I cannot say whether or not your nor this "Pastor" Ray Hagins is even remotely correct. It is kind of like Zeitgeist. Place in a 2/3 truth and 1/3 Lie. I have found plenty of evidence that proves the bible is correct, and was written LONG before the slavery period. So, before you bash Yahshua, claim him to be false. My question to you is where is your sources!? May I look at them myself and see where you came to this conclusion!?
Descendants of the Trans- Atlantic slave trade, do not be deceived by this Con Artist "pastor". The Almighty warned us from Ancient times about Egypt. ISAIAH 30:1-3 WOE to the rebellious children, saith the Most high,....That walk to go down into Egypt, and have not asked at my mouth; to strengthen themselves in the strength of Pharaoh, and to trust in the shadow of Egypt! Therefore shall the strength of Pharaoh be your shame, and the trust in the shadow (Magic) of Egypt your confusion....Shalum
@paulpaid You may find the publication 'The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors: Or Christianity Before Christ' by Kersey Graves and Paul Tice, ISBN: 1585090182 or ISBN: 978-1585090181, a very good read.
Read it and then try to disprove the evidence presented. You will fail, but the trying is fun nonetheless :)
You are indeed correct, Be not deceived, by questioning ALL things. Anything of truth will beacon, beg, you to test its validity.
the leading religions of our world are part of the deception or the illusion. we have been taught to segregate within our environment, race, culture, jobs etc. until we lead with love and light we will continue tofunction at low energy levels and will fail to evolve. although many would like totake or give credit to who or what is responsible for great and/or catastrophic events in our history that is also part of the plan to keep people oppressed spiritually, stop feeding the ego
Every prayer at church ends in AMEN which is Kemtetic...but at the same time there are things that are in the bible that are VERY important...It's about the meaning behind the verses not about the "people"..everything has a symbol even the meaning behind "ADM" and Eve(evoulution) of man and the metaphics of it all....search and look closer and you will find what I'm talking about...
I must admit that the Lord has used the O.T. and words of Christ to lead me. When I begin to ask the Lord why he never used the words of Paul. The answer was simple. Paul was a false apostle. In addition to that knowing that Christ isn't God, and wasn't a savior brings us to the point of understanding that Christianity is the largest deception in the history of religion. Christians have no idea of the depths of the one they call Satan and may have no real desire to know.
@Sight4DaBLIND the leading religions of our world are part of the deception or the illusion. we have been taught to segregate within our environment, race, culture, jobs etc. until we lead with love and light we will continue tofunction at low energy levels and will fail to evolve. although many would like totake or give credit to who or what is responsible for great and/or catastrophic events in our history that is also part of the plan to keep people oppressed spiritually, stop feeding the ego
If only people can open their heart. If our creator wanted us to be slaves as that is the cast on earth, he would not have give us a brain that works.
During slavery, slaves didn't even have the right to live.
I do not see any bad in questioning our Creator If it makes us wise because I know it is not the will of our creator to be slave, stupid or fearful.
Keep teaching Sir, knowledge about ourselves is wisdom.
@BedRoomGangster This is not wisdom. Question the creator?? Thats like your infant questioning your parenting skills. May I ask what creator are you speaking of???
@Morehnathanyael Well if u cant question the creator for feedback on your existence, then who do you question??? Do not ALL pastors , preachers, rabbis etc.. claim that they"took it to GOD and this is what he " says"?
@googlemaps2 one must question everything for themselves in order to understand and learn the truth within their personal journey, QUESTION EVERYTHING! the creator of all understands this process and wants us to as well, love and light
@Morehnathanyael one must question everything for themselves in order to understand and learn the truth within their personal journey, QUESTION EVERYTHING! the creator of all understands this process and wants us to as well, love and light
@HalcyonAugust2 all of your questions can be answered if you dilligently seek truth.. most of the hard wark has already been done.. check out GATHERING144
@phattracs "Has nothing to do with salvation and truth" it comes from the bible so therefore you are saying the bible has nothing to do with salvation and truth
...in The Revetation of Jesus Christ 1:3; vs. 22:18-19...is another PERFECT WARNING from The Lord Jesus to all that fear God, and to all that do not fear before Him ( Jer. 5:22-31 vs. Malachi 3:16-18 ) ...FOR I TESTIFY to EVERY MAN that hears The words of The prophecy of THIS BOOK, if ANY MAN shall add unto THESE THINGS, GOD SHALL add unto him THE PLAGUES that ARE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK...
And why would he ( Ray Hagins ) read from II Peter 1:19-21... KNOWING THIS FIRST, that NO PROPHECY OF THE SCRIPTURE is of ANY PRIVATE INTERPRETATION ( Now, verse 21 ) For the prophecy CAME NOT in old time BY THE WILL OF MAN: but holy men OF GOD SPAKE MOVED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT...and 2:1-22 "obviously pertains to Pastor Ray Hagins and the like!
Ths is soso true. Egypt is one of the number one most mentioned words in the bible, but rarely do you find people of other religions or Christians trying to find out the true history about khemit/Egypt, not his- story either. But the true one, If they did, then they could easily see how the true knowledge of khem has been taken and distorted to fool & mislead the minds of people around the world.
Dr. Hagins mistakenly believes that Egyptian polytheism (religion of many gods), and Western and Eastern religions of monotheism (G-d, God, Allah) are equivalent religious systems. Dr. Hagins was a Protestant (literal interpretation of scripture). Most Christians are not of the Protestant faith. They practice West or East Catholicism in the world. (200 million Black African Catholics). Catholicism does not teach the literal interpretaion of the Bible. Dr. Hagins is ignorant of Catholicism.
Dr. Hagins mistakenly believes that Egyptian polytheism (religion of many gods), and Western and Eastern religions of monotheism (G-d, God, Allah) are equivalent religious systems. Dr,. Hagins was a Protestant (literal interpretation of scripture) Most Christians are not of the Protestant faith. They practice West or East Catholicism in the world. (200 million Black African Catholics). Catholicism does not teach the literal interpretaion of the Bible. Dr. Hagins is ignorant of Catholicism.
Dr,. Hagins was a Protestant (literal interpretation of scripture) Most Christians are not of the Protestant faith. They practice Western or Eastern Catholicism in the world. (200 million Black African Catholics). Catholicism does not teach the literal interpretaion of the Bible. The Magesterium of the Vatican interprets scripture taking into account language translationand other factors. Dr Hagins could not take this lecture to Africa.
Now there are some elements Bilble that leaves me wondering and perplexed and so forth. But if God is giving me a gift that is gonna blot out my sins. Sure there are some things I got to do to keep that gift and make it more valuable in my life....that is a good deal....Thank Ya Sir Jesus (he's gonna be blotting out a lot in my life and I will graciously thank and praise him for it. So while we continue to scratch around Egypt to marvel at the earthly things God as done through man...
I can appreciate what pastor Hagin is doing. Its important to have all of humanity standup within there cultures and be proud. African is the root, yet the fruit wants to destroy the root....certainly the the tree of life...right? Well I can't know the mind of God, however, in all its written errors and undiscovered and incredibile lapses etc...the real messagein the Bible of love has transformed lives for the better. Can I get a witness.
Until your spirit realizes that there is a love from God that is beyond physical evidence. Faith in Jesus or whatever name you choice to call his concept and his truth is sufficient. Man through all his digging and physical evidence will never agree on the concept of truth. I have faith in what produces love for one another as brothers in this world...I have faith in Jesus and through Him I have witnessed love.
some of what this guy says is true, but alot of it is false. he takes facts and uses them to come to the wrong conclusions and the unsuspecting people in the audience eats it all up. for instance, he says that the two geneologies of jesus in matthew and luke are different and contradictory. true, they are different; they were intended to be different. one charts jesus' biological lineage and the other charts his royal lineage. in one, nathan is listed as david's son, and in the other solomon....
2....is listed as david's son. he erroneously calls this a contradiction, but it's not. both are david's sons. in the biological geneology nathan is listed. in the royal geneology solomon is listed because solomon is the son that followed david as the king. the two different geneologies are intended to prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that jesus was authentic. haggins drops the ball on this one. there are many other errors and misconceptions he makes as well. HE'S IN-CREDIBLE!
@revlooshin no hes the truth the bibel is a fake no ones cares about it anymore not even white people i know read it stop being a hater ur the devil fuck off
@jon76398 where did you learn about the character called 'the devil"? it was in the bible. yet, you speak of him as he's a real being. so the character is real, but the literature he is found in is fake. wow!! i'll gladly fuck off before i attempt to have an intelligent conversation with someone like you.
@revlooshin wtf are u talkin about who mentiond the devil in that way none of it is real u fuckin goofy devil is just a word to describe a stupid bad person like ur dumb ass
@jon76398 how do you KNOW with 100% certainty that the bible is not real? where is your concrete proof? or are you going by what someone else told you? btw, your language, coupled with your terrible spelling, makes you come off as one truly ignorant individual. this is the legacy you are leaving for yourself for as long as these comments remain on this video. people will read these comments in the future and say,"wow, jon76398 seems like ONE TRULY IGNORANT INDIVIDUAL."
i used facts to prove that pastor hagins made errors in his presentation. i didn't visciously attack him. he called the two different geneologies of jesus a contradiction when they were intended to be different. this is a documented fact. look it up. he also said that the virgin birth prophecy in isaiah didn't refer to jesus, but to ahaz. WRONG! there is an established hermeneutical law called THE LAW OF DOUBLE REFERENCE. it's used several times throughout scripture. it means just what it says..
2..It's when a passage of scripture is used in reference to two different individuals because it contains many parallels. it's also called a 'type'. Ahaz is a type of jesus. there are many types of jesus in the old testament. someone who has studied in a seminary should know these things because there are classes that pertain to them. so don't get upset with me and hurl insults because i point these errors out. research it and let's discuss it rationally.
@revlooshin it was my understanding that the prophecy of the virgin birth was in reference to immanuel not ahaz. isaiah 7 begins with "ahaz was the king of judah". he already existed according to the scripture. the prophecy concerning the virgin birth occurs near the end of chapter 7. the child is born in isaiah 8. i never heard hagins say it was a prophecy of ahaz's birth. also where in the bible is this hermeneutical law called THE LAW OF DOUBLE REFERENCE? or that ahaz was a type of jesus. ty
@kingdrapes you're right. i flubbed that one. ahaz isn't the subject of the prophecy, the child, immanuel, born of a virgin is. my bad. hagins' argument was that the prophecy had nothing to do with jesus at all. that's what i was refuting. the law of double reference is an established principle of hermeneutics. the phrase doesn't appear in the bible, but the principle does. just like you never see the words simile, metaphor, hendiadys, or metonomy in the bible either. the concepts are there.
@revlooshin first of all i would like to thank you for your response. whenever i ask these type ?'s most ppl tend to shy away, and i asked you because you seem to be reasonable and to also demonstrate some knowledge of scripture, but i still don't understand how the prophecy relates to jesus when it appears to be a sign to ahaz that he would triumph in battle. am i mistaken in thinking the child was born in isaiah 8? if so who is the child in isaiah 8? thnx again
@kingdrapes no sense in lying. i made a mistake. it happens. as i was saying, the passage doesn't JUST refer to jesus. it has an immediate reference, and a historical reference. hence, double reference. the name IMMANUEL in hebrew means 'GOD WITH US'. he was born of a virgin, or young maden. the same concept is used of satan/the king of tyrus in ezekiel 28 and isaiah 14.
