A simple "I don't fucking know" would be enough, Dinesh. It would allow you to, at least, preserve your delusion in a way that wouldn't make you look stupid. But this was sad......so sad.
The stupid is so strong. By his level of thinking, then believing in something because it can not be 100% disproved, makes it true. Yes we dont know that there is not a heaven with the flying spaghetti moster, therefor you believe that there isnt one. What a childish, and idiotic statement. You are making the claim, you have to support it, choosing to disbelieve someones ridiculous idea in no way makes him a believer, it makes him have a rational and thoughtful brain.
Way to NOT answer the question. He resorts to all manner of sidestepping and hand waving to confuse the issue and avoid a question he knows he can't answer. D'Souza gets shredded in "The Christian Delusion". Excellent read.
For fuck's sake, I'm just wishing Matt Dillahunty were the moderator. "Dinesh, this isn't an opportunity for you to preach, so skip the BS and get to the answer."
@LORDJESUSCHRISTCHILD Looked at your page, you are too obviously a fake Christian buffoon. Nice touch with the fucked up grammar and syntax though, it's just a tad too much.
Tip: register as a US citizen in stead of the UK and don't mention any colleges you attended.
Tried to make sense of your comment but failed to grasp your reasoning and whose true god are you talking about!!!! Jews, Muslims, Christians or hundreds of others? They all believe their god is/was true. Consider yourself self beaten as long as you continue to adhere to some extraterrestrial none sense.
@Aliof LOL!Of course you couldn't make sense,you lack knowledge of the FSM unlike the other 5 guys who gave thumbs up. The FSM,or flying spaghetti monster,is a spoof "religious" doctrine and favors pirates, so amputees are special,for the fsm wants them to have hooks and peg leg prosthetics like pirates did! Christianity or any religion has no explanation to the aforementoned question where ironically,the FSM "religion" gives an answer. Hope this clear things a bit,and yes, I'm an atheist.
@balamanti2 I'm very sorry, but your intellectual capacity simply doesn't meet the requirements for a fruitful discussion on any level. I mean, if you don't even see that your 'arguments' would be equally valid for e.g. Buddha or any other, we can both agree on, non-existent god characters people worshipped in the past, what else is there to say but good-bye and good luck with remaining ignorant of your own stupidity.
And I couldn't care less if you think it isn't just that.
@billytistrak I'm sure that's what you are convinced of. Like I said, I can't be bothered with your lack of intelligence or any lame discourse that results from it. What would be my benefit? Too many buffoons out there already, theists and non-theists alike. This is not about anyone´s particular creed or lack thereof, it's about applying simple rules of logic, common sense and most of all: intellectual honesty.
Have a great day and stay as ignorant as possible. Suits you just fine I reckon.
I think you need to stop listening to your preacher who has been spoon feeding you some stupid fairy tail. You also need to cure your mental disease, religious phobia, by visiting your nearest psychologist with good supply of psycho medication.
Those who wrote great music and created great paintings received their inspiration from their own ingenuity, Jesus the myth had nothing to do with it. Wake up and smell the coffee.
"hence atheist & naturalist has no point in creation", what are you talking about? The guy commented that those who wrote great musics and those who created great paintings etc received their inspiration from religion and god. I said nonsense. I agree with your second point however, the first is highly debatable.
Atheist and naturalist has no point to say "creative" or creation because to them is natural causes. So the drive - the spiritual drive and the long for immaterial soul, the soul of the art has nothing to do with any body with atheist mind set, hence atheism can be easily classified psychologically as a way to kill spirituality for lots of reasons; one atheism not not sublimate, there is no "super" consciousness, all is delusion to them hence any form of art is a form of delusions . FUCK IT
@billytistrak Atheism is a non descriptive label we use to point to the lack of belief in god(s) towards a person or groups of people. It has nothing to with art, delusions or souls nor can it be classified psychologically and it certainly is not a mindset. An atheist can believe in many things such as spirituality, UFO's, ESP or the afterlife. They simply don't believe any gods exist. Nothing more.
You probably think that the term 'moron' is just some derogatory word you tell people they are. But let me assure you, there is a difference in degree of intellectually and intellectual honesty between people. Judging alone by the way you handle logical constructs in language, all bad grammar aside, I can already tell that You calling Me a moron, is bit of a stretch.
@fylosofer I'm so terribly sorry I caused you misgivings by doing that. What was I thinking? I'll go live out the rest of my days in the shed in the garden where I can hide my shame.
i ll belive in miracle if some one start to grow limbe.some one is cure from spinabifeda, trisomie 16.18,or 21 i ll belive in miracle when some one is cure from dna delation in other word god has limitation to cure????it s limit is changing dna,the other thing like paralizis ,blindness depth and many more can be psychological induce by what ever trauma.even the cure of cancer see where i am going,
In such a case you have no tools whatsoever, mister DSouza, to discern between "natural background noise" and "genuine miracles".
See the problem? If you want to appeal at least to some consistency and or operability, you need to be be able to demonstrate your case beyond the natural background noise. For example, if it was only the "Catholic prayer" that demonstrably worked, we would have to simply acknowledge that.
"There is something that would not have happened if natural forces were left to their own devices but the supernatural intervention is simply to use natural means to bring about a result that wouldnt otherwise have occurred."
D'Souza is almost certainly the most objectionable and inept apologist going 'round the debate circuit. He's a joke, and extremely annoying to listen to.
@namnack Don't get me wrong I think they're all objectionable, but no other makes me feel physically sick like D'Souza does. As to who does a better job, certainly WLC, his arguments are much better and I can listen to him for a few minutes before I start mumbling under my breath about his inaccuracies.
If your claim is that faith is some kind of ability which you can train then I would agree. The outcome wont be the healing of anything though, it will probably end up with you being scammed by someone preying on your tumorous gullibility and total lack of skeptical thinking skills.
And don't you think someone would have stood up by now claiming the billions he or she could make with such cultivated superpowers?
@namnack Any ability one might have must be developed in order that he has faith in it. It takes much discipline and perseverance, and humility. I don´t claim to be an example of such virtues. But I have received some minor healings. So, if it works, it works (at least, for me).
Faith requires time to grow. There are occasions for lessers proofs of one´s faith before one attempts the healing of an amputee. Some of Jesus´s disciples who were unable to heal a certain case were told: "oh faithless generation....if you had faith as small as a mustard seed..."
