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Isn't whaling down 90% over the last 50 years? That's pretty amazing progress. A few hundred whales a year are sustainable...isn't there a real cause G.P. could be focused on?
Thank you for your arguments on legal issues, miley1434, and please try to prove it in a legal and socially acceptable manner. For those who are interested in counter arguments, please google for Debunking the "five breached treaties".
I am informed that the facebook group "Debunking the five breached treaties" debunks the legimate arguments by deleting comments and even sometimes banning anti-whaling users when they can't deal with them.
Japan has ignored these as well as the prior 30+ Resolutions while continuing the JARPA programs, significantly weakening the ICRW and undermining the IWC's indefinite moratorium on commercial whaling.
Phony research targets fin whales and threatens to target humpback whales. These are endangered species and thus this is a violation of the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora. The IUCN list the southern minke whales as conservation dependent.
The Japanese are in violation of IWC regulation 19. (a) The IWC regulations in the Schedule to the Convention forbid the use of factory ships to process any protected stock: 19. (a) It is forbidden to use a factory ship or a land station for the purpose of treating any whales which are classified as Protection Stocks in paragraph 10. Paragraph
10. Paragraph 10(c) provides a definition of Protection Stocks and states that Protection Stocks are listed in the Tables of the Schedule. Table 1 lists all the baleen whales, including minke, fin and humpback whales and states that all of them are Protection Stocks.
The Japanese whaling ships are not allowed to utilize Australian and New Zealand ports because of the recognition and condemnation by these two nations of Japan's unlawful whaling operations.
The Japanese are whaling in violation of the International Whaling Commission's global moratorium on commercial whaling. The IWC scientific committee does not recognize this bogus research that the Japanese are using as an excuse. Whalers are killing whales in the Southern Ocean Sanctuary for whales.
from below -"Greenpeace taken over by the CIA in the mid 70s". OMG, that makes sense. Such a giant organization, the government might want to pull all the strings, and control the money, but do just enough to keep things moving. And of course CIA likes to run around doing things covertly like stealing.
You dont know me and you dont know my country. I live in Ireland for a decade and half, and I can safely say that I know the English speaking nations psyche much more than you do the Japanese (少しでも日本語しゃべれますか?). I understand I am disagreeable to you on this issue, but you better think about which of us it makes look bad to brand me as how you described me.
That is how a Japanese who lives in Tokyo told me how he judges this issue.
Thanks to the internet. Here is a good read:
Investigating the sale of whale meat -the "byproduct" of research whaling written by a Japanese perhaps this will help you to see how another Japanese person describes the whaling issue.
Thank you for introducing the article but unfortunately I couldn't find it by googling. As for the whale meat stock, this might be a good read for you.
The whalers that the Greenpeace sued in relation to this incident are all acquitted now. For me, this incident highlighted again how Greenpeace make a scandal out of lies and half-truth in order to get attention and solicit money.
Describing these two petty thieves as Tokyo Two trivialises the real life tragedy that happened to the Guildford Four and the Birmingham Six who are totally innocent. These 2 gained access to a delivery depot with false identity and carried items away knowing that these items are not their property. They voluntarily confessed what they did in front of the press that they themselves invited for that particular purpose, before they were arrested. They will be punished according to the law.
Since usually it's Australians, Americans or British taking anti-whaling actions, not the Japanese themselves, the Japanese government wants to severely punish the Greenpeace activists Junichi Sato and Toru Suzuki, who actually are political prisoners, as a warning to citizens who question the country's controversial whaling policy.
Again I feel describing these two as political prisoners is an insult to the real political prisoners. While even the authorities need a warrant to confiscate items, what makes these two believe they can do so without? Is it for what they believe is "justice"? What would happen if everybody becomes as self important as these two and start breaking laws for their own "justice"? I don't want this chaos in my country. Therefore, I support the Japanese authorities on this issue.
Japanese whaling activities are illegal under IWC regulations and the provisions of the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species, the Antarctic Treaty thus undermine the rule of law and pose serious concerns for the health of oceanic eco-systems and the conservation of endangered species.
I want order in our oceans therefore I support what I support.
That the world according to you believe its illegal doesn't mean the world according to somebody else also believe it is. If you believe it is illegal, just prove it in a legal and socially acceptable way. Sato and Suzuki are being tried not because they are anti-whaling but because what they did constitutes crimes (trespass and theft). As they confessed it in front of the media, the Japanese police had no choice but arrest them to restore the order.
This is exactly what Japanese whaling fleet is doing in that whale sanctuary. More over they lie about a phony science to whole world.
There is one thing about the law, if an unlawful action exposes greater crime, the unlawful action gets lesser (or sometime none) punishment. But Apparently smuggling is not a crime in Japan. I didn't hear anything about what happen to the crew members who smuggled illegal whale meat.
I understand how you view the Japanese whaling but what I am saying is if you believe it is illegal, just prove it in a legal and socially acceptable way before you believe you are the supralegal existence. Do not support illegal acts for your own "justice", which I believe is irresponsible and self important. All the walers that the Greenpeace sued in relation to the incident are all acquited now, not because the smuggling is not a crime in Japan but because it wasn't smuggling.
Junichi and Toru had no intent of illegal acquisition for personal gain, I think this defines the crime of "theft" under law. They exposed abuse of taxpayer subsidized whale industry and gathered firm evidence of an embezzlement ring involving crew members on board the whalers factory ship Nisshin Maru, who were openly taking the best cuts of whale meat from "scientific" hunt, smuggling it ashore disguised as personal luggage and then passing it to traders for illegal sales for personal gain
In 1995, many people were killed and injured by sarin gas spread by a cult called Aum Shinrikyo in the Tokyo subway. The criminals did this not for their own personal gain, but for what they believed was justice. The court found no wrong-doings from the whalers who are now acquitted.
Of course, the scale of the crime is different but the nature is the same. People can commit a crime not for personal gain but for what they believe. I think this is why the Greenpeace is monitored by FBI in the US.