@revlooshin i understand how it refers to immanuel i just dont understand how it foretells of jesus. i am aware of the reference in matthew, but lets say that i didn't and i read isaiah from the begining, when i got to the prophecy what tells me this is about the messiah? in other words did isaiah say it, or does matthew claim that he did?
@kingdrapes that's the nature of systematic theology (approaching the bible as an entire system of divine revelation, instead of 66 separate and distinct writings). granted, isaiah doesn't specifically say that it's solely a reference to the messiah. but he assuredly knew the messiah was prophesied. that comes with understanding how the bible was originally written. many old testament prophecies have both an immediate-historical fulfillment, and a future-eschatalogical fulfillment.
@revlooshin myabe i'm not being clear. you say that it's not SOLEY a reference of jesus. i'm asking where is ANY reference to jesus or a messiah in isaiah. and if isaiah doesn't say it then how can we jump to the conclusion that he must know simply because matthew later claims he did. i'm not trying prove hagins right or wrong this is strictly for my own understanding. u made a valid point about the allegory angle so i figured that u could help me understand the prophecy in question. thnx
@kingdrapes you should google 'the law of double reference'. the passage in question has two references: 1 immediate-historical, and 1 future. the immediate -historical reference is to maher-shalal-hash-baz (isaiah 8:1-4). the future reference is to jesus (IMMANUEL-God with us). Then the prophecy is mentioned again in matthew. you know a messianic prophecy doesn't have to specifically mention the name of jesus, don't you?
2@kingdrapes, btw, we don't jump to any conclusion that isaiah knew because matthew later claims he did. it was the prophet's sole duty to relay the message. there are times in scripture in which the prophet received words and visions from God that he didn't quite understand, but he recorded and relayed it as it was given and the meaning was revealed later. read daniel, zechariah, joel and revelation.
@revlooshin i thank you for your time in responding though i must say citing the so called law of double reference only strengthens hagins' position on this issue, which is you have to make it say something that it doesn't in order to make it fit. immanuel does mean god with us,but is this a reference to a future messiah, or simply a way of saying God is on our side? btw you yourself said isaiah " assuredly knew the messiah was prophesied" but now you say "he didn't quite understand" pls xplain
@kingdrapes hagins is wrong because he says that that prophecy had nothing at all to do with jesus. the fact that jesus WAS born of a virgin, was God in the flesh, and did dwell among His people (IMMANUEL) shows that the prophecy DID have a reference to Him. hagins is the one who'd have to prove that matthew fabricated the whole thing. and i didn't say "he [isaiah] didn't quite understand." i clearly wrote,"THERE ARE TIMES IN SCRIPTURE WHEN...." you have to read carefully, bro.
@revlooshin where in that prophecy do you read that the child was to be god in the flesh or he will dwell among his ppl? i ask you to show how the prophecy relates to jesus and all you continue to say immanuel which mean god with us when the phrase is clearly meant to illustrate that god was on the side of ahaz in this conflict. you admitted this yourself.
@revlooshin the prophecy is mentioned in matthew as i stated in my earlier comment i already knew this, but ONLY in matthew is any link to a messiah made. isaiah says to look for immanuel, maher-shalal-hash-baz is born isaiah 8:3 in isaiah 8:8. immanuel is used. isaiah 8:10 says "Devise your strategy, but it will be thwarted; propose your plan, but it will not stand, for God is with us", showing the true reason for calling the child immanuel
@kingdrapes you are right. but what you're having difficulty understanding is the nature and fashion in which prophecies are sometimes given in scripture. i'm trying to explain to you that there are times when prophecies have double references. i even gave you an example with satan/the king of tyrus in ezekiel 28. you keep saying that you're not trying to prove hagins wrong or right, but you're ignoring my clear explanation, which leads me to believe you ARE trying to prove he's right. if ...
2...that's what you believe then believe it. i'm not hating. the bible claims to be a revelation from God. it doesn't say that some of it's books are inspired by God and some aren't. so why would anyone try and separate isaiah and matthew if BOTH were inspired by God? read daniel 3. the king had a statue of himself erected. and it was decreed that whoever didn't worship it would be killed. the beast (antichrist) does the same thing in revelation 13. it's a 'type' because of it's dual reference.
@revlooshin i didn't seperate any books whoever named them did that. and anything i said that you said was copied and pasted directly from your comments. as 4 me trying prove hagins right, no such thing, i only seek the truth.
@kingdrapes show me exactly where i said," he [isaiah] didn't quite understand." do you believe the entire bible was inspired by God? how long have you been studying it? i don't have a problem answering your questions. in fact, i like it. it keeps me sharp. but what you need to understand about the bible is that there are certain nuances and principles you have to learn. you have to know alot of background information, etc., etc.. it's not a book you just understand by casually reading it. did..
2...you read ezekiel 28 and the prophecy concerning the king of tyrus, and how it parallels with satan? did you read daniel 3, how nebuchadnezzar had the statue erected of himself and it was decreed that whoever didn't worship it was to be put to death? and how it parallels with what the beast (antichrist) does in revelation 13? these are just two of the exact same kinds of passages as in isaiah, which mention one specific name but have double references. THE LAW OF DOUBLE REFERENCE.
@revlooshin matthew 1:22 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 23"The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel"[d]—which means, "God with us." 24When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife. 25But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus
is there an example in the bible where jesus is called immanuel?
@revlooshin The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel. 15 He will eat curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right. 16 But before the boy knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, the land of the two kings you dread will be laid waste. 17 The LORD will bring on you and on your people and on the house of your father a time unlike any since Ephraim broke away from Judah—he will bring the king of Assyria."
@kingdrapes i understand your point, and to a degree you're right. but you're not quite understanding my point, despite my many examples. here's another. in matthew 24, mark 13, and luke 21 jesus gives what is known as THE OLIVET PROPHECY, where he fortells the destruction of jerusalem. this prophecy was fulfilled in 70 ad, but it also has a future fulfillment at the end of the age. there's that double reference again. all i can say to you is to keep studying and you'll be able to pick up on....
2....those little nuances of interpreting scripture. it comes with an understanding of hermeneutics. the bible is what is called 'a progressive revelation'. this means that the revelation unfolds more as time evolves. this, consequently, also happens to be a hermeneutical principle, called 'the progressive mention principle'. if you don't understand these principles and nuances, as is apparent of hagins in his teachings, then proper interpretation will be lost.
@revlooshin your comment...2@kingdrapes, btw, we don't jump to any conclusion that isaiah knew because matthew later claims he did. it was the prophet's sole duty to relay the message. there are times in scripture in which the prophet received words and visions from God that he didn't quite understand, but he recorded and relayed it as it was given and the meaning was revealed later. read daniel, zechariah, joel and revelation
@revlooshin you continue to rely on a man made THEORY of hermeneutics to twist the writings of isaiah. isaiah is the book we are dealing with right? when reading a book, any book , does it make sense to read a paragraph on page 22 then jump to another on page 102 then back to one on pge 12. if 7: 14 is what you say it is, why is it revealed only AFTER jesus was born? please answer this and the other ?'s that i have asked, such as is there an example in the bible where jesus is called immanuel?
@kingdrapes the fact that you call 'hermeneutics' a 'THEORY' clearly demonstrates that you are not at all familiar with how to properly interpret the bible. HERMENEUTICS- THE ART OR SCIENCE OF INTERPRETATION. just because something is man-made doesn't mean it's bad or ineffective. if that was the case God would have written the bible Himself, so THAT argument of yours is lacking in logic. your problem is that you're looking for the words,"THIS PROPHECY IS TALKING ABOUT JESUS." there's NO old....
2...testament prophecy that mentions "JESUS" by name. NOT A ONE! i keep telling you that the bible is a progressive revelation, but you seem to have difficulty comprehending that. do you even know what progressive revelation means? why won't you look it up? i'm not making this stuff up. you can't divorce the need for hermeneutics from the bible. what do you think paul meant when he told timothy in 2 timothy 2:15 that it was important to "RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH"? in genesis 3:15, where
3...it says that the seed of the woman will bruise the head of the serpent, and the seed of the serpent would bruise the seed of the woman's heel, who is that talking about? who are these seeds? in psalm 22:1 it says,"My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" who is that talking? is there anyone else who says those exact same words in the bible? isaiah 53:5 says,"He was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities..." who is that referring to? in neither of these....
4....prophecies does it say "THIS IS TALKING ABOUT JESUS." i've tried to slowly and carefully explain to you that the bible doesn't work this way, but you just can't grasp it. it's not because what i'm saying is complicated. it's not. first, you don't know how to properly interpret (rightly divide) the bible. secondly, you want to defend hagins' false teachings. you should have been honest and said that up front instead of pretending that you just wanted clarification.
5....you keep asking me,"where in that prophecy does it mention jesus as immanuel". i've answered that question at least twice. AND i've given you about 5 examples, now. you just don't like the answer. and that's fine by me. you still haven't answered my questions: do you believe that the entire bible is the inspired word of God? how long have you been studying it? if you can't be decent enough to answer my questions, then by no means should you ask me another one.
@revlooshin i see i have touched a nerve it would seem that the so called law of double reference applies to your comments as well example " i've answered that question at least twice. AND i've given you about 5 examples" is it twice or five examples the only answer yoiu gave is to say god with us it is clear i asked the wrong person to explain because you seem to lack understanding of a simple ? which is how do you get jesus or a messiah coming from the phrase god with us?
2 @revlooshin as your ? do i believe the bible is the word of god? that remains to be seen which is the very reason i study it. to believe without investigation is to be sucker for anything told to you. which seems to be y you have no problem swallowing this double reference nonsense. if jesus is not called immanuel or eat butter and honey how does this match isaiah's prophecy. simple it doesn't.
@kingdrapes you didn't touch a nerve with your questions. i answered them adequately. you touched a nerve with your persisting to ask the same question over and over again AFTER i answered it. i answered your question concerning jesus being IMMANUEL at least twice. then i gave 5 different examples of how the law of double reference is used elsewhere in the bible besides isaiah 7. you didn't like the answer. cool. but it is the correct answer. you still didn't say how long you've been studying...
2...but you don't have to, your words have shown me all i need to know. you actually downplayed the crucial role that sound hermeneutics play in properly interpreting the bible. you ERRONEOUSLY and LAUGHABLY referred to the science of hermeneutics as A THEORY. you haven't been studying long at all. but stay positive and keep at it. one day you'll see that what i'm telling you is right. you just need a little more experience and knowledge under your belt. you have to ask yourself, does the bible
3...ever call Jesus "God"? the answer is, YES! then ask yourself, does the bible ever teach that Jesus DWELLED WITH US? that answer is also, YES! there you have Jesus fulfilling the meaning of the name IMMANUEL. it's so simple. you don't see it because you don't want to see it. i already told you that hebrew names often describe an event or a characteristic of a person's life. you didn't pay attention. btw, the law of double reference is not a 'so-called' law, it's an established law.
