im an christian arab & im proud of our arabic/islamic history & im telling the zionists in USA who think they r christisns : u have nothing 2 do with jesus or christianity its our jesus its our Nazareth its our Bethlehem its Our relegion , so shut up ! u dont need 2 be muslim or christian or jew 2 c the turht u need be an human being as first! the palestinians muslisms & christians r suffering under israel & we as christian arabs will support our muslim brother by fighting 4 freedom
Muslims believe that they are not fallen and have no need for a SAVIOR.
Because Muslims are not saved they need to do GOOD WORKS and Islam teaches that people are born innocent and remain so until they make themselves guilty by a guilty deed in order to gain salvation. This explains why they like to KILL others and with the blood of others on their hands is GOOD WORKS for them and they think this will gain them their salvation.
What about all the wars of America since WW2, the purely offensive wars against farmers and other 3rd world people. Did America gain independence the Gandi or Jesus way? Is it not America that has launched the most invasions, military strikes, dropped the most bombs and killed the most civilians, always against poverty stricken people and still defend theselves against the f16s, WMD and fascist soldiers of the USA
WHAT THE WEST NEEDS TO KNOW is that The Talmud is the most hateful anti-Gentile teachings is full of heinous, inhuman, and utterly dreadful cruel verses, the most inhuman book ever written. The main themes of Talmudic or scriptural instruction are to kill, deceive and destroy CHRISTIANS and using the name of God.
"And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death."
Jesus is the Corner Stone and His saints are the lively stones. The lively stones are commanded to speak the Truth. Those who reject it face the 2nd death (the first death reigned from Adam to Moses Rom 5:14)
It is God Who will destroy both body and soul in hell.
And so, back to the Koran which incites the masses to carry out violence...
That's true... what Jesus meant was that a sick world would never accept his message of peace, and it has not.
Jesus is actually a great prophet in Muslim faith, so what the Fox people fail to mention was that the Muslims accept many of Jesus' teachings as well (mostly the "love and peace" part they're so fond of championing).
I agree with alot of what you saying but where i disagree is that the koran does allow forced conversions. Islams whole goal is to take over the world. If read the koran and hadiths and it specifically mentions that non-muslims have 3 choices. Convert to islam if not, pay the jiyza and accept second class status if not then prepare for war. Its right there in the hadiths.
disadvantages? They treat non-muslims like animals. Not only will you have to submit to a tax but also accept second class citizenship and who knows what the hell they do to you. Ive heard some horror stories. This religon parallel's hitlers mein kemph
Perhaps you would like to compare dhimmitude to what the Spanish did to the Muslims and Jews after the Reconquista? The second class status thing is a myth. Many Jews rose to very high ranks inside the Islamic government. Also, according to Islam, dhimmi means non-Muslims paying the jizya tax are under the protection of Allah and that Muslims have to honor business with them. To today's world it may not seem toleran, but it was tolerant back then.
Reconquista? We are talking about today. Right now. You are telling me that non muslims are treated fairly in the Islamic world. To own a jewish or a christian bible is a crime in Saudi Arabia. How to the muslims treat their Catholic friends in the Phillipines. How about the Christians in Iran, or Pakistan. Now, how to the America treat muslims. They give them healthcare, wellfare and freedom of religion
The terrorists are also hypocrites. If their leaders were really as fanatically religious as they claim, they would know that the Qur'an states that Israel was set aside for Jews. I'm not supporting zionism (massive refugee crisis), but going against a Jewish state is going against the Qur'an. Also, the Qur'an doesn't allow forced conversion or the killing of innocent civilians or fellow Muslims. Neither does it permit suicide (suicide/homicide isn't martyrdom.
I'm not saying Islam is perfect- it definitely needs to be modernized and secularized. Start with abolishing Sharia law. If there was Christian law, rape victims would have to marry their rapists and girls who had sex before marriage would get stoned to death. Obviously, the Christians had some sense and didn't follow Biblical laws. The Muslims, well, not that lucky.
Uhhh...Yeah. Why do you think there was dhimmitude in Islamic lands? The Qur'an states that people should come to Islam from their free will, not force.
Jews, Christians, Sabians, Zoroastrians, ect lived in Islamic lands during the Middle Ages without persecution. The reference you pull up is probably a command in a war, similar to Blblical commands for genocide against Canaanites.
Oh yeah. The quran forbids killing innocent civilians. Give me a break. I have read the Quran and have seen the scripture that says to kill the infidels. To take their fingers at the joints, and what about weman. Is it required that they are covered from head to toe and have their clitoris removed. Why isnt anyone stopping that brutality done on your own people. 72 virgins in heaven as a reward. That is crazy talk. I cant except it
To jsilva: First of all, the 72 virgins can also translate as raisins. Second, there was actually a debate over whether the Qur'an actually tells woman to cover their faces ("cover sexual aspects, not the face.) Second, the verse you talk about is a command during wartime, like in the Bible (kill all non-virgins, or the genocide against Canaanites.) Isn't having your clit removed kinda like circumcision?
Having your clit removed is not like circumcision. 72 virgin could be raisins. That is laughable. You are alleging that the Quran doesn't preach to kill non believers. I have a copy of the quran with well over a hundred sciptures that specifically states to use violence on non muslim people. It says to decieve Christians and Jews. Muslims must never befriend them either. Come on
You DO realize that Judaism and Christianity hae=ve similar scriptures, right? What you are doing is similar to what anti-Semites do to the Talmud: misquote them to make it look as if Jews can lie to gentiles. The Qur'an doesn't advocate violence against non-believers. All of them are JUST COMMANDS DURING WARTIME, LIKE IN THE BIBLE. Plus, it's a common misconception that Muslims can't marry people outside there faith. It's not recommended, but it's not forbidden.
Your comment trips easily from your keyboard, but can you back what you say?
You cannot demonstrate an equivalent to violent jihad in the Bible. Specifically, wars in the Bible are historical events. Jihad, on the other hand, must be waged until the world submits.
Religions are NOT all the same. Just like politics.
Then make a categorical and specific refutation instead of a general dismissal. He just reports what the Koran, Sira and Hadith prescribe. Find where he is in error and let us know. Otherwise, "the ignorance will go on," won't it.?
Are those the ones that think Israel has a right to exist? And let's be honest, the Koran doesn't exactly make it easy for Muslims to befriend anyone, does it?
Koran 5:51 "O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk."
no Zionist Jews are the ones who think they have a right to all the land they left over a thousand years ago. Menachem Begin asserted that Jews had a right to ALL of pre-1922 Palestine, including Jordan and that the arabs had to leave. He was also a terrorist who attcked the British forces, of which my grandfather was one, Israel was founded on terrorism.
Robert Spencer is lying!!! Search on "Robert Spencer on Islam: REFUTED" on youtube and see for yourself?
The video proves that Muhammad (pbuh) was forced to fight. If you are creating a connection between terrorism and Islam then how come you don't follow the same logic for Holocaust/brutal Colonialism and Christianity.
well well another muslim in denial. I suggest you read the ibn ishaq by tabiri to become enlightened as to the terrorism of mohammmed and then study the bloody trail of islam thru history. This religion is extrememly violent and has no virtues. Islam has brought nothing to the people of the area except death destruction and human suffering.
when a christian kills someone it is against the teachings of bible,when a muslim perpetrates violence he is going against the teachings of the qur'an
really shows how much some of these ignorants know about islam. you'd find it interesting that alot of these people who perpetrate violence and glorify bin laden are also racist and like to curse alot. both against the teachings of islam
Ok so these terrorists glorify bin laden and cuss a lot, does that mean they are not following quran when committing terrorists acts? read quran my friend and find all of the bloody inspiration and justification any mass murderer could hope for.....islam should be outlawed in the west
no they aren't sir muhammed said in one of the hadiths that killing women and children is strictly prohibited. there is a total ban in islam towards killing innocents(israelis don't qualify as innocents). i read qur'an you idiot. i don't know where you got the strange idea that not only do you have the expertise to interpet the qur'an but to ignorant and boastfully claim it supports random killings. you are a shame go wipe yourself off
your antisemitism is showing. Yes i have read the quran and it is the most pathetic thing ive read.The quran condemns itself by calling Jesus a liar about mark 10:33,34 with surah 4:157. If Jesus was incorrect then he would be a false prophet, but the quran calls him a true prophet so the quran condemns itself. If Jesus was right then islam is false. you lose either way
i could care less. they aren't civilians there militarized jarheads who are all in the military and are taught in school that arabs are subhuman. first of all we don't take the new testament seriously and second of all i'm pretty sure that's your own intepretation of those verses. if jesus was god then how come he prayed to god?
this attitude of yours proves perhaps what the jews say about the arabs, but i prefer to listen to what God say and these are the words that prophesy Ishamel and by extension arabs,,,Gen 16:12
12 "He will be a wild donkey of a man,
His hand will be against everyone,
And everyone's hand will be against him;
And he will live to the east of all his brothers."
it would be interesting to note that i'm not an arab. it would also interest you to know that only the liberals wich are a minority don't worship war in israel.
genesis is CORRUPT. also a wide intepretation. the bible says to sacrifice pagan priests btw
be being a muslim you are an adopted arab, you took shahada in arabic, you read quran in arabic, you listen to quran chanted in arabic, you must pray in arabic, you took an arabic name......in other words the local moon god deity allah of arabia only could understand arabic. Now imaging if you will a god so stupid he could not transcend language and you think this ignorant god is the creator???? i am rolling on the floor laughing at your stupidity
"when a muslim perpetrates violence he is going against the teachings of the qur'an"
No. The koran only considers believers to be innocent. Infidels are to be converted, humiliated, must pay the jizyah or face death.
