Every one should calm down considering Butler's theories. She merely argues for ironic verbal boasts for those who are oppressed. She's very fatalistic. She doesn't believe the oppressed can ever be treated equally or freed from the oppression. If you read Excitable Speech, Precarious Life, or Gender Trouble you'd be able to see that. She really argues for nothing. I highly recommend reading Professor of Parody by Martha Nussbaum for anyone who'd like to read further.
If I have to choose between listening to a "scientist" like Stephen Jay Gould who says that there are objective differences between the sexes or a literary critic (Butler) who says that sex is a social construct I am going to choose someone who actually studied the human body and pick the scientist...
Butlers background is literature. She studied a lot of post modernist literature and came up with the idea that everything is subjective. She goes way too far when she says "sex is a social construct".. I will agree that gender is constructed but to claim that biological difference are socially constructed is insane...
@OppressedAnarchist If you had read her books, for example Bodies that matter, you would see that she is not saying that there is no body as a materiality at all. Here`s what she is saying: "there are, minimally, sexually differentiated parts, activities, capacities, hormonal and chromosomal differences" (Bodies that matter (1993), p.10)
But in process of gaining cultural intelligibility, this materiality is fused with discourses, practices, norms that are not neutral at all.
@OppressedAnarchist I was under impression that in order to debunk ones view it is necessary to get acquainted with it in the first place. Instead you are posting something that i not being said and refuting it like it is Butler`s own position. She is not radical constructivist, nor essentialist on issues concerning sex and gender, but you are trying to position her as being a radical constructivist.
I agree with a lot of what Butler says; gender IS a societal construct. Then again, why is that a BAD thing? She never elaborates, merely insinuates the notion that societal constructs are inherently wrong.
Also, she blatantly encourages crossdressing (e.g., Gender Trouble, Imitation and Gender Insubordination... pretty much everything she's ever written) and I can't agree with that. Look at David Reimer, raised genderless and ending up a manic depressive who committed suicide. It doesn't work.
@DrownedBeliefs I think she's encouraging people to crossdress if they want. David Reimer was forced into a gender that didn't fit. There's a difference. Also, read "Undoing Gender."
@DrownedBeliefs I dont think that postmodern theorists are saying that societal constructs are bad per se. Bad is the fact that some states of affairs are constructed to work for hegemony (racial, masculin, scientific etc) and are presented as natural and thus good and worth to sustain. Culture itself is a construct and humans can not live without it, but we must be careful of discourses that are trying to subjugate individuals under their concept of truth.
You're begging the question. You're insinuating that anything that reinforces, or creates, a dominant ideology of what to attain within a culture is bad, but WHY must this be the case? What is genuinely bad about a hegemonic idea, of what is female and what is male, bad; in what way is it 'subjugatory'? WHY must we break it down, as Butler wishes?
@DrownedBeliefs. Haven`t you heard that some are saying that women are not that smart and designed to operate near the stove because it is "natural"? And in this case the "natural" is the hegemonic idea that is disguised as something that is and will always be and this idea is creation of man. As far there is equity and fairness there is no problems with hegemonic ideas. We can have the overwhelming idea that peace is good - no problem with such a social construct.
Not at all... The notion of what is 'natural' is vague at best, and untenable at worst. I don't know where you live, but most people are tolerant of sex and sexuality in the 21st century. What is 'hegemonic' reflects the dominant ideology - I think you'd REALLY struggle to find anyone who agreed with your example. Ergo, this not hegemonic, it is a strawman.
Wanting to tear down the norms implies they are somehow restrictive. I cannot see that they at all are.
@DrownedBeliefs Of course in 21th century the level of tolerance is much higher than it was but still world is not that shiny place that you imagine. I am from eastern Europe, ex Soviet block and here still it is dangerous to be, for example, homosexual because here the hegemonic idea that heterosexuality is "natural" prevails and gay people often are victims of hate crimes. You think that if something is not bothering me it does not exist - it is very provincial approach.
@DrownedBeliefs According to your view if i am not starving then i can not say that there is problems with poverty. Or in this case if i am not a subject of sexual and/or gender oppression than everything is cool in the world. Worlds does not end with USA or western Europe where these problems are really not a big issue but there are places where there are real problems that stems from these repressive hegemonic ideas.
You've pretty much proved my point there. You've said it yourself - these AREN'T problems in the 'Western' world. Doesn't this beg the question of WHY we are being told to disestablish the hegemony here, then, when we already have, dare I say, equality? You don't argue with those who agree with you; you don't bite the hand that feeds. She's directing her ideology at the wrong people, if indeed she believes as you say she does.
Nobody is saying you can't have an opinion on this stuff. We all do. Then again, how can one expect to change viewpoints among those with whom one agrees with? I think most people agree that third world subjugation of women is a bad thing, but we aren't the people who need a talking to about it. This leads me to believe, indeed, that Butler DOES have a problem with the Western hegemony, but, as mentioned, cannot identity what exactly that problem is, hence my dislike.
@DrownedBeliefs Type in translate.google.com this sentence "men are men and men should clean the house". You will see that Google will ask you "Did you mean man are man and WOMAN must clean the house"? It is funny but also means that there is discourse that still sustains this idea no matter in which area you are living.
Put simply, Google realises that 'men are men' is grammatically incorrect - men are MALE (adjectival form), not 'men' (nominalised form). If you instead write 'men are MALE and men should clean the house', it will not correct you. Why? It is grammatically correct. Simple.
There isn't any reflection of some secret patriarchy constructed into a bloody search engine. 'Men are men' does not make sense, it isn't going to be prevalent in a corpus search engine.
dis she say that she stopped going to school and was studying privately with a rabbie or she still going to school and had to study with a rabbie as well? just asking
If somebody like Judith Butler were asked: what is this? She would never say: this is a bottle of tea. She would say: If we accept the metaphysical notion of language identifying objects clearly and, then, taking all this into account, may we not risk the hypothesis that, in the conditions of our language game, this can be said to be a bottle of tea? Zizek!
She believes that gender is an imitation. For example, from the time we start to recognize things and people in our society, we can see that men are given an identity, so are women; therefore, it is not biological, it is socially construct. She took the example of Aretha Franklin in her song, "You make me feel like a woman" to explain how society gives you an identity. You should read " Imitation and Gender Insubordination". She is absolutely gifted; and I think she writes beautifully .