A 1st year science student would not be expected to formulate the trajectory of a spaceship to the moon or mars. It´ll take him a few more years.
People like Dinesh who defend the position you are defending as well, get payed to do so. If that wasn't the case, the'd either be writers of books no one reads, standing on a street corner holding up a sign or just got a proper job.
They are not bothered with selling you this nonsense, it's probably all they think they can do. But you should be bothered. A lot.
@namnack I´m not bothered or worried at all whether or not Dinesh sells his books or gets paid for debating atheists. I find his arguments very well grounded and mighty interesting.
@namnack Dinesh started with eating flat bread and curry in some God forsaken place , amongst his half naked half educated people and by his audacity he has crossed his 7 sea and 13 rivers, and lecturing the descendants of chimps and hollering on their demigods Hitchen at el.--------And you call him a stupid !!!!!!
------First see when your demigods hitchen /dawkins cross their 7 seas 13 rivers(not in backward direction) , and then call Dinesh a stupid .
@mrbignoise1 So whether or not someone is stupid in his claims is dependent on his and 2 random people's travel expenses. Cute theory. Sounds like something out of the Hitchhiker's Guide or a Monty Python routine. Just not quite as funny.
But keep working on it, just don't quit your day job just yet.
@namnack, Yes you are very correct. Descendants of chimps can appreciate only bananas and wild berries along with smoke and fire. Sense of consciousness and prayers are only for human beings.
And by the way , all fellows (hindus christians, or muslims ) pray for return of health. I have never heard they pray for growing of extra legs, extra hands, extra eyes. or something !!!
If that was possible , in that case it will very stupid of them , for not asking a full blown baby out of say hand or thigh as appendage.
@mrbignoise1 I find it hard to make out your point here. It seems you are taking the question literally when in fact it's used merely as an example question to show the stupidity behind the notion of prayer. And I don't see why you would applaud him for putting up a smoke screen.
Imagine some decades before , he was chewing flat bread in some God forsaken corner of the earth among some half educated half naked person. To day by dint of sheer audacity , he sitting in the front table in front of the white-man and telling them what they should do.
Can I ever imagine he will not have enemies there.
But any way I applaud Dinesh for his smoke screen of eloquence even though he was smartly dodging. I wonder how many in this blog spewing their idiocity can speak beyond their few incoherent inaudible stammering hiss hiss.
Dinesh become stupid , in a stupid situation created by very unthinking stupid person. This is a perfect example.
No part of body is grown excepting inside mothers' womb. All other places man do is artificial grafting. Man's body is not lizards tail .
Imagine this is possible. Then heart transplant or Kidney transplant are not required. In that case stupid person as the asker will always cheat and sometime he will grow his hands and the other time grow I don't know what , and never die
apart from completely dodging the amputee question, Dinesh also committed another fatal error.....asserting that belief is warranted in the absence of evidence. He claims that neither the believer nor the nonbeliever know but the believer is justified in believing anyway.
By this logic he should believe in EVERYTHING that has ever been claimed including bigfoot, pixies, klingons, orbitting teapots, invisible pink unicorns, dragons.....and every other god claim in history.
I would think thousands of years of failed prayer before the age of modern medicine would be enough to convince anyone that prayer is completely fucking useless. It's not a coincidence that medicine came along and life expectancy rose dramatically.
what is this dillhole talking about? it's a good question. if someone recovers from cancer, they claim it's a miracle. but i've never seen a regrown arm.
The reason is simple. People can ask god to heal whatever problems that can heal themselfes, without God. Therefore, asking God to heal an amputee is a prayer that wont be answered. They know this, therefore this is tabu.
The real question is why they know God wont heal amputees.
You cannot heal an amputee. Unless they have an infected limb. You need to create a new limb or bring in the old limb for repair and attachment. Amputees cannot be healed there is nothing wrong with them. Creation of new limbs is not healing.God creating a new limb of flesh? is not His will. Flesh will not inherit the kingdom of God. God desires a Spirit Life not flesh Life. Why won't God heal an amputee because they are very well, thank you. Go tell an amputee he is sick see reaction.
Luke 22:50-51 It really breaks my heart tgat you have people who do not study our Fathers word and tgen get asked by the nay sayers and can't answer. So now the nay sayers are stuck and never arrive at the truth. Sealing their own fate. When all they had to do is believe and your question will be answered. Eventually you will know the truth and truth shall make you free. Free from the controllers devils of this world.
Luke 22:50-51 Is an example of God healing an amputee. The body part was cut off. Jesus healed it immediately. It really sad that people debate who haven't studied the word. Blind leading the blind, both fall into the ditch. Then you can't get out because you get stuck and another lost soul..smh. So sad.
@noellennon I'm sure the believer in question would't mind us chopping off one one of his limbs first in order for him to qualify for this particular miracle to happen. :)
@AaronCountee In Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, Harry regrew his right arm after Professor Gilderoy Lockhart removed all the bones. So sad how people assume its impossible to regrow limbs. smh.
@AaronCountee The bible also has examples of donkeys and snakes talking but I doubt that you will go out and try to carry on a conversation with them. Stuff written on scrolls thousands of years ago does not count as evidence. If it did, then you would have to give credit to Zeus ruling the skies, Poseidon ruling the seas, and Hades ruling the world of the dead. I assume you don't believe that, right? I suppose you'd have to study Greek mythology in depth before you say it's false as well, huh?
@AaronCountee We're gonna need more than a book that's only proof is itself. We see a science textbook, we believe it. Why? Because the book isn't the proof. The book is merely saying, "We see this today. If you want, you can see it, too."
The bible is a book that says, "I saw this and you can't. Believe it or burn."
Its amazing that some people think its 50-50, like god either exists or doesnt and theres no evidence pointing either way. There is far more reason not to believe in magic, theres no leap of faith because non-believers dont commit themselves to anything, theres no path we MUST stick to.
Rejection of baseless assertions, such as claims that god(s) exist(s), does not require faith. Belief based on faith (i.e. belief without evidence and/or despite evidence to the contrary) is not equal to disbelief based on the fact that no evidence has been presented. To believe in a thing despite the fact that there is no evidence that it exists is irrational. To reject claims made without any supporting evidence is rational. It's so simple even a child should understand this.
