5.- The proof is VIETNAM, SOMALIA and more...when USA is alone is just NOTHING without us and the help from other countries. They think they are the "model" nation, thats why common people attack USA territories. Americans attack but they don´t like to be attacked.. and all that is BS. Thats the PRINCIPAL reason they got a lot of "enemies" like they call us.
3.- They "won" against Germany and Japan just because the "secondary" countries supported them with supplies and people to work, but americans don´t say that.
1.- Adding a neutral comment too, Comparing USA and Russia is obvious that RUSSIA won, win and will win against USA, I haven´t been brainwashed and i live in Mexico, just near USA... the most part of the people read the "americans" articles and thats why they think they always got the reason.. if they would live, outside, in the REAL WORLD, they would know reality is other.
Ever read about how America screwed the Russians after the war by not even letting them keep so much as a certain bridge after all the hard work and brave fighting? And then after we said no, we blew up that bridge shortly after. I'd be pissed at us too. We occupy most of the counties that were involved in WWII but wouldn't even split part of that with Russia. I think that's pretty effed up!
You're forgetting the Italians mate... Oh, and the Irish, the Scottish, and pretty much every other country in Europe that had to buckle under larger empires during the 18th and 19th century.
djax4mvp you don't know your history= "How bout killing all the Indians, stealing their territory and resources and putting them in concentration camps?" What Communism did was to accelerate history on a different tangent than Capitalism did. The only lucky break that America had was a vast land, with vast resources and no organized modern army to fight. That's all, different periods, different people, same methods and same crimes. There just weren't that many millions to kill. Don't vaunt.
Just wanted to add one kindda important fact about Russians and Americans and all that stuff...I am from Croatia btw so i speak from kindda neutral point of view. Who again stopped the WW2? Who again was conquered Berlin?...Though so.Red Army.
@Sitni88 I don't know if u aware of this but Croatians fought on the axis side and when the war ended the Soviets took control of eastern europe and many people living there at the time thought they were worse than the nazis. It was merely a replacement of one dictator for another.
I'm still trying to learn, but it's hard to find anyone to teach it in the states. Unless you go to a major university. I think I'll have to try and learn it on my own. Just hard to practice with others here. But Russia is uchi harasho! I hope I said that right.
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you're right, how bout i be a soviet. lets kill all those peaceful protestors. lets use all of our economy on nuclear weapons and space ships even though the dollar is better off being burned for warmth. lets keep communism around by building a wall so nobody can get out of this place they hate so much. lets not let anybody speak out, lets censor the real news that would expose communism, and put in the news we want our people to hear. lets pay everyone thesame so nobody wants to work hard
I know that before lenin die, the revolution followed an other path, that wasn`t the best way(i think) , it was only an economic way and the humanist way was not taken into account.
But, how can you speak about the Berlin`s wall when in the south of your country there was a wall since 1994 like the Berlin`s wall.
Of course, America is the only country to use an Atomic weapon in aggression, but we are also one of the only countries that said sure, we'll cut half our program if you cut half yours. There have been many other countries to use Atomic weapons.
I'm sorry I should have been more clear. Many countries have used atomic weapons in tests, not aggression.
@ Teknojunkie
Where do you get your info on how America screwed Russia? As I was taught Russia kept all the land they conquered and the after effects resulted in what is called the cold war. America "freed" ever country we took.
it helps to read ALL history, not selective propoganda. hallarious that you put freed in quotations because that is the extent of it. how else can we explain the presence of american troops in europe and their bases long after soviet union disbanded, other than typical american imperialistic ambitions. same reason they are in korea and would never leave iraq and afghanistan unless thrown out like in vietnam. typical distortion from you we have come to expect.
ALL history is what I read, from Communist authors to Americans. I put freed in quotes because I read all history. We are in Korea because if we werent it wouldnt be North and South just Korea. We are in Iraq because believe it or not, some Iraqi's actually support our war on Al-Qaeda. Also, every country in the history of man kind has left puppet governments in the places they conquered. You know why? It saves you the trouble of "freeing" them again when a dictator takes over.
so when are we going to free ourselves from the "freedom loving" profit mongering multi national corporations, and their lackeys, the so called major parties, who serve them. maybe it would save us too! at the minimum it will save me the tax dollars they gave to their rich boys under the stimlus that turns up as bonuses. big fat ones. in iraq for oil. money. what freedom when we armed and supported saddam prior to his expansionist dreams. my bad! he was not a tyrant then torturing his people!
one Korea! what a novel idea! so who is keeping it divided but the "freedom loving" occupiers with their soldiers. as for some in Iraq wanting us there, you are right. the puppets and those who would personally gain from selling their country. freeing them again from who? those who disagree with your views? would you still prescribe to this twisted logic if you were under Iraqi occupation? guess not! convenient answers wouldn't cut it then. typical American jingoism.
