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  • not,a,celt,at,all,but,i,love,t­his,song,its,my,ringtone

  • this songs a beast.

  • Sae come aa ye young people, whairever ye're from

    A don't give a damn tae whit place ye belang

    A come fae Argyll in the Heilans sae braw

    Bit A ne'er took it ill bein caad Erin-go-Bragh

    Beannachtaí ó Ghréig!!! Greetings from Greece!!!!

  • I LOVE this song. Thanks for putting it up. Not sure about the meaning of a couple of words. Can anyone help?

    'An the blude fae his napper A quickly did draw'

    --And the blood from his .............. (FACE?) I quickly did draw

    'A come fae Argyll in the Heilans sae braw'

    --I come from Argyl in the Highlands .............. (.ABROAD?)

  • @AcinomPP75 lol. Napper is head I belive and Argyl is a region of scotland on the west coast. Basically he is a scottish gael so the english speaking lowlanders are calling Irish because he looks and sounds it.

  • @shylence Thank you...I now know what napper means! I get the Argyl reference, but still don't understand the last couple of words in that line though - 'sae braw'.

  • @AcinomPP75 it means "so fine" basically :-)

  • @ibitron1 Thanks!!!

  • @AcinomPP75

    Napper = Head

    So Brae = So Beautiful

  • @RecursiveQuery

    and what does  stock-an-interest mean?

  • @amokreutz In this content it would mean personal retribution for the wrongs the policeman/cop has done to him (stock) and further revenge for his corruption and what he has done to other people (and interest).

    Basically he's beating the guy up for all the bad the stuff he's done.

  • Finally, finally found it! First heard on Chieftains' Wide World Over, I've been looking for this song; and now you have the lyrics as well. Excellent work, and thank you very much.

  • This is beautiful.

  • typical ....wtf do you mean ....it's not separatist it's heritage

  • What motivates "the Sepratists"is a dual Hate.First hate is a Racist hate and resentment of the Great English people. ,because of their history. culture and achivements. The second hate,just as strong. is Hatred of the Union of the Great people,s of our island.,for the same reasons.and also because of the religious preference of the majority of the british people. And THEIR HATE is STRONG, they have been organizing for many a day now.And some threaten"violence"!!.. to break the union.

  • @NOVATICANWARS Youre a jackass and an utterly useless eater. Hopefully they depopulate scum like you!

  • @meushubris Their hate is also part of their decadence,The Sepratists have time to indulge in division, divisevness censorship and regulation. True Fascists without a doubt,most of them have sprung from the institutions that nurture Fascisim.Their romantic myths. the harking back to times past .the wallowing in self pity and antiquity,their sense of somehow .. being victims..but true enough they are OUTSIDERS. in every sense, least of all by their own self definition..we observe this,and ..know!

  • @NOVATICANWARS Maybe you should stop being a dick milking mouthpiece for the british empire. Or, maybe youd be a Cass Sunstein disinfo tool? Read some books on the subect and then maybe youll understand how idiotic you sound.

  • @meushubris wow! sounds like we,ve got a yank here.stickin his fat McDonalds ass and fat milk shake nose where it aint needed!Def a fat yank i think.more calories than needed authentic Sugar donut fat scale breakin yank no doubt about it!I dont think you,ve read anything...apart from the back of a Kentucky freid box,you fat overweight fat yank fat baloon of a fat beach ball cola inflated big fat mac burger scoffin 2bit low i,q steer fking interering fat fk.of a Jack fkn daniels Budweiser fat...

  • @meushubris Or mabye we,ve got a "plastic" overfed heavyweight stickinhis big fat mcdonalds in other people.s business.talkin "big" n full of shit n tripe, blowing off shit n nonsense in between mcdonalds farts?Get yourself on diet ya big fat fkn tub of yank lard shit ,you penny pinching trailer trash flea infested fat heavy yank fuckwit! yep no doubt about it yu heavy pavementbreaker! a strict diet wld do your heavy ass (and head) a power of good,and maybe stop yu belchin and shittin tripe...

  • @NOVATICANWARS Id love to respond to any of that, if I could understand douchebag. WTF did you say there? Your moms hooked on large black members, and your dad is too? Lol, sounds like a personal issue.