9:29 Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.
you guys are such idiots. any quote that says muslims kill is part of a story in the Qur'an. it does not say that is what muslims should do. Muslims are allowed to ONLY defend themselves against oppression, being attacked, or having their land taken away from them. It says that specifically in the Qur'an. A christian can not tell Muslims what the Qur'an says because you know nothing of it except what you have heard in the media, so quit spewing hatred and lies against Muslims you retard
Noble Verse 5:32 "...if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people..."
Noble Verse 41:34 "Nor can goodness and evil be equal. Repel (evil) with that is better: Then will he between whom and thee was hatred become as it were thy friend and intimate!."
this verse (surah 5:32) was intended for jews, why dont you post the whole verse?
Secondly this is almost verbatim from the jewish talmud circa 2nd century over 400 years BEFORE mohammed and allah. Mohammed stole from every source he could
because mohammed couldnt read means nothing, he could have listened to stories of others, fell down into one of his seizures, pretended he was getting revelation and then repeat the story he heard. By the way this is even a charge against mohammed in his own quran.....lolololol
when seeking spiritual guidance where did mohammed go? to a dark cave. God is light, mohammed didnt want light. mohammed met some angel in a cave, he didnt speak with God but some angel....2 Cor 11:14
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
hey roach your ignorance about islam is only surpassed at your complete lack of knowledge about the Holy Bible. any time you want to debate me in a public chat area like yahoo or paltalk let me know. I love destroying islam one person at a time.
fancy debating on a real topic and not a book written by man for political purposes? give me one bit of proof, beyond the bible, for the existence of god. and it must be a proof that passes Occams razor. see all christians are sectrely atheists, do you believe in Zeus? Set? Horus? I bet you don't. so why do you believe in the christian god beyond you were raised into it.
"God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (The Noble Quran, 60:8)"
"Say, 'The truth is from your Lord': Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it):......(The Noble Quran, 18:29)"
"And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for God. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrongdoers. (The Noble Quran 2:193)"
"Again and again will those who disbelieve, wish that they had bowed (to God's will) in Islam. Leave them alone, to enjoy (the good things of this life) and to please themselves: let (false) hope amuse them: soon will knowledge (undeceive them). (The Noble Quran, 15:2-3)"
Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors
"But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in God: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things). (The Noble Quran, 8:61)"
"And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for God. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrongdoers. (The Noble Quran 2:193)"
Robert Spencer is not an islamophobe. Spencer is a moneygrubbing fraud who found an ingenious way to
channel peoples rascism and fears into buying his
awful books. Here is a man who claims to speak for human rights, yet defends Guantanamo, claims that claims of torture in Abu Ghraib were exaggerated and actually(thats my favourite) tried to convince his readers at Jihad Watch that the pictures of the Qana massacre were staged.
this is what has become of fox news.. this is the low they reached which cannot get any lower! they bring a known hater of islam to discuss islam and dont bring anyone credible to counter the argument.. nice journalism! but hey.. this is fox news.. bigotry against muslims is what they preach here!
He has no credibility. None of his works have ever been published in any university press. Just another zionist islamaphobe spewing nothing but hate and propaganda.
Fox is such crap. How about having somebody with an opposing view? He mentions Gandhi - Gandhi didn't have the same views on Islam as this crackpot does.
Yea, i believe the jew...Did he mention the Rosenbergs, Pollards, Franklins, 911, USS Liberty? The israeli transfer of vital American military tech to the CHINESE MENACE or to south American drug runners?....He cares about America right?..I just must have missed it..
Prophet was an excellent embodiment of moral commitment according to Koran. He did not violate the rules in Koran. He was recognized far & wide as truthful and best in manners. He enjoyed respect of millions because he had a strong commitment to the truth. He was acknowleged because he was truthful to the word of Koran & his own. His influence has been uprecedented because of these qualities and Allah's help.
Compiled & documented sources other than Koran from the post Islamic history by learned people are acceptable as long as they comply with Koran and do not contradict Koran. Koran has precdence over other sources. Prophet is an embodiment of mercy for mankind and all kinds according to Koran.
Allah's final world is Koran and also it is not possible to believe in the judgment day without believing in all prophets, angels, Injeel, Taurah and Koran.
Innumerable Muslims today are not well read about Koran & Islam and the reactions are local and energized by zealots and the half baked.
Occupation is the ROOT CAUSE OF ALL PROBLEMS OF TODAY.
Principles like work ethics, tolerance, and self commitment, and honesty, justice are the Islamic & Koranic values seen in the west and not Muslim countries of today.
Allah says in Koran that the nations will not enter paradise based on labels including Muslims & Non Muslims.
Regardless of where they are coming from if they believe in Allah, righteousness and judgment day, they will be rewarded.
Principles like work ethics, self commitment, and honesty, justice are the Islamic values seen in the west and not Muslim countries of today.
Allah says in Koran that the nations will not enter paradise based on labels including Muslims. Regardless of where they are coming form if they believe in Allah and judgment day they will be rewarded. Allah's final world is Koran and also it is not possible to believe in judgment day without believing in all prophets, angels, Injeel, Taurah and Koran.
By the way commitment, accountability, justice and balance are the guiding principles in an Islamic state.
I understand such principles are out of place in the Muslim countries today which are Muslim by label only. The rich and strong mostly get away and the poor get the punishment all the time. In fact the western countries like USA are complying with the guide lines of Koran for their own people more than Muslim countries.
Koran is guidance for those who meet their moral commitments, discipline, pious or Allah conscious. Koran is not guidance for the rest.
Guidance means help from Allah. Guidance means enlightenment. Guidance means just, balanced and, peaceful coexistence. Guidance means the straight route to peace or paradise.
The punishment is not for someone who steals to take care of the basic needs like food if it is not being taken care of by the Islamic state. Islamic state is responsible that everyone is fed & protected and the means provided.
Theses punishments are the highest degree of impositions and there is a leeway according to the shade of the crime ruled by a pious & learned judge.
Traditions have thus been classified Qudsi, Strong and weak according to justification.
Islam has provided, in an Islamic state, a real deterrent of death in public for apostasy, murder and rape.
Islam has provided a real deterrent of humiliation in public for embezzlement or burglary. Fingers or hand may be cut in public after a judgment on embezzlement by a pious & learned judge.
A group of eight men from the tribe of 'Ukil came to the Prophet and then they found the climate of Medina unsuitable for them. So, they said, "O Allah's Apostle! Provide us with some milk." Allah's Apostle said, "I recommend that you should join the herd of camels." So they went and drank the urine and the milk of the camels
PartII (as a medicine) till they became healthy and fat. Then they killed the shepherd and drove away the camels, and they became unbelievers after they were Muslims. When the Prophet was informed by a shouter for help, he sent some men in their pursuit, and before the sun rose high, they were brought,
PartIII and he had their hands and feet cut off. Then he ordered for nails which were heated and passed over their eyes, and they were left in the Harra (i.e. rocky land in Medina). They asked for water, and nobody provided them with water till they died (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 261)
You can see here the DHIMMI-STATUS that the Western media, schools, and politcians have IMPOSED upon THEMSELVES! Worse yet, IMPOSED upon our society, our nations! Thus, it's not just what Ronald Burke said: "The only thing for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing!", because it would be better for us, ÁND FOR MUSLIMS, that they would do nothing. But now they even hélp evil to triumph! Thus our media, politicians etc. are TRAITORS and deserve the WAGES OF TREASON!
What this author fails to acknowledge is that there are around 1.2 to 1.4 Billion Muslims in the world, around 8 or 9 million in the US. Islam is actually the fastest growing religion in the US and its not because of immigrants. If extremism was main stream Islam we would all be dead.
There is no parallel like civilian killings noted in Spanish inquisition, by Crusaders, Chengez Khan, Nagasaki, Hiroshima, holocaust, Kashmir, Chechnya, Bosnia, and Kosovo. Non Muslims are reverting today to Islam, faster than all religions, all over. WHO IS FORCING THEM? LESS THAN 400 SOLDIERS from both side killed in the entire prophetic mission.
Islam prohibits killing or destruction of civilians, buildings, trees, women & children. Historically, in general, Muslims have not forced non Muslims to convert during the life of the prophet, Jerusalem, Indonesia, Malaysia, India, China, Bosnia, and Kosovo, Spain, Africa & Middle East.
Koran is a living miracle, a book of guidance for the pious. Koran is not helpful for those with malice, anger and special interests. I would like every human being to surrender to the will of Allah, not associate partners with the Almighty and, die as Muslim. Learn logic in Koran from Dr. Garry Miler, a well known Mathematician and former preacher.
To understand what Islam is you have to read the authentic life history. He indeed never invaded or allowed unprovoked or forced anybody to accept Islam. If you read with sincerity and not preconceived notions you will find Islam is a religion of balance and fit rah (complying with nature). Learned people accept Islam because they find out the accusations about Islam are myths and not the reality.
It is permissible to deal with rebellions around jizya and zakat with force as the last resort. It is permissible to fight external threats if peace is not the option. There is no compulsion in religion, the righ path has indeed been made distinct from the wrong.
