Crazy people do crazy stuff but this is over the edge.It was not religion that killed those children.This whole story doesn't make sense.Why would she try to kill herself afterwards knowing full well suicide is weak and its against god or so i have heard.Look at me saying god.I don't believe in god.Heaver or hell, its all a bunch of bullshit so people can live their lives peacefully knowing there is something waiting for them in the after live. Yeah, something called "eternal nothingness"
My mother is mentally ill, she believes in God and she didn't ever consider killing me. Thank God she didn't.
The woman didn't do good when she killed the children. God doesn't joy in death. But yes the babies should be in heaven right now
There is evidence for after life. It's called POST DEATH EXPERIENCES. There have been cases when people were completely dead, no heart beat, no brain activity yet they saw what was happening and saw other rooms and parents at their homes
Richard Dawkins approves infanticide. I'm Christian and I don't think infanticide is good at all. It's evil.
Do you have proof or evidence that there's no heaven or hell? How strongly do you believe there is no afterlife?
You try to make religion look bad because a woman with mental health issues did it? Do you know what mentally ill atheists do? This is sick propaganda. You cannot make a universal judgement on religion on this subject. It's impossible and illogical.
People ban games and movies because they think it could be harmful to the young and the insane but incentive the reading of the bible, which is the most violent and fucked up book of all times
@oscarmarin1995 There are a couple of passages from Numbers and Deuteronomy which must be your favorites. Perhaps you should check the "evil bible dot com" website as a guide for your Bible daily studies.
didnt religions forbid killing yourself or one another? so the issue is not, whether there is or is not heaven and god, but thet these people are actually crazy, just because they say they are religious does not make them one, not every religious is a believer.
what i will quotes is what you are doing it has no name "i will choose failuers of a system i dont like as an example to its failure too, using flawed logic and narrow mindness, and calling this Logical reasoning in your criticism"
I am so happy to see people openly questioning religion, its purpose and also the damage it can and has caused.
The one thing that scares me about religion is its ability to suck in large numbers of people. "religious leaders" play on the fears, hearts and minds of people. But the large number of "believers" does give them a edge
I believe NO ONE KNOWS how or why creation exists. I hope to see atheism become organized and grow, it will have to, so we can stop this religious madness.
Literally only one quarrel with this vid and it's probably already been said by someone else: saying that you think don't really believe in heaven (when there are lots of reasons in Christianity why a believer wouldn't rush to death, notably because life is supposedly a gift from god that is to be protected at all costs, etc.) is much like when a believer tells us that we really believe in God, we're just not admitting it.
An almost sure-fire way to render your message ineffective is to tell someone else that they don't believe what they say they believe. It's even more effective to do that and be wrong.
If you want to protect children, metaphorically poking the parents who happen to be moderate believers in the eye with sharp sticks is not helpful. Sure, get them riled up, say snarky things, etc., but respect the facts of what you know and don't know.
if not religion it would have been something else. maybe honour. or in some imaginary world the benefit of the union/reich. or financial situation. or any other number of beliefs.
she took a philosophy, an influence, and acted on her interpretation.
in a world totally free of religion this still would have happened.
an unstable person will find a reason.
a starving anorexic will see themselves as obese.
you confuse belief with fact, which is kind of ironic when you consider your argument is against religious belief. Belief is not fact, belief is a level of certainty. Yes, the religious (criminally insane) belief that played its part in this *indescribably lonely* case played it's part, as did the water company that provided her with the water (and provided a significantly more important role), the discussion of insanity cannot be relevant when you wish to discuss rationality.
The idea that death is the end is the stupidest fucking idea I've ever heard. I think I'll trust Jesus and Buddha as apposed to an internet nerd who gets making atheist videos, like there is a shortage of them.
I can't help but feel like someone who murders their children after being in mental care wouldn't be just as dangerous to themselves and loved ones even without religion. I'm sure she'd be just as insane with a kite. She didn't need religion to make herself do something insane, she needed it to justify what she did.
"Religion" is a huge category, nothing in this video coincides with f.ex buddhism and hinduism.. And yeah i noticed you used words like "majority" etc, but still you are more or less talking solely about the abrahamic religions.. which i think you should point out before you go bashing on all of religion
People who kill their children are insane, and their religious beliefs are more likely a symptom than a cause. But consider: Would a religious judge/jury be more likely to forgive such people? In Texas a few years back, one woman killed her kids because god told her to. Another did so because the devil told her to. Juries acquitted the first by reason of insanity, and sentenced the other to death. Google Andrea Yates. Don't recall the others name, but the two cases were fairly close in time.
Believing in the afterlife has nothing to do with the likelihood of a psychopath killing someone. Case in point-Jeremy Perkins, the schizophrenic scientologist who killed his mother. I'm pretty sure he wasn't doing it to "get her to heaven early" since scientlogists don't believe in heaven
Also, your words at 1:52 - 2:07 is evidence that the title of your video is more theoretical than a factual.
Not that it matters, but I'm a huge fan of you and your videos, but I think you are wrong here
Also, it's a little odd that controversial trolling videos, designed to get views, appear on your account when you achieve partner status. Ain't it Straightd0pe.
Yes, straightd0pe. Why are you touching the controversial topics now that you're partnered, and only dealt with non-issues like G20 summit, trolls, e-begging and obnoxious people on youtube?
The G20 summit is the only thing you mentioned that has been discussed after he announced his partnership. You need to grow up and stop idolizing people on youtube above all reason.
He achieved some repute when he stuck to issues involving e-begging and assholes on youtube because they don't require alot of insight. Which is lacking from his videos concerning bigger issues.
He now resorts to making videos like this inflammatory, unsubstantiated nonsense to whore views.
Your youtube page says, that you're 24 years old. But by the type of the replies and comments in the history list, leads me to believe, that you're half that age.
But okay. Let's ignore that I'm following straightd0pe's channel from almost the beginning and recognize to show things as they are rather than they should be; I'm going to assume, that you're a religious person, that didn't read the bible. Am I right?
Which makes me curious -- Truthful Christian -- Is that you?
I'm not a religous person at all, and if you had bothered to read some of my earlier comments you would know that. I havn't read the bible, have you? If you havn't then you're in no position to comment on it.
Any other hackneyed inflamatory comments you want to make, or are you going to start thinking for yourself?
Also you claim that there's stories, like the one you outlined in your sensationalist piece, popping up "all the time". Care to verify that? No? I didn't think so.
This video, seeing its title and content, reeks of view whoring. Fairly hypocritical of you.
@straightd0pe I meant to say "mentally ill" but I'm sure you got the point.
I don't understand why you made this video, it just seems like an arbitrary attack on an already largely discredited institution. That lady was mentally ill, using religion as the reason for her killing her child is ridiculous. She would have been just as likely to had religion never existed. Humans are animals, and animals kill their infants. There is no anthropological reason, merely biological.
@floppykid You really need to read the full comment before going off, perhaps its A.D.D. I dont know
But the comment stays because it is true, the whole purpose of the bible is to manipulated to suit the agenda of anyone who wants to use the bible for a tool of propaganda.
The whole saying "the bible is meant to be interpreted in different ways proves that."
It is just another contradiction showing what BS religion is.
Saying it is time to quit believing in this BS is not stupid at all.
TheStraightviewwhore is attributing and blaming a woman's psychosis on religion. The argument is baseless, if he had perhaps used a more valid and endemic example of religion's brainwashing, perhaps it would be a salient video. It's not though. I suggest you calm down, stop letting your fanboyism cloud your judgement and think rationally.
His point was that it's dangerous to tell someone who's mentally unsound that there is not life after dead :|. You need to pay attention. His video title had nothing to do with the video. You don't need to act like he kicked you in the balls.
It obviously had been decipherable because you responded to it. You're cherry picking and avoiding my point, stay on topic. If I said that his video is trolling I'd have to say that religious videos on youtube are also trolling and I'm not willing to make that broad sweep just yet.
Seriously, was "it's dangerous to tell someone who's mentally unsound that there is not life after dead :|." meant to make sense? I can't even think get the context right about that sentence. In this video he discusses two complete separate issues and attributes them to each other without foundation or sound evidence. That's trolling. Answer my question so I can try to be a little more tolerant of your terrible English. Is English your first language?
YES! It IS dangerous to tell a mentally unsound person that it is life after death for the EXACT reason he mentioned. It's common sense. That's why politicians always has to be careful what they say. That's why rhetoric is always scrutinized. You're smarter than that man. You're smart enough to know that there are crazy people out there. My english has nothing to do with said video. Get the fuck off of it.