@revlooshin established by whom? i did not ask if the bible says jesus dwelled with his people I ASKED WHERE IN ISAIAH'S PROPHECY DOES IT SAY THAT? PAY ATTENTION instead of being so self rightous. furthermore "god with us" and god do not have the same meaning. how does it sound 2 say in the beginning god with us created the heavens and the earth. the child was called immanuel not god
@kingdrapes ah! it appears that I have touched a nerve. but you were so docile at first. what does IMMANUEL mean in hebrew? where does it say in ANY old testament prophecy that,"THIS PROPHECY REFERS TO JESUS?" you've got the 'asking questions' part down, you just need work with the 'answering questions' part. do you not feel comfortable answering questions?
2...since you don't like the answers i keep giving you why don't you do your own research and google the phrase "law of double reference"? you're already at the computer. google the word 'hermeneutics' while you're at it. you're never going to learn the word of God by relying upon another person's understanding. as it says in proverbs 4:7,"...with all thy getting get understanding." it doesn't say,"with all of someone else's getting wait for someone else to GIVE YOU understanding."
@kingdrapes no. hermeneutics is the art and science of interpretation. it's like physics. to understand physics you have to first understand the laws of physics. you can't divorce the two. the laws of hermeneutics have been discovered, demonstrated and tested over and over again. no one person has established them. it's just like any other science. why don't you do a little research?
3...why would God tell isaiah to tell ahaz the boy's name would be IMMANUEL, then in the next chapter say to call him 'maher-shalal-hash-baz"? IMMANUEL literally means GOD WITH US. doesn't it? the prophecy in isaiah doesn't have to say,"THIS IS TALKING ABOUT JESUS' for you to know by applying the progressive mention principle of hermeneutics that Jesus (who is God, and did dwell with us), fulfilled the literal meaning of the name IMMANUEL in a way that no one else did. it's not difficult, man.
3 @revlooshin and will say that it is you who seem to be hung up on whether hagins right or wrong, as it is you who keeps mentioning his name. and you have the arrogance to tell me that i'm defending him, as if you know my thoughts. i won't be judged on hagins beliefs so him being right or wrong is the least of my concerns. i am more concerned with the truthfullness of matthews claim about isaiah's prophecy. i thought you could help but it seems i was very wrong. good day sir
@kingdrapes what you have to learn is that when you don't know something and you ask someone for help you have to humble yourself and at least take the time to research and see if the explanation that person gave you checks out. did you ever take the time to google the law of double reference? NO! did you ever define the term 'type' and how it's used in scripture? NO! So you admittedly know jack squat about the bible and hermeneutics, and you want to debate? you'll get nowhere without humility.
@revlooshin now you are making a fool of yourself. how can you tell me what i did,(arrogance) r u here with me NO! the problem is now clear as you think this is a debate. as for defining type i asked you how ahaz was a type of jesus as you claimed., how its my responsibility to substantiate YOUR claim. you have trouble answering a simple ? and it comes to this? what a fine representation of christ you turned out to be. please do not respond as i asked for help not a debate
@kingdrapes you need to stop fronting like you needed help, because a person who needs help doesn't question the person who is trying to help him. i helped you by teaching you about the law of double reference and you didn't even look it up. you DISPUTED it! i taught you about types. you didn't look it up, you DISPUTED it. i told you about the importance of hermeneutics and you DISPUTED it. you're darned right i was a good representative of Christ!. you were dishonest and unknowledgeable.
2...instead of taking a little time to look those things up to see if they were true, you tried to dispute them. but how can you dispute something when you admittedly know little to nothing about it? that's why you're getting upset now. i saw right through your little facade of "not trying to defend hagins, but wanting clarification." you are so transparent. this last comment is what the real you is all about, and until you humble yourself you'll always know as little as you know now.
@revlooshin again you claim to know what is in my mind, your explanations were stupid, circular, and full of holes. example 2, YOUR words.."why would God tell isaiah to tell ahaz the boy's name would be IMMANUEL, then in the next chapter say to call him 'maher-shalal-hash-baz"? IMMANUEL literally means GOD WITH US" he didnt say god is coming, god with us, once again is another way of saying god is on your side. 8:8 says o immanuel 8:10 says god is with us plain to see yet...
@kingdrapes 3..scheme to prove hagins right. did i not say u had a point about him calling a story allegory when it wasn't? i knew it wasn't because i considered the CONTEXT in which it was called allegory. so simply because i am not satisfied with your explanation doesn't mean i didn't look into it, i'd just prefer to trust what i see instead what someone tells me i should see. men LIE so forgive me 4 wanting proof. ...
@kingdrapes i told you that i don't care whether or not you accepted my answer, didn't i? i meant that. everybody isn't going to agree 100%. i accept that. and i have no qualm with you calling my answer stupid and circular, either. after all, you're the guy who never heard of hermeneutics and called it A THEORY. you're the one who downplays it's importance. so i'd expect nothing less than you calling my answer 'stupid and circular'. it would indeed seem just like that to someone like you.
@revlooshin (cont) you suggest i ignore what is clearly written, and the context in which it is written. you suggest i shouldn't question your answer? how does that sound? r u the supreme authority on such matters? should i swallow everything i'm told? you also suggest that i shouldn't rely on man's interpretation so how is hermeneutics not man's interpretation? you say isaiah assuredly knew then you he wasn't quite sure & it took matt. to clarify. u dodge every ? and accuse me some ...
@kingdrapes first you praised me for NOT shying away from your questions, now you accuse me of dodging them. you get kind of erratic when you're upset. i told you that i didn't mind the questions, in fact, i liked them because they keep me sharp, didn't i? you have a problem remembering stuff. i just get tired of answering the same questions over and over again. i said that before, too, didn't i? i'm no authority at all, but it's clear that i know far more than you. that shouldn't bother you....
2...seeing that i've been studying much longer than you have. i never suggested that you ignore what is written, that's a figment of your inability to interpret what i clearly wrote. in fact, what i DID say is that your interpretation was partially right. remember that? i told you several times that your problem is that you expect the text to say 'THIS PROPHECY REFERS TO JESUS'. remember that? NO O.T. prophecy concerning Jesus says that. remember i told you that? i also told you the bible is....
3...not a book you can understand by casually reading, remember that? i gave you about 5 additional examples of how types and double references are used elsewhere in scripture in order to establish a biblical pattern of the law in use. remember that? i never said "isaiah wasn't quite sure." i clarified that, yet you insist that i wrote that. so the problem is not that i think that i am some kind of authority beyond questioning. the problem is that YOU DON'T LISTEN! YOUR MEMORY IS TERRIBLE! ....
4....AND YOU'RE NOT HUMBLE!!! and you keep FOOLISHLY saying that the science of hermeneutics is 'man-made'. what science isn't 'man-made'? that's REALLY a FOOLISH thing to keep saying just because you don't understand it, and how crucial it is to interpreting the Bible (or any other piece of literature). science is a systematic method of acquiring knowledge which involves observation, testing, and repeat testing. HERMENEUTICS IS THE ESTABLISHED SCIENCE OF INTERPRETING LITERATURE!!! ......
5....THERE ARE LAWS AND PRINCIPLES WHICH APPLY TO INTERPRETING THE BIBLE (AND ANY OTHER PIECE OF LITERATURE), WHETHER YOU KNOW IT OR NOT, AND WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT! you never heard of anyone rejecting archaeology, geology and mathematics because they were 'man-made', have you? THAT'S SO LAME OF YOU!!! and i never once applied the word "allegory" to isaiah. where'd you get that from? i see you like to make up stuff, too.
6...now this is the most important lesson i will have ever taught you.......how to REALLY end a conversation. you don't seem quite too good at that either, because on two occasions you tried to end it, only to reply again. you HAVE to have the last word. that's a trait that denotes arrogance. i have no hard feelings against you. it's too bad this conversation devolved to this, so it's best that i end it here than to continue to trade insults with you. peace out, my brother!!!
@revlooshin no im going by what makes sense i cant see him and the storys in the bibel have no explanations most people belive its just scientific u ignorant because u all in my fuckin business the bibel isnt real none of it makes real logical sense why the fuck do u care about what i said dont judge me judge yourself bye and who cares about spelling im typing not talking its a fuckin difference if u cant understand dont fuckn read it bitch
@jon76398 1. so you DON'T have proof to validate your claim that the bible is fake. 2) you ARE going by what OTHER PEOPLE have told you (mainly white people). 3. i can't make out the rest of what you wrote because not only is the spelling so atrocious, but you don't appear to be able to form coherent sentences. your sentence structure is horrible! you're border-line illiterate and you curse like a viscious animal, yet you have the nerve to tell me what is and what isn't logical? you're pathetic.
2 @jon76398...look, i'm going to end this because the longer i talk with you the more people are going to link me with you, and i don't need your ignorance and your illiteracy to infect me. some people you just can't have an intelligent conversation with, so it's best to just move on. i'm done with you. don't bother to respond because i'll just delete it. peace, 'brother;.
@revlooshin Why do black people find a need to find themselves in the bible? Black people don't need a false religion that copied from others and put its on European/Capitalistic spin on it to further perpetuate white supremacy. The point is that African people, including the ones who are still there but lost mentally, need to repatriate to Africa, whether it is mentally or physically. Pan-Africanism is the only way. At least this brother has begun to try to break the chains of mental slavery!!
@majesty82 majesty. regardless of beliefs, persuasion, or ideology, facts are facts. when george bush sr. is on your tv talking about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq you don't accept or reject his claims based on his beliefs, persuasion or ideology, you judge his integrity by the facts! did they actually ever find wmd's? NO? then he's a liar! at least on this topic. get my point? hagins isn't wrong because he's pro-african and I am a disciple of jesus. he's wrong because he misrepresented..
2 @ majesty82......and misinterpreted some elementary biblical truths. things a professed theologian and seminary student should have learned in his first year of his biblical studies. so should I just ignore his blatant errors and continue to follow him because i'm black like he is, or should I continue to seek a higher level of truth by someone who is more accurate with the facts? this is a large part of our problem as people, we are so eager to follow a man that we don't take the time to....
3@majesty82....thoroughly examine the things they are saying. we place so much of an emphasis on appearance, style, eloquence, emotions and other outward qualities like this, moreso than we do on substance and facts. that's why we are often misled and divided. the man made some errors in his presentation, it's just that simple. do some research and you'll see what i'm talking about.
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If this is going where I think this is going, this man has absolutely no business being a pastor. He's a traitor and should be dealt with accordingly.
You have every right to feel the way you do but I think you should listen to the whole lecture,research what he's sayin,then challenge him. He's just presenting facts,remember the bible was written with human hands & human's aren't perfect.
@Orenotter what is that supposed to mean dealt with accordingly? traitor to who? to what? if you want to play the blind man go ahead but this man has discovered the truth through reading and research. if you are so bold read the same material and see if your "faith" is not challenged if not broken. I am a white man and i grew up in an all Christian mostly southern baptist white town.
