@GabZx16 It is a measurement machine, it makes very precise measurments of critical characterisitics on any particular part. Many of its functions are automated to speed up the process while minimizing measurement error.
@GabZx16 Its a meassuring probe (super accurate, like 0.000001"), I use them at work; he is probably checking the diameter of that crankshaft part to see if it will fit and revolve properly inside the engine.
I'm doing a a-level project on motor engines and could someone tell me what cycle this engine and most other car engines use please? Is it the 4-stroke 'Otto' cycle?
That's a can of worms all in its own. I can imagine the issues they had with intake design by using the staggered cylinder arrangement. The thermal issues around that are probably a bit nasty.
The thermal issues I'm looking at are the staggered exhaust ports that create hot spots, possibly warping the cylinder head and causing head gasket failure. The head castings themselves are definitely more complicated than your average chevy small block.
The assemblage appeared meticulous, but there could be aliens 'out of phase' that are loosening the bolts after they are tightened. So, truthfully, you never know if all the bolts are torqued right. An engine should be a solid state device which wirelessly beams current to front and rear electric differentials. Incidentally, the Sun has 1 spherical virtual crankshaft. Virtual stuff is reliable.
its strange there are people I know in garages that makes engines that are more powerful, and can almost do the same speed as this car in only a quarter mile.
@hokiecb30 its not like "two narrow angle V8's". Its called a "W" 16 because of the way the pistions are layed out in the cylinder head. 2 rows of cylinders per head. They end up making a W pattern.
@ImprezaRacerSTi LOL. A "W pattern 16" IS two narrow angle V8s. The "narrow angle" means the V8 has a "V" so narrow that both rows of cylinders can be fit under one cylinder head. 90% of the worlds V8s are splayed 90* because it is the natural firing order for an 8-cylinder crankshaft. (The exception being flat, 180* crankshafts.) The easiest way to describe the W16 is: two "11* V8s", each under one cylinder head, sharing a common crankshaft...With 4 turbos...lol
@isamike Think about it this way, each cylinder only needs to make about 62 hp, so to make a 1000 hp is not asking a lot. Just look how small those pistons are. But your still right, the rods should have been thicker. but i am sure weight was an issue when making the motor, so anyway they could have shaved a couple of pounds helps the performance and handling of the car.
@chevv08baby It's easy to forget that is is a 16 cylinder engine. I dont think they are a particularly high revving engine either. But what ever they have done, they've done it right.
@chevv08baby the rods don't need to be thicker, if they were that would be a lot more reciprocating weight and would lower the engines RPMs which would mean less ponies. each cylinder does not make as much hp as you think either. when was the last time you have seen a 499cc single cylinder make 62 hp? you have to remember this is not a naturally aspirated engine it has 4.....4 turbos in it.
@thatscrazy360 My 450 WR Yamaha makes 65 hp and its a single cylinder. My point wasn't about it being a N/A or turbo motor. The bigger the motor's cubes are or the more pistons there are, the engine doesn't have to work as hard "There's no replacement for displacement" The rods are not think because this w16 motor acts like a diesel, it revs slow and doesn't rev high, low boost, and each piston is the size of a 302 motor.
@chevv08baby I was just pointing out that less weight means you can have higher revs...i never actually said it was a high revving engine. and just because you add more cylinders means it easier for the engine to turn over? no not exactly it makes the engine run MUCH smoother yes but you have to remember you are also adding more reciprocating weight and not only that but more friction the amount of reciprocating weight and power balance each other to a certain point.
@chevv08baby and no i doubt your WR450 makes 65 hp and if so what did you do to it and where are the dyno sheets...65 is really high considering they usually make 45-50 hp stock
this is the privilage of being poor, u watch and learn how the engine is made and assembled . but imagine u own this car ,for sure u wont give a fuck for this !!!!!
That's pretty clever, the computer is keeping track of which bolts/nuts are being torqued - as they're being torqued. Is an employee clicking a mouse? Does the computer just indicate which to torque and the guy with the wrench click a button each time he tightens a nut?
There is no evidence of AMG using any kind of gloves while assembling the pistons into the cylinders. They even use very similar tool to what Bugatti mechanics use in this video, difference being that the tool is for the whole cylinder group on each side of the cylinder block. That is indeed quite essential in serial production like some of you here have stated and it is of course possible to install the pistons without such tool but it is not really a suitable way here.
1:55 to 2:22. Compare these two steps to AMG's. AMG Inserting the piston into the cylinder is done by hand with cotton gloves. These guys use a METALLIC TOOL on the head itself, then throw the fucking thing down! Then look at the fat cunt straight after, he's not even looking at what he's doing! Very poor.
That tool is designed for this purpose and it will not damage the piston or the block. The head was not shown at all in that part of the video. What makes you such a pro engine builder that you can criticize professional engine builders? Using a tool to insert (not throw) the pistons into the block is much easier and lowers the risk of damagin anything.
@TraxxasKing , I agree with you. Since Gazzz87 can't tell the dif between a block and a head he has no place to criticize. I have built a few small blocks in my life and the way they did it is how I learned to do it. I have to see the video he's referring to. Without using a ring compressor, how can you insert the piston?
u see that screen the green and yellow circels with numbers in it... this shows you if a scre is correctly or to smooth ... its cleared by computer technologie .. that means u just take the automatic screw driver and just press the button till it stops so fucking easy... and germans want you to study for it and learn everything like a doctor ^^
@SawyerAero well the car does not sell it is auctioned between 1.2-1.8 million US dollars an engine alone prolly $200,000 and i think that is at least
oh my gosh, that's so innovative, they check the torque specs with a computer, and if they miss a screw/bolt, the computer let's them know. AWESOME!!!!! clean work shop too.