@floppykid I am replying to this comment that YOU DID MAKE in reply to straightdope. "I now realize you are the kind of guy who forsakes rationality to suit his own agenda."
That comment is at the very top of his video.
My reply only states the Bible is told it is to be interpreted in many different ways, has it not?
I did not say you mentioned the bible.
I said to GO AND READ THE BIBLE!
You really need to read the full comment before going off. I have notice people seem to do that
I never used the bible as the basis of my argument. You're just going off on a tangent on it, thinking you're getting a one up on me. I don't know, maybe it's A.D.D. I don't want to read the Bible. Why don't you go read War and Peace, or The Prince or the entire Harry Potter series backwards or something. Seems just about as relevant to this conversation.
The idea of a Christian going to heaven as the "end of the game" is a medieval notion that just has not died yet. There is more to the story and the game than the ending.
Furthermore you say "religion" as if it was an organized and unified whole. I would have caution before I try to pigeonhole all religions into the same category or belief in the same concept. Theravada Buddhists do not believe in life after death and some Hindus believe in another material life after death.
I understand your argument. All he is doing is directly applying the ideas of religion to real life. Aren't these kids in heaven? The mom potentially saved her kids from hell by sacrificing her own salvation. It is kind of like saying the Jews killed in WWII go to hell, because they aren't *insert non-Jewish religion here*.
When I was religious, the idea of an afterlife troubled me so much that I almost committed suicide just to see if it was actually possible (I know, suicide is a sin).
If you knew anything about religion, you'd know killing is a major sin in most of them, if not, all. Killing has no place in religions whatsoever. So the title is wrong. You're wrong. Religion is not a baby killer. Baby killers are baby killers.
I think, that you're misusing the words "LOL", "ROFLMAO" and "wowww". For instance the "LOL" factor of the statement "If you knew anything about religion, you'd know killing is a major sin in most of them, if not, all." is, when the one saying that states "I'm not familiar w/ the Bible and the Torah".
The "ROFLMAO" factor is, when one states "Quran for one does not condone killing.", and then you ask him, what happens, if someone wants to depart from Islam (Surah 4:89)
"This verse refers to the non-muslims from Mecca "
No it doesn't. The chapter itself doesn't state anything nor about Mecca nor any other city. And the verse itself says, that departure from the way of the Allah ends in death.
Also, the chapter itself says, that those who don't follow Allah are against it (they follow the path of Satan), and if you fight for Allah, rather than practice tolerance, you get brownie points with him.
@mindofthewolf Oh, so it must've taken place in the Arctic then! LMFAO
Didn't I tell you that you have no understanding of context? There's a historical context here. Did you even bother to read the verses before and after 4:89? I guess not, since you're making yourself look even stupider by replying w/ such idiocy.
@fandanstan "If you knew anything about religion, you'd know killing is a major sin in most of them, if not, all."
You're kidding, right? In the Bible God endorses killing gays, people who don't listen to priests or judges, witches, false prophets, people who curse at their parents, people who belong to other religions and so on. Of course in the bible says "Thou shall not kill" in there. It also says, that you should be killed for working on sabbath day.
Just because you believe in afterlife doesn't mean you don't value life. and considering atheists don't believe in afterlife what does killing a baby mean to them? I am not a christian, but I don't think it's right to blame Christianity for the actions of Christians. Yes, the lady who killed her babies was crazy, but to blame it religion isn't logical. If people actually followed the teachings of Christianity we really wouldn't have this problem. The basis of Christianity is to live as Jesus did
First and foremost, thanks for taking the time to make this video for us. It just irritates me when I see some of these dipshit comments that people make. It's supposed to be "Straight-Dope", but it defeats the purpose when people don't get the message in the videos.
Not far from where I live in Scotland there is a hill called suicide hill (10 points if you can guess why) It's a fucking big hill with a vertical cliff drop down into a forest of big spikey trees. A few years back a woman went up there with her two kids in a pram, pushed the pram off the side and then jumped herself. In her suicide note, she wrote that she did not want to live anymore and her children would be better off with god. Says it all really. great vid dude...
Point one : The video title screams 'HIT ME" so loud it had to be intentionally provocative as to drive viewer count. That doesn't impress me at all given your youtube partner status. Point two : a number of youtubers have made the point already that whack jobs use religion to do wacky shit. What you said isn't necessarily wrong, but it is way overstated.
I agree with your reasoning, but don't you think you're being a little bit of a shit disturber? You named your video "Religion is a Baby Killer"! I personally think it's hilarious though, keep up the good work.
This guy obviously doesn't understand the concept of the Kingdom of God. That's why, Christians at least, try as hard as they can to stay on this 'fucked up planet'. Christians trying as hard as they can to bring this Kingdom of peace and justice to Earth. Say what you want about beliefs of the afterlife, but you can't say that the Kingdom of God is in anyway a bad thing, if people continue to build it through peaceful means.
@ChezzyKnytt Religion is a lie, it's just another pill to get you high, No one knows where you go when you die. One only has to look at the proof. Look at the cults (Christianity being one of the biggest) that push the so called "Kingdom of God"
bullshit on children like a pedophile robing a child's innocence. Yes religions do some good but it is certainly not worth the cost. A good starting point would be to tax all religions to help fix the economic disaster in America. It's not about "God"!
This is pretty close to a straw man arguement. Religon is an ideal much like anything else. If we proposed the woman just killed off her kids rather then the abusive father because she concluded that 'It was better off for them to be dead then to suffer' can be used as an atheist point of view. I have never seen any strong numbers to show religion as a major factor to homicides or suicides for that matter. If you have a sources to show this suggestion I would love to see it.
@Wizo25 Why do you say it's close to a straw man? All I'm saying is that religions make unfounded claims about death that I don't think most people really believe. Sometimes people with unsound minds actually act on this claim and do horrible shit like this.
If an atheist decided to kill her kids in order to prevent some form of suffering, presumably the person would have a better idea of the gravity of her actions and wouldn't be acting on the premise that they're going to paradise.
You 'think' most people don't believe in it. That's quite a tall order for an opinion to generalize at. Your message seems to direct that people of any faith do not believe in. That's why I am asking for sources to support your claim. On both sides of the aisle I see such remarks about people of faith and without faith. You can state people of faith may not beleive in what they follow but there has to be some sort of evidence to prove this. (Continued)
Also I am trying to understand if you are saying a normal Athiest or of Elaine Campione. Now if you are saying Elaine was an atheist and would act differently thenI respectfully disagree on such an assumption. Elaine could easily twist a non-theist view and still beleive that it was better off for her children to die then live a horrible life with their father.
I think the afterlife is more of a part instead of a central theme for many religions.
@straightd0pe That's assuming that atheists always think rationally and the reality is that it just does not happen that way. Whether the motive for murder is religious or atheistic, the end result is the same. In reality your argument in this video is a fallacy of questionable causes. Just because A can be associated with B does not mean that A is the cause of B.
That second paragraph is ridiculous and shows what an idiot you are.
A religous mentally ill person is somehow more likely to murder because there mnight be a paradise afterwards? While an athiestic person with issues is less likely to adopt this irrational viewpoint and then, according to your logic, is less likely to murder someone?
Sorry buddy, it doesn't work that way, and unless you have reputable statistics to back you up, you are just showing everyone your prejudice.
"Why do you say it's close to a straw man? All I'm saying is that religions make unfounded claims about death that I don't think most people really believe."
It's a straw man because religion is a broad word.
Did the woman do so with the direct intention of sending the children to heaven?I know many Atheists who use sentences such as "go to hell" and "Good God" of course this means nothing. The mother's intent wasn't "my kids need to die to go to heaven" it was more along the lines of " I can't let my children live in pain." To be honest Dope, I like you and your videos a lot, but again you would have less enemies if you simply tried to be more sympathetic and understanding.
@Wizo25 Because one or two insignificant brats are okay. As long as people continue to buy into lies that make me feel comfortable.
The world is a better place now.
Truthfully, I am not sure what to think about this event. I am glad that they wont need to grow up with an abusive father but saddened that no one could give the woman enough assurance that such could not happen.
Myself, I find the petty laws of debate can be bent when it comes to saving human lives. That is just opinion though.
Believers are generally pro-lifers, taking this into consideration, you're finding a few bad apples and labeling the whole bunch so, maybe think before you make another ignorant video based solely on the concept of "Heaven".