When I was a Christian I went to plenty of healing services & there were many examples of people being "healed" of headaches or a general sense of unease but every time someone went with a limb missing, guess what? No healing. Afterwards people would say things like "ah but he was spiritualy healed". What lies behind this question is surely this kind of nonsense where God heals vague ailments but not concrete ones. Mr D'Souza utterly fails to answer this question because he can't.
I ask this question all the time in my debates. No Christain can answer this. The one most typical response is "well, too obvious." The other responses are " well GOD chooses, or well the person should have prayed for the arm to be put back in place before it became completly useless."
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I am not a person of faith but i understood what he said and he DID answer the question. He said "he doesn't know" but that he takes it on faith that there must be a reason for no intervention and he comes to terms with what happens, wheras the non-faith person comes to terms with it some other way. You misrepresented this namnack, he did answer the question, although it was an unfortunate answer.
The fact that he danced around for six minutes trying to think of a good answer doesn't change the fact that at 3:15 he got to the crux and answered. If the audience don't get it contextually, or they can't pull the important from the rubbish, and gasp and say "oh come on answer the question" that says just as much about the audience as it does about the speaker.Dinesh is a useless theist, but anyone who can't listen because they are fishing for anothers fail are just as useless.
Wow. And to think Hitchens considers this guy his most formidable opponent. If this is as good as religious apologetics gets, it's time for religion to throw in the towel.
this question is misleading, because after an amputee's arm is severed, the wound heals with medical attention. the correct question is "why doesn't God grow a new one?" well just because there may not be any documentation, that doesn't prove it never happened.Mr. D'Souza fell for that one...oh well.
@gavacho1972 The question is understood as such, there is no need for rephrasing. Furthermore, this question isn't about amputees and the regrowing of limbs, it's about the absence of verifiable claims in regards to the power of prayer. It's just one (popular) example out of many showing that these sorts of arguments for the existence of god(s) is nothing more than the god of the gaps fallacy.
I'm about to flag this video as inappropriate. I cannot understand why namnack doesn't warn fragile theist viewers against this bloody pwnage on ol' poor lil Dinesh. Dinesh's futile struggle was so awkward that it made me feel uncomfortable.
@namnack which says more about his audience really. I don't think he is only dishonest, but what value does one's intellect and cleverness hold without honesty?
@whyabadi I'm not convinced either that he really doesn't realise what utter BS he is putting forth in defence of his version of reality. There is no value here.
Earlier I had to go to the hospital hoping that o would not need surgery. I said miracle prayers in the waiting room, praying for gods help. Then I went into the doctor and they had to amputate. I am questioning alot of things.
such a simple question that no christian can seem to answer. the best answer ive gotten is....."god doesnt want to" oh and..... "we all deserve death anyways"
Well, they can't just come out and say that these miracles do in fact happen but that it's not within the realm of the scientific method to definitively determine the miracle status. If they did use this argument, you could just flip flop the question and ask them how they think they can determine the miracle status and tell them that ironically, they would then run into the same problem. So yeah, all that´s left is dancing, knowing full well that most people Will drink the Kool-Aid.
He just blew this..why didnt he just say he doesnt know why God choses or doesnt chose to do this? Cause honestly, he doenst know; I dont know, and there isnt a single person who can honestly say they do.
@Andrewlohbihler They know it's god's plan for them to assume it's not god's plan? You can go several levels deeper with that one, it's like Inception, and just as overrated.
If we were to witness the restoration of a lost limb, it will probably be the result of centuries of painstaking research in a wide variety of scientific fields, not Harry Potter's magic, a pixie's incantation or your sky daddy's benevolence.
@Nonnamnack I told you so the three things enumerated here holds my last question to you is this if ever science in itself is invoking possibilities and not proofs maybe that will make you smile as an explanation coz if they could not understand anymore your science will go to lengths of even meteors healing it isnt it :)
@TheNoMind40 Plastic cavities will sorrow and coz invoke science in the Bible. Stars and sons explode and densities in Darwins toilet will be responsible for massive proofs on the planet Vulcan. Don't you agree?
@TheCreativemind40 Indeed, to heal a limb which doesn't exist sounds like the handy work of a non existent being. I hope he'll find the time to do something about your nonexistent brain as well.
Probabilities don't just change with what happens to be someone´s creed or the limits of someone's reasoning abilities. If you noticed a sugar cup filled to the brim when it was empty yesterday, do you assume it is likely that it was replenished by your god or by someone in your household?
A child could maybe be persuaded to think it was magic, and your way of reasoning considering the amputee is no different. You'd be lying to yourself if you claim there is a difference.
D'souza is a man who thinks that torturous human sacrifice is beneficial for his imagined supernatural welfare. It would be best to ignore his waffling, however, his public position shouts for response.
This man's shameless behaviour is a stain on our society. But... nothing more than a stain, as becomes clear in this video..
A simple "I don't fucking know" would be enough, Dinesh. It would allow you to, at least, preserve your delusion in a way that wouldn't make you look stupid. But this was sad......so sad.
djalessandromagno 2 weeks ago
@djalessandromagno Indeed:fucking sad!Abraço.
kafkazinho 2 weeks ago
He sounds like a good LAWYER or POLITICIAN!
universalmoor 2 weeks ago
The stupid is so strong. By his level of thinking, then believing in something because it can not be 100% disproved, makes it true. Yes we dont know that there is not a heaven with the flying spaghetti moster, therefor you believe that there isnt one. What a childish, and idiotic statement. You are making the claim, you have to support it, choosing to disbelieve someones ridiculous idea in no way makes him a believer, it makes him have a rational and thoughtful brain.
icouldnotfindaname16 4 weeks ago
Come on you lot.
India has already officially appologised for producing this clown.
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Way to NOT answer the question. He resorts to all manner of sidestepping and hand waving to confuse the issue and avoid a question he knows he can't answer. D'Souza gets shredded in "The Christian Delusion". Excellent read.
88rat88 2 months ago
For fuck's sake, I'm just wishing Matt Dillahunty were the moderator. "Dinesh, this isn't an opportunity for you to preach, so skip the BS and get to the answer."
vau0807 2 months ago
Dinesh is a filthy manipulative lying cunt.
brama1969 2 months ago
LORD JESUS CHRIST THANK YOU!!!
