The point Paul Ryan is making is 75% of the "Rich" Chris Mathews speaks of are small business owners who are taxed as individuals. These small businesses create jobs.
There are people who received a tax refund even though they earn no money. The more money businesses earn the more taxes that are paid. If companies do well they hire more .people. More people working more taxes are paid. Don't be fooled into thinking because people do well they must be taxed(punished)more and more!
Thanks to liberal policy the world economy is crashing. We must do two things to stop the meltdown NOW!!! Firstly, we need to raise all payroll taxes 10% for one year. We also need to stop (right now) wasteful handout programs like medicare, social security, unemployment,, etc. and lower the minimum wage to $2/hr so we can compete with China. I will work with Cantor, Ryan and my other republican colleagues and take immediate action on these proposals. God bless the GOP!
The biggest piece of our structural debt is the Bush tax cuts. Ryan is full of shit and in knee deep with big business. He will say ANYTHING to convince people taxes dont need to be raised on the wealthy. Notice how he always talks about "small business"
ITS A PLOY DUMBASS! He's trying to make you think he's really on the side of the middle class. He's not....and i pity you if you can't tell.
What a lie! The tax cuts took $1.35 trillion out of our tax coffers. This country was in super shape in 2000 with a paid down debt and taxes were higher. What kind of morons reduce taxes and start a $3 trillion+ war? They raised the debt ceiling 7 times and blamed it on someone else. Read Eisenhower's 1956 Address to the Union. He said no tax cuts. Ryan, you and your chronies are trying to destroy everything this great man worked for: unions, Medicare, decent standard of living for Americans
@86Gramms revenues rise and fall with economic growth. tax rates play a small part. for the past 60 years tax receipts as a % of gdp have always been been around 18% of gdp and thats been during various brackets. during bushs terms only during 03-04 were revenues low (16.2% avg). from 05-08 they were back around the normal moving averages. it wasnt til 09 when the economy really went sour did revenues fall off.
while we had surpluses toward the end of clinton, the debt was not paid down, ....
@86Gramms federal debt has not been paid down over a fiscal year since 1957. Much of his economy was also a low interest rate fueled bubble economy. People often forget the dotcom bubble and many of the housing regulations put in during his terms contributed to the housing bubble. that said, his economy was still preferable compared to bush's and obamas, that goes without saying.
SS and medicare need reform. reform doesnt mean throw grandma out in the street. in their 2010 financial report...
@86Gramms the board of trustees for SS and medicare have said that SSDI will be exhausted in 10 yrs, medicare will start running deficits in a few years and be exhausted near 2030. SS retirement will be exhausted near 2040. reforms have to be done now so drastic measures arent needed later
I agree with you about the wars, we should stop them all immediately. I would disagree with you about unions being the great benefit they are portrayed as, especially as they are operate today
@rororhythm So glad you want to die. Just what exactly has Obama done, that has been so awful? He kept all the tax cuts and the Federal Government has been stepping up where the private sector has been stepping down. Problem with the stimulus is that most of it went to Wall Street.
Blowhard Matthews just trying to get a class warfare line he can point to and say " Look, Ryan and the GOP want to take grannys ssi and make her eat dog food...
What a hack, Follow the Olberdork, Chris. Paul Ryan for prez when he gets through with the reforms.
@tbwil11 You want Class warfare? Well fine, you've got it already, it is being waged by the rich against the working families of this country and the middle class. GE and other big corporations pay less, percentage wise, in Federal, State and Municipal taxes than a man on $14,500 a year. Despite veritable rivers of tax cuts and loopholes, they only accelerate the pace of moving jobs abroad and at the end of it they aren't even all that competitive.
@Meade556 No Meade, youve thrown in three different subjects with your post. Do you want to discuss class warfare, corporate tax loopholes, rising competition for manufacturing jobs in foreign countries, or income taxes. What role do you see the federal govt playing in your perceived "war against the working and middle class"?
@tbwil11 The other three topics are all part of class warfare. The Federal Government, at least professional civil servants, are the unwilling running dogs of the MOTUs. Like the FDA being held back by industry being allowed to intrude into its operations. The EPA being defunded. The FBI being told to not look any further into Mortgage fraud being perpetrated by mortgage originators. The fact that SocSec pays for itself. The Treasury doesn't hand out money to it.
@Meade556 explain MOTU's, how is the fda being held back, when's the last time you fell ill from something you ate? EPA should be defunded or seriously scaled back. We are at a point where further regulation should be determined on a case by case basis with a less powerful entity. Who directed the FBI to stop looking into mort fraud and who were they investigating? and lastly, SSI as we know it is shit. If I had been able to invest the 15% or so that was confiscated from me, Id be retired now
@Meade556 I see what comes out of my check and I know what employers pay. SSI is a pay as you go system that will be broke. Personal retirement accounts are a much better plan.
@tbwil11 Social Security won't be broke for another 25 years and even then it will be able to service 78% of its obligations if no change is made. What private sector scheme can say that? None. And as for your 401k those are in the hands of a bunch of compulsive gamblers, so kiss your money goodbye, that 401k you worked your whole life for, will make up the salary of just one banker for one year of work.
@Meade556 Have you been listening to the news lately? My 401 has done far better than a what I hope to get from SSI even through the troughs and its MINE and its FAIR because personal accountability was the catylist behind the contributions. Think of the possibilities if I could have contributed even more thru the years. SSI age for me has ALREADY gone to 67, it will go up again for sure. Personal retirement accounts are superior in every way as evidenced by the many nations switching.
Nobody said the tax cuts prevented the recession - but they certainly didn't CAUSE it. The root cause of the housing market collapse was the Federal Reserve artificially setting interest rates at record lows. This fueled a huge construction boom during which a lot of people made money based on false price signals; it was a rigged market.
Then when the bubble burst we realize that building production far exceeded the actual market demand. Central planning doesn't work, ask the Russians.
@bobshenix That is BS. Bankers whining "The material that allows my business to exist was too cheap" this is like a steel maker saying that "The price of Iron ore was too low so my business failed." The Fed setting interest rates low was a good idea, the problem was not the Fed, the problem was that Banks and Mortgage orginators forced high interest rates on those who could least afford it and since there were a lot of these, surprise, surprise they failed all at once.