@straightd0pe Not really, no. You're scapegoating religion because of a few sick members "Religion is a Baby Killer". One could just as easily attack atheism or any ideology in the same way but hey, if your dope is straight, your next video should be about the lyrical content in metal songs that drive people over the edge; looking forward to it.
@blackcrow6667 It's split down the middle. I'm semi pro-choice but it's more complicated than that for me. However, this video was not about abortion.
@Divinecovenant0012 You're right, this video is not about abortion, it's about stirring the pot and gaining subscribers. Abortion ties into this because Christians do not advocate death (as a rule) to innocent children so any misconception ultimately lies with the believer.
The idea that life after death is a delusion that most people don't believe in anyway is false. People want to live on earth because earth is a nice place. Most people don't know for sure in there is life after death, so they enjoy life, and hope for the best when the time comes. How ever NDE's speak the truth. Morons haha.
religion or not she had problems and would have killed her kids i believe. she just thought she was doing the right thing, while we all know killing two kids is wrong in her mind it was good. most chritians find killing to be wrong she did it just she had problems. i think this issue is more on her mental then her faith
It reminds me of the Elizabeth Smart case going on right now in Salt Lake (nov 11 2010 ) one religion nut needs to prove he is jesus. Even among all the Mormans he doesn't stand a chance with that hair brained deal. The general public does know the facts even if they are Mormans..
Actually, most people who believe in Heaven would believe killing someone would damn them, with certain exceptions... People who kill others because they would be "better off" generally think the world is so fucked up that not existing at all is eternal bliss in comparison to our finite years here.
Maybe they're worried that they themselves or their loved one are sinners and that they won't be in the same place after they're both dead. Also, I've heard some BS that some christians believe that our relationships with other people, even family, is purely terrestrial and that once you die and go up to heaven you won't be hangin' out with your buddies who died decades previously, you'll be basking in God's glory. If that's the case then mourning makes sense. I don't believe any of it myself.
As a polar opposite of whats being espoused on the Thunderf00t channel right now, I actually prefer the videos you make when you bitch about someone. Hope theres some more of them in the pipeline. : )
The amount of babies killed by religious driven parents is negligible and without religion there would probably be just as many parent killed babies. This is a bad example you bring up. Religion is like a dictatorship: it has the potential to be very good or bad but most often ends up bad, and it would often be better if people just made choices based on their internal values and desires. Because of the reformation and enlightenment this is what people do with Christianity, but Muslims haven't.
I think the issue is that they do believe, but usually recognize the fundamental weakness in their position. As such anyone who reminds them of this reminds them of their mortality.
I totally agree with you on this video straightdope. You presented the facts in a clear and conceise manner with great evidence. Im sorry people but ive personally witnessed this kind of shit in my own life with my mother and with serving the army in general. Its ugly and raw like a sewer system. Sorry folks wake up and stop lying to yourself that the world is full of goodness 24/7.Think for yourselves and stop being sheep!
All do i like most of your vids i think this is just low. Point is people will kill people no matter what cind of ideas that is out there. By the way im shure there are storyes of atheists cults were people comits mass suiside ore people kill themself becous theyr beliefs if extinguished by atheist ideas. Any idea is dangerous taken to the extreme. so stopp making silly vids like this...I must say im suprised. I realy didnt expect something that weak from you.
@Grimbot2 I disagre. There are ot of Cyberspace comunities witch have all the elements of a cult only diference is that its on internet and not in person. Id say Inmendham is a prime example of such an atheist cult leader.
@Grimbot2 I disagre. There are ot of Cyberspace comunities witch have all the elements of a cult only diference is that its on internet and not in person. Id say Inmendham is a prime example of such an dangerous atheist cult leader.
@AlexphoenixWing That of course happens as well; but that doesn't negate the fact that on a fairly regular basis there are people who kill loved ones based on the premise that they aren't really going to die. Not only will they not die, but they'll be much better off, in eternal bliss! Would those people do the same thing if they hadn't been told that fairy tale? I tend to doubt it.
Ironically, the same cognitive dissonance is evident in "right to life" rhetoric.
If terminating a pregnancy is wrong because a fetus is endowed with a soul at the moment of conception, then terminating the pregnancy isn't doing anything but sending that soul to the vast, eternal, perfect amusement park...
Unless of course they believe that an ominbenevolent god sets unborn souls on fire forever for the sin of not yet being baptized.
@455Dan554 i dont care that not all ppl who believe in god dont go around killing. i care that any ONE person kills any other ONE person in the name of god. if i was a god and some killed in my name, id kill that person, god doesn't need our help, if he is real at all. if nothing bad ever came from religion i wouldn't bother me, but it does. we need to get rid religion if only to save the future lives of kids.
@455Dan554 Of course they aren't... Just as not all christians are like the nutters in the Westboro Babtist Church. Just because not everyone wants to hijack planes in no way means that we shouldn't have airport security. Not everyone wants to steal your car... but you still lock your door... yadda yadda :)
The title of the video really caught my attention heh..
But yeah, you're right straightd0pe, you can't really comitt immoral acts in the name of lack of something.. but you certainly get encouraged by the name of religion
if i were religious this video would only strengthen my faith, ur example of people not actually believing in an afterlife because they mourne and dont try kill themselves just doesnt cut it, maybe they mourne cuz they r not with them anymore? and killing urselfs a sin or w/e
@fuckshit485 I wouldn't mourn the fact that a loved one is now paradise, where I will join them soon enough and be with them for eternity. It'd be like mourning the end of a TV season.
Killing yourself may be a sin, but if one really believes in heaven why wear a seatbelt? Why get vaccinated? Why get chemotherapy when diagnosed with cancer?
@straightd0pe yeah u wouldnt mourne their destination but u would mourne their absence and im sure being reckless with ur life is probably just as bad as commiting suicide somehow
@straightd0pe I'd chalk it up to survival instinct, I don't perticularily like the argument "If you believe in heaven why are you trying so damn hard to keep living?" it's a natural desire to survive kinda hard to fight the only people that seem to fight it are completely lost mentally or have something they feel is worth dying for (parent protecting child, person fighting for a cause etc.)
If one doesn't believe in heaven, why bother trying to do anything in your life if you're just gonna die? It's not like you'll get to see future generations enjoying whatever you accomplish.
It doesn't matter if people with serious mental illnesses believe. Schizophrenics often think that there's mass conspiracy against them and they start attacking those who they think are part of it. So should society be blamed? Of course not!
@Grimbot2 I don't think it does work both ways. If you know that you have one life, one shot, you're more likely to try to make the most of it. You're not just killing time, waiting to get to the "real" life that's waiting for you.
Should society be blamed? No, because that doesn't do any good. But a dishonest tenet that teaches both adults and children that there's something better after death should certainly get blame when it's cited as a motive for killing people out of love.
@straightd0pe No, you'd mourn the fact that they're not w/ you in THIS world. You'd miss them, etc etc.
Why wear a seatbelt? Because your state in the afterlife is dependent on this life, as most religions believe. Thus, you'd try to stay alive to do as much good as possible. Right? RIght?!? lol
@mindofthewolf You have a gross misunderstanding of the afterlife. The soul does not die. I guess you don't call yourself 'mindofthewolf' for nothing.
"You have a gross misunderstanding of the afterlife."
According to the people that deal with astrology, homeopathy and other pseudo-scientific drivel, I have a gross misunderstanding of those things as well.
"The soul does not die."
There are no scientific evidence for a thing called "soul".
"I guess you don't call yourself 'mindofthewolf' for nothing. "
That's a strawman and has nothing to do with any of my statements.
@mindofthewolf I'm glad you've admitted that you have a gross misunderstanding of many things. I see no reason to argue with you now that you've admitted that.
Thank you.
There's no scientific evidence that your mother loves you. Does that mean she hates you? No.
You assume the soul doesn't exist merely because it's not written down in scientific literature.
"There's no scientific evidence that your mother loves you. Does that mean she hates you? No."
This statement is truly idiotic on so many levels. Not only that that statement has nothing to do with the debate, that I'm not sure why I'm still wasting my energy on, love can be proven on molecular level as well as on level of social interactions.
So, because something may cause someone who is irrational and mentally-unstable to do something evil or unjust, we need to get rid of it?
Sounds to me like the kind of logic used against violent video games. “Yes, we should ban all video games because they cause children who can’t distinguish from right and wrong, and who are probably mentally-unstable to begin with, to gun down their classmates at school!”
And you don't see the why the influence of a god would be more destructive than the influence of a video game? And yes! we should be working to rid the fucking planet of bad ideas.