Primary reference for a Muslim is the commands in Koran because Allah has only promised preservation of Koran. Traditions and events are used to explain the verses, emulate and implement, however, they must not contradict the commands in the Koran. Though I have been learning and practicing Islam all my live, I have never come across Ibne Ishaq. I will look into it and try to post my commment later.
No such thing as mainstream or clergy in Islam. The Comparative religion scholars are suitable for our purpose. It is an ASSERTION WITHOUT PROOF TO STATE THEIR PURPOSE IS TO DECEIVE THE WEST. The bottom line: Theydo not deviate from Koranic commands, the supporting authentic non contradictory & pertinent facts. The verses basically & Ibne ishaq's opinion mentioned deals with the internal and external rebellion & threat and methodology as aforementioned.
Sura (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place" This is a warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell.
Reference to the context is indespensable to the understanding of Koran. The verses refer to the command from Allah to crush the Roman empire threat. Allah is warning those who are making excuses to fight and defend against the enemy. Allah knows better!
All the major schools of Islamic jurisprudence (madhahib) teach warfare in order to bring the world under Islamic law. This isn't a "context" issue. All your scholars say to fight to establish Sharia. These verses have been interpreted by the mainstream very different that you try to deceive us with.
I have read and practice Islam. I have simply reproduced the intrepretation. Koran advises Muslims to live in peace with non muslims. Koran commands Muslims to deal with the threat and injustice with force. Numbers of civilian Muslims killed in different phases of history by Non Muslim and even today is reflective of who is doing a better job of killing Muslims.
Jamal Badawi, Shabir Ali, Yusuf Hamza, yusuf Estes, Zakir Naik, to name a few. Check out Islamicity for more. May Allah give all of us the light of truth. It is a guidance only for people with piety according to Koran. Koran would appear different to special interst group and those with a preconceived notion and hate.
Ibn Ishaq explains the contexts of various verses of the Qur'an by saying that Muhammad received revelations about warfare in three stages: first, tolerance; then, defensive warfare; and finally, offensive warfare in order to convert the unbelievers to Islam or make them pay the jizya.
"THERE IS NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION; THE RIGHT PATH HAS INDEED BEEN MADE DISTINCT FROM THE WRONG." Yes, it is permissible to deal with rebellions around JIZYA and ZAKAT with force as the LAST RESORT. Yes, it is permissible to fight external threats IF PEACE IS NOT THE OPTION. However, Koran DOES NOT PERMIT PREEMPTIVE STRIKES like Mr. Bush did it WITHOUT PROOF.
Koran is understandable with reference to the conext because it happened over 23 yrs and messages are linked with events. Its a living miracle, preciseley preserved in the orginal language in the hearts of millions of Muslim since the first to this day. Allah has promised preservation of Koran. Koran is the primary source. Other sources like narrations and traditons and sunnah are used only to understand Koran and better emulate the pesonalilty of the last prophet, May peace be upon him.
9:5 refers to after the Islamic state was formed. It is only when four months of grace have passed and the other party shows no signs of desisting from its treacherous designs. 9:29 refers to jizya in lieu of mandatory 21/2 % zakat from Muslims and in return Non Muslims life is protected and Non Muslims are not required to be drafted. Action against those who rebel against the practice of Islam.
hahahahaha. You must know you lose. How can you dismiss my argument when I cite the leading scholars of Islamic mainstream to prove my point, and you cannot find a single one. If you do find one, you win ok? I would advise that you consider the possibility that you are wrong about the 'aggressive' war.
Because you only offering your SKEWED interpretation, and you are only offering quote that fit your narrow view of Islam. Is is YOU who are wrong, charlesmartel3. I stand by my statement about "preemptive, aggressive war."
You stand by it, but none of the mainstream scholars of Islam stand by that. Just saying its "skewed" doesn't make it so. So me evidence that there actually are scholars that agree with you.
Your saying that Islam is inherently violent does not make that so. Spencer's saying that the terrorists are practicing the true religion does not make it so. It is simply an opinion.
I'm not saying they are representing the 'true' Islam. I am simply saying they are acting according to the teachings of mainstream Islam which you can read about if you would simply read what the major schools of Islam teach.
It is not my or your business to say who is misinterpreting any religion that we do not follow. All I can do is read how the mainstream has interpreted them and how it acts upon them.
And yet you make it your business constantly, don't you, charlesmartel3, in effect swallowing whole anything Robert Spencer says. Trying to claim that Robert Spencer does not interpret is the height of duplicitous argument, charlesmartel3.
I stated many times that I checked out what he has written by going to the original Islamic sources. I have also asked you to do so yourself. Your refusal to read his work or even that of the influential scholars of Islam proves that you have no argument except that you don't like what Spencer and I say.
Yes, I'm issuing the opinions of the mainstream scholars of Islam. And like I said and you can verify this if you would open a damn book, all the major schools of Islamic jurisprudence teach warfare to bring the world under Sharia.
WRONG!! You are issuing skewed interpretations of Islam. alfatourist listed these scholars who don't fit Spencer's worldview: Jamal Badawi, Shabir Ali, Yusuf Hamza, yusuf Estes, Zakir Naik. Your response was evasive. Are you therefore conceding the point?
Yeah, I can copy and paste, too, charlesmartel3: Mainstream Islam does NOT believe in preemptive, aggressive warfare to spread its religion.
As a Muslim our belief, the belief of Isa and Musa may peace be upon him, their adherents are the same. There is only one true religion that is to surrender (no perversion) to Allah. Extremisms today in Muslims is a reaction to the occupation and not Islam. Koran commanded Muslims to migrate and not burn.
The last messenger Muhammad, Jesus and Moses surrendered to the will of Allah. May peace be on them? Koran is the final testament. Koran is a living miracle. Koran challenges mankind to apply falsification test. Bring the experts disprove. Allah warns the arrogant, glide tiding for the humble kind
Who has done a better job of killing civilians in Palestine, Lebanon, Kosovo, Sabra Shatila, Bosnia, Chechnya, Kashmir. Do you how many Afgani civilians have been killed in the persuit of one suspect.
Do you know how many civilans have been killed in Iraq on a notion without proof. WE MUST RELY ON PROOFS. We must not kill civilians regardless of religion.Dont' u think we should learn a lesson and not accuse each other without a proof.
Total number of combatants killed from the Muslim as well as Non Muslim armies during all the wars combined in the life of the prophet, may peace be upon him have been less than four hundred.
Islam is all about moderation. This person is misrepresenting or LYING about Islam. He does not know what he is talking. Look at the history of spain, and Muslims. Who killed the civilans. Crusaders or Muslim? Jews have been happier with muslims in the history.
Islam stands on the principle of cleanliness. One has to be in wudu (pure and washed) to enter kaba.Muslims are required to stay clean. Teeth to be cleaned with miswak or brush. body to be washed after sex. Parts to be washed after one two. Wude breaks with one two three or sex. Nails clipped and pubic hair trimmed removed.
Those who who associate partners are not allowed in Kaba. Allah will not fogive partner association. Don't we see all those who associate parnters gang up against Islam. Partner Association is the Difference Set between Islam and others. Don't u see all partner associators have a common enemy. All partner associators do not feel threatened by each other. Think about it.
Sura 9, verse 29 refers to fighting rebellion by Non Muslims, who do not acknowlege and interfere with the practice. Also, jizya is for non muslims in place of mandatory zakat, military service for Muslims. Muslim Armies have the responisbility to protect non Muslims. Partner Associators religions are not allowed in the premisises of Mecca.
Objectivity demands the whole truth to be placed on the table regardless of the interest one has. However, the numbers must be added too, to look at the comparative statement.
Count the number of civilians killed by the armed Non Muslims in Afghanistan, Iraq, Chechnya, Palestine, Lebanon, Bosnia, Kosovo and Kashmir etc.
Now also total the number of Non Muslim civilians killed by the Armed Muslims. Compare it to see which armed people are doing a better job of killing civilians.
Robert Spencer is a pity Islamophobist selling the West State of Art Bunkum as Judy Miller did to tragically trap USA in Iraq for life & turn every Moslem soul into toxic waste. Now all possess NUKE. Iran, Israel, Pakistan, India & Kuwait +Iraq + Afghanistan (US-property).
To a read Sura in Koran. An army of Robert Spencer & a life devotion needed. it is not a Sesame Street Screenplay or bedside story. Fool! Its 5000 years philanthropy . only Almighty & Lord-Muhammad-PBUH translate it.
Islam is a relegion of peace and war, this verses explain it:
Quran:
60:8 As for such [of the unbelievers] as do not fight against you on account of [your] faith, and neither drive you forth from your homelands, God does not forbid you to show them kindness and to behave towards them with full equity: [9] for, verily, God loves those who act equitably.
60:9 God only forbids you to turn in friendship towards such as fight against you because of [your] faith, and drive you forth from your homelands, or aid [others] in driving you forth: and as for those [from among you] who turn towards them in friendship; it is they, they who are truly wrongdoers!
It's interesting to note that out of all the Jewish massacres that occurred throughout Europe at the time as a result of crusader activity, the numbers come nowhere close to those killed in one single incident in Morocco in 1066.
That is unfortunately erroneous! Whereas, the Almovides (fanatics trying to fight back the catholics) killed a few hundred jews, who were seen as traitors because of their ties to the catholics, it can in NO WAY be compared to the thousands upon thousands (more than 5000 just in the first crusade in Europe, let alone those burnt in synagogues in Jerusalem by C's). Moreover, when the catholics captured Andalusia, most of the jews moved to Morocco. WHY???? S&M?