Also, where do you read your information. I have never once read that we were thrown out of Vietnam. We withdrew because the average American citizen got tired of sending young men to die for a cause they didn't believe in. Guess what happened after we withdrew, NVA forces moved in and mowed down all who stood in their way. Yeah America has done some crappy things for profit, but there' nothing like killing 40million of your own people to win a war eh?
thrown out, running to catch the last helicopter on the rooftop or any other euphomism you choose, the vietnamese showed you the door much like they did the french before. for the uniformed, it was 20 million russian. and last i check they died courageouslyfighting the germans to liberate their own country, if it was not for their sacrifice you would be speaking german now! because any objective historian would agree russians took the brunt of german military while US was out in pacific!
You call me out on propagandist preaching but I look at you anti American sentiments and I see the lies that were fed to you. I think it takes more courage to go around the world to die for somebody else's sake and with no gain for you, as an individual. As for the Vietnam conflict, do you realize American troops killed NVA at a 40-1 rate. For every American killed 40 Vietnamese soldiers died. We were never thrown out of Vietnam.
the only one you die for without gain is the rich man who owns you as a wageslave and for his ideas and profit he sends you to die. the saddest part is how he has brainwashed you to accept this and proudly defend him. as for the kill ratio, you can kill the body but the spirit grows. when you leave without doing what you started at such costs it is called quiting, losing, kicked out... you choose what's most comfortable for you.
Mate... If you were an American soldier, you are one of the worst. You probably picked up your heels and turned blue when the bullets started flying, I've got family and dear friends in Iraq as we speak. I had family in both WWs Korea Nam and Operation Desert Storm, if you know what its really like to bury a family member who died in service for their country I will give it to you that its a bitch, I didn't much like America after that, but our freedoms far surpass others.
As for continuing to flood this users video, I will do it no more. Your points are easily countered and your facts reek of opinion. There is no truth and it's mostly fiction. You write as though you are twelve years old and I don't wish to troll with you anymore. So sit down, suit up, and shut up. This fight continues no more.
typical ultra-right wing personal attacks. when faced with FACTS proclaim them falseor opinion , and finally in a manner befitting a child resort to namecalling as you take your ball and leave the field pouting. just as well. your propoganda has no place on a video than honors those who fought and died bravely against putrid ideals of those who subscribe to your imperialistic global visions.
mate?! now who in america uses that terminology? and u preach about knowing an american or two! as for your chauvenistic views of freedom, well like i said before. jingoism and that is why we are so "loved" across the world, the new president has to give fence-mending speeches in cairo and repaint her sullied images.
The south Vietnamese government even begged us to stay. You say I speak with "typical American jingoism" I take it you don't know many Americans. A lot of Americans hate war and would rather not be in one. Just like in every other country, its the loud minority which make the silent majority suffer. I've already mention that the American Government does stuff for profit or for reasons the common person wont understand. Its not always for the best and sometimes it is for the worst.
i live and work in america. and wore its uniform and buried a family member who died wearing one. as for your assertion that american's are such pacifists, i laugh. never heard so many beat their chests so loudly before invasion of iraq, until the results turned opposite of their wishful thinking. the fact that your stooges in south vietnam begged you to stay goes to show how the average vietnamese despised them and you and your phoney freedom.
And then America in WW2. Russia fought on one front. The Eastern European front, while America fought on 3. North Europe, Africa, and the Pacific. Russia didn't fight Italians or any major Japanese forces till the very end of the war. Also look at the battles that took place. Russia like always relied on the winter to kill the enemy and then attacked in the thaw. America had consecutive naval assaults against a hardened enemy without losing men in the millions.
and when faced with loosing a million to conquer japan what did the freedom lovers do? exterminated two cities with full populations with 2 bombs! bin laden killed 3000 with 4 planes and we rightfully call him a terrorist for killing CIVILIANS. what should we call you for destroying 2 cities in the most inhumane way and killing 100 more times in civilians so your BRAVE soldiers won't die fighting the japanese army? nuke the civilians cuz we got moral standards. pleeease!
Italians?! anyone who couldn't subdue a joke of a eithiopian army can not be called a worthy adversary. lets get real. the rest were riding hitler's coat tail and even he despised carrying mussolini. and by all independent counts the greater majority of hitler's military was in the east. the real war was there and the casuality figures on both sides compared to the rest of the war support that. america was using the opportunity to get new colonies in the pacific.
How come all your references are over two generations old? Are you so stagnant that someone's grandfather's actions are to keep with them for a lifetime? Thats a sort of ridiculous of liberal guilt which creates chains and is hypocritical. How about you take an effort to work with the people you debate, which would be a step in showing the same diplomacy that you want America to use in international relations. Right now, you're pretty much being ignorant and racist against Americans.
the age of the referrences reflect the nature of the debate, if you can actually follow it genious. if it centers on the cold war era to introduce other things would do what? as for your kind and passionate views of me, i would not want to steal those titles from you , for THOSE are the precise views of Americans not just in the developing world, but your pals the eurpoeans. ill-informed, racist,loud, pushy and with an memory span of a fly.