I don't think she says gender is undefined and and androgynous. Gender functions because it is cleary materially diferentiated. In an absolute semantic sense gender probably is indefinite so gender would probably more correctly said to be a question of pragmatics. The question of gender is the question of how an individual socially enacts their biological sex. This can happen in many ways, but the form of the enactment is not essential.
It wouldn't wash if they were a camp gay. But the radical New Left and their ilk allowed and funded these kinds of stupid, self-serving, agenda promoting intellectual forays and permited students to be indoctrinate with these kinds of subjects. I can see a very intelligent woman in Butler and a genuine, keen intellect wasted on anti-scientific, anti-academic subjects. I wish more step out of their gendercentric confines and broach proper, credible subjects. They do have the talent.
THEY are the outliers in that they seem completely immune from any natural biological, hormonal or neurological influence more characteristic of their sex which often lends the sexes their natural proclivities, yet they do recognize that and claim it hold true for the whole. Those proclivities are proven. Although genes and biological make up aren't completely set in stone and social conditions and other factors etc can play a large part in activating (or not) those biological tendencies.
''Judith Butler looks like a man because from the social perspective from which you are interpreting her appearance, this is what a man is presumed to look like''
Here's where you depart from logic, and become silly. She looks like a man in the biological sense. It's to go into pseudo-science and uneccesary intellectual overkill to say the above and where gender feminists become absurd, and clearly positing only the dyke agenda as if it's the same that every women naturally lacks femininity.
@Underground906 the possbility of femininity is a necessary component of their argument. They don't say that it isn't possible only that it isn't essential.
@Underground906@Underground906 The gender feminist position isn´t necessarily trying to enforce the idea that biological women cannot be feminine in the manner understood in some parts of society, but they are saying that it isn't a necessary condion of being biologically female that you have to possess this attribute of femininity. When you say that they are "clearly positing the dyke agenda as it it's the same(sic) that every woman naturally lacks femininity" you seem to say that the denial
@qualquerbobagem There's more to her critique than pointing out that apparent fact that was made clear before her by the feminist movement that gender roles aren't as binary and confined to one sex as previously thought. Not everyone can match up to the the Greek god ideal or the femme sex siren. She tries to deconstruct these ideas as if all gender is really the same adrogynous, undefinable experience she and those further from the feminine norm experience it. It's nonsense after a point.
exactly why the distinction between biological sex and gender is made. In which case the arrogance falls on the side of the person believing a necessary reciprocal process to persist between the two positions.
The sans-culottes were the radicals of the French Revolution. They were urban workers who wore pants (pantalons) as opposed to the middle-class, the gentry, and the aristocracy, who wore fancy silk knee-breeches called culottes. Thus: sans-culottes, or without culottes. To be part of the sans-culottes was to be poor and struggling and--as mentioned above--radical. In the documentary, Butler jokes that the Berkeley group represents the new sans-culottes, but that they aren't revolutionary.
@denisemacd it was also a reference to "sansculottes", who were some kind of revolutionaries in France. I don't know what exactly they were or why they were called that. I do know this, though.
BECAUSE woman's work is never done; is underpaid or unpaid or boring and we're the first to get fired & what we look like is more important than what we do
and if we get beaten or raped it's our fault we must have provoked it
and if we love women it's because we can't get a "real" man
and if we don't want a pregnancy we're made to feel guilty
and if we stand up for our rights we're aggressive and "unfeminine"
Chances are that the people trying to argue with her on here couldn't understand a word of Gender Trouble.
She's a fucking genius. Gender Trouble alone refutes every single argument you people have proposed in the first chapter.
“Gender is the repeated stylization of the body, a set of repeated acts within a highly rigid regulatory frame that congeal over time to produce the appearance of substance, of a natural sort of being.” (From Gender Trouble)
@DecoratedEmergencyX I have read Gender Trouble, and it was a long way off being the most challenging text I have examined, let me tell you. While I find her arguments though provoking and interesting, I'm afraid that for me they lack substance and are in a way clutching at straws. People should be wary of taking her every word to be fact- she is a philosopher, not a scientist. I only use philosophers' works as a lens through which to temporarily view the world, and accept or reject as i see fit
@DecoratedEmergencyX "Gender is the repeated stylization of the body..." What meaningless abstraction. So it is only an empty shell--a style, an act, an "appearance of substance." I hate this coy, evasive language of poststructuralists like Butler. Why do they even bother calling anything "this" or "that" when they would render it meaningless anyway. Everything is one big blob; the only thing real for them are power relations. Skeptics and paranoids like their pied piper, Foucault.
@vladxtheximpaler I don't see anything coy, evasive or meaningless in what you quoted. Do you think "repeated stylization of the body" is meaningless to a woman who puts on makeup day after day after day?
@jxhensley Yep. it's an unnecessary abstraction that only serves to make poseurs in the humanities like Butler sound smart. I don't see how this theoretical distancing explains to a woman why she wants to put on make-up everyday. (Theory as therapy?) She probably just thinks it makes her look hot. In any case, for a sociocultural consideration of cosmetics, I would rather defer to anthropologists who actually do field work, not some snake oil hawker like Butler.
@jxhensley ;-) First, I would not put Butler on the same page as Newton. Second, theory as it is insidiously bandied around in lit-crit circles is not the same as theory in the physical sciences.
I agree. No wonder how feminists look like guys. They just reject their own masculinity and desire for power, and use projection because the truth hurts them too much. They are weeping because they can't compete with their looks or physicality. They never speak anything about love and hate or anything qualitative in nature. All they care is about statistics and how their pain would be erased every structure in society would have as many female as they are men. Truth = they still would never be s
@pigley17 you should really read her books before you try to argue with her. she accounts for all of you supposed contradictions regarding the female body... butler has also never proposed her own looks as proof of her theories.