I am Christian, my first lenguage is spanish, i did not finished high school, BUT, I can have debate with this man haggins and make sense of all that he calls lies, this IGNORANCE that he shows is INCREDIBLE, but of course a work os satan, no doudt, any questions? did you think that rc spraul, steve gregg, adrian rogers, david jeremiah, or any of those theologians are the only ones? I am here, and the annointing has come upon me
hehehe, are you doing something different? are you not following this crazy guy, BELIEVING what he says? wow, really, you are nuts. see ya. ooh anndddd, you must be black, ha? You should know better, your ancestry was discriminated, now YOU are discriminating whites? FOOL. Whites are evil for you ha? you wish you could round them up and ship them somewhere else, ha? history repeats it self, hahaha.
Completion of comment: Youshua/Messiah sent his Apostles to teach and preach his doctrine and to teach all nations of his Salvation as it is written: as Yoshua/Christ spoke it: Ye worship ye know not what we know what we worship for salvation is of the Jews. And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumbling block, and a recompence unto them:
4And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the LORD.
3And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase.
2Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will
"22": But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings.
Jeremiah 23 1Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD. visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.
continuation part 1 "20": The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly.
"21": I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.
This guy is obviously rebelling against being forced into religion as a child. Why else would he believe Acharya S's Jesus Conspiracy story! Its so stuiped! These people are so quick to believe the first thing that allows them to abandone their beliefs seemingly legitamately. It ridiculous. There are websites that say Napoleon didn't exist, I guess there really is a sucker born every minute he happens to be one of them....
i had no choice but to help you to open your eyes .if you look clearly into those new testament epistles of paul you will discover that the writer and person being addressed are very clear.
paul is the writer and any of the churches in e.g thessalonia or ephesus were the ones being addressed .this tells us that whatever was written in those pauline epistles were not written to me or you rather it applied to those whom it was addressed to
when it is all said and done guess what read malachi and see what he said the pastors/ priests are supose to teach the people hummm while ray is talking he is doing the same as them priests are doing leading people astray
have you ever wondered why lots of so called pastors will not preach anything from the old testament ?for exaple they tell you that we are dealing with the new convenant hence the need to focus on the new testament
can you go into Leviticus and Deuteronomy and do your research about tithes and offering and see that these pastors are thieves ,they are not levities so why are they collecting tithes and if tithing is in the old covenant why are we still paying tithes today
have you ever wonder why you get tongue tied whenever you are asked a question like -why has jesus not returned for the past 2000 years?!!!!!
how can jesus be the saviour when isaiah 43:11 God says "I ,even I am the lord and besides me there is no saviour"
with that said we know that whoever the saviour will be ,it must be God himself ,so christians are led to think that jesus is God which infact is wrong
acts 7:55-stephen 'full of the holy ghost' sees jesus sitting on the side of God
show me a place in the old testament where hell is mentioned ,you have made a decision to blindly deny facts ,i have shown you scriptures that clearly refutes christianity
how can you say God's mercy endures forever yet he has prepared a special place to torture people for eternity ,is that not contradictory
Rome gave you Christianity yet they have the most misbehaved priests in Christianity yet you never wonder if there is something they know that you do not know .
someone gives you a book,you accept it with no iota of skepticism or the gut to even ask questions ,you simply beleive it ,that is very bad
"Tell a man there are 100 billion stars in space and he will beleive it ,but tell him a bench has wet paint on it and he will have to touch it to beleive" .
this clearly tells us that there is a difference between God and jesus so this violates isaiah 43 :11 where God himself should be the saviour.this is another blow to the book called the bible which is simply a well crafted deception
Thanks for your bravery and insight! Ive listened to many pastors teach on the Bible and most don"t or will not touch the actual history of its development. So we are suppose to believe and not question. But that means that we aren"t thinking critically. Serapis, the Nicea council of 325, ancient Egyptian text, are very important to this Bible and only You Dr Hagin go where no other pastor Dare go! Thanks for the history -the real history of this book of books. Imhotep!
If there is no absolute truth, then, who is to say what is truth? This false teacher doesn't agree with certain parts of Scripture, and therefore claims that Scripture is not inerrant. Simple.
Free Masons( the founding fathers of the U.S)are the people who corrupted ancient and sacred texted of Kemet (Egypt) (fyi egypt is a greek term, part of the bible is written in greek I wonder why-rhetorical question). Every thing from the colors red white&blue,the eagle symbol,the layout of D.C&biblical theology was taken (PLAGIARIZED) from the temples in Kemet. The Immaculate conception was 1st described in those temples. So was the concept of a resurrection. All knowledge comes from Afrika
Chirstians r nothing but mithra worshipers. If you are black and a christians then u know nothing about ur cultural. Because once u reasearch who and where u come from christianty can no longer exist.
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What a charlatan! I cant BELIEVE how easily u guys is fooled! I aint never seen a FAITHLESS Pastor before!! ALL things are possible with GOD!!! Who wanna serve a God with no power? This man aint no Pastor! There is no truth in this man! Wakeup and come to JESUS therin is SALVATION!!!
The same Jesus with a church in La Maison des Esclaves on Goree Island in Senegal? That the KKK burns crosses for? The same Jesus that didn't exist when WE were NEGUS & not the "N-word"?
You can remain on "The Good Ship Jesus" eating pork, enrichening corps owned by ppl that hate you, believing what THEY TAUGHT YOU while THEY LEARN WHAT YOUR ANCESTORS KNEW (i.e. languages...research it). Meanwhile the rest of US elevate ourselves.
It was once quoted that "Ignorance is the mother of devotion", LadyLibraNMore, don't waste your time trying 2 explain to dumbasses the true historicity of this fabricated jesus figure that never historically existed, but was done by the works of the roman empire , and was/ still is a tool used to control us if we allow it to. Unbelievable, our own story from thousands of yrs ago in ancient kemet presented back to us under their ethnicity and fabrication...AIN'T DAT A BITCH!?
Your lost. Yshua ben Yusuf who you call Jesus was a spiritual man who's believes were tarnished by Paul to marginalize what was a budding movement in 1st cent palestine. As Paul said "I have become all things to all people so that some might be saved" which is to say...I lie to get by!
Find your spirituality and true humanity within and by considering your ancestors. Our wisdom transcends the gospels and we ought not to be ashamed of it any longer.
My people will stand through learning and understanding. Hotep to all my brothers and sisters!
Chillyman010 1 week ago
this man is a joke
tjblyden 1 week ago
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I cannot say whether or not your nor this "Pastor" Ray Hagins is even remotely correct. It is kind of like Zeitgeist. Place in a 2/3 truth and 1/3 Lie. I have found plenty of evidence that proves the bible is correct, and was written LONG before the slavery period. So, before you bash Yahshua, claim him to be false. My question to you is where is your sources!? May I look at them myself and see where you came to this conclusion!?
Darkdragynxi 1 month ago
Descendants of the Trans- Atlantic slave trade, do not be deceived by this Con Artist "pastor". The Almighty warned us from Ancient times about Egypt. ISAIAH 30:1-3 WOE to the rebellious children, saith the Most high,....That walk to go down into Egypt, and have not asked at my mouth; to strengthen themselves in the strength of Pharaoh, and to trust in the shadow of Egypt! Therefore shall the strength of Pharaoh be your shame, and the trust in the shadow (Magic) of Egypt your confusion....Shalum
paulpaid 1 month ago 3
@paulpaid You may find the publication 'The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors: Or Christianity Before Christ' by Kersey Graves and Paul Tice, ISBN: 1585090182 or ISBN: 978-1585090181, a very good read.
Read it and then try to disprove the evidence presented. You will fail, but the trying is fun nonetheless :)
You are indeed correct, Be not deceived, by questioning ALL things. Anything of truth will beacon, beg, you to test its validity.
TheoGregoire 1 month ago
@TheoGregoire This booked failed just from the title alone. only a fool would bother.
paulpaid 1 month ago
@paulpaid Like I said, read it, then comment. What have you got be afraid of? After all, Divine Truth is irrefutable, correct?! ;)
And while you're at it, read Proverbs 3:31:
'Envy thou not the oppressor, and choose none of his ways.'
If you are the descendant of slaves brought into the Caribbean, Europe, or the Americas, you have indeed taken onboard the ways of thine oppressor!
Now go an liberate thyself.
TheoGregoire 1 month ago
@paulpaid greate job brother keep telling the truth these black people do not know that they are the real jews
tjblyden 1 week ago
the leading religions of our world are part of the deception or the illusion. we have been taught to segregate within our environment, race, culture, jobs etc. until we lead with love and light we will continue tofunction at low energy levels and will fail to evolve. although many would like totake or give credit to who or what is responsible for great and/or catastrophic events in our history that is also part of the plan to keep people oppressed spiritually, stop feeding the ego
Dlove126 1 month ago
egypt is not our home isreal is our home
lilynmarc2229 2 months ago
@lilynmarc2229 Yisrael is a people NOT a Place..
paulpaid 1 month ago
@paulpaid i never said it wasnt a people im just trying to make the point that we are not eygptian and eygpt is not our home.
lilynmarc2229 1 month ago
this guy's a mason....
13CIRCLE 2 months ago
Every prayer at church ends in AMEN which is Kemtetic...but at the same time there are things that are in the bible that are VERY important...It's about the meaning behind the verses not about the "people"..everything has a symbol even the meaning behind "ADM" and Eve(evoulution) of man and the metaphics of it all....search and look closer and you will find what I'm talking about...
Iamnotmyself31 4 months ago
so does this mean most african americans are decendets of ancent egyptians or nubians
jamie201120 6 months ago
I'm not a Christian,catholic, I don't do judism not of that I do believe in The Most High the creator of heaven n earth one God not many gods
OMONEY09 7 months ago
I must admit that the Lord has used the O.T. and words of Christ to lead me. When I begin to ask the Lord why he never used the words of Paul. The answer was simple. Paul was a false apostle. In addition to that knowing that Christ isn't God, and wasn't a savior brings us to the point of understanding that Christianity is the largest deception in the history of religion. Christians have no idea of the depths of the one they call Satan and may have no real desire to know.
Sight4DaBLIND 7 months ago
@Sight4DaBLIND the leading religions of our world are part of the deception or the illusion. we have been taught to segregate within our environment, race, culture, jobs etc. until we lead with love and light we will continue tofunction at low energy levels and will fail to evolve. although many would like totake or give credit to who or what is responsible for great and/or catastrophic events in our history that is also part of the plan to keep people oppressed spiritually, stop feeding the ego
Dlove126 1 month ago
where is part 2?
sweetmahalda 9 months ago
He teaches Wisdom.
If only people can open their heart. If our creator wanted us to be slaves as that is the cast on earth, he would not have give us a brain that works.
During slavery, slaves didn't even have the right to live.
I do not see any bad in questioning our Creator If it makes us wise because I know it is not the will of our creator to be slave, stupid or fearful.
Keep teaching Sir, knowledge about ourselves is wisdom.
BedRoomGangster 9 months ago
@BedRoomGangster This is not wisdom. Question the creator?? Thats like your infant questioning your parenting skills. May I ask what creator are you speaking of???