Zeb, you say you worked for America, fought for America, but you constantly put her and her allies down. Get your shit together and stop f*cking off. I live in AMERICA I use the term "mate", meaning there is at least one American who does.
If you are so pro Russia and so against the "imperialist pig" of America and so educated in the history of the world. You would know that Russia was THE biggest imperialist forcing all its satellite nations to produce only for the main land.
its called freedom of expression. something i carried a rifle for. you should try it too! and as for your assertions regarding imperiaism, did you arrive at that all by yourself or by glancing at some "independent" fox news propoganda? was it Rush, o'rielly, or hannity? unfortunately rightwingers ALWAYS speak with a forked tongue. they speak of freedom and expression as long as its not the one's they are debating! then is f... off and blasphamy! hypocrites
Get your ass in gear and stop being a moron. You should fact check 90% of the sewage that spews from your keyboard, and then you can come back to a historical debate.
But thats my point, in that its not the nature of the debate. You're equating events run by people no longer alive to culture of my age, the 26 and under crowd. What debate is that? You have no true message but blind hate, no point, no structure, and your last reply held no merit. Especially the part where you tried to lump in all Europeans with all Americans in some sort of over generalized, nonsensical statement.
they called us the babyboomers. now i fully understand why they call you the lost generation! what culture is that? rap, crack and living in moma's house? if you had any wisdom, which i doubt, i pointed out the DIFFERENCE between US of A and europe, not LUMPED them together. with that type of knowldge i can see why youth in USA represent such high levels of unemployed. who wants to hire a GENIE-ASS. GO NOW! ASK MOMMY for a cookie.
I live in my own apartment, nearly finished college. You, apparently, have all day to gripe and moan in some nursing home. You lumped 350 million Americans into a single, poorly structured, overgeneralized You-Tube comment. Reread the sentence you wrote. You can't drop in an out of sarcasm like that in text.
Its a shame they didn't teach proper writing skills in your day, but I guess you were just happy to get to school after some sort of 15-mile walk... going uphill both ways... heheh
Unlike you Zebtuzba, I actually read. I don't watch television, I don't listen to the "I'm better than them and here's why speeches" I don't hate a country for wanting to fill its coffers and putting its people second, I don't call my fellow debaters names after I have been dis-proven many times, and last of all I don't call anyone who disagrees with me a hypocrite... No...
disproven by what? opinions? everyone has them, you and me! facts young man. facts. and given the reference to 40 million as russian casualities one must wonder the sources and their motives. that was the only "fact" you threw out there and it was simply wrong. so i am not sure what you read but next time don't accept it gullably.
Instead I read, I study, I'm just out of high school yet I seem more worldly than you... You should read more, you'll seem like less of an ignorant bigot, and you will actually rise in your peers eyes instead of turning into a zealot. Also as you said before; "typical ultra-right wing personal attacks" I think you should turn it around and direct back at your self. You are the typical uneducated peon who believes to strongly to notice anything else.
temper temper young man. now who is spewing venomous names? practice what you preach! HYPOCRITE. as for reading, when you get past the comic section of that daily rag you read, maybe you could start with more serious works. as for me, i am perfectly comfortable with what my graduate studies enlightened me with. as for you, maybe you should go back and retry your senior year in high school. it won't hurt!
own my home. have an MS in econ. ( no nearly there!) , work (something you may undertake one day) , and yes walked a few miles with a ruck sack and a rifle wearing the unifrom carrying a wounded comrade so you can have your freedom to have your milk and cookies in your dorm room. don't want nor care for your appreciation because i did it for the right reasons. heheh. want to laugh? enjoy, because it was old folks like me and my generation that gave it you. take that 2 the bank.
Ha, now I know you lie. Graduate studies? that's BS if I ever heard it. You're useless when you lie because you can't. It's common knowledge that Stalin killed 40milion of his own people, just as Mao killed several of his. 50% of that was to win a war when he thought, hey! If they don't die by enemy bullets, lets have them die by ours. You say you fought for this country and somehow managed to do 8 years in college and you type like a 6th grader. I know HS students who debate with more finesse.
Stalin purposely killed a few million of his people, for political reasons. I hate Stalin. He wasn't a communist, he was a dictator. However, he didn't kill 40 million people. What people neglect is that nearly 30 million people died in Ukraine from a famine. So, unless Stalin controlled the weather and made it so that all of Ukraine's crops died out, then he didn't kill 40 million people. Mao killed Nationalists. Lincoln killed 1,250,000 Americans. By your standards.
The "sociale-démocrates" ideas are a kind a socialism. In this kind, we need of a democratic gouvernment, but he must be strong. It is enter thecenter idea and the communism idea... but really not radicalist in comparaison.
And I say: Long life to the Canada, this beutifull country and long life to Québec, my dear homeland, and his great nation, free of the canadians imperialists and federalists.
