Mormonism and buddhism has very little in common, except the admonition to love and be good. Multiple heavens were in the early christian teachings also, you can read it from any study concerning the early christians. Becoming god is also early chriostian teaching and is also in the bible.
And, create our own world? Where is that written? Who made that up?
-Actually if you watch the video series by thebackyardprofessor, it's called the biblical context and is 21 videos long. there's all the evidence you need to know that doctrine I referred to is not made up, but is the most ancient israelite belief and was taken out of the bible aproximately on the 4 century b.c You don't havet watch that many of his videos to get the point.
"JOint heir means exactly an heir equal to the legal heir, I've read that definition before." I know what definition you believe. That does not make it true.
"...but no, we wont be bowed down by our bretheren..." You just lost the argument. You just admitted that the Christians in heaven will be different that the Lord Jesus. Christians will be like Him in many ways, but they will never sacrifice themselves for the sins of others or have a name that will cause all to bow when it's uttered.
You just admitted that the Christians in heaven will be different that the Lord Jesus.
-We will be bowed down by our own children who inhabit those planets we create for them, so in that way we will be like christ. We don't haveto sacrifice ourselfs because only one is neede for that calling, there will be only one christ to offer himself, and that christ will be chosen in the council before we create our planets for our children, simple actually.
I will never, never, never be equal to the Lord Jesus and no one else will be either. The Lord Jesus died for me, not me for Him. The Lord God has given the Lord Jesus a name above every other name. (Phi. 2:9) It is blasphemy to say that anyone will be the equal to the Lord Jesus.
jakedevon seems to miss the point that when we are forgiven, god doesn't remember our sins anymore, othervise he wouldn't have completely forgiven us.
So when we receive exaltation and become pure in christ, we have no sin in us, and we will receive all knowledge eventually in the eternities, and if we are pure without a spot, and have all kowlege and power and sit on God's throne ie. have his authority granted to us, we'll be like him. Church fathers aslo taught this.
You said that you will be given a name just as high as the Lord Jesus. The Bible says the Lord God has given the Lord Jesus a name above every other name and that every knee will bow to Him. (Phi. Ch 2) But you say that every knee will bow to you also.
"Oh, yes. You are very openly denying the Bible. "
It is you who deny the importance of the name of my Lord Jesus Christ. We take upon ourselves the name of Jesus Christ, and then you say that name is NOT good enough?
1 Corth. 5:4
"In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,"
I did not deny the importance of the name of the Lord Jesus. That is a an error or a lie on your part. I was pointing out the simple truth that you are saying (and you have not changed your stance) that your name will be as high as the name of the Lord Jesus. The Bible says otherwise. The Lord Jesus has a name above any name. (Phi 2:9)
Will you have such a name that, at the mention of it, every knee will bow? The Lord Jesus has such a name.
I just misunderstood. Thank you for correcting me. Have I misrepresented your position on anything else or is this the only one?
"because you will twist my answer..."
You can only answer yes or no or "Maybe". Are you afraid to let our readers know your opinion? (The readers already know. You have stated that your name will be equal to the name of the Lord Jesus. So, unless you state otherwise to the readers...)
JOint heir means exactly an heir equal to the legal heir, I've read that definition before. Why is it that the church fathers eem to think that christ came to be a human that we could become like he is. We will be sinnless in heaven and we will have alllthe knowledge and power that he has, but no, we wont be bowed down by our bretheren, but still we will be like he is. Our own childrenr glory will pass to our God. will revere us in the future then, and that reverence o
Jakedevon, christ is the only name that get's us toheaven because we can't be perfect while on mortality, but when we are sanctified and go to live in heaven, we can become like he is, but not during this life.
//Jakedevon, christ is the only name that get's us toheaven because we can't be perfect while on mortality...//
Christians will stop sinning when they get to heaven, but that will not erase history. The Lord Jesus saved me from my sins. Nobody ever saved the Lord Jesus because He has never sinned. Therefore, because of His unequaled deeds and kindnesses and worthiness, the Lord Jesus has a name above every other name.