Morehnathanyael 9 months ago
@Morehnathanyael Well if u cant question the creator for feedback on your existence, then who do you question??? Do not ALL pastors , preachers, rabbis etc.. claim that they"took it to GOD and this is what he " says"?
googlemaps2 9 months ago
@googlemaps2 one must question everything for themselves in order to understand and learn the truth within their personal journey, QUESTION EVERYTHING! the creator of all understands this process and wants us to as well, love and light
Dlove126 1 month ago
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@Morehnathanyael one must question everything for themselves in order to understand and learn the truth within their personal journey, QUESTION EVERYTHING! the creator of all understands this process and wants us to as well, love and light
Dlove126 1 month ago
This man is a big liar! The problem with what he is saying is that it is his point of view. He can be easily debunked!
Morehnathanyael 10 months ago
the devil is a liar another false prohet in the land
reezon3 10 months ago
Love you, my brother. Preach! We need your word now more than every.
ojahmediagroup 11 months ago 4
@HalcyonAugust2 all of your questions can be answered if you dilligently seek truth.. most of the hard wark has already been done.. check out GATHERING144
jameslevite 11 months ago
I would like to ask them the following:
.....1) Where did the water come from on the first day?
.....2) Why does the evening come before the morning?
.....3) Why are the birds created on the fifth day in chapter one,
............and on the sixth day in chapter two?
.....4) Why is mankind made after the animals in chapter one
............and before the animals in chapter two?
.....5) If Adam was made 6,000 years ago, how do you explain Neanderthals,
HalcyonAugust2 1 year ago
@HalcyonAugust2 Has nothing to do with salvation and truth of what was given by way of the Master to the Apostles
phattracs 10 months ago
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@phattracs "Has nothing to do with salvation and truth" it comes from the bible so therefore you are saying the bible has nothing to do with salvation and truth
HalcyonAugust2 10 months ago
@phattracs uhuh.yeah whatever
HalcyonAugust2 9 months ago
@HalcyonAugust2 Did you ever get an answer???
Morehnathanyael 10 months ago
@Morehnathanyael sadly no hahahahaha. I don't think I ever will either
HalcyonAugust2 9 months ago
...in The Revetation of Jesus Christ 1:3; vs. 22:18-19...is another PERFECT WARNING from The Lord Jesus to all that fear God, and to all that do not fear before Him ( Jer. 5:22-31 vs. Malachi 3:16-18 ) ...FOR I TESTIFY to EVERY MAN that hears The words of The prophecy of THIS BOOK, if ANY MAN shall add unto THESE THINGS, GOD SHALL add unto him THE PLAGUES that ARE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK...
BLUEANGEL8108 1 year ago
And why would he ( Ray Hagins ) read from II Peter 1:19-21... KNOWING THIS FIRST, that NO PROPHECY OF THE SCRIPTURE is of ANY PRIVATE INTERPRETATION ( Now, verse 21 ) For the prophecy CAME NOT in old time BY THE WILL OF MAN: but holy men OF GOD SPAKE MOVED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT...and 2:1-22 "obviously pertains to Pastor Ray Hagins and the like!
BLUEANGEL8108 1 year ago
I love the black churches, hear the people calling out comments," preach it"
Allanlegacy43 1 year ago
Ths is soso true. Egypt is one of the number one most mentioned words in the bible, but rarely do you find people of other religions or Christians trying to find out the true history about khemit/Egypt, not his- story either. But the true one, If they did, then they could easily see how the true knowledge of khem has been taken and distorted to fool & mislead the minds of people around the world.
isisluv5 1 year ago 5
Dr. Hagins mistakenly believes that Egyptian polytheism (religion of many gods), and Western and Eastern religions of monotheism (G-d, God, Allah) are equivalent religious systems. Dr. Hagins was a Protestant (literal interpretation of scripture). Most Christians are not of the Protestant faith. They practice West or East Catholicism in the world. (200 million Black African Catholics). Catholicism does not teach the literal interpretaion of the Bible. Dr. Hagins is ignorant of Catholicism.
Bobbieleeable 1 year ago
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sacredartform 1 year ago
Dr. Hagins mistakenly believes that Egyptian polytheism (religion of many gods), and Western and Eastern religions of monotheism (G-d, God, Allah) are equivalent religious systems. Dr,. Hagins was a Protestant (literal interpretation of scripture) Most Christians are not of the Protestant faith. They practice West or East Catholicism in the world. (200 million Black African Catholics). Catholicism does not teach the literal interpretaion of the Bible. Dr. Hagins is ignorant of Catholicism.
Bobbieleeable 1 year ago
Dr,. Hagins was a Protestant (literal interpretation of scripture) Most Christians are not of the Protestant faith. They practice Western or Eastern Catholicism in the world. (200 million Black African Catholics). Catholicism does not teach the literal interpretaion of the Bible. The Magesterium of the Vatican interprets scripture taking into account language translationand other factors. Dr Hagins could not take this lecture to Africa.
Bobbieleeable 1 year ago
Revlooshin, I AGREE WITH YOU 100% AND "MORE"
TheAlaskaqueen 1 year ago
So Good So Far ......
goodgooglegoo 1 year ago
Now there are some elements Bilble that leaves me wondering and perplexed and so forth. But if God is giving me a gift that is gonna blot out my sins. Sure there are some things I got to do to keep that gift and make it more valuable in my life....that is a good deal....Thank Ya Sir Jesus (he's gonna be blotting out a lot in my life and I will graciously thank and praise him for it. So while we continue to scratch around Egypt to marvel at the earthly things God as done through man...
meatlman99 1 year ago
I can appreciate what pastor Hagin is doing. Its important to have all of humanity standup within there cultures and be proud. African is the root, yet the fruit wants to destroy the root....certainly the the tree of life...right? Well I can't know the mind of God, however, in all its written errors and undiscovered and incredibile lapses etc...the real messagein the Bible of love has transformed lives for the better. Can I get a witness.
meatlman99 1 year ago
Until your spirit realizes that there is a love from God that is beyond physical evidence. Faith in Jesus or whatever name you choice to call his concept and his truth is sufficient. Man through all his digging and physical evidence will never agree on the concept of truth. I have faith in what produces love for one another as brothers in this world...I have faith in Jesus and through Him I have witnessed love.
meatlman99 1 year ago
What a sad, confused, angry, racist, hurt little boy.
Hate filled MONSTERS are made up of such elements.
williamstdog9 1 year ago
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yeshuahfullofit 1 year ago
For the life of me, I don't understand why anyone pays this man any attention.
NotYourTypicalNegro 1 year ago
@NotYourTypicalNegro Why shouldn't they?
majesty82 1 year ago
@majesty82 - Your question will be answered in a soon forthcoming video.
NotYourTypicalNegro 1 year ago
@NotYourTypicalNegro I'm interested to know why YOU say he is wrong...perhaps you can provide some information besides the video
majesty82 1 year ago
Sir/madam, that is precisely why I said: "Your question will be answered in a soon forthcoming video."
NotYourTypicalNegro 1 year ago
@NotYourTypicalNegro why do u even care move on hater
jon76398 1 year ago
@jon76398, your comments are not worth responding to.
NotYourTypicalNegro 1 year ago
some of what this guy says is true, but alot of it is false. he takes facts and uses them to come to the wrong conclusions and the unsuspecting people in the audience eats it all up. for instance, he says that the two geneologies of jesus in matthew and luke are different and contradictory. true, they are different; they were intended to be different. one charts jesus' biological lineage and the other charts his royal lineage. in one, nathan is listed as david's son, and in the other solomon....
revlooshin 1 year ago
2....is listed as david's son. he erroneously calls this a contradiction, but it's not. both are david's sons. in the biological geneology nathan is listed. in the royal geneology solomon is listed because solomon is the son that followed david as the king. the two different geneologies are intended to prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that jesus was authentic. haggins drops the ball on this one. there are many other errors and misconceptions he makes as well. HE'S IN-CREDIBLE!
revlooshin 1 year ago
@revlooshin no hes the truth the bibel is a fake no ones cares about it anymore not even white people i know read it stop being a hater ur the devil fuck off
jon76398 1 year ago
@jon76398 where did you learn about the character called 'the devil"? it was in the bible. yet, you speak of him as he's a real being. so the character is real, but the literature he is found in is fake. wow!! i'll gladly fuck off before i attempt to have an intelligent conversation with someone like you.
revlooshin 1 year ago
@revlooshin wtf are u talkin about who mentiond the devil in that way none of it is real u fuckin goofy devil is just a word to describe a stupid bad person like ur dumb ass
jon76398 1 year ago
@jon76398 how do you KNOW with 100% certainty that the bible is not real? where is your concrete proof? or are you going by what someone else told you? btw, your language, coupled with your terrible spelling, makes you come off as one truly ignorant individual. this is the legacy you are leaving for yourself for as long as these comments remain on this video. people will read these comments in the future and say,"wow, jon76398 seems like ONE TRULY IGNORANT INDIVIDUAL."
revlooshin 1 year ago
i used facts to prove that pastor hagins made errors in his presentation. i didn't visciously attack him. he called the two different geneologies of jesus a contradiction when they were intended to be different. this is a documented fact. look it up. he also said that the virgin birth prophecy in isaiah didn't refer to jesus, but to ahaz. WRONG! there is an established hermeneutical law called THE LAW OF DOUBLE REFERENCE. it's used several times throughout scripture. it means just what it says..
revlooshin 1 year ago
2..It's when a passage of scripture is used in reference to two different individuals because it contains many parallels. it's also called a 'type'. Ahaz is a type of jesus. there are many types of jesus in the old testament. someone who has studied in a seminary should know these things because there are classes that pertain to them. so don't get upset with me and hurl insults because i point these errors out. research it and let's discuss it rationally.
revlooshin 1 year ago
@revlooshin it was my understanding that the prophecy of the virgin birth was in reference to immanuel not ahaz. isaiah 7 begins with "ahaz was the king of judah". he already existed according to the scripture. the prophecy concerning the virgin birth occurs near the end of chapter 7. the child is born in isaiah 8. i never heard hagins say it was a prophecy of ahaz's birth. also where in the bible is this hermeneutical law called THE LAW OF DOUBLE REFERENCE? or that ahaz was a type of jesus. ty
kingdrapes 1 year ago
@kingdrapes you're right. i flubbed that one. ahaz isn't the subject of the prophecy, the child, immanuel, born of a virgin is. my bad. hagins' argument was that the prophecy had nothing to do with jesus at all. that's what i was refuting. the law of double reference is an established principle of hermeneutics. the phrase doesn't appear in the bible, but the principle does. just like you never see the words simile, metaphor, hendiadys, or metonomy in the bible either. the concepts are there.
revlooshin 1 year ago
@revlooshin first of all i would like to thank you for your response. whenever i ask these type ?'s most ppl tend to shy away, and i asked you because you seem to be reasonable and to also demonstrate some knowledge of scripture, but i still don't understand how the prophecy relates to jesus when it appears to be a sign to ahaz that he would triumph in battle. am i mistaken in thinking the child was born in isaiah 8? if so who is the child in isaiah 8? thnx again
kingdrapes 1 year ago
@kingdrapes no sense in lying. i made a mistake. it happens. as i was saying, the passage doesn't JUST refer to jesus. it has an immediate reference, and a historical reference. hence, double reference. the name IMMANUEL in hebrew means 'GOD WITH US'. he was born of a virgin, or young maden. the same concept is used of satan/the king of tyrus in ezekiel 28 and isaiah 14.