I totaly agree with your opinion... I always talk that the real freedom is not in the capitalism, the church power or in the gouvernements of "droite". I am not communist... but I am "social-démocrate" and I am sure that the communism is not the hell that the frenchs and americans capitalists massacred not long ago.
I say: Vive le Québec libre... mais avec un gouvernement socialiste.
we don't need your pitty you fucking capitalist pig! i pitty your country electing obama and shit! and that just shows how much better the red army was then americas forces they still survived to take berlin and hold americas hand through the entire war.
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Haha! They sent their troops with only half having guns to a certain death, with no respect to invidual life, and now they make an epic movie of bravery and epicness. There was nothing epic or brave in that movie. The Soviet leaders fucked their people, and the people still doesnt realize that. I pity the russians, really.
Im so tired of telling people this but here we go(The Real Zaitsev not once gave any mention of them going on suicide charges let alone getting 1 rifle to everyother man-Zaitsev and his unit were fully prepared even before the crossing-each man was given a PPSH submachine gun and a mosin rifle.
Russians had honor! They fought for they country! They knew that they were going to did, but they didnt give up! They fought for the next generations and didn't care for themselves. You can see this in the history of lots of countries. Like mine. (Bulgaria). If it wasn't for russians bravery and honor the world was probably going to be ruled by fascism now! Maybe I'm a kid but even i can tell that!
Yeah, we'd be ruled by fasism if the russians didn't fight. So they killed fasism and eastern europe was ruled by comunism. Hooray!
However, I strongly disagree with konnnu - many countries sent their troops to certain death, but these soldiers fought for their country with patriotism in their hears. If they didn't fight or they were taken as war prisoners, Stalin would kill them anyway, so I guess it's better to die fighting then get killed by your leader.
In the last days of the 6th german army in Stalingrad,german soldiers killed each other and the officers died of a mysterious disease called "the 6th army's heart": that's what hitler did to his people in a stupid war against Bolshovism and inferior(?)races.During the war in Stalingrad a new make of Russian machine gun was designed and mnufactured,people lived and fought for their city and Stalin while germans were watching the sky for junkers plane to throw them food.This the difference.
5.- The proof is VIETNAM, SOMALIA and more...when USA is alone is just NOTHING without us and the help from other countries. They think they are the "model" nation, thats why common people attack USA territories. Americans attack but they don´t like to be attacked.. and all that is BS. Thats the PRINCIPAL reason they got a lot of "enemies" like they call us.
charly7894 3 weeks ago
4.-Their men were outside while people like us, MEXICANS, COLOMBIANS, ECUATORIANS... were taking care of their home and their industries..
charly7894 3 weeks ago
3.- They "won" against Germany and Japan just because the "secondary" countries supported them with supplies and people to work, but americans don´t say that.
charly7894 3 weeks ago
2.- To be honest, USA is just a country made of people from other countries, thats why "they" don´t got HISTORY.
charly7894 3 weeks ago
1.- Adding a neutral comment too, Comparing USA and Russia is obvious that RUSSIA won, win and will win against USA, I haven´t been brainwashed and i live in Mexico, just near USA... the most part of the people read the "americans" articles and thats why they think they always got the reason.. if they would live, outside, in the REAL WORLD, they would know reality is other.
charly7894 3 weeks ago
Not one step back!
milvipes 9 months ago
Ever read about how America screwed the Russians after the war by not even letting them keep so much as a certain bridge after all the hard work and brave fighting? And then after we said no, we blew up that bridge shortly after. I'd be pissed at us too. We occupy most of the counties that were involved in WWII but wouldn't even split part of that with Russia. I think that's pretty effed up!
Teknojunkie069 2 years ago
I have that film :P. poor sasha!!
BerserkJheova 2 years ago
nice film,,,,
666rado666 2 years ago
Viva Russian brothers!
ParatrooperSrb 2 years ago
You're forgetting the Italians mate... Oh, and the Irish, the Scottish, and pretty much every other country in Europe that had to buckle under larger empires during the 18th and 19th century.
Jkarinen 2 years ago
djax4mvp you don't know your history= "How bout killing all the Indians, stealing their territory and resources and putting them in concentration camps?" What Communism did was to accelerate history on a different tangent than Capitalism did. The only lucky break that America had was a vast land, with vast resources and no organized modern army to fight. That's all, different periods, different people, same methods and same crimes. There just weren't that many millions to kill. Don't vaunt.
calmaciurma 2 years ago 4
good song but i have to say Stalingrad was a killing feild but it was not like like it was more of gurellia with hand to hand and snipers
MrRussia45 2 years ago
Just wanted to add one kindda important fact about Russians and Americans and all that stuff...I am from Croatia btw so i speak from kindda neutral point of view. Who again stopped the WW2? Who again was conquered Berlin?...Though so.Red Army.
Sitni88 2 years ago 7
Who again killed millions of their own people just to convince the others to advance? The Red Army.