Right... i guess you're among those screaming that we need more government involvement, like Washington and the well-connected banking cartels aren't already manipulating the economy.
You really believe that all those phony sub-prime dollars would have been made in a true free-market economy?? That government mandates didn't help inflate the housing bubble and enable Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac to commit suicide... as if Federal guarantees to back the loans didn't ENCOURAGE risky lending practices?
@bobshenix You bet they would have been. Fannie and Freddie took on most of their risk after they were privatized. Regulators were heavily discouraged or did not enforce at all and besides the free market is geared to money, more, now, so all those loans would have been made as it allowed mortgage originators and Investment bankers to maximize fees and report it as a profit. The problem is that Washington, as in the Bureaucracy has not really had a say in how the money is spent. See the New Deal
@Meade556 Masters of the Universe. I have gotten sick from mercury poisoning and once from e-coli, because industry pollutes willy nilly. FDA and EPA inspectors have been cut back on leaving us vulnerable and I have never seen a single case where regulation or powerful regulatory agencies have ever harmed the economy. The FBI was investigating people like countrywide the Bush White House and Industry lobbyists told them to back off, you just don't like Social Security because it is working.
Your willingness to ignore the impact that gov't intervention, that the safety net of Federal guarantees had on fueling the sub-prime crisis is puzzling. So you really think the promise of a taxpayer bailout -- which of course came to fruition and rewarded the same cronies that gambled us into trouble -- had NO effect on the extent of risky business practices?? How naive!
The predatory fat cats who profited off sub-prime lending should have paid the price, not the struggling American taxpayer.
@bobshenix I am not saying the subprime loans were a good idea at all however it is worth bearing in mind that subprime loans written by the Government were ones, which in the recent crisis, tended to hold up more with only 14% of them failing vs 22% of the loans written by the private sector. This is because the Government did not expect to make a profit from these and instead wrote the mortgages with a mind to not squeezing the homeowner.
@bobshenix What really attracted these people was not the non-existent guarantee of a bailout, but the fact that subprime loans, if your thinking is very short term, which theirs was, are riskier and you can charge higher interest, in theory getting more money, but this was based on the theory that money was endless and ignoring the fact that most Americans saw their incomes decline or stagnate between 2001-2007.
There WERE gov't guaranteed safety nets for giants like Fannie and Freddie... do some homework. In any case, look how the financial collapse played out; when all was said and done the most reckless were bailed out with taxpayers' money!
Given the current state of politics in Washington and the prevalence of the entrenched establishment, it's not much of a stretch to presume that backdoor deals and private conversations amongst major power players were going on while the bubble was inflating.
@bobshenix Safety nets when they were public but they took on a lot more toxic products after they were privatized. When public subprime loans made up a small part of their balance sheet. Besides you want to blame people blame Alan Greenspan, the Republicans and a good deal of the Democrats too. We did not have these problems between 1933-1981, periods of high regulation and high taxation.
Regardless of details when and how the 'safety nets' were made official, the technicalities are now irrelevant. The whole debacle went down exactly how guys like Peter Schiff and Ron Paul -- who both predicted this crisis YEARS beforehand -- said it would. Paul himself had warned multiple times on the House floor that an eventual bailout was "inevitable".
Bottom line-- the safety net WAS there and it WAS abused to the fullest. The moral hazard of bailout economics can scarcely be overstated.
@bobshenix A lot of left wingers predicted it would happen. Like Joseph Stiglitz and Paul Krugman, two STATIST minded people. They were right about regulation. And the techicalities are relevant. The Street is trying to shift blame to Washington, when Washington is not at fault because it did not write most of the mortgages, it withdrew the safety net and these idiots were not counting on any safety net, but property prices to continue rising.
They're both at fault [Wall St & Washgtn] and rest assured the crooks on all fronts got taken care of in the end, in one way or another. I agree that the government legislation needs to make the private sector work for the people, but you underestimate the role government played in precipitating this mess and in rewarding bad business behavior.
Why not let the failed banks fail and make some room for the more honest bankers who didn't overreach... why is it always about propping the system up??
@bobshenix 1: When you say Washington I know what you mean and I resent it. To me Washington is not the talking heads in Congress, the President and the media like that hypocrite Charles Krauthammer, it is a city of ordinary people, like Federal bureaucrats. Who are not overpaid or overcompensated, who work hard and do a lot with a little. By and large POLITICALS mess things up when they tell professionals "Don't regulate and if you do you will lose your job."
@bobshenix Washington always has been more affluent than the average, but the ridiculousness of what is happening, started with the extensive influx of wingers and contractors under Reagan, slowed under Clinton and accelerated under Bush. FBI, DoL, DoE bureaucrats don't buy those big homes. Private people leaching off IRS funds do that.
@bobshenix I forget who coined the phrase but there are two cities. Washington and Versailles sur Potomac. Versailles is what most people mean when they say Washington. Washington, not Versailles, has real people with real problems like anywhere else. People who wanted to stop what was going on were sidelined or fired. The people in charge were people who detested the mission of Agencies they ran. Like the people at the SEC.
@bobshenix Second there needed to be a bailout so people did not lose their money and I mean ordinary people. But the Fed really has been a villain in all this under Greenspan and Bernanke. The Fed is not representative of the Federal bureaucracy. The Fed has more power than the CIA and more so than CIA, FBI, DoD, sees itself as above the system, it really was catering to its cronies.
@bobshenix If the Federal Reserve was in fact not made up of the people who are the ones being "regulated" and were run as a Federal Agency, with no private interests being able to make decisions, what should have happened is the bailed out institutions should all have had to go onto the General Schedule as they were being bailed out, second they should have restructured their debt in acknowledgement of the fact that the paper they held had depreciated.
@bobshenix Then a group of pro-regulation bureaucrats should have come in, had complete unfettered access to the books and papers, found instances of wrong doing, pressed charges against or fired the individuals responsible. Believe me, have to take a compensation/pay cut from $600,000 (average Goldman Sachs compensation) to the AT ABSOLUTE MOST $123,000 of the Government with CEOs earning only $200,000, for them, would have been a severe chastening.