revlooshin 1 year ago
@revlooshin i understand how it refers to immanuel i just dont understand how it foretells of jesus. i am aware of the reference in matthew, but lets say that i didn't and i read isaiah from the begining, when i got to the prophecy what tells me this is about the messiah? in other words did isaiah say it, or does matthew claim that he did?
kingdrapes 1 year ago
@kingdrapes that's the nature of systematic theology (approaching the bible as an entire system of divine revelation, instead of 66 separate and distinct writings). granted, isaiah doesn't specifically say that it's solely a reference to the messiah. but he assuredly knew the messiah was prophesied. that comes with understanding how the bible was originally written. many old testament prophecies have both an immediate-historical fulfillment, and a future-eschatalogical fulfillment.
revlooshin 1 year ago
@revlooshin myabe i'm not being clear. you say that it's not SOLEY a reference of jesus. i'm asking where is ANY reference to jesus or a messiah in isaiah. and if isaiah doesn't say it then how can we jump to the conclusion that he must know simply because matthew later claims he did. i'm not trying prove hagins right or wrong this is strictly for my own understanding. u made a valid point about the allegory angle so i figured that u could help me understand the prophecy in question. thnx
kingdrapes 1 year ago
@kingdrapes you should google 'the law of double reference'. the passage in question has two references: 1 immediate-historical, and 1 future. the immediate -historical reference is to maher-shalal-hash-baz (isaiah 8:1-4). the future reference is to jesus (IMMANUEL-God with us). Then the prophecy is mentioned again in matthew. you know a messianic prophecy doesn't have to specifically mention the name of jesus, don't you?
revlooshin 1 year ago
2@kingdrapes, btw, we don't jump to any conclusion that isaiah knew because matthew later claims he did. it was the prophet's sole duty to relay the message. there are times in scripture in which the prophet received words and visions from God that he didn't quite understand, but he recorded and relayed it as it was given and the meaning was revealed later. read daniel, zechariah, joel and revelation.
revlooshin 1 year ago
@revlooshin i thank you for your time in responding though i must say citing the so called law of double reference only strengthens hagins' position on this issue, which is you have to make it say something that it doesn't in order to make it fit. immanuel does mean god with us,but is this a reference to a future messiah, or simply a way of saying God is on our side? btw you yourself said isaiah " assuredly knew the messiah was prophesied" but now you say "he didn't quite understand" pls xplain
kingdrapes 1 year ago
@kingdrapes hagins is wrong because he says that that prophecy had nothing at all to do with jesus. the fact that jesus WAS born of a virgin, was God in the flesh, and did dwell among His people (IMMANUEL) shows that the prophecy DID have a reference to Him. hagins is the one who'd have to prove that matthew fabricated the whole thing. and i didn't say "he [isaiah] didn't quite understand." i clearly wrote,"THERE ARE TIMES IN SCRIPTURE WHEN...." you have to read carefully, bro.
revlooshin 1 year ago
@revlooshin where in that prophecy do you read that the child was to be god in the flesh or he will dwell among his ppl? i ask you to show how the prophecy relates to jesus and all you continue to say immanuel which mean god with us when the phrase is clearly meant to illustrate that god was on the side of ahaz in this conflict. you admitted this yourself.
kingdrapes 1 year ago
@revlooshin the prophecy is mentioned in matthew as i stated in my earlier comment i already knew this, but ONLY in matthew is any link to a messiah made. isaiah says to look for immanuel, maher-shalal-hash-baz is born isaiah 8:3 in isaiah 8:8. immanuel is used. isaiah 8:10 says "Devise your strategy, but it will be thwarted; propose your plan, but it will not stand, for God is with us", showing the true reason for calling the child immanuel
kingdrapes 1 year ago
@kingdrapes you are right. but what you're having difficulty understanding is the nature and fashion in which prophecies are sometimes given in scripture. i'm trying to explain to you that there are times when prophecies have double references. i even gave you an example with satan/the king of tyrus in ezekiel 28. you keep saying that you're not trying to prove hagins wrong or right, but you're ignoring my clear explanation, which leads me to believe you ARE trying to prove he's right. if ...
revlooshin 1 year ago
2...that's what you believe then believe it. i'm not hating. the bible claims to be a revelation from God. it doesn't say that some of it's books are inspired by God and some aren't. so why would anyone try and separate isaiah and matthew if BOTH were inspired by God? read daniel 3. the king had a statue of himself erected. and it was decreed that whoever didn't worship it would be killed. the beast (antichrist) does the same thing in revelation 13. it's a 'type' because of it's dual reference.
revlooshin 1 year ago
@revlooshin i didn't seperate any books whoever named them did that. and anything i said that you said was copied and pasted directly from your comments. as 4 me trying prove hagins right, no such thing, i only seek the truth.
kingdrapes 1 year ago
@kingdrapes show me exactly where i said," he [isaiah] didn't quite understand." do you believe the entire bible was inspired by God? how long have you been studying it? i don't have a problem answering your questions. in fact, i like it. it keeps me sharp. but what you need to understand about the bible is that there are certain nuances and principles you have to learn. you have to know alot of background information, etc., etc.. it's not a book you just understand by casually reading it. did..
revlooshin 1 year ago
2...you read ezekiel 28 and the prophecy concerning the king of tyrus, and how it parallels with satan? did you read daniel 3, how nebuchadnezzar had the statue erected of himself and it was decreed that whoever didn't worship it was to be put to death? and how it parallels with what the beast (antichrist) does in revelation 13? these are just two of the exact same kinds of passages as in isaiah, which mention one specific name but have double references. THE LAW OF DOUBLE REFERENCE.
revlooshin 1 year ago
@revlooshin matthew 1:22 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 23"The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel"[d]—which means, "God with us." 24When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife. 25But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus
is there an example in the bible where jesus is called immanuel?
kingdrapes 1 year ago
@revlooshin The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel. 15 He will eat curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right. 16 But before the boy knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, the land of the two kings you dread will be laid waste. 17 The LORD will bring on you and on your people and on the house of your father a time unlike any since Ephraim broke away from Judah—he will bring the king of Assyria."
kingdrapes 1 year ago
@kingdrapes i understand your point, and to a degree you're right. but you're not quite understanding my point, despite my many examples. here's another. in matthew 24, mark 13, and luke 21 jesus gives what is known as THE OLIVET PROPHECY, where he fortells the destruction of jerusalem. this prophecy was fulfilled in 70 ad, but it also has a future fulfillment at the end of the age. there's that double reference again. all i can say to you is to keep studying and you'll be able to pick up on....
revlooshin 1 year ago
2....those little nuances of interpreting scripture. it comes with an understanding of hermeneutics. the bible is what is called 'a progressive revelation'. this means that the revelation unfolds more as time evolves. this, consequently, also happens to be a hermeneutical principle, called 'the progressive mention principle'. if you don't understand these principles and nuances, as is apparent of hagins in his teachings, then proper interpretation will be lost.
revlooshin 1 year ago
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@revlooshin your comment...2@kingdrapes, btw, we don't jump to any conclusion that isaiah knew because matthew later claims he did. it was the prophet's sole duty to relay the message. there are times in scripture in which the prophet received words and visions from God that he didn't quite understand, but he recorded and relayed it as it was given and the meaning was revealed later. read daniel, zechariah, joel and revelation
kingdrapes 1 year ago
@revlooshin you continue to rely on a man made THEORY of hermeneutics to twist the writings of isaiah. isaiah is the book we are dealing with right? when reading a book, any book , does it make sense to read a paragraph on page 22 then jump to another on page 102 then back to one on pge 12. if 7: 14 is what you say it is, why is it revealed only AFTER jesus was born? please answer this and the other ?'s that i have asked, such as is there an example in the bible where jesus is called immanuel?
kingdrapes 1 year ago
@kingdrapes the fact that you call 'hermeneutics' a 'THEORY' clearly demonstrates that you are not at all familiar with how to properly interpret the bible. HERMENEUTICS- THE ART OR SCIENCE OF INTERPRETATION. just because something is man-made doesn't mean it's bad or ineffective. if that was the case God would have written the bible Himself, so THAT argument of yours is lacking in logic. your problem is that you're looking for the words,"THIS PROPHECY IS TALKING ABOUT JESUS." there's NO old....
revlooshin 1 year ago
2...testament prophecy that mentions "JESUS" by name. NOT A ONE! i keep telling you that the bible is a progressive revelation, but you seem to have difficulty comprehending that. do you even know what progressive revelation means? why won't you look it up? i'm not making this stuff up. you can't divorce the need for hermeneutics from the bible. what do you think paul meant when he told timothy in 2 timothy 2:15 that it was important to "RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH"? in genesis 3:15, where
revlooshin 1 year ago
3...it says that the seed of the woman will bruise the head of the serpent, and the seed of the serpent would bruise the seed of the woman's heel, who is that talking about? who are these seeds? in psalm 22:1 it says,"My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" who is that talking? is there anyone else who says those exact same words in the bible? isaiah 53:5 says,"He was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities..." who is that referring to? in neither of these....
revlooshin 1 year ago
4....prophecies does it say "THIS IS TALKING ABOUT JESUS." i've tried to slowly and carefully explain to you that the bible doesn't work this way, but you just can't grasp it. it's not because what i'm saying is complicated. it's not. first, you don't know how to properly interpret (rightly divide) the bible. secondly, you want to defend hagins' false teachings. you should have been honest and said that up front instead of pretending that you just wanted clarification.
revlooshin 1 year ago
5....you keep asking me,"where in that prophecy does it mention jesus as immanuel". i've answered that question at least twice. AND i've given you about 5 examples, now. you just don't like the answer. and that's fine by me. you still haven't answered my questions: do you believe that the entire bible is the inspired word of God? how long have you been studying it? if you can't be decent enough to answer my questions, then by no means should you ask me another one.
revlooshin 1 year ago
@revlooshin i see i have touched a nerve it would seem that the so called law of double reference applies to your comments as well example " i've answered that question at least twice. AND i've given you about 5 examples" is it twice or five examples the only answer yoiu gave is to say god with us it is clear i asked the wrong person to explain because you seem to lack understanding of a simple ? which is how do you get jesus or a messiah coming from the phrase god with us?
kingdrapes 1 year ago
2 @revlooshin as your ? do i believe the bible is the word of god? that remains to be seen which is the very reason i study it. to believe without investigation is to be sucker for anything told to you. which seems to be y you have no problem swallowing this double reference nonsense. if jesus is not called immanuel or eat butter and honey how does this match isaiah's prophecy. simple it doesn't.