I liked it. I would have gone the "piety serves as a pretty good cover for delusion" road myself, but I suppose with her having tried to kill herself already it's not necessarily applicable.
This video is a disgusting attack on people with mental illness. Not everyone who suffers from a mental illness is a danger to themselves, their children or others. There are people who you work with, who you see on tv, your neighbors and so on who live with mental illness. I really wish you would differentiate from things like depression or manic depression and others who are on medication to control the symptoms and those with far more serious conditions and are not being treated.
@straightd0pe "People with mental illness murder their children"... Most of the video isn't as direct as that one statement, but in trying to criticize religion, I think you went a little too far. Overall, I agree that religion causes certain people to do dumb things, but I think we should try to be understanding of those people with mental illness. I myself suffer from major depression, but I would never harm anyone.
@christo930 uhh... you do realized you can the the time in the vid to where he said that, so we don't have to watch again just to see what you're saying.
@christo930 It may sound slightly disconnected the way I recorded it, but that statement is connected to the previous one ("these cases pop up all the time"). "These cases" are of particular mentally ill people doing similar things. It's not a categorical statement about mentally ill people, but the people who do this do happen to be mentally ill. I would never "attack" people with mental illness. Everyone has been personally affected by mental illness in one way or another.
@straightd0pe This is your WORST video. Good god. This is childish nonsense. And yes, you stigmatized the mentally ill. Jesus...er...no pun. Ok, people are not going to stop believing there might be something better than this life, LOL religion didn't cause that belief, religion was invented around the HUMAN propensity for wondering about that shit. Grow up! This video shocks me, you're not this stupid. And the shock value of a mentally ill person killing their children? WTF is wrong w/you?
@booboonation If you think I'm stigmatizing the mentally ill here, you're completely misinterpreting what I've said. The people who end up doing this are mentally ill. Is that a statement about all people will mental illness? Of course not.
Why do you think the chicken or the egg argument has any relevance? We propagate (or tolerate) the idea that death leads to something better and we open the door for people who don't have a firm grasp on reality to act on that idea.
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Crazy people do crazy stuff but this is over the edge.It was not religion that killed those children.This whole story doesn't make sense.Why would she try to kill herself afterwards knowing full well suicide is weak and its against god or so i have heard.Look at me saying god.I don't believe in god.Heaver or hell, its all a bunch of bullshit so people can live their lives peacefully knowing there is something waiting for them in the after live. Yeah, something called "eternal nothingness"
XENON3120 2 weeks ago
And then the doctors would revive the persons. You should research it
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My mother is mentally ill, she believes in God and she didn't ever consider killing me. Thank God she didn't.
The woman didn't do good when she killed the children. God doesn't joy in death. But yes the babies should be in heaven right now
There is evidence for after life. It's called POST DEATH EXPERIENCES. There have been cases when people were completely dead, no heart beat, no brain activity yet they saw what was happening and saw other rooms and parents at their homes
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Richard Dawkins approves infanticide. I'm Christian and I don't think infanticide is good at all. It's evil.
Do you have proof or evidence that there's no heaven or hell? How strongly do you believe there is no afterlife?
You try to make religion look bad because a woman with mental health issues did it? Do you know what mentally ill atheists do? This is sick propaganda. You cannot make a universal judgement on religion on this subject. It's impossible and illogical.
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People ban games and movies because they think it could be harmful to the young and the insane but incentive the reading of the bible, which is the most violent and fucked up book of all times
marvincontendo 1 month ago
@marvincontendo Why? Because you say so?
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@oscarmarin1995 If you don´t believe me, just read it. Or are you too lazy to do it?? Sloth is one of the deadly sins, you know.
marvincontendo 3 weeks ago
@marvincontendo I do read the Bible, almost daily
oscarmarin1995 3 weeks ago
@oscarmarin1995 There are a couple of passages from Numbers and Deuteronomy which must be your favorites. Perhaps you should check the "evil bible dot com" website as a guide for your Bible daily studies.
marvincontendo 3 weeks ago
@marvincontendo Nah, that website has been completely refuted
oscarmarin1995 3 weeks ago
@oscarmarin1995 Your Bible, on the other hand, has been proven right.
marvincontendo 3 weeks ago
@Godusesamac going to the dentist is a bit fucking different then spending an eternity in paradise.
IMcGhostI 7 months ago 3
Don't worry guys straightd0pe is still cool.
I think it is some kind of law that every atheist and christian on youtube should make some dumb video about shit no one cares about.
Skinnyoompalumpa 9 months ago
didnt religions forbid killing yourself or one another? so the issue is not, whether there is or is not heaven and god, but thet these people are actually crazy, just because they say they are religious does not make them one, not every religious is a believer.
what i will quotes is what you are doing it has no name "i will choose failuers of a system i dont like as an example to its failure too, using flawed logic and narrow mindness, and calling this Logical reasoning in your criticism"
marobra00 1 year ago
I am so happy to see people openly questioning religion, its purpose and also the damage it can and has caused.
The one thing that scares me about religion is its ability to suck in large numbers of people. "religious leaders" play on the fears, hearts and minds of people. But the large number of "believers" does give them a edge
I believe NO ONE KNOWS how or why creation exists. I hope to see atheism become organized and grow, it will have to, so we can stop this religious madness.
ratdoghippy 1 year ago
Wilson was the one who said 'I dont think so Tim', not Al. No big deal though, just sayin.
AussieZac 1 year ago
Literally only one quarrel with this vid and it's probably already been said by someone else: saying that you think don't really believe in heaven (when there are lots of reasons in Christianity why a believer wouldn't rush to death, notably because life is supposedly a gift from god that is to be protected at all costs, etc.) is much like when a believer tells us that we really believe in God, we're just not admitting it.
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stealthbadger 1 year ago
@stealthbadger
An almost sure-fire way to render your message ineffective is to tell someone else that they don't believe what they say they believe. It's even more effective to do that and be wrong.
If you want to protect children, metaphorically poking the parents who happen to be moderate believers in the eye with sharp sticks is not helpful. Sure, get them riled up, say snarky things, etc., but respect the facts of what you know and don't know.
stealthbadger 1 year ago
1:08 visions of cherry-popping in their head
haha oh man
Roachenator 1 year ago
if not religion it would have been something else. maybe honour. or in some imaginary world the benefit of the union/reich. or financial situation. or any other number of beliefs.
she took a philosophy, an influence, and acted on her interpretation.
in a world totally free of religion this still would have happened.
an unstable person will find a reason.
a starving anorexic will see themselves as obese.
HLecterPHD 1 year ago
you confuse belief with fact, which is kind of ironic when you consider your argument is against religious belief. Belief is not fact, belief is a level of certainty. Yes, the religious (criminally insane) belief that played its part in this *indescribably lonely* case played it's part, as did the water company that provided her with the water (and provided a significantly more important role), the discussion of insanity cannot be relevant when you wish to discuss rationality.
extremepietbh 1 year ago
The idea that death is the end is the stupidest fucking idea I've ever heard. I think I'll trust Jesus and Buddha as apposed to an internet nerd who gets making atheist videos, like there is a shortage of them.
VegasSkateCulture 1 year ago
I can't help but feel like someone who murders their children after being in mental care wouldn't be just as dangerous to themselves and loved ones even without religion. I'm sure she'd be just as insane with a kite. She didn't need religion to make herself do something insane, she needed it to justify what she did.
unkiebilly 1 year ago
"Religion" is a huge category, nothing in this video coincides with f.ex buddhism and hinduism.. And yeah i noticed you used words like "majority" etc, but still you are more or less talking solely about the abrahamic religions.. which i think you should point out before you go bashing on all of religion
Norskmorder 1 year ago
hahah emotional snuggie..nice!!
MsSquarebearz 1 year ago
Religion provides safe harbor to real insanity
bamboo4tameshigiri 1 year ago
People who kill their children are insane, and their religious beliefs are more likely a symptom than a cause. But consider: Would a religious judge/jury be more likely to forgive such people? In Texas a few years back, one woman killed her kids because god told her to. Another did so because the devil told her to. Juries acquitted the first by reason of insanity, and sentenced the other to death. Google Andrea Yates. Don't recall the others name, but the two cases were fairly close in time.
wickedenchanter 1 year ago
I think these people would kill their kids anyway, though
i'm always sympathetic towards the people who actually believe the BS
I hate when society acts like they did something wrong for being HONEST
if revelations was coming, GOOD people wouldd kill all their loved ones
if killing kids saved them from hell it'd be GOOD to kill kids
unassumption 1 year ago
I despise it when people use religion as an excuse to commit horrible crimes.