Who would have killed millions more just to prove a point in Berlin? The Red Army...
Who sent 30% of their own troops into combat with out ammunition or a weapon? The Red Army...
Who could have ended the war about 12 months before Russia showed up if it wasn't for operation Market Garden? Patton...
Jkarinen 2 years ago
@Sitni88 I don't know if u aware of this but Croatians fought on the axis side and when the war ended the Soviets took control of eastern europe and many people living there at the time thought they were worse than the nazis. It was merely a replacement of one dictator for another.
StrongGayBlackMan 11 months ago
Russia huge and strong:) I'm Hungarian the Russians my friends and I learning Russian was obligatory
Slava Russia!
Slava krasnaya armija!
flighthun 2 years ago 2
I'm still trying to learn, but it's hard to find anyone to teach it in the states. Unless you go to a major university. I think I'll have to try and learn it on my own. Just hard to practice with others here. But Russia is uchi harasho! I hope I said that right.
Teknojunkie069 2 years ago 2
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you russians are all brainwashed
djax4mvp 2 years ago
a yanki shouldn`t talk about politic :)
AnarcoSocialista 2 years ago
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you're right, how bout i be a soviet. lets kill all those peaceful protestors. lets use all of our economy on nuclear weapons and space ships even though the dollar is better off being burned for warmth. lets keep communism around by building a wall so nobody can get out of this place they hate so much. lets not let anybody speak out, lets censor the real news that would expose communism, and put in the news we want our people to hear. lets pay everyone thesame so nobody wants to work hard
djax4mvp 2 years ago
I know that before lenin die, the revolution followed an other path, that wasn`t the best way(i think) , it was only an economic way and the humanist way was not taken into account.
But, how can you speak about the Berlin`s wall when in the south of your country there was a wall since 1994 like the Berlin`s wall.
AnarcoSocialista 2 years ago
And your country not only makes nuclear or atomic bombs, your country uses it.
And you say that in your country are liberty of expresion ? or your country not censor the real news about Cuba?
AnarcoSocialista 2 years ago
Of course, America is the only country to use an Atomic weapon in aggression, but we are also one of the only countries that said sure, we'll cut half our program if you cut half yours. There have been many other countries to use Atomic weapons.
Jkarinen 2 years ago
only country to use but many have used it. typcal confused distortions and self-contradictions you use in your posts.
zebtuzba 2 years ago
I'm sorry I should have been more clear. Many countries have used atomic weapons in tests, not aggression.
@ Teknojunkie
Where do you get your info on how America screwed Russia? As I was taught Russia kept all the land they conquered and the after effects resulted in what is called the cold war. America "freed" ever country we took.
Jkarinen 2 years ago
@ JKarinen
it helps to read ALL history, not selective propoganda. hallarious that you put freed in quotations because that is the extent of it. how else can we explain the presence of american troops in europe and their bases long after soviet union disbanded, other than typical american imperialistic ambitions. same reason they are in korea and would never leave iraq and afghanistan unless thrown out like in vietnam. typical distortion from you we have come to expect.
zebtuzba 2 years ago
ALL history is what I read, from Communist authors to Americans. I put freed in quotes because I read all history. We are in Korea because if we werent it wouldnt be North and South just Korea. We are in Iraq because believe it or not, some Iraqi's actually support our war on Al-Qaeda. Also, every country in the history of man kind has left puppet governments in the places they conquered. You know why? It saves you the trouble of "freeing" them again when a dictator takes over.
Jkarinen 2 years ago
so when are we going to free ourselves from the "freedom loving" profit mongering multi national corporations, and their lackeys, the so called major parties, who serve them. maybe it would save us too! at the minimum it will save me the tax dollars they gave to their rich boys under the stimlus that turns up as bonuses. big fat ones. in iraq for oil. money. what freedom when we armed and supported saddam prior to his expansionist dreams. my bad! he was not a tyrant then torturing his people!
zebtuzba 2 years ago
one Korea! what a novel idea! so who is keeping it divided but the "freedom loving" occupiers with their soldiers. as for some in Iraq wanting us there, you are right. the puppets and those who would personally gain from selling their country. freeing them again from who? those who disagree with your views? would you still prescribe to this twisted logic if you were under Iraqi occupation? guess not! convenient answers wouldn't cut it then. typical American jingoism.
zebtuzba 2 years ago
Also, where do you read your information. I have never once read that we were thrown out of Vietnam. We withdrew because the average American citizen got tired of sending young men to die for a cause they didn't believe in. Guess what happened after we withdrew, NVA forces moved in and mowed down all who stood in their way. Yeah America has done some crappy things for profit, but there' nothing like killing 40million of your own people to win a war eh?