  • @meushubris your fat Mama and fat overweight junkie sister love "blackPuddings" i,ve heard, was gonna pay them a visit but i lost 50 cents! now go and get yourself on a strict diet you flabby useless fat yank. and keep your big fat Kentucky fried snozle outa other country,s business. Who knows yu maybe find out who your dad was someday,IF yu can DNA the whole of Africa!

  • foe irish unity and scottish freedom. all of this will come to a head in the next few years, if westminster continue to try and gerrymander a scottish referendum or refuse one as only advisory we are not going to sit back and take it hard n fast up the arse. if violence is needed to break the english connection so be it.

    Alba Gu Brath !

  • Tiocfaidh ar la Alba Erin go bragh Brothers the stick yer on a aboot the shinty stick for playing shinty

  • Tiocfaidh ar la Alba Erin go bragh Brothers the stick yer on a aboot the shinty stick for playing shinty

  • I think you lot are missing the point of the song. "I don't give a damn to which place you belong".....????

  • lol angry irishmen

  • You know you have Irish in you if your hair sticks up, you get goose bumps and you feel all giddy inside when hearing such a song as this one. God bless Ireland and Scotland. Together they could rid the English.

  • @EnterpriseFlight oi theres a few of us who are alright!

  • Erin go Bragh means Ireland forever

  • "Typical Irish"

    Those Irish writing songs in Scots again?

  • @Berty2thirty Cudnae hae uttered a word ony better lol

  • what duse erin go bragh meen

  • @kiwifromeastriggs Nicely put! @Connor11091 fuk off wit yer fukin shit

  • Within a political construct Edinburgh (aka Auld Reeky) nowadays, is, technically, in Britain, but what has always been conveniently overlooked is that, unlike England, the sovereignty of Scotland rests with the Scots people. When did the Scots ever renounce by majority their sovereignty? NEVER, the truth is that a small handful of hereditary peers and Scottish MPs sold us down the river for payments of gambling and other debts.

  • TRYNA STEEEEL ME POTTA' GOLD ARE YA?

  • Its about a scotsman who has opened his mind with travel and who has a historical affinity with the Irish.

  • GOD BLESS IRELAND,SCOTLAND AND WALES

  • EDINBURGH IS BRITISH end of story.

  • @stublue44 of course it is, politically. but culture is a whole different kettle of fish. sovereignty is not possession.

  • @stublue44 fuk off ya cunt u english aye ?

  • @stublue44 idiot

  • Great Song...

  • So... I'm from Stoke in England, I'm proud of my country too... Can i sing along with ye?

  • @LOCUkDk Of course you can

  • This was my late fathers party piece, sung when the whisky was flowing - I remember a neighbour performing all the actions to the words of the song, the bashing on the head, rowing away in the boat etc. Great to see the words. Going to see Dick Gaughan tonight in The Cross Keys Hotel in Kelso

  • E pastori che saremo, per te, mio Signore, per te, il potere ha disceso via dalla tua mano, che i nostri piedi possono svolgere rapidamente tuo comando. Noi saremo flusso via un fiume a te e brulicante di anime devono sempre essere. In nomine patris et filii et spiritus sancti.

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  • being an extreme metalhead of 45 years it suits me well to say i love this

  • what does erin go bragh mean?.....

  • @pineapplelover91

    Ireland until the end or Ireland forever

  • @PubAndCulture

    Thanks a lot

  • typical-irish-song-written-by-­a-scot-sung-by-scot--about-sco­tland-now-were-i-irish-i-would­-gladly-take-this-tune-as-my-o­wn-but-it-is-a-scot-mr-gaughan­-who-wrote-these-great-lyrics-­still-a-great-song

  • @paul1x1 too many hyphens, but well put. :)

  • @Thrawn6211 broken-space-bar-no-future-sho­p-where-i-live-new-one-on-orde­r-sorry-i-know-its-annoying

  • This sung in Scots right?