I don't get what she's talking about from 7:13. Yes, I understand the words, but she seems so uncertain to convey her thoughts. "I adore my pants?" what? And why is she forcing French if she can't find the suitable words? This whole gender stuff, "choosing your gender" idea seems like an outdated fashion. It may have seemed interesting back in the 60s, 70s, but I doubt it has validity now.
her notion of the unfixed, unbounded and fluid nature of gender/sexuality can be countered by a ten year old. how does she explain for the maternal female body- sculpted to reproduce and rear children within a heterosexual framework. or desire for the opposite sex. is that a social construct too? and her looking like a man doesn't prove anything.
Butler will differentiate biological sex and gender. Gender is that which falls on the side of social construction. Biological sex is that which will fall on the side of organic evolution. The two are not reducible. Gender is a thing which will become significant in a given social context. Biological sex is a thing which has no necessary significant value. The organic ability an organism possesses to reproduce does not make the event of reproduction its necessary destiny.
@pigley17 Judith Butler looks like a man because from the social perspective from which you are interpreting her appearance, this is what a man is presumed to look like. Actually if we were to observe the apparent existince of gender empirically we would probably find that it exists much more in the manner of a contimuum or spectrum than in the dialectically opposed manner that you presume. This opposition is simply your own presumption and says nothing about the thing itself.
@pigley17 as for desire for the opposite sex have you ever heard of homosexuality, but then without the presumption of the essential character of binary gender then the distinction of homosexuality and heterosexuality which relies on the presumption of binary gender will itself become a senseless distinction.
@qualquerbobagem The female form is 'designed' to give birth and rear children within what can only be a heterosexual framework, you cannot deny it that essential facet- this has nothing to do with society placing meaning on the body. There does exist 'real' formations that are beyond 'power relations'. You should not be so arrogant as to separate the human race from the rest of the animal kingdom. While I do accept social constructionism, butler has gone too far.
Why not to face them existential horror and let them Playing. And sexual reproduction to be find as an option for fun play (and symbolism making to be considered as a 1 from 8 types of charachter of Player (Brown))
Although I do not agree with everything Butler says she isn't just a great feminist but also a great person when it comes to transgender rights, and for fighting for androgyne people whom are a mixture of both male and female traits...like me :)
@DecoratedEmergencyX It must make you feel entirely important telling others that they're stupid over the Internet. I'd be willing to bet quite a large sum that you wouldn't dare say that to my face.
@patrick112590 No, I probably would. I call plenty of people stupid to their faces. It's nothing personal, really; it's not your fault you can't understand Butler's complexities. Or, well, maybe it is.
Regardless, I wouldn't EXPECT most people to be able to understand such complex theory. :)
@DecoratedEmergencyX I used to be as angry as you are, too. You remind me of how unattractive I was then, calling people stupid on YouTube just because I disagreed with them.
Thank heavens I've changed since then, and I hope you do too.
@DecoratedEmergencyX: Judith Butler is only "complex" in that she spews a bunch of subjective post-modernist literary garbage that earned her "worst writer"award among certain academics. Google it this is a fact.
Literary Critics should stick to literature... There is a reason Butler mostly appeals to English and Feminist Majors and is disregarded by more serious disciplines like the majority of biologists and anthropologists...
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Yes, she is yew and lesbian an this is the reason why she is what she is and has no clear identity as a woman at all using 'Gender' for constructing her identity.
ahaah! i'd love to hear your justification for that opinion is, but unfortunately your comment will be gone next time someone with half a brain cell reads it.
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I just think with my gut and I get it.
GOD MAY BLESS THESE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and its righteous leader John McCain! The election was stolen by Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert who were the first to announce Florida goes to Obama, the other stations then had to follow suit.
I am much amazed when I search great Feminist like Butler and many others, it will never make it to 5 stars.( Cixous does have a five, but mainly people are commenting how beautiful she is).
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@tbuechele: Nay! It is not. Karl Marx (the simple) was firstly a protestant (of Jewish ancestry) and himself highly anti-Semite, just read what he writes about the Jews and I would not count him as a philosopher but as a political agitator. While those dimwits from Frankfurt were of course mere tomfools and not philosophers at all. I wonder why Brecht was denied entrance to Western Germany but why these Marxist wimps were tolerated there and this during the cold war! Poor Germany.
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This disgrace to philosophy wonders if or if not German idealism did cause the rise of national-socialism? Well, while I ask myself if the rise of her stupidity was enormous deliberated or just a birth-defected! Lets face it: Most peoples, like the Jews do not produce hardly any philosophers at all, or does anyone know another Jewish philosopher than good old Spinoza? While others, like the Germans or Greeks produce them in dozens at some certain times; but see someone to try is awful!
Well...a few Jewish philosophers besides Spinoza do in fact come to mind: Isaiah Berlin, Leo Strauss, Lévi-Strauss, Moses Mendelssohn, Husserl, Martin Buber, Mortimer Adler, Allan Bloom, Irving Kristol, Karl Popper, Milton Friedman, Philo Judaeus...and, of course, Wittgenstein & Maimonides.
So, even though this hack Butler isn't a philosopher, that doesn't mean that my people doesn't produce them.
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@Aeschylus: Poper would maybe a point if you consider the Jews as an ethnic group but as they are a magical nation I will reject all offspring of converts to other religions; all the mentioned are mere political and cultural novelist! Except for Friedman who is just a base and greedy grocer! Philosophers are still not very common among the Jews but they have their prophets like Carlton Heston to lead them according to Jehovah's command out of Egypt and though the Red Sea and things like that...
That is incredible antisemitic and ignorant. How about the Frankfurt school and a little know man named KARL MARX! Butler is a wonderful and important philosopher who has had an incredible strong impact on the world.
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@Doopex: Is there such a thing? Normally the Jews form a magical nation: Meaning the church is equal to the nation, without any racial or ethnic component (according to Oswald Spengler, a true philosopher). And Marx was first an anti-Semite himself (terms like finance-Jew are common among him) and a protestant, not a Jew though of Jewish ancestry and most importantly: Not a philosopher at all but a mere economy preacher and the Frankfurt tomfools are a disgrace both to humanity and philosophy!
What an awful, self-indulgent pseudo-intellectual. "I was only fourteen; aren't you impressed? ...Some people don't want to wear a dress--stunning, isn't it? ...Hey everybody, I'm a philosopher!"
Ugh! Glad this crap is finally starting to trickle away from the Academy and back down into the sewer.