AssilemUdol 1 year ago
Believing in the afterlife has nothing to do with the likelihood of a psychopath killing someone. Case in point-Jeremy Perkins, the schizophrenic scientologist who killed his mother. I'm pretty sure he wasn't doing it to "get her to heaven early" since scientlogists don't believe in heaven
Also, your words at 1:52 - 2:07 is evidence that the title of your video is more theoretical than a factual.
Not that it matters, but I'm a huge fan of you and your videos, but I think you are wrong here
BobThePatriot 1 year ago
@BobThePatriot
He wants to troll in order to get views. The video is 2 minutes long, his claims are unsubstantiated and his arguements are weak.
This guy is out of his intellectual depth when it comes to talking about anything other than e-begging or social decorum on youtube.
floppykid 1 year ago
I think what a lot of people are not getting is
1:52 - 2:07
rockerwere 1 year ago
Also, it's a little odd that controversial trolling videos, designed to get views, appear on your account when you achieve partner status. Ain't it Straightd0pe.
floppykid 1 year ago
@floppykid
Yes, straightd0pe. Why are you touching the controversial topics now that you're partnered, and only dealt with non-issues like G20 summit, trolls, e-begging and obnoxious people on youtube?
Oh, waidaminnit --
Dude, grow up and stop trolling.
mindofthewolf 1 year ago
@mindofthewolf
The G20 summit is the only thing you mentioned that has been discussed after he announced his partnership. You need to grow up and stop idolizing people on youtube above all reason.
He achieved some repute when he stuck to issues involving e-begging and assholes on youtube because they don't require alot of insight. Which is lacking from his videos concerning bigger issues.
He now resorts to making videos like this inflammatory, unsubstantiated nonsense to whore views.
floppykid 1 year ago
@floppykid
Your youtube page says, that you're 24 years old. But by the type of the replies and comments in the history list, leads me to believe, that you're half that age.
But okay. Let's ignore that I'm following straightd0pe's channel from almost the beginning and recognize to show things as they are rather than they should be; I'm going to assume, that you're a religious person, that didn't read the bible. Am I right?
Which makes me curious -- Truthful Christian -- Is that you?
mindofthewolf 1 year ago
@mindofthewolf
I'm not a religous person at all, and if you had bothered to read some of my earlier comments you would know that. I havn't read the bible, have you? If you havn't then you're in no position to comment on it.
Any other hackneyed inflamatory comments you want to make, or are you going to start thinking for yourself?
floppykid 1 year ago
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@floppykid
"I havn't read the bible, have you? If you havn't then you're in no position to comment on it."
Congratulations on stabbing yourself in the back. I couldn't do it better myself.
mindofthewolf 1 year ago
Also you claim that there's stories, like the one you outlined in your sensationalist piece, popping up "all the time". Care to verify that? No? I didn't think so.
This video, seeing its title and content, reeks of view whoring. Fairly hypocritical of you.
floppykid 1 year ago
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YOU HEARD IT HEAR FIRST PEOPLE THE VAST MAJORITY,......NAY ALL MENTALLY BABY KILLERS DO SO BECAUSE OF RELIGION!!!!
I used to think you were intelligent Straightd0pe, but I now realise you are thekind of guy who forsakes rationality to suit his own agenda.
floppykid 1 year ago
@floppykid Actually, no one heard that here because I didn't say that. I didn't even imply it.
straightd0pe 1 year ago 18
@straightd0pe I meant to say "mentally ill" but I'm sure you got the point.
I don't understand why you made this video, it just seems like an arbitrary attack on an already largely discredited institution. That lady was mentally ill, using religion as the reason for her killing her child is ridiculous. She would have been just as likely to had religion never existed. Humans are animals, and animals kill their infants. There is no anthropological reason, merely biological.
floppykid 1 year ago
@floppykid damn, you look like a jackass... what a dumb comment!!!
GravDiga 1 year ago
@GravDiga
What an articulate and well formed comment from another one of Straightd0pe's many intelligent fans.
floppykid 1 year ago
@floppykid :D
GravDiga 1 year ago
@floppykid well ya know what, go and read the bible there is one contradiction after another that "forsakes" rationality to suit its "own agenda"
The very fact that it is said and I quote again "the bible is meant to be interpreted in many different ways"!
WTF is that supposed to mean?
If you don't like someone just wip out the bible and interpret it in a way that suits your purpose?
Yea I think after 2000 years it is time to begin looking for some real answers to how and why we are here.
ratdoghippy 1 year ago
@ratdoghippy
Don't think I ever mentioned the Bible, at least not in that way.
What a stupid comment, please delete it and never speak to me again.
floppykid 1 year ago
@floppykid You really need to read the full comment before going off, perhaps its A.D.D. I dont know
But the comment stays because it is true, the whole purpose of the bible is to manipulated to suit the agenda of anyone who wants to use the bible for a tool of propaganda.
The whole saying "the bible is meant to be interpreted in different ways proves that."
It is just another contradiction showing what BS religion is.
Saying it is time to quit believing in this BS is not stupid at all.
ratdoghippy 1 year ago
@ratdoghippy
TheStraightviewwhore is attributing and blaming a woman's psychosis on religion. The argument is baseless, if he had perhaps used a more valid and endemic example of religion's brainwashing, perhaps it would be a salient video. It's not though. I suggest you calm down, stop letting your fanboyism cloud your judgement and think rationally.
floppykid 1 year ago
@floppykid
His point was that it's dangerous to tell someone who's mentally unsound that there is not life after dead :|. You need to pay attention. His video title had nothing to do with the video. You don't need to act like he kicked you in the balls.
LovelesEntertainment 1 year ago
@LovelesEntertainment
His provocative title had nothing to do with the the video? Sounds like Trolling for views to me.
English isn't your first language is it? Your comment made no sense.
floppykid 1 year ago
@floppykid
It obviously had been decipherable because you responded to it. You're cherry picking and avoiding my point, stay on topic. If I said that his video is trolling I'd have to say that religious videos on youtube are also trolling and I'm not willing to make that broad sweep just yet.
LovelesEntertainment 1 year ago
@LovelesEntertainment
Seriously, was "it's dangerous to tell someone who's mentally unsound that there is not life after dead :|." meant to make sense? I can't even think get the context right about that sentence. In this video he discusses two complete separate issues and attributes them to each other without foundation or sound evidence. That's trolling. Answer my question so I can try to be a little more tolerant of your terrible English. Is English your first language?
floppykid 1 year ago
@floppykid
YES! It IS dangerous to tell a mentally unsound person that it is life after death for the EXACT reason he mentioned. It's common sense. That's why politicians always has to be careful what they say. That's why rhetoric is always scrutinized. You're smarter than that man. You're smart enough to know that there are crazy people out there. My english has nothing to do with said video. Get the fuck off of it.
LovelesEntertainment 1 year ago
@floppykid I am replying to this comment that YOU DID MAKE in reply to straightdope. "I now realize you are the kind of guy who forsakes rationality to suit his own agenda."
That comment is at the very top of his video.
My reply only states the Bible is told it is to be interpreted in many different ways, has it not?
I did not say you mentioned the bible.
I said to GO AND READ THE BIBLE!
You really need to read the full comment before going off. I have notice people seem to do that
ratdoghippy 1 year ago
@ratdoghippy
I never used the bible as the basis of my argument. You're just going off on a tangent on it, thinking you're getting a one up on me. I don't know, maybe it's A.D.D. I don't want to read the Bible. Why don't you go read War and Peace, or The Prince or the entire Harry Potter series backwards or something. Seems just about as relevant to this conversation.
floppykid 1 year ago
The idea of a Christian going to heaven as the "end of the game" is a medieval notion that just has not died yet. There is more to the story and the game than the ending.
Furthermore you say "religion" as if it was an organized and unified whole. I would have caution before I try to pigeonhole all religions into the same category or belief in the same concept. Theravada Buddhists do not believe in life after death and some Hindus believe in another material life after death.
Divinecovenant0012 1 year ago
I understand your argument. All he is doing is directly applying the ideas of religion to real life. Aren't these kids in heaven? The mom potentially saved her kids from hell by sacrificing her own salvation. It is kind of like saying the Jews killed in WWII go to hell, because they aren't *insert non-Jewish religion here*.