  • @Thrawn6211 in-eglish

  • Been a scot staying in the north of ireland I went home recently and experienced the same and found it odd that my own folk didnt see me as they. Ive only been here for eight year for fs he was from pollock so i give him a by ball

  • wikipedia says it's about a Hihgland Scot mistaken for an Irishman

  • @Arafenion argyll is in the west not the highlands.

  • @wattsite

    Argyll is beyond the highland boundary fault so technically it is in the highlands

    West highlands to be precise.

  • @Hughie62 well kinda up until 1975 it was a county but then it spilt with ardnamurchan, balachulish and kinlochleven in the highlands but most of it in strathclyde

    then after devolution it became a new scottish parlimentary area encompassing all of argyle,bute and dunbarton.

    So we were both right at different times.

  • i dont give a crap were hes from hes awesome!

  • @old python

    Dick Gaughan is Scottish not Irish

  • @andybute

    He's both! If you'd ever seen him perform live, you'd know that!

    His da' was from Co. Mayo, and his mother a Gael from Lochaber. Dick himself was born in Glasgow.

    And he particularly likes this song because it deals with two of his pet hates together: Anti-Irish & Anti-Highlander prejudice!

    Just listen to the lyrics.

  • There's not anyone on the planet who could copy this.

  • Auld Reekie is Edinburgh...

  • death to all english conquerors !

  • Why can't I find "Willie o' Winsbury" on YouTube? One of my OMG life changing tunes.!!!

  • proud irish song....

  • I am embarrassed that I, a 55yr Italian musician have just begun to understand how wonderful the Irish music and how talented the musicians are. I have found a new love for music in the Irish pipes and magical technique in the music of Ireland. God Blessed The Irish and the Irish Blessed the earth.

  • Is "Auld Reekie" Glasgow?

  • @allanfmarsden

    Edinburgh. Brilliant song, btw.

  • Auld reekie is edinburgh, it used to smell of the breweries there.

  • I've been playing guitar for 30 years. I consider myself to be a good guitar player, both electric and acoustic. I don't even bother to try to play this. He's brilliant.

  • BIg man, great song

    Respect

  • I love this song, Handful of Earth is one of the best albums in my collection, real songs from a real musician, been trying to learn this on guitar for the last months DADGAD, capo 5th I think) but just don;t have the technical ability of Dick, immense :)

  • Great!..:-)

  • The song's about a Scottish Gaelic speaker who's mistaken for an Irishman in lowland Scotland.

    He says that he's not but that being Irish is nothing to be ashamed of.

  • Yes, that's all true! But always wondered why "Duncan Campbell" sang this in pure "laland" Scots?

  • brilliant song.............

  • it couldn't be more scots!

  • A great song, even though the lyrics were kinda hard to understand!

  • its about a scottish man being called an irish man, and hes singing about it dosnt matter wer ur from, but bein called an irish man, he nothing against

    love dicko, from Sean Ó Chara from Ireland.....tiocfaidh ar lá

  • also remember that Dick Gaughan's paternal grandfather was from mayo ireland.

  • Have seen the great man perform many times, and he never fails to mention it! Actually, his paternal grandmother was a native Irish speaker, while his own "Ma'" was a native Gaelic speaker from Lochaber!

    He's is in no way ashamed, or has ever denied his Irishness sir! He's a "Gaughan" afterall?

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  • Not to be a dick, love this song, but it's a Scottish song. Though it is a kind of dedication to Ireland.

  • the description is definitely the hammer of the year ;-)

    Great song

  • All Celts,folks. Bugger can play a guitar!

  • Yes, I like this song because it has an obvious thoughtfulness and intelligence to it.

    I wouldn't be surprised if the scots were to actually beat the irish to full independence and sovereignty. it's a funny old game politics.

    Many free state irishers will argue that the 26 counties represent an independent and sovereign irish republic but I totally disagree with that. If anything the 26 county state actually confirms the lack of independence and sovereignty of the irish nation.

  • lol, it would only be fair, scotland have been fighting for freedom for longer!

  • the free staters are more english in the way of getting on than the nationalists in the north occupied counties... for real!!! the free state dosnt want independence, because they are sell outs....

  • free state sellouts... left us in the north on our knees...never forget it

  • lol

    irish song, my arse

  • it's a scottish song; you're absolutely right!

