PEREPITEIA GENERATOR DEMO VIDEO - Part 5

[sudoldas]

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[drac800]

Show us that this system, coupled via a pulley and an EXTERNAL measurable work load, is capable of doing more work than the same induction motor on its own, coupled via a pulley to the same measurable work load, with the same current input, and you'll demonstrate that you have created a more efficient electric motor; not perpetual motion or energy. MAYBE you've stumbled on a system that is able to recover a portion of the input energy, but not produce energy from nothing.

[robotpredator8]

hey whats the main thing about this?can u show a discription about this?

[definitionofis]

The main thing is that a normal electric motor would accelerate to infinity except back emf and friction holds it back. Thane claims he is reducing back emf, thus causing some higher speeds. Might be a more efficient motor.

However, GoodElf1 might be on to something (below) regarding how inductive circuits have a power factor (which is measurable) and thus he might be improperly measuring the current and voltage as they are out of phase at a different angle as his experiment conditions change.

[definitionofis]

Correcting myself:

I said something about speed of motors, which is true for many motors, except for induction motors.

Their speed is related to the frequency of the power source.

[Brok3nC4rrot]

if he were to allow it to accelerate for long enough, i bet that the heat from air resistance would ruin the permanent magnets, thus destroying the machine...

[troyboy76127]

how exactly is this circuit working? i am not quite sure i understood how he introduces the back emf into the motor.

[fgleich]

I'm guessing that somehow the permanent magnets on his generator apparatus is contributing to the leakage flux in the induction motor stator ( through the air ), with the return path going through the flux path from the stator to the rotor, returning through the driveshaft to the magnets. Normally, on an induction motor, rotational velocity is determined by the frequency of the source and the number of poles, however, this could be affecting the slip of the rotor/stator, increasing the velocity.

[fgleich]

oh, and might I add to my post below, it sounds as if he has disconnected the starting winding on his motor ( you can start a motor with a bad starting winding by spinning the rotor, exactly like he is doing here ).

[overunitydotcom]

Come to:

overunity dot com

There it is all documented.

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

[Meddlmoe]

There it nothing odd to this. he has a motor and a generator. when the generator is turned on, then the motor wont be able to to drive as fast, as it would when the generator is turned off.

[GoodElf1]

Thane has created a low frequency magnetic resonant circuit using magnetic induction feedback. Pointing to the capacitor is half the story. Instead of presenting a resistive load to the grid it is presenting a capacitively and inductively balanced load that opposes the resistive load through an ingenious system of feedback. A combination of R, L and C to cancel most of the power drawn from the grid. Unfortunately "someone" is paying for this power at the unbalanced generating end of the grid.

[IlanBlue]

I may be mistaken, but it is exactly like an electric engine retarder as used for slowing heavy trucks without putting too much load on the brakes, only the circuit, or the use of the energy is just the oposite (***added*** to the engine/motor's output, not subtracted from it.

[msronlinemsr]

There is no perpetual motion claim here.

The motor turns *faster* under the *same* power input when he allows the Back EMF to enter the system.

The motor is running more efficiently, getting more RPM, but there is still power to the prime mover. There is re-introduction of the Back EMF into the system. But not enough to disconnect power. It is simply a slightly more efficient motor now.

[Jaspian]

It is a perpetual motion claim. The power input is driven by the motor, which is powered by the generator the drives the motor... dumbass.

[msronlinemsr]

Actually, no. Watch again. The power input is NOT driven by the motor. He NEVER claims that. He ONLY claims he can "accelerate" the motor. Then he compares the amount of power required *with Back EMF" vs. "without Back EMF" for the same RPMs. But the power required is from his external power source, just the amount changes.

[msronlinemsr]

Actually, no. Watch again. The power input is NOT driven by the motor. He NEVER claims that. He ONLY claims he can "accelerate" the motor. Then he compares the amount of power required *with Back EMF" vs. "without Back EMF" for the same RPMs. But the power required is from his external power source, just the amount changes.