Of course the scale of the crime of genocide is different between Israel's genocide over Palestinians and the genocide of whales which is committed by Japan, Norway and Greenland. People or nations can commit any crime for any reasons the question here is why some are prepared to break the law and face the consequences and some are not (i.e. genosider whalers)
Sorry to break the news so late for you but it is very well known that the Greenpeace is taken over by the CIA in the mid seventies.
You contradict yourself. You said "Junichi and Toru had no intent of illegal acquisition for personal gain, I think this defines the crime of "theft" under law." And now you are saying "People or nations can commit any crime for any reasons". You said it's off topic and now you took it as on topic. "the question here is why some are prepared to break the law and face the consequences and some are not" - this is exactly what I want to say to Sato and Suzuki.
Junichi and Toru are like not so smart FBI agents who investigated internal corruption within the Mafia and helped only the Godfather who benefited from it. And now the Godfather is rejecting the FBI findings in favour of policing their own. Yes they'll be charged, but in a real democracy where people can have equal rights and voices, the conservationists who are upholding the highest moral law, would not be charged for 10 years and the real misdemeanor they exposed would be punished.
Look! Those who call somebody illegal and won't listen to counter arguments now take moral high ground and start preaching. How convincing they sound!
As I said before these two activists took a stand against Japan's national policy, so they will be harshly punished, and will be used as a warning to Japanese citizens who question Japans whaling policy.
Your argument is based on your fantasy. You want Japan to behave like a dictator. But it is you who is actually behaving like one. You call somebody illegal and you don't allow any counter-argument. You believe your moral high ground should be taken for granted without question and those who challenge your view have no right to complain if they become the target of your anti-social acts as you are acting for the "Justice". I wonder how one can become so self important.
No not really, I think every goverment has a little bit of corruption, and some national pride. This is nothing new. Japanese scientific whaling is an insult to scientist and a huge lie. In my opinion the world will remember this as it is. Whaling for scientific purposes should be banned, and the current International IWC moratorium on commercial whaling should be strengthened, the European Parliament said today. Now you may should wonder how 500 Million people can become so self important.
I have no problem you or 500 million people argue against whaling. Everybody has a right to an opinion. What you said in this column is that those have different opinion than you don't have right to argue back and should be reduced to the target of anti-social acts from people like you who act for the "justice". I didn't say those who argue against whaling are all self important. I said people like you who deny other people's rights and resort to or support anti-social acts are self important.
"No not really, I think every government has a little bit of corruption, and some national pride. " This might be true as no individual or organisation is perfect. However, it is your fantasy that "a little bit of corruption" will work on this particular case. Therefore, your argument is still based on your fantasy.
My fantasy is to live in an ideal and perfect place or state where everyone lives in harmony and everything is for the best. In that regard what I see Japans vote buying by giving away money for little African farm nations fisheries and explain this as a benevolent action and following the highest moral ground to its letter. My question is why? whaling accounts for 0.0014 per cent of the national economy Toilet paper industry brings in more, why dishonor a nation like that?
Your fantasy that we are discussing at the moment is one about the Japanese government. I can give you one reasonable reason why "a little bit of corruption" won't work on this case. It is that the court is independent of the government. Of course there is a possibility of collusion between them, but could you name any examples of collusion in the recent Japanese judicial history? because I cant think of any.
As for CIA/FBI, I think FBI also monitor it. Just google for "ACLU: FBI misuses terror powers to track political groups". (the USA Today 12/20/2005 article)
And if you are interested in the counter-argument to your claim that Japan is against the treaty you named, google for Debunking the "five breached treaties".
The Japanese whaling industry is targeting endangered and threatened whale populations inside an internationally established whale sanctuary in violation of the regulations of the International Whaling Commission and the global moratorium on commercial whaling. There is no counter argument to that.
There are always counter arguments in democratic countries. Just read the link I introduced. If you call somebody illegal, you should expect to be countered and challenged. Minkes and humpbacks are rated as least concern by IUCN. They are taken in a sustainable way. Japan submitted the dispute to the sanctuary decision. The reason of the dispute is that the decision was made against the recommendation from the IWC science committee, which is against the IWC constitution.
Finally some Japanese are found that care about the environment. Most Japanese are taught from birth to be warlike and destroy anything that lives including each other. So they enjoy taking out their instincts to kill on whales and dolphins instead of the women and children they slaughtered in Nanking during world war II.
well i am a worker for the swedish society, atm i am a student but after i graduate i will have something hippies dont have, JOBS. So i will contribute to my land and i will pay taxes and so on dont wanna say everything.
I pay alot of taxes, A lot, lot. I finished everything there is to finish, I make money more than you will ever do in your entire life, I never been a hippy. With this much Stereotyping, lack of knowledge, insensitivity for environment, and being an anti-whale person and all I wouldn't hire you even to scrub toilets.
Japan is a member of the International Whaling Commission (IWC). In 1986, the IWC's moratorium on the killing of whales went into effect. It is not permitted to kill whales protected by the IWC. Around the cost of Japan observers have seen the fishermen slaughtering entire pods of pilot whales. That is a wholesale violation of the provisions of the IWC and is illegal as whaling in the Southern Ocean. Japan exploits a loophole and issues permits for scientific whaling which is condemned by IWC.
No really grilled whale- incredible. The tribe I am affiliated with got a permit to hunt 4 years ago. It was incredible to watch. Didn't get to go myself, but I saw the video. I am not for the commercial hunting of whales, but it does taste very different and good.
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These criminals were released on bail. They paid fucking 4 million yen for each to get out. Now they are waiting for the coming trial. Let's wait and see how long they will serve in the jail. Maybe we will see another arrest from GP members related these crimes in the near future. By the way GP Japan erased every comment made for their videos. Do you know why? Because every videos were filled with blames to those criminals by japanese with good mind. GP Japan couldn't stand them shown.