I had a similar reaction. I also thought it was funny that the "terrible things" Butler claims to have done as a "problem child" were speaking back to teachers and skipping class. If that's what it takes to be problem child, then half the people I know are delinquents.
unless you guys have actually read butler's work you're not in the place to be commenting on her intellectual prowess. butler's ideas have completely altered the field of sociology and queer studies.
@TheSunmanho criticise people for what they do. not because they are "jewish" or whatever. try criticising people for their actions independent of some identity being the cause of it. then you might be being constructive and people wouldn't just think you were an anti semite.
@TheSunmanho so is albert einstein a typical jewish fraud? milton friedman? baruch spinoza? john von neumann? woody allen? quit making steoreotypes, regardless of race culture or religion, there will always be geniuses and frauds
@TheSunmanho She talks things that are senseless to brainless sorry racists like you. Why stay on this channel and dont you go watch football or something?
Most of the great philosophical questions appear stupid, plain, straightforward, obvious, almost as if not worth asking. If your opinion is that Butler is not worthy of consideration because you don't find what she wishes to address "stunning" perhaps you need to consider that when you call her the pseudo-intellectual, you are a pot calling the kettle black.
@Aeschylus: You have just become my personal hero of the day! As a reward you may lay aside your gloomy tragedies and enjoy the Clouds of Aristophanes, where even the king of philosophers Socrates is mocked:
St.: Socrates! My little Socrates!
So.: Why callest thou me, thou creature of a day?
St.: First tell me, I beseech you, what are you doing.
So.: I am walking in the air, and speculating about the sun.
If there were more people like you rotten tomatoes would be thrown at her all day!
Every one should calm down considering Butler's theories. She merely argues for ironic verbal boasts for those who are oppressed. She's very fatalistic. She doesn't believe the oppressed can ever be treated equally or freed from the oppression. If you read Excitable Speech, Precarious Life, or Gender Trouble you'd be able to see that. She really argues for nothing. I highly recommend reading Professor of Parody by Martha Nussbaum for anyone who'd like to read further.
watermark89 1 month ago
such a sad, poor woman...
HeinrichWittenwiler 2 months ago
If I have to choose between listening to a "scientist" like Stephen Jay Gould who says that there are objective differences between the sexes or a literary critic (Butler) who says that sex is a social construct I am going to choose someone who actually studied the human body and pick the scientist...
OppressedAnarchist 4 months ago
@OppressedAnarchist I find it interesting that you dismiss Butler completely yet you keep coming back to leave comments on this page. Hmmm.
dudecosta 4 months ago
@OppressedAnarchist Evolutionary psychology cannot be dismissed by 'theorizing' queers in the long run.
S2Cents 3 months ago
Butlers background is literature. She studied a lot of post modernist literature and came up with the idea that everything is subjective. She goes way too far when she says "sex is a social construct".. I will agree that gender is constructed but to claim that biological difference are socially constructed is insane...
She needs to take a biology class !!!!
OppressedAnarchist 4 months ago 2
@OppressedAnarchist If you had read her books, for example Bodies that matter, you would see that she is not saying that there is no body as a materiality at all. Here`s what she is saying: "there are, minimally, sexually differentiated parts, activities, capacities, hormonal and chromosomal differences" (Bodies that matter (1993), p.10)
But in process of gaining cultural intelligibility, this materiality is fused with discourses, practices, norms that are not neutral at all.
cikuuzis 1 week ago
@OppressedAnarchist I was under impression that in order to debunk ones view it is necessary to get acquainted with it in the first place. Instead you are posting something that i not being said and refuting it like it is Butler`s own position. She is not radical constructivist, nor essentialist on issues concerning sex and gender, but you are trying to position her as being a radical constructivist.
cikuuzis 1 week ago
I agree with a lot of what Butler says; gender IS a societal construct. Then again, why is that a BAD thing? She never elaborates, merely insinuates the notion that societal constructs are inherently wrong.
Also, she blatantly encourages crossdressing (e.g., Gender Trouble, Imitation and Gender Insubordination... pretty much everything she's ever written) and I can't agree with that. Look at David Reimer, raised genderless and ending up a manic depressive who committed suicide. It doesn't work.
DrownedBeliefs 4 months ago
@DrownedBeliefs I think she's encouraging people to crossdress if they want. David Reimer was forced into a gender that didn't fit. There's a difference. Also, read "Undoing Gender."
haydensane 3 months ago
@DrownedBeliefs I dont think that postmodern theorists are saying that societal constructs are bad per se. Bad is the fact that some states of affairs are constructed to work for hegemony (racial, masculin, scientific etc) and are presented as natural and thus good and worth to sustain. Culture itself is a construct and humans can not live without it, but we must be careful of discourses that are trying to subjugate individuals under their concept of truth.
cikuuzis 1 week ago
@cikuuzis
You're begging the question. You're insinuating that anything that reinforces, or creates, a dominant ideology of what to attain within a culture is bad, but WHY must this be the case? What is genuinely bad about a hegemonic idea, of what is female and what is male, bad; in what way is it 'subjugatory'? WHY must we break it down, as Butler wishes?
DrownedBeliefs 1 week ago
@DrownedBeliefs. Haven`t you heard that some are saying that women are not that smart and designed to operate near the stove because it is "natural"? And in this case the "natural" is the hegemonic idea that is disguised as something that is and will always be and this idea is creation of man. As far there is equity and fairness there is no problems with hegemonic ideas. We can have the overwhelming idea that peace is good - no problem with such a social construct.
cikuuzis 1 week ago
@cikuuzis
Not at all... The notion of what is 'natural' is vague at best, and untenable at worst. I don't know where you live, but most people are tolerant of sex and sexuality in the 21st century. What is 'hegemonic' reflects the dominant ideology - I think you'd REALLY struggle to find anyone who agreed with your example. Ergo, this not hegemonic, it is a strawman.
Wanting to tear down the norms implies they are somehow restrictive. I cannot see that they at all are.