LORDJESUSCHRISTCHILD 3 months ago
@LORDJESUSCHRISTCHILD Looked at your page, you are too obviously a fake Christian buffoon. Nice touch with the fucked up grammar and syntax though, it's just a tad too much.
Tip: register as a US citizen in stead of the UK and don't mention any colleges you attended.
GL with your trolling activities.
namnack 3 months ago
@namnack
Listen numbrack! I'm not hear to hoomer u.
Is a fake Christian buffoon worse than a real Christian buffoon?
What exactly did you see on that person's page that convinced you they were a "fake" Christian instead of a "real" Christian.
laxr5rs 2 months ago
@laxr5rs To hoomer - Asking asinine questions to which the answers couldn't possibly be more clear? or..clere..whichever spelling you prefer.
namnack 2 months ago
@Aliof hgoly hehe, welcome "aboard" *nudge-nudge* :P
eat666shit 3 months ago
@eat666shit
Tried to make sense of your comment but failed to grasp your reasoning and whose true god are you talking about!!!! Jews, Muslims, Christians or hundreds of others? They all believe their god is/was true. Consider yourself self beaten as long as you continue to adhere to some extraterrestrial none sense.
Aliof 3 months ago
@Aliof LOL!Of course you couldn't make sense,you lack knowledge of the FSM unlike the other 5 guys who gave thumbs up. The FSM,or flying spaghetti monster,is a spoof "religious" doctrine and favors pirates, so amputees are special,for the fsm wants them to have hooks and peg leg prosthetics like pirates did! Christianity or any religion has no explanation to the aforementoned question where ironically,the FSM "religion" gives an answer. Hope this clear things a bit,and yes, I'm an atheist.
eat666shit 3 months ago
lovely piece of crap, I really enjoyed the music :)
soth3d 3 months ago
Jesus healed the amputated ear of the soldier in the garden of jasemani
also jesus healed the eyes for a blind who was known to have no eyes since he was born. it is one step more difficult than an amputated eye
balamanti2 3 months ago
@balamanti2 lol, and Harry Potter flew around on a broom. Seen anyone fly around on a broom lately? No? Gosh.
namnack 3 months ago 3
@namnack
Hary Potter is your strawman
Jesus, has tremendous effect on human heart , in philosophical way that changed the world.
calm down, and take your pills.
Hary potter does not cause people to abandon their life to be missionaries,
Nor he inspires kings to lead the society to reforms.
Neither Hary potter, inspired geniuses to write music, painture, and sparkle the most intense intellectual debates.
my advice to you, kid...go back to your Video games
balamanti2 3 months ago
@balamanti2 I'm very sorry, but your intellectual capacity simply doesn't meet the requirements for a fruitful discussion on any level. I mean, if you don't even see that your 'arguments' would be equally valid for e.g. Buddha or any other, we can both agree on, non-existent god characters people worshipped in the past, what else is there to say but good-bye and good luck with remaining ignorant of your own stupidity.
And I couldn't care less if you think it isn't just that.
NEXT!
namnack 3 months ago
@namnack
actually your bigotry is the problem.
You are just another rabid Anti Christian moron
billytistrak 3 months ago
@billytistrak I'm sure that's what you are convinced of. Like I said, I can't be bothered with your lack of intelligence or any lame discourse that results from it. What would be my benefit? Too many buffoons out there already, theists and non-theists alike. This is not about anyone´s particular creed or lack thereof, it's about applying simple rules of logic, common sense and most of all: intellectual honesty.
Have a great day and stay as ignorant as possible. Suits you just fine I reckon.
namnack 3 months ago
@balamanti2
I think you need to stop listening to your preacher who has been spoon feeding you some stupid fairy tail. You also need to cure your mental disease, religious phobia, by visiting your nearest psychologist with good supply of psycho medication.
Those who wrote great music and created great paintings received their inspiration from their own ingenuity, Jesus the myth had nothing to do with it. Wake up and smell the coffee.
Aliof 3 months ago
@Aliof
you got to learn more about the sources of creativeness.
1st creativeness not does neccesary intersect with intelligence,
2nd mature creativeness comes from the soul which logs for the immaterial
hence atheists & naturalist has no point in creation
billytistrak 2 months ago
@billytistrak
"hence atheist & naturalist has no point in creation", what are you talking about? The guy commented that those who wrote great musics and those who created great paintings etc received their inspiration from religion and god. I said nonsense. I agree with your second point however, the first is highly debatable.
Aliof 2 months ago
@Aliof
the1st point is actually scientifically and statistically proven: creativeness and IQ are not directly proportional
IQ tests does not say anything about creative apptitude
billytistrak 2 months ago
Atheist and naturalist has no point to say "creative" or creation because to them is natural causes. So the drive - the spiritual drive and the long for immaterial soul, the soul of the art has nothing to do with any body with atheist mind set, hence atheism can be easily classified psychologically as a way to kill spirituality for lots of reasons; one atheism not not sublimate, there is no "super" consciousness, all is delusion to them hence any form of art is a form of delusions . FUCK IT
billytistrak 2 months ago
@billytistrak Atheism is a non descriptive label we use to point to the lack of belief in god(s) towards a person or groups of people. It has nothing to with art, delusions or souls nor can it be classified psychologically and it certainly is not a mindset. An atheist can believe in many things such as spirituality, UFO's, ESP or the afterlife. They simply don't believe any gods exist. Nothing more.
Get it?
namnack 2 months ago
@namnack
Moron
billytistrak 2 months ago
@billytistrak
You probably think that the term 'moron' is just some derogatory word you tell people they are. But let me assure you, there is a difference in degree of intellectually and intellectual honesty between people. Judging alone by the way you handle logical constructs in language, all bad grammar aside, I can already tell that You calling Me a moron, is bit of a stretch.
namnack 2 months ago
@namnack
Moron
billytistrak 2 months ago
@billytistrak You are extremely dense. Perplexing in a way.
namnack 2 months ago
RETARD ALERT! RETARD ALERT! DING DING DING DING DING
DivineLucifer666 3 months ago
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balamanti2 3 months ago
D'sousa is so full of shit and he knows it. He's a leech.
leffehoegaarden 3 months ago
@namnack
What on God's grey earth made you think that adding a musical soundtrack over the recorded portion of this video would improve it?
fylosofer 4 months ago
@fylosofer I'm so terribly sorry I caused you misgivings by doing that. What was I thinking? I'll go live out the rest of my days in the shed in the garden where I can hide my shame.