The same goes to you put a dick in it already! you worthless sack of shit, your the scum of the earth! I dont like violence but your ignorence really makes me tick and if I would ever meet or see you I would punch you straight on the throat! fucking BItch
WTF?? kill babies?? how about we kill you? your worthless and good for nothing, even your youtube page is worthless. Look you just stick to your little fantasy world of video games and keep your dumb sarcastic comments to yourself
I have a question for you. Would you not buy a hybrid vehicle from japan and help to cut down on emissions? have you ever played a video game? what kind of tv do you have? what kind of computer monitor do you have? there are many technologies that come from there too! uh ohs! good luck with your boycott
Do you for some reason believe that I am a pro whale killer? I am for animal rights. I am for taking care of the environment and preserving nature. By reading your profile, I see that you are anti-japan and boycotting anything japanese related due to the whaling. Also due to the right-wing politicians. Therefore you boycott buying anything that has come from japan.
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u idiot, japan is top ranked in sustainable construction, and has one of the lowest emissions in the world. It is a top leader in new technologies fighting to take care of the environment. watch how u comment, it may offend people you stereotypical cunt.
I'm talking about some more Japaneese who actually care about the whales ok. So watch your language and stop having a meltdown over 1 comment. Makes you sound like a four year old.P.S. im not trying 2 be a stereotype srry for that.
no, you stated that "finally some Japanese who care about the environment." as if there is no Japanese who care for the environment. As if there is not many Japanese in general that care about the environment. make it clear the first time. and your statement is stereotypical.
I'm not sure which is more shocking: the fact that they're still using whaling ships, or the way they insult the world's intelligence by claiming their hunts are for scientific purposes.
As much as I detest greenpeace, they MIGHT have a point. What is the other side of this story though? How did they get their evidence and is their evidence comprimised by the way they obtained it (fake evidence)?
Eric13Bravo's religious work aside, the GreenPeace people are essentially trying to bring down an elephant with a flyswatter in everthing they do. It's occasional small victories are just that: small and inconsequential to the larger scheme of things.
Environmentalism and Humanitarianism contradict one another as extremes on a spectrum, yet many fools embrace both in near-absolute form with open arms. Humanity will either find a middle way or no way, as both extremes imply their extinction.
Ladies and gentlemen, here is a perfect example about what I said about PETA and Greenpeace attracting nutcases.Dont bother checking out the video he is trying to get u to see. Its just another alarmist video from someone who believes in voodoo science.lol, The really sad thing is I'm sure this person really believes whatever it is.Just goes to show u how important reading is. If u dont read a lot, anything u do read u tend to take seriously no matter how foolish it is.
Hey Greenpeace we got some crack sellers here, can u come in and buy some crack then take it to the police to send the crack dealers to jail. Thx, u guys are geniuses. :p lol. All the facts in this story are probably true but I have a hard time believing any facts coming from any group that has fanatical worshippers. PETA is the worse as far as crazy people and ideas are concerned but Greenpeace isnt that far behind. U know what they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Ok well it was 1st attributed to Saint Bernard of Clairvaux who said " Hell is full of good intentions or desires." at around 1150AD. "The road to" part was added in Henry George Bohns collection of quotations in 1855 AD.
It means both that good intentions mean nothing if not acted upon and that good deeds do not always come from good intentions. The best example is the ideal held by many intellectuals in the 1800s that there could be created a workers paradise where noone would have to toil at work all day, they would be free to create great works of art, and their lives would have great meaning. That was the good intention, we all know what the reality was. 10s of millions slaughtered in gulags.
These guys were arrested as criminals, because they intruded private property and stole private items. They should be put in jail as long as possible. In Japan, stealing is a crime. Don't even think you can help those criminals.
Japan better really get with the environmental program. They sign every agreement in regard to climate change; But when it comes to whaling--specifically illegally whaling, nothing will stop them. And this country does not consider the problem significant enough for any kind of action. Greenpeace is back in business. Excellent work. Brave work. Real Knights before the greedy plunge the world into a dark age. five stars!
I don't know which side is "correct", but as an critical issue, this should be widely known by more Japanese people. So if you can make a Japanese subtitled version of this video, that will be better, I think.
whatever the people say or might have issues about...the fact that a real footage of a whale being hooked and pulled onto the ship in such a bloody way is enough reason for me to put my signature on the petition. No more argument.
To prove an own idea to be correct, JUNICHI and TORU that appeared in the video went into on the premises and stole the thing of delivering to home to others of the courier service. As for the whale flesh thought that they were illegal, they were caught as a simple larceny because it was lawful. I thank that they were arrested. The law should function equally even with a very sublime thought and idea. It only is it and the way it should be of "L.A.C". You know?
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Demonstrating on the street is an inefficient and fanatic form of self-expression, which is taught by the elite and adopted by simple people who don't know any better, why they should join a civil organization and go screaming on the streets.
Peaceful marches, rallies, demonstrations, boycotts are people's right to expression of freedom.
To think otherwise proves the deep desire to dominate others. These people are intolerant, they like to undermine everything that they can't understand and are not able to consider they can be wrong even for a second. They show unrespectful attitude for the birth rights of others, sympathy to communism and inadequate knowledge or disbelief to democracy.
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No, it is only ordinary citizens who are denied real political power, access to the parliament, who believe they should be on the street. The street is the place for you, you don't demand any other place. You think its normal for you to go screaming to the streets, while actual decisions are made in a bit more quiet and civilized manner indoors. Don't put words into my mouth, bith
Demonstrating on the street is an inefficient and fanatic form of self-expression, which is taught by the elite and adopted by simple people who don't know any better, why they should join a civil and go screaming on the streets.
Someday when there are no more whales and we are having problems with the earth ... because they are here for a reason to balance our earth. We will realize how important this is to stop this killing It must stop DEMAND and you will get. WE did it in 1971 we'll do it again.
There you can see once more how far people are willing to go for money! They have NO respect for nature, for animals, for this planet and even for other people!
they should take the whales killers to jail not the greenpeace's activists.. what do i have to live in this country..
suadynuyasha 1 year ago
Free the Tokyo-Two!
SaraivaMan 1 year ago
shame on Japan.Shame!
