fire a photon torpedo to the core, and kabloooueee! In ST there's no small fighter...
You think the Borg couldn't adapt to "lasers" when a laser cannot even penetrate a Starship's navigation field? The Borg would easily and mercilessly lay waste to all that is Star Wars.
The Star Destroyer would be dispatched with with little effort. It wouldn't have time to fire up it's propulsion system before the Borg destroyed it utterly.
Okay Galaxy spanning empire against a race that spans a few dozen solar system? Not to mention a star destroyer is probably like 100 times bigger then a Borg cube? If the Borg somehow adapted to the lasers the SD could just fly into the cubes and cruise past them. Hard to imagine the Borg adapting to that.
Unleash Lord Vader on the borg and we'll have some fun. He'll be choking the Borg Queen in no time. The force has a strong impact on the weak mind. And the borg are completely mindless.
@summer20105707 Wrong. The Borg have 1 mind, trillions of wills strong. Also, the Borg don't need to breathe, so your choke just makes her laugh as a dozen Tactical Drones cut down a Sith.
@IceGavel A dozen or even ten dozen tactical drones wouldn't even get within an inch of Lord Vader. His force abilities would prevent them from even touching him
LOL THAT IS WHY I PERFER STAR TREK OVER STAR WARS,THERE ARE JUST TOO MANY THINGS GOING ON WITH THE STAR TREK`S HISTORY THAN STAR WARS,DID STAR WARS HAVE A TRANSPORTER,COULD THEY TIME TRAVEL AND DID THEY HAVE( MY FAVORITE) A HOLLADECK(if this word is mispelled,you know what I mean) BUT I ALSO LIKE STAR WARS,I`M JUST A TREKADELIC...
@5mralbert Time Travel to the past is impossible. Stephen Hawking said so. That means, with all of the spiritual stuff in Star Wars, it's still more scientifically accurate. Lol, just kidding. Stark Trek kicks ass, but don't count out Star Wars. They're both great.
i have to say that since the star wars ships use simple laser cannon bursts there nothing for the borg to adapt to(probably)on the reverse side, possibly the borg could adapt to the shots and the star wars ships would have only gotten off 5 or 6 shots before there weaps are useless but ive seen ppl compare this before and really it wont ever happen because your comparing two different sci-fi shows... but perion makes some good points lol
Gotta give the Rebels credit - they didn't give up and even managed to take out one of the cubes. If it hadn't been for the second one, they'd have come out all right. I didn't think a couple fighters, bombers and a capital ship could do that... Hell, it took a whole battlegroup of Starfleet ships to take out one cube, and that was with Picard's unfair advantage!
It's just too bad Borg cubes are decentralized and don't have conveniently placed exhaust ports...
@Dargonhuman Well considering the firepower disparity between the two franchises, they really needed to nerf the Rebels and beef up the Borg in order for the Cubes to really stand much of a chance.
@Perion Well, given that this is from a game, yea. In an actual match, the Borg's ability to adapt their shields to energy weaponry, the fact that a cube ship can remain functional when over 78% of it is inoperable AND the fact that they can regenerate damage to their ships would give them huge advantages over the higher powered rebel weaponry. The rebels may still be able to kill the first cube, but the second would learn from its demise and dominate anyway.
@Dargonhuman Borg can only adapt to energy weaponry that operates on a set modulation frequency, IE a coherent wave form, Star Wars weaponry doesn't do that, so they can't match frequency. The other problem is that weaponry of sufficient power can blow through Borg defenses regardless of if they match frequency or not, there are limits to their adaptive capabilities.
It was theorized that they could remain functional if 78% is destroyed but in practice this was not the case.
@Perion What firepower disparity? I don't remember any figures given in the films for the Rebels or in the show for the Borg. Don't know who'd be the nerfed one.
@vegeta002 We know what the Empire and Republic are capable of thanks to the ICS Books, which gives us 200,000 megaton scale medium ship guns, and 12,000,000 megaton scale heavy ship guns.
We also know the Federation's capabilities (24 megaton at best photon torpedoes.) and can scale up from that for the Borg based on the battle of sector 001 and other engagements.
@khead99 And the Death Star had a glaringly obvious design flaw/weakness that a Borg cube - thanks to it's highly decentralized nature - doesn't have.
@khead99 It's all good. The irony of the Death Star is, if they'd just put some kind of dense metal grill over that exhaust port to block torpedoes but still let exhaust out, the Rebels' strategy would have never worked. Maybe that was a feature they added to the Death Star II... or at least would have added...
@khead99 If they could make the second shot - the first torpedo was hard enough to get in there, and that's assuming it only took one shot to destroy the grill. They could have put more grills further down the tube. At least, that's what I would have done; put three or four more at regular intervals along the entire shaft in order to stop lucky shots (or Force assisted shots) from getting in.
@Dargonhuman the thing is, the emperor didn't see small one man fighters as a threat, the first death star's defenses were aimed at defending against a fleet of capital ships
@Dargonhuman Exactly, or have the tube just going in a straight line. I still find it unlikely that it'd just shoot straight down. Surely people would see that as a problem, this straight open line leading right down to the reactor. Why not just incorporate a few bends or terminals of some sort!? That annoys me a lot. And the fact that there weren't hundreds of point-defence lasers dotted around the DS2's exhaust port is simply idiotic. No military would realistically be that dumb.
@Sismiques Exactly... Even lots of grates. One grate on the surface could be shot out but 200 of them with energy recycling so that the heat can be used in various ways once converted to energy = armour + efficiency.
@tarkinfish even if there were bends it would not have helped as the proton torps could make the turn. It was DS1 that had the exhaust port issue. Also, the issue with DS1 had simply been overlooked, and that with DS2 was an inevitable result of it being unfinished.
nicht nur den würfel ich hätt gern mal nen kompletten startrek mod für starwars empire at war
geistert ja immer was rum im netz aber nirgends wo was zu finden, nie wird ein modderteam fertig immer hat alles nur bethastatus etc,oder wird eingestampft siehe crysis mod a la jurassic park - bis heute noch kein mod fertig !! und viele eingestampft
It's good to see a reasonably powerful Cube in a game. Most games have them set at ludicrously low stats, so they have the firepower of a cruiser and pop like soap bubbles when attacked. Or they go up against fan-made superships and don't last 30 seconds.
@Perion yeah, but if you look in the game,, all the phasers are are lasers flying so fast theylook like a beam weapon, which is why im saying that they must be powerful through the pure number of laser bolts.
Nah, it balances out, in the original trek wars mod you could hold off a decent sized Federation fleet with just a lone Acclamator.
Main problem was though that the Federation would be limited to attacking in waves like Wolf 359, with predictable results.
Empire at War is extremely minimalist, I'm hoping if they ever make an Empire at War 2 that it will be on a much grander scale, don't really need to improve the graphics much, just have larger space zones and planets, higher population cap.
Not usually, the odds of running into people who refuse to believe that Star Wars tech is beyond that of Star Trek tech in spite of the evidence increases exponentially on forums, I'm more interested in talking to people who don't have their heads firmly planted deep inside their posteriors.