It is, but I work at a car factory and they use a computer at every nut and bolt on the engine, same with the manufacturing of the body itself. Or even tightening the wheelnuts.
@mannythegreek100 "There's something zen-like about this video." the fact that no one is talking, and everything is understood, two people working on an engine, both know exactly what to do. mutual understanding.. it's a beautiful thing to see!
This thing is all aluminum and still weighs a staggering 880lbs! To put that into perceptive an all aluminum big block chevy with the same displacement only weights around 550-580lbs. There is such a thing as too many cylinders guys!
Design of these W engines are great, but W16 is way bigger, so I think that 12 cylinders are better option since V12 engines are naturally balanced, but longer than W type. German engineers probably looking for natural balance. 500 cc per cylinder is best option, so that's why many 4 cylinders have 2 liters, 6 cyls have 3L, 8 cyls have 4L, 12 cyls have 6L, and 16 cylinders are 8 Liters.
8 liters in V8 is not very good at high RPM, since V8 engines are NOT naturally balanced.
@2jzgtejza80 I was comparing weight vs displacement and the W16 is quite heavy for its size.
It really depends on what you mean by "naturally balanced"
A crossplane V8 has second order balance and first order imbalance that is compensated for with heaver counter weights and results in a smooth running engine. That's why the displacement limit on a crossplane V8 is much higher than that of a flatplane. The con of that is a slower reving engine. The pro is much larger displacement potential.
V12, R6, flat engines don't need balance shaft. Next, many engines with crossplane crank can rev 8500-10,000 rpm (example: Lexus LF-A). Biggest engines with flat-plane crank design produce huge power and they are 6.0, 6.6 even 7.3 liters, so displacement is not problem. But sure, biggest displacement (crossplane design) diesel and gasoline engines are 12L, 15L even bigger (trucks, buses, boats).
@2jzgtejza80 That's interesting considering I can't find a flat plane V8 over about 3 or 4L in a practical application. Maybe you can shed some light on real word examples of large flat plane V8's? I did a search looking for 6 to 7L flat plane V8's and could'nt find any.
My point is flat plane is great for smaller displacement V8's, not so great for large displacement V8's. You might be able to get by with a large displacement flat plane if you don't mind the second order imbalance/vibrations.
"8 liters in V8 is not very good at high RPM, since V8 engines are NOT naturally balanced."
Pro stock engines which generally run around 8.2L usually rev to around 9000rpm and make in the area of 1400HP or 170HP/L all motor. It doesn't seem like they have a problem with RPM or HP. 9 grand is pretty good for an 8L engine with 1000cc cylinders.
You can't hold a 8L V8 to the same standards of RPM as a much smaller 500cc/cly 4L V8 flat plane crank or not.
You are probably from US, so you probably dont know many about EURO cars/engines.
There is many high displacement engines in Europe with flat-plane crank design, mostly performance engines and for racing. 1.5, 2.0 (2.4 -3.0), 3.2, 4.4, 3.6, even 3.9 like 4.0 V8 and 4.4 V8 flat-plane are usually called small V8's in Europe. High displacement engines are mostly V10 or V12.
Ferrari using 6.0 and 6.3 V12 engines with flat crank. Also Aston Martin, TVR, Mercedes >>(Zonda)..etc.
@2jzgtejza80 Okay, so I was right. There aren't really any flat plane V8's over 4ish liters. To be clear that's all I was talking about, V8's not 10's or 12's I'm sure there are plenty of those that are flat plan and over 4L. What "we" (I guess that means many Americans) don't like about 10 or 12 or 16 cylinders is they can be quite heavy and large on the outside for their displacement. As I've said, an all aluminum W16 cly weights about 880lbs, an all aluminum 8L V8 weighs about 550lbs.
Yes, you are right 7 liters flat plane V8 are not even capable to produce without very high vibrations and balance is catastrophic. Biggest V8 flat plane ever produced is 4.8 or 5.0 liters, nothing bigger.
I understand you, but racing cars need small displacement V8's because they are light, and torque only cause steer all race and traction is 50% max, which is very bad. why Germans dont produce engine like LS7?? There is several reasons, but one is most important, LS7 have very bad throttle respond, and rev matching isnt possible like on small V8's. That's why reason German DTM cars running on 4.0 V8 producing 650 bhp at 9500-10,000 rpm even higher.
@2jzgtejza80 LS7 has bad throttle response? Compared to what? Smaller engines? Its no secret smaller engines tend to rev quicker, but that doesn't make them better. For a 7L V8 the LS7 has great throttle response.
European track cars might work best with smaller engines but that kind of racing doesn't appeal to everybody you know. Small engines don't work so well for drag racing, for example.The engine has to match the application. That's the important thing.
Oh, dont get me wrong, LS7 is not bad engines, of course it's way better for anyday driving than BMW M3 V8 or Audi V8 in R8, but in racing they are rare, specially in Europe, Japan, Australia, where price can rise up to 20,000+ $ for brand new (crate engine). GM engines are only popular in US, they are cheap there and you can find parts almost in every shop (laugh). GM produce about thousands of LS7 engines per year, so must be cheaper than Mercedes V8 SLS (only 500 engines).
W16 engine is heavy, but Mercedes AMG 6.3 V8 in new SLS is same weight as LS7, and more powerful. So DOHC design can be light also. New Ferrari 6.3 V12 is about 225kg (495 Ibs), BMW M3 engine is light as LS2, but more powerful, Porsche 3.8 from GT3 RS is lighter than whole LS series, producing far more horses than any engine in this series, except LS7.