When I was religious, the idea of an afterlife troubled me so much that I almost committed suicide just to see if it was actually possible (I know, suicide is a sin).
rrosiek 1 year ago
If you knew anything about religion, you'd know killing is a major sin in most of them, if not, all. Killing has no place in religions whatsoever. So the title is wrong. You're wrong. Religion is not a baby killer. Baby killers are baby killers.
fandanstan 1 year ago
@fandanstan do you live under a rock? have you actually read any Abrahamic religious text? The bible, the torah, the quran, all condone killing.
AtheistWithRage 1 year ago
@AtheistWithRage I'm sorry, but I'll have to ask you the same question. Have YOU read them?
I'm not familiar w/ the Bible and the Torah, but the Quran for one does not condone killing.
fandanstan 1 year ago
@fandanstan
I think, that you're misusing the words "LOL", "ROFLMAO" and "wowww". For instance the "LOL" factor of the statement "If you knew anything about religion, you'd know killing is a major sin in most of them, if not, all." is, when the one saying that states "I'm not familiar w/ the Bible and the Torah".
The "ROFLMAO" factor is, when one states "Quran for one does not condone killing.", and then you ask him, what happens, if someone wants to depart from Islam (Surah 4:89)
mindofthewolf 1 year ago
@mindofthewolf ROFLMFAO. Sorry man, but you're all sorts of funny. A sane man would read the entire context, not just one verse.
This verse refers to the non-muslims from Mecca who attacked the Muslims in Madinah. It gave the Muslims permission to retaliate in self-defence only.
This is what happened when you think you're smart, but you end up making yourself look like a fool.
Read the next few verses. I dare you.
fandanstan 1 year ago
@fandanstan
"This verse refers to the non-muslims from Mecca "
No it doesn't. The chapter itself doesn't state anything nor about Mecca nor any other city. And the verse itself says, that departure from the way of the Allah ends in death.
Also, the chapter itself says, that those who don't follow Allah are against it (they follow the path of Satan), and if you fight for Allah, rather than practice tolerance, you get brownie points with him.
mindofthewolf 1 year ago
@mindofthewolf Oh, so it must've taken place in the Arctic then! LMFAO
Didn't I tell you that you have no understanding of context? There's a historical context here. Did you even bother to read the verses before and after 4:89? I guess not, since you're making yourself look even stupider by replying w/ such idiocy.
fandanstan 1 year ago
@fandanstan
"Did you even bother to read the verses before and after 4:89?"
No. I was just guessing. Satan there and fighting those who don't follow the Allah are also guesses.
mindofthewolf 1 year ago
@fandanstan "If you knew anything about religion, you'd know killing is a major sin in most of them, if not, all."
You're kidding, right? In the Bible God endorses killing gays, people who don't listen to priests or judges, witches, false prophets, people who curse at their parents, people who belong to other religions and so on. Of course in the bible says "Thou shall not kill" in there. It also says, that you should be killed for working on sabbath day.
Is the bible fun or what?
mindofthewolf 1 year ago
Just because you believe in afterlife doesn't mean you don't value life. and considering atheists don't believe in afterlife what does killing a baby mean to them? I am not a christian, but I don't think it's right to blame Christianity for the actions of Christians. Yes, the lady who killed her babies was crazy, but to blame it religion isn't logical. If people actually followed the teachings of Christianity we really wouldn't have this problem. The basis of Christianity is to live as Jesus did
TheK1dProd1gy 1 year ago
very sad of affairs
sneakybutcher1 1 year ago
First and foremost, thanks for taking the time to make this video for us. It just irritates me when I see some of these dipshit comments that people make. It's supposed to be "Straight-Dope", but it defeats the purpose when people don't get the message in the videos.
TheFaceMeIter 1 year ago
Duality is a primitive understanding of oneself.
How many suicides are based on, “I’ll show you”, thinking that they will be there for the show.
AntEyeTheist 1 year ago
God is completely imaginary.
wjfox2006 1 year ago
Not far from where I live in Scotland there is a hill called suicide hill (10 points if you can guess why) It's a fucking big hill with a vertical cliff drop down into a forest of big spikey trees. A few years back a woman went up there with her two kids in a pram, pushed the pram off the side and then jumped herself. In her suicide note, she wrote that she did not want to live anymore and her children would be better off with god. Says it all really. great vid dude...
1brutaldeath 1 year ago
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OgreTheKid 1 year ago
@1brutaldeath Some guy once calmly cut off his hand and microwave it because it was possessed by Satan. The Atheist Experience covered it.
OgreTheKid 1 year ago
Point one : The video title screams 'HIT ME" so loud it had to be intentionally provocative as to drive viewer count. That doesn't impress me at all given your youtube partner status. Point two : a number of youtubers have made the point already that whack jobs use religion to do wacky shit. What you said isn't necessarily wrong, but it is way overstated.
Lordgaraj 1 year ago
I think he got it just about right
awesomemohawk 1 year ago
I agree with your reasoning, but don't you think you're being a little bit of a shit disturber? You named your video "Religion is a Baby Killer"! I personally think it's hilarious though, keep up the good work.
DebugOctopus 1 year ago
Interesting. More pouring hot water on the flower though while the root stems are still safely covered in soil. Not enough digging.
Xnopmat 1 year ago
This guy obviously doesn't understand the concept of the Kingdom of God. That's why, Christians at least, try as hard as they can to stay on this 'fucked up planet'. Christians trying as hard as they can to bring this Kingdom of peace and justice to Earth. Say what you want about beliefs of the afterlife, but you can't say that the Kingdom of God is in anyway a bad thing, if people continue to build it through peaceful means.
ChezzyKnytt 1 year ago
@ChezzyKnytt Religion is a lie, it's just another pill to get you high, No one knows where you go when you die. One only has to look at the proof. Look at the cults (Christianity being one of the biggest) that push the so called "Kingdom of God"
bullshit on children like a pedophile robing a child's innocence. Yes religions do some good but it is certainly not worth the cost. A good starting point would be to tax all religions to help fix the economic disaster in America. It's not about "God"!
johnmingolla 1 year ago
This is pretty close to a straw man arguement. Religon is an ideal much like anything else. If we proposed the woman just killed off her kids rather then the abusive father because she concluded that 'It was better off for them to be dead then to suffer' can be used as an atheist point of view. I have never seen any strong numbers to show religion as a major factor to homicides or suicides for that matter. If you have a sources to show this suggestion I would love to see it.
Wizo25 1 year ago
@Wizo25 Why do you say it's close to a straw man? All I'm saying is that religions make unfounded claims about death that I don't think most people really believe. Sometimes people with unsound minds actually act on this claim and do horrible shit like this.
If an atheist decided to kill her kids in order to prevent some form of suffering, presumably the person would have a better idea of the gravity of her actions and wouldn't be acting on the premise that they're going to paradise.
straightd0pe 1 year ago 11
@straightd0pe
You 'think' most people don't believe in it. That's quite a tall order for an opinion to generalize at. Your message seems to direct that people of any faith do not believe in. That's why I am asking for sources to support your claim. On both sides of the aisle I see such remarks about people of faith and without faith. You can state people of faith may not beleive in what they follow but there has to be some sort of evidence to prove this. (Continued)
Wizo25 1 year ago
@straightd0pe
Also I am trying to understand if you are saying a normal Athiest or of Elaine Campione. Now if you are saying Elaine was an atheist and would act differently thenI respectfully disagree on such an assumption. Elaine could easily twist a non-theist view and still beleive that it was better off for her children to die then live a horrible life with their father.
I think the afterlife is more of a part instead of a central theme for many religions.
Wizo25 1 year ago
@straightd0pe That's assuming that atheists always think rationally and the reality is that it just does not happen that way. Whether the motive for murder is religious or atheistic, the end result is the same. In reality your argument in this video is a fallacy of questionable causes. Just because A can be associated with B does not mean that A is the cause of B.
Divinecovenant0012 1 year ago
@straightd0pe
That second paragraph is ridiculous and shows what an idiot you are.
A religous mentally ill person is somehow more likely to murder because there mnight be a paradise afterwards? While an athiestic person with issues is less likely to adopt this irrational viewpoint and then, according to your logic, is less likely to murder someone?
Sorry buddy, it doesn't work that way, and unless you have reputable statistics to back you up, you are just showing everyone your prejudice.
floppykid 1 year ago
@straightd0pe
"Why do you say it's close to a straw man? All I'm saying is that religions make unfounded claims about death that I don't think most people really believe."
It's a straw man because religion is a broad word.