Also ich hab mir den Trek Wars Mod geholt und den Borg würfel eingefügt hol dikr den Mod un d gib mir deine e-mail per PM dann schick ich dir die datei und noch anweisungen.
@cloneterooper what do u learn at school? i mean i´m a german and i´m very interested in english but the basics are thaught in school xD so really got any other language in your periods?
@DieMuzze1 Well I'm a US Marine sitting in Afghanistan and have nothing better to do than get shot at all day go back to camp, look at random youtube videos and clean my rifle so no i don't know any other languages. I'm just buying my time in a war that doesn't even make sense so I hope your better off than me.
PS: I still love star wars ever since I was a kid :]
there isn't, not even for the characters in the series (the new trek film makes it a point to show how there is no sound in space, once when a crewman is blown out into space during the Kelvin scene, and again when Kirk, Sulu and Engineer Olson drop out of the shuttle)
The sound is for the audience, it also doesn't preclude sensor feedback through the speakers.
Actually to the contrary, in a nut-shell, the Star Wars universe has such an immense Industrial Capacity, they would simply be able to put out something much more effective against the Borg Cubes and have them mass produced in less than half a year. They'd simply slap themselves on the forehead and say to themselves "Why didn't we think of it before?" and bam, you got Star wars versions of Borg killers.
Star wars universe built the death star.....no contest. SW universe would decimate the borg. I agree with you. Borg cubes are huge in the star trek universe (3x3x3Km vs. the 700m long Enterprise E) but they are fairly average in the star wars universe where Star Destroyes are about 1.6Km (and there are many of these)
not really, Empire already have borg killing weaponry, all Star Wars weapons are non-frequency coherent, which means the borg cannot adapt to them, they are also many orders of magnitude beyond any weapon the federation have, which have used their weaponry, even after being adapted to, to destroy a cube in a fleet action of dozens of ships.
however, Turbolasers are worth many thousands to millions of Photon or Quantum torpedoes, and Imperial ships are armed to the teeth with them.
The Borg would slaughter everything in the Star Wars Universe till it got to Vader, than Vader would take over the Borg instantly because they would see Vader as one of them.
On the Deathstar there are 1000000 People the half are soldiers. The Deathstar has a armour out of a material (I forgot the name ^^) which the borg couldn't destroy. And the weapons of the deathstar are mightier than the whole imperial fleet, so the deathstar chould destroy a borg cube very easily.
Actually it's only worth half the imperial fleet, even including the superlaser,
funny how so many people forget that the Death Star has millions of surface Turbolasers, any one of which could reduce a borg cube into an expanding cloud of vapours in one shot, it also has tractor beams that have thousands of km range, unlike federation/borg tractor beams which have maybe a ship's length range.
Trek Lasers bounce off trek shields, not Star Wars Lasers, Trek Lasers, Wars Lasers and Real Life Lasers are 3 completely different things, and what applies to one doesn't necessarily apply to the other.
Wars Lasers have more in common with Plasma weapons in operation which are very effective vs Federation shields (Plasma Torpedoes anyone?), the only actual Laser as we know them used in a Wars "Laser" is to excite the Tibanna gas, it is that excited, compressed gas that is fired out the barrel.
yeah but the death star can't manouvere and if the cube kept on the opposite side of the death star then its primary weapon, the death star wouldn't stand a chance. The cube would carve them up or beam drones on board
not to mention any one of the surface turbolasers (yes the ones shooting at X-wings during the Battle of Yavin in ANH) would destroy a borg cube in one shot
A single Turbolaser blast carries more firepower than all the torpedoes and phaser blasts fired in the Battle of Sector 001 combined, even if you extrapolate for the time it took for the Enterprise E to get there.
each shot from an Acclamator carries the firepower of around 8,000 photon torpedoes.
Could have sworn I explained that months ago, no offense, but to save time and avoid double posting it might be simpler to just click "View All # comments"
@Perion From a practical standpoint, I think that since they had a lot of time to make themselves more and more advanced, at some point they came up with an unstoppable doomsday-type weapon, and blew themselves up and that's why there's nothing left by the time Star Trek arrived.
Unlikely, more likely either the Republic reasserted itself or the Galaxy far far away is quite some distance/not long ago enough for the Empire to spread across enough galaxies to eventually attack the Trek one, after all the Empire wouldn't expand in a straight line of galaxies headed in the direction of the Milky way, it would expand in all directions with the GFFA in the center.
Or the absolute most logical reason is the fact that the two are different franchises.
@Perion that or the republic and the remnant spent so much money on troops and resources that they never could afford to expand and they are both two battered factions reduced to a few planets by the time trek came along
@Perion its unlikely that two forces that hate each other for millenia and have been consistently blowing each other up eventually invent something to where each side blows up the other? i find it perfectly plausible if not inevitable
Based on what? no two civilizations in history have ever battled to mutual extinction except in bad fiction, you have no precedent.
You also underestimate the power of survival instincts, it's the reason there was no world war 3 in the 20th century. M.A.D. is the ultimate deterrent, it even caused a US and Soviet joint cover up to avert it.
However for the reason that we could argue the future of Star Wars till the end of time, that a Wormhole is used to link a known period of it to Star Trek
@Perion Actually, during the 1950s there were many novels that portrayed the mutual destruction of civilizations, such as "Alas, Babylon" with won numerous medals and commendations (not bad fiction). Also, the concept of an ultimate doomsday weapon has existed since biblical times. Survival instincts are powerful, don't get me wrong, but when there is no inhabitable areas left, resources can and will be exhausted. Star Wars was meant to end, most likely by destroying itself.
In the 1950s those kinds of stories were relatively new and prospect as re
"most likely" ? bullshit, Star Wars isn't some emo crap about "war is bad" and all that, Star Wars is all about the fight for good vs evil, there's no such thing as running out of inhabitable areas, resources cannot and will not be exhausted.
with a galaxy as rich and expansion to other galaxies going on as well, there's no reason to assume they would ever reach "bankruptcy" the very nature of Star Wars precludes it.
in the 1950s those kinds of stories were relatively new and the prospect seemed dangerously real with the advent of nuclear weapons, but history proved humanity to be smarter than that,
As for Sun Tzu's stuff that's different, since A. they didn't destroy themselves militarily, and B. the bankruptcy was the result of constant warfare.
In Star Wars neither of these are an issue,
"Star Wars was meant to end"
Again bullshit, at least as far as THAT kind of ending. Lucas wouldn't allow it.
@Perion Also, during the ancient period in China, during the writing of Sun Tzu's "The Art of War", there were numerous factions who had been engaged in battle for centuries to the point of bankruptcy which applies here. This debate is based on prediction and uncertainty, and thus there can be no victory. In fact, this very quarrel is a perfect example of the mutual destruction we're discussing.
Yeah because we both know that it's going to end in us killing each other.
seriously though you're an idiot.
In case you hadn't noticed, in the latest versions of Star Wars the Empire has essentially replaced the Republic, and the war is between one part of said Empire and another.