FrauVal029 1 year ago
窃盗犯の方ですね
日本では信用が失墜してますよ
Rythemful 1 year ago
Do you know that the two guys ATE the meat ?
watch?v=IxFfj4Az0iU&feature=related
wubai565 2 years ago
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Isn't whaling down 90% over the last 50 years? That's pretty amazing progress. A few hundred whales a year are sustainable...isn't there a real cause G.P. could be focused on?
crhood2166 2 years ago
Hallo Kitty launched a campaign that will save the whales from ending up on restaurant tables, and hopefully that will free the Tokyo two.
/watch?v=IOwiP-VlZoI
MydogisaSharPei 2 years ago
Thank you for your arguments on legal issues, miley1434, and please try to prove it in a legal and socially acceptable manner. For those who are interested in counter arguments, please google for Debunking the "five breached treaties".
tarafuku10 2 years ago
I am informed that the facebook group "Debunking the five breached treaties" debunks the legimate arguments by deleting comments and even sometimes banning anti-whaling users when they can't deal with them.
miley1434 2 years ago 3
I can neither confirm or deny your information for sure as I am not a member of the group but I never saw such a case there myself.
tarafuku10 2 years ago
Japan has ignored these as well as the prior 30+ Resolutions while continuing the JARPA programs, significantly weakening the ICRW and undermining the IWC's indefinite moratorium on commercial whaling.
Phony research targets fin whales and threatens to target humpback whales. These are endangered species and thus this is a violation of the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora. The IUCN list the southern minke whales as conservation dependent.
miley1434 2 years ago
The Japanese are in violation of IWC regulation 19. (a) The IWC regulations in the Schedule to the Convention forbid the use of factory ships to process any protected stock: 19. (a) It is forbidden to use a factory ship or a land station for the purpose of treating any whales which are classified as Protection Stocks in paragraph 10. Paragraph
miley1434 2 years ago
10. Paragraph 10(c) provides a definition of Protection Stocks and states that Protection Stocks are listed in the Tables of the Schedule. Table 1 lists all the baleen whales, including minke, fin and humpback whales and states that all of them are Protection Stocks.
miley1434 2 years ago
The Japanese whaling ships are not allowed to utilize Australian and New Zealand ports because of the recognition and condemnation by these two nations of Japan's unlawful whaling operations.
The Japanese are whaling in violation of the International Whaling Commission's global moratorium on commercial whaling. The IWC scientific committee does not recognize this bogus research that the Japanese are using as an excuse. Whalers are killing whales in the Southern Ocean Sanctuary for whales.
miley1434 2 years ago
from below -"Greenpeace taken over by the CIA in the mid 70s". OMG, that makes sense. Such a giant organization, the government might want to pull all the strings, and control the money, but do just enough to keep things moving. And of course CIA likes to run around doing things covertly like stealing.
oceansandshells 2 years ago
You dont know me and you dont know my country. I live in Ireland for a decade and half, and I can safely say that I know the English speaking nations psyche much more than you do the Japanese (少しでも日本語しゃべれますか?). I understand I am disagreeable to you on this issue, but you better think about which of us it makes look bad to brand me as how you described me.
tarafuku10 2 years ago
That is how a Japanese who lives in Tokyo told me how he judges this issue.
Thanks to the internet. Here is a good read:
Investigating the sale of whale meat -the "byproduct" of research whaling written by a Japanese perhaps this will help you to see how another Japanese person describes the whaling issue.
miley1434 2 years ago
Thank you for introducing the article but unfortunately I couldn't find it by googling. As for the whale meat stock, this might be a good read for you.
david-in-tokyo●blogspot●com
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tarafuku10 2 years ago
This pulls up the article:
Investigating the sale of whale meat the "byproduct" of research whaling pdf
miley1434 2 years ago
Thank you. I'll read it carefully later. I guess some issues in the article are addressed by the link I provided.
tarafuku10 2 years ago
I'll have my interns take a look at it.
miley1434 2 years ago
No matter what, the Greenpeace activists Junichi Sato and Toru Suzuki achieved their goal of bringing the alleged whale meat scandal to public light.
miley1434 2 years ago
The whalers that the Greenpeace sued in relation to this incident are all acquitted now. For me, this incident highlighted again how Greenpeace make a scandal out of lies and half-truth in order to get attention and solicit money.
tarafuku10 2 years ago
People like you are against the anti-whalers culturally they don't like being told what to do by the outside groups, or western nations.
miley1434 2 years ago
Describing these two petty thieves as Tokyo Two trivialises the real life tragedy that happened to the Guildford Four and the Birmingham Six who are totally innocent. These 2 gained access to a delivery depot with false identity and carried items away knowing that these items are not their property. They voluntarily confessed what they did in front of the press that they themselves invited for that particular purpose, before they were arrested. They will be punished according to the law.
tarafuku10 2 years ago
Since usually it's Australians, Americans or British taking anti-whaling actions, not the Japanese themselves, the Japanese government wants to severely punish the Greenpeace activists Junichi Sato and Toru Suzuki, who actually are political prisoners, as a warning to citizens who question the country's controversial whaling policy.
miley1434 2 years ago
Again I feel describing these two as political prisoners is an insult to the real political prisoners. While even the authorities need a warrant to confiscate items, what makes these two believe they can do so without? Is it for what they believe is "justice"? What would happen if everybody becomes as self important as these two and start breaking laws for their own "justice"? I don't want this chaos in my country. Therefore, I support the Japanese authorities on this issue.
tarafuku10 2 years ago
Japanese whaling activities are illegal under IWC regulations and the provisions of the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species, the Antarctic Treaty thus undermine the rule of law and pose serious concerns for the health of oceanic eco-systems and the conservation of endangered species.
I want order in our oceans therefore I support what I support.
miley1434 2 years ago
That the world according to you believe its illegal doesn't mean the world according to somebody else also believe it is. If you believe it is illegal, just prove it in a legal and socially acceptable way. Sato and Suzuki are being tried not because they are anti-whaling but because what they did constitutes crimes (trespass and theft). As they confessed it in front of the media, the Japanese police had no choice but arrest them to restore the order.
tarafuku10 2 years ago
trespass and theft
This is exactly what Japanese whaling fleet is doing in that whale sanctuary. More over they lie about a phony science to whole world.