  • Also must point out ' AULD REEKIE ' is the slang name for Edinburgh! The song describes a Scotsman from the north who travels to Edinburgh and encounters a policeman!!

    Napper = Head

    Twa = Two

    Auld Reekie = Edinburgh

    Paw = hand

    Polis = police

    Blackthorn = refers to his walking stick made of wood

    Hielans = Highlands

    Braw = Bonnie-beautiful

  • @Moireach1

    I believe this is about an Irishman. Erin Go Bragh means "loyalty to Ireland" or "Ireland forever".

    While you probably are right about the Blackthorn being his walking stick; ive heard it a different way: traditionally Blackthorn describes a very hard wood used to make walking sticks or clubs, like police clubs. I have heard that this means he took the club from the police and beat him to death with it.

  • @scaryalbino1987 huh that movie Boondock Saints said Aron Go Bragh meant your fucked. Hollywood is so full of shit. Loyalty to Ireland forever.

  • @HOLLOWPOINTRECORDS

    They just meant Loyalty to Ireland... aka your fucked

  • @piper1188 You're*

  • @piper1188 thats definetly true. I'm an American and definetly proud of my Irish roots

  • @scaryalbino1987 i think the line "I come from Argyll in the Highlands so braw" should pretty much resolve any argument, its about a Scotsman from the highlands being mistaken for an Irishman. Although there are far worse things to be mistaken for

  • @lurak9 you are absolutely right, the first time heard this song it was through an old pair of ear buds on a bus going down a bumpy dirt road. If you think back to the first time you heard this song; it is not exactly easy to interpret when there is no excess noise. Kind put myself at a disadvantage. I now know every lyric so there is no argument from me.

  • @scaryalbino1987

    "I come from Argyll in the Highlands so braw" It's about a Scotsman from the north being mistaken for an Irishman . There are many issues the song deals with, bigotry and so on. Nevertheless, there are also many sub-themes the song deals with which are truely fascinating if a person understands the complexity of Scots-Irish politics and cultural ties, especially when considering the time from which the song comes.

  • @Moireach1 just incase anyone is interested Auld reekie translates to english as " old smoky"

  • @Moireach1 Are you actually from Scottish or Irish? I'd love to usue the last term for my boyfriend i have german and irish in me and hope after school to back to Dublin

  • BEFORE READING THE BELOW, you must remember the geographical, historical and cultural closeness of Scotland and Ireland! There are places where you can easily see one country from the other!! By that I mean actually make out the other country....! I believe at closest point its about 9.75 miles from landmass ! This doesn't included the closeness of one anothers island territories!!

  • Ireland isn't as close to Scotland as England is.

  • You are wile observant!

  • The song is a traditional SCOTTISH FOLK tune from the time of the Irish wars of independence circa late 19th early 20th century. You can draw from it what you will ( as Dick himself draws his meaning from it)

  • but in essence it addresses the sympathy many Scots had for the Irish cause due to the shared geographical, historical and cultural roots in contrast te the other side of the coin, that being pro-british Scotland whose seat of power has always been Edinburgh ( just as Dublin was once the seat of british power in Ireland ), the policeman representing british authority!

  • Many people get the tune muddle up with the song ROW IN THE TOWN which sometimes goes by the same name! this song was written in the early 60s late 50s ! I believe it was the Wolfe Tones who had the big it with it aff their Album Rifles Of The IRA !

    The Wolfe Tones of course spent a lot of time in Scotland, mainly Glasgow and heard much of Scottish folk music

  • (basically a lot of the songs are the same as the Irish songs with a few words changed here and there, many of the traditional Celtic songs are shared between the twa countries) and will have definitely heard Erin go bragh, BRIAN WARFIELD basically admitted as much! If you listen closely the twa songs are very similar in key change and tempo, although there are deferent takes on the song Erin go Bragh One of my personal favourites is by the Scottish singer, LEWIS FLEMING!