And In spite of fighting for tens of millenia, no reason to assume they cannot continue, especially since it's not CONSTANT battles and wars, centuries and even millenia of peace pass in between.
about the borg cube and death star, i think the death star is a little bit stronger, cause a death star bundles it's superweapon into 1 big beam and so it can destroy the hull of a borg cube very easily and then reach it's main core easily.
oh of course they would, don't you if they assimilated Vader that the borg would all know how to use the force? and what's more scary then borg that can assimilate you through the force!
well you gotta remember, borgs are CYBORGS, just like Vader... only they have a collective mind... now really think.. all that mindpower... yeah you'd be screwed
the Borg have never shown the ability to assimilate telepathic much less telekinetic abilities, the collective mind obliterates all semblance of individuality, making such abilities useless, the collective communicates with via their implants.
besides, the Borg wouldn't be able to get close enough to a Jedi or Sith to assimilate them, between the Lightsabers and the Force powers. (not to mention the Starships the Empire and Rebellion/Republic have)
lets not argue about this, but due try to remember the adaptive abilities of the borg, after a few dozen of them die they'll know how to counter lightsabers and force powers.. remember they're not like droids. and though they've never much needed Telekinesis, what with tractor beams and all and they've technologically already improved on telepathy, despite this you still must admit that there are other aspects of the force they could find useful. also same thing can be said about the borg ships
Borg adaptation has it's limitations, considering that a single Imperial Class Star Destroyer can dish out the equivalent of up to 100 billion photon torpedoes a second, and shields designed to withstand a full half hour of such a bombardment.
also Imperials don't use Frequency Modulations the way the Federation and other races the Borg have encountered do, so it would be pretty much impossible to adapt to Imperial weapons due to a lack of frequency coherence and the sheer brute force of it.
also, Borg ships (like practically every other ship in Trek) are vulnerable to Ion storms, the Ion canons of a Star Destroyer have many times that firepower.
also the Borg have always been vulnerable to kinetic impacts, with no defense in sight, they have lost thousands of drones to this weakness, and have never shown the ability to adapt to it (since that would require innovation, a trait the Borg lack.)
as a result Machine guns and Mass Drivers are the cheapest ways of dealing with them.
ook FIRST Of all why does it matter to you? and second where are you getting your technical information? it's two WORKS OF FICTION! it's not like it's real in anyway. BUT to prove a point, it's the SW ships that are vulnerable to ion weaponry and you also have to know that because their shields don't modulate that could be a weakness, couple to that the LACK of experience vs transporter systems and the ship could be assimilated easily i am a fan of both SW&ST so please don't assume i'm hating SW
I get my information from the official tech manuals for each series, as well as on screen footage and dialogue.
Star Wars vessels are only vulnerable to Ion weaponry in their subsystems and even then can be repaired in the field, Star Trek vessels have been known to be crippled or destroyed outright by Ion Storms.
many races without transporters have shown the ability to block them, either by accident or by design, Shields of all kinds block transporters to varying degrees.
the lack of modulation isn't an issue, since the frequency system most Trek ships use is an Interrupter frequency, IE the shields flicker on and off extremely fast, as do Phasers and photon torpedoes (not sure exactly on the mechanism there).
weapons match that frequency to pass through the shields, since Star Trek shields block both ways, if the shields and weapon frequencies were out of sync, than they would damage their own shields when they fire.
during pre-republic era they did, but by the KOTOR timeframe they used "gunport" shields, opening small holes in the shields only when they fire, at a different rate of fire or frequency for each weapon.
by the time of the Clone Wars they had found a way to create shields that block one way, but allow passage the other way, they used these shields for anything from their hangars to protecting the ship itself.
as for the power flow modulation, well that's irrelevant at that magnitude.
the only ship that used the gunport shields during the Clone Wars that I know of was the Malevolence, due to it's size and Ion Canon superweapon, that gunport shield became it's undooing, but it was never designed to be a serious superweapon, and little more than a test rig for the effects power generation of that magnitude would entail.
after all, Sidious never intended for the Separatists to win the war.
I'm a fan of both as well, and have done a great amount of research as you can see.
well fine i'll concede then, but I will do so on the objection that those tech manuals, while accepted in most cases as cannon.. is in fact not written by the creators of the series and based on cinematographic special effects which are more often then not, gross exaggerations of physics hence the sound in the vacuum of space
I've always maintained that sound in space is for the audience rather than the characters, since the characters never seem to respond to it, the only sounds they respond to are from vibrations in their own ship/hull.
Star Trek XI does this rather nicely, though for most people it went over their heads, every time the camera follows someone out into space, be it when some of the Kelvin crew were blown out, or when Kirk, Sulu and Ens Ricky did their super Halo jump, the sound all but ceases.
The Star Trek tech manuals are non-canon, and the Star Wars ICS books are so full of holes and non sense that I would not go trusting them too much. Anyhow, good work very enjoyable.
while you are correct about the trek tech manual, the show's weapons are clearly on the same order of magnitude (TNG Pegasus, where Riker stated it would take most of their torpedoes to destroy a 8km by 5km hollow asteroid)
name one hole or nonsense in the ICS book, because there isn't any, unless you consider the 200 gigaton turbolasers and 191 megaton concussion missiles or 11-12 gigaton seismic charges, nonsense/holes in which case that is your opinion and not worth very much.
the main divergence between the tech manual and the show is phaser firepower, hand phasers aren't anywhere near as powerful on the show as they are stated in the manual.
besides in order for the seismic charges to deal the kind of damage they do in the asteroid field in attack of the clones REQUIRES energy levels greater than that of 10 gigatons of tnt. (IE cutting through asteroids in a 8-10 km radius without losing strength,
oh and DarknesmasterX, the material is called "Neutronium".
OK, the last ICS book labels the laser/ blasters in the wings of the Jedi interceptor as ion canons when the movie clearly shows blasters being fired from those ports. As for the firepower figures, they are just something Saxon pulled out of his ass to make it sound cool, there is no canon support for his figures at all.
for one thing they are not "clearly blasters" because Ion cannons do not look any different from regular red blasters, this whole "blasters are green and red, ion cannosn are blue" rule is from the Video games and some of the EU NOT from the movies which had the Ion cannon on hoth red and sound just like a Turbolaser when fired, so you cannot say it's a contradiction based on something the movies already override.
You might want to read my previous comments, I already stated that the seismic charge's performance in ATOC REQUIRES energy levels on the order of 50,000,000 Terajoules, which is exactly what saxton put as the yield for them, likewise in order for Slave 1's blasters to deal the kinds of damage they did to the asteroids in ATOC requires 8 terajoules, again Saxton's numbers are consistent with canon.
they were not "pulled out of his ass" as you claim.
I was talking about the impact affects not the look or color of the bolts, Ion canons to not produce explosions on impact, they spread out on the target like they did in ESB, in revenge of the sith the bolts produced an explosion and physical damage to the target.