:S
namnack 4 months ago
i ll belive in miracle if some one start to grow limbe.some one is cure from spinabifeda, trisomie 16.18,or 21 i ll belive in miracle when some one is cure from dna delation in other word god has limitation to cure????it s limit is changing dna,the other thing like paralizis ,blindness depth and many more can be psychological induce by what ever trauma.even the cure of cancer see where i am going,
mystisme 4 months ago
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Beautiful example of a fundamentalist trained to block out questions and knowledge if it puts their faith to the test.
avdmeers 4 months ago
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avdmeers 4 months ago
People please, how ever you dress up Pascal Wager it's still None sense !!!
parsonman05 4 months ago
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In such a case you have no tools whatsoever, mister DSouza, to discern between "natural background noise" and "genuine miracles".
See the problem? If you want to appeal at least to some consistency and or operability, you need to be be able to demonstrate your case beyond the natural background noise. For example, if it was only the "Catholic prayer" that demonstrably worked, we would have to simply acknowledge that.
Can you do that, D? Bet you cant! :-)
Wrath0fKhan 4 months ago
Warning! Warning! Crackpottery alert!
1/2
"There is something that would not have happened if natural forces were left to their own devices but the supernatural intervention is simply to use natural means to bring about a result that wouldnt otherwise have occurred."
Wrath0fKhan 4 months ago
Warning! Warning! Crackpottery alert!
"Are you waiting for dead people to come back to life and testify in court?"
Yes, sir. And the Bible "proves" it! So why shouldnt we apply at least the same standards anymore? Because? Eh?
Wrath0fKhan 4 months ago
Why doesn't god heal amputees? My guess would be that the placebo-effect doesn't regrow lost limbs but it can have other effects on the human body.
mortensjoegren 4 months ago
D'Souza is almost certainly the most objectionable and inept apologist going 'round the debate circuit. He's a joke, and extremely annoying to listen to.
hadzhere 4 months ago 3
@hadzhere I have the same reaction to other apologists as well, who does a better job in your opinion?
namnack 3 months ago
@namnack Don't get me wrong I think they're all objectionable, but no other makes me feel physically sick like D'Souza does. As to who does a better job, certainly WLC, his arguments are much better and I can listen to him for a few minutes before I start mumbling under my breath about his inaccuracies.
hadzhere 3 months ago
what the hell is he going on about...
brazilfunk 4 months ago
That was epic Fail on D'souza's part. He would have been better off to just say "I don't know."
ozmoroid 4 months ago
wtf? why won't god heal amputees.... lecture on miracles.... again answer the question.... oh another lecture on miracles.... facepalming
alexporterfield 4 months ago
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For it is so.
A clown will commith, and his name will be D'souza.
And there was much laughter and gnashing teeth.
For he is a prick, who knoweth his oratory stank.
Maths, amen.
fatcat2939 4 months ago
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fatcat2939 4 months ago
Th-Th- That's all folks.
Go rationality. Its all we have. Or will have.
fatcat2939 4 months ago
I can not believe it is 2011 and we still have people like D'souza, who believe that storms are caused by cosmic jewish zombies.
adisa091 4 months ago 14
@adisa091 It is...flabbergasting, isn't it. I'll bet there's some money in it for him, wouldn't u think?
namnack 4 months ago 5
it is all summarized in one sentence: "they got the miracles, we only get the stories" howcome those stories are not convincing?
doyoublush 4 months ago
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I cannot understand why many xtians seem unable to simply say, "i dont know." Its a valid answer. Why is it so hard for them?
tapesquare 4 months ago
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Part 1
Denying the Consequent (valid)
If p, then Q.
Not Q.
Therefore, not P.
Mat 12:28. But IF I cast out devils by the Spirit of God (P), THEN the kingdom of God is come unto you. (Q)
Mat 21:43A The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, (Not Q)
THEREFORE, NOT P, I.E. CHRIST IS NOT CASTING OUT DEVILS BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD.
Your expectations may be illogical based on the Text.
Cont..
PrinceWalter 5 months ago
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Part 2
Mat 21:43B. and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (But R)
Psa 22:30. A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation. (R)
IF Psa 22:30 (R), THEN Psa 22:28 "the kingdom is the LORD'S: and He is the governor among the nations." (S)
Dan 9:25-26. "Messiah the Governor" is "cut off". (Not S)
THEREFORE, NOT R, I.E. THE SEED AND THE GENERATION HAVE NOT YET SERVED HIM.
Logically conclude that God should heal amputees...
PrinceWalter 5 months ago
@mrbignoise1 Go troll somewhere else please.
namnack 5 months ago
Man,I can't think of a bigger cunt than Dinesh and his phony Yank accent...
rubstrol 5 months ago
D'souza is a master tap dancer...
Hornadayfan 5 months ago
If your claim is that faith is some kind of ability which you can train then I would agree. The outcome wont be the healing of anything though, it will probably end up with you being scammed by someone preying on your tumorous gullibility and total lack of skeptical thinking skills.
And don't you think someone would have stood up by now claiming the billions he or she could make with such cultivated superpowers?
namnack 5 months ago
@namnack Any ability one might have must be developed in order that he has faith in it. It takes much discipline and perseverance, and humility. I don´t claim to be an example of such virtues. But I have received some minor healings. So, if it works, it works (at least, for me).
Thanks for your responses.
ruffomaldito 5 months ago
Faith requires time to grow. There are occasions for lessers proofs of one´s faith before one attempts the healing of an amputee. Some of Jesus´s disciples who were unable to heal a certain case were told: "oh faithless generation....if you had faith as small as a mustard seed..."
A 1st year science student would not be expected to formulate the trajectory of a spaceship to the moon or mars. It´ll take him a few more years.
ruffomaldito 5 months ago
@ruffomaldito
People like Dinesh who defend the position you are defending as well, get payed to do so. If that wasn't the case, the'd either be writers of books no one reads, standing on a street corner holding up a sign or just got a proper job.