[MTd2]

If that is true, why doenst he use that to power his house?

[virgojeep1]

I would love to see an example of this process being used on a motor that can drive a car. I think that would be really cool.

[noeatingallowed]

It'll make a useful drive for a vibrating dildoe.

[hempev]

Motor must have no starting torque - he has to spin it up by hand! No useful motor needs more than electricity to get going, this is why some motors have to use starting caps.

[ImWithStupidAkaDP]

so my bedini SG that is charging my cellphone battery right now, that i had to... GASP, start by hand, is not being useful?

are you saying that charging a battery is not useful?

[hempev]

No, I'm saying spinning up a motor by hand is not useful for anything you want to sell, not just experiment with. If you want to crank a motor to become a generator, go ahead, for a few hundred milliamps.

[Ruleryak]

Fair, but then you include some motor driven starter to get it going first, like how they included a battery driven starter in the auotmobile to replace the hand crank. Make sense? You have to see past the crude beginnings to what could be.

[hempev]

A car needs a motor to start an *engine*, so, you want to add a motor to start another motor...?

[desertphool]

"No useful motor needs more than electricity to get going"

this is clearly saying NO USEFUL MOTOR NEEDS MORE THAN ELECTRICITY TO GET GOING... THEREFORE if it has to be hand started  IT IS NOT USEFUL...

maybe english isn't your first language?

[hempev]

Just an example of how the desire for something more than is possible clouds one's concept of reality.

[desertphool]

so there is a "limit" to possibility? do go on please, this IS entertaining

[desertphool]

hand starting a motor does NOT make it non-useful... in fact its more efficient, you don't have to have a STARTER MOTOR and some way to power said starter motor, which requires MORE INPUT of energy

[desertphool]

like a lawnmower... you have to pull the cord to start it... OR INPUT MORE ENERGY by having a battery and a starter motor. it just depends on how LAZY a person is

[hempev]

No electric mower needs hand starting - you are confusing an engine with a motor

[desertphool]

confusing an engine with a motor LOL i think thats been an undefinable argument for quite some time...why are engines on boats called MOTORS? along with a whole host of other examples. stop being so pedantic, its simply a magneto action... look up a bedini SG or maybe build one and then tell me its not useful

[desertphool]

but since you love being pedantic, i will humor you...

"In Britain at least, one's personal transport is a motor car (with compounds such as motor trade, motor vehicle and motor sport), even though it's always powered by an engine. Small boats may have outboard motors and then are often called motor boats."

"However, the propulsion device of a rocket can be called either a rocket motor or a rocket engine, and usage here seems not to have settled on one or the other."

[desertphool]

and to restate YOUR original statement...

"No USEFUL MOTOR needs more than electricity to get going"

i added the emphasis for effect.

if you meant ELECTRIC MOTOR, then say ELECTRIC MOTOR.

[cyborgtroy]

He's hand-starting it so that you don't have to wait for it to spin up to maximum speed.

[beervolcano]

The magnets are slowing down the motor (that's plugged into an AC outlet btw) until he "shorts them out." After that, the motor revs up to its normal speed.

[nosaeRfOecioV]

The greatest invention in modern times, and he puts a video on youtube? Yeah, I'm buyin!

[pixelpump]

"Everything that can be invented has been invented."**

--Charles H. Duell, Commissioner, U.S. Office of Patents, 1899.

[dingusmungus]

@ pixelpump

Try telling that to companies applying for patents on nano tech and polymer batteries.

[pixelpump]

That was sort of my point. You know, irony.

[olmann1989]

Its not perpetual. But its extremely efficient. Which is what our world needs.

[acidbass808]

its perpetual, it depends on how you use it.

You can short the coil circuit, then accelerate the system, then turn them back on, to charge the batteries, and then when it slows down, short it again to speed it back up.

[taylorcp]

If someone says they've violated the law of conservation of energy, they either a) don't understand the law or b) don't understand their machine... that should be the law of perpetual motion machine claims. I can't believe this made it into the Star. Sad.