Jkarinen 2 years ago
thrown out, running to catch the last helicopter on the rooftop or any other euphomism you choose, the vietnamese showed you the door much like they did the french before. for the uniformed, it was 20 million russian. and last i check they died courageouslyfighting the germans to liberate their own country, if it was not for their sacrifice you would be speaking german now! because any objective historian would agree russians took the brunt of german military while US was out in pacific!
zebtuzba 2 years ago
You call me out on propagandist preaching but I look at you anti American sentiments and I see the lies that were fed to you. I think it takes more courage to go around the world to die for somebody else's sake and with no gain for you, as an individual. As for the Vietnam conflict, do you realize American troops killed NVA at a 40-1 rate. For every American killed 40 Vietnamese soldiers died. We were never thrown out of Vietnam.
Jkarinen 2 years ago
the only one you die for without gain is the rich man who owns you as a wageslave and for his ideas and profit he sends you to die. the saddest part is how he has brainwashed you to accept this and proudly defend him. as for the kill ratio, you can kill the body but the spirit grows. when you leave without doing what you started at such costs it is called quiting, losing, kicked out... you choose what's most comfortable for you.
zebtuzba 2 years ago
Mate... If you were an American soldier, you are one of the worst. You probably picked up your heels and turned blue when the bullets started flying, I've got family and dear friends in Iraq as we speak. I had family in both WWs Korea Nam and Operation Desert Storm, if you know what its really like to bury a family member who died in service for their country I will give it to you that its a bitch, I didn't much like America after that, but our freedoms far surpass others.
Jkarinen 2 years ago
As for continuing to flood this users video, I will do it no more. Your points are easily countered and your facts reek of opinion. There is no truth and it's mostly fiction. You write as though you are twelve years old and I don't wish to troll with you anymore. So sit down, suit up, and shut up. This fight continues no more.
Jkarinen 2 years ago
typical ultra-right wing personal attacks. when faced with FACTS proclaim them falseor opinion , and finally in a manner befitting a child resort to namecalling as you take your ball and leave the field pouting. just as well. your propoganda has no place on a video than honors those who fought and died bravely against putrid ideals of those who subscribe to your imperialistic global visions.
zebtuzba 2 years ago
mate?! now who in america uses that terminology? and u preach about knowing an american or two! as for your chauvenistic views of freedom, well like i said before. jingoism and that is why we are so "loved" across the world, the new president has to give fence-mending speeches in cairo and repaint her sullied images.
zebtuzba 2 years ago
The south Vietnamese government even begged us to stay. You say I speak with "typical American jingoism" I take it you don't know many Americans. A lot of Americans hate war and would rather not be in one. Just like in every other country, its the loud minority which make the silent majority suffer. I've already mention that the American Government does stuff for profit or for reasons the common person wont understand. Its not always for the best and sometimes it is for the worst.
Jkarinen 2 years ago
i live and work in america. and wore its uniform and buried a family member who died wearing one. as for your assertion that american's are such pacifists, i laugh. never heard so many beat their chests so loudly before invasion of iraq, until the results turned opposite of their wishful thinking. the fact that your stooges in south vietnam begged you to stay goes to show how the average vietnamese despised them and you and your phoney freedom.
zebtuzba 2 years ago
And then America in WW2. Russia fought on one front. The Eastern European front, while America fought on 3. North Europe, Africa, and the Pacific. Russia didn't fight Italians or any major Japanese forces till the very end of the war. Also look at the battles that took place. Russia like always relied on the winter to kill the enemy and then attacked in the thaw. America had consecutive naval assaults against a hardened enemy without losing men in the millions.
Jkarinen 2 years ago
and when faced with loosing a million to conquer japan what did the freedom lovers do? exterminated two cities with full populations with 2 bombs! bin laden killed 3000 with 4 planes and we rightfully call him a terrorist for killing CIVILIANS. what should we call you for destroying 2 cities in the most inhumane way and killing 100 more times in civilians so your BRAVE soldiers won't die fighting the japanese army? nuke the civilians cuz we got moral standards. pleeease!
zebtuzba 2 years ago
Italians?! anyone who couldn't subdue a joke of a eithiopian army can not be called a worthy adversary. lets get real. the rest were riding hitler's coat tail and even he despised carrying mussolini. and by all independent counts the greater majority of hitler's military was in the east. the real war was there and the casuality figures on both sides compared to the rest of the war support that. america was using the opportunity to get new colonies in the pacific.
zebtuzba 2 years ago
@zebtuzba
How come all your references are over two generations old? Are you so stagnant that someone's grandfather's actions are to keep with them for a lifetime? Thats a sort of ridiculous of liberal guilt which creates chains and is hypocritical. How about you take an effort to work with the people you debate, which would be a step in showing the same diplomacy that you want America to use in international relations. Right now, you're pretty much being ignorant and racist against Americans.
CPatricoo 2 years ago
@Cpatricoo
the age of the referrences reflect the nature of the debate, if you can actually follow it genious. if it centers on the cold war era to introduce other things would do what? as for your kind and passionate views of me, i would not want to steal those titles from you , for THOSE are the precise views of Americans not just in the developing world, but your pals the eurpoeans. ill-informed, racist,loud, pushy and with an memory span of a fly.
zebtuzba 2 years ago
Zeb, you say you worked for America, fought for America, but you constantly put her and her allies down. Get your shit together and stop f*cking off. I live in AMERICA I use the term "mate", meaning there is at least one American who does.