@bobshenix Bailing out the banks was not a bad idea in itself, The way it was done was. But note, the very Republicans who complain about overspending and the non-existent overregulation were people like Mr. Ryan who was all for TARP as a free handout without any strings attached, it is only when the idea that Government was going to look after other people that he got agitated. Whereas leftists like Bernie Sanders and Kucinich were in the forefront against TARP from beginning to end.
once again chris matthews proves how big of a partisan fool he is, he refuses to let go of his left wing talking points even when hes proven to be wrong.
@rororhythm Having this Ayn Rand worshiping economic illiterate run for president is the best thing Obama could hope for. His Roadmap to serfdom might make him loose his reelection next year.
The Americans DO NOT have the best healthcare system in the world. DO NOT. Bill Clinton has said it as well as most of the world. It is not free market it's like a sort of hybrid which doesn't match the European style which is much better which covers everybody, nor is it purely free market as you guys spend 19% of revenue on healthcare, more then the UK which spends 9%, pick one, either is better then what you have now
Everyone in Washington knows that Paul Ryan has been told he has a million dollar a year lobbying job for the health industry if he gets his health care law passed.
Here's how it works-he lies through his teeth to get it passed-the healthcare insurance industry makes billions more from vouchers while still denying it's customers health care.
Meanwhile this nigger gets a cushy one million dollar a year job as a lobbyist. Way to sell out your own people Ryan!
The one good thing about Ryan's budget proposal is that it will put a lot of right wingers out of thier jobs and homes. They'll have to move in with the kids who won't have jobs either. Many will die from lack of proper affordable health care. I'm all for that.
The one good thing about Ryan's budget proposal is that it will put a lot of right wingers out of thier jobs and homes. They'll have to move in with the kids who won't have jobs either. Many will die from lack of proper affardable health care. I'm all for that.
Why don't you upload your town hall meetings where you get booed because they don't buy your SATANIC ECONOMICS?
They know your SATANIC ECONOMICS would allow large companies like GE to pay ZERO FEDERAL TAXES as they did in 2010, and put the burden on the working class.
They know your SATANIC ECONOMICS slash American workers' rights and make it MUCH EASIER for companies to send American jobs oversees to India and China.
Ryan wants to give MORE tax breaks to the rich so they can build more factories overseas. This is a continuation of the Bush years where 8 million jobs were
outsourced. If this nigger has his way none of us will have jobs, health care, or social security! America deserves better!
NOBODY believes you Paul Ryan. If the tax cuts for the rich created jobs, then during the Bush years (when the tax cuts were put in place) then where were all the jobs then and now?
Ryan and the GOP believe in choices!! That's right-if they have their way senior citizens will have to make lots of choices - one choice they'll have to make will be between health care and food! SUCKERS!!!
I pray to God that the republicans have their way. It will give me great pleasure to see all you inbred right wingers lose your jobs, homes, pensions and social security!
The GOP will privatize everything and that means you'll lose it- all of it! And that goes for your inbred kids too! Just PLEASE, PLEASE thinks of me and how happy I'll be when it happens! SUCKERS!
Defense spending more than every nation on the planet Earth combined. Wasteful defense spending and we continue to make weapons that are obsolete. Why not go after that Mr. Ryan? Why not stop the B.S. Bush tax cuts for the richest 1%?
No lets take away from old people are rape medicaid and medicare instead. What a piece of HUMAN GARBAGE.
Let's make this abundantly clear ! The top 3 % of the people of in the country pay 60 % of the taxes. What part of that do class warfare proponents not understand ?!!! Also, and Paul Ryan articulated this in this interview. People making over $250 K a year are not wealthy, especially if they aren't filing their taxes as corporations. But guys like Chris Matthews and other liberals don't care and will keep making the class warfare arguments. And Chris, try telling the truth !
Ryan and the GOP believe in choices!! That's right-if they have their way senior citizens will have to make lots of choices - one choice they'll have to make will be between health care and food! SUCKERS!!!
GE pays $0 in taxes, say what you want about corperate taxn rates, doesn't matter they get out of paying anything. Social Security and Medicare is payed insurance not an entitlement. Jobs go overseas because labor cost is penny's not dollars. Paul Ryan is a pencil neck corperate lobyist posing as a representative of government.
During Clinton years, the tax was very high and our economic was doing well. However, ever since we pass the Bush cuts, banks who do whatever they want, low tax on rich or corporation. Our deficit gone over 10 trillion.
Money is cold and hard. I would like to see people addressing it as such. Real people suffer from every decision that is made concerning money in this forum. I would like to see a public image projecting the seriousness associated with this issue. My interpretation of the public image of the persons interviewed herein does not correspond to what I view as serious. P.S. Don't laugh about the destruction of my future.
@regelemihai Higher taxes on the richest 2% does zero harm to the economy, it actually helps it. This has been proven over and over. I'm libertarian but the evidence is clear. It's downright asinine to lower taxes on the rich when there's an enormous deficit. It will never be made up if you don't raise taxes on the rich. The Republican party has been entirely taken over by corporate interests. They trick the public into voting for them and then screw them out of their rights to benefit the rich.
If you confiscate ALL of the rich's income it wouldn't put a minuscule dent on the gargantuan debt we have. To attack the rich is nothing more but an old social/class warfare vendetta. It's far from demonstrated that across the board tax cuts harm the economy--the evidence is to the contrary.
The enormous deficit is caused in large part by entitlments and government spending.
And yes, it does harm the economy when those richies create jobs.
Not to mention they already bear more than 80% of the national tax burden. Thjose at the bottom 505 pay nothing. I dunno how much more progressive some ppl want it to be.
If you're a libertarian, I can't understand why you'd disagree with me.
@regelemihai The idea that billionaires take the extra 3% income they saved from a tax cut and make jobs is absolutely ludicrous. It goes in a bank... probably not even an American bank. If it creates jobs it probably creates them somewhere else. I'm not in favour of confiscating all the rich's money, that's absurd. But cutting their taxes does zero for the economy and baloons the deficit. The 3% tax cut Barack "Bush 2.0" Obama gave to the rich is bigger than all the cuts being proposed now.