  • The phrase itself is most likely a colloquial take of the GAIDHLIG (Scots Gaelic) phrase Erin Gu Brath, Basically meaning Ireland forever, although people can be PATHETIC and nitpick over the meaning and the origin of the phrase which does not MATTER A JOT

  • Because Scots and Irish Gaelic are soooooo similar, they both derive from the same language! To give you an example of how similar the languages are, a Scots or Irish Gaelic speaker can more or less understand the others language without any problem! I myself am an adequate Gaidhlig speaker and can make out the meaning of Irish Gaelic without any problem!

  • ALSO, NOTE, the person who made this video clearly hasnt got a full grasp of what is going on, firstly by stating it is an Traditional Irish Song and secondly by the written lyrics that appear, which are supposed to be in colloquial Scots English, but are off the mark with some of the things Dick is sings! This tells me the person who made the video is definitely NOT SCOTTISH lol !!

  • this is a scottish song, he even sings " nor am i a paddy" (irish person). alba

  • This version is scottish, however the usual Erin Go Bragh is very much irish

  • but its about ireland u dimwit, the title means ireland forever

  • I don't understand the dialect well but he clearly says "I am not a patty though ireland I've been" and at the beginning he says he's from "the shire Argyll" which is in western scotland. They call him "Erin Go Braugh," that doesn't mean he or the song is Irish...dimwit.

  • im from argyll and so is dick and argyll is in scotland altho he is also irish but all the places he mentions are in scotland.

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  • Eem... This song is Scottish. Sorry to burst ye're bubble.

    Still...

    EIREANN GO BRACH!

    Anyway... Bule Skittle, Alex.

  • Hey, if it's Scottish, then it's Erin Gu Brath, cause it would be Gaidhlig, not Gaelic, yeah?

  • Yes... it would.

    I don't speak any Gadhlig.

    P.S. It's Gaelige, not Gaelic...

  • "Handful of Earth" is a classic by any standard. God bless you, Dick Gaughan.

  • As Americans write casually in American english, or Aussies, we write in our dialect, it's just what we do, as a peolpe!!

    Also most off it is really dulled down, you should see what it's really like when we casually write to one another!

    So with all due respect, Fuck off!

  • Perhaps because the song is in Scots/ Lalands maybe?

  • good ol dick gaughan. great song. alba agus eire go deo. Pity to here some slave like statements from some Scots down below there like bloeddeappelflap. onward to an independent socialist ireland and independent socialist scotland. fuck evil imperialism. peace and love xxxxxxx

  • No disrespect meant, man, but what the fuck does the independence of Scotland/Ireland have to do with socialism? And I speak as a screaming commie gobshite, the point at which a socialist party is formed that has solid, effective plans fer the formation of an independent Scotland, I'll be right up there wi all o ye. If there already IS such a party (not the SNP. Fuck any form o nationalism), then I hope ye can all forgive me fer me ignorance. If not, well... I stand by what I said.

  • Yer a bad man!! Or either from a anglo-jock middle or upper middle class background or a un ionist background because they are the only ones who don't want oor independence! Get oot yer house son and meet the people! We want te be free! Or yer just a pain in the arse student!! lol! Also I think yer getting confused by semantics, things like Scottish nationalism, SNP! they aren't fascism, it's not the BNP!! it's about fighting for a land, a people and culture, the most noble of pursuits!

  • Working-class Lothian, amusingly. after havin' done some more research, I've come te a conclusion. I think independence is a great idea, but isnae anywhere near organized enough (yet) te bring anything but pain an' chaos. If I see a good plan fer "Oor Independence" I'll support it, but no right noo. Instant independence wid turn us inte what the English claim we are. Let's prove the bastards wrong fer a change!

    Also I see no-one can name a party wi good plans. Kinda strengthens ma point, eh?

  • Ummmmm......I don't think this is an Irish song. makes no sense. Argyll is in Scotland and it's in Scotts not gaelic.....cool. Scotland wha hae.

  • i can't see your point, the Irish had been ruled by the english for 900 years and we are not doing to bad on our own, i support Scottish independence because i think it will pave the way towards a United Ireland, if a referendum is given to the Scottish then its time for a green paper to be put forward in Ireland

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  • As Burns said "It´s coming yet for a´that". Scotland will be free again.