VegasSkateCulture 1 year ago
@straightd0pe
Did the woman do so with the direct intention of sending the children to heaven?I know many Atheists who use sentences such as "go to hell" and "Good God" of course this means nothing. The mother's intent wasn't "my kids need to die to go to heaven" it was more along the lines of " I can't let my children live in pain." To be honest Dope, I like you and your videos a lot, but again you would have less enemies if you simply tried to be more sympathetic and understanding.
Aurelian603 11 months ago
@Wizo25 Because one or two insignificant brats are okay. As long as people continue to buy into lies that make me feel comfortable.
The world is a better place now.
Truthfully, I am not sure what to think about this event. I am glad that they wont need to grow up with an abusive father but saddened that no one could give the woman enough assurance that such could not happen.
Myself, I find the petty laws of debate can be bent when it comes to saving human lives. That is just opinion though.
ClaireLytton 1 year ago
Believers are generally pro-lifers, taking this into consideration, you're finding a few bad apples and labeling the whole bunch so, maybe think before you make another ignorant video based solely on the concept of "Heaven".
blackcrow6667 1 year ago
@blackcrow6667 I think you missed the point.
straightd0pe 1 year ago 20
@straightd0pe Not really, no. You're scapegoating religion because of a few sick members "Religion is a Baby Killer". One could just as easily attack atheism or any ideology in the same way but hey, if your dope is straight, your next video should be about the lyrical content in metal songs that drive people over the edge; looking forward to it.
blackcrow6667 1 year ago
@blackcrow6667 It's split down the middle. I'm semi pro-choice but it's more complicated than that for me. However, this video was not about abortion.
Divinecovenant0012 1 year ago
@Divinecovenant0012 You're right, this video is not about abortion, it's about stirring the pot and gaining subscribers. Abortion ties into this because Christians do not advocate death (as a rule) to innocent children so any misconception ultimately lies with the believer.
blackcrow6667 1 year ago
@blackcrow6667
The idea that life after death is a delusion that most people don't believe in anyway is false. People want to live on earth because earth is a nice place. Most people don't know for sure in there is life after death, so they enjoy life, and hope for the best when the time comes. How ever NDE's speak the truth. Morons haha.
VegasSkateCulture 1 year ago
Splendid! I've actually never thought of it that way before. Great point!
OgreTheKid 1 year ago
I think it's the first video I see where you criticize religion. Finally!
ChiNoRondoX 1 year ago
inb4 bible loving nerd rage
DakotaZ162 1 year ago
religion or not she had problems and would have killed her kids i believe. she just thought she was doing the right thing, while we all know killing two kids is wrong in her mind it was good. most chritians find killing to be wrong she did it just she had problems. i think this issue is more on her mental then her faith
ttrop 1 year ago
Awesome video, I however also think the "sane" people should be reasoned with. You cant be sane whilest believing in heaven
brace110 1 year ago
i don't think i subscribed to you. stop fucking hacking you stupid dumb piece of shit
lolhowdoishotweblol 1 year ago
Heh. Religion is oxymoron within itself ^ ^
mindofthewolf 1 year ago
2:20 err, that's not a christian sign at all.
And yay, speaking of baby killing, did you jerk off today? ;D
kageromaru 1 year ago
0:13 FUCK YEAH <3333
bunnygotfree 1 year ago
start a mailing list dude. the subscription policy is fraudulent.
oldhacks 1 year ago
I think some people are missing the point of this video
Leadman1989 1 year ago
It reminds me of the Elizabeth Smart case going on right now in Salt Lake (nov 11 2010 ) one religion nut needs to prove he is jesus. Even among all the Mormans he doesn't stand a chance with that hair brained deal. The general public does know the facts even if they are Mormans..
no1saphead 1 year ago
Actually, most people who believe in Heaven would believe killing someone would damn them, with certain exceptions... People who kill others because they would be "better off" generally think the world is so fucked up that not existing at all is eternal bliss in comparison to our finite years here.
mywingsareyours 1 year ago
Seriously! Do more videos mate, you are one of my favourite youtubers
ultimateinfinite 1 year ago
So God was watching me beat off 12 times that one day? What a perv!!!!!
MagnusIan 1 year ago
They are sad for the death of loved ones because even if you will see them one day, they're still gone, and it's not a logical process.
Both the acceptance of religion and grief.
KnightTemplar108 1 year ago
Baby Jebus sees me when I poop =(
GodlessManitoban 1 year ago
Maybe they're worried that they themselves or their loved one are sinners and that they won't be in the same place after they're both dead. Also, I've heard some BS that some christians believe that our relationships with other people, even family, is purely terrestrial and that once you die and go up to heaven you won't be hangin' out with your buddies who died decades previously, you'll be basking in God's glory. If that's the case then mourning makes sense. I don't believe any of it myself.
zmeier01 1 year ago
As a polar opposite of whats being espoused on the Thunderf00t channel right now, I actually prefer the videos you make when you bitch about someone. Hope theres some more of them in the pipeline. : )
DynamiteCooMonster 1 year ago
great video, you summed up my thoughts brilliantly, keep it up!
A736staz 1 year ago
The amount of babies killed by religious driven parents is negligible and without religion there would probably be just as many parent killed babies. This is a bad example you bring up. Religion is like a dictatorship: it has the potential to be very good or bad but most often ends up bad, and it would often be better if people just made choices based on their internal values and desires. Because of the reformation and enlightenment this is what people do with Christianity, but Muslims haven't.
failedassassin 1 year ago
Wow so she blamed religion for killing her babies?...
TearsOfWar1 1 year ago
I think the issue is that they do believe, but usually recognize the fundamental weakness in their position. As such anyone who reminds them of this reminds them of their mortality.
Konform2zoidberg 1 year ago
I totally agree with you on this video straightdope. You presented the facts in a clear and conceise manner with great evidence. Im sorry people but ive personally witnessed this kind of shit in my own life with my mother and with serving the army in general. Its ugly and raw like a sewer system. Sorry folks wake up and stop lying to yourself that the world is full of goodness 24/7.Think for yourselves and stop being sheep!
gravekeepersven 1 year ago
Great video!
ReligiousJezta 1 year ago
All do i like most of your vids i think this is just low. Point is people will kill people no matter what cind of ideas that is out there. By the way im shure there are storyes of atheists cults were people comits mass suiside ore people kill themself becous theyr beliefs if extinguished by atheist ideas. Any idea is dangerous taken to the extreme. so stopp making silly vids like this...I must say im suprised. I realy didnt expect something that weak from you.
saltfan2 1 year ago
@saltfan2
There are no cults of atheists.
However, communism can be used as the counter example.
Grimbot2 1 year ago
@Grimbot2 I disagre. There are ot of Cyberspace comunities witch have all the elements of a cult only diference is that its on internet and not in person. Id say Inmendham is a prime example of such an atheist cult leader.
saltfan2 1 year ago
@Grimbot2 I disagre. There are ot of Cyberspace comunities witch have all the elements of a cult only diference is that its on internet and not in person. Id say Inmendham is a prime example of such an dangerous atheist cult leader.
saltfan2 1 year ago
This video is a bit..off in tone then your usual ones.
Even without religion some people are possessive of those they call their own to the point, "If I can't have them, nobody can"
Indeed, the point of those killing is the thought "I'll spare them a cruel life" for whatever reason.
AlexphoenixWing 1 year ago
@AlexphoenixWing That of course happens as well; but that doesn't negate the fact that on a fairly regular basis there are people who kill loved ones based on the premise that they aren't really going to die. Not only will they not die, but they'll be much better off, in eternal bliss! Would those people do the same thing if they hadn't been told that fairy tale? I tend to doubt it.
straightd0pe 1 year ago
Ironically, the same cognitive dissonance is evident in "right to life" rhetoric.
If terminating a pregnancy is wrong because a fetus is endowed with a soul at the moment of conception, then terminating the pregnancy isn't doing anything but sending that soul to the vast, eternal, perfect amusement park...
Unless of course they believe that an ominbenevolent god sets unborn souls on fire forever for the sin of not yet being baptized.
DeathofSpeech 1 year ago
you wouldn't happen to know NOBSTV, would you?
silverhawkroman 1 year ago
they should kill her so she can go be with her kids again -_-
kainniak1 1 year ago
Too bad not all people in religion act like that,
such as 'terrorist' Muslims. Are they all terrorists?