As I said, what baloons the debt is government spending and social programs like Medicare and SS. Medicare has 30 T of unfunded liabilities alone. Taxing the rich who are already overly taxed won't solve anything. They outsource those jobs you're talking about because the corporate tax rate is one of the highest in the world!
@regelemihai If you're serious about solving the deficit, you HAVE to raise taxes. Cuts need to happen, yes, but not to home heating for the poor, planned parenthood, NPR and shit like that which combined is like 0.0001% of the budget. And you can't cut social security because people paid into it and if you cut it you are stealing their money. Cut the military industrial complex, cut all subsidies to private industry, eliminate dept of homland security, and raise taxes on rich fatcats! Done!
We at leats agree that subsedies do have to be cut to the big companies that are in bed with Washington. Crony capitalism is what creates these imbalances. But raising taxes doesn't solve anything, it hurts the economy. People will stop investing; they will move out either from the state or from the country, and wealth will not be created. It will only hurt the economy.
@regelemihai Bill Gates does not notice if he has a few million dollars less each year. It makes no difference. And it makes a world of difference to a lot of people who need help.
You're talking about theory as if its fact. It's a fine theory that the rich will use that money to create jobs and invest in the economy, except it turns out that they don't. They just basically have piles of cash in a giant vault like in Richie Rich (not really, but it's just like that)
"Bill Gates does not notice if he has a few million dollars less each year. It makes no difference. And it makes a world of difference to a lot of people who need help."
No it most certainly does not! We already have a broken system where welfare programs are bankrupting the nartion, the last thing we need is more taxpaer dollars to be funnelled into these programs. They're the reason we're bankrupt. Not to mention that, as I said, even if you confiscated ALL of Bill Gates wealth....
...you wouldn't put even the slghtest dent on the debt. We're talking trillions upon trillions here.
I beg to differ sir. The rich employ people, and they invest; not to mention that less you tax them, they increase the wealth meaning you increase the tax base--you collect more in taxes than before.
I agree that the rich should pay more in taxes than anyone else because they can afford it, but to say that they should be heavily taxed is taking it too far IMO.
@regelemihai "High taxes stifle economic growth; it's that simple."
If that were really true how do you explain the 90s? Or how about the 50s and 60s, when the top marginal rates were between 70 and 90% and times were booming? Even Bush Sr. knew that you have to raise revenues to battle the budget (even though it cost him his re-election).
Of course there's more to encouraging investment and growth. Raise marginal rates, give breaks on REAL investment & hiring. Close unproductive tax loopholes.
I'm with you 100% about loopholes. We pay billions eagc year just to comply with the overly twisted and complicated tax code.
The 50's and 60s were a different case study. We were producing back then and the US had very little competition from foreign countries who were battered and ruined after WW2. Today we're not producing; we're spending and consuming.
In addition, remember that while the top marginal tax rates were higher there were more tax deductions. In the 80s...
Note how Chris Matthews asks overall soft ball questions to Crowley (typically yes or no questions) and asks Ryan why he can't do things (note: republicans are in the minority at this time - democrats are in control but didn't complete a budget). Crowley never answers about cutting entitlement spending which is the main driver in the deficit/debt - again, note that Chris doesn't care to really hear anything from Crowley, just to keep on Ryan with slanted negative.assumptions.
@eu000000000 No, stupid liberals (like Chris Matthews) get owned when they talk to Paul Ryan. Liberals who know what they're talking about would have a good and stimulating debate with Congressman Ryan and probably would own him.
@CircusofPython WRONG Ezra Klien Barbecued Paul Ryan in when they debated over his bullshit "Roadmap" over the fact that he would almost cut revenue in half to balance the budget as he said he would. Not only did Paul Ryan flunk math but he is posing as an economist.
The discredited goon is Klein, who is not only an amateur blogger, but incompetent overall. A cocky drone who graduated with a B.A in PS who believes that the constitution is not "legally binding;" Umm, yeah--he's the one who should doll out advice. Paul Ryan didn't flunk math when he graduated witha degree in economics, a thing this moron knows very little about.
I know many progressives do consider fiscal responsability as "bullshit," that's not new.
MAX TAX RATE - 1945 - 95% 1944 - 94% 1952 - 92% 1953 - 92% 1951 - 91% 1955 - 91% 1957 - 91% 1958 - 91% 1959 - 91% 1960 - 91% 1961 - 91% 1962 - 91% 1963 - 91% Understand this rate only applied to income that exceeded what around 95% of Americans were making. The ,MAX TAX RATE meeds tp be raised now TO BALANCE THE BUDGET.
Ryan, Boner, and the rest of the GOP want to take your childrens retirement (social security) and give it to the the bankers on Wall Street. These niggers suck
the bankers cocks and swallow! America deserves better!
Chris Matthews got owned. He's such a piece of work. And I love how libtards always demogouge privatizing Social Security...Like the return on the money we invest in a failed government program garners such a great return on your investment...What is it? Like a fraction of 1 percent return on your investment? I always dread getting that piece of mail from Social Security that tells me after a lifetime of work, I'm going to get a whopping $900 a month. Geez...
So now it's irresponsible to cut taxes? If that's the case, it must be magnificently irresponsible to enact a $750 billion dollar stimulus package of which most people could have told you was not going to work, or to continue the wars of which you besmirch while on the other hand continuing to complain that the wars have contributed to the deficits. I don't know about you, but I would much rather have 5% unemployment with tax cuts to the top 2% than 10% unemployment while gouging the wealthy.
Paul Ryan has it right. Democrats have it wrong. In the Great Recession, Americans found out Madoff's ponzi scheme didn't work, why continue to have 3 major ponzi schemes-Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid that steal from the younger generation and give to the older generation? Democrats need to stop defending these failing government programs and be more tolerant and accept different alternatives that work.
I always find it funny how rich liberals whine and complain about the tax cuts.
Obama, Bill Gates, Olbermann etc could still pay under the old rates if they wanted to. The IRS website even allows individuals to donate extra cash to the government.
Of course, liberals are never interested in individual principle or virtue, they'd rather make it mandatory.