They are not bothered with selling you this nonsense, it's probably all they think they can do. But you should be bothered. A lot.
namnack 5 months ago
@namnack I´m not bothered or worried at all whether or not Dinesh sells his books or gets paid for debating atheists. I find his arguments very well grounded and mighty interesting.
ruffomaldito 5 months ago
@ruffomaldito lol, good one :)
namnack 5 months ago
@namnack Thank you.....I´m glad you liked it!
ruffomaldito 5 months ago
@namnack Dinesh started with eating flat bread and curry in some God forsaken place , amongst his half naked half educated people and by his audacity he has crossed his 7 sea and 13 rivers, and lecturing the descendants of chimps and hollering on their demigods Hitchen at el.--------And you call him a stupid !!!!!!
------First see when your demigods hitchen /dawkins cross their 7 seas 13 rivers(not in backward direction) , and then call Dinesh a stupid .
mrbignoise1 5 months ago
@mrbignoise1 So whether or not someone is stupid in his claims is dependent on his and 2 random people's travel expenses. Cute theory. Sounds like something out of the Hitchhiker's Guide or a Monty Python routine. Just not quite as funny.
But keep working on it, just don't quit your day job just yet.
namnack 5 months ago 3
@namnack, Yes you are very correct. Descendants of chimps can appreciate only bananas and wild berries along with smoke and fire. Sense of consciousness and prayers are only for human beings.
mrbignoise1 5 months ago
And by the way , all fellows (hindus christians, or muslims ) pray for return of health. I have never heard they pray for growing of extra legs, extra hands, extra eyes. or something !!!
If that was possible , in that case it will very stupid of them , for not asking a full blown baby out of say hand or thigh as appendage.
mrbignoise1 5 months ago
@mrbignoise1 I find it hard to make out your point here. It seems you are taking the question literally when in fact it's used merely as an example question to show the stupidity behind the notion of prayer. And I don't see why you would applaud him for putting up a smoke screen.
namnack 5 months ago
Really I appreciate Dinesh.
Imagine some decades before , he was chewing flat bread in some God forsaken corner of the earth among some half educated half naked person. To day by dint of sheer audacity , he sitting in the front table in front of the white-man and telling them what they should do.
Can I ever imagine he will not have enemies there.
mrbignoise1 5 months ago
But any way I applaud Dinesh for his smoke screen of eloquence even though he was smartly dodging. I wonder how many in this blog spewing their idiocity can speak beyond their few incoherent inaudible stammering hiss hiss.
mrbignoise1 5 months ago
Dinesh become stupid , in a stupid situation created by very unthinking stupid person. This is a perfect example.
No part of body is grown excepting inside mothers' womb. All other places man do is artificial grafting. Man's body is not lizards tail .
Imagine this is possible. Then heart transplant or Kidney transplant are not required. In that case stupid person as the asker will always cheat and sometime he will grow his hands and the other time grow I don't know what , and never die
mrbignoise1 5 months ago
apart from completely dodging the amputee question, Dinesh also committed another fatal error.....asserting that belief is warranted in the absence of evidence. He claims that neither the believer nor the nonbeliever know but the believer is justified in believing anyway.
By this logic he should believe in EVERYTHING that has ever been claimed including bigfoot, pixies, klingons, orbitting teapots, invisible pink unicorns, dragons.....and every other god claim in history.
stiimuli 5 months ago
A complete use of rhetoric being utilized to OBVIOUSLY AVOID THE QUESTION.
freethinkers84 5 months ago
I gave this video a thumbs up. So people have the gift of talking, but unfortunately it rarely comes with the gift of getting to the point!
TheHonestTheist 5 months ago
someone shoot that STUPID CHRISTIAN FUCK!!!!!!!!
retro99ify 6 months ago
I would think thousands of years of failed prayer before the age of modern medicine would be enough to convince anyone that prayer is completely fucking useless. It's not a coincidence that medicine came along and life expectancy rose dramatically.
beeeefcurtains 6 months ago
what is this dillhole talking about? it's a good question. if someone recovers from cancer, they claim it's a miracle. but i've never seen a regrown arm.
playadominical 6 months ago
The reason is simple. People can ask god to heal whatever problems that can heal themselfes, without God. Therefore, asking God to heal an amputee is a prayer that wont be answered. They know this, therefore this is tabu.
The real question is why they know God wont heal amputees.
gulbirk 6 months ago
Why won't god heal amputees? The answer is simple: There is no god.
mikefromwa 6 months ago
You cannot heal an amputee. Unless they have an infected limb. You need to create a new limb or bring in the old limb for repair and attachment. Amputees cannot be healed there is nothing wrong with them. Creation of new limbs is not healing.God creating a new limb of flesh? is not His will. Flesh will not inherit the kingdom of God. God desires a Spirit Life not flesh Life. Why won't God heal an amputee because they are very well, thank you. Go tell an amputee he is sick see reaction.
polopowers1 7 months ago
@polopowers1 Jesus Christ, GROW UP!!
namnack 7 months ago
@polopowers1 Your a fucking moron
TheSelfishAltruist 6 months ago
Luke 22:50-51 It really breaks my heart tgat you have people who do not study our Fathers word and tgen get asked by the nay sayers and can't answer. So now the nay sayers are stuck and never arrive at the truth. Sealing their own fate. When all they had to do is believe and your question will be answered. Eventually you will know the truth and truth shall make you free. Free from the controllers devils of this world.
AaronCountee 7 months ago
Luke 22:50-51 Is an example of God healing an amputee. The body part was cut off. Jesus healed it immediately. It really sad that people debate who haven't studied the word. Blind leading the blind, both fall into the ditch. Then you can't get out because you get stuck and another lost soul..smh. So sad.
AaronCountee 7 months ago
@AaronCountee Grow up...
namnack 7 months ago 2
@namnack OR grow a limb.
noellennon 6 months ago
@noellennon I'm sure the believer in question would't mind us chopping off one one of his limbs first in order for him to qualify for this particular miracle to happen. :)
namnack 6 months ago
@AaronCountee In Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, Harry regrew his right arm after Professor Gilderoy Lockhart removed all the bones. So sad how people assume its impossible to regrow limbs. smh.
C1C0SS 7 months ago 3
@AaronCountee The bible also has examples of donkeys and snakes talking but I doubt that you will go out and try to carry on a conversation with them. Stuff written on scrolls thousands of years ago does not count as evidence. If it did, then you would have to give credit to Zeus ruling the skies, Poseidon ruling the seas, and Hades ruling the world of the dead. I assume you don't believe that, right? I suppose you'd have to study Greek mythology in depth before you say it's false as well, huh?