Every knee will bow to the Lord Jesus and nobody else.
Yes, every knee bows down to christ and no one else, I haven't said anything else myself either. When we repent and God forgives, the history is forgotten by God, otherwise we wouldn't be cleansed, are you denying the healing power of Christ? how unchristian is that? So with grace of God we can be sinnless because of the atonement and when we are cleansed, we will become as he is, for we shall see him as he is. I gave enough scriptures to support this conclusion.
What have i said that you would ask if I am denying the healing power of Christ?
You just admitted that we will not have a name like the name of the Lord Jesus. Therefore, we can conclude that we are co-heirs but not equal heirs, since we agree that there are differences.
"...will revere us in the future..."
Who, exactly will revere the Christians in the future?
you just said that being forgiven of our sins won't make the history go away, and that is like denying the power of the atonement.
If you owe something to someone, and someone else pays your dept, can the deptos claim that well, you still used to owe me, so you still owe me, and that payed ransom wil not make you dept free after all. That's what you are in principle saying.
Our children to whom we create their own world, wil revere us while in their own mortality on a quest to be saved as we did
"...won't make the history go away, and that is like denying the power of the atonement."
Let me get this straight. You think that He will forgive our sins, that changes history so that there would be no sins to forgive us for? Is that not like denying that one never went to court, if one did not go to jail.
It is a good thing to remember the one that saved you and why he did it.
And, create our own world? Where is that written? Who made that up?
"Let me get this straight. You think that He will forgive our sins, that changes history so that there would be no sins to forgive us for? Is that not like denying that one never went to court, if one did not go to jail."
-No it's like going to court but being declared not quilty, because someone else paid the debpt, the history is meaningless, gone, because christ took it upon himself, he took our trasgressions to himself, so our history is taken away in him. How marvelous that sacrifice is.
As I said above, his name was made high to save us and he is highst during this life, but we'll become equal with him after this life, so it still doesn't deny the bible, but sees it in bigger context.
Jesus name is higher than ours because he is perfect and sinnles. we aren't. Our deification and perfection comes after this life, Christ is more exalted during this life. So, Iäm not denying the bible in that case.
mormonism is like buddhism.The different levels of heaven and following guidelines to become a god are similar
TheMastersservant 2 years ago
@TheMastersservant
Mormonism and buddhism has very little in common, except the admonition to love and be good. Multiple heavens were in the early christian teachings also, you can read it from any study concerning the early christians. Becoming god is also early chriostian teaching and is also in the bible.
Jarkko1983 1 year ago
And, create our own world? Where is that written? Who made that up?
-Actually if you watch the video series by thebackyardprofessor, it's called the biblical context and is 21 videos long. there's all the evidence you need to know that doctrine I referred to is not made up, but is the most ancient israelite belief and was taken out of the bible aproximately on the 4 century b.c You don't havet watch that many of his videos to get the point.
Jarkko1983 3 years ago
Or... you could just tell our readers where that is written and by whom.
jakedevon 3 years ago
"JOint heir means exactly an heir equal to the legal heir, I've read that definition before." I know what definition you believe. That does not make it true.
"...but no, we wont be bowed down by our bretheren..." You just lost the argument. You just admitted that the Christians in heaven will be different that the Lord Jesus. Christians will be like Him in many ways, but they will never sacrifice themselves for the sins of others or have a name that will cause all to bow when it's uttered.
jakedevon 3 years ago
You just admitted that the Christians in heaven will be different that the Lord Jesus.
-We will be bowed down by our own children who inhabit those planets we create for them, so in that way we will be like christ. We don't haveto sacrifice ourselfs because only one is neede for that calling, there will be only one christ to offer himself, and that christ will be chosen in the council before we create our planets for our children, simple actually.
Jarkko1983 3 years ago
the church fathers taught that God became a man, so that man could become a God, and that he did it for pure love towards us.