I watched it 4 times in slow motion, I am sure, I also watched Slave 1 firing at Obi Wan 4 times in slow motion, and at be he fracture some of the smaller rocks and left smallish craters in the larger ones, also the largest fractured rock was at best about 5m around, if Slave one is about 20-25m from tail guns to the top in flight mode.
yeah, Trandos use ACP and Concussion weapons pretty much exclusively.
I tend to refer to Star Wars Disruptors as "Busters" since they work on the same principle as blasters just with more tibana gas and energy per shot, beyond the safety/stability margins, which is why they are Illegal.
the reason for this is to avoid confusion with the Star Trek version of Disruptors, unfortunately even some of the games, Jedi Knight II for example makes the DXR6 act like a Trek Disruptor only more powerful.
Busters are also much shorter range than Blasters,also due to the instability of the weapons,
even a hand Blaster such as a DL-44 can cause large, explosive vapourization of concrete, blasting holes the size of a man's torso and spraying shrapnel and superheated gas in all directions, as well as creating a shock wave capable of knocking people to the ground within a 3 meter radius. Busters are far m
how do i play as the borg in the original mod
coonquistadoreddie 2 days ago
Borg fighting The Empire = death for the empire.....Borg fighting Ancients(stargate) = death to the borg = ANCIENTS WINN:)
TheAlterans 1 week ago
What a disjointed mess.
geonerd 2 weeks ago
Starfleet to picard: " We have urgent news...a group known as the "Jedi" has engaged the borg..We need you to go there and help them (5 min later) worf set a course for..Hoth...Worf..aye sir..It has not been charted before in starfleet records "
EvolvedHel 3 weeks ago
SW can send lone starfighter pilot into borg-cube's thruster vent and fire a photon torpedo to the core, and kabloooueee! In ST there's no small fighter...
xponen 3 weeks ago
@xponen but there are pinpoint accurate lasers and shit.
Rototornik 2 weeks ago
You think the Borg couldn't adapt to "lasers" when a laser cannot even penetrate a Starship's navigation field? The Borg would easily and mercilessly lay waste to all that is Star Wars.
The Star Destroyer would be dispatched with with little effort. It wouldn't have time to fire up it's propulsion system before the Borg destroyed it utterly.
Supernaut351 1 month ago
Okay Galaxy spanning empire against a race that spans a few dozen solar system? Not to mention a star destroyer is probably like 100 times bigger then a Borg cube? If the Borg somehow adapted to the lasers the SD could just fly into the cubes and cruise past them. Hard to imagine the Borg adapting to that.
birthday42 1 month ago
Now where's Luke and Rogue Squadron when you need them? One torpedo in the vent and booooom!
keesengels 1 month ago
@keesengels Sadly for the SW universe, it wouldn't work against a borg cube;D
4Mobius 1 month ago
Unleash Lord Vader on the borg and we'll have some fun. He'll be choking the Borg Queen in no time. The force has a strong impact on the weak mind. And the borg are completely mindless.
summer20105707 1 month ago
@summer20105707 Wrong. The Borg have 1 mind, trillions of wills strong. Also, the Borg don't need to breathe, so your choke just makes her laugh as a dozen Tactical Drones cut down a Sith.
IceGavel 1 month ago 4
@IceGavel A dozen or even ten dozen tactical drones wouldn't even get within an inch of Lord Vader. His force abilities would prevent them from even touching him
summer20105707 1 month ago
@summer20105707 They don't need to get close. It's called a Forced Plasma Bolt, and I doubt that Vader can block eternally.
IceGavel 1 month ago
LOL THAT IS WHY I PERFER STAR TREK OVER STAR WARS,THERE ARE JUST TOO MANY THINGS GOING ON WITH THE STAR TREK`S HISTORY THAN STAR WARS,DID STAR WARS HAVE A TRANSPORTER,COULD THEY TIME TRAVEL AND DID THEY HAVE( MY FAVORITE) A HOLLADECK(if this word is mispelled,you know what I mean) BUT I ALSO LIKE STAR WARS,I`M JUST A TREKADELIC...
5mralbert 2 months ago
@5mralbert Time Travel to the past is impossible. Stephen Hawking said so. That means, with all of the spiritual stuff in Star Wars, it's still more scientifically accurate. Lol, just kidding. Stark Trek kicks ass, but don't count out Star Wars. They're both great.
BrandonLisi 1 month ago
They obviously didn't have a fully operational battle-station!
eline65 2 months ago 2
If I were Admiral Ackbar I would hyperspace jump right into the borg cubes >:D
ZeZombieKiller 2 months ago
@ZeZombieKiller He'd have seen the trap 12 parsecs away
eline65 2 months ago
it's just a matter of time...
muffinboy101010 4 months ago
Rebellion is Futile(?)
dustcloud36 5 months ago
Das wast pretty shite
jakecornish5 8 months ago
Achtung panzer
stonewall97 8 months ago
death star vs borg cube
MobofGeckos 8 months ago
THIS IS STAR WARS AND STARTREK!?!DAS IST AUS SON SPIEL VON STARWARS IN EINE MAP VON STAR TREK GESETZT!!!
P66nfuf66n 9 months ago
i have to say that since the star wars ships use simple laser cannon bursts there nothing for the borg to adapt to(probably)on the reverse side, possibly the borg could adapt to the shots and the star wars ships would have only gotten off 5 or 6 shots before there weaps are useless but ive seen ppl compare this before and really it wont ever happen because your comparing two different sci-fi shows... but perion makes some good points lol
empty1388 11 months ago
Gotta give the Rebels credit - they didn't give up and even managed to take out one of the cubes. If it hadn't been for the second one, they'd have come out all right. I didn't think a couple fighters, bombers and a capital ship could do that... Hell, it took a whole battlegroup of Starfleet ships to take out one cube, and that was with Picard's unfair advantage!
It's just too bad Borg cubes are decentralized and don't have conveniently placed exhaust ports...
Dargonhuman 1 year ago
@Dargonhuman Well considering the firepower disparity between the two franchises, they really needed to nerf the Rebels and beef up the Borg in order for the Cubes to really stand much of a chance.
Perion 11 months ago
@Perion Well, given that this is from a game, yea. In an actual match, the Borg's ability to adapt their shields to energy weaponry, the fact that a cube ship can remain functional when over 78% of it is inoperable AND the fact that they can regenerate damage to their ships would give them huge advantages over the higher powered rebel weaponry. The rebels may still be able to kill the first cube, but the second would learn from its demise and dominate anyway.
Dargonhuman 11 months ago
@Dargonhuman Borg can only adapt to energy weaponry that operates on a set modulation frequency, IE a coherent wave form, Star Wars weaponry doesn't do that, so they can't match frequency. The other problem is that weaponry of sufficient power can blow through Borg defenses regardless of if they match frequency or not, there are limits to their adaptive capabilities.
It was theorized that they could remain functional if 78% is destroyed but in practice this was not the case.