And if a man shall lie with a woman having her sickness, and shall uncover her nakedness; he hath discovered her fountain, and she hath uncovered the fountain of her blood: and both of them shall be cut off from among their people. Lev. 20:18.
Wow, great reading comprehension there, moron. That verse states that they should be separated from the rest of the group during that period of time; it does not say "kill anyone who has sex during menstruation." How you could so astonishingly misinterpret that statement is beyond me.
Well, KORAN English translation is ABC of Islam not HOLOCAUST handbook, that's not crap! KORAN is Top Bestseller ever. nevertheless Islam history has No-murder, No-lies, Lord-Mohd-PUBH is not a Pedophile & never married underage. That's US Amish & Mormon martial style. We don't have any preacher advocate such crap probably a Bilderberg Imam at your end. You will have none curable terminal cancer if you mouth such fabrication about Almighty, KORAN & Lord-Muhammad-PBUH. I warned you.
Where in the koran does it say that under ISLAMIC LAW muslims must be egalitarian--i.e., support the equality of all people, esp. in political, economic, or social life--to non-muslims? Remember, I'm talking about people who reject islam under islamic law. It's easy for them to be egalitarian in the US or Europe. They have no choice.
Can't help but notice that one month has passed since hungryhomer4u's comment and not one muslim on here has challenged this man as a muslim nor his expansionist interpretation of islam. It would be nice, just one time, to see a "moderate" publicly challenge and debate a "radical" on his interpretation of islam. I think that privately the moderates agree with the radicals. The only point they differ on is strategy.
For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath or rest, Holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death. -- Exodus 31:15
Anyone who blasphemes the name of the LORD mus be put to death. The entire assembly must stone him. -- LEV 24:16
You haven't contradicted him, idiot. Those are quotes from the old testament. He didn't say that the old testament was free of violence. Indeed, the god of the old testament is famously capricious and violent. And you capitalize LORD as if it's a reference to Jesus Christ, which it is not. The "lord" you quote is, so he says, the same one who spoke to mohammed.
Yes, I condemn the torah too. I condemn the torah, the new testament and the koran. I condemn jewish idiots who think that god promised them this or that part of the desert and I condemn christians who support the most repressive elements of israeli society based on their bizarre Armageddonist interpretation of the new testament.
Oh, well, at least you aren't singling Islam out as many of its critics do. In that case, your opinions are more credible. For my part, as an agnostic, I take a different view, however. I don't put a great amount of stock in holy books. I DO believe that religion has had a positive influence on humankind. It's the radical fringe of each that gives each a bad image.
The question then is: are the jihadists a "radical fringe" or do they represent a broad tradition in Islam, well supported by quran, hadith, and all the major schools and interpretations of them? I understand that nobody 'wants' to believe this, due to the inherent difficulties the world will face. So I advise you to check for yourself, see where Spencer goes wrong.
If by "jihadists" (there are many interpretations of the word "jihad") you mean preemptive warriors of aggression, then no, they DON'T believe that, as has been demonstrated by the big picture of historical events. Al-Qaeda do NOT represent true Muslims, charlesmartel3.
Whether AlQaeda represents true Muslims is an opinion. They certainly think they do, and they are working in a very broad tradition in Islam. Again, all the major schools and sects of Islam teach warfare to establish Islamic law over the world.
What Spencer won't tell you is that Judaism is just as bigoted as Islam, but Islam does not control the USA congress as the Jews do.
JackTiger9 3 months ago
Spencer is a Islam friendly faggot. You cannot reform Islam. You have to debunk the entire Satanic crap.
JackTiger9 3 months ago
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Muslims and Jews are faggots.
JackTiger9 3 months ago
im an christian arab & im proud of our arabic/islamic history & im telling the zionists in USA who think they r christisns : u have nothing 2 do with jesus or christianity its our jesus its our Nazareth its our Bethlehem its Our relegion , so shut up ! u dont need 2 be muslim or christian or jew 2 c the turht u need be an human being as first! the palestinians muslisms & christians r suffering under israel & we as christian arabs will support our muslim brother by fighting 4 freedom
NazarethR 1 year ago
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DID YOU KNOW
Muslims believe that they are not fallen and have no need for a SAVIOR.
Because Muslims are not saved they need to do GOOD WORKS and Islam teaches that people are born innocent and remain so until they make themselves guilty by a guilty deed in order to gain salvation. This explains why they like to KILL others and with the blood of others on their hands is GOOD WORKS for them and they think this will gain them their salvation.
This is why Muslims are all SCREWED UP.
mohtheshmoo 2 years ago
we must all fight against islam
slayyyyn 2 years ago 12
What about all the wars of America since WW2, the purely offensive wars against farmers and other 3rd world people. Did America gain independence the Gandi or Jesus way? Is it not America that has launched the most invasions, military strikes, dropped the most bombs and killed the most civilians, always against poverty stricken people and still defend theselves against the f16s, WMD and fascist soldiers of the USA
mamoderawat 2 years ago
Muslims lies always, no if or else.
savergenio 3 years ago 6
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WHAT THE WEST NEEDS TO KNOW is that The Talmud is the most hateful anti-Gentile teachings is full of heinous, inhuman, and utterly dreadful cruel verses, the most inhuman book ever written. The main themes of Talmudic or scriptural instruction are to kill, deceive and destroy CHRISTIANS and using the name of God.
mohammedalswaidi 3 years ago
"And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death."
-Leviticus 24:16
you stupid, stupid, media-fucked bitches
terminalbacon 3 years ago
Jesus is the Corner Stone and His saints are the lively stones. The lively stones are commanded to speak the Truth. Those who reject it face the 2nd death (the first death reigned from Adam to Moses Rom 5:14)
It is God Who will destroy both body and soul in hell.
And so, back to the Koran which incites the masses to carry out violence...
we0905 2 years ago
What about in your holy book where God commands the Israelites to kill the children and "take" the women of the Midianites? It's in Numbers 31:17
Israelites are also instructed by God to kill babies in a war against the Amalekites in 1 Samuel 15:3
Personally, my favorite example is Hosea 13:16.
Mutakaliim 2 years ago
His interpretation of Islam is similar to Bin Laden's.
Mainstream Islam does not interpret the koran this way.
MrAnus 3 years ago
And Jesus also said that he was not here to bring peace, but war.
CommentatorUnltd 4 years ago
Dude, way to take Christianity out of context. Why don't you tell the whole story?
PikeBeth 4 years ago
That's true... what Jesus meant was that a sick world would never accept his message of peace, and it has not.
Jesus is actually a great prophet in Muslim faith, so what the Fox people fail to mention was that the Muslims accept many of Jesus' teachings as well (mostly the "love and peace" part they're so fond of championing).
terminalbacon 4 years ago
Moses is also a prophet in islam eventhough he is jewish. But still, they hate the jews.
SicSeb 3 years ago
DO you want to know what it says in the Old Testament about the spoils of war and the genocide of Canaanites?
CommentatorUnltd 4 years ago
Then again, a Jewish state goes against the Torah, since the Jews are supposed to be in exile and preaching God outside Israel.
CommentatorUnltd 4 years ago
I agree with alot of what you saying but where i disagree is that the koran does allow forced conversions. Islams whole goal is to take over the world. If read the koran and hadiths and it specifically mentions that non-muslims have 3 choices. Convert to islam if not, pay the jiyza and accept second class status if not then prepare for war. Its right there in the hadiths.
raj2007ca 4 years ago
Exactly, technically it's not forced conversion. You can keep your religion, but you have some disadvantages in Islamic society.
CommentatorUnltd 4 years ago
disadvantages? They treat non-muslims like animals. Not only will you have to submit to a tax but also accept second class citizenship and who knows what the hell they do to you. Ive heard some horror stories. This religon parallel's hitlers mein kemph
raj2007ca 4 years ago
Perhaps you would like to compare dhimmitude to what the Spanish did to the Muslims and Jews after the Reconquista? The second class status thing is a myth. Many Jews rose to very high ranks inside the Islamic government. Also, according to Islam, dhimmi means non-Muslims paying the jizya tax are under the protection of Allah and that Muslims have to honor business with them. To today's world it may not seem toleran, but it was tolerant back then.
CommentatorUnltd 4 years ago
Reconquista? We are talking about today. Right now. You are telling me that non muslims are treated fairly in the Islamic world. To own a jewish or a christian bible is a crime in Saudi Arabia. How to the muslims treat their Catholic friends in the Phillipines. How about the Christians in Iran, or Pakistan. Now, how to the America treat muslims. They give them healthcare, wellfare and freedom of religion
jsilva8869 4 years ago
The terrorists are also hypocrites. If their leaders were really as fanatically religious as they claim, they would know that the Qur'an states that Israel was set aside for Jews. I'm not supporting zionism (massive refugee crisis), but going against a Jewish state is going against the Qur'an. Also, the Qur'an doesn't allow forced conversion or the killing of innocent civilians or fellow Muslims. Neither does it permit suicide (suicide/homicide isn't martyrdom.
CommentatorUnltd 4 years ago
I'm not saying Islam is perfect- it definitely needs to be modernized and secularized. Start with abolishing Sharia law. If there was Christian law, rape victims would have to marry their rapists and girls who had sex before marriage would get stoned to death. Obviously, the Christians had some sense and didn't follow Biblical laws. The Muslims, well, not that lucky.