  • This truly is a fascinating time, I'll deal with Scotland first and the reasons why we are now on the verge of leaving the so called union(although there is still far te go)! Many Scots have always wanted independence but because of the auld working class allegiance te the labour party(which is pro-union, as it is essentially, in it's formation, an english party)

  • would never consider voting for the SNP. Also the anti SNP propaganda there has been doon the ages in the Scottish media is staggering, even a couple of months ago I was watching some news program where a prominent english, clearly upper middle class london-centric journalist(I think he does art history programmes but i forget his name, it's no the real posh one, he's quite tall with floppy hair but i can't remember his name), was being questioned about Scottish independence

  • & all this interview comprised of was him disdainfully rubbishing the idea of independence and the SNP by spouting half truths and worst of all trying te integrate the religious question into the argument by the back door, spouting that the SNP is traditionally a protestant organisation, insinuating that Catholic people should not vote for them because of this( It truly was despicable but done ever so subtly and veiled)!

    But ask yerself:-

    Why was this man being interviewed in the first place?

  • Wat did he have te do with Scotland, Scottish independence or Scottish politics? except being english and pro-union, which is no reason or validation for his views on the subject, other than te rubbish things!

    Wat purpose did the bbc have in broadcasting this interview?

    Anyway I've digressed, the working class in Scotland r leaving traditional labour support & now turning toward the SNP. The fact they are now in power indicates this also the loss of the glasgow east te the SNP signals change

  • ( 1 wee extra point on anti-SNP propaganda in the media, when the SNP lost te Labour in the Glenrothes by-election the whole media made oot like it was the end of the SNP blah blah blah, that it was a dramatic loss, when this was a seat Labour had te hold and the Labour vote was doon dramatically and the SNP's was up dramatically in terms of swings! This was a traditional Labour strong hold seat that they only just managed te keep hold of!

  • Nevertheless, this was an SNP loss!!! They used the fact Alec Salmond had said the SNP where going te win the seat as a flaw in his character, that he was arrogant! Yet all party leaders say their party will win elections! It was also pointed oot te me that when similar situations happen doon in england, it's portrayed in the media far more favourably for the loosing party, things are starting te swing their way! Double standards and a british controlled media! De ye see wat we're up against)!!

  • However, the Scots will NEVER vote on mass for the tories and the libs will always be a side party, the only twa viable forces in Scottish politics are the SNP & Labour. We ken all SNP voters are pro-independence and we ken a lot of Labour voters are pro-independence so this only leads te the conclusion independence is now a viable reality!

  • Now, the North's integration into a united Ireland will only be achieved with baby steps and a lot of assurances and those baby steps have already started te happen! (those idiots that shot the sodjers an the pollis the other week truly showed staggering naivety and stupidity if their aim is a united Ireland) I don't ken how they thought it would be helpful! Over zealous fools most likely!

  • Dearest Moireach1,

    I've nae problems with yer sense o' Scottish heritage (I share with ye in that sense), but can't ye see that independance wid be the end o' us all? We've been a union with England fer too long te survive without them; the economy's completely interlinked! If we split, England & Scotland would turn inte twa warring anarchist states wi' only fear an' chaos te offer their people. In short, we'd be thrown back about 900 years. Is that what ye want, lad?

  • The integration into a united Ireland will be helped by Scotland's break from the union as it will make even the most hard line unionists rethink their position! The only thing i fear is that they all up sticks and try an move te Scotland because we don't want them!(Joke)! However, that would never happen as they ken deep down their not Scottish, but fe the North of Ireland, IRELAND! Yet if you ask them what they'd de if Scotland left the union, the answer you'd get would probably be denial!

  • Ok, It's fairly simple really, If Scotland votes(democratically) to leave the so called union, the unionists in the north of Ireland don't have a leg te stand on,political or morally because the land which they USE to justify historical and political links to the union(Scotland) will have rejected the very idea of such a thing!

  • The North & it's people have no historical or political allegiance of merit to england or wales so the unionists will have no other option than to except what they truly are, a product of culturally manipulated celtic peoples!