Perion 11 months ago
@Perion What firepower disparity? I don't remember any figures given in the films for the Rebels or in the show for the Borg. Don't know who'd be the nerfed one.
vegeta002 11 months ago
@vegeta002 We know what the Empire and Republic are capable of thanks to the ICS Books, which gives us 200,000 megaton scale medium ship guns, and 12,000,000 megaton scale heavy ship guns.
We also know the Federation's capabilities (24 megaton at best photon torpedoes.) and can scale up from that for the Borg based on the battle of sector 001 and other engagements.
Perion 11 months ago
@Perion The old Enterprise can level a planet's surface, as per the Original Series episode, "A Taste of Armageddon"
Idazmi7 5 months ago
@Idazmi7 In several weeks perhaps yes?
tarkinfish 5 months ago
@tarkinfish In 15 minutes, as mentioned in the same episode. ^-^
Idazmi7 5 months ago
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@Perion The old Enterprise can level a planet's surface, as per the Original Series episode, "A Taste of Armageddon"
Idazmi7 5 months ago
@vegeta002 The old Enterprise can level a planet's surface, as per the Original Series episode, "A Taste of Armageddon"
Idazmi7 5 months ago
@Dargonhuman eh a few squadrons of rebel fighters and bombers took out the death star...
khead99 9 months ago
@khead99 And the Death Star had a glaringly obvious design flaw/weakness that a Borg cube - thanks to it's highly decentralized nature - doesn't have.
Dargonhuman 9 months ago
@Dargonhuman well ive never seen any startrek so thats nice to know.
khead99 9 months ago
@khead99 It's all good. The irony of the Death Star is, if they'd just put some kind of dense metal grill over that exhaust port to block torpedoes but still let exhaust out, the Rebels' strategy would have never worked. Maybe that was a feature they added to the Death Star II... or at least would have added...
Dargonhuman 9 months ago
@Dargonhuman hahaha yea but the first torpedo might have been able to break the grill and a second enter and do damage.
khead99 9 months ago
@khead99 If they could make the second shot - the first torpedo was hard enough to get in there, and that's assuming it only took one shot to destroy the grill. They could have put more grills further down the tube. At least, that's what I would have done; put three or four more at regular intervals along the entire shaft in order to stop lucky shots (or Force assisted shots) from getting in.
Dargonhuman 9 months ago
@Dargonhuman yea that would be the logical thing.
khead99 9 months ago
@Dargonhuman the thing is, the emperor didn't see small one man fighters as a threat, the first death star's defenses were aimed at defending against a fleet of capital ships
vdhdob 6 months ago
@Dargonhuman Exactly, or have the tube just going in a straight line. I still find it unlikely that it'd just shoot straight down. Surely people would see that as a problem, this straight open line leading right down to the reactor. Why not just incorporate a few bends or terminals of some sort!? That annoys me a lot. And the fact that there weren't hundreds of point-defence lasers dotted around the DS2's exhaust port is simply idiotic. No military would realistically be that dumb.
tarkinfish 5 months ago
@tarkinfish
Ya think they would put some sort of grate over it.
Sismiques 5 months ago
@Sismiques Exactly... Even lots of grates. One grate on the surface could be shot out but 200 of them with energy recycling so that the heat can be used in various ways once converted to energy = armour + efficiency.
tarkinfish 5 months ago
@tarkinfish even if there were bends it would not have helped as the proton torps could make the turn. It was DS1 that had the exhaust port issue. Also, the issue with DS1 had simply been overlooked, and that with DS2 was an inevitable result of it being unfinished.
tnphysics 3 months ago
Why is there a federation outpost in starwars?
LonelyWolf4269 1 year ago
nicht nur den würfel ich hätt gern mal nen kompletten startrek mod für starwars empire at war
geistert ja immer was rum im netz aber nirgends wo was zu finden, nie wird ein modderteam fertig immer hat alles nur bethastatus etc,oder wird eingestampft siehe crysis mod a la jurassic park - bis heute noch kein mod fertig !! und viele eingestampft
3000tomas 1 year ago
STAR DREK
(drek is in croatian like SHIT i english)
DylanDog96 1 year ago
Ah, the borg cube. Slow as all fuck, but really an overpowreed ship.
Mylesdude101 1 year ago
@Mylesdude101 which is strange since it's capable of transwarp...
EOCB 1 year ago
It's good to see a reasonably powerful Cube in a game. Most games have them set at ludicrously low stats, so they have the firepower of a cruiser and pop like soap bubbles when attacked. Or they go up against fan-made superships and don't last 30 seconds.
WUZLE 1 year ago
Great video. Resistance is futile. The Force will be assimilated!
masere 1 year ago
captain picard will shit on you all
cloned2 1 year ago
where can i get trek wars plllleeeeaaasssee
Mungop389 1 year ago
Only a superstar destroyer would have chance against a borg cube.
benjamin5028 1 year ago
... english i not german
TheSupermom1000 1 year ago
@TheSupermom1000 He is German, why should he speak English?
DOHC2L 1 year ago
Warum die Deutschen nicht wie die Juden?
tecklePie 1 year ago
@clonetrooper ok sry hab das nich gesehn aber gute arbeit
SGmattilus 1 year ago
the phasers are lasers firing so fast that they look like a strem. must be pretty powerful weapon...
Mylesdude101 1 year ago
Not really, Phasers are actually extraordinarily weak by comparison to Imperial weapons.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion yeah, but if you look in the game,, all the phasers are are lasers flying so fast theylook like a beam weapon, which is why im saying that they must be powerful through the pure number of laser bolts.
Mylesdude101 1 year ago
Nah, it balances out, in the original trek wars mod you could hold off a decent sized Federation fleet with just a lone Acclamator.
Main problem was though that the Federation would be limited to attacking in waves like Wolf 359, with predictable results.
Empire at War is extremely minimalist, I'm hoping if they ever make an Empire at War 2 that it will be on a much grander scale, don't really need to improve the graphics much, just have larger space zones and planets, higher population cap.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion have you brought your arguments to forums? that would be interesting to read.
Mylesdude101 1 year ago
Not usually, the odds of running into people who refuse to believe that Star Wars tech is beyond that of Star Trek tech in spite of the evidence increases exponentially on forums, I'm more interested in talking to people who don't have their heads firmly planted deep inside their posteriors.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion rare species indeed.
Mylesdude101 1 year ago
Doesn't the Rebel Alliance realize that resistance is futile?
Credithelper75 1 year ago
Because Assimilation is Futile, the Rebel alliance would destroy the Borg without problems.
Perion 1 year ago
(6:56 rape) as much as i love star wars, Star trek pwns the shit out of them easily
matroid9 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
actually it's the other way around.
Perion 1 year ago
woher hast du den borg würfel? ich will den auch haben QQ
FUSSBALFreak08 1 year ago
Also ich hab mir den Trek Wars Mod geholt und den Borg würfel eingefügt hol dikr den Mod un d gib mir deine e-mail per PM dann schick ich dir die datei und noch anweisungen.
DarknesmasterX 1 year ago
@DarknesmasterX just wondering is that german or russian cant tell but its awsome that u can speak that along with english i need a second language
cloneterooper 1 year ago
it is German ^^.