CommentatorUnltd 4 years ago
1. The Qur'an forbids forced conversion.
2. The Qur'an forbids killing of innocent civilians.
3. Muslims states were more tolerant than Christian States during the Middle Ages.
CommentatorUnltd 4 years ago
The koran forbids forced conversions? Do you want me to put some references from the koran and hadiths for you?
raj2007ca 4 years ago
Uhhh...Yeah. Why do you think there was dhimmitude in Islamic lands? The Qur'an states that people should come to Islam from their free will, not force.
CommentatorUnltd 4 years ago
Jews, Christians, Sabians, Zoroastrians, ect lived in Islamic lands during the Middle Ages without persecution. The reference you pull up is probably a command in a war, similar to Blblical commands for genocide against Canaanites.
CommentatorUnltd 4 years ago
Oh yeah. The quran forbids killing innocent civilians. Give me a break. I have read the Quran and have seen the scripture that says to kill the infidels. To take their fingers at the joints, and what about weman. Is it required that they are covered from head to toe and have their clitoris removed. Why isnt anyone stopping that brutality done on your own people. 72 virgins in heaven as a reward. That is crazy talk. I cant except it
jsilva8869 4 years ago
To jsilva: First of all, the 72 virgins can also translate as raisins. Second, there was actually a debate over whether the Qur'an actually tells woman to cover their faces ("cover sexual aspects, not the face.) Second, the verse you talk about is a command during wartime, like in the Bible (kill all non-virgins, or the genocide against Canaanites.) Isn't having your clit removed kinda like circumcision?
CommentatorUnltd 4 years ago
Having your clit removed is not like circumcision. 72 virgin could be raisins. That is laughable. You are alleging that the Quran doesn't preach to kill non believers. I have a copy of the quran with well over a hundred sciptures that specifically states to use violence on non muslim people. It says to decieve Christians and Jews. Muslims must never befriend them either. Come on
jsilva8869 4 years ago
You DO realize that Judaism and Christianity hae=ve similar scriptures, right? What you are doing is similar to what anti-Semites do to the Talmud: misquote them to make it look as if Jews can lie to gentiles. The Qur'an doesn't advocate violence against non-believers. All of them are JUST COMMANDS DURING WARTIME, LIKE IN THE BIBLE. Plus, it's a common misconception that Muslims can't marry people outside there faith. It's not recommended, but it's not forbidden.
CommentatorUnltd 4 years ago
Lets do terrorize the Mussies!!!
reveldhe 4 years ago
As if judaism and christianity didn´t have a doctrin that allowes them to wage war on unbelievers. reigion is violent per se.
thrillspill 4 years ago
Demonstrate your assertion.
Your comment trips easily from your keyboard, but can you back what you say?
You cannot demonstrate an equivalent to violent jihad in the Bible. Specifically, wars in the Bible are historical events. Jihad, on the other hand, must be waged until the world submits.
Religions are NOT all the same. Just like politics.
pinkcanary 4 years ago
This robert spencer guy is so deluded.
Looks like the Fox Crew ate it all up and so will their faithful viewers. Alas the ignorance will go on.
taz892 4 years ago
Then make a categorical and specific refutation instead of a general dismissal. He just reports what the Koran, Sira and Hadith prescribe. Find where he is in error and let us know. Otherwise, "the ignorance will go on," won't it.?
pinkcanary 4 years ago
Christians ,, know who you are listening to .
This Robert Spencer is a zionist.
Look up information on this man . He is saying truths to gain favour with christians .
Robert Spencers father was a fanatical zionist. Be very careful of this man .
Zionist jews are the greatest threat . Research a man by the name of
BENJAMIN FRIEDMAN .
kasdri 4 years ago
Zionist Jews?
Are those the ones that think Israel has a right to exist? And let's be honest, the Koran doesn't exactly make it easy for Muslims to befriend anyone, does it?
Koran 5:51 "O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk."
pinkcanary 4 years ago
no Zionist Jews are the ones who think they have a right to all the land they left over a thousand years ago. Menachem Begin asserted that Jews had a right to ALL of pre-1922 Palestine, including Jordan and that the arabs had to leave. He was also a terrorist who attcked the British forces, of which my grandfather was one, Israel was founded on terrorism.
funkwit5 3 years ago
Robert Spencer is lying!!! Search on "Robert Spencer on Islam: REFUTED" on youtube and see for yourself?
The video proves that Muhammad (pbuh) was forced to fight. If you are creating a connection between terrorism and Islam then how come you don't follow the same logic for Holocaust/brutal Colonialism and Christianity.
firespitter69 4 years ago
well well another muslim in denial. I suggest you read the ibn ishaq by tabiri to become enlightened as to the terrorism of mohammmed and then study the bloody trail of islam thru history. This religion is extrememly violent and has no virtues. Islam has brought nothing to the people of the area except death destruction and human suffering.
19501977 4 years ago
really? mohammed killed innocents?
lol
rOaCh2000 4 years ago
i hope brian relizes that mahatma gandhi considered himself as much a muslim as a hindu.
samcfadden 4 years ago
Cold facts about Islamic Nazism! Well done.
AntiStalinist 4 years ago
cont.
spanish inquisition 75,000 innocents
sack of jerusalem- 70,000 jews and muslims
aztec atrocities-1-10 million estimated
gang killings- 16,000 a year in us 450,000 since 1980
hiroshima and nagasaki- over 500,000 dead
Battle of Askalon, 8/12/1099. 200,000 heathens slaughtered "in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ". [WW45]
Rest of Crusades in less detail: until the fall of Akkon 1291 probably 20 million victims (in the Holy land and Arab/Turkish areas alone). [WW224]
rOaCh2000 4 years ago
christian crimes against humanity
rwandan massacres - 1-2 million
world war 2 - 11 million jews gypsies slavs and sick 20 million russian citizens
iraq- 650,000 dead arabs
vietnam - 1,000,000 dead vietnamese
middle passage- 40 million africans
kkk-100,000 dead african americans
manifest destiny-100 million dead native americans
rOaCh2000 4 years ago
When a Christian kills someone it is against the teaching of the Holy Bible, when a muslim perpetrates violence he is being obedient to the quran
19501977 4 years ago
when a christian kills someone it is against the teachings of bible,when a muslim perpetrates violence he is going against the teachings of the qur'an
really shows how much some of these ignorants know about islam. you'd find it interesting that alot of these people who perpetrate violence and glorify bin laden are also racist and like to curse alot. both against the teachings of islam
rOaCh2000 4 years ago
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Ok so these terrorists glorify bin laden and cuss a lot, does that mean they are not following quran when committing terrorists acts? read quran my friend and find all of the bloody inspiration and justification any mass murderer could hope for.....islam should be outlawed in the west
19501977 4 years ago
no they aren't sir muhammed said in one of the hadiths that killing women and children is strictly prohibited. there is a total ban in islam towards killing innocents(israelis don't qualify as innocents). i read qur'an you idiot. i don't know where you got the strange idea that not only do you have the expertise to interpet the qur'an but to ignorant and boastfully claim it supports random killings. you are a shame go wipe yourself off
rOaCh2000 4 years ago
your antisemitism is showing. Yes i have read the quran and it is the most pathetic thing ive read.The quran condemns itself by calling Jesus a liar about mark 10:33,34 with surah 4:157. If Jesus was incorrect then he would be a false prophet, but the quran calls him a true prophet so the quran condemns itself. If Jesus was right then islam is false. you lose either way
19501977 4 years ago
i could care less. they aren't civilians there militarized jarheads who are all in the military and are taught in school that arabs are subhuman. first of all we don't take the new testament seriously and second of all i'm pretty sure that's your own intepretation of those verses. if jesus was god then how come he prayed to god?
rOaCh2000 4 years ago
this attitude of yours proves perhaps what the jews say about the arabs, but i prefer to listen to what God say and these are the words that prophesy Ishamel and by extension arabs,,,Gen 16:12
12 "He will be a wild donkey of a man,
His hand will be against everyone,
And everyone's hand will be against him;
And he will live to the east of all his brothers."
19501977 4 years ago
it would be interesting to note that i'm not an arab. it would also interest you to know that only the liberals wich are a minority don't worship war in israel.
genesis is CORRUPT. also a wide intepretation. the bible says to sacrifice pagan priests btw
rOaCh2000 4 years ago
be being a muslim you are an adopted arab, you took shahada in arabic, you read quran in arabic, you listen to quran chanted in arabic, you must pray in arabic, you took an arabic name......in other words the local moon god deity allah of arabia only could understand arabic. Now imaging if you will a god so stupid he could not transcend language and you think this ignorant god is the creator???? i am rolling on the floor laughing at your stupidity
19501977 4 years ago
"when a muslim perpetrates violence he is going against the teachings of the qur'an"
No. The koran only considers believers to be innocent. Infidels are to be converted, humiliated, must pay the jizyah or face death.
9:29 Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.
pinkcanary 4 years ago
you guys are such idiots. any quote that says muslims kill is part of a story in the Qur'an. it does not say that is what muslims should do. Muslims are allowed to ONLY defend themselves against oppression, being attacked, or having their land taken away from them. It says that specifically in the Qur'an. A christian can not tell Muslims what the Qur'an says because you know nothing of it except what you have heard in the media, so quit spewing hatred and lies against Muslims you retard
westside6985 4 years ago
Noble Verse 5:32 "...if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people..."