kingdrapes 1 year ago
@kingdrapes you didn't touch a nerve with your questions. i answered them adequately. you touched a nerve with your persisting to ask the same question over and over again AFTER i answered it. i answered your question concerning jesus being IMMANUEL at least twice. then i gave 5 different examples of how the law of double reference is used elsewhere in the bible besides isaiah 7. you didn't like the answer. cool. but it is the correct answer. you still didn't say how long you've been studying...
revlooshin 1 year ago
2...but you don't have to, your words have shown me all i need to know. you actually downplayed the crucial role that sound hermeneutics play in properly interpreting the bible. you ERRONEOUSLY and LAUGHABLY referred to the science of hermeneutics as A THEORY. you haven't been studying long at all. but stay positive and keep at it. one day you'll see that what i'm telling you is right. you just need a little more experience and knowledge under your belt. you have to ask yourself, does the bible
revlooshin 1 year ago
3...ever call Jesus "God"? the answer is, YES! then ask yourself, does the bible ever teach that Jesus DWELLED WITH US? that answer is also, YES! there you have Jesus fulfilling the meaning of the name IMMANUEL. it's so simple. you don't see it because you don't want to see it. i already told you that hebrew names often describe an event or a characteristic of a person's life. you didn't pay attention. btw, the law of double reference is not a 'so-called' law, it's an established law.
revlooshin 1 year ago
@revlooshin established by whom? i did not ask if the bible says jesus dwelled with his people I ASKED WHERE IN ISAIAH'S PROPHECY DOES IT SAY THAT? PAY ATTENTION instead of being so self rightous. furthermore "god with us" and god do not have the same meaning. how does it sound 2 say in the beginning god with us created the heavens and the earth. the child was called immanuel not god
kingdrapes 1 year ago
@kingdrapes ah! it appears that I have touched a nerve. but you were so docile at first. what does IMMANUEL mean in hebrew? where does it say in ANY old testament prophecy that,"THIS PROPHECY REFERS TO JESUS?" you've got the 'asking questions' part down, you just need work with the 'answering questions' part. do you not feel comfortable answering questions?
revlooshin 1 year ago
2...since you don't like the answers i keep giving you why don't you do your own research and google the phrase "law of double reference"? you're already at the computer. google the word 'hermeneutics' while you're at it. you're never going to learn the word of God by relying upon another person's understanding. as it says in proverbs 4:7,"...with all thy getting get understanding." it doesn't say,"with all of someone else's getting wait for someone else to GIVE YOU understanding."
revlooshin 1 year ago
@revlooshin isn't 'hermeneutics" another person's understanding?
kingdrapes 1 year ago
@kingdrapes no. hermeneutics is the art and science of interpretation. it's like physics. to understand physics you have to first understand the laws of physics. you can't divorce the two. the laws of hermeneutics have been discovered, demonstrated and tested over and over again. no one person has established them. it's just like any other science. why don't you do a little research?
revlooshin 1 year ago
3...why would God tell isaiah to tell ahaz the boy's name would be IMMANUEL, then in the next chapter say to call him 'maher-shalal-hash-baz"? IMMANUEL literally means GOD WITH US. doesn't it? the prophecy in isaiah doesn't have to say,"THIS IS TALKING ABOUT JESUS' for you to know by applying the progressive mention principle of hermeneutics that Jesus (who is God, and did dwell with us), fulfilled the literal meaning of the name IMMANUEL in a way that no one else did. it's not difficult, man.
revlooshin 1 year ago
3 @revlooshin and will say that it is you who seem to be hung up on whether hagins right or wrong, as it is you who keeps mentioning his name. and you have the arrogance to tell me that i'm defending him, as if you know my thoughts. i won't be judged on hagins beliefs so him being right or wrong is the least of my concerns. i am more concerned with the truthfullness of matthews claim about isaiah's prophecy. i thought you could help but it seems i was very wrong. good day sir
kingdrapes 1 year ago
@kingdrapes what you have to learn is that when you don't know something and you ask someone for help you have to humble yourself and at least take the time to research and see if the explanation that person gave you checks out. did you ever take the time to google the law of double reference? NO! did you ever define the term 'type' and how it's used in scripture? NO! So you admittedly know jack squat about the bible and hermeneutics, and you want to debate? you'll get nowhere without humility.
revlooshin 1 year ago
@revlooshin now you are making a fool of yourself. how can you tell me what i did,(arrogance) r u here with me NO! the problem is now clear as you think this is a debate. as for defining type i asked you how ahaz was a type of jesus as you claimed., how its my responsibility to substantiate YOUR claim. you have trouble answering a simple ? and it comes to this? what a fine representation of christ you turned out to be. please do not respond as i asked for help not a debate
kingdrapes 1 year ago
@kingdrapes you need to stop fronting like you needed help, because a person who needs help doesn't question the person who is trying to help him. i helped you by teaching you about the law of double reference and you didn't even look it up. you DISPUTED it! i taught you about types. you didn't look it up, you DISPUTED it. i told you about the importance of hermeneutics and you DISPUTED it. you're darned right i was a good representative of Christ!. you were dishonest and unknowledgeable.
revlooshin 1 year ago
2...instead of taking a little time to look those things up to see if they were true, you tried to dispute them. but how can you dispute something when you admittedly know little to nothing about it? that's why you're getting upset now. i saw right through your little facade of "not trying to defend hagins, but wanting clarification." you are so transparent. this last comment is what the real you is all about, and until you humble yourself you'll always know as little as you know now.
revlooshin 1 year ago
@revlooshin again you claim to know what is in my mind, your explanations were stupid, circular, and full of holes. example 2, YOUR words.."why would God tell isaiah to tell ahaz the boy's name would be IMMANUEL, then in the next chapter say to call him 'maher-shalal-hash-baz"? IMMANUEL literally means GOD WITH US" he didnt say god is coming, god with us, once again is another way of saying god is on your side. 8:8 says o immanuel 8:10 says god is with us plain to see yet...
kingdrapes 1 year ago
@kingdrapes 3..scheme to prove hagins right. did i not say u had a point about him calling a story allegory when it wasn't? i knew it wasn't because i considered the CONTEXT in which it was called allegory. so simply because i am not satisfied with your explanation doesn't mean i didn't look into it, i'd just prefer to trust what i see instead what someone tells me i should see. men LIE so forgive me 4 wanting proof. ...
kingdrapes 1 year ago
@kingdrapes i told you that i don't care whether or not you accepted my answer, didn't i? i meant that. everybody isn't going to agree 100%. i accept that. and i have no qualm with you calling my answer stupid and circular, either. after all, you're the guy who never heard of hermeneutics and called it A THEORY. you're the one who downplays it's importance. so i'd expect nothing less than you calling my answer 'stupid and circular'. it would indeed seem just like that to someone like you.
revlooshin 1 year ago
@revlooshin (cont) you suggest i ignore what is clearly written, and the context in which it is written. you suggest i shouldn't question your answer? how does that sound? r u the supreme authority on such matters? should i swallow everything i'm told? you also suggest that i shouldn't rely on man's interpretation so how is hermeneutics not man's interpretation? you say isaiah assuredly knew then you he wasn't quite sure & it took matt. to clarify. u dodge every ? and accuse me some ...
kingdrapes 1 year ago
@kingdrapes first you praised me for NOT shying away from your questions, now you accuse me of dodging them. you get kind of erratic when you're upset. i told you that i didn't mind the questions, in fact, i liked them because they keep me sharp, didn't i? you have a problem remembering stuff. i just get tired of answering the same questions over and over again. i said that before, too, didn't i? i'm no authority at all, but it's clear that i know far more than you. that shouldn't bother you....
revlooshin 1 year ago
2...seeing that i've been studying much longer than you have. i never suggested that you ignore what is written, that's a figment of your inability to interpret what i clearly wrote. in fact, what i DID say is that your interpretation was partially right. remember that? i told you several times that your problem is that you expect the text to say 'THIS PROPHECY REFERS TO JESUS'. remember that? NO O.T. prophecy concerning Jesus says that. remember i told you that? i also told you the bible is....
revlooshin 1 year ago
3...not a book you can understand by casually reading, remember that? i gave you about 5 additional examples of how types and double references are used elsewhere in scripture in order to establish a biblical pattern of the law in use. remember that? i never said "isaiah wasn't quite sure." i clarified that, yet you insist that i wrote that. so the problem is not that i think that i am some kind of authority beyond questioning. the problem is that YOU DON'T LISTEN! YOUR MEMORY IS TERRIBLE! ....
revlooshin 1 year ago
4....AND YOU'RE NOT HUMBLE!!! and you keep FOOLISHLY saying that the science of hermeneutics is 'man-made'. what science isn't 'man-made'? that's REALLY a FOOLISH thing to keep saying just because you don't understand it, and how crucial it is to interpreting the Bible (or any other piece of literature). science is a systematic method of acquiring knowledge which involves observation, testing, and repeat testing. HERMENEUTICS IS THE ESTABLISHED SCIENCE OF INTERPRETING LITERATURE!!! ......
revlooshin 1 year ago
5....THERE ARE LAWS AND PRINCIPLES WHICH APPLY TO INTERPRETING THE BIBLE (AND ANY OTHER PIECE OF LITERATURE), WHETHER YOU KNOW IT OR NOT, AND WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT! you never heard of anyone rejecting archaeology, geology and mathematics because they were 'man-made', have you? THAT'S SO LAME OF YOU!!! and i never once applied the word "allegory" to isaiah. where'd you get that from? i see you like to make up stuff, too.
revlooshin 1 year ago
6...now this is the most important lesson i will have ever taught you.......how to REALLY end a conversation. you don't seem quite too good at that either, because on two occasions you tried to end it, only to reply again. you HAVE to have the last word. that's a trait that denotes arrogance. i have no hard feelings against you. it's too bad this conversation devolved to this, so it's best that i end it here than to continue to trade insults with you. peace out, my brother!!!
revlooshin 1 year ago
(or i should say, he doesn't argue with the person who is helping him)
revlooshin 1 year ago
2 @revlooshin where in that prophecy do you read that the child was to be god in the flesh or he will dwell among his ppl?
prophecy - divine prediction: a prediction of a future event that is believed to reveal the will of a deity
2. prediction: a prediction that something will occur in the future
3. supposed ability to predict future: the supposed ability to predict the future when inspired by a deity
why is 7:14 not linked to jesus BEFORE his birth?
kingdrapes 1 year ago
@revlooshin no im going by what makes sense i cant see him and the storys in the bibel have no explanations most people belive its just scientific u ignorant because u all in my fuckin business the bibel isnt real none of it makes real logical sense why the fuck do u care about what i said dont judge me judge yourself bye and who cares about spelling im typing not talking its a fuckin difference if u cant understand dont fuckn read it bitch
jon76398 1 year ago
@jon76398 1. so you DON'T have proof to validate your claim that the bible is fake. 2) you ARE going by what OTHER PEOPLE have told you (mainly white people). 3. i can't make out the rest of what you wrote because not only is the spelling so atrocious, but you don't appear to be able to form coherent sentences. your sentence structure is horrible! you're border-line illiterate and you curse like a viscious animal, yet you have the nerve to tell me what is and what isn't logical? you're pathetic.