    This is all possible partly to do with the rejection by the younger working class protestant generations in Scotland

    of the auld bigoted pro-british institutions which brainwashed people with the myth of a britain inclusive of Scotland, of scottish britishness!

  • These institutions being the lodges, Masons,Orange and so on which many working class families in fact the vast majority had order members. The decline in these institutions and of the Church who promoted Queen and country have allowed Scots to discover their true selves once more, which doesn't include the desire to be Governed by the english!

  • Political, historical and cultural half truths are always used by the educated pro-british in order to confuse and mask the fact that Scotland is a nation which still lives under a form of imperialism. However now Scots are

    becoming savvy to this and the natural desire to dictate ones own future comes to be. The dog on a leash example of currant self governing is no longer kidding people! However, change does take time and auld ingrained ideas only die with this

  • If your from Donegal you should know this, there's still Orange order marches there that go on! I think that's fairly funny though! Usually holiday home Orangemen I've heard!

    Nevertheless, we're getting away from the fact that once Scotland leaves the crumbling claws of the union,

    The unionists in the north will have to rethink who and what they are which can only lead to one thing, if they can't call themselves british, or Scottish, there is only one thing left to call themselves, Irish!

  • Theyll probally create something else again....

    Sure historically many did call themselves Irish! Many protestant and presbytarians that left north Ireland, to america for religious freedom refferred to themselves as Irish (as opposed to "Ulster Scot")

  • Seamus, the more I have looked into the Scots Plantation of Ulster, the more I see they were used too! Often they were actually forced from lowland Scotland to take new land in Ulster by their landlords.

    They were bloody hard working farmers, who took on land in Ireland that no Irish would have attempted, in west Donegal for example, they farmed the scrub and heather that was "worthless" to Irish farmers. But Scots were used to much poorer, crap land just like home! The Scots are hard to hate!

  • I don't know what it is I'm supposed to know, or what gives you any reason to suppose I'm ignorant of it!

    What comment of mine gives you reason to jump to this conclusion? That there are a small number of Orangemen in the Rebublic? Did I say there were not?

    I was at pains to point out that I am not a Unionist, and would not purport to speak for them. I don't know what Loyalty Unionists may have to a dissolved Union. It's beyond my ken! I want to hear from them, but unlikely here.

  • I didn't think you where ignorant of anything and was just pionting out that in Donegal life still goes on for the Orangemen withoot any bother, withoot any real trouble to talk off( was refering te it also as I de kinda think it's quite funny)

  • Yes it does, you're right! And throughout the whole of the rebublic the same is true. God, there are plenty of Irish of Scots Protestant roots in Ulster, but not in NI, who (through no fault of theirs), found themselves in the Rebublic/Free Ireland after Partition. To their credit, they just got on with it!

    I have no problem with my Proddy brethern, nor even Orangemen! I think you might agree, it's not the Lodge members who spout their hatred,drink "Buckie", and riot! It's the "hangerson"!

  • It was this comment pal that made me think I missed something!

    I would genuinely love to engage the Unionist community in this debate, but I don't know if this is even something they want to consider: What if the Scots decide to end the Union?

    I can understand to an extent that it leaves them powerless, like they have been sold out by their own. But there must be many a Unionist who has at least "thought" this possibility through?

    Gie' us yer patter ma Proddy pals? I want to know!

  • There will always be a division in Ireland, even a united one, because as you should Know, culturally the north is far more like Scotland than the far south(although that isn't saying much because there is not that much difference to start with) but the fact remains that Scotland is the key to a united Ireland. The two countries have always been linked, geographically, culturally and historically and once again, the future of one depends upon the other!

  • whatever! have a good st paddys day

  • damn, i'd give a lot to play this as guaghan does, with all that clean strumming and fast fingering..

  • "Sae come aa ye young people, whairever ye're from

    A don't give a damn tae whit place ye belang..."

    Words to take with you folks.

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  • th queen can suck her own cock i know she has one she took our 6 counties of ireland bitch UP THE RA FUCK THE QUEEN

  • I think you miss the point of the song! It's not in support of Sectarianism at aw'! And there's a 1,000 things wrong with your assertion to boot! Go join a Rangers forum and leave thinking folk alone!

  • fuck you