Noble Verse 41:34 "Nor can goodness and evil be equal. Repel (evil) with that is better: Then will he between whom and thee was hatred become as it were thy friend and intimate!."
rOaCh2000 4 years ago
this verse (surah 5:32) was intended for jews, why dont you post the whole verse?
Secondly this is almost verbatim from the jewish talmud circa 2nd century over 400 years BEFORE mohammed and allah. Mohammed stole from every source he could
19501977 4 years ago
mohammed couldn't even read
rOaCh2000 4 years ago
because mohammed couldnt read means nothing, he could have listened to stories of others, fell down into one of his seizures, pretended he was getting revelation and then repeat the story he heard. By the way this is even a charge against mohammed in his own quran.....lolololol
19501977 4 years ago
the hadiths suggests that muhammed didn't want to be a prophet and rejected it at first as nonsense until consulting others
rOaCh2000 4 years ago
when seeking spiritual guidance where did mohammed go? to a dark cave. God is light, mohammed didnt want light. mohammed met some angel in a cave, he didnt speak with God but some angel....2 Cor 11:14
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
19501977 4 years ago
the only satanic figure was the voice that spoke to saint paul telling him jesus is god. how can a man be god?
rOaCh2000 4 years ago
Jesus said: Matt 7:15-16
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
The fruits of mohammed was death, destruction, pedophilia, necromancy, overall immorality. Therefore according to Jesus, mohammed is false prophet
19501977 4 years ago
haha immorality. lmao. maybe if you go to jihadwatch to learn about islam he was. death destruction? all more lies.
rOaCh2000 4 years ago
hey roach your ignorance about islam is only surpassed at your complete lack of knowledge about the Holy Bible. any time you want to debate me in a public chat area like yahoo or paltalk let me know. I love destroying islam one person at a time.
19501977 4 years ago
you're telling ME i'm ignorant about islam
rOaCh2000 4 years ago
fancy debating on a real topic and not a book written by man for political purposes? give me one bit of proof, beyond the bible, for the existence of god. and it must be a proof that passes Occams razor. see all christians are sectrely atheists, do you believe in Zeus? Set? Horus? I bet you don't. so why do you believe in the christian god beyond you were raised into it.
funkwit5 3 years ago
I am a Muslim,but i'll respond to ur question about the existence of God.
Do you know the gene code of the human body is more complex than computer programs?
Computer programs do'nt just program themselves.Now do they?
I suggest u visit my profile and watch my playlist"Proofs that Islam is the Truth:Quran & Science,Prophecies"
Peace!!
saladinswarrior 2 years ago
"Do you know the gene code of the human body is more complex than computer programs?"
"Computer programs do'nt just program themselves.Now do they?"
Check this video( watch?v=9PWXrnsSrf0 ) out, you might change your mind.
bbso8cu9 2 years ago
funkwit5 ...The real proof of God is in His prophecies.
we0905 2 years ago
"God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (The Noble Quran, 60:8)"
"Say, 'The truth is from your Lord': Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it):......(The Noble Quran, 18:29)"
rOaCh2000 4 years ago
"And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for God. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrongdoers. (The Noble Quran 2:193)"
"Again and again will those who disbelieve, wish that they had bowed (to God's will) in Islam. Leave them alone, to enjoy (the good things of this life) and to please themselves: let (false) hope amuse them: soon will knowledge (undeceive them). (The Noble Quran, 15:2-3)"
rOaCh2000 4 years ago
the truth of islam
Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors
"But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in God: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things). (The Noble Quran, 8:61)"
"And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for God. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrongdoers. (The Noble Quran 2:193)"
rOaCh2000 4 years ago
Robert Spencer is not an islamophobe. Spencer is a moneygrubbing fraud who found an ingenious way to
channel peoples rascism and fears into buying his
awful books. Here is a man who claims to speak for human rights, yet defends Guantanamo, claims that claims of torture in Abu Ghraib were exaggerated and actually(thats my favourite) tried to convince his readers at Jihad Watch that the pictures of the Qana massacre were staged.
karimguy83 4 years ago
this is what has become of fox news.. this is the low they reached which cannot get any lower! they bring a known hater of islam to discuss islam and dont bring anyone credible to counter the argument.. nice journalism! but hey.. this is fox news.. bigotry against muslims is what they preach here!
randomized77 4 years ago
He has no credibility. None of his works have ever been published in any university press. Just another zionist islamaphobe spewing nothing but hate and propaganda.
philphil80 4 years ago
Fox and Friends. It's so hard to watch! I usually attempt suicide about 20 seconds in...
terminalbacon 4 years ago
please type this in search box and watch must see:
Prophet Mohammed (part 1)
kingcopra 4 years ago
please type this in search box and watch must see:
Prophet Mohammed (part 1)
kingcopra 4 years ago
Robert Spencer: Knowledgable but boring.
TheALUauxiliary 4 years ago
Certainly having a muslim writing about how bad christianity is wouldn't get the same air time on Fox.
nrbcp 4 years ago
Fox is such crap. How about having somebody with an opposing view? He mentions Gandhi - Gandhi didn't have the same views on Islam as this crackpot does.
nrbcp 4 years ago
Yea, i believe the jew...Did he mention the Rosenbergs, Pollards, Franklins, 911, USS Liberty? The israeli transfer of vital American military tech to the CHINESE MENACE or to south American drug runners?....He cares about America right?..I just must have missed it..
nwomustgo 4 years ago
Robert Spencer is right on like usual! Thx for this video!
primetime100 4 years ago
Prophet was an excellent embodiment of moral commitment according to Koran. He did not violate the rules in Koran. He was recognized far & wide as truthful and best in manners. He enjoyed respect of millions because he had a strong commitment to the truth. He was acknowleged because he was truthful to the word of Koran & his own. His influence has been uprecedented because of these qualities and Allah's help.
alfatourist 4 years ago
Compiled & documented sources other than Koran from the post Islamic history by learned people are acceptable as long as they comply with Koran and do not contradict Koran. Koran has precdence over other sources. Prophet is an embodiment of mercy for mankind and all kinds according to Koran.
alfatourist 4 years ago
Allah's final world is Koran and also it is not possible to believe in the judgment day without believing in all prophets, angels, Injeel, Taurah and Koran.
Innumerable Muslims today are not well read about Koran & Islam and the reactions are local and energized by zealots and the half baked.
Occupation is the ROOT CAUSE OF ALL PROBLEMS OF TODAY.
alfatourist 4 years ago
Principles like work ethics, tolerance, and self commitment, and honesty, justice are the Islamic & Koranic values seen in the west and not Muslim countries of today.
Allah says in Koran that the nations will not enter paradise based on labels including Muslims & Non Muslims.
Regardless of where they are coming from if they believe in Allah, righteousness and judgment day, they will be rewarded.
alfatourist 4 years ago
Principles like work ethics, self commitment, and honesty, justice are the Islamic values seen in the west and not Muslim countries of today.
Allah says in Koran that the nations will not enter paradise based on labels including Muslims. Regardless of where they are coming form if they believe in Allah and judgment day they will be rewarded. Allah's final world is Koran and also it is not possible to believe in judgment day without believing in all prophets, angels, Injeel, Taurah and Koran.
alfatourist 4 years ago
By the way commitment, accountability, justice and balance are the guiding principles in an Islamic state.
I understand such principles are out of place in the Muslim countries today which are Muslim by the label more than the spirit & deeds.
The rich and strong mostly get away and the poor get the punishment all the time.
In fact the western countries like USA are complying with the guide lines of Koran for their own people more than Muslim countries.
alfatourist 4 years ago
By the way commitment, accountability, justice and balance are the guiding principles in an Islamic state.
I understand such principles are out of place in the Muslim countries today which are Muslim by label only. The rich and strong mostly get away and the poor get the punishment all the time. In fact the western countries like USA are complying with the guide lines of Koran for their own people more than Muslim countries.
alfatourist 4 years ago
Koran is guidance for those who meet their moral commitments, discipline, pious or Allah conscious. Koran is not guidance for the rest.
Guidance means help from Allah. Guidance means enlightenment. Guidance means just, balanced and, peaceful coexistence. Guidance means the straight route to peace or paradise.
alfatourist 4 years ago
The punishment is not for someone who steals to take care of the basic needs like food if it is not being taken care of by the Islamic state. Islamic state is responsible that everyone is fed & protected and the means provided.
Theses punishments are the highest degree of impositions and there is a leeway according to the shade of the crime ruled by a pious & learned judge.
alfatourist 4 years ago
Traditions have thus been classified Qudsi, Strong and weak according to justification.
Islam has provided, in an Islamic state, a real deterrent of death in public for apostasy, murder and rape.