Jarkko1983 3 years ago
I will never, never, never be equal to the Lord Jesus and no one else will be either. The Lord Jesus died for me, not me for Him. The Lord God has given the Lord Jesus a name above every other name. (Phi. 2:9) It is blasphemy to say that anyone will be the equal to the Lord Jesus.
jakedevon 3 years ago
"I will never, never, never be equal to the Lord Jesus and no one else will be either."
Romans 8:17
"And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together."
omiolo 3 years ago
You think that you will be given a name that is just as high as the Lord Jesus.
I say that I will be glorified... but not like my Lord Jesus will be for what He has done.
At least you are denying the Bible openly and are not trying to say that you are the one that believes the Bible.
There never has been and there never will be anyone like my Savior. He is worthy of all praise!
jakedevon 3 years ago
"You think that you will be given a name that is just as high as the Lord Jesus."
Yes, we take upon ourselves the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. The only name under heaven by which salvation is granted.
"At least you are denying the Bible openly "
that could NOT be a bigger LIE!
omiolo 3 years ago
jakedevon seems to miss the point that when we are forgiven, god doesn't remember our sins anymore, othervise he wouldn't have completely forgiven us.
So when we receive exaltation and become pure in christ, we have no sin in us, and we will receive all knowledge eventually in the eternities, and if we are pure without a spot, and have all kowlege and power and sit on God's throne ie. have his authority granted to us, we'll be like him. Church fathers aslo taught this.
Jarkko1983 3 years ago
Jarkko, do you know for sure that you are going to be with Heavenly Father? What does one have to do to be with Him for eternity?
jakedevon 3 years ago 2
You said that you will be given a name just as high as the Lord Jesus. The Bible says the Lord God has given the Lord Jesus a name above every other name and that every knee will bow to Him. (Phi. Ch 2) But you say that every knee will bow to you also.
Oh, yes. You are very openly denying the Bible.
jakedevon 3 years ago 2
"Oh, yes. You are very openly denying the Bible. "
It is you who deny the importance of the name of my Lord Jesus Christ. We take upon ourselves the name of Jesus Christ, and then you say that name is NOT good enough?
1 Corth. 5:4
"In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,"
omiolo 3 years ago
I did not deny the importance of the name of the Lord Jesus. That is a an error or a lie on your part. I was pointing out the simple truth that you are saying (and you have not changed your stance) that your name will be as high as the name of the Lord Jesus. The Bible says otherwise. The Lord Jesus has a name above any name. (Phi 2:9)
Will you have such a name that, at the mention of it, every knee will bow? The Lord Jesus has such a name.
jakedevon 3 years ago
"I did not deny the importance of the name of the Lord Jesus."
Then why don't you think that it is the ONLY name that gets into heaven?
"The Lord Jesus has a name above any name. (Phi 2:9)"
and that is the name we must take upon ourselves!
:Will you have such a name that, at the mention of it, every knee will bow? The Lord Jesus has such a name"
Jesus Christ is the mediator!
omiolo 3 years ago
"Then why don't you think that it is the ONLY name that gets into heaven?"
By what stretch of logic would one think that the Lord Jesus is the only one to get to heaven? But, He is the only one that earned heaven.
Do you think that you will have such a name that every knee will bow to you when it is uttered? You really didn't answer that question.
jakedevon 3 years ago
"By what stretch of logic would one think that the Lord Jesus is the only one to get to heaven?"
I said it is the ONLY **NAME**, if you continue to twist and distort my comments we can not have a meaningful dialogue!!
"Do you think that you will have such a name that every knee will bow to you when it is uttered? You really didn't answer that question."
because you will twist my answer around like you have done with the others!!
omiolo 3 years ago
"I said it is the ONLY **NAME**..."
I just misunderstood. Thank you for correcting me. Have I misrepresented your position on anything else or is this the only one?
"because you will twist my answer..."
You can only answer yes or no or "Maybe". Are you afraid to let our readers know your opinion? (The readers already know. You have stated that your name will be equal to the name of the Lord Jesus. So, unless you state otherwise to the readers...)
jakedevon 3 years ago
We aren't equal to christ in this life, but will become joint heirs with him of his kingdom, and joint heir is equal heir if you didn't know.