DryBones60 6 months ago
@AaronCountee We're gonna need more than a book that's only proof is itself. We see a science textbook, we believe it. Why? Because the book isn't the proof. The book is merely saying, "We see this today. If you want, you can see it, too."
The bible is a book that says, "I saw this and you can't. Believe it or burn."
Davin404 6 months ago 3
Jesus healed an amputee. Just before he was arrested. Smh
AaronCountee 7 months ago
WOW HE danced around that question like a stripper. but he couldn't answer the question.
SuperMrAtheist 7 months ago 3
D'Sousa is thinking out of his butt. What crap!!
mlcollins10 7 months ago
Its amazing that some people think its 50-50, like god either exists or doesnt and theres no evidence pointing either way. There is far more reason not to believe in magic, theres no leap of faith because non-believers dont commit themselves to anything, theres no path we MUST stick to.
mehico33 8 months ago
God, I hate political-type maneuvers like this.
Ledwix 8 months ago
He answered the question "allegorically!"
In other words, god doesn't heal amputees because of something akin to "their chariots were made of iron."
Xenophile665 8 months ago
Rejection of baseless assertions, such as claims that god(s) exist(s), does not require faith. Belief based on faith (i.e. belief without evidence and/or despite evidence to the contrary) is not equal to disbelief based on the fact that no evidence has been presented. To believe in a thing despite the fact that there is no evidence that it exists is irrational. To reject claims made without any supporting evidence is rational. It's so simple even a child should understand this.
YY4Me133 8 months ago
When I was a Christian I went to plenty of healing services & there were many examples of people being "healed" of headaches or a general sense of unease but every time someone went with a limb missing, guess what? No healing. Afterwards people would say things like "ah but he was spiritualy healed". What lies behind this question is surely this kind of nonsense where God heals vague ailments but not concrete ones. Mr D'Souza utterly fails to answer this question because he can't.
gextvedde 8 months ago 2
I ask this question all the time in my debates. No Christain can answer this. The one most typical response is "well, too obvious." The other responses are " well GOD chooses, or well the person should have prayed for the arm to be put back in place before it became completly useless."
metalbandsrule 9 months ago
ok im a Christian but even i can see that he does not answer the question.
yourface503 9 months ago 13
@yourface503 'even I" lol, you mean to say, on average, the Christian can't?
namnack 9 months ago 16
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I am not a person of faith but i understood what he said and he DID answer the question. He said "he doesn't know" but that he takes it on faith that there must be a reason for no intervention and he comes to terms with what happens, wheras the non-faith person comes to terms with it some other way. You misrepresented this namnack, he did answer the question, although it was an unfortunate answer.
BenJamesist 10 months ago
@BenJamesist If you were right, this video would be 15 seconds long and go like this:
Audience: "Amputees.. unambiguous..we don't ever hear about that"
Dinesh: "I don't know"
- The End-
not:
Audience: "Oh come on, answer the question!"
Dinesh with a squeaky voice: "I did..I did answer your question.."
Moderator: "Please people, remain in your seats, please...Dinesh, could you please quit dancing around and address this man's point.."
etc
namnack 10 months ago 4
@namnack
The fact that he danced around for six minutes trying to think of a good answer doesn't change the fact that at 3:15 he got to the crux and answered. If the audience don't get it contextually, or they can't pull the important from the rubbish, and gasp and say "oh come on answer the question" that says just as much about the audience as it does about the speaker.Dinesh is a useless theist, but anyone who can't listen because they are fishing for anothers fail are just as useless.
BenJamesist 9 months ago
@BenJamesist Dude, get a life...seriously.
namnack 9 months ago
@namnack
Right back at ya . . . lol :)
BenJamesist 9 months ago
God has a plan! Lol.
Christianity, dodging questions since its beginnings
QuestionAll1 10 months ago 4
Its not nearly is disgusting of a response as I suspected it would be. Just usual theist spouting dodgy bullshit when pressed into a corner.
RaggedM88 10 months ago
@RaggedM88 What´s disgusting is that he makes a living off of it and is respected for this by many.
namnack 10 months ago
Christians are self defeating.
anprapture 10 months ago 4
@anprapture yeah, it's hard to believe only a small fraction of this planet's inhabitants are willing and able to see it.
namnack 10 months ago
Wow. And to think Hitchens considers this guy his most formidable opponent. If this is as good as religious apologetics gets, it's time for religion to throw in the towel.
NavajoJoe66 10 months ago
@NavajoJoe66 I always wondered why Hitchens talked so highly of him myself.
namnack 10 months ago
@SpadeGrenadeKO So sick...vomitrociously so...
namnack 10 months ago
this question is misleading, because after an amputee's arm is severed, the wound heals with medical attention. the correct question is "why doesn't God grow a new one?" well just because there may not be any documentation, that doesn't prove it never happened.Mr. D'Souza fell for that one...oh well.
gavacho1972 10 months ago
@gavacho1972 The question is understood as such, there is no need for rephrasing. Furthermore, this question isn't about amputees and the regrowing of limbs, it's about the absence of verifiable claims in regards to the power of prayer. It's just one (popular) example out of many showing that these sorts of arguments for the existence of god(s) is nothing more than the god of the gaps fallacy.
namnack 10 months ago
d'Souza is a money sucking foreigner that moved to america to suck on a bigger tit. A POS.
PikPobedy 10 months ago
Ouch.
nummulite99 10 months ago
@SpadeGrenadeKO Ah, a true pervert when it comes to wicked sounds. I like that.
It was lifted from the Donnie Darko soundtrack. I believe it was called: Creepy.mp3
namnack 10 months ago
He is now qualified to be mayor of Wasilla.
andrewucla 10 months ago
I'm about to flag this video as inappropriate. I cannot understand why namnack doesn't warn fragile theist viewers against this bloody pwnage on ol' poor lil Dinesh. Dinesh's futile struggle was so awkward that it made me feel uncomfortable.
mysticgohan3000 10 months ago 3
Very dishonest this man is.
whyabadi 11 months ago
@whyabadi But he sells well!
namnack 11 months ago
@namnack which says more about his audience really. I don't think he is only dishonest, but what value does one's intellect and cleverness hold without honesty?
whyabadi 11 months ago
@whyabadi I'm not convinced either that he really doesn't realise what utter BS he is putting forth in defence of his version of reality. There is no value here.
namnack 11 months ago
Earlier I had to go to the hospital hoping that o would not need surgery. I said miracle prayers in the waiting room, praying for gods help. Then I went into the doctor and they had to amputate. I am questioning alot of things.