Islam has provided a real deterrent of humiliation in public for embezzlement or burglary. Fingers or hand may be cut in public after a judgment on embezzlement by a pious & learned judge.
alfatourist 4 years ago
The cruelty of Muhammad:
Part I narrated Anas bin Malik:
A group of eight men from the tribe of 'Ukil came to the Prophet and then they found the climate of Medina unsuitable for them. So, they said, "O Allah's Apostle! Provide us with some milk." Allah's Apostle said, "I recommend that you should join the herd of camels." So they went and drank the urine and the milk of the camels
hazzanmuhammad 4 years ago
PartII (as a medicine) till they became healthy and fat. Then they killed the shepherd and drove away the camels, and they became unbelievers after they were Muslims. When the Prophet was informed by a shouter for help, he sent some men in their pursuit, and before the sun rose high, they were brought,
hazzanmuhammad 4 years ago
PartIII and he had their hands and feet cut off. Then he ordered for nails which were heated and passed over their eyes, and they were left in the Harra (i.e. rocky land in Medina). They asked for water, and nobody provided them with water till they died (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 261)
hazzanmuhammad 4 years ago
You can see here the DHIMMI-STATUS that the Western media, schools, and politcians have IMPOSED upon THEMSELVES! Worse yet, IMPOSED upon our society, our nations! Thus, it's not just what Ronald Burke said: "The only thing for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing!", because it would be better for us, ÁND FOR MUSLIMS, that they would do nothing. But now they even hélp evil to triumph! Thus our media, politicians etc. are TRAITORS and deserve the WAGES OF TREASON!
DutchLionFrans 4 years ago
What this author fails to acknowledge is that there are around 1.2 to 1.4 Billion Muslims in the world, around 8 or 9 million in the US. Islam is actually the fastest growing religion in the US and its not because of immigrants. If extremism was main stream Islam we would all be dead.
moali68 4 years ago
Thank you brianoflondon for making this video available! Keep up the good work!!!
Watchman1967 4 years ago
Aren't they forgeting the fact that millions were killed by Catholics in the crusades and the inquisition?
terminalbacon 4 years ago
There is no parallel like civilian killings noted in Spanish inquisition, by Crusaders, Chengez Khan, Nagasaki, Hiroshima, holocaust, Kashmir, Chechnya, Bosnia, and Kosovo. Non Muslims are reverting today to Islam, faster than all religions, all over. WHO IS FORCING THEM? LESS THAN 400 SOLDIERS from both side killed in the entire prophetic mission.
alfatourist 4 years ago
Islam prohibits killing or destruction of civilians, buildings, trees, women & children. Historically, in general, Muslims have not forced non Muslims to convert during the life of the prophet, Jerusalem, Indonesia, Malaysia, India, China, Bosnia, and Kosovo, Spain, Africa & Middle East.
alfatourist 4 years ago
Koran is a living miracle, a book of guidance for the pious. Koran is not helpful for those with malice, anger and special interests. I would like every human being to surrender to the will of Allah, not associate partners with the Almighty and, die as Muslim. Learn logic in Koran from Dr. Garry Miler, a well known Mathematician and former preacher.
alfatourist 4 years ago
To understand what Islam is you have to read the authentic life history. He indeed never invaded or allowed unprovoked or forced anybody to accept Islam. If you read with sincerity and not preconceived notions you will find Islam is a religion of balance and fit rah (complying with nature). Learned people accept Islam because they find out the accusations about Islam are myths and not the reality.
alfatourist 4 years ago
It is permissible to deal with rebellions around jizya and zakat with force as the last resort. It is permissible to fight external threats if peace is not the option. There is no compulsion in religion, the righ path has indeed been made distinct from the wrong.
alfatourist 4 years ago
Primary reference for a Muslim is the commands in Koran because Allah has only promised preservation of Koran. Traditions and events are used to explain the verses, emulate and implement, however, they must not contradict the commands in the Koran. Though I have been learning and practicing Islam all my live, I have never come across Ibne Ishaq. I will look into it and try to post my commment later.
alfatourist 4 years ago
Ibn Kathir?
charlesmartel3 4 years ago
You are following some pretty sick stuff.
danielpipes(.)org/blog/327
None of these guys are mainstream or have any influnce in the Muslim world. They a just a bunch of shcmucks that exist to decieve the west.
charlesmartel3 4 years ago
No such thing as mainstream or clergy in Islam. The Comparative religion scholars are suitable for our purpose. It is an ASSERTION WITHOUT PROOF TO STATE THEIR PURPOSE IS TO DECEIVE THE WEST. The bottom line: Theydo not deviate from Koranic commands, the supporting authentic non contradictory & pertinent facts. The verses basically & Ibne ishaq's opinion mentioned deals with the internal and external rebellion & threat and methodology as aforementioned.
alfatourist 4 years ago
Sura (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place" This is a warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell.
itsbuta 4 years ago
Reference to the context is indespensable to the understanding of Koran. The verses refer to the command from Allah to crush the Roman empire threat. Allah is warning those who are making excuses to fight and defend against the enemy. Allah knows better!
alfatourist 4 years ago
All the major schools of Islamic jurisprudence (madhahib) teach warfare in order to bring the world under Islamic law. This isn't a "context" issue. All your scholars say to fight to establish Sharia. These verses have been interpreted by the mainstream very different that you try to deceive us with.
charlesmartel3 4 years ago
I have read and practice Islam. I have simply reproduced the intrepretation. Koran advises Muslims to live in peace with non muslims. Koran commands Muslims to deal with the threat and injustice with force. Numbers of civilian Muslims killed in different phases of history by Non Muslim and even today is reflective of who is doing a better job of killing Muslims.
alfatourist 4 years ago
Funny, how many mainstream scholars of Islam do you cite to show this?
charlesmartel3 4 years ago
Jamal Badawi, Shabir Ali, Yusuf Hamza, yusuf Estes, Zakir Naik, to name a few. Check out Islamicity for more. May Allah give all of us the light of truth. It is a guidance only for people with piety according to Koran. Koran would appear different to special interst group and those with a preconceived notion and hate.
alfatourist 4 years ago
Ibn Ishaq explains the contexts of various verses of the Qur'an by saying that Muhammad received revelations about warfare in three stages: first, tolerance; then, defensive warfare; and finally, offensive warfare in order to convert the unbelievers to Islam or make them pay the jizya.
charlesmartel3 4 years ago
"THERE IS NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION; THE RIGHT PATH HAS INDEED BEEN MADE DISTINCT FROM THE WRONG." Yes, it is permissible to deal with rebellions around JIZYA and ZAKAT with force as the LAST RESORT. Yes, it is permissible to fight external threats IF PEACE IS NOT THE OPTION. However, Koran DOES NOT PERMIT PREEMPTIVE STRIKES like Mr. Bush did it WITHOUT PROOF.
alfatourist 4 years ago
jihadwatch(.)org/archives/005440.php
charlesmartel3 4 years ago
Koran is understandable with reference to the conext because it happened over 23 yrs and messages are linked with events. Its a living miracle, preciseley preserved in the orginal language in the hearts of millions of Muslim since the first to this day. Allah has promised preservation of Koran. Koran is the primary source. Other sources like narrations and traditons and sunnah are used only to understand Koran and better emulate the pesonalilty of the last prophet, May peace be upon him.
alfatourist 4 years ago
9:5 refers to after the Islamic state was formed. It is only when four months of grace have passed and the other party shows no signs of desisting from its treacherous designs. 9:29 refers to jizya in lieu of mandatory 21/2 % zakat from Muslims and in return Non Muslims life is protected and Non Muslims are not required to be drafted. Action against those who rebel against the practice of Islam.
alfatourist 4 years ago
hahahahaha. You must know you lose. How can you dismiss my argument when I cite the leading scholars of Islamic mainstream to prove my point, and you cannot find a single one. If you do find one, you win ok? I would advise that you consider the possibility that you are wrong about the 'aggressive' war.
charlesmartel3 5 years ago
Because you only offering your SKEWED interpretation, and you are only offering quote that fit your narrow view of Islam. Is is YOU who are wrong, charlesmartel3. I stand by my statement about "preemptive, aggressive war."
budavol 5 years ago
You stand by it, but none of the mainstream scholars of Islam stand by that. Just saying its "skewed" doesn't make it so. So me evidence that there actually are scholars that agree with you.
charlesmartel3 5 years ago
Your saying that Islam is inherently violent does not make that so. Spencer's saying that the terrorists are practicing the true religion does not make it so. It is simply an opinion.
budavol 5 years ago
I'm not saying they are representing the 'true' Islam. I am simply saying they are acting according to the teachings of mainstream Islam which you can read about if you would simply read what the major schools of Islam teach.
charlesmartel3 5 years ago
They are MISINTERPRETING the teachings of the KORAN, just as the Crusaders and their warrior clergy misinterpreted the BIBLE.
budavol 5 years ago
It is not my or your business to say who is misinterpreting any religion that we do not follow. All I can do is read how the mainstream has interpreted them and how it acts upon them.
charlesmartel3 5 years ago
And yet you make it your business constantly, don't you, charlesmartel3, in effect swallowing whole anything Robert Spencer says. Trying to claim that Robert Spencer does not interpret is the height of duplicitous argument, charlesmartel3.
budavol 4 years ago
I stated many times that I checked out what he has written by going to the original Islamic sources. I have also asked you to do so yourself. Your refusal to read his work or even that of the influential scholars of Islam proves that you have no argument except that you don't like what Spencer and I say.
charlesmartel3 4 years ago
No. You are issuing opinions. You happen to agree with Spencer. I do not. MANY do no. Deal with it, charlesmartel3.
budavol 4 years ago
Yes, I'm issuing the opinions of the mainstream scholars of Islam. And like I said and you can verify this if you would open a damn book, all the major schools of Islamic jurisprudence teach warfare to bring the world under Sharia.
charlesmartel3 4 years ago
WRONG!! You are issuing skewed interpretations of Islam. alfatourist listed these scholars who don't fit Spencer's worldview: Jamal Badawi, Shabir Ali, Yusuf Hamza, yusuf Estes, Zakir Naik. Your response was evasive. Are you therefore conceding the point?