European engines have better power to weight ratio (new one), so i believe that even high technology gives advantages.
LS1 and LS2 are similar weights. Last time i checked on GM list, they claimed 440Ibs for fully dressed (not included liquids). LS3 is about 450Ibs, LS7 about 460 Ibs (Best choice-most powerful). LS9 about 530-540 Ibs.
Prices are small in US, but not in the rest of the world.
Also drag racing isnt popular in EU and Japan anymore. We are more for dynamic motorsport. Drag racing is just boring. In terms of power EU engines are more powerful even naturally aspirated (no turbo).
Europeans dont like patriotism of US people. Here in EU rules are simple. Only important is who wins, not who spent less money. Drag racing cant be compared to any motorsport discipline, since, Motorsport is second name of Europeans. Engines that produce 8000 bhp are supercharged (75psi boost=5 bars) + using high explosive fuel (oxidation). Again, you cant compare rocket science with masterpiece engineering.
That must be why people like you routinely compare completely different types and methods of building engines and racing and always seem to conclude that yours is better than everybody else's.
There are plenty of Americans who are arrogant too, but you seem to take pride in being arrogant. If I have to read one more time that you think your type of racing is superior to any other type I think I'll vomit.
If you really want to know what is F1, attempt to buy a book on the history of F1, believe me you will be surprised.
From 1950's.21st century some parts of F1 technology is also used later in NASA. F1 is the art of engineering, best mechanical engineers. I'm fun and ex-owner of Jap cars, but i love and respect European engineering = cradle of motorsports. I respect ALMS, IRL, NASCAR. Drag racing is like teenage sex, lasts few seconds, and also respect your opinions. cheers.
Also from your last posts you cant compare apples to oranges. NHRA Drag racing category, Pro Stock using highly tuned racing engines from 500 to 935 CUI, producing from 1200-2200bhp. These engines are torque monsters. Power per liter is not important to this engines.
@2jzgtejza80 You are probably from Europe so you probably don't know about American cars/engines. =)
NHRA Pro Stock engines are limited to a maximum of 500 ci (8.2L) and they usually produce about 1400HP. Some other racing bodies, the ADRL and MMPSA for example, allow for more that 500 ci but not NHRA. So I did compare apples to apples, at least as far as displacement is concerned, after all.
Pro mod on the other hand allows up to 820 ci (13.4L) on gasoline and N20 or 527 ci (8.6L) supercharged.
@2jzgtejza80 You need to check again. NHRA pro stock engines are limited to 500ci (8.1L) and produce 1400HP and 820 lb/ft of torque. Even the F1 V10 only made 800HP and 250 lb/ft of torque. Again, here is the really important part: A pro stock engine only cost about $80,000. An F1 engine cost about $350,000 or more. So a pro stock engine only cost about $57/HP an, F1 engine cost $437/HP.
See, you just compared apples to oranges. Your F1 engine costs over 4 times more than a pro stock engine.
500 CUI (8.2L) reving 10,000 rpm and producing 1400bhp is not impressive as, F1 V10 made by BAR Honda, or BMW Williams, or Ferrari or Mercedes. 3.0L V10 engines produce between 950bhp and 1100bhp depends about trim. Newer 2.4L V8 produce 720-800bhp. In 2005. BMW tested their engines capable reach 1200 bhp with 3.5L engine on 19,200 rpm. Honda reached ~1000bhp in 2005. from 3.0L at 19,000rpm.
Average 618 CUI or 720 CUI block fully build for Pro Stock cost 60,000 -80,000 $. Next, these engines are usually heavy even compared to some old 454 Iron blocks, they are huge. I saw one 632 CUI here in EU in custom built drag car, it's 2 times bigger (dimensional) than F1 engine, and weights 4 times more.
reason why F1 engines are most expensive, because of highest technology, specially made parts, exotic materials (same used in NASA).
Big V8 engines are not common in EU because of very high taxes, but some manufacturers produce 5.0, 5.4, 5.5, 5.6, even 6.0 liters. Mercedes have 6.2 and 6.3 liters V8 engines (Merc. SLS). Biggest V8 engine produced in Europe for car is Russian ZIL 410 model with 7.7 L (470 cubic inch) V8.
FLAT-PLANE design: Aston Martin One -77 = 7.3 V12 Mercedes 750bhp, TVR = 7.7 V12, 800bhp, Pagani Zonda R= 6.0 V12, ALL Ferrari V8 and V12, Porsche CGT 5.7 V10, ALL Lambos, etc...
W8? wtf
UniversalHere 3 weeks ago
so was gefällt mir ja zusehen......sehr intressant
BoerniG60 1 month ago
it's not Bugatti it's vw.I will never buy nazi car
motorniczy7777 1 month ago
at 1.36 i always wondered what that thing is or do...that robotic thing with a strange needle. anyone can tell me?
GabZx16 2 months ago
@GabZx16 It is a measurement machine, it makes very precise measurments of critical characterisitics on any particular part. Many of its functions are automated to speed up the process while minimizing measurement error.
fjrchooser 2 months ago
@GabZx16 Its a meassuring probe (super accurate, like 0.000001"), I use them at work; he is probably checking the diameter of that crankshaft part to see if it will fit and revolve properly inside the engine.
DANMALaGUTI11 1 month ago
I'm doing a a-level project on motor engines and could someone tell me what cycle this engine and most other car engines use please? Is it the 4-stroke 'Otto' cycle?