There is one thing about the law, if an unlawful action exposes greater crime, the unlawful action gets lesser (or sometime none) punishment. But Apparently smuggling is not a crime in Japan. I didn't hear anything about what happen to the crew members who smuggled illegal whale meat.
miley1434 2 years ago
I understand how you view the Japanese whaling but what I am saying is if you believe it is illegal, just prove it in a legal and socially acceptable way before you believe you are the supralegal existence. Do not support illegal acts for your own "justice", which I believe is irresponsible and self important. All the walers that the Greenpeace sued in relation to the incident are all acquited now, not because the smuggling is not a crime in Japan but because it wasn't smuggling.
tarafuku10 2 years ago
Junichi and Toru had no intent of illegal acquisition for personal gain, I think this defines the crime of "theft" under law. They exposed abuse of taxpayer subsidized whale industry and gathered firm evidence of an embezzlement ring involving crew members on board the whalers factory ship Nisshin Maru, who were openly taking the best cuts of whale meat from "scientific" hunt, smuggling it ashore disguised as personal luggage and then passing it to traders for illegal sales for personal gain
miley1434 2 years ago
In 1995, many people were killed and injured by sarin gas spread by a cult called Aum Shinrikyo in the Tokyo subway. The criminals did this not for their own personal gain, but for what they believed was justice. The court found no wrong-doings from the whalers who are now acquitted.
tarafuku10 2 years ago
This is off topic. Insane mass murderers can't be compared to two super eco-heroes.
miley1434 2 years ago
Of course, the scale of the crime is different but the nature is the same. People can commit a crime not for personal gain but for what they believe. I think this is why the Greenpeace is monitored by FBI in the US.
tarafuku10 2 years ago
Of course the scale of the crime of genocide is different between Israel's genocide over Palestinians and the genocide of whales which is committed by Japan, Norway and Greenland. People or nations can commit any crime for any reasons the question here is why some are prepared to break the law and face the consequences and some are not (i.e. genosider whalers)
Sorry to break the news so late for you but it is very well known that the Greenpeace is taken over by the CIA in the mid seventies.
miley1434 2 years ago
You contradict yourself. You said "Junichi and Toru had no intent of illegal acquisition for personal gain, I think this defines the crime of "theft" under law." And now you are saying "People or nations can commit any crime for any reasons". You said it's off topic and now you took it as on topic. "the question here is why some are prepared to break the law and face the consequences and some are not" - this is exactly what I want to say to Sato and Suzuki.
tarafuku10 2 years ago
Junichi and Toru are like not so smart FBI agents who investigated internal corruption within the Mafia and helped only the Godfather who benefited from it. And now the Godfather is rejecting the FBI findings in favour of policing their own. Yes they'll be charged, but in a real democracy where people can have equal rights and voices, the conservationists who are upholding the highest moral law, would not be charged for 10 years and the real misdemeanor they exposed would be punished.
miley1434 2 years ago
Look! Those who call somebody illegal and won't listen to counter arguments now take moral high ground and start preaching. How convincing they sound!
tarafuku10 2 years ago
As I said before these two activists took a stand against Japan's national policy, so they will be harshly punished, and will be used as a warning to Japanese citizens who question Japans whaling policy.
How convenient and how highly moral is that!
miley1434 2 years ago
Your argument is based on your fantasy. You want Japan to behave like a dictator. But it is you who is actually behaving like one. You call somebody illegal and you don't allow any counter-argument. You believe your moral high ground should be taken for granted without question and those who challenge your view have no right to complain if they become the target of your anti-social acts as you are acting for the "Justice". I wonder how one can become so self important.
tarafuku10 2 years ago
No not really, I think every goverment has a little bit of corruption, and some national pride. This is nothing new. Japanese scientific whaling is an insult to scientist and a huge lie. In my opinion the world will remember this as it is. Whaling for scientific purposes should be banned, and the current International IWC moratorium on commercial whaling should be strengthened, the European Parliament said today. Now you may should wonder how 500 Million people can become so self important.
miley1434 2 years ago
I have no problem you or 500 million people argue against whaling. Everybody has a right to an opinion. What you said in this column is that those have different opinion than you don't have right to argue back and should be reduced to the target of anti-social acts from people like you who act for the "justice". I didn't say those who argue against whaling are all self important. I said people like you who deny other people's rights and resort to or support anti-social acts are self important.
tarafuku10 2 years ago
"No not really, I think every government has a little bit of corruption, and some national pride. " This might be true as no individual or organisation is perfect. However, it is your fantasy that "a little bit of corruption" will work on this particular case. Therefore, your argument is still based on your fantasy.
tarafuku10 2 years ago
My fantasy is to live in an ideal and perfect place or state where everyone lives in harmony and everything is for the best. In that regard what I see Japans vote buying by giving away money for little African farm nations fisheries and explain this as a benevolent action and following the highest moral ground to its letter. My question is why? whaling accounts for 0.0014 per cent of the national economy Toilet paper industry brings in more, why dishonor a nation like that?
miley1434 2 years ago
Your fantasy that we are discussing at the moment is one about the Japanese government. I can give you one reasonable reason why "a little bit of corruption" won't work on this case. It is that the court is independent of the government. Of course there is a possibility of collusion between them, but could you name any examples of collusion in the recent Japanese judicial history? because I cant think of any.
tarafuku10 2 years ago
I'd google for
Scholarly articles for corruption in japan's judicial system
then scrool down.
miley1434 2 years ago
then, what did you find?
tarafuku10 2 years ago
As for CIA/FBI, I think FBI also monitor it. Just google for "ACLU: FBI misuses terror powers to track political groups". (the USA Today 12/20/2005 article)
tarafuku10 2 years ago
Yes you have got to monitor what you took over.
miley1434 2 years ago
And if you are interested in the counter-argument to your claim that Japan is against the treaty you named, google for Debunking the "five breached treaties".
tarafuku10 2 years ago
The Japanese whaling industry is targeting endangered and threatened whale populations inside an internationally established whale sanctuary in violation of the regulations of the International Whaling Commission and the global moratorium on commercial whaling. There is no counter argument to that.
miley1434 2 years ago
There are always counter arguments in democratic countries. Just read the link I introduced. If you call somebody illegal, you should expect to be countered and challenged. Minkes and humpbacks are rated as least concern by IUCN. They are taken in a sustainable way. Japan submitted the dispute to the sanctuary decision. The reason of the dispute is that the decision was made against the recommendation from the IWC science committee, which is against the IWC constitution.
tarafuku10 2 years ago
あ!! 西濃運送からお客様の荷物を盗んだ泥棒が写ってる!! オウム教みたいな言い訳した団体の奴だ!