If you are so pro Russia and so against the "imperialist pig" of America and so educated in the history of the world. You would know that Russia was THE biggest imperialist forcing all its satellite nations to produce only for the main land.
Jkarinen 2 years ago
@ JKarinen
its called freedom of expression. something i carried a rifle for. you should try it too! and as for your assertions regarding imperiaism, did you arrive at that all by yourself or by glancing at some "independent" fox news propoganda? was it Rush, o'rielly, or hannity? unfortunately rightwingers ALWAYS speak with a forked tongue. they speak of freedom and expression as long as its not the one's they are debating! then is f... off and blasphamy! hypocrites
zebtuzba 2 years ago
Get your ass in gear and stop being a moron. You should fact check 90% of the sewage that spews from your keyboard, and then you can come back to a historical debate.
Jkarinen 2 years ago
DAMN! sound like your fat pig idol rush i do no pills limp-baugh. the best you can do to refute any point is an exasperated tirade. yep! limp-baugh.
zebtuzba 2 years ago
@zebtuzba
But thats my point, in that its not the nature of the debate. You're equating events run by people no longer alive to culture of my age, the 26 and under crowd. What debate is that? You have no true message but blind hate, no point, no structure, and your last reply held no merit. Especially the part where you tried to lump in all Europeans with all Americans in some sort of over generalized, nonsensical statement.
Lastly, You misspelled "genius", idiot.
Consider suicide. Racist.
CPatricoo 2 years ago
@CPatricoo
they called us the babyboomers. now i fully understand why they call you the lost generation! what culture is that? rap, crack and living in moma's house? if you had any wisdom, which i doubt, i pointed out the DIFFERENCE between US of A and europe, not LUMPED them together. with that type of knowldge i can see why youth in USA represent such high levels of unemployed. who wants to hire a GENIE-ASS. GO NOW! ASK MOMMY for a cookie.
zebtuzba 2 years ago
@zebtuzba
I live in my own apartment, nearly finished college. You, apparently, have all day to gripe and moan in some nursing home. You lumped 350 million Americans into a single, poorly structured, overgeneralized You-Tube comment. Reread the sentence you wrote. You can't drop in an out of sarcasm like that in text.
Its a shame they didn't teach proper writing skills in your day, but I guess you were just happy to get to school after some sort of 15-mile walk... going uphill both ways... heheh
CPatricoo 2 years ago
Unlike you Zebtuzba, I actually read. I don't watch television, I don't listen to the "I'm better than them and here's why speeches" I don't hate a country for wanting to fill its coffers and putting its people second, I don't call my fellow debaters names after I have been dis-proven many times, and last of all I don't call anyone who disagrees with me a hypocrite... No...
Jkarinen 2 years ago
disproven by what? opinions? everyone has them, you and me! facts young man. facts. and given the reference to 40 million as russian casualities one must wonder the sources and their motives. that was the only "fact" you threw out there and it was simply wrong. so i am not sure what you read but next time don't accept it gullably.
zebtuzba 2 years ago
Instead I read, I study, I'm just out of high school yet I seem more worldly than you... You should read more, you'll seem like less of an ignorant bigot, and you will actually rise in your peers eyes instead of turning into a zealot. Also as you said before; "typical ultra-right wing personal attacks" I think you should turn it around and direct back at your self. You are the typical uneducated peon who believes to strongly to notice anything else.
Jkarinen 2 years ago
temper temper young man. now who is spewing venomous names? practice what you preach! HYPOCRITE. as for reading, when you get past the comic section of that daily rag you read, maybe you could start with more serious works. as for me, i am perfectly comfortable with what my graduate studies enlightened me with. as for you, maybe you should go back and retry your senior year in high school. it won't hurt!
zebtuzba 2 years ago
The world will truly be a better place without you.
Jkarinen 2 years ago
and wishing my demise is more acceptable than calling names?! practice what you preach! HYPOCRITE
zebtuzba 2 years ago
@CP
own my home. have an MS in econ. ( no nearly there!) , work (something you may undertake one day) , and yes walked a few miles with a ruck sack and a rifle wearing the unifrom carrying a wounded comrade so you can have your freedom to have your milk and cookies in your dorm room. don't want nor care for your appreciation because i did it for the right reasons. heheh. want to laugh? enjoy, because it was old folks like me and my generation that gave it you. take that 2 the bank.
zebtuzba 2 years ago
Ha, now I know you lie. Graduate studies? that's BS if I ever heard it. You're useless when you lie because you can't. It's common knowledge that Stalin killed 40milion of his own people, just as Mao killed several of his. 50% of that was to win a war when he thought, hey! If they don't die by enemy bullets, lets have them die by ours. You say you fought for this country and somehow managed to do 8 years in college and you type like a 6th grader. I know HS students who debate with more finesse.