455Dan554 1 year ago
@455Dan554 i dont care that not all ppl who believe in god dont go around killing. i care that any ONE person kills any other ONE person in the name of god. if i was a god and some killed in my name, id kill that person, god doesn't need our help, if he is real at all. if nothing bad ever came from religion i wouldn't bother me, but it does. we need to get rid religion if only to save the future lives of kids.
kainniak1 1 year ago
@455Dan554 the fact that any god would let any mom kill their own kids, makes me sick to my stomach.
kainniak1 1 year ago
@455Dan554 Of course they aren't... Just as not all christians are like the nutters in the Westboro Babtist Church. Just because not everyone wants to hijack planes in no way means that we shouldn't have airport security. Not everyone wants to steal your car... but you still lock your door... yadda yadda :)
adsensus 1 year ago
The title of the video really caught my attention heh..
But yeah, you're right straightd0pe, you can't really comitt immoral acts in the name of lack of something.. but you certainly get encouraged by the name of religion
KarinMikazuki 1 year ago
if i were religious this video would only strengthen my faith, ur example of people not actually believing in an afterlife because they mourne and dont try kill themselves just doesnt cut it, maybe they mourne cuz they r not with them anymore? and killing urselfs a sin or w/e
fuckshit485 1 year ago
@fuckshit485 I wouldn't mourn the fact that a loved one is now paradise, where I will join them soon enough and be with them for eternity. It'd be like mourning the end of a TV season.
Killing yourself may be a sin, but if one really believes in heaven why wear a seatbelt? Why get vaccinated? Why get chemotherapy when diagnosed with cancer?
straightd0pe 1 year ago 5
@straightd0pe yeah u wouldnt mourne their destination but u would mourne their absence and im sure being reckless with ur life is probably just as bad as commiting suicide somehow
fuckshit485 1 year ago
@straightd0pe I'd chalk it up to survival instinct, I don't perticularily like the argument "If you believe in heaven why are you trying so damn hard to keep living?" it's a natural desire to survive kinda hard to fight the only people that seem to fight it are completely lost mentally or have something they feel is worth dying for (parent protecting child, person fighting for a cause etc.)
LastOptionPils 1 year ago
@straightd0pe
Argument can work in both ways.
If one doesn't believe in heaven, why bother trying to do anything in your life if you're just gonna die? It's not like you'll get to see future generations enjoying whatever you accomplish.
It doesn't matter if people with serious mental illnesses believe. Schizophrenics often think that there's mass conspiracy against them and they start attacking those who they think are part of it. So should society be blamed? Of course not!
Grimbot2 1 year ago
@Grimbot2 I don't think it does work both ways. If you know that you have one life, one shot, you're more likely to try to make the most of it. You're not just killing time, waiting to get to the "real" life that's waiting for you.
Should society be blamed? No, because that doesn't do any good. But a dishonest tenet that teaches both adults and children that there's something better after death should certainly get blame when it's cited as a motive for killing people out of love.
straightd0pe 1 year ago
@straightd0pe
Perhaps religious people don't wanna just kill time too? :)
As a motive by mentally ill people. It's illness that makes them do what they do. Not religion. Not movies. Not cartoons. And not video games.
Grimbot2 1 year ago
@Grimbot2 Agree. People kill people. Not anything else.
mywingsareyours 1 year ago
@straightd0pe No, you'd mourn the fact that they're not w/ you in THIS world. You'd miss them, etc etc.
Why wear a seatbelt? Because your state in the afterlife is dependent on this life, as most religions believe. Thus, you'd try to stay alive to do as much good as possible. Right? RIght?!? lol
fandanstan 1 year ago
@fandanstan
"Because your state in the afterlife is dependent on this life, as most religions believe."
So, if you die in this life, you're dead in the afterlife. Got it.
mindofthewolf 1 year ago
@mindofthewolf HAHA wowww, you grossly misunderstood. ROFLMFAO Sorry for laughing so much, but your comment was soo full of hilarity. ahahahahaha
Hilarity aside, what I meant was what you do in this life depends on the next life. Bad person in this life = bad afterlife (suffering, etc).
Good person = good afterlife.
Got it? LOL
fandanstan 1 year ago
@fandanstan
"Bad person in this life = bad afterlife (suffering, etc).
Good person = good afterlife.
Got it? LOL"
Dead person in this life = dead person in afterlife. Got it.
mindofthewolf 1 year ago
@mindofthewolf You have a gross misunderstanding of the afterlife. The soul does not die. I guess you don't call yourself 'mindofthewolf' for nothing.
fandanstan 1 year ago
@fandanstan
"You have a gross misunderstanding of the afterlife."
According to the people that deal with astrology, homeopathy and other pseudo-scientific drivel, I have a gross misunderstanding of those things as well.
"The soul does not die."
There are no scientific evidence for a thing called "soul".
"I guess you don't call yourself 'mindofthewolf' for nothing. "
That's a strawman and has nothing to do with any of my statements.
mindofthewolf 1 year ago
@mindofthewolf I'm glad you've admitted that you have a gross misunderstanding of many things. I see no reason to argue with you now that you've admitted that.
Thank you.
There's no scientific evidence that your mother loves you. Does that mean she hates you? No.
You assume the soul doesn't exist merely because it's not written down in scientific literature.
fandanstan 1 year ago
@fandanstan
"There's no scientific evidence that your mother loves you. Does that mean she hates you? No."
This statement is truly idiotic on so many levels. Not only that that statement has nothing to do with the debate, that I'm not sure why I'm still wasting my energy on, love can be proven on molecular level as well as on level of social interactions.
mindofthewolf 1 year ago
huh
Katfellow 1 year ago
So, because something may cause someone who is irrational and mentally-unstable to do something evil or unjust, we need to get rid of it?
Sounds to me like the kind of logic used against violent video games. “Yes, we should ban all video games because they cause children who can’t distinguish from right and wrong, and who are probably mentally-unstable to begin with, to gun down their classmates at school!”
r3v3ng3ofthef4113n 1 year ago
@r3v3ng3ofthef4113n
And you don't see the why the influence of a god would be more destructive than the influence of a video game? And yes! we should be working to rid the fucking planet of bad ideas.
Sarahon06 1 year ago
@r3v3ng3ofthef4113n
Indeed.
Grimbot2 1 year ago
I liked it. I would have gone the "piety serves as a pretty good cover for delusion" road myself, but I suppose with her having tried to kill herself already it's not necessarily applicable.
Jermbot15 1 year ago
This video is a disgusting attack on people with mental illness. Not everyone who suffers from a mental illness is a danger to themselves, their children or others. There are people who you work with, who you see on tv, your neighbors and so on who live with mental illness. I really wish you would differentiate from things like depression or manic depression and others who are on medication to control the symptoms and those with far more serious conditions and are not being treated.
christo930 1 year ago
@christo930 What did I say that you interpreted as an attack on people with mental illness?
straightd0pe 1 year ago
@straightd0pe "People with mental illness murder their children"... Most of the video isn't as direct as that one statement, but in trying to criticize religion, I think you went a little too far. Overall, I agree that religion causes certain people to do dumb things, but I think we should try to be understanding of those people with mental illness. I myself suffer from major depression, but I would never harm anyone.
christo930 1 year ago
@christo930 uhh... you do realized you can the the time in the vid to where he said that, so we don't have to watch again just to see what you're saying.
;d
666norton420 1 year ago
@christo930 It may sound slightly disconnected the way I recorded it, but that statement is connected to the previous one ("these cases pop up all the time"). "These cases" are of particular mentally ill people doing similar things. It's not a categorical statement about mentally ill people, but the people who do this do happen to be mentally ill. I would never "attack" people with mental illness. Everyone has been personally affected by mental illness in one way or another.
straightd0pe 1 year ago
@straightd0pe This is your WORST video. Good god. This is childish nonsense. And yes, you stigmatized the mentally ill. Jesus...er...no pun. Ok, people are not going to stop believing there might be something better than this life, LOL religion didn't cause that belief, religion was invented around the HUMAN propensity for wondering about that shit. Grow up! This video shocks me, you're not this stupid. And the shock value of a mentally ill person killing their children? WTF is wrong w/you?
booboonation 1 year ago
@booboonation If you think I'm stigmatizing the mentally ill here, you're completely misinterpreting what I've said. The people who end up doing this are mentally ill. Is that a statement about all people will mental illness? Of course not.
Why do you think the chicken or the egg argument has any relevance? We propagate (or tolerate) the idea that death leads to something better and we open the door for people who don't have a firm grasp on reality to act on that idea.
straightd0pe 1 year ago