人種差別は止めましょう! 鯨食べるのはその国の食文化です!
オーストラリアも吠える割には世界で一番哺乳類を絶滅させてます!
オーストラリアは旱魃とか環境破壊が凄いですね! やぱレイシストが日本叩きやってるよ!
yossycat 3 years ago
geez... you shouldn't care about their look! you should sign the petition to support junichi and toru!
ReipunK92 3 years ago
What a pathetic thief! He should be put in a jail for the long time. Hahahaha Loser!
MochaFSU 3 years ago
Finally some Japanese are found that care about the environment. Most Japanese are taught from birth to be warlike and destroy anything that lives including each other. So they enjoy taking out their instincts to kill on whales and dolphins instead of the women and children they slaughtered in Nanking during world war II.
ZeroHumans 3 years ago
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stupid fuckin gooks who cares about whales
green peace are just bullies who try to get what they want though even if its not for the betterment of man kind
andrewkiv93 3 years ago
what ever happened to these men in the end?
cutemussy 3 years ago
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They killed Korean girls!!!
It is true,
Jap raped Korean woman!!!
Help me Greenpeace!! I can't kill all jap alone!! They are rapper
archive0089 3 years ago
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jap are crazy
nip are sex madness
jap in jail
nip in fail
jajajajajajaja
archive0089 3 years ago
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crazy jap in jail hahahaha
more and more japs in joint!!
archive0089 3 years ago
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i like nip-haters
i love jap-haters
this is 5 stars.
archive0089 3 years ago 2
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i like nip.
it sounds like nipple hahaha
DIE ALL NIP
archive0089 3 years ago
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KILL JAPS ALL
They are genetically inferior
archive0089 3 years ago 2
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do you know every year japs rape nearly a thousand white womans in Japan
archive0089 3 years ago
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japs japs japs
omg i hate japs lol
crazy country, they must be rapper hahaha
rape country japan
KILL JAPS ALL
All Jap woman raped by pig
archive0089 3 years ago 2
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pig pig pig
japs are pig
go go greenpeace
fuck them all
archive0089 3 years ago 2
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japs crazy country in this world
i 've ever seen like japs,they are over ugly...
archive0089 3 years ago
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Jap pig raped
jap are monkey
jap craze fucked nigga
jap are asian nigga they are ugly face,evil mind
archive0089 3 years ago 2
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ugly face...
gross,
KILL JAPS ALL
archive0089 3 years ago
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fuck japs
All Jap woman raped by pig lol
archive0089 3 years ago
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love this video
japs kill each other lol
archive0089 3 years ago
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I love these two Japs
cause both of them look like fish face lol
Japs r genetically ugly
jajajajajajajajajajajaja
archive0089 3 years ago
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Japs look fag and ugly
JAPS must be genetically evil and ugly
archive0089 3 years ago
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Ugly JAPS r genetically evil
archive0089 3 years ago
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I only say they r sun of pig
왜 바보같은 일본은 고래를 잡아,세계에 미움받고..
FUCK JAPENIS RETARD.
They r asian nigga kkkkk
archive0089 3 years ago
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Go Greenpeace
Kill jAPS PIG ALL and cut down their pig penis
archive0089 3 years ago
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Jap looks monkey jajajaja
They have inferior culture.kill them all
Go Greenpeace
archive0089 3 years ago
Now I do view JAPS pig as genetically inferior and culturally inferior.
nice video 5
archive0089 3 years ago
they are fucked.
freeyourmindusa 3 years ago
what is whales good for anyway? If you hippies want the sea lvl to decrease take out the whales it will make it sink! Stupid hippies
Lizzarazo 3 years ago
What are you good for anyway? stupid whaler.
SaveAWhaleBoycottJPN 3 years ago
well i am a worker for the swedish society, atm i am a student but after i graduate i will have something hippies dont have, JOBS. So i will contribute to my land and i will pay taxes and so on dont wanna say everything.
Lizzarazo 3 years ago
I pay alot of taxes, A lot, lot. I finished everything there is to finish, I make money more than you will ever do in your entire life, I never been a hippy. With this much Stereotyping, lack of knowledge, insensitivity for environment, and being an anti-whale person and all I wouldn't hire you even to scrub toilets.
SaveAWhaleBoycottJPN 3 years ago 3
fucking japs. boycott all jap products. subhuman scum
kickintheirface 3 years ago
thx for the information
danteeep 3 years ago
Japan is a member of the International Whaling Commission (IWC). In 1986, the IWC's moratorium on the killing of whales went into effect. It is not permitted to kill whales protected by the IWC. Around the cost of Japan observers have seen the fishermen slaughtering entire pods of pilot whales. That is a wholesale violation of the provisions of the IWC and is illegal as whaling in the Southern Ocean. Japan exploits a loophole and issues permits for scientific whaling which is condemned by IWC.
VivaEcoCuItBusiness 3 years ago 6
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HAve you ever eaten whale? if you ever did you would understand where the government is coming from. It is delicious/ dolphin not so much.
bzerk2 3 years ago
why dont you put a dick in your mouth so that nothing comes out of it!
debbyluvsbud 3 years ago 5
hehe good advice mate.
ForSPARTAAAAAAA 3 years ago 4
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No really grilled whale- incredible. The tribe I am affiliated with got a permit to hunt 4 years ago. It was incredible to watch. Didn't get to go myself, but I saw the video. I am not for the commercial hunting of whales, but it does taste very different and good.
bzerk2 3 years ago
haha, japanese really like their seafood dont they? they are always doing some crazy shit so they can eat dolphins and whales.