Nicosh1471 3 months ago
@Nicosh1471 its a standard 4 cycle design like most all car engines
kmrjeep 2 months ago
@kmrjeep ahh great, thanks :)
Nicosh1471 2 months ago
500 hp VR8 anyone?
alexcheetah79 3 months ago
Sixteen cylinders, 32 rod bolts, 32 rocker arms, 64 valves, 64 retainers, 128 keepers. I can see why it takes so long to put together.
The LS1 has main caps.. The Veyron engine has a huge bottom half.. Wow..
mikeb1444 3 months ago
@mikeb1444 It takes more time to engineer a engine rather than taking it apart and putting it back together.
Fille3133 1 month ago
@Fille3133
That's a can of worms all in its own. I can imagine the issues they had with intake design by using the staggered cylinder arrangement. The thermal issues around that are probably a bit nasty.
mikeb1444 1 month ago
@mikeb1444 Well that's why it has 10 intercoolers.
Fille3133 1 month ago
@Fille3133
I think the number of radiators it's equipped with has to do more with the shape of the car, than the engine properties.
mikeb1444 1 month ago
@Fille3133
The thermal issues I'm looking at are the staggered exhaust ports that create hot spots, possibly warping the cylinder head and causing head gasket failure. The head castings themselves are definitely more complicated than your average chevy small block.
mikeb1444 1 month ago
That's for the VW Bug, right?
daluke61 3 months ago
@daluke61 the VW made Veyron ! its like Chevy made corvate..
0cBROOKLYNc0 2 months ago
I had one of these but always had to bump start it in the mornings.
snevets123 3 months ago
The assemblage appeared meticulous, but there could be aliens 'out of phase' that are loosening the bolts after they are tightened. So, truthfully, you never know if all the bolts are torqued right. An engine should be a solid state device which wirelessly beams current to front and rear electric differentials. Incidentally, the Sun has 1 spherical virtual crankshaft. Virtual stuff is reliable.
seapeddler 3 months ago
its strange there are people I know in garages that makes engines that are more powerful, and can almost do the same speed as this car in only a quarter mile.
BrandosRides 4 months ago
@BrandosRides With 1 turbo and 8 cylinders as well, or even 1 supercharger.
fish8me88 4 months ago
Are the pistons titanium because they look like it. What is the stroke size? What is the connecting rod legnth?
recon7857 4 months ago
For a engine that produces 1000+ horsepower it's amazing how fragile the crankshaft looks
zoezoejoe 4 months ago
this makes me meditate
vitoperformance 4 months ago
that crankshaft is insane!
playstationRLZ 4 months ago
I would give up SO MUCH DIGNITY to have one of these guys' jobs.
MrJplz2514 5 months ago
i dont like he fact that he's not wearing gloves, leaving fingerprints on the piston, disgusting.
sscholle333 5 months ago
V16 not w 16 -.-
skoczekxd93 5 months ago
@skoczekxd93 No,its a W16, two narrow angle V8's creat a "W", thats why they named it that.
hokiecb30 5 months ago
@hokiecb30 its not like "two narrow angle V8's". Its called a "W" 16 because of the way the pistions are layed out in the cylinder head. 2 rows of cylinders per head. They end up making a W pattern.
ImprezaRacerSTi 4 months ago
@ImprezaRacerSTi LOL. A "W pattern 16" IS two narrow angle V8s. The "narrow angle" means the V8 has a "V" so narrow that both rows of cylinders can be fit under one cylinder head. 90% of the worlds V8s are splayed 90* because it is the natural firing order for an 8-cylinder crankshaft. (The exception being flat, 180* crankshafts.) The easiest way to describe the W16 is: two "11* V8s", each under one cylinder head, sharing a common crankshaft...With 4 turbos...lol
By the way, *=degree
Mieden 4 months ago
@skoczekxd93 it's W16. BTW are You stupid or insane?
RozowyOgorekKiszony 4 months ago
@RozowyOgorekKiszony fuck you in the ass
skoczekxd93 4 months ago
@skoczekxd93 cry.
RozowyOgorekKiszony 4 months ago
@RozowyOgorekKiszony chuj ci w dupe jebany polaku
skoczekxd93 4 months ago
its huge.
carsdankandchicks 5 months ago
@carsdankandchicks That's what she said.
rocketpropulsion 5 months ago
4:52 LÖL Lkw Motor xD
rusvolanchik 6 months ago
Where is all the assembly lube???? doesn't look too safe/fun to me, unless they pre pressurize the system before rotating.
ironhydroxide2 6 months ago
beautiful..................thanks for posting. I agree Manny. as a master tech and engine builder I find this very delightful too !
1MtnBoy 6 months ago
...but it's still a VW.....
barthoedemaker 6 months ago
1001 HP, I thought the conrods would have been much thicker?
isamike 6 months ago
@isamike depends on the diameter of the Rod journal too. these look pretty big, almost as large as the Main's.
1MtnBoy 6 months ago
@isamike Probably a strong alloy.