Jarkko1983 3 years ago
//We aren't equal to christ in this life, but will become joint heirs with him of his kingdom, and joint heir is equal heir if you didn't know.//
Wrong. A joint heir just means that a particular heir will get something, not necessarily an equal share.
Do you think that you will have a name such that every knee will bow when your name is uttered?
jakedevon 3 years ago
JOint heir means exactly an heir equal to the legal heir, I've read that definition before. Why is it that the church fathers eem to think that christ came to be a human that we could become like he is. We will be sinnless in heaven and we will have alllthe knowledge and power that he has, but no, we wont be bowed down by our bretheren, but still we will be like he is. Our own childrenr glory will pass to our God. will revere us in the future then, and that reverence o
Jarkko1983 3 years ago
Jakedevon, christ is the only name that get's us toheaven because we can't be perfect while on mortality, but when we are sanctified and go to live in heaven, we can become like he is, but not during this life.
Jarkko1983 3 years ago
//Jakedevon, christ is the only name that get's us toheaven because we can't be perfect while on mortality...//
Christians will stop sinning when they get to heaven, but that will not erase history. The Lord Jesus saved me from my sins. Nobody ever saved the Lord Jesus because He has never sinned. Therefore, because of His unequaled deeds and kindnesses and worthiness, the Lord Jesus has a name above every other name.
Every knee will bow to the Lord Jesus and nobody else.
jakedevon 3 years ago
Yes, every knee bows down to christ and no one else, I haven't said anything else myself either. When we repent and God forgives, the history is forgotten by God, otherwise we wouldn't be cleansed, are you denying the healing power of Christ? how unchristian is that? So with grace of God we can be sinnless because of the atonement and when we are cleansed, we will become as he is, for we shall see him as he is. I gave enough scriptures to support this conclusion.
Jarkko1983 3 years ago
What have i said that you would ask if I am denying the healing power of Christ?
You just admitted that we will not have a name like the name of the Lord Jesus. Therefore, we can conclude that we are co-heirs but not equal heirs, since we agree that there are differences.
"...will revere us in the future..."
Who, exactly will revere the Christians in the future?
jakedevon 3 years ago
you just said that being forgiven of our sins won't make the history go away, and that is like denying the power of the atonement.
If you owe something to someone, and someone else pays your dept, can the deptos claim that well, you still used to owe me, so you still owe me, and that payed ransom wil not make you dept free after all. That's what you are in principle saying.
Our children to whom we create their own world, wil revere us while in their own mortality on a quest to be saved as we did
Jarkko1983 3 years ago
"...won't make the history go away, and that is like denying the power of the atonement."
Let me get this straight. You think that He will forgive our sins, that changes history so that there would be no sins to forgive us for? Is that not like denying that one never went to court, if one did not go to jail.
It is a good thing to remember the one that saved you and why he did it.
And, create our own world? Where is that written? Who made that up?
jakedevon 3 years ago
"Let me get this straight. You think that He will forgive our sins, that changes history so that there would be no sins to forgive us for? Is that not like denying that one never went to court, if one did not go to jail."
-No it's like going to court but being declared not quilty, because someone else paid the debpt, the history is meaningless, gone, because christ took it upon himself, he took our trasgressions to himself, so our history is taken away in him. How marvelous that sacrifice is.
Jarkko1983 3 years ago
So, then you agree with me, in that Christ to away our sin, but that does not change the past, just the future?
It seems that you want to say that I am wrong, but still agree with my point.
Please clarify.
jakedevon 3 years ago
As I said above, his name was made high to save us and he is highst during this life, but we'll become equal with him after this life, so it still doesn't deny the bible, but sees it in bigger context.
Jarkko1983 3 years ago
Jesus name is higher than ours because he is perfect and sinnles. we aren't. Our deification and perfection comes after this life, Christ is more exalted during this life. So, Iäm not denying the bible in that case.
Jarkko1983 3 years ago