Why these libs who rage over Bush tax cuts to the rich always forget that it is only $70 billion dollars a year, so even when you don't take into consideration the damage for economy that stopping them would do, it really isn't going to help seriously with the dept and decifit problems.
I hope all you unemployed, and soon to be unemployed inbred right wingers remember not one republican voted to extend unemployment comp!
AND, the very first thing they will do if they get the majority is to cut taxes for the wealthy elite. This is where thier hearts are at. How's that trickle down economics working for you?
AND, Ryan, Boner and the rest of that nigger clan want to privatize social security! If that happens you can kiss your retiremant goodbye! SUCKERS!
@Vetwolf13 i would love to privatize social security, cut unemployment comp and cut taxes for the wealthy. rich people do a lot more for people then the blood suckers waiting around for a hand out
and don't use the n-word, you silly socialist racist
@Vetwolf13 Liberals sent 7 million jobs overseas in only 2 years with their lack of direction, and hatred of businesses with high corporate taxes. Why do you not understand capitalism?
@Vetwolf13 Your language is detestable and despicable. You are not only moronic and foolish, but outright disgusting. Of course you support Democrats / Marxists - no surprise there.
@MsZeitgeist85 Sounds as if you are an economic illiterate as Paul Krugman has not been an economist for a long time (he is merely an ideologue and spokesperson for "progressives").
@landofthebroke Krugman predicted the bank meltdown back in 2003 when Paul Ryan and the Milton Freedman Flat Earthers were still crowing about the "Bush Boom"
Debunking Paul Ryan's Roadmap is very easy. He wants to turn Meidcare into a 11k vaucher program to buy private insurance(not employer provided). Ok try having a 65 year old in average health try to buy private insurance on the current drug plan. I Guarantee you it will cost ALOT more than 11k.
@MsZeitgeist85 So sorry but you clearly have no clue what you are talking about as Krugman endorsed and encouraged (in the nytimes on August 2, 2002) a synthetic "housing bubble": For proof, google the following terms: nydivide bubble economy paul krugman .......
Currently 11k would not be enough for healthcare but once again you have only been "educated" in Marxism and have not yet read Hayek, Mises, or Hazlitt, as a true free market can drastically reduce healthcare costs. Try again.
@landofthebroke 1. I was talking about the bank meltdown which was caused by Phil Gramm. 2 The NYT article you mention does not address the cause. 83% of the Toxic Assets were from private non-bank lenders NOT Fannie and Freddie.
2. Your Free Market Health Care Failed. Paul Ryan voted for Medicare Part D that caused drugs to be so expensive drug companys rob Medicare. Paul Ryan helped wreck Medicare so he would have an excuse to privatize it.
@MsZeitgeist85 1. I was also referring to the meltdown that Krugman encouraged and the likes of Barney Frank and Chris Dodd were most to blame...Phil Gramm caused the whole entire meltdown? How insightful. Try reading Thomas Sowell's "Housing Boom and Bust". Then read Sowell's "Basic Economics" for your own sake. 2. 83%? Please enlighten us with a source as Fannie and Freddie are completely bankrupt to this day and will end up costing more than every other bailout combined.
@MsZeitgeist85 How has the "free market" in health care failed?? There NEVER was a "free market in health care to begin with. Medicare part D gives seniors a CHOICE to their health care and marxists like yourself want to revoke the ability for them to choose. The ability to CHOOSE is freedom. A government bureaucrat making choices for you is tyranny. CHOICE lowers costs by fostering competition. I cannot even believe I am debating this with someone.
@landofthebroke The fact that Paul Ryan would not go on Meet the Press to debate Krugmann speaks volume. He knows that his bullshit Roadmap was exposed as a fraud and he knows that Krugmann would barbeque him in a debate.
Paul Ryan wrote and voted part of Medicare Part D. Paul Ryan lecturing people on fiscal dicipline is like Andy Dick lecturing people on sobriety.
@MsZeitgeist85 Great response, even if it did take you 3 months. Krugman is a joke, & you touting his ideology "speaks volumes". Have you ever even heard of the Chicago School of Econ, or even better - the Austrian School of Econ? Doubtful, as you are a moronic Keynesian approaching Marxism. Technically, Paul Ryan would not be my 1st pick lecture on fiscal disciple - Ron Paul would be. The pig know as WassermanSchultz would be my 1st pick shut her filthy disgusting foul mouth. 2nd would be you.
@landofthebroke Yes I have heard of the Austrians and they are discredited. Peter Schiff is not even an economist and Milton Friedman's Chicago school of economic Nazis have no credibility on this matter. Look what they did in the UK and Chile. Look at what happened when Friedman was predicting hyperinflation during the time of the BAM crisis of 1982. It didn't happen and Friedman was so embarresed that he stoped speaking in public.
@MsZeitgeist85 The Austrians discredited? And the Keynesians have been validated?... hysterical. Forget Peter Schiff you clown; go read some F.A. Hayek and Ludwig von Mises. But first you should read some Thomas Sowell... then keep reading until you get a clue. "embarresed that he stoped speaking in public." - perhaps you should be embarrassed that you can't spell and stop speaking/writing in public. Or you can keep spewing your gibberish and keep making a fool of yourself...
@MsZeitgeist85 your comments are hysterical. you are a delusional drone. I won't even try to argue with your ignorance. Read Thomas Sowell's Basic Economics from front to cover and then MAYBE I will try to debate you..... but if you read it then you would no longer be ignorant and would see that the left and the RINO's are destroying this country.
@landofthebroke Sowel is a laugh. This is the guy that says that the USA had no colonies and that there are 800K people in Canada on a 2 year wait list for health care.
I read Thomas Sowell's claims about health care in Canada and I stopped reading after the 7th page because he got so many easy to check facts wrong. Sowell is full of more shit than a factory farm.
@MsZeitgeist85 You have read him and yet you are still unable to spell his name correctly? Your writing suggests that you are a 12 year old child that knows nothing except what they have heard from Bill Maher. And, as always, being from the left you resort to foul language due to lack of content; lack of facts; lack of ideas; and the list goes on and on.....you should move to Canada if you believe life is so much better there. Good luck to you my ignorant, naive, and brainwashed friend.