DarknesmasterX 1 year ago
@cloneterooper what do u learn at school? i mean i´m a german and i´m very interested in english but the basics are thaught in school xD so really got any other language in your periods?
DieMuzze1 11 months ago
@DieMuzze1 Well I'm a US Marine sitting in Afghanistan and have nothing better to do than get shot at all day go back to camp, look at random youtube videos and clean my rifle so no i don't know any other languages. I'm just buying my time in a war that doesn't even make sense so I hope your better off than me.
PS: I still love star wars ever since I was a kid :]
cloneterooper 10 months ago 11
thank you very much for 20000 views!!!
DarknesmasterX 1 year ago
lol, at the start, when the guy started to speak german with that acsent, I thought nazis were conquring the galaxy... No offence =)
Flueeeee 1 year ago
Holy shit, German Borg are destroying Star Wars!
KaptainSparta 1 year ago
FUCK STAR TREK!
GODCONVOYPRIME 1 year ago
im still tryin to figure out why anyone would make a ship in the shape of a cube lol
legoman2143 1 year ago
@legoman2143 because the borg are seeking perfections and a cube is a way of peerfectuion
BlackDart94 1 year ago
except Cubes are horribly inefficient designs for a starship, very little firepower concentration, massive target profile, it's just terribly flawed
Perion 1 year ago
what kind of sad dweeb uploads boring stuff like this?
It's not a clip from a film... it's not a clever montage of film clips... it's not even vaguely convincing.
But it is probably this individual's only alternative to female sexual rejection.
What a life! lol
phealy02 1 year ago
If you got the Universe at War mod, The Oddyssey from Stargate faction would kick the borg cubes ass
fetsen1 1 year ago
Isn't it Sci Fi at War mod?
Stargate is there so overpowered
DarknesmasterX 1 year ago
Star Wars, and Star Trek, are a bit scammy, Sounds in space? Excuse me... i dont think theres any sound in space :S
Though.. everything else is AWESOME
CryoStatus 1 year ago
there isn't, not even for the characters in the series (the new trek film makes it a point to show how there is no sound in space, once when a crewman is blown out into space during the Kelvin scene, and again when Kirk, Sulu and Engineer Olson drop out of the shuttle)
The sound is for the audience, it also doesn't preclude sensor feedback through the speakers.
Perion 1 year ago
you guys r so nerdy lol
sorry if i come off as bashing dont mean to
dudeman578 2 years ago
Actually to the contrary, in a nut-shell, the Star Wars universe has such an immense Industrial Capacity, they would simply be able to put out something much more effective against the Borg Cubes and have them mass produced in less than half a year. They'd simply slap themselves on the forehead and say to themselves "Why didn't we think of it before?" and bam, you got Star wars versions of Borg killers.
Fr3k3 2 years ago
Star wars universe built the death star.....no contest. SW universe would decimate the borg. I agree with you. Borg cubes are huge in the star trek universe (3x3x3Km vs. the 700m long Enterprise E) but they are fairly average in the star wars universe where Star Destroyes are about 1.6Km (and there are many of these)
deltafool117 2 years ago
not really, Empire already have borg killing weaponry, all Star Wars weapons are non-frequency coherent, which means the borg cannot adapt to them, they are also many orders of magnitude beyond any weapon the federation have, which have used their weaponry, even after being adapted to, to destroy a cube in a fleet action of dozens of ships.
however, Turbolasers are worth many thousands to millions of Photon or Quantum torpedoes, and Imperial ships are armed to the teeth with them.
Perion 2 years ago
dont the borg do the same? they have a huge industrial output and dont the borg adapt too?
xXxThelastHeroxXx 1 year ago
Borg adaptation is extremely limited, they are incapable of innovation in even the slightest way.
Perion 1 year ago
welche patch version is das antworte bitte
23aroon32 2 years ago
@23aroon32 wie welche patch version
DarknesmasterX 2 years ago
Wolf 359 didn't take this long...
unnamednewbie13 2 years ago
The Borg would slaughter everything in the Star Wars Universe till it got to Vader, than Vader would take over the Borg instantly because they would see Vader as one of them.
whatukno1975 2 years ago
Only after he hooked up with the collective.
unnamednewbie13 2 years ago
German Borg! AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!
SuperSaiyanAl 2 years ago
This discussion is as silly as "Who is stronger, Conan or He-man" ones..
FrostWolfie 2 years ago
On the Deathstar there are 1000000 People the half are soldiers. The Deathstar has a armour out of a material (I forgot the name ^^) which the borg couldn't destroy. And the weapons of the deathstar are mightier than the whole imperial fleet, so the deathstar chould destroy a borg cube very easily.
DarknesmasterX 2 years ago
Actually it's only worth half the imperial fleet, even including the superlaser,
funny how so many people forget that the Death Star has millions of surface Turbolasers, any one of which could reduce a borg cube into an expanding cloud of vapours in one shot, it also has tractor beams that have thousands of km range, unlike federation/borg tractor beams which have maybe a ship's length range.
Perion 2 years ago
funny how you forget that lasers just bounce off star trek shields
Cazalymon 2 years ago
Trek Lasers bounce off trek shields, not Star Wars Lasers, Trek Lasers, Wars Lasers and Real Life Lasers are 3 completely different things, and what applies to one doesn't necessarily apply to the other.
Wars Lasers have more in common with Plasma weapons in operation which are very effective vs Federation shields (Plasma Torpedoes anyone?), the only actual Laser as we know them used in a Wars "Laser" is to excite the Tibanna gas, it is that excited, compressed gas that is fired out the barrel.
Perion 2 years ago
yeah but the death star can't manouvere and if the cube kept on the opposite side of the death star then its primary weapon, the death star wouldn't stand a chance. The cube would carve them up or beam drones on board
Mrpafla 2 years ago
the death star can turn on its axis
TOHOFIEND54 2 years ago
not to mention any one of the surface turbolasers (yes the ones shooting at X-wings during the Battle of Yavin in ANH) would destroy a borg cube in one shot
Perion 2 years ago
@Perion I don't think that one shot of the tubolasers on the deathstar would destroy a borg cube
DarknesmasterX 1 year ago
A single Turbolaser blast carries more firepower than all the torpedoes and phaser blasts fired in the Battle of Sector 001 combined, even if you extrapolate for the time it took for the Enterprise E to get there.
each shot from an Acclamator carries the firepower of around 8,000 photon torpedoes.
Perion 1 year ago
From where do you take all this information?