12354blahbla 3 years ago
I encourage all youtubers to boycott whale meat.
buttdagger 3 years ago
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These criminals were released on bail. They paid fucking 4 million yen for each to get out. Now they are waiting for the coming trial. Let's wait and see how long they will serve in the jail. Maybe we will see another arrest from GP members related these crimes in the near future. By the way GP Japan erased every comment made for their videos. Do you know why? Because every videos were filled with blames to those criminals by japanese with good mind. GP Japan couldn't stand them shown.
hex99jojo 3 years ago
The same goes to you put a dick in it already! you worthless sack of shit, your the scum of the earth! I dont like violence but your ignorence really makes me tick and if I would ever meet or see you I would punch you straight on the throat! fucking BItch
debbyluvsbud 3 years ago
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Save the whales kill the babies!!
JoshieBoyIsLeet 3 years ago
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WTF?? kill babies?? how about we kill you? your worthless and good for nothing, even your youtube page is worthless. Look you just stick to your little fantasy world of video games and keep your dumb sarcastic comments to yourself
debbyluvsbud 3 years ago
These people are true courageous heroes.
Japan was #1 on my vacation list; however, I refuse to go there until they show some integrity.
animalliberation0961 3 years ago
Oh no!!! You didn't mean that. You are soooo anti-Japanese my friend. (and compostable)
YouAreCompostable 3 years ago
Compostable??? Aren't we all? Actually, I'm anti cruelty, not anti Japanese, I find their men sexy as hell (the enlightened ones, that is).
animalliberation0961 3 years ago
I have a question for you. Would you not buy a hybrid vehicle from japan and help to cut down on emissions? have you ever played a video game? what kind of tv do you have? what kind of computer monitor do you have? there are many technologies that come from there too! uh ohs! good luck with your boycott
thizzcake 3 years ago
Do you for some reason believe that I am a pro whale killer? I am for animal rights. I am for taking care of the environment and preserving nature. By reading your profile, I see that you are anti-japan and boycotting anything japanese related due to the whaling. Also due to the right-wing politicians. Therefore you boycott buying anything that has come from japan.
thizzcake 3 years ago
KEEP SPEAKING OUT the Truth. The truth will set the whales Free one day!. GREAT JOB!
Every life saved is a victory.
Love the editing work.
RinglingCircusCruel 3 years ago
finnally some japaneese who care for the environment
wolfang530 3 years ago 5
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u idiot, japan is top ranked in sustainable construction, and has one of the lowest emissions in the world. It is a top leader in new technologies fighting to take care of the environment. watch how u comment, it may offend people you stereotypical cunt.
thizzcake 3 years ago
I'm talking about some more Japaneese who actually care about the whales ok. So watch your language and stop having a meltdown over 1 comment. Makes you sound like a four year old.P.S. im not trying 2 be a stereotype srry for that.
wolfang530 3 years ago 2
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no, you stated that "finally some Japanese who care about the environment." as if there is no Japanese who care for the environment. As if there is not many Japanese in general that care about the environment. make it clear the first time. and your statement is stereotypical.
thizzcake 3 years ago
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lolwut? I'd feel sorry for them, only that's what they get for joining greenpeace.
And how do we know they're not faking the whole thing? Greenpeace is known for lying and making up its own evidence.
VengefulRonin 3 years ago
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The Japanese do another good job. Fuck greenpeace. :thumb:
goldenate 3 years ago
What do you mean?
YushinMaruNo2 3 years ago
I'm not sure which is more shocking: the fact that they're still using whaling ships, or the way they insult the world's intelligence by claiming their hunts are for scientific purposes.
lycurgusthelawgiver 3 years ago 2
As much as I detest greenpeace, they MIGHT have a point. What is the other side of this story though? How did they get their evidence and is their evidence comprimised by the way they obtained it (fake evidence)?
mojothemigo 3 years ago
dont use money cancers on it
drummerbowlskater 3 years ago
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I get it. Protect both whales and activists!
Greenfir 3 years ago
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Lame. Given the title, I thought it was gonna be some Japanese chick's cans.
kennedmh 3 years ago
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haha hell yea, all the more important shit in the world an they're focused on the big bad whaling industry
SklLLZ 3 years ago
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Eric13Bravo's religious work aside, the GreenPeace people are essentially trying to bring down an elephant with a flyswatter in everthing they do. It's occasional small victories are just that: small and inconsequential to the larger scheme of things.
Environmentalism and Humanitarianism contradict one another as extremes on a spectrum, yet many fools embrace both in near-absolute form with open arms. Humanity will either find a middle way or no way, as both extremes imply their extinction.
SlaughterMcKill 3 years ago
i dont get it
schultzee101 3 years ago
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Ladies and gentlemen, here is a perfect example about what I said about PETA and Greenpeace attracting nutcases.Dont bother checking out the video he is trying to get u to see. Its just another alarmist video from someone who believes in voodoo science.lol, The really sad thing is I'm sure this person really believes whatever it is.Just goes to show u how important reading is. If u dont read a lot, anything u do read u tend to take seriously no matter how foolish it is.
Eric13Bravo 3 years ago
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fuck you greenpeace...
deathtax10 3 years ago
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Hey Greenpeace we got some crack sellers here, can u come in and buy some crack then take it to the police to send the crack dealers to jail. Thx, u guys are geniuses. :p lol. All the facts in this story are probably true but I have a hard time believing any facts coming from any group that has fanatical worshippers. PETA is the worse as far as crazy people and ideas are concerned but Greenpeace isnt that far behind. U know what they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Eric13Bravo 3 years ago
Who said that, Why?
WooSmeef 3 years ago
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Ok well it was 1st attributed to Saint Bernard of Clairvaux who said " Hell is full of good intentions or desires." at around 1150AD. "The road to" part was added in Henry George Bohns collection of quotations in 1855 AD.
Eric13Bravo 3 years ago
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It means both that good intentions mean nothing if not acted upon and that good deeds do not always come from good intentions. The best example is the ideal held by many intellectuals in the 1800s that there could be created a workers paradise where noone would have to toil at work all day, they would be free to create great works of art, and their lives would have great meaning. That was the good intention, we all know what the reality was. 10s of millions slaughtered in gulags.