@landofthebroke Not one single OECD developed nation uses the health care model that Paul Ryan and Sowell advocate. Canada's system works ours doesn't
@MsZeitgeist85 WOW! The OECD! Big words/acronyms for a twelve year old. Good for you! One question: WHY DOES EVERYONE COME TO AMERICA WHEN THEY HAVE A SERIOUS MEDICAL ISSUE? HAVE YOU EVER, EVER CONSIDERED GOING TO ANOTHER COUNTRY FOR A MEDICAL ISSUE? IF SO; THEN LEAVE, AND DO'N'T COME BACK. Good riddance. We have the best medical care in the history of the world. We also have the best military in the history of the world. If you don't like it, then LEAVE. Goodbye.
@landofthebroke Why does everyone come here for care? Well they don't
I have heard this drivel about the PM of Italy and a leader from Yemen comming here for surgury and it proves nothing. A report from the Ontario Ministry of Health showed that from Aug 92 to Feb 93 there were over 60 thousand medical claims were made on behalf of American Citizens in Canada.
I guess I will trade 2 rich politicians for 60K average Americans. Nice health care system dipshit.
@MsZeitgeist85 Ah, yes lets socialize the medical system and essentially cap how much doctors will earn; essentially making our best and brightest go into other fields such as law...yes, we need more lawyers. You are so misinformed and/or uninformed that it is staggering. You must rely on foul language and this is a waste of time.
@landofthebroke And you still miss the point. We have the best medical care in the world but we have the worst health insurance in the world. Thats the point.
And about the Military. Whats that....... Ohh another goverment run program. I guess if we had a health care system like the NHS in Britian that was run by the goverment we would have a health care system as good as our military.
But you Tea Tards don't want that because that's Socialsim.
@MsZeitgeist85 The reason why we have the best health care in the world is because it is still somewhat market based...ya know, markets...people buying and selling as THEY SEE FIT. The reason WHY it is so expensive is because of government involvement (arbitrary regulations, price controls, and foolishly created legislation). The government always makes things less efficient and NEVER makes them cheaper. With a true FREE MARKET system the quality goes up and cost goes down.
@landofthebroke 1. Most new pattens and medical discoverys are funded by the National Institute of Health (your tas dollars) not the private sector. 2. Your so called Free Market doesn't exist in any other country because it doesn't work and never will.
I asked you over and over to name a single country that uses for profit health insurance and you still can't
Tens of thousands die every year in the USA because HMOs would rather make a profit than cover people.
@MsZeitgeist85 Switzerland, Germany and the Netherlands are three countries that uses for profit health insurance. Could you provide some proof that most patents and medical discoveries aare the product of the National Institute of Health?
The Republican, unsurprisingly, is lying. After tax loopholes & tax havens, US has one of the lowest corporate tax intake in the world. Some of the biggest corporations pay very little taxes at all. That is the problem. The tax loopholes & tax havens help big businesses, but small businesses can't take advantage of tactics. So, small businesses end up paying high taxes to make up for big businesses that take advantage of the system. And yet it's small businesses that create most new jobs.
@DillonDee1 Trickle down economics is a tax cut strategy that allows people with money to invest more into their business. The more a business expands the more the business owner must hire to keep that business running at that size. A company with just over 50 employees is not a good example of why supply side economics is enacted. Its for bigger companies that hire many people.
@ltkhokie1 Most new jobs are created by small businesses and not big businesses. Also, I suspect that most entrepreneurial new business owners come from the middle class and not the upper class. There is no evidence that giving the richest top percent more money leads them to invest in new job creation. I doubt most rich people invest their own personal money back into a business. Trickle down is a theory based in ideological rhetoric rather than in facts.
@DillonDee1 Well now that you no longer operate this company you have time to read and educate yourself. Try reading Thomas Sowell's "Basic Economics". Or google the following: trickle up labor thomas sowell sowell020599 ......this article by Sowell will inform you and also hopefully help motivate you to buy his book on BASIC economics. Good luck.
The very first thing Boner, Ryan and the rest of the right wing clan will do if they get the majority will be to CUT TAXES FOR THE WEALTHY! Just like Bush did. How's that trickle down economics working for you? Suckers
The very first thing Boner, Ryan and the rest of the right wing clan will do if they get the majority will be to CUT TAXES FOR THE WEALTHY! Just like Bush did. How's that trickle down economics working for you? Suckers!
The point Paul Ryan is making is 75% of the "Rich" Chris Mathews speaks of are small business owners who are taxed as individuals. These small businesses create jobs.
There are people who received a tax refund even though they earn no money. The more money businesses earn the more taxes that are paid. If companies do well they hire more .people. More people working more taxes are paid. Don't be fooled into thinking because people do well they must be taxed(punished)more and more!
Mutlap 1 month ago
75% of rich are small business owners and are taxed as individuals at 6:39.
Job creators.
Mutlap 1 month ago
@Mutlap -- i lived in Texas towns where we have many small business owners - barber shop, jewelry store, cafe etc
And then you have medium sized business owners
And large business owners
How would you divide them based on net annual ncome?
DillonDee1 1 month ago
PAUL RYAN'S PLAN IS TO SCREW OVER THE MIDDLE & LOWER CLASSES
DillonDee1 1 month ago
@DillonDee1 Explain disposable income and job creation. You talk and you have no clue in reality.
Mutlap 1 month ago
@DillonDee1 Explain how!