DarknesmasterX 1 year ago
Could have sworn I explained that months ago, no offense, but to save time and avoid double posting it might be simpler to just click "View All # comments"
Perion 1 year ago
Oh Ok
DarknesmasterX 1 year ago
Star Trek wins by persistence, not to mention accuracy :P
terminattheconqueror 1 year ago
doesn't matter how persistent Ancient Egypt was, it would be no match for modern day America.
so too would the Federation be no match for the Empire.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion Considering the timeline, the Empire would be closer to Ancient Egypt.
terminattheconqueror 1 year ago
So imagine how powerful and advanced they would be by the time of Star Trek.
however we have no idea how "long ago" Star Wars is, or how "far far away" the galaxy is.
so it's a helluva lot easier to imagine they are tied together through time and space via a wormhole.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion From a practical standpoint, I think that since they had a lot of time to make themselves more and more advanced, at some point they came up with an unstoppable doomsday-type weapon, and blew themselves up and that's why there's nothing left by the time Star Trek arrived.
terminattheconqueror 1 year ago
Unlikely, more likely either the Republic reasserted itself or the Galaxy far far away is quite some distance/not long ago enough for the Empire to spread across enough galaxies to eventually attack the Trek one, after all the Empire wouldn't expand in a straight line of galaxies headed in the direction of the Milky way, it would expand in all directions with the GFFA in the center.
Or the absolute most logical reason is the fact that the two are different franchises.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion that or the republic and the remnant spent so much money on troops and resources that they never could afford to expand and they are both two battered factions reduced to a few planets by the time trek came along
terminattheconqueror 1 year ago
just as unlikely as your previous theory I'm afraid.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion its unlikely that two forces that hate each other for millenia and have been consistently blowing each other up eventually invent something to where each side blows up the other? i find it perfectly plausible if not inevitable
terminattheconqueror 1 year ago
Based on what? no two civilizations in history have ever battled to mutual extinction except in bad fiction, you have no precedent.
You also underestimate the power of survival instincts, it's the reason there was no world war 3 in the 20th century. M.A.D. is the ultimate deterrent, it even caused a US and Soviet joint cover up to avert it.
However for the reason that we could argue the future of Star Wars till the end of time, that a Wormhole is used to link a known period of it to Star Trek
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion Actually, during the 1950s there were many novels that portrayed the mutual destruction of civilizations, such as "Alas, Babylon" with won numerous medals and commendations (not bad fiction). Also, the concept of an ultimate doomsday weapon has existed since biblical times. Survival instincts are powerful, don't get me wrong, but when there is no inhabitable areas left, resources can and will be exhausted. Star Wars was meant to end, most likely by destroying itself.
terminattheconqueror 1 year ago
In the 1950s those kinds of stories were relatively new and prospect as re
"most likely" ? bullshit, Star Wars isn't some emo crap about "war is bad" and all that, Star Wars is all about the fight for good vs evil, there's no such thing as running out of inhabitable areas, resources cannot and will not be exhausted.
with a galaxy as rich and expansion to other galaxies going on as well, there's no reason to assume they would ever reach "bankruptcy" the very nature of Star Wars precludes it.
Perion 1 year ago
in the 1950s those kinds of stories were relatively new and the prospect seemed dangerously real with the advent of nuclear weapons, but history proved humanity to be smarter than that,
As for Sun Tzu's stuff that's different, since A. they didn't destroy themselves militarily, and B. the bankruptcy was the result of constant warfare.
In Star Wars neither of these are an issue,
"Star Wars was meant to end"
Again bullshit, at least as far as THAT kind of ending. Lucas wouldn't allow it.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion lol im an idiot? youre the one continuing this senseless debate i just tried to end it get a life skippy
terminattheconqueror 1 year ago
I reply to comments I feel like replying to, but if you want to drop it then that's fine by me.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion so a stalemate it is thanks for playing i had a wonderful time :)
terminattheconqueror 1 year ago
@Perion Also, during the ancient period in China, during the writing of Sun Tzu's "The Art of War", there were numerous factions who had been engaged in battle for centuries to the point of bankruptcy which applies here. This debate is based on prediction and uncertainty, and thus there can be no victory. In fact, this very quarrel is a perfect example of the mutual destruction we're discussing.
terminattheconqueror 1 year ago
Yeah because we both know that it's going to end in us killing each other.
seriously though you're an idiot.
In case you hadn't noticed, in the latest versions of Star Wars the Empire has essentially replaced the Republic, and the war is between one part of said Empire and another.
And In spite of fighting for tens of millenia, no reason to assume they cannot continue, especially since it's not CONSTANT battles and wars, centuries and even millenia of peace pass in between.
Perion 1 year ago
@DarknesmasterX easy he is making it up
BlackDart94 1 year ago
Nope, sorry, I got my info from canon sources, check out the Complete Cross Sections book for details ;)
protip, always investigate someone's sources before you accuse them of making an asspull.
Perion 1 year ago
@DarknesmasterX Um it destroyed a planet !
TheFarSideOfNj 1 year ago
about the borg cube and death star, i think the death star is a little bit stronger, cause a death star bundles it's superweapon into 1 big beam and so it can destroy the hull of a borg cube very easily and then reach it's main core easily.
and a borg cube has not a weapon like this.
PAA4life 2 years ago
Great model of Home One!
cruzer05 2 years ago
A Borg cube would have destroyed the Calamari Cruisur within seconds.
Btw: Would the Borg assimilate Darth Vader? ;)
m981236 2 years ago
I don't think that a Borg Cube could do that.
And it would be funny to assimilate Darth Vader.
DarknesmasterX 2 years ago
oh of course they would, don't you if they assimilated Vader that the borg would all know how to use the force? and what's more scary then borg that can assimilate you through the force!
dragonking322 2 years ago
i can't imagine that a borg could use the force. But if they can do that it would be really scary ^^ ;)
DarknesmasterX 2 years ago
well you gotta remember, borgs are CYBORGS, just like Vader... only they have a collective mind... now really think.. all that mindpower... yeah you'd be screwed
dragonking322 2 years ago
the Borg have never shown the ability to assimilate telepathic much less telekinetic abilities, the collective mind obliterates all semblance of individuality, making such abilities useless, the collective communicates with via their implants.
besides, the Borg wouldn't be able to get close enough to a Jedi or Sith to assimilate them, between the Lightsabers and the Force powers. (not to mention the Starships the Empire and Rebellion/Republic have)
it's unlikely the Borg would ever see one.
Perion 2 years ago 2
lets not argue about this, but due try to remember the adaptive abilities of the borg, after a few dozen of them die they'll know how to counter lightsabers and force powers.. remember they're not like droids. and though they've never much needed Telekinesis, what with tractor beams and all and they've technologically already improved on telepathy, despite this you still must admit that there are other aspects of the force they could find useful. also same thing can be said about the borg ships
dragonking322 2 years ago
Borg adaptation has it's limitations, considering that a single Imperial Class Star Destroyer can dish out the equivalent of up to 100 billion photon torpedoes a second, and shields designed to withstand a full half hour of such a bombardment.
also Imperials don't use Frequency Modulations the way the Federation and other races the Borg have encountered do, so it would be pretty much impossible to adapt to Imperial weapons due to a lack of frequency coherence and the sheer brute force of it.