DrownedBeliefs 1 week ago
@DrownedBeliefs Of course in 21th century the level of tolerance is much higher than it was but still world is not that shiny place that you imagine. I am from eastern Europe, ex Soviet block and here still it is dangerous to be, for example, homosexual because here the hegemonic idea that heterosexuality is "natural" prevails and gay people often are victims of hate crimes. You think that if something is not bothering me it does not exist - it is very provincial approach.
cikuuzis 1 week ago
@DrownedBeliefs According to your view if i am not starving then i can not say that there is problems with poverty. Or in this case if i am not a subject of sexual and/or gender oppression than everything is cool in the world. Worlds does not end with USA or western Europe where these problems are really not a big issue but there are places where there are real problems that stems from these repressive hegemonic ideas.
cikuuzis 1 week ago
@cikuuzis
You've pretty much proved my point there. You've said it yourself - these AREN'T problems in the 'Western' world. Doesn't this beg the question of WHY we are being told to disestablish the hegemony here, then, when we already have, dare I say, equality? You don't argue with those who agree with you; you don't bite the hand that feeds. She's directing her ideology at the wrong people, if indeed she believes as you say she does.
DrownedBeliefs 6 days ago
@cikuuzis
Nobody is saying you can't have an opinion on this stuff. We all do. Then again, how can one expect to change viewpoints among those with whom one agrees with? I think most people agree that third world subjugation of women is a bad thing, but we aren't the people who need a talking to about it. This leads me to believe, indeed, that Butler DOES have a problem with the Western hegemony, but, as mentioned, cannot identity what exactly that problem is, hence my dislike.
DrownedBeliefs 6 days ago
@DrownedBeliefs Type in translate.google.com this sentence "men are men and men should clean the house". You will see that Google will ask you "Did you mean man are man and WOMAN must clean the house"? It is funny but also means that there is discourse that still sustains this idea no matter in which area you are living.
cikuuzis 4 days ago
@cikuuzis
Put simply, Google realises that 'men are men' is grammatically incorrect - men are MALE (adjectival form), not 'men' (nominalised form). If you instead write 'men are MALE and men should clean the house', it will not correct you. Why? It is grammatically correct. Simple.
There isn't any reflection of some secret patriarchy constructed into a bloody search engine. 'Men are men' does not make sense, it isn't going to be prevalent in a corpus search engine.
DrownedBeliefs 4 days ago
im so glad i learned french. :)
kodyqc 6 months ago in playlist Judith Butler
dis she say that she stopped going to school and was studying privately with a rabbie or she still going to school and had to study with a rabbie as well? just asking
aniamourinho 7 months ago
@aniamourinho apparently she was still going to the jewish school and had to study with a rabbi as well
cicicitron 4 months ago
a problem child? xo
zaynzaynzayn 7 months ago
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If somebody like Judith Butler were asked: what is this? She would never say: this is a bottle of tea. She would say: If we accept the metaphysical notion of language identifying objects clearly and, then, taking all this into account, may we not risk the hypothesis that, in the conditions of our language game, this can be said to be a bottle of tea? Zizek!
stephenblackman2003a 8 months ago
She believes that gender is an imitation. For example, from the time we start to recognize things and people in our society, we can see that men are given an identity, so are women; therefore, it is not biological, it is socially construct. She took the example of Aretha Franklin in her song, "You make me feel like a woman" to explain how society gives you an identity. You should read " Imitation and Gender Insubordination". She is absolutely gifted; and I think she writes beautifully .
mbara33 8 months ago
Where can I find this with proper subtitles?
unluckyinlove 8 months ago
I don't think she says gender is undefined and and androgynous. Gender functions because it is cleary materially diferentiated. In an absolute semantic sense gender probably is indefinite so gender would probably more correctly said to be a question of pragmatics. The question of gender is the question of how an individual socially enacts their biological sex. This can happen in many ways, but the form of the enactment is not essential.
qualquerbobagem 8 months ago
It wouldn't wash if they were a camp gay. But the radical New Left and their ilk allowed and funded these kinds of stupid, self-serving, agenda promoting intellectual forays and permited students to be indoctrinate with these kinds of subjects. I can see a very intelligent woman in Butler and a genuine, keen intellect wasted on anti-scientific, anti-academic subjects. I wish more step out of their gendercentric confines and broach proper, credible subjects. They do have the talent.
Underground906 8 months ago
THEY are the outliers in that they seem completely immune from any natural biological, hormonal or neurological influence more characteristic of their sex which often lends the sexes their natural proclivities, yet they do recognize that and claim it hold true for the whole. Those proclivities are proven. Although genes and biological make up aren't completely set in stone and social conditions and other factors etc can play a large part in activating (or not) those biological tendencies.
Underground906 8 months ago
''Judith Butler looks like a man because from the social perspective from which you are interpreting her appearance, this is what a man is presumed to look like''
Here's where you depart from logic, and become silly. She looks like a man in the biological sense. It's to go into pseudo-science and uneccesary intellectual overkill to say the above and where gender feminists become absurd, and clearly positing only the dyke agenda as if it's the same that every women naturally lacks femininity.
Underground906 8 months ago 2
@Underground906 the possbility of femininity is a necessary component of their argument. They don't say that it isn't possible only that it isn't essential.
qualquerbobagem 8 months ago
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qualquerbobagem 8 months ago
@Underground906 @Underground906 The gender feminist position isn´t necessarily trying to enforce the idea that biological women cannot be feminine in the manner understood in some parts of society, but they are saying that it isn't a necessary condion of being biologically female that you have to possess this attribute of femininity. When you say that they are "clearly positing the dyke agenda as it it's the same(sic) that every woman naturally lacks femininity" you seem to say that the denial
qualquerbobagem 8 months ago
@qualquerbobagem There's more to her critique than pointing out that apparent fact that was made clear before her by the feminist movement that gender roles aren't as binary and confined to one sex as previously thought. Not everyone can match up to the the Greek god ideal or the femme sex siren. She tries to deconstruct these ideas as if all gender is really the same adrogynous, undefinable experience she and those further from the feminine norm experience it. It's nonsense after a point.