Yeah, I can copy and paste, too, charlesmartel3: Mainstream Islam does NOT believe in preemptive, aggressive warfare to spread its religion.
budavol 4 years ago
As a Muslim our belief, the belief of Isa and Musa may peace be upon him, their adherents are the same. There is only one true religion that is to surrender (no perversion) to Allah. Extremisms today in Muslims is a reaction to the occupation and not Islam. Koran commanded Muslims to migrate and not burn.
alfatourist 5 years ago
The last messenger Muhammad, Jesus and Moses surrendered to the will of Allah. May peace be on them? Koran is the final testament. Koran is a living miracle. Koran challenges mankind to apply falsification test. Bring the experts disprove. Allah warns the arrogant, glide tiding for the humble kind
alfatourist 5 years ago
Who has done a better job of killing civilians in Palestine, Lebanon, Kosovo, Sabra Shatila, Bosnia, Chechnya, Kashmir. Do you how many Afgani civilians have been killed in the persuit of one suspect.
Do you know how many civilans have been killed in Iraq on a notion without proof. WE MUST RELY ON PROOFS. We must not kill civilians regardless of religion.Dont' u think we should learn a lesson and not accuse each other without a proof.
alfatourist 5 years ago
Total number of combatants killed from the Muslim as well as Non Muslim armies during all the wars combined in the life of the prophet, may peace be upon him have been less than four hundred.
alfatourist 5 years ago
Islam is all about moderation. This person is misrepresenting or LYING about Islam. He does not know what he is talking. Look at the history of spain, and Muslims. Who killed the civilans. Crusaders or Muslim? Jews have been happier with muslims in the history.
alfatourist 5 years ago
Islam stands on the principle of cleanliness. One has to be in wudu (pure and washed) to enter kaba.Muslims are required to stay clean. Teeth to be cleaned with miswak or brush. body to be washed after sex. Parts to be washed after one two. Wude breaks with one two three or sex. Nails clipped and pubic hair trimmed removed.
alfatourist 5 years ago
Those who who associate partners are not allowed in Kaba. Allah will not fogive partner association. Don't we see all those who associate parnters gang up against Islam. Partner Association is the Difference Set between Islam and others. Don't u see all partner associators have a common enemy. All partner associators do not feel threatened by each other. Think about it.
alfatourist 5 years ago
Sura 9, verse 29 refers to fighting rebellion by Non Muslims, who do not acknowlege and interfere with the practice. Also, jizya is for non muslims in place of mandatory zakat, military service for Muslims. Muslim Armies have the responisbility to protect non Muslims. Partner Associators religions are not allowed in the premisises of Mecca.
alfatourist 5 years ago
Yea, and the bible is a book of peace...get real! All religions are violent and agressive.
johnottr 5 years ago
Objectivity demands the whole truth to be placed on the table regardless of the interest one has. However, the numbers must be added too, to look at the comparative statement.
Count the number of civilians killed by the armed Non Muslims in Afghanistan, Iraq, Chechnya, Palestine, Lebanon, Bosnia, Kosovo and Kashmir etc.
Now also total the number of Non Muslim civilians killed by the Armed Muslims. Compare it to see which armed people are doing a better job of killing civilians.
alfatourist 5 years ago
Robert Spencer is a pity Islamophobist selling the West State of Art Bunkum as Judy Miller did to tragically trap USA in Iraq for life & turn every Moslem soul into toxic waste. Now all possess NUKE. Iran, Israel, Pakistan, India & Kuwait +Iraq + Afghanistan (US-property).
To a read Sura in Koran. An army of Robert Spencer & a life devotion needed. it is not a Sesame Street Screenplay or bedside story. Fool! Its 5000 years philanthropy . only Almighty & Lord-Muhammad-PBUH translate it.
alakhtal 5 years ago
Islam is a relegion of peace and war, this verses explain it:
Quran:
60:8 As for such [of the unbelievers] as do not fight against you on account of [your] faith, and neither drive you forth from your homelands, God does not forbid you to show them kindness and to behave towards them with full equity: [9] for, verily, God loves those who act equitably.
yassroa 5 years ago
60:9 God only forbids you to turn in friendship towards such as fight against you because of [your] faith, and drive you forth from your homelands, or aid [others] in driving you forth: and as for those [from among you] who turn towards them in friendship; it is they, they who are truly wrongdoers!
yassroa 5 years ago
It's interesting to note that out of all the Jewish massacres that occurred throughout Europe at the time as a result of crusader activity, the numbers come nowhere close to those killed in one single incident in Morocco in 1066.
JonasSalk 5 years ago
That is unfortunately erroneous! Whereas, the Almovides (fanatics trying to fight back the catholics) killed a few hundred jews, who were seen as traitors because of their ties to the catholics, it can in NO WAY be compared to the thousands upon thousands (more than 5000 just in the first crusade in Europe, let alone those burnt in synagogues in Jerusalem by C's). Moreover, when the catholics captured Andalusia, most of the jews moved to Morocco. WHY???? S&M?
obm1412 5 years ago
Death for sexual intercourse during menstruation-
And if a man shall lie with a woman having her sickness, and shall uncover her nakedness; he hath discovered her fountain, and she hath uncovered the fountain of her blood: and both of them shall be cut off from among their people. Lev. 20:18.
hamshow 5 years ago
Wow, great reading comprehension there, moron. That verse states that they should be separated from the rest of the group during that period of time; it does not say "kill anyone who has sex during menstruation." How you could so astonishingly misinterpret that statement is beyond me.
JonasSalk 5 years ago
Well, KORAN English translation is ABC of Islam not HOLOCAUST handbook, that's not crap! KORAN is Top Bestseller ever. nevertheless Islam history has No-murder, No-lies, Lord-Mohd-PUBH is not a Pedophile & never married underage. That's US Amish & Mormon martial style. We don't have any preacher advocate such crap probably a Bilderberg Imam at your end. You will have none curable terminal cancer if you mouth such fabrication about Almighty, KORAN & Lord-Muhammad-PBUH. I warned you.
okbeelzebub 5 years ago
Mohammed married a 9-year-old girl when he was 53. He faught in many battles and even has his enemies assassinated.
charlesmartel3 5 years ago
charlesmartel3
stop it grow up this a prophet not saint Augustin who couldn't sleep without drinking young boys semen.
okbeelzebub 5 years ago
I don't think hes a prophet. That is your opinion.
charlesmartel3 5 years ago
What's your excuse?
seans10 5 years ago
Where in the koran does it say that under ISLAMIC LAW muslims must be egalitarian--i.e., support the equality of all people, esp. in political, economic, or social life--to non-muslims? Remember, I'm talking about people who reject islam under islamic law. It's easy for them to be egalitarian in the US or Europe. They have no choice.
seans10 5 years ago
Can't help but notice that one month has passed since hungryhomer4u's comment and not one muslim on here has challenged this man as a muslim nor his expansionist interpretation of islam. It would be nice, just one time, to see a "moderate" publicly challenge and debate a "radical" on his interpretation of islam. I think that privately the moderates agree with the radicals. The only point they differ on is strategy.
seans10 5 years ago
OMG!!!! Conflicting information! My head hurts! TAQIYYAH! TAQIYYAH! TAQIYYAH!
Hatalles 5 years ago
Well I read through these comments and I don't think I read one substantive argument contradicting anything Spencer says.
seans10 5 years ago
For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath or rest, Holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death. -- Exodus 31:15
Anyone who blasphemes the name of the LORD mus be put to death. The entire assembly must stone him. -- LEV 24:16
Pick your poison...
hamshow 5 years ago
You haven't contradicted him, idiot. Those are quotes from the old testament. He didn't say that the old testament was free of violence. Indeed, the god of the old testament is famously capricious and violent. And you capitalize LORD as if it's a reference to Jesus Christ, which it is not. The "lord" you quote is, so he says, the same one who spoke to mohammed.
seans10 5 years ago
All right. So are you going to condemn the Torah now? Just in the interests of leveling the playing field, you know, seans10.
budavol 5 years ago
Yes, I condemn the torah too. I condemn the torah, the new testament and the koran. I condemn jewish idiots who think that god promised them this or that part of the desert and I condemn christians who support the most repressive elements of israeli society based on their bizarre Armageddonist interpretation of the new testament.
seans10 5 years ago
Oh, well, at least you aren't singling Islam out as many of its critics do. In that case, your opinions are more credible. For my part, as an agnostic, I take a different view, however. I don't put a great amount of stock in holy books. I DO believe that religion has had a positive influence on humankind. It's the radical fringe of each that gives each a bad image.
budavol 5 years ago
The question then is: are the jihadists a "radical fringe" or do they represent a broad tradition in Islam, well supported by quran, hadith, and all the major schools and interpretations of them? I understand that nobody 'wants' to believe this, due to the inherent difficulties the world will face. So I advise you to check for yourself, see where Spencer goes wrong.
charlesmartel3 5 years ago
If by "jihadists" (there are many interpretations of the word "jihad") you mean preemptive warriors of aggression, then no, they DON'T believe that, as has been demonstrated by the big picture of historical events. Al-Qaeda do NOT represent true Muslims, charlesmartel3.
budavol 5 years ago
Whether AlQaeda represents true Muslims is an opinion. They certainly think they do, and they are working in a very broad tradition in Islam. Again, all the major schools and sects of Islam teach warfare to establish Islamic law over the world.
charlesmartel3 5 years ago