Mutlap 1 month ago
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Thanks to liberal policy the world economy is crashing. We must do two things to stop the meltdown NOW!!! Firstly, we need to raise all payroll taxes 10% for one year. We also need to stop (right now) wasteful handout programs like medicare, social security, unemployment,, etc. and lower the minimum wage to $2/hr so we can compete with China. I will work with Cantor, Ryan and my other republican colleagues and take immediate action on these proposals. God bless the GOP!
unclelight 4 months ago
Paul Ryan just ate Chris Matthews' lunch
AnRam013 5 months ago
@AnRam013 ..... As it came out his pimply ahole.
glazierEd 2 months ago
The biggest piece of our structural debt is the Bush tax cuts. Ryan is full of shit and in knee deep with big business. He will say ANYTHING to convince people taxes dont need to be raised on the wealthy. Notice how he always talks about "small business"
ITS A PLOY DUMBASS! He's trying to make you think he's really on the side of the middle class. He's not....and i pity you if you can't tell.
moreoreos123 6 months ago
What a lie! The tax cuts took $1.35 trillion out of our tax coffers. This country was in super shape in 2000 with a paid down debt and taxes were higher. What kind of morons reduce taxes and start a $3 trillion+ war? They raised the debt ceiling 7 times and blamed it on someone else. Read Eisenhower's 1956 Address to the Union. He said no tax cuts. Ryan, you and your chronies are trying to destroy everything this great man worked for: unions, Medicare, decent standard of living for Americans
86Gramms 6 months ago
@86Gramms revenues rise and fall with economic growth. tax rates play a small part. for the past 60 years tax receipts as a % of gdp have always been been around 18% of gdp and thats been during various brackets. during bushs terms only during 03-04 were revenues low (16.2% avg). from 05-08 they were back around the normal moving averages. it wasnt til 09 when the economy really went sour did revenues fall off.
while we had surpluses toward the end of clinton, the debt was not paid down, ....
CJLopez21 6 months ago
@86Gramms federal debt has not been paid down over a fiscal year since 1957. Much of his economy was also a low interest rate fueled bubble economy. People often forget the dotcom bubble and many of the housing regulations put in during his terms contributed to the housing bubble. that said, his economy was still preferable compared to bush's and obamas, that goes without saying.
SS and medicare need reform. reform doesnt mean throw grandma out in the street. in their 2010 financial report...
CJLopez21 6 months ago
@86Gramms the board of trustees for SS and medicare have said that SSDI will be exhausted in 10 yrs, medicare will start running deficits in a few years and be exhausted near 2030. SS retirement will be exhausted near 2040. reforms have to be done now so drastic measures arent needed later
I agree with you about the wars, we should stop them all immediately. I would disagree with you about unions being the great benefit they are portrayed as, especially as they are operate today
CJLopez21 6 months ago
fuck the government.
rodge2001 6 months ago
@rodge2001 I hope you mean Congress and not the Federal Bureaucracy.
Meade556 6 months ago
@rororhythm So glad you want to die. Just what exactly has Obama done, that has been so awful? He kept all the tax cuts and the Federal Government has been stepping up where the private sector has been stepping down. Problem with the stimulus is that most of it went to Wall Street.
Meade556 6 months ago
Blowhard Matthews just trying to get a class warfare line he can point to and say " Look, Ryan and the GOP want to take grannys ssi and make her eat dog food...
What a hack, Follow the Olberdork, Chris. Paul Ryan for prez when he gets through with the reforms.
tbwil11 7 months ago
@tbwil11 You want Class warfare? Well fine, you've got it already, it is being waged by the rich against the working families of this country and the middle class. GE and other big corporations pay less, percentage wise, in Federal, State and Municipal taxes than a man on $14,500 a year. Despite veritable rivers of tax cuts and loopholes, they only accelerate the pace of moving jobs abroad and at the end of it they aren't even all that competitive.
Meade556 6 months ago
@Meade556 No Meade, youve thrown in three different subjects with your post. Do you want to discuss class warfare, corporate tax loopholes, rising competition for manufacturing jobs in foreign countries, or income taxes. What role do you see the federal govt playing in your perceived "war against the working and middle class"?
tbwil11 6 months ago
@tbwil11 The other three topics are all part of class warfare. The Federal Government, at least professional civil servants, are the unwilling running dogs of the MOTUs. Like the FDA being held back by industry being allowed to intrude into its operations. The EPA being defunded. The FBI being told to not look any further into Mortgage fraud being perpetrated by mortgage originators. The fact that SocSec pays for itself. The Treasury doesn't hand out money to it.
Meade556 6 months ago
@Meade556 explain MOTU's, how is the fda being held back, when's the last time you fell ill from something you ate? EPA should be defunded or seriously scaled back. We are at a point where further regulation should be determined on a case by case basis with a less powerful entity. Who directed the FBI to stop looking into mort fraud and who were they investigating? and lastly, SSI as we know it is shit. If I had been able to invest the 15% or so that was confiscated from me, Id be retired now
tbwil11 6 months ago
@tbwil11 The money is guaranteed to be there for you when you retire.
Meade556 6 months ago
@tbwil11 In any case, nobody pays 15% payroll tax, most people don't even pay that rate in income tax.
Meade556 6 months ago
@Meade556 I see what comes out of my check and I know what employers pay. SSI is a pay as you go system that will be broke. Personal retirement accounts are a much better plan.
tbwil11 6 months ago
@tbwil11 Social Security won't be broke for another 25 years and even then it will be able to service 78% of its obligations if no change is made. What private sector scheme can say that? None. And as for your 401k those are in the hands of a bunch of compulsive gamblers, so kiss your money goodbye, that 401k you worked your whole life for, will make up the salary of just one banker for one year of work.
Meade556 6 months ago
@Meade556 Have you been listening to the news lately? My 401 has done far better than a what I hope to get from SSI even through the troughs and its MINE and its FAIR because personal accountability was the catylist behind the contributions. Think of the possibilities if I could have contributed even more thru the years. SSI age for me has ALREADY gone to 67, it will go up again for sure. Personal retirement accounts are superior in every way as evidenced by the many nations switching.
tbwil11 6 months ago
the bush tax cuts did not prevent the recession. the bush tax cuts did not solve job loss by outsourcing to china. you are a fool, mr ryan.
rknprs 7 months ago
@rknprs
Nobody said the tax cuts prevented the recession - but they certainly didn't CAUSE it. The root cause of the housing market collapse was the Federal Reserve artificially setting interest rates at record lows. This fueled a huge construction boom during which a lot of people made money based on false price signals; it was a rigged market.
Then when the bubble burst we realize that building production far exceeded the actual market demand. Central planning doesn't work, ask the Russians.
bobshenix 7 months ago
@bobshenix That is BS. Bankers whining "The material that allows my business to exist was too cheap" this is like a steel maker saying that "The price of Iron ore was too low so my business failed." The Fed setting interest rates low was a good idea, the problem was not the Fed, the problem was that Banks and Mortgage orginators forced high interest rates on those who could least afford it and since there were a lot of these, surprise, surprise they failed all at once.