Underground906 8 months ago
exactly why the distinction between biological sex and gender is made. In which case the arrogance falls on the side of the person believing a necessary reciprocal process to persist between the two positions.
qualquerbobagem 8 months ago
The sans-culottes were the radicals of the French Revolution. They were urban workers who wore pants (pantalons) as opposed to the middle-class, the gentry, and the aristocracy, who wore fancy silk knee-breeches called culottes. Thus: sans-culottes, or without culottes. To be part of the sans-culottes was to be poor and struggling and--as mentioned above--radical. In the documentary, Butler jokes that the Berkeley group represents the new sans-culottes, but that they aren't revolutionary.
jude0609 9 months ago
She said something like "This is the madness (or foolishness) of Berkeley. And there's nothing revolutionary about what they're doing."
denisemacd 10 months ago
@denisemacd it was also a reference to "sansculottes", who were some kind of revolutionaries in France. I don't know what exactly they were or why they were called that. I do know this, though.
YukiNekoPrincess 9 months ago
okay, someone please translate what she said in French after the girl did "no pants day".
Ramanujan88 10 months ago
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@Ramanujan88 She said something like "This is the madness (or foolishness) of Berkeley. And there's nothing revolutionary about what they're doing."
denisemacd 10 months ago
BECAUSE woman's work is never done; is underpaid or unpaid or boring and we're the first to get fired & what we look like is more important than what we do
and if we get beaten or raped it's our fault we must have provoked it
and if we love women it's because we can't get a "real" man
and if we don't want a pregnancy we're made to feel guilty
and if we stand up for our rights we're aggressive and "unfeminine"
and if we don't we're typical weak females
and for many more reasons WE ARE FEMINISTS!
Ilkamy 10 months ago 16
@DevoidOfFeelings Haha. Just shows how much street cred these academic feminists have.
vladxtheximpaler 11 months ago
What is the "official" name of this video?
kitzia2 11 months ago
THANKS A LOT for the vodeo uploads about the great feminist activist... and important theoretician, international.
"...I would rather die than wear a dress. Some of them were men - some were women..." :))) hahahaaaaa... thumb up!
LesMarvelous 11 months ago
Judith Butler is responsible for the destruction of millions of families, she works for the world´s elites to break our minds.
Aco1890 1 year ago
Chances are that the people trying to argue with her on here couldn't understand a word of Gender Trouble.
She's a fucking genius. Gender Trouble alone refutes every single argument you people have proposed in the first chapter.
“Gender is the repeated stylization of the body, a set of repeated acts within a highly rigid regulatory frame that congeal over time to produce the appearance of substance, of a natural sort of being.” (From Gender Trouble)
DecoratedEmergencyX 1 year ago
@DecoratedEmergencyX I have read Gender Trouble, and it was a long way off being the most challenging text I have examined, let me tell you. While I find her arguments though provoking and interesting, I'm afraid that for me they lack substance and are in a way clutching at straws. People should be wary of taking her every word to be fact- she is a philosopher, not a scientist. I only use philosophers' works as a lens through which to temporarily view the world, and accept or reject as i see fit
pigley17 1 year ago
@DecoratedEmergencyX "Gender is the repeated stylization of the body..." What meaningless abstraction. So it is only an empty shell--a style, an act, an "appearance of substance." I hate this coy, evasive language of poststructuralists like Butler. Why do they even bother calling anything "this" or "that" when they would render it meaningless anyway. Everything is one big blob; the only thing real for them are power relations. Skeptics and paranoids like their pied piper, Foucault.
vladxtheximpaler 1 year ago
@vladxtheximpaler Nail on the head, good sir.
666DESTRUCTOR666 11 months ago
@vladxtheximpaler I don't see anything coy, evasive or meaningless in what you quoted. Do you think "repeated stylization of the body" is meaningless to a woman who puts on makeup day after day after day?
jxhensley 11 months ago
@jxhensley Yep. it's an unnecessary abstraction that only serves to make poseurs in the humanities like Butler sound smart. I don't see how this theoretical distancing explains to a woman why she wants to put on make-up everyday. (Theory as therapy?) She probably just thinks it makes her look hot. In any case, for a sociocultural consideration of cosmetics, I would rather defer to anthropologists who actually do field work, not some snake oil hawker like Butler.
vladxtheximpaler 11 months ago
@vladxtheximpaler Well, that's great. If people listened to you they never would have figured out gravity either.
jxhensley 11 months ago
@jxhensley ;-) First, I would not put Butler on the same page as Newton. Second, theory as it is insidiously bandied around in lit-crit circles is not the same as theory in the physical sciences.
vladxtheximpaler 11 months ago
I agree. No wonder how feminists look like guys. They just reject their own masculinity and desire for power, and use projection because the truth hurts them too much. They are weeping because they can't compete with their looks or physicality. They never speak anything about love and hate or anything qualitative in nature. All they care is about statistics and how their pain would be erased every structure in society would have as many female as they are men. Truth = they still would never be s
apxeli 4 months ago
@pigley17 you should really read her books before you try to argue with her. she accounts for all of you supposed contradictions regarding the female body... butler has also never proposed her own looks as proof of her theories.
rjohnson8692 1 year ago 4
Anything goes! This lumberjacks is a bullshiter.
MisterHerr 1 year ago
I don't get what she's talking about from 7:13. Yes, I understand the words, but she seems so uncertain to convey her thoughts. "I adore my pants?" what? And why is she forcing French if she can't find the suitable words? This whole gender stuff, "choosing your gender" idea seems like an outdated fashion. It may have seemed interesting back in the 60s, 70s, but I doubt it has validity now.
robhighnam 1 year ago
her notion of the unfixed, unbounded and fluid nature of gender/sexuality can be countered by a ten year old. how does she explain for the maternal female body- sculpted to reproduce and rear children within a heterosexual framework. or desire for the opposite sex. is that a social construct too? and her looking like a man doesn't prove anything.
pigley17 1 year ago
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Butler will differentiate biological sex and gender. Gender is that which falls on the side of social construction. Biological sex is that which will fall on the side of organic evolution. The two are not reducible. Gender is a thing which will become significant in a given social context. Biological sex is a thing which has no necessary significant value. The organic ability an organism possesses to reproduce does not make the event of reproduction its necessary destiny.
qualquerbobagem 9 months ago
@pigley17 Judith Butler looks like a man because from the social perspective from which you are interpreting her appearance, this is what a man is presumed to look like. Actually if we were to observe the apparent existince of gender empirically we would probably find that it exists much more in the manner of a contimuum or spectrum than in the dialectically opposed manner that you presume. This opposition is simply your own presumption and says nothing about the thing itself.
qualquerbobagem 9 months ago
@pigley17 as for desire for the opposite sex have you ever heard of homosexuality, but then without the presumption of the essential character of binary gender then the distinction of homosexuality and heterosexuality which relies on the presumption of binary gender will itself become a senseless distinction.
qualquerbobagem 9 months ago
@qualquerbobagem The female form is 'designed' to give birth and rear children within what can only be a heterosexual framework, you cannot deny it that essential facet- this has nothing to do with society placing meaning on the body. There does exist 'real' formations that are beyond 'power relations'. You should not be so arrogant as to separate the human race from the rest of the animal kingdom. While I do accept social constructionism, butler has gone too far.