revlooshin 1 year ago
2 @jon76398...look, i'm going to end this because the longer i talk with you the more people are going to link me with you, and i don't need your ignorance and your illiteracy to infect me. some people you just can't have an intelligent conversation with, so it's best to just move on. i'm done with you. don't bother to respond because i'll just delete it. peace, 'brother;.
revlooshin 1 year ago
@revlooshin Why do black people find a need to find themselves in the bible? Black people don't need a false religion that copied from others and put its on European/Capitalistic spin on it to further perpetuate white supremacy. The point is that African people, including the ones who are still there but lost mentally, need to repatriate to Africa, whether it is mentally or physically. Pan-Africanism is the only way. At least this brother has begun to try to break the chains of mental slavery!!
majesty82 1 year ago
@majesty82 majesty. regardless of beliefs, persuasion, or ideology, facts are facts. when george bush sr. is on your tv talking about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq you don't accept or reject his claims based on his beliefs, persuasion or ideology, you judge his integrity by the facts! did they actually ever find wmd's? NO? then he's a liar! at least on this topic. get my point? hagins isn't wrong because he's pro-african and I am a disciple of jesus. he's wrong because he misrepresented..
revlooshin 1 year ago
2 @ majesty82......and misinterpreted some elementary biblical truths. things a professed theologian and seminary student should have learned in his first year of his biblical studies. so should I just ignore his blatant errors and continue to follow him because i'm black like he is, or should I continue to seek a higher level of truth by someone who is more accurate with the facts? this is a large part of our problem as people, we are so eager to follow a man that we don't take the time to....
revlooshin 1 year ago
3@majesty82....thoroughly examine the things they are saying. we place so much of an emphasis on appearance, style, eloquence, emotions and other outward qualities like this, moreso than we do on substance and facts. that's why we are often misled and divided. the man made some errors in his presentation, it's just that simple. do some research and you'll see what i'm talking about.
revlooshin 1 year ago
do christians evolve at a slower pace?
moondoggie1327 1 year ago 10
@moondoggie1327 NO MAN EVOLVES... Except that evil men wax worse and worse!
LPATWILLFILM 1 year ago
@moondoggie1327 They do but only one organ evoles at a much slower pace, care to guess which organ is slow? o.o
mythicalhell 1 year ago
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If this is going where I think this is going, this man has absolutely no business being a pastor. He's a traitor and should be dealt with accordingly.
Orenotter 1 year ago
You have every right to feel the way you do but I think you should listen to the whole lecture,research what he's sayin,then challenge him. He's just presenting facts,remember the bible was written with human hands & human's aren't perfect.
funkman70 1 year ago 5
@Orenotter what is that supposed to mean dealt with accordingly? traitor to who? to what? if you want to play the blind man go ahead but this man has discovered the truth through reading and research. if you are so bold read the same material and see if your "faith" is not challenged if not broken. I am a white man and i grew up in an all Christian mostly southern baptist white town.
DaveHorecker 1 year ago
What on Gods green earth is this half-wit saying. Please someone help this man. Get him a chair to sit down, cold water to cool his brow.
RightCountry 1 year ago
I am Christian, my first lenguage is spanish, i did not finished high school, BUT, I can have debate with this man haggins and make sense of all that he calls lies, this IGNORANCE that he shows is INCREDIBLE, but of course a work os satan, no doudt, any questions? did you think that rc spraul, steve gregg, adrian rogers, david jeremiah, or any of those theologians are the only ones? I am here, and the annointing has come upon me
doncheito 1 year ago
yes the annointing of a fool who believes what he has been taught
STARCHYLD77 1 year ago
hehehe, are you doing something different? are you not following this crazy guy, BELIEVING what he says? wow, really, you are nuts. see ya. ooh anndddd, you must be black, ha? You should know better, your ancestry was discriminated, now YOU are discriminating whites? FOOL. Whites are evil for you ha? you wish you could round them up and ship them somewhere else, ha? history repeats it self, hahaha.
doncheito 1 year ago
As it is written concerning Ysrael/Elelohe For the leaders of this people cause them to err; and they that are led of them are destroyed.
SURNAMEDISRAEL 2 years ago
Completion of comment: Youshua/Messiah sent his Apostles to teach and preach his doctrine and to teach all nations of his Salvation as it is written: as Yoshua/Christ spoke it: Ye worship ye know not what we know what we worship for salvation is of the Jews. And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumbling block, and a recompence unto them:
SURNAMEDISRAEL 2 years ago
4And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the LORD.
SURNAMEDISRAEL 2 years ago
3And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase.
SURNAMEDISRAEL 2 years ago
2Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will
SURNAMEDISRAEL 2 years ago
"22": But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings.
Jeremiah 23 1Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD. visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.
SURNAMEDISRAEL 2 years ago
continuation part 1 "20": The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly.
"21": I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.
to be continuted:
SURNAMEDISRAEL 2 years ago
I believe you mean well but what did Yah/Lord say
18": For who hath stood in the counsel of the LORD, and hath perceived and heard his word? who hath marked his word, and heard it?
"19": Behold, a whirlwind of the LORD is gone forth in fury, even a grievous whirlwind: it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked.
to be continued:
SURNAMEDISRAEL 2 years ago
This guy is obviously rebelling against being forced into religion as a child. Why else would he believe Acharya S's Jesus Conspiracy story! Its so stuiped! These people are so quick to believe the first thing that allows them to abandone their beliefs seemingly legitamately. It ridiculous. There are websites that say Napoleon didn't exist, I guess there really is a sucker born every minute he happens to be one of them....
sammygebre 2 years ago
i had no choice but to help you to open your eyes .if you look clearly into those new testament epistles of paul you will discover that the writer and person being addressed are very clear.
paul is the writer and any of the churches in e.g thessalonia or ephesus were the ones being addressed .this tells us that whatever was written in those pauline epistles were not written to me or you rather it applied to those whom it was addressed to
thenewbreed2 2 years ago
when it is all said and done guess what read malachi and see what he said the pastors/ priests are supose to teach the people hummm while ray is talking he is doing the same as them priests are doing leading people astray
durango64 2 years ago
have you ever wondered why lots of so called pastors will not preach anything from the old testament ?for exaple they tell you that we are dealing with the new convenant hence the need to focus on the new testament
can you go into Leviticus and Deuteronomy and do your research about tithes and offering and see that these pastors are thieves ,they are not levities so why are they collecting tithes and if tithing is in the old covenant why are we still paying tithes today
thenewbreed2 2 years ago
have you ever wonder why you get tongue tied whenever you are asked a question like -why has jesus not returned for the past 2000 years?!!!!!
how can jesus be the saviour when isaiah 43:11 God says "I ,even I am the lord and besides me there is no saviour"
with that said we know that whoever the saviour will be ,it must be God himself ,so christians are led to think that jesus is God which infact is wrong
acts 7:55-stephen 'full of the holy ghost' sees jesus sitting on the side of God
thenewbreed2 2 years ago
nope never wonder i know the next comming is going be by fire he will not meet you as a man homey next comming is judgement
durango64 2 years ago
show me a place in the old testament where hell is mentioned ,you have made a decision to blindly deny facts ,i have shown you scriptures that clearly refutes christianity
how can you say God's mercy endures forever yet he has prepared a special place to torture people for eternity ,is that not contradictory
Rome gave you Christianity yet they have the most misbehaved priests in Christianity yet you never wonder if there is something they know that you do not know .
thenewbreed2 2 years ago
someone gives you a book,you accept it with no iota of skepticism or the gut to even ask questions ,you simply beleive it ,that is very bad
"Tell a man there are 100 billion stars in space and he will beleive it ,but tell him a bench has wet paint on it and he will have to touch it to beleive" .
thenewbreed2 2 years ago
contd.
this clearly tells us that there is a difference between God and jesus so this violates isaiah 43 :11 where God himself should be the saviour.this is another blow to the book called the bible which is simply a well crafted deception
thenewbreed2 2 years ago
Thanks for your bravery and insight! Ive listened to many pastors teach on the Bible and most don"t or will not touch the actual history of its development. So we are suppose to believe and not question. But that means that we aren"t thinking critically. Serapis, the Nicea council of 325, ancient Egyptian text, are very important to this Bible and only You Dr Hagin go where no other pastor Dare go! Thanks for the history -the real history of this book of books. Imhotep!
prcty 2 years ago
If there is no absolute truth, then, who is to say what is truth? This false teacher doesn't agree with certain parts of Scripture, and therefore claims that Scripture is not inerrant. Simple.
asimpleinstrument 2 years ago
i dont think anyone knows anything about chrsitianity anymore
aaron343432 2 years ago
Free Masons( the founding fathers of the U.S)are the people who corrupted ancient and sacred texted of Kemet (Egypt) (fyi egypt is a greek term, part of the bible is written in greek I wonder why-rhetorical question). Every thing from the colors red white&blue,the eagle symbol,the layout of D.C&biblical theology was taken (PLAGIARIZED) from the temples in Kemet. The Immaculate conception was 1st described in those temples. So was the concept of a resurrection. All knowledge comes from Afrika
kmconley0422 2 years ago 2
Chirstians r nothing but mithra worshipers. If you are black and a christians then u know nothing about ur cultural. Because once u reasearch who and where u come from christianty can no longer exist.
loop763 2 years ago 2
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What a charlatan! I cant BELIEVE how easily u guys is fooled! I aint never seen a FAITHLESS Pastor before!! ALL things are possible with GOD!!! Who wanna serve a God with no power? This man aint no Pastor! There is no truth in this man! Wakeup and come to JESUS therin is SALVATION!!!
jaydublis 2 years ago
"come to JESUS..."
The same Jesus with a church in La Maison des Esclaves on Goree Island in Senegal? That the KKK burns crosses for? The same Jesus that didn't exist when WE were NEGUS & not the "N-word"?
You can remain on "The Good Ship Jesus" eating pork, enrichening corps owned by ppl that hate you, believing what THEY TAUGHT YOU while THEY LEARN WHAT YOUR ANCESTORS KNEW (i.e. languages...research it). Meanwhile the rest of US elevate ourselves.
We still love you regardless.
LadyLibraNMore 2 years ago
It was once quoted that "Ignorance is the mother of devotion", LadyLibraNMore, don't waste your time trying 2 explain to dumbasses the true historicity of this fabricated jesus figure that never historically existed, but was done by the works of the roman empire , and was/ still is a tool used to control us if we allow it to. Unbelievable, our own story from thousands of yrs ago in ancient kemet presented back to us under their ethnicity and fabrication...AIN'T DAT A BITCH!?
thalategreat 2 years ago 2
PROVE HIM WRONG SO OTHERS CAN LEARN
tamaduni 2 years ago 2
Your lost. Yshua ben Yusuf who you call Jesus was a spiritual man who's believes were tarnished by Paul to marginalize what was a budding movement in 1st cent palestine. As Paul said "I have become all things to all people so that some might be saved" which is to say...I lie to get by!
Find your spirituality and true humanity within and by considering your ancestors. Our wisdom transcends the gospels and we ought not to be ashamed of it any longer.
ChristiansMustLearn 2 years ago
loser.
acfacf4321 2 years ago
I cant believe some of thses comments from so-called conscious people. Study