Eric13Bravo 3 years ago
and I thought that the japanese government had became more rational after WWII
biscoito1r 3 years ago
if worry about meat from whales then worry about all living animals we consume, eat.
ase010 3 years ago
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These guys were arrested as criminals, because they intruded private property and stole private items. They should be put in jail as long as possible. In Japan, stealing is a crime. Don't even think you can help those criminals.
hex99jojo 3 years ago
typical secrecy of the greedy in private and public sectors.
jerrydoubleu 3 years ago
if you wish to help, pleas sign the petition on greenpeace site and if you can try to convince other people to do the same
painintheass1992 3 years ago
Japan better really get with the environmental program. They sign every agreement in regard to climate change; But when it comes to whaling--specifically illegally whaling, nothing will stop them. And this country does not consider the problem significant enough for any kind of action. Greenpeace is back in business. Excellent work. Brave work. Real Knights before the greedy plunge the world into a dark age. five stars!
Rikotistic 3 years ago
Shame Japan Gov. SHAME!
Fuck your corruption!
veganima 3 years ago
I still do not understand why the Whalers aren't in custody when the evidence has been revealed.
gkdrummerboy 3 years ago
let them free!
xxOMGamberxx 3 years ago
Damn LMAO Dat Has 2 B Illegal Wheres Da Petition ?
KTMoney12 3 years ago
Whaling is a crime !
SeanBreen 3 years ago 4
I don't know which side is "correct", but as an critical issue, this should be widely known by more Japanese people. So if you can make a Japanese subtitled version of this video, that will be better, I think.
どちら(日本政府か抗議するNPOなどの組織か)が正しいかは個人的にまだわかりませんが、ただ非常に大きな問題であることは間違いないので、問題を解決に結びつけるため、より多くに日本の民衆にしてもらったほうがいいと思います。なので、このビデオの日本語吹き替え版を作ることをお薦めいたします。
tkantest 3 years ago 4
perhaps you would be well qualified to make the subtitles.
elHippieSupremo 3 years ago
whatever the people say or might have issues about...the fact that a real footage of a whale being hooked and pulled onto the ship in such a bloody way is enough reason for me to put my signature on the petition. No more argument.
kamuisky 3 years ago 4
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I'm not saying it's o.k. to kill the whales,but have you ever seen a whale up close?How else are they gonna get it on the boat.
lazydragon333 3 years ago
this is really sad!!! SAVE THE WHALES!!! go to my page!: )
amyjk15 3 years ago 2
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To prove an own idea to be correct, JUNICHI and TORU that appeared in the video went into on the premises and stole the thing of delivering to home to others of the courier service. As for the whale flesh thought that they were illegal, they were caught as a simple larceny because it was lawful. I thank that they were arrested. The law should function equally even with a very sublime thought and idea. It only is it and the way it should be of "L.A.C". You know?
THIR13ENGHOSTS 3 years ago
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Demonstrating on the street is an inefficient and fanatic form of self-expression, which is taught by the elite and adopted by simple people who don't know any better, why they should join a civil organization and go screaming on the streets.
teemuruskeepaa 3 years ago
What are you talking about?
Peaceful marches, rallies, demonstrations, boycotts are people's right to expression of freedom.
To think otherwise proves the deep desire to dominate others. These people are intolerant, they like to undermine everything that they can't understand and are not able to consider they can be wrong even for a second. They show unrespectful attitude for the birth rights of others, sympathy to communism and inadequate knowledge or disbelief to democracy.
ForSPARTAAAAAAA 3 years ago 2
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No, it is only ordinary citizens who are denied real political power, access to the parliament, who believe they should be on the street. The street is the place for you, you don't demand any other place. You think its normal for you to go screaming to the streets, while actual decisions are made in a bit more quiet and civilized manner indoors. Don't put words into my mouth, bith
teemuruskeepaa 3 years ago
How educated selection of words accompanied with:
" Don't put words into my mouth, bith "
proves your real level to me.
ForSPARTAAAAAAA 3 years ago 2
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That's your opinion
teemuruskeepaa 3 years ago
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Demonstrating on the street is an inefficient and fanatic form of self-expression, which is taught by the elite and adopted by simple people who don't know any better, why they should join a civil and go screaming on the streets.
teemuruskeepaa 3 years ago
200.000 signed petitions. Whoo hoo!!!
My signature is one of them.
ILuvCaptPaulWatson 3 years ago
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These criminals were arrested. They are the thieves and the shame of Japan. They must be convicted in jail as long as possible.
hex99jojo 3 years ago
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Hex shut up u ignorant Piece of shit
Greenpeace U HAVE THE SUPPORT OF AUSSIES EVERYWHERE
beastboy834 3 years ago 2
hex99jojo really has to watch less PropagandaBuster.
ILuvCaptPaulWatson 3 years ago 2
Let them go free and stop killing our whales NOW!
jon4de 3 years ago 9
PLEASE sign the petition!!
WE CAN make a difference!!
7203507 3 years ago 8
Someday when there are no more whales and we are having problems with the earth ... because they are here for a reason to balance our earth. We will realize how important this is to stop this killing It must stop DEMAND and you will get. WE did it in 1971 we'll do it again.
diane189444 3 years ago 6
There you can see once more how far people are willing to go for money! They have NO respect for nature, for animals, for this planet and even for other people!
KimXS 3 years ago 2
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Where can i buy whale meat locally? Sux having to ship from Japan! Love the protein,... EAT MORE WHALE! (flex, flex)
RoidBoyz 3 years ago
Please sign the petition! It CAN make a difference!
MarieClaudeP 3 years ago 9
oh my goodness its fraud and commercialised corrupt through japanese governments!!!! they are so bad!
release these great men for standing up for the whales! they are good
SIGN THE PETITION!!!!!
cutemussy 3 years ago 7
I can't believe this :/
God I hate how greed ruins the world in so many ways
samhamels 3 years ago 11
I've already written to the Japanese authorities and would encourage other people to do the same.
dissent2007 3 years ago 9