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I love butler. I did my dissertation on her at uni and just did a blog about it lesbl0g.blogspot.com/
st537 1 year ago
exactly. Play..
Why not to face them existential horror and let them Playing. And sexual reproduction to be find as an option for fun play (and symbolism making to be considered as a 1 from 8 types of charachter of Player (Brown))
AndriyPavlenko 1 year ago
traduzcan al español por favor!!!
todoestaxconstruir 1 year ago
"my parents were warned that i might become a criminal. "
and she became one
ForThule 1 year ago
What were they trying to say with the part where she tells that she got lessons from the rabbi?
LogInAnders 1 year ago
dyke!
hyperseauton 1 year ago
Ohne Judith Butler wäre Mephistopholus nicht denkbar.
mephistopholus 1 year ago
Thanks for the video. Butler is a genius!!
Zafiroyacero 1 year ago
1:30 This multiplicity of identity is very difficult for most people to accept.
et6yEhzxexzhrz 1 year ago
Although I do not agree with everything Butler says she isn't just a great feminist but also a great person when it comes to transgender rights, and for fighting for androgyne people whom are a mixture of both male and female traits...like me :)
TheVirginQueenShane 1 year ago
butler is well gud, wikd stuff!!
shackleton12 1 year ago
Thanks a million for uploading it.
saayantube 2 years ago 4
this person is a genius, she is truly human in every sense of the word. and at the same time, she is beyond human. what a remarkable spirit.
sunflowertheory 2 years ago 36
@sunflowertheory you say everything that i trynna say about JB. This is so true.
Maevaprod 2 years ago
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Has anyone ever told her that she is a giggling imbecile?
GreatGrumbledook 2 years ago
Does Bulter ever address German Idealism anywhere in her writings? Does she acknowledge the limits of her Post-Kantian dependency?
tangwich1 2 years ago
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All of her work is a working through german idealism. Tag phrases do not make for quality.
jimenezca1 2 years ago
@tangwich1 She does not address anything that is beyond her intellectual capacity.
isocrate27 1 year ago
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Pure bullshit!
MisterHerr 2 years ago
Extraordinary! Thank you. Im writing a thesis on Deviance in Almodovar's Cinema and this is so helpful! thank you! :))
nunobranco22 2 years ago
<3 Thank you for putting this on youtube!
tubeRissen 2 years ago 15
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This lady sucks.
hauntmeinharmony 2 years ago
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So basically in the first 2 minutes she is saying she believes no one has an identity. How disappointing. I won't waste my time listening any longer.
patrick112590 2 years ago
@patrick112590 ...that's putting her entire argument into a tiny box. Judith Butler's arguments cannot be BOXED... you're a complete idiot.
DecoratedEmergencyX 1 year ago
@DecoratedEmergencyX It must make you feel entirely important telling others that they're stupid over the Internet. I'd be willing to bet quite a large sum that you wouldn't dare say that to my face.
patrick112590 1 year ago
@patrick112590 No, I probably would. I call plenty of people stupid to their faces. It's nothing personal, really; it's not your fault you can't understand Butler's complexities. Or, well, maybe it is.
Regardless, I wouldn't EXPECT most people to be able to understand such complex theory. :)
DecoratedEmergencyX 1 year ago
@DecoratedEmergencyX I used to be as angry as you are, too. You remind me of how unattractive I was then, calling people stupid on YouTube just because I disagreed with them.
Thank heavens I've changed since then, and I hope you do too.
patrick112590 1 year ago
@DecoratedEmergencyX: Judith Butler is only "complex" in that she spews a bunch of subjective post-modernist literary garbage that earned her "worst writer"award among certain academics. Google it this is a fact.
Literary Critics should stick to literature... There is a reason Butler mostly appeals to English and Feminist Majors and is disregarded by more serious disciplines like the majority of biologists and anthropologists...
OppressedAnarchist 4 months ago
i like the girl in the purple wig a 5:45 ^_^
HAPPY NO PANTS DAY...!
ahaah! thats awesome.
BecomingAdrian 2 years ago 2
haha! hoho! momo?
NameFrUtube 2 years ago
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Yes, she is yew and lesbian an this is the reason why she is what she is and has no clear identity as a woman at all using 'Gender' for constructing her identity.
newfan7 2 years ago
aggressive-submissive --> active-passive
UR a woman with qualities of both and man.
gen6k 2 years ago
Look in the mirror!
newfan7 2 years ago
FEMALE with qualities of masculinity and femininity.
phaan421 2 years ago
Androgyne :D
TheVirginQueenShane 1 year ago
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shreddertony 2 years ago
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dyke!
RationalEmotive 2 years ago
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shreddertony 2 years ago
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I am Jerry Falwell and I blame 9/11 on the gays the lesbians, the feminists, abortionists and the ACLU.
RationalEmotive 2 years ago
ahaah! i'd love to hear your justification for that opinion is, but unfortunately your comment will be gone next time someone with half a brain cell reads it.
BecomingAdrian 2 years ago
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I just think with my gut and I get it.
GOD MAY BLESS THESE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and its righteous leader John McCain! The election was stolen by Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert who were the first to announce Florida goes to Obama, the other stations then had to follow suit.
RationalEmotive 2 years ago
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Hey, I am just roasting Bill Pullman, I mean Judith Butler here and thereby paying my deep held respect to her.