Meade556 6 months ago
Right... i guess you're among those screaming that we need more government involvement, like Washington and the well-connected banking cartels aren't already manipulating the economy.
You really believe that all those phony sub-prime dollars would have been made in a true free-market economy?? That government mandates didn't help inflate the housing bubble and enable Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac to commit suicide... as if Federal guarantees to back the loans didn't ENCOURAGE risky lending practices?
bobshenix 6 months ago
@bobshenix You bet they would have been. Fannie and Freddie took on most of their risk after they were privatized. Regulators were heavily discouraged or did not enforce at all and besides the free market is geared to money, more, now, so all those loans would have been made as it allowed mortgage originators and Investment bankers to maximize fees and report it as a profit. The problem is that Washington, as in the Bureaucracy has not really had a say in how the money is spent. See the New Deal
Meade556 6 months ago
@Meade556 Masters of the Universe. I have gotten sick from mercury poisoning and once from e-coli, because industry pollutes willy nilly. FDA and EPA inspectors have been cut back on leaving us vulnerable and I have never seen a single case where regulation or powerful regulatory agencies have ever harmed the economy. The FBI was investigating people like countrywide the Bush White House and Industry lobbyists told them to back off, you just don't like Social Security because it is working.
Meade556 6 months ago
Your willingness to ignore the impact that gov't intervention, that the safety net of Federal guarantees had on fueling the sub-prime crisis is puzzling. So you really think the promise of a taxpayer bailout -- which of course came to fruition and rewarded the same cronies that gambled us into trouble -- had NO effect on the extent of risky business practices?? How naive!
The predatory fat cats who profited off sub-prime lending should have paid the price, not the struggling American taxpayer.
bobshenix 6 months ago
@bobshenix I am not saying the subprime loans were a good idea at all however it is worth bearing in mind that subprime loans written by the Government were ones, which in the recent crisis, tended to hold up more with only 14% of them failing vs 22% of the loans written by the private sector. This is because the Government did not expect to make a profit from these and instead wrote the mortgages with a mind to not squeezing the homeowner.
Meade556 6 months ago
@bobshenix What really attracted these people was not the non-existent guarantee of a bailout, but the fact that subprime loans, if your thinking is very short term, which theirs was, are riskier and you can charge higher interest, in theory getting more money, but this was based on the theory that money was endless and ignoring the fact that most Americans saw their incomes decline or stagnate between 2001-2007.
Meade556 6 months ago
There WERE gov't guaranteed safety nets for giants like Fannie and Freddie... do some homework. In any case, look how the financial collapse played out; when all was said and done the most reckless were bailed out with taxpayers' money!
Given the current state of politics in Washington and the prevalence of the entrenched establishment, it's not much of a stretch to presume that backdoor deals and private conversations amongst major power players were going on while the bubble was inflating.
bobshenix 6 months ago
@bobshenix Safety nets when they were public but they took on a lot more toxic products after they were privatized. When public subprime loans made up a small part of their balance sheet. Besides you want to blame people blame Alan Greenspan, the Republicans and a good deal of the Democrats too. We did not have these problems between 1933-1981, periods of high regulation and high taxation.
Meade556 6 months ago
Regardless of details when and how the 'safety nets' were made official, the technicalities are now irrelevant. The whole debacle went down exactly how guys like Peter Schiff and Ron Paul -- who both predicted this crisis YEARS beforehand -- said it would. Paul himself had warned multiple times on the House floor that an eventual bailout was "inevitable".
Bottom line-- the safety net WAS there and it WAS abused to the fullest. The moral hazard of bailout economics can scarcely be overstated.
bobshenix 6 months ago
@bobshenix A lot of left wingers predicted it would happen. Like Joseph Stiglitz and Paul Krugman, two STATIST minded people. They were right about regulation. And the techicalities are relevant. The Street is trying to shift blame to Washington, when Washington is not at fault because it did not write most of the mortgages, it withdrew the safety net and these idiots were not counting on any safety net, but property prices to continue rising.
Meade556 6 months ago
@Meade556 Gramm Leach Bliley was not the cause of the meltdown.
tbwil11 6 months ago
@tbwil11 What was then? Because the Act was a considerable contributor.
Meade556 6 months ago
They're both at fault [Wall St & Washgtn] and rest assured the crooks on all fronts got taken care of in the end, in one way or another. I agree that the government legislation needs to make the private sector work for the people, but you underestimate the role government played in precipitating this mess and in rewarding bad business behavior.
Why not let the failed banks fail and make some room for the more honest bankers who didn't overreach... why is it always about propping the system up??
bobshenix 6 months ago
@bobshenix I would agree with you largely, but this will required a more detailed response so here goes:
Meade556 6 months ago
@bobshenix 1: When you say Washington I know what you mean and I resent it. To me Washington is not the talking heads in Congress, the President and the media like that hypocrite Charles Krauthammer, it is a city of ordinary people, like Federal bureaucrats. Who are not overpaid or overcompensated, who work hard and do a lot with a little. By and large POLITICALS mess things up when they tell professionals "Don't regulate and if you do you will lose your job."
Meade556 6 months ago
@bobshenix Washington always has been more affluent than the average, but the ridiculousness of what is happening, started with the extensive influx of wingers and contractors under Reagan, slowed under Clinton and accelerated under Bush. FBI, DoL, DoE bureaucrats don't buy those big homes. Private people leaching off IRS funds do that.
Meade556 6 months ago
@bobshenix I forget who coined the phrase but there are two cities. Washington and Versailles sur Potomac. Versailles is what most people mean when they say Washington. Washington, not Versailles, has real people with real problems like anywhere else. People who wanted to stop what was going on were sidelined or fired. The people in charge were people who detested the mission of Agencies they ran. Like the people at the SEC.
Meade556 6 months ago
@bobshenix Second there needed to be a bailout so people did not lose their money and I mean ordinary people. But the Fed really has been a villain in all this under Greenspan and Bernanke. The Fed is not representative of the Federal bureaucracy. The Fed has more power than the CIA and more