Mjarf88 6 months ago
@isamike Think about it this way, each cylinder only needs to make about 62 hp, so to make a 1000 hp is not asking a lot. Just look how small those pistons are. But your still right, the rods should have been thicker. but i am sure weight was an issue when making the motor, so anyway they could have shaved a couple of pounds helps the performance and handling of the car.
chevv08baby 6 months ago
@chevv08baby It's easy to forget that is is a 16 cylinder engine. I dont think they are a particularly high revving engine either. But what ever they have done, they've done it right.
isamike 6 months ago
@chevv08baby the rods don't need to be thicker, if they were that would be a lot more reciprocating weight and would lower the engines RPMs which would mean less ponies. each cylinder does not make as much hp as you think either. when was the last time you have seen a 499cc single cylinder make 62 hp? you have to remember this is not a naturally aspirated engine it has 4.....4 turbos in it.
thatscrazy360 6 months ago
@thatscrazy360 My 450 WR Yamaha makes 65 hp and its a single cylinder. My point wasn't about it being a N/A or turbo motor. The bigger the motor's cubes are or the more pistons there are, the engine doesn't have to work as hard "There's no replacement for displacement" The rods are not think because this w16 motor acts like a diesel, it revs slow and doesn't rev high, low boost, and each piston is the size of a 302 motor.
chevv08baby 6 months ago
@chevv08baby I was just pointing out that less weight means you can have higher revs...i never actually said it was a high revving engine. and just because you add more cylinders means it easier for the engine to turn over? no not exactly it makes the engine run MUCH smoother yes but you have to remember you are also adding more reciprocating weight and not only that but more friction the amount of reciprocating weight and power balance each other to a certain point.
thatscrazy360 6 months ago
@chevv08baby and no i doubt your WR450 makes 65 hp and if so what did you do to it and where are the dyno sheets...65 is really high considering they usually make 45-50 hp stock
thatscrazy360 6 months ago
To be quite honest, I am not that impressed. I was expecting to be wow'd and unfortunately I was not.
dobbins2550 6 months ago
coolest job ever
hittman561 6 months ago
i`d kill to have this job :(
branzalito 6 months ago
Bugatti...an Italian man with franch lab....today german assembled engine....poor Ettore!
sardosfish 7 months ago
thats is moters vw makes the best moters in the world:P
Line6Dk 7 months ago
4:07 Bugatti - *ding*
zpunout 7 months ago 2
@zpunout hahahahhahahahahha
willbarine 7 months ago
don't drop it.
FHFCFB100 7 months ago
this is the privilage of being poor, u watch and learn how the engine is made and assembled . but imagine u own this car ,for sure u wont give a fuck for this !!!!!
taiou20 7 months ago
That's pretty clever, the computer is keeping track of which bolts/nuts are being torqued - as they're being torqued. Is an employee clicking a mouse? Does the computer just indicate which to torque and the guy with the wrench click a button each time he tightens a nut?
mae951 7 months ago
where do I get one of those cool piston ring tools? granted you probably need a special one for each and every size of piston still those are cool.
DARKSCOPE001 7 months ago
funny how the text on the screen at 2:57 is german :D
LukeLamping 7 months ago
@LukeLamping Why? It's Volkswagen's plant... in Germany... with German workers.
Rob3ZA 7 months ago
@Rob3ZA whooops :D thought it was in france...
LukeLamping 7 months ago
There is no evidence of AMG using any kind of gloves while assembling the pistons into the cylinders. They even use very similar tool to what Bugatti mechanics use in this video, difference being that the tool is for the whole cylinder group on each side of the cylinder block. That is indeed quite essential in serial production like some of you here have stated and it is of course possible to install the pistons without such tool but it is not really a suitable way here.
OneIsDifferent 7 months ago
I desperately want to put this in mum's bluebird one day when she's not looking...
Spoojjy 7 months ago
This engine is POS!
An Civic VTEC would rock this any day!
smasila 7 months ago
Yes, I would like to also thank you for making this video available WITHOUT useless, annoying and stupid music.
327409427 7 months ago
1:55 to 2:22. Compare these two steps to AMG's. AMG Inserting the piston into the cylinder is done by hand with cotton gloves. These guys use a METALLIC TOOL on the head itself, then throw the fucking thing down! Then look at the fat cunt straight after, he's not even looking at what he's doing! Very poor.
Gazzz87 7 months ago
@Gazzz87
That tool is designed for this purpose and it will not damage the piston or the block. The head was not shown at all in that part of the video. What makes you such a pro engine builder that you can criticize professional engine builders? Using a tool to insert (not throw) the pistons into the block is much easier and lowers the risk of damagin anything.
TraxxasKing 7 months ago 2
@TraxxasKing , I agree with you. Since Gazzz87 can't tell the dif between a block and a head he has no place to criticize. I have built a few small blocks in my life and the way they did it is how I learned to do it. I have to see the video he's referring to. Without using a ring compressor, how can you insert the piston?
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kgrissom1958 7 months ago
VW RULES!
Faewen1 7 months ago
u see that screen the green and yellow circels with numbers in it... this shows you if a scre is correctly or to smooth ... its cleared by computer technologie .. that means u just take the automatic screw driver and just press the button till it stops so fucking easy... and germans want you to study for it and learn everything like a doctor ^^
pitbullizer90 7 months ago
its cam shaft is bigger than a prius's crankshaft
thiagov6123 8 months ago
@SawyerAero well the car does not sell it is auctioned between 1.2-1.8 million US dollars an engine alone prolly $200,000 and i think that is at least
bigfred64 8 months ago
Very cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ferrari150simson 8 months ago
this is art only art
jcrivi 8 months ago
I bet even the Japanese techies drool at this
barthoedemaker 8 months ago
Thank you for making this video WITHOUT some stupid music track.
doppydufus 8 months ago 149
@doppydufus I agree, its such a peaceful quiet build process, its like the quiet before unleashing the beast :D
jameslinton50 7 months ago
@doppydufus amen to that.
faostube 7 months ago
oh my gosh, that's so innovative, they check the torque specs with a computer, and if they miss a screw/bolt, the computer let's them know. AWESOME!!!!! clean work shop too.
bieli0 8 months ago 4
@bieli0
nothing innovative there... they do that at every car factory in the world
KoMDraegast 4 months ago
@KoMDraegast never seen that before. interesting to watch.
bieli0 4 months ago
@bieli0
It is, but I work at a car factory and they use a computer at every nut and bolt on the engine, same with the manufacturing of the body itself. Or even tightening the wheelnuts.
KoMDraegast 4 months ago
27 people own a ford fiesta!
91cannibal 9 months ago
I wanna hear that engine
MrOmarr1991 9 months ago
@MrOmarr1991 listen to a bugatti
matthatesford 8 months ago
@MrOmarr1991
I already have a bugatti in my dreams :)
MrOmarr1991 8 months ago
Germany, where amazing happens...
MadPyrotechnicus 9 months ago
This is were the magic happens :-D
TheMysterion01 9 months ago
Damn awesome.
davidpoiu62 9 months ago
god i finaly understand how it works.this is truely brilliant though youve gotta say
lotsblocks 9 months ago
now lets rev it
yorrickwi 9 months ago
This seems less precise than the Merc AMG engine production video.
blp0 9 months ago
Peak Oil ha ha ha
largespliff 9 months ago
1:40 millimeter precision :)
FlowPhille 9 months ago
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FlowPhille 9 months ago
they make it look so easy
retrydk 9 months ago
Nice video. It time to build one of those things!
TheRealDealinlife 10 months ago
w16 looks like a v not a w
NeeKroVal 10 months ago
Well damn. Is it a hospital operating room or a factory?
Chavagnatze 10 months ago
ahhr my dream is to work in this fabric
golyyyj 10 months ago
What about the crank shaft? Is it forged or turned from a raw piece of metal?
IronPump89 10 months ago
@IronPump89 Forged, you cannot make a crankshaft by any other mean, you can but no one would pay the price.
Arieiro71 10 months ago
there must make it from aluminium bugatti veryon is a 2 ton car
akinorhan5 11 months ago
There's something zen-like about this video.
mannythegreek100 11 months ago 40
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@mannythegreek100 "There's something zen-like about this video." the fact that no one is talking, and everything is understood, two people working on an engine, both know exactly what to do. mutual understanding.. it's a beautiful thing to see!
bieli0 8 months ago
I would love to work here. It's a workshop that actually pays attention to detail! That is what i'm good at!
mealsy 11 months ago 2
I'd get a 'compact' V12 over this any day.
wololo10 11 months ago
they seem to be slamming it together rather quickly, and I noticed they were being cheap with the assemly lube lol.
bigdaddy234567 11 months ago
Those cylinder heads are MASSIVE!
clerdman1 11 months ago
bet even that crank shaft costs more than my 00 gti vr6
riderunion 11 months ago
That wouldn't be a bad job to have..
Dogurasu 11 months ago
This thing is all aluminum and still weighs a staggering 880lbs! To put that into perceptive an all aluminum big block chevy with the same displacement only weights around 550-580lbs. There is such a thing as too many cylinders guys!
Warblade118 1 year ago
@Warblade118
but they don't run 1000+hp daily, do they?
janusvananus 11 months ago
@janusvananus For the what a Bugatti engine costs a 1000HP 8L twin turbo V8 would be very easy to build or buy.
Warblade118 11 months ago
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@Warblade118
but they don't run 1000+hp daily, do they?
janusvananus 11 months ago
@Warblade118
Design of these W engines are great, but W16 is way bigger, so I think that 12 cylinders are better option since V12 engines are naturally balanced, but longer than W type. German engineers probably looking for natural balance. 500 cc per cylinder is best option, so that's why many 4 cylinders have 2 liters, 6 cyls have 3L, 8 cyls have 4L, 12 cyls have 6L, and 16 cylinders are 8 Liters.
8 liters in V8 is not very good at high RPM, since V8 engines are NOT naturally balanced.
2jzgtejza80 11 months ago
@2jzgtejza80 I was comparing weight vs displacement and the W16 is quite heavy for its size.
It really depends on what you mean by "naturally balanced"
A crossplane V8 has second order balance and first order imbalance that is compensated for with heaver counter weights and results in a smooth running engine. That's why the displacement limit on a crossplane V8 is much higher than that of a flatplane. The con of that is a slower reving engine. The pro is much larger displacement potential.
Warblade118 11 months ago
@Warblade118
V12, R6, flat engines don't need balance shaft. Next, many engines with crossplane crank can rev 8500-10,000 rpm (example: Lexus LF-A). Biggest engines with flat-plane crank design produce huge power and they are 6.0, 6.6 even 7.3 liters, so displacement is not problem. But sure, biggest displacement (crossplane design) diesel and gasoline engines are 12L, 15L even bigger (trucks, buses, boats).
2jzgtejza80 11 months ago
@2jzgtejza80 That's interesting considering I can't find a flat plane V8 over about 3 or 4L in a practical application. Maybe you can shed some light on real word examples of large flat plane V8's? I did a search looking for 6 to 7L flat plane V8's and could'nt find any.
My point is flat plane is great for smaller displacement V8's, not so great for large displacement V8's. You might be able to get by with a large displacement flat plane if you don't mind the second order imbalance/vibrations.
Warblade118 11 months ago
Back to what you said.
"8 liters in V8 is not very good at high RPM, since V8 engines are NOT naturally balanced."
Pro stock engines which generally run around 8.2L usually rev to around 9000rpm and make in the area of 1400HP or 170HP/L all motor. It doesn't seem like they have a problem with RPM or HP. 9 grand is pretty good for an 8L engine with 1000cc cylinders.
You can't hold a 8L V8 to the same standards of RPM as a much smaller 500cc/cly 4L V8 flat plane crank or not.
Warblade118 11 months ago
@Warblade118
You are probably from US, so you probably dont know many about EURO cars/engines.
There is many high displacement engines in Europe with flat-plane crank design, mostly performance engines and for racing. 1.5, 2.0 (2.4 -3.0), 3.2, 4.4, 3.6, even 3.9 like 4.0 V8 and 4.4 V8 flat-plane are usually called small V8's in Europe. High displacement engines are mostly V10 or V12.
Ferrari using 6.0 and 6.3 V12 engines with flat crank. Also Aston Martin, TVR, Mercedes >>(Zonda)..etc.
2jzgtejza80 11 months ago
@2jzgtejza80 Okay, so I was right. There aren't really any flat plane V8's over 4ish liters. To be clear that's all I was talking about, V8's not 10's or 12's I'm sure there are plenty of those that are flat plan and over 4L. What "we" (I guess that means many Americans) don't like about 10 or 12 or 16 cylinders is they can be quite heavy and large on the outside for their displacement. As I've said, an all aluminum W16 cly weights about 880lbs, an all aluminum 8L V8 weighs about 550lbs.
Warblade118 11 months ago
@Warblade118
Yes, you are right 7 liters flat plane V8 are not even capable to produce without very high vibrations and balance is catastrophic. Biggest V8 flat plane ever produced is 4.8 or 5.0 liters, nothing bigger.
2jzgtejza80 11 months ago
@Warblade118
I understand you, but racing cars need small displacement V8's because they are light, and torque only cause steer all race and traction is 50% max, which is very bad. why Germans dont produce engine like LS7?? There is several reasons, but one is most important, LS7 have very bad throttle respond, and rev matching isnt possible like on small V8's. That's why reason German DTM cars running on 4.0 V8 producing 650 bhp at 9500-10,000 rpm even higher.
2jzgtejza80 11 months ago
@2jzgtejza80 LS7 has bad throttle response? Compared to what? Smaller engines? Its no secret smaller engines tend to rev quicker, but that doesn't make them better. For a 7L V8 the LS7 has great throttle response.
European track cars might work best with smaller engines but that kind of racing doesn't appeal to everybody you know. Small engines don't work so well for drag racing, for example.The engine has to match the application. That's the important thing.
Warblade118 11 months ago
@Warblade118
Oh, dont get me wrong, LS7 is not bad engines, of course it's way better for anyday driving than BMW M3 V8 or Audi V8 in R8, but in racing they are rare, specially in Europe, Japan, Australia, where price can rise up to 20,000+ $ for brand new (crate engine). GM engines are only popular in US, they are cheap there and you can find parts almost in every shop (laugh). GM produce about thousands of LS7 engines per year, so must be cheaper than Mercedes V8 SLS (only 500 engines).
2jzgtejza80 11 months ago
@Warblade118
W16 engine is heavy, but Mercedes AMG 6.3 V8 in new SLS is same weight as LS7, and more powerful. So DOHC design can be light also. New Ferrari 6.3 V12 is about 225kg (495 Ibs), BMW M3 engine is light as LS2, but more powerful, Porsche 3.8 from GT3 RS is lighter than whole LS series, producing far more horses than any engine in this series, except LS7.
European engines have better power to weight ratio (new one), so i believe that even high technology gives advantages.
2jzgtejza80 11 months ago
@2jzgtejza80 An all aluminum 383 (6.2L) only weighs 420lbs. You've got to compare apples to apples.
Also those euro engines cost ALOT more than a LS2 or LS7 and I think some of them are turbocharged so they should be more powerful.
Warblade118 11 months ago
@Warblade118
LS1 and LS2 are similar weights. Last time i checked on GM list, they claimed 440Ibs for fully dressed (not included liquids). LS3 is about 450Ibs, LS7 about 460 Ibs (Best choice-most powerful). LS9 about 530-540 Ibs.
Prices are small in US, but not in the rest of the world.
Also drag racing isnt popular in EU and Japan anymore. We are more for dynamic motorsport. Drag racing is just boring. In terms of power EU engines are more powerful even naturally aspirated (no turbo).
2jzgtejza80 11 months ago
@2jzgtejza80 "We are more for dynamic motorsport. Drag racing is just boring. In terms of power EU engines are more powerful even naturally aspirated"
This is why some Americans don't like Europeans. You seem to have a superiority complex.
I’d never think to suggest to anyone that my type of racing is superior to any other type of racing the way you just did.
And btw, its not the Euros that make the most powerful racing engines, its Americans at 8000HP. But that doesn't make us superior.
Warblade118 11 months ago
@Warblade118
Europeans dont like patriotism of US people. Here in EU rules are simple. Only important is who wins, not who spent less money. Drag racing cant be compared to any motorsport discipline, since, Motorsport is second name of Europeans. Engines that produce 8000 bhp are supercharged (75psi boost=5 bars) + using high explosive fuel (oxidation). Again, you cant compare rocket science with masterpiece engineering.
2jzgtejza80 11 months ago
@2jzgtejza80 sigh...
"All that matters is who wins."
That must be why people like you routinely compare completely different types and methods of building engines and racing and always seem to conclude that yours is better than everybody else's.
There are plenty of Americans who are arrogant too, but you seem to take pride in being arrogant. If I have to read one more time that you think your type of racing is superior to any other type I think I'll vomit.
Goodbye.
Warblade118 11 months ago
@Warblade118
If you really want to know what is F1, attempt to buy a book on the history of F1, believe me you will be surprised.
From 1950's.21st century some parts of F1 technology is also used later in NASA. F1 is the art of engineering, best mechanical engineers. I'm fun and ex-owner of Jap cars, but i love and respect European engineering = cradle of motorsports. I respect ALMS, IRL, NASCAR. Drag racing is like teenage sex, lasts few seconds, and also respect your opinions. cheers.
2jzgtejza80 11 months ago
@Warblade118
Also from your last posts you cant compare apples to oranges. NHRA Drag racing category, Pro Stock using highly tuned racing engines from 500 to 935 CUI, producing from 1200-2200bhp. These engines are torque monsters. Power per liter is not important to this engines.
2jzgtejza80 11 months ago
@2jzgtejza80 You are probably from Europe so you probably don't know about American cars/engines. =)
NHRA Pro Stock engines are limited to a maximum of 500 ci (8.2L) and they usually produce about 1400HP. Some other racing bodies, the ADRL and MMPSA for example, allow for more that 500 ci but not NHRA. So I did compare apples to apples, at least as far as displacement is concerned, after all.
Pro mod on the other hand allows up to 820 ci (13.4L) on gasoline and N20 or 527 ci (8.6L) supercharged.
Warblade118 11 months ago
@Warblade118
Last time I checked 900CUI blocks are allowed. Minimal is 500CUI producing mostly 1200 bhp@9000 rpm.
Formula 1 engines produce 1000 bhp from 180 CUI blocks, see, technology always wins.
2jzgtejza80 11 months ago
@2jzgtejza80 You need to check again. NHRA pro stock engines are limited to 500ci (8.1L) and produce 1400HP and 820 lb/ft of torque. Even the F1 V10 only made 800HP and 250 lb/ft of torque. Again, here is the really important part: A pro stock engine only cost about $80,000. An F1 engine cost about $350,000 or more. So a pro stock engine only cost about $57/HP an, F1 engine cost $437/HP.
See, you just compared apples to oranges. Your F1 engine costs over 4 times more than a pro stock engine.
Warblade118 11 months ago
@Warblade118
500 CUI (8.2L) reving 10,000 rpm and producing 1400bhp is not impressive as, F1 V10 made by BAR Honda, or BMW Williams, or Ferrari or Mercedes. 3.0L V10 engines produce between 950bhp and 1100bhp depends about trim. Newer 2.4L V8 produce 720-800bhp. In 2005. BMW tested their engines capable reach 1200 bhp with 3.5L engine on 19,200 rpm. Honda reached ~1000bhp in 2005. from 3.0L at 19,000rpm.
2jzgtejza80 11 months ago
@Warblade118
Average 618 CUI or 720 CUI block fully build for Pro Stock cost 60,000 -80,000 $. Next, these engines are usually heavy even compared to some old 454 Iron blocks, they are huge. I saw one 632 CUI here in EU in custom built drag car, it's 2 times bigger (dimensional) than F1 engine, and weights 4 times more.
reason why F1 engines are most expensive, because of highest technology, specially made parts, exotic materials (same used in NASA).
2jzgtejza80 11 months ago
@Warblade118
Big V8 engines are not common in EU because of very high taxes, but some manufacturers produce 5.0, 5.4, 5.5, 5.6, even 6.0 liters. Mercedes have 6.2 and 6.3 liters V8 engines (Merc. SLS). Biggest V8 engine produced in Europe for car is Russian ZIL 410 model with 7.7 L (470 cubic inch) V8.
FLAT-PLANE design: Aston Martin One -77 = 7.3 V12 Mercedes 750bhp, TVR = 7.7 V12, 800bhp, Pagani Zonda R= 6.0 V12, ALL Ferrari V8 and V12, Porsche CGT 5.7 V10, ALL Lambos, etc...
2jzgtejza80 11 months ago
Dude at 2:50 is Chuck Norris
bigsunman 1 year ago
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geratmathew 1 year ago
You would think that the Chuck Norris jokes would get old after a while!!
Rottie48 1 year ago
What a sweet engine. Chuck Norris has one on his leaf blower.
AltRage 1 year ago
the most over engineered engine ever...
mYOzZyKaT 1 year ago
The make it look so easy!
Trevo711 1 year ago
I didn't know they make W8s... What is that used in? Some Bentley?
thekkl 1 year ago
@thekkl Volkswagen Passat W8
watch?v=CaVaspfMe4
jfv65 1 year ago
in da future u will find these w16 engines in ur tractors...
BMS5621 1 year ago
could do with one of those to power my shower
drsnippers 1 year ago
Germany's still got it
nathanwilefrazier 1 year ago 4
its like 2 would-be vr8 engines.
highdeserthater 1 year ago
look how happy they all look
151soccer 1 year ago
holy crap, that crankshaft has more journals than Anne Frank
brysmith89 1 year ago 3
i would love to have 3 litre 2 stroke engine which due to having 2 more power strokes than a 4 stroke would 6 litres off power
JOCKATEO 1 year ago
If I was helping the construction of W16 engine for the bugatti veyron my dick would be hard 24/7
cornflakes002 1 year ago
if every engine was made that slow .they would last longer thats one nice engine
beboploo 1 year ago
-"Sorry sir, you have a blown head gasket."
-"FUCK!!!!!"
SirTaylorRyan 1 year ago
THAT'S A FFFUCKING JOB TO DO.....!!!
:)
SKARKIBANEZ 1 year ago
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i saw a bugatti sign at 4:34. does this mean that bugatti engines are built in germany?
chaghar 1 year ago
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chaghar 1 year ago
How many this engine totally has? should be more than 1000
bonfido 1 year ago
hahaha, comparing this to Ferrari production plant, i recently saw in tv in 2 different docs.
ferrari looks like a WWII production plant.
naturalyshocked 1 year ago
.01 mpg
MeAndMyM14 1 year ago
i wonder how many bolts they had left at the end!
hashleyplant 1 year ago 2