Perion 2 years ago
also, Borg ships (like practically every other ship in Trek) are vulnerable to Ion storms, the Ion canons of a Star Destroyer have many times that firepower.
also the Borg have always been vulnerable to kinetic impacts, with no defense in sight, they have lost thousands of drones to this weakness, and have never shown the ability to adapt to it (since that would require innovation, a trait the Borg lack.)
as a result Machine guns and Mass Drivers are the cheapest ways of dealing with them.
Perion 2 years ago 2
ook FIRST Of all why does it matter to you? and second where are you getting your technical information? it's two WORKS OF FICTION! it's not like it's real in anyway. BUT to prove a point, it's the SW ships that are vulnerable to ion weaponry and you also have to know that because their shields don't modulate that could be a weakness, couple to that the LACK of experience vs transporter systems and the ship could be assimilated easily i am a fan of both SW&ST so please don't assume i'm hating SW
dragonking322 2 years ago
I get my information from the official tech manuals for each series, as well as on screen footage and dialogue.
Star Wars vessels are only vulnerable to Ion weaponry in their subsystems and even then can be repaired in the field, Star Trek vessels have been known to be crippled or destroyed outright by Ion Storms.
many races without transporters have shown the ability to block them, either by accident or by design, Shields of all kinds block transporters to varying degrees.
Perion 2 years ago 2
the lack of modulation isn't an issue, since the frequency system most Trek ships use is an Interrupter frequency, IE the shields flicker on and off extremely fast, as do Phasers and photon torpedoes (not sure exactly on the mechanism there).
weapons match that frequency to pass through the shields, since Star Trek shields block both ways, if the shields and weapon frequencies were out of sync, than they would damage their own shields when they fire.
Star Wars shields don't work that way.
Perion 2 years ago 2
during pre-republic era they did, but by the KOTOR timeframe they used "gunport" shields, opening small holes in the shields only when they fire, at a different rate of fire or frequency for each weapon.
by the time of the Clone Wars they had found a way to create shields that block one way, but allow passage the other way, they used these shields for anything from their hangars to protecting the ship itself.
as for the power flow modulation, well that's irrelevant at that magnitude.
Perion 2 years ago
the only ship that used the gunport shields during the Clone Wars that I know of was the Malevolence, due to it's size and Ion Canon superweapon, that gunport shield became it's undooing, but it was never designed to be a serious superweapon, and little more than a test rig for the effects power generation of that magnitude would entail.
after all, Sidious never intended for the Separatists to win the war.
I'm a fan of both as well, and have done a great amount of research as you can see.
Perion 2 years ago 2
well fine i'll concede then, but I will do so on the objection that those tech manuals, while accepted in most cases as cannon.. is in fact not written by the creators of the series and based on cinematographic special effects which are more often then not, gross exaggerations of physics hence the sound in the vacuum of space
dragonking322 2 years ago
I've always maintained that sound in space is for the audience rather than the characters, since the characters never seem to respond to it, the only sounds they respond to are from vibrations in their own ship/hull.
Star Trek XI does this rather nicely, though for most people it went over their heads, every time the camera follows someone out into space, be it when some of the Kelvin crew were blown out, or when Kirk, Sulu and Ens Ricky did their super Halo jump, the sound all but ceases.
Perion 2 years ago
this is true but the fire balls that you see are highly exagerated
dragonking322 2 years ago
The Star Trek tech manuals are non-canon, and the Star Wars ICS books are so full of holes and non sense that I would not go trusting them too much. Anyhow, good work very enjoyable.
2771 2 years ago
while you are correct about the trek tech manual, the show's weapons are clearly on the same order of magnitude (TNG Pegasus, where Riker stated it would take most of their torpedoes to destroy a 8km by 5km hollow asteroid)
name one hole or nonsense in the ICS book, because there isn't any, unless you consider the 200 gigaton turbolasers and 191 megaton concussion missiles or 11-12 gigaton seismic charges, nonsense/holes in which case that is your opinion and not worth very much.
Perion 2 years ago
the main divergence between the tech manual and the show is phaser firepower, hand phasers aren't anywhere near as powerful on the show as they are stated in the manual.
besides in order for the seismic charges to deal the kind of damage they do in the asteroid field in attack of the clones REQUIRES energy levels greater than that of 10 gigatons of tnt. (IE cutting through asteroids in a 8-10 km radius without losing strength,
oh and DarknesmasterX, the material is called "Neutronium".
Perion 2 years ago
OK, the last ICS book labels the laser/ blasters in the wings of the Jedi interceptor as ion canons when the movie clearly shows blasters being fired from those ports. As for the firepower figures, they are just something Saxon pulled out of his ass to make it sound cool, there is no canon support for his figures at all.
2771 2 years ago
sorry but you are mistaken.
for one thing they are not "clearly blasters" because Ion cannons do not look any different from regular red blasters, this whole "blasters are green and red, ion cannosn are blue" rule is from the Video games and some of the EU NOT from the movies which had the Ion cannon on hoth red and sound just like a Turbolaser when fired, so you cannot say it's a contradiction based on something the movies already override.
Perion 2 years ago
You might want to read my previous comments, I already stated that the seismic charge's performance in ATOC REQUIRES energy levels on the order of 50,000,000 Terajoules, which is exactly what saxton put as the yield for them, likewise in order for Slave 1's blasters to deal the kinds of damage they did to the asteroids in ATOC requires 8 terajoules, again Saxton's numbers are consistent with canon.
they were not "pulled out of his ass" as you claim.
Perion 2 years ago
I was talking about the impact affects not the look or color of the bolts, Ion canons to not produce explosions on impact, they spread out on the target like they did in ESB, in revenge of the sith the bolts produced an explosion and physical damage to the target.
2771 2 years ago
are you sure that was directly caused by the bolt's impact and not the generator shorting out in a weird way?
Perion 2 years ago
I watched it 4 times in slow motion, I am sure, I also watched Slave 1 firing at Obi Wan 4 times in slow motion, and at be he fracture some of the smaller rocks and left smallish craters in the larger ones, also the largest fractured rock was at best about 5m around, if Slave one is about 20-25m from tail guns to the top in flight mode.
2771 2 years ago
that means Trandosian weapons would tear them apart, since most Trando Weapons are Shotgun, SMG and Chaingun based weapons
not to mention Disruptors will tear through a Borg Drone
TheChoujinVirus 2 years ago
yeah, Trandos use ACP and Concussion weapons pretty much exclusively.
I tend to refer to Star Wars Disruptors as "Busters" since they work on the same principle as blasters just with more tibana gas and energy per shot, beyond the safety/stability margins, which is why they are Illegal.
the reason for this is to avoid confusion with the Star Trek version of Disruptors, unfortunately even some of the games, Jedi Knight II for example makes the DXR6 act like a Trek Disruptor only more powerful.
Perion 2 years ago
Busters are also much shorter range than Blasters,also due to the instability of the weapons,
even a hand Blaster such as a DL-44 can cause large, explosive vapourization of concrete, blasting holes the size of a man's torso and spraying shrapnel and superheated gas in all directions, as well as creating a shock wave capable of knocking people to the ground within a 3 meter radius. Busters are far m