TupacMusicNow 11 months ago
Wow, that's a lot of talking for absolutely zero answers to the question.
MrMZaccone 11 months ago
nobody needs your intro or music.
stevenp2510 11 months ago
@stevenp2510 Then I guess you are nobody :D
namnack 11 months ago
Whta a jerk
macroman52 1 year ago
"OK.. ok... wait... what? how the hell does that answer the question?!?!?!?"
-Any rational person
Ye4hBuddy 1 year ago
Unbelievably STUPID response. This Dinesh guy is a pathological LIAR plain and simple.
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geratmathew 1 year ago
such a simple question that no christian can seem to answer. the best answer ive gotten is....."god doesnt want to" oh and..... "we all deserve death anyways"
B4mytyme 1 year ago
I always enjoy watching these xtians squirm when asked this amputee question and they never fail to entertain me in their dancing around the issue.
My other favorite is when we ask them if they would kill their child if god told them to.
DANCE DANCE DANCE
AtheistToothFairy 1 year ago
Well, they can't just come out and say that these miracles do in fact happen but that it's not within the realm of the scientific method to definitively determine the miracle status. If they did use this argument, you could just flip flop the question and ask them how they think they can determine the miracle status and tell them that ironically, they would then run into the same problem. So yeah, all that´s left is dancing, knowing full well that most people Will drink the Kool-Aid.
namnack 1 year ago
@namnack:"can't just come out and say that these miracles do in fact happen"
While the source would still be in question, at least it would be proven that something un-natural was going on and we should investigate further.
Not a problem though, for we all know that none of the gods we invented, will ever restore a limb w/o the help of a Doctor and some high-tech.
AtheistToothFairy 1 year ago
Dear @AtheistToothFairy. You taught me that small things amuse small minds.
Theologyontap 11 months ago
@Theologyontap
say WHAT?
AtheistToothFairy 11 months ago
He just blew this..why didnt he just say he doesnt know why God choses or doesnt chose to do this? Cause honestly, he doenst know; I dont know, and there isnt a single person who can honestly say they do.
MrTriplelogic 1 year ago
Religion is the cancer of the world.
sKIPper76M 1 year ago
The problem of evil is resolved by free will.
But in heaven we assume we have free will and that there is NO evil.
Do we have free will in heaven?
if yes:
Such a possible world where NO evil and free will can EXIST...
if not:
Then free will is NOT an adequate defense for evil.
-an atheist
skepticnyc 1 year ago
This is the one question that christians can NOT answer, they ALWAYS tip toe around it.
Just wait until SCIENCE can do it, then these idiot christians will claim gods intervention.
PsychoSymantic 1 year ago
@PsychoSymantic is TRUELY PSYCHO. Evil is not a thing. It is a lack of good. Tip toe.
Theologyontap 1 year ago
@Theologyontap Actually evil is a subjective idea, so is good.
PsychoSymantic 1 year ago
D'souza is a devious evasive retarded cunt.
grundgemonster 1 year ago
Perhaps genetics can allow amputated limbs to regrow. But they won't sanction or support the research because it is not God's plan.
Andrewlohbihler 1 year ago
@Andrewlohbihler They know it's god's plan for them to assume it's not god's plan? You can go several levels deeper with that one, it's like Inception, and just as overrated.
:)
namnack 1 year ago
@namnack What if God did heal an amputee will you believe?
1. Yes show me the proof bring all the doctors the scientists and let us test them if these claims is true
2. Well there is a natural explanation for that :)
3. How would you be so sure that God did it maybe aliens and chance might have did it
This 3 questions is asked above by every atheists that I knew so stop fooling yourself that you would believe at all :)
A nice question is where is the limits of science and your reasoning?
TheCreativemind40 1 year ago
@ TheNonCreativemind40
If we were to witness the restoration of a lost limb, it will probably be the result of centuries of painstaking research in a wide variety of scientific fields, not Harry Potter's magic, a pixie's incantation or your sky daddy's benevolence.
namnack 1 year ago
@Nonnamnack I told you so the three things enumerated here holds my last question to you is this if ever science in itself is invoking possibilities and not proofs maybe that will make you smile as an explanation coz if they could not understand anymore your science will go to lengths of even meteors healing it isnt it :)
TheCreativemind40 1 year ago
@TheNoMind40 Plastic cavities will sorrow and coz invoke science in the Bible. Stars and sons explode and densities in Darwins toilet will be responsible for massive proofs on the planet Vulcan. Don't you agree?
namnack 1 year ago
@nonentity that is right so God will never heal a limb for that kind of attitude :)
TheCreativemind40 1 year ago
@TheCreativemind40 Indeed, to heal a limb which doesn't exist sounds like the handy work of a non existent being. I hope he'll find the time to do something about your nonexistent brain as well.
namnack 1 year ago
@TheNonCreativemind40
Probabilities don't just change with what happens to be someone´s creed or the limits of someone's reasoning abilities. If you noticed a sugar cup filled to the brim when it was empty yesterday, do you assume it is likely that it was replenished by your god or by someone in your household?
A child could maybe be persuaded to think it was magic, and your way of reasoning considering the amputee is no different. You'd be lying to yourself if you claim there is a difference.
namnack 1 year ago
soooooooo....you have no answer, right
LaMaisondeCasaHouse 1 year ago
@LaMaisondeCasaHouse They don't, they never will, and they'll never admit it.
namnack 1 year ago
what a fuckin basterd this dsouza is?bloody retard
thescorpionking2020 1 year ago
D'souza is a man who thinks that torturous human sacrifice is beneficial for his imagined supernatural welfare. It would be best to ignore his waffling, however, his public position shouts for response.
This man's shameless behaviour is a stain on our society. But... nothing more than a stain, as becomes clear in this video..
His club of immoral sheep will not last...
studioROT 1 year ago
@studioROT
If only it were the real problem...
namnack 1 year ago