If you want to go with the liberal consensus stay to your faggoty analytical philosophy, weaklings!
RationalEmotive 2 years ago
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oh look, this person is so insane his account has been closed.
BecomingAdrian 2 years ago
I am much amazed when I search great Feminist like Butler and many others, it will never make it to 5 stars.( Cixous does have a five, but mainly people are commenting how beautiful she is).
This is just interesting!
angeladai 2 years ago
Thank you for posting this video. Much appreciated.
tinalilith 2 years ago 4
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@tbuechele: Nay! It is not. Karl Marx (the simple) was firstly a protestant (of Jewish ancestry) and himself highly anti-Semite, just read what he writes about the Jews and I would not count him as a philosopher but as a political agitator. While those dimwits from Frankfurt were of course mere tomfools and not philosophers at all. I wonder why Brecht was denied entrance to Western Germany but why these Marxist wimps were tolerated there and this during the cold war! Poor Germany.
GreatGrumbledook 2 years ago
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This disgrace to philosophy wonders if or if not German idealism did cause the rise of national-socialism? Well, while I ask myself if the rise of her stupidity was enormous deliberated or just a birth-defected! Lets face it: Most peoples, like the Jews do not produce hardly any philosophers at all, or does anyone know another Jewish philosopher than good old Spinoza? While others, like the Germans or Greeks produce them in dozens at some certain times; but see someone to try is awful!
GreatGrumbledook 2 years ago
@GreatGrumbledook:
Well...a few Jewish philosophers besides Spinoza do in fact come to mind: Isaiah Berlin, Leo Strauss, Lévi-Strauss, Moses Mendelssohn, Husserl, Martin Buber, Mortimer Adler, Allan Bloom, Irving Kristol, Karl Popper, Milton Friedman, Philo Judaeus...and, of course, Wittgenstein & Maimonides.
So, even though this hack Butler isn't a philosopher, that doesn't mean that my people doesn't produce them.
Aeschylus 2 years ago
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@Aeschylus: Poper would maybe a point if you consider the Jews as an ethnic group but as they are a magical nation I will reject all offspring of converts to other religions; all the mentioned are mere political and cultural novelist! Except for Friedman who is just a base and greedy grocer! Philosophers are still not very common among the Jews but they have their prophets like Carlton Heston to lead them according to Jehovah's command out of Egypt and though the Red Sea and things like that...
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That is incredible antisemitic and ignorant. How about the Frankfurt school and a little know man named KARL MARX! Butler is a wonderful and important philosopher who has had an incredible strong impact on the world.
tbuechele 2 years ago 2
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You're right. The Jew-gene is anti-philosophical.
Fuck. Face.
Doopex 2 years ago
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@Doopex: Is there such a thing? Normally the Jews form a magical nation: Meaning the church is equal to the nation, without any racial or ethnic component (according to Oswald Spengler, a true philosopher). And Marx was first an anti-Semite himself (terms like finance-Jew are common among him) and a protestant, not a Jew though of Jewish ancestry and most importantly: Not a philosopher at all but a mere economy preacher and the Frankfurt tomfools are a disgrace both to humanity and philosophy!
GreatGrumbledook 2 years ago
admirable woman.
MadamTango 2 years ago
Someone can tell me, is she lesbian or straight? I curious
rosyhappyalways 2 years ago
It doesn't matter.
kafre87 2 years ago
She claims a lesbian identity. And, yes, it does matter.
annaenanna 2 years ago
Thank you annaenanna for your answer
rosyhappyalways 2 years ago
i think she's lesbian
Thizzmotion 2 years ago
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What an awful, self-indulgent pseudo-intellectual. "I was only fourteen; aren't you impressed? ...Some people don't want to wear a dress--stunning, isn't it? ...Hey everybody, I'm a philosopher!"
Ugh! Glad this crap is finally starting to trickle away from the Academy and back down into the sewer.
Aeschylus 2 years ago
I had a similar reaction. I also thought it was funny that the "terrible things" Butler claims to have done as a "problem child" were speaking back to teachers and skipping class. If that's what it takes to be problem child, then half the people I know are delinquents.
redetrigan 2 years ago
unless you guys have actually read butler's work you're not in the place to be commenting on her intellectual prowess. butler's ideas have completely altered the field of sociology and queer studies.
TheMaxVernon 2 years ago 3
@redetrigan
Judith Butler is a typical Jewish fraud. She talks senseless things and hides behind her Jewishness because no one dares critize Jews.
TheSunmanho 1 year ago
@TheSunmanho criticise people for what they do. not because they are "jewish" or whatever. try criticising people for their actions independent of some identity being the cause of it. then you might be being constructive and people wouldn't just think you were an anti semite.
james0apple 1 year ago
@TheSunmanho so is albert einstein a typical jewish fraud? milton friedman? baruch spinoza? john von neumann? woody allen? quit making steoreotypes, regardless of race culture or religion, there will always be geniuses and frauds
goPistons06 1 year ago
@TheSunmanho She talks things that are senseless to brainless sorry racists like you. Why stay on this channel and dont you go watch football or something?
Schizophonix 1 year ago
@redetrigan she was being ironic.
nunobranco22 1 year ago
Most of the great philosophical questions appear stupid, plain, straightforward, obvious, almost as if not worth asking. If your opinion is that Butler is not worthy of consideration because you don't find what she wishes to address "stunning" perhaps you need to consider that when you call her the pseudo-intellectual, you are a pot calling the kettle black.
YusefAsabiyah 2 years ago
@YusefAsabiyah
I don't claim to be a philosopher. She does, and is hailed as such.
Aeschylus 2 years ago
@Aeschylus: You have just become my personal hero of the day! As a reward you may lay aside your gloomy tragedies and enjoy the Clouds of Aristophanes, where even the king of philosophers Socrates is mocked:
St.: Socrates! My little Socrates!
So.: Why callest thou me, thou creature of a day?
St.: First tell me, I beseech you, what are you doing.
So.: I am walking in the air, and speculating about the sun.
If there were more people like you rotten tomatoes would be thrown at her all day!
GreatGrumbledook 2 years ago
Thank you for the video.
canmutlu 2 years ago
what's with the random sentences in french?
harmonsiegel 3 years ago