Jkarinen 2 years ago
@Jkarinen
Stalin purposely killed a few million of his people, for political reasons. I hate Stalin. He wasn't a communist, he was a dictator. However, he didn't kill 40 million people. What people neglect is that nearly 30 million people died in Ukraine from a famine. So, unless Stalin controlled the weather and made it so that all of Ukraine's crops died out, then he didn't kill 40 million people. Mao killed Nationalists. Lincoln killed 1,250,000 Americans. By your standards.
KittyRokher 9 months ago
@KittyRokher i think that over nine millions of indians turn your opinion up. извини за херовый английский
erudeus 8 months ago
Yankee, a term more suited for a person from the north east united states.
Jkarinen 2 years ago 4
The "sociale-démocrates" ideas are a kind a socialism. In this kind, we need of a democratic gouvernment, but he must be strong. It is enter thecenter idea and the communism idea... but really not radicalist in comparaison.
And I say: Long life to the Canada, this beutifull country and long life to Québec, my dear homeland, and his great nation, free of the canadians imperialists and federalists.
VincentDeMontmirel 3 years ago
And KaelBlutelf, I understand that your family was not the most happy of all, but for me the english canadian capitalist are wronger criminal again.
If the only thing that succes to go out of your mouth is the anger, please close it, that becomes heavy and useless.
This message is for everyone. We are on a enternet page, not in a politic "journal".
Thanks for your compreantion and long live to the "gauche"'s ideas.
VincentDeMontmirel 3 years ago
I totaly agree with your opinion... I always talk that the real freedom is not in the capitalism, the church power or in the gouvernements of "droite". I am not communist... but I am "social-démocrate" and I am sure that the communism is not the hell that the frenchs and americans capitalists massacred not long ago.
I say: Vive le Québec libre... mais avec un gouvernement socialiste.
VincentDeMontmirel 3 years ago
whats social-democrate ?? communism ? HA The only way to develop a nation is capitalism, mixing with some socialists ideas.
I say: Long live an united Canada free of separatism.
Hernanbarna 3 years ago
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retard..... do you really know what communism causes?? hou? do you know?
under the communism, people died more than in every other regim.
My familie was haunted for 20 until break the iron curtain when they came to germany.
So fuck you retard. You are not better than nazis, rapers and all that shit wich fight the jihad for they insane god
KaelBlutelf 3 years ago
отличное видео
ursscccpsssr 3 years ago
When is this movie coming out and if i has already come out when did it?
Imnothecrazyone 3 years ago
we don't need your pitty you fucking capitalist pig! i pitty your country electing obama and shit! and that just shows how much better the red army was then americas forces they still survived to take berlin and hold americas hand through the entire war.
flyingweasal007 3 years ago
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Haha! They sent their troops with only half having guns to a certain death, with no respect to invidual life, and now they make an epic movie of bravery and epicness. There was nothing epic or brave in that movie. The Soviet leaders fucked their people, and the people still doesnt realize that. I pity the russians, really.
Konnnu 3 years ago
Im so tired of telling people this but here we go(The Real Zaitsev not once gave any mention of them going on suicide charges let alone getting 1 rifle to everyother man-Zaitsev and his unit were fully prepared even before the crossing-each man was given a PPSH submachine gun and a mosin rifle.
SashaVedernikov 3 years ago
Russians had honor! They fought for they country! They knew that they were going to did, but they didnt give up! They fought for the next generations and didn't care for themselves. You can see this in the history of lots of countries. Like mine. (Bulgaria). If it wasn't for russians bravery and honor the world was probably going to be ruled by fascism now! Maybe I'm a kid but even i can tell that!
t3hdewd 3 years ago 3
going to die*, their country*, excuse me
t3hdewd 3 years ago
Yeah, we'd be ruled by fasism if the russians didn't fight. So they killed fasism and eastern europe was ruled by comunism. Hooray!
However, I strongly disagree with konnnu - many countries sent their troops to certain death, but these soldiers fought for their country with patriotism in their hears. If they didn't fight or they were taken as war prisoners, Stalin would kill them anyway, so I guess it's better to die fighting then get killed by your leader.
sugil 3 years ago
In the last days of the 6th german army in Stalingrad,german soldiers killed each other and the officers died of a mysterious disease called "the 6th army's heart": that's what hitler did to his people in a stupid war against Bolshovism and inferior(?)races.During the war in Stalingrad a new make of Russian machine gun was designed and mnufactured,people lived and fought for their city and Stalin while germans were watching the sky for junkers plane to throw them food.This the difference.
sanatclara 3 years ago 2
If You were in Stalin place, what would You do?
"ohhhh please Hitler don't invade me"
Slaviccommie 3 years ago 3
true true but what choice did they have
relentlessaddict98jm 3 years ago
great music, great movie
jonnysaunders27 3 years ago 4