Planet dinosaur part 1 - Question to creationists.

[karlene8089]

God dident say mass extinction wasnt posable

[AfricanWildDog54]

Millions of years to us is like one day to God, possibly. So when it comes to evolution taking so long and Creation "taking so long", it all ties in. Can't you see? Don't be blind, people! Any challenges to me I think I can take, so feel free to ask questions.

[HODthunderwolf]

@AfricanWildDog54

Three questions;

Do you really believe I haven't heard this before?

Do you accept evolution?

What is your denomination?

[AfricanWildDog54]

Archeologists said the Hittites were never real. Until of course, findings showed written proof that the people were real. So there you have it. Also, referring to creation, mentioned by xradelox before. Yes, he's right. Since when did the Bible say God literally TOOK one day? In the Bible- in the book of Peter- it has been stated one day to God is like one thousand days to us. You have to remember the Bible uses different ways of explaining things, so you have to think to yourself: A millenia.

[AfricanWildDog54]

Also, it said the Behemoth could easily withstand the flow of the Jordan at it's mightiest, and that it ate grass like an ox. Diplodocus or another species of saurapod. Huge. Limbs like iron. Plant eaters. Strong. Gigantic tails. You may say the Bible cannot be accurately trusted, but many "faults" in the Bible found by archeologists were later disproven by other historical finds that SUPPORTED the Word. Take the Hittites for example.

[AfricanWildDog54]

Now back to the Leviathin. The Leviathin was said to be a great creature of the sea, and could easily destroy someone as if they were a fly. To him, anything can be crushed. With ease. Doesn't that fit a mosasaur or liolpleurodon? I mean, come on people. I know my Dinosaurs, for a fact. Now to the Behemoth. The Behemoth was described as huge, with a tail like a cedar and legs like bars of iron. Don't say Elephant, I mean, really. You see Elephants with huge tails like a cedar?

[AfricanWildDog54]

Think about it. Both have scales. Both are met in different sizes according to different fossils or legends. Both are ferocious. Both are REPTILES. It all ties in. Fire breathing has been said by scientists to be an evolutionary possibility, so who knows, maybe Dinosaurs did breathe fire. For wings, pteradactyls easily possessed that feature. And since Dinosaurs and pteradactyls are similar in many ways, they could have been merged together through story telling down generations.

[AfricanWildDog54]

Even after The Great Flood, there are Biblical accounts of people seeing Dinosaurs. Go to Job, for example. It speaks of a Behemoth and a Leviathin. BOTH descriptions match those of Prehistoric animals. Let's discuss the Leviathin first. The Leviathin was described as a great monster of the sea who left destruction in his wake, and breathed fire. You may say: Oh animals can breathe fire, this is just a lie. You're wrong, then. Dragons have been so many times been proven to possibly be Dinosaurs.

[AfricanWildDog54]

One thing: It's called fishing. Who knows, maybe Noah and his family actually took floating bodies to feed to the carnivores. Also, I'm sure plenty of plants were uprooted. Think about it. Flood waters could rush down cliffs and tear trees from the ground and other plants, providing the Ark with a feast of floating food. As I said earlier, dead bodies would be a sure deal to carnivorous animals. Also, about the Dinosaurs: Noah did take them on the ark. Proof? Plenty.

[karlene8089]

dinosaur went extinct after the flood because there was not enough air for large animals

to funtion properly thus they were hunted to extinction

[mimarp478]

@karlene8089 what about small dinosaurs? you do know not all dinosaurs were huge and why did other prehistoric animals and plants die out as well?

[xradelox]

Adam was created in 4026 BCE so humans have been here for a little over 6,000 years. But because the 6 creative "days" were 6 unspecified periods of time, the earth and animal life on it could very well have been around for millions of years prior to Adam's creation. We don't know how long each "day" was. So the Bible does NOT say that animals/dinos were not around for a long time before us. The Bible is scientifically acurate in every way. If you're confused on a point, send me a message :)

[xradelox]

Contrary to popular belief, the Bible does NOT claim that God created everything in 6 literal days. The term "day" just means an unspecified period of time. The Bible doesn't specifically mention dinos, but that doesn't mean that it's saying they didn't exist. It's very possible that dinos were here before the flood, and then were wiped out in it. Hey! There's your mass extinction of dinos.

[CCCRanger]

God destroyed the world and all life? and saves only two animals of any kind, then to slowly rebuild everything? if he was targeted by a virus could wipe out the human race can, why God has not written his story to read in all languages​for all times at the sky, but scratched on clay tablets .God was God at all? He has identified himself as the? with a passport?

[xradelox]

@CCCRanger Noah was instructed to take 2 of each unclean, and 7 of each clean beasts. (If you're wondering what clean and unclean refer to, send me a message). That meant a male and female pair for the unclean, and 3 pairs plus 1 extra for the clean. Flying creatures were to be by 7 as well, 3 pairs plus 1 extra (Genesis 7:2,3). There was no need to take swimming creatures because they could swim. Any questions, shoot me a message :)

[CCCRanger]

... the ark had aquarium / terrarium for freshwater fish, amphibians, etc on board .. how could the panda zb years do without bamboo?

[CCCRanger]

what the animals have eaten well after the flood? have the beasts waited 20 years until the herbivores again had enough large populations, and the herbivores, until the soil new plants were, who has collected all the animals around the world and then re-exposed and previously also checked whether the two specimens also healthy and fertile willing are, and how long have all the animals on the mountain endured without food

[xradelox]

@CCCRanger Noah was instructed to take enough food for his family and the animals. They were on the ark for around 380-400 days. So a little over a year. It's not impossible for a group of animals or humans to go that long on rationed food. And when they got off the ark, the earth had been drying for months. It's not impossible for there to have been plants already growing.There probably were many bodies of swimmers that didn't make it to sea as the waters dried that they could have eaten first.

[howdoyousayme]

There is no evidence of a world wide flood. In fact the evidence shows that there was never a world wide flood. Creationists like to point out that civilizations all over the world all have a flood story - which is true - but what they don't ever say is that the time frame of these different floods do not match - they are separated by hundreds and in some cases thousands of years. Come on people use your brain - it's why it evolved!

[CricketTealeaf]

There was a flood. There is scientific evidence of this. The sahara desert was once underwater, as was most of north america. Just because the bible isn't 100% accurate doesn't mean it's all wrong.

[Hobu123]

@CricketTealeaf

There is absolutely ZERO scientific evidence about any world wide flood, which is exactly the reason why scientists abandoned the silly flood idea already on 18th century. North America was largely underwater during Mesozoic era, at time of dinosaurs, and that was not a "flood", that was a "sea". And that has nothing to do with any stories in Bible.

[CricketTealeaf]

@Hobu123 ...blah blah blah. Read my comment again please and don't put words in my mouth or my post. Thank you.

[sonikku956]

The comments below make me feel glad that I am a evolutionist that believes in God. I can agree and disagree with Creationism and Evolutionism

[Dragonzord571]

@sonikku956 Finally someone like me.

[PROWLER2103]

GOOD VDO

[edwardreid]

Bishop Usher came up with the 6000year old earth bit in the late 1890s or early 1900s In those days dinosaurs were a museum curiosity and paleontology was in it's infancy. During the next 100 years science has confirmed by many fossils and dating systems that earth is way older then he originally thought. The sumarian clay tablets show that the genesis account is much mpore detailed then the bible shows as the bible uses snippets of the original sumarian epics as a basis for the creation story.

[Gojiraking1]

No disrespect to you or other evolutionists, but I really hate when people try to assume that ALL creationists simply ignore scientific finding. I am a creationist but I also believe in evolution. How does this work you ask? I believe evolution is the answer to how, not why.

[HODthunderwolf]

@Gojiraking1

well perhaps I need to define what type of creationist I am addressing.

creationists who believe that god magically spoke the various forms of animals and plant life into existance in it's current form using magic.

[Gojiraking1]

@HODthunderwolf No I do not believe that, I believe that god created our world as well as the universe through science, and to me "magic" is simply science we cannot yet fully understand or might never understand. Example, the bible says that when god first made the universe he said "let there be light" I'm pretty sure the big bang made a lot of light, lol

[Rocketdream7]

@HODthunderwolf so you believe what, that we evolved from monkeys and that people who believe in god are incorrect? If thats so, then keep those thoughts to yourself. Nobody cares what you think regardless of your intentions. Someday, we will all see the truth.

[HODthunderwolf]

@Rocketdream7

I don't 'believe' we evolved from monkeys, I know for a fact that we share a common ancestor with all apes, monkeys, and in fact every organism in existance. And I do not believe that because of this people who believe in a God are incorrect, these points are not mutually exclusive - you can both believe in God and accept evolution. You will never see the 'truth' by dying, you can only learn the truth while alive.

[Rocketdream7]

@HODthunderwolf If you believe in evolution, it isn't fully being a Christian. That's being BioLogos, a god-directed evolution theory. Those are 2 totally separate things. You see, I don't care what you believe in at all, but you don't need to go around saying how basically creationists are wrong. I could spend an hour telling you evidence that we have on our beliefs. In fact, there is evidence that clearly supports our claims.

[HODthunderwolf]

@Rocketdream7

I don't mean to sound blunt but there is NO evidence at all that supports creationism.

And most of the worlds christians accept evolution.

And my video explained 1 of the billions of reasons creationists are wrong.

Tell me, how does a creationist explain the information within my video?

[Rocketdream7]

@HODthunderwolf Really? OK, I will explain. 1 finding that supports our claims is the finding of fossilized flesh in a T.Rex femur. If the fossil was as old as it is said by evolutionists, then why would flesh still be inside the bone? Oh, and no offense, but I couldn't even understand your video. You were mumbling the whole time. Oh, and carbon dating isn't even an accurate science. It's made up of guesses and estimates. I can also explain the bone bed layers on my next post.

[HODthunderwolf]

@Rocketdream7

Fossilized flesh? I think you answered yourself. The flesh was still there because it was fossilized...turned to stone.

Carbon dating isn't a science, you mean radiometric dating, and this is as accurate a science as any. Dates are cross confirmed by other radio-active decay clocks which all point to the same age. So that's different methods of analysis all indicating the same age. Pretty much conclusive.

[Rocketdream7]

@HODthunderwolf If only you would look at the facts. Carbon dating isn't accurate at all. Radio-active decay clocks? HA! I doubt you even know what your talking about. You don't know the age of something because of technology. We aren't that advanced yet. Secondly, the flesh wasn't turned to stone. It was hardened, yes. Bu, it was reanimated into actual flesh. It couldn't have been that old because flesh doesn't fossilize. It would disintegrate if given the time evolutionists say.

[Hobu123]

@Rocketdream7

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There have NEVER been any T-rex fossil that had "flesh" inside it. Just for once get your "info" from somewhere else than blogs of creationist liars.

In reality there was FEW MILLIMETRES LONG pieces of material that were EXTRACTED from the T-rex fossil after COMPLEX CHEMICAL TREATMENT of the fossil to remove the mineral material and to make those pieces soft as they were not soft in the beginning. That is the reality.

Your creationist source lied to you.

[Hobu123]

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Carbon dating is accurate enough but has NOTHING to do with dating dinosaurs. Carbon dating is only used to date things that are not older than about 50,000 years. The whole scale of carbon dating has been calibrated based on other, INDEPENDENT sources, so it is accurate enough for dating.

And don't even start with your "living snails" crap because we have heard that already 1000000 times. Google "reservoir effect".

[Hobu123]

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>>>>>The great flood in biblical terms wiped out

>>>>>all life besides 2 of each animal.

Absurd nonsense. There has been no such flood and such flood would leave behind completely different picture. Already CREATIONIST geologists from 18TH CENTURY abandoned the ridiculous idea that geological layers are formed in some kind of single flood. Already on 18TH CENTURY there was enough data so that even otherwise creationist geologists abandoned that silly "flood".

[Rocketdream7]

@Hobu123 1. Actually, there were. Do you think that I believe you in any way? lol I will admit, I saw it on the discovery channel and also they gave a baby chicken teeth & a longer tail. True story, it happened. But, thats not the point. You put facts before reality. Reality isnt the seeing and knowing. Its what you belive. Sure, there are laws that must be followed, but reality isnt how you put it. You believe fact, I believe faith. They are 2 seperate things. Thats all we need to know, right?

[Hobu123]

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And after you have checked it then come and tell me, do you accept that your religious fundamentalist mentors whom you trusted have LIED to you about T-rex "soft tissue"?

Creationist liars claim: scientists found soft (even bloody) flesh from T-rex fossil bone.

Reality: scientists found few millimetres long hard specks that after chemical treatment to dissolve the mineral and rehydrating them became pliable.

Therefore - creationists lied. As they always do.

[Hobu123]

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>>>>Reality isnt the seeing and knowing. Its what you belive.

Reality absolutely doesn't care about what someone believes.

Earth orbits Sun - that is a reality. Do you think that it somehow depends on what someone believes? That if you believe that Sun orbits Earth then it is that way?

[Rocketdream7]

@HODthunderwolf The great flood in biblical terms wiped out all life besides 2 of each animal. The flood didn't just go around one area, it engulfed the entire world. Sediments of rock came with it and buried the animals that it drown. when the oceans reseeded( think I spelt that wrong), the rocks hardened and formed around the bones. AKA, the fossils. Some people even ask why aren't dinosaurs mentioned in the bible? The name dinosaur was invented in the 1800's. And the Leviathan and Behemoth?

[HODthunderwolf]

@Rocketdream7

okay i've got to stop you right there. You are literally reciting creationism 101, crap i've heard a million times. What I suggest you do is read up the criticisms of these arguments, or search youtube for video rebuttles. I honestly can't be refuting the whole of creationism in posts 500 characters long.

[Rocketdream7]

@HODthunderwolf Then agree that you know that what I say is fact because it is. Not to mention, go to answers magazine or go to the article "What happened to the dinosaurs?" on Google. Read those, and then you might understand a little bit.

[HODthunderwolf]

@Rocketdream7

oh my god, seriously dude. I used to be a creationist. If you think I haven't heard this all before a million times then you are so horribly mistaken. And frankly I can't be bothered to talk to you about the faults with the whole of creationism in 500 character posts. Add me on skype if you'd like to talk properly, HODthunderwolf is the skype name. HODthunderwolf@msn.com is the email.

[Rocketdream7]

@HODthunderwolf dude, I dont have a camera and i'm not going to go to the store to buy one for a useless arguement that will get neither of us anywhere. I believe what I believe and you believe what you believe. Oh,and either you are or not a crationist or not. You can't HAVE been, you are or you aren't. And, there isn't a gray area. People who believe in evolution and in god are Biologos, not creationists. Just to clear that up. So, now to discontinue this conversation. Goodbye.

[HODthunderwolf]

@Rocketdream7

Just to clear this up. I am NOT a creationist. I used to believe in it. I no longer do. I'm not in this imagined gray area you spoke of.

And you do not need a camera for skype. You only need the internet and you can type chat.

[Rocketdream7]

@HODthunderwolf How would that be any better than this? And my friend got an app like that, but then got a virus that completely desroyed his computer. Will I take that chance with this $1000 computer? not in this lifetime. I never said you were in the gray area. And, I know you arent one. But, you said that you WERE one, but you can't HAVE been one, you are or were never one. If you changed your opinions on christianity, than that makes me wonder if you ever WERE a christian or a creationist.

[Rocketdream7]

@Gojiraking1 exactly.

[1215beastman]

idk understand your video man. imean planet dinosaur had NOTHING to do with the whole "creation vs. evolution,religion vs. reality" crap. imean this show just potrays how dinosaurs lived,its not trying to probe that god "doesnt exist" or annthing

[HODthunderwolf]

@1215beastman

I am very aware of that. And I am also not trying to disprove the existance of god.

I know exactly what this show did and I did not state that the show was attempting to answer creationism, merely that I was using the information in the show as it saves me time.

Honestly... The scientists involved in the show would not give creationism the time of day as it's a waste of time when they could be doing actual research.

But I do, and I used the information, that's all.

[RenegadeArms09]

I consider myself to be a christian, I believe in a higher power etc, but I simply cannot bring myself to believe the story of creation presented in the bible. I cant. When given the choice between believing we were made from mud n rib bones in some fairytale garden, or evolving over millions of years from huge amounts of amazing creatures...well I choose the latter. It makes the most sense to me.

[TheDeinonichos]

creationism is a science for dimb people

[ColdSideOfPillow136]

answer completely disproving creationism - all animals alive today would be inbred. I cannot understand how people are so STUPID

[Pawellius]

The question u ask is innacurate. Creationists never had, don't have and will never have an explanation to evolution cause what they did for like 2000 years was to shut the mouths of those who speak against the bible by accusing them of being possessed by the devil and burning them alive. Like they did with Gallileo when he spoke "earth goes around the sun and not vice versa". So your question should not be "how do u explain all this?" but "what u gonna do about it?".

[TrueYears]

@Pawellius Did you know a Catholic Priest came up with the Big Bang Theory? The one you and your reddit friend like to masturbate to. How do you feel about that

[Meerkatmatt2]

it's not just spinosaurus that his is a problem with, many deep sea creatures and many animals and plants that can only survive in extreme moist mountain rain forests as well as many other specialized animals could not have walked/swam/flown?climbed or burrowed all the way to their present environments. this is a valid point you,re making here. also the planet dinosaur spino is much more actuate than the monsters resurrected version by far.

[pilgrimpater]

Bit unfair to ask creationists to defend their world view when all they are used to doing is to try to attack evolution. Of course, it is blindingly obvious that the fossil sequence (same evidence available to all) completely wipes out creationistism.

[HODthunderwolf]

@pilgrimpater

The problem creationists have with this question is that they only ever try to explain why humans aren't found with dinosaurs, plesiosaurs, pterosaurs and other more ancient life. They never even try to explain why nothing is ever found where it shouldn't be, not just humans. VFX said that humans and chickens have never been found together but we know humans live with chickens, as if that is a valid reason why no animal has ever been found out of place.

[Answerquestions1]

because according to your standads nothing will ever contradict evolution. for example if we find a T-REX that is 50 million years older or younger than previosly thought you will find a way to fix it with evolution.

[HODthunderwolf]

@Answerquestions1

erm.... no, if we found a tyrannosaurus rex from 118 million years ago it would majorly contradict the tyrannosaurid lineage. It would be extremely peculiar. The thing is though that that has never happened, nor will it because evolution is a fact.

And here we go, I'm about to tell you what would contradict and possibly disprove evolution. Humans from the cretacious, dolphins from the cretacious, elephants, tools, huts, giraffes, wolves, bears, etc etc etc

[emmywemi]

@Answerquestions1 huh? that doesn't make any sense, dinosaur fossils ARE evidence for evolution... They aren't fixed to work alongside evolution... I'm really confused as to what you are trying to suggest, but the time line of the T-Rex isn't set in stone because we will never truely know the definite story of the age of the dinosaurs, we can only make educated guesses.

The more fossils found the better we understand what had happened during the age of the dinosaurs.

[HODthunderwolf]

now tell me, why is it we never find anything like that if creationism is true?

[Answerquestions1]

@HODthunderwolf

if creation where true, we would expect to find fully formed (complex) animals suddenly appearing in the fossil record. and that is what we find.

[HODthunderwolf]

@Answerquestions1

no.

In other words, you mean to say, I have no answer as to why there is no contradiction to evolution in the fossil record, but hey, look, all the animals aren't weird half formed mutants, so creation must be true.

Well evolution never says we should find any animal that's not fully formed, and as for them appearing suddenly, are you kidding? the animals apear gradually over time, they aren't all there from the start like you'd expect were creation true.

[natesdevices]

@Answerquestions1 thats because if we did find a rex that was 50 million years old it would mean that against all odds the rex adapted and EVOLVED to survive the mass wipe out. evolution is the study of change, so every time a new discovery like this is made it only proves it more. because its not a solid, unchanging story like christianity, there is plenty of wiggle room.

[achtungcircus]

You speech is a little too fast, some words slurred together.

Other than that, useful questions.  Anybody answered? giggle

[HODthunderwolf]

@achtungcircus

Yeah, my speech is always too fast, I actually tried to slow it down quite a lot in this video but it just doesn't feel or sound natural anymore.

And we have 1 attempt at answering so far, which actually totally avoids and ignores the actual questions raised. so yeah, 1 person answered and failed. :) but what else would anyone expect? :D

[emmywemi]

Amazing :) that series on BBC one really helped me to understand how paleontologists know all the thing they claim about dinosaurs - I never really understood it, or what you ramble on about 24/7!

:) also I thought creationists said dinosaurs didn't exist and their bones are all a publicity stunt or something; or is this just some creationists? I think you are fighting a lost battle by focusing this on creationists. But I think you should (maybe make a different channel) just make videos about

[HODthunderwolf]

@emmywemi

Most creationsists accept that dinosaurs existed, but there are some that do not.

and the series is truly amazing :) glad it helped you understand..... me better :D

I'll see the sort of reaction this gets, though it doesn't look like it will get any views, thanks to the copyright claim when I first uploaded it, so now I don't think it will show in many people's subscription boxes :/

[emmywemi]

@HODthunderwolf aww :( want me to show people ;) i know i know :) and i will never understand you at all. we will have to go to the natural history museum again :) or you'll keep moaning that Planet Dinosaur is over. :)

[emmywemi]

@emmywemi OMG I CAN THUMB UP MY OWN COMMENT!