you ask whether or not it is freedom.we all HAVE freedom,you give a situation where you are being withheld of many choices, your argument here is one sided.
We are all slaves to our sin, and the only way to freedom is becoming slaves to Christ. A paradoxical statement, but true. By becoming slaves to Christ we are free from sin, and sin is the only thing that makes us faulty. I'd rather be slave to Christ instead of to sin.
1: According to your definition, your god is a dictator.
2: According to the bible, there actually is no free will. There can't be, because god had a plan, and we as humans can't deviate at all. Faith is mental slavery.
3: Sin is a tool to bind people, used by the church. It's invented by the church, so you NEED god.
4: Most religions claim that their god sets them free, but it's always switching masters. Even in satanism, there's a penalty for not obeying him...much like in xianity.
1. sorry rows,God HAS absolute power but he does never dictate your life.
2.if you have a plan for a child does that mean the child has no free will?
3.sin wasn't church created. whomever told you that should really go and see for themselves.
4.he was saying that gods "trap us" i used these analogies to directly show him that it is the exact opposite. and yes there is a penalty for not believing. not like god wants to, it's just how satin deceived the world and it's people.
Do you live your life according to your own will? Or do you follow Jesus saying: "in order to follow me, you have to deny yourselves and take up your own cross"?
"Your will be done"
It is quite obvious that a person of faith puts "God" as the fixed star that directs his life.
in my own life i do tend to live on my will but i try to get gods will and my own in synchronization, yes, Gods will is what i want to be done because he as wise as he is knows what is best for us. we want to live like god wants us to, do we always...no
Gods will is what i want to be done & we want to live like god wants us to because he knows what is best for ones life, i could easily not follow the path he wants me to.
On a sidenote: if I were to point a gun at the head of the person you loved most and I asked you to do something for me and if u disobey, I'd kill that person: is that real freedom?
"Real freedom is when you can say what people do not want to hear."
i need to know which you are implying so i do not trap myself by saying an answer then you change it into the analogy of hell or sin. where this is going, is obvious.
Well sin is the cause for hell, we are looking for the consequence, the pressure, thuis would be hell: you avoiding to answer my analogy shows weakness already.
must i give an instant answer? i need time to find an appropriate answer to this question, i am not backing out, i just need to think, for i am still young and do not have these answers on hand.
1) Again: direct/indirect control: faith is a tool of indirect control.
2) Your life is shabed by faith: not by direct control/use of force, but by being influenced, i.e. indirect control
3) No proof, no fact
4) Satanism - depending on which you sect you take may/may not be a religion. The non-religious part is simply a philosophy: thus not negating my point.
Aglia1, the link does not post, faith and science is the video where it is explained.
FireForHim1Stronger 3 years ago
Keep up the Good Work!!
Always stay strong and endure against the haters of God!
GreenChancellor 3 years ago
Fail! =)
Agila1 3 years ago
Those that love the darkness hate the light.
GreenChancellor 3 years ago
ditto =)
Agila1 3 years ago
don't think i ran...it isn't posting for some reason, just give it time :S
FireForHim1Stronger 3 years ago
Aglia1, your question has been answered before, i will send you a link of VFX's video on this question.
FireForHim1Stronger 3 years ago
eep, VFX? A guy who deletes any comment hat disproves his views?
Well send it anyways..lol
Agila1 3 years ago
you ask whether or not it is freedom.we all HAVE freedom,you give a situation where you are being withheld of many choices, your argument here is one sided.
FireForHim1Stronger 3 years ago
We are all slaves to our sin, and the only way to freedom is becoming slaves to Christ. A paradoxical statement, but true. By becoming slaves to Christ we are free from sin, and sin is the only thing that makes us faulty. I'd rather be slave to Christ instead of to sin.
matros22 3 years ago
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FireForHim1Stronger 3 years ago
Romans 6:16 is a great way to look at the whole slavery issue.
matros22 3 years ago
1: According to your definition, your god is a dictator.
2: According to the bible, there actually is no free will. There can't be, because god had a plan, and we as humans can't deviate at all. Faith is mental slavery.
3: Sin is a tool to bind people, used by the church. It's invented by the church, so you NEED god.
4: Most religions claim that their god sets them free, but it's always switching masters. Even in satanism, there's a penalty for not obeying him...much like in xianity.
rowsdowersavesus 3 years ago
1. sorry rows,God HAS absolute power but he does never dictate your life.
2.if you have a plan for a child does that mean the child has no free will?
3.sin wasn't church created. whomever told you that should really go and see for themselves.
4.he was saying that gods "trap us" i used these analogies to directly show him that it is the exact opposite. and yes there is a penalty for not believing. not like god wants to, it's just how satin deceived the world and it's people.
FireForHim1Stronger 3 years ago
Do you live your life according to your own will? Or do you follow Jesus saying: "in order to follow me, you have to deny yourselves and take up your own cross"?
"Your will be done"
It is quite obvious that a person of faith puts "God" as the fixed star that directs his life.
Agila1 3 years ago
in my own life i do tend to live on my will but i try to get gods will and my own in synchronization, yes, Gods will is what i want to be done because he as wise as he is knows what is best for us. we want to live like god wants us to, do we always...no
FireForHim1Stronger 3 years ago
"Gods will is what i want to be done"
"we want to live like god wants us to"
point made ;)
Agila1 3 years ago
Gods will is what i want to be done & we want to live like god wants us to because he knows what is best for ones life, i could easily not follow the path he wants me to.
FireForHim1Stronger 3 years ago
1: You gave a definition of a dictator, your god fits all criteria.
2: If you set up the universe in such a way that plan will come to fruition, yes
3: Isaiah 47:5
4: Yeah, you failed on that point. Sorry.
rowsdowersavesus 3 years ago
On a sidenote: if I were to point a gun at the head of the person you loved most and I asked you to do something for me and if u disobey, I'd kill that person: is that real freedom?
"Real freedom is when you can say what people do not want to hear."
Agila1 3 years ago
which is the gun here sin or hell?
FireForHim1Stronger 3 years ago
Please answer my question first ;)
Agila1 3 years ago
i can't answer it until i know which gun we are talking about. i need to know what aspect you are getting at so i can answer properly. :)
FireForHim1Stronger 3 years ago
It is totally irrelevant: why can you not answer a simple analogous question?
Afraid of the possible consequences?
Agila1 3 years ago
i need to know which you are implying so i do not trap myself by saying an answer then you change it into the analogy of hell or sin. where this is going, is obvious.
FireForHim1Stronger 3 years ago
Well sin is the cause for hell, we are looking for the consequence, the pressure, thuis would be hell: you avoiding to answer my analogy shows weakness already.
Agila1 3 years ago
Hell was made for satin, not a tool to scare us and Satan is dragging as many people down onto it as he can.
FireForHim1Stronger 3 years ago
It's "Satan", not satin: satin is cloth.
And "Hell" is "Hades", we are talking about the pool of fire from Revelation which is not only for Satan and his angels...
Agila1 3 years ago
...i think you get the point though:) Satan is dragging people dawn with him by his decite
FireForHim1Stronger 3 years ago
that does not answer my question
Agila1 3 years ago
must i give an instant answer? i need time to find an appropriate answer to this question, i am not backing out, i just need to think, for i am still young and do not have these answers on hand.
FireForHim1Stronger 3 years ago
So you do not know the meaing of true freedom, but promote the notion you have 'free will': you should've waited with faith as well ;)
Don't worry, I can be patient.
Agila1 3 years ago
I do understand, freedom and i do understand free will, the question you are asking, has to do with a choice.
FireForHim1Stronger 3 years ago
Free will gives you free choise to live as you please, eh? ;) It is all connected.
Agila1 3 years ago
yes god gave us free will so we could choose whether we believe in him or not as a lifestyle, you are talking of a single choice my friend.
FireForHim1Stronger 3 years ago
Go back to my original question regarding freedom again ;)
Agila1 3 years ago
1) Control can be enforced directly or indirectly.
2) Influence =/= control
3) Sin is real in your imagination, not mine
4) I am not a Satanist
There you have your video refuted :)
Agila1 3 years ago
1) Free will means to control your OWN life, in what way does god control my life.
2)whats your point?
3)Sin is...Real. weather you believe it or not. i can not find a way to prove it to you
4) nowhere did i say you were a satanist, it was an example of a religion that clearly denied your point. sorry, you refuted nothing :)
FireForHim1Stronger 3 years ago
1) Again: direct/indirect control: faith is a tool of indirect control.
2) Your life is shabed by faith: not by direct control/use of force, but by being influenced, i.e. indirect control
3) No proof, no fact
4) Satanism - depending on which you sect you take may/may not be a religion. The non-religious part is simply a philosophy: thus not negating my point.
Refuted again.
Agila1 3 years ago
shaped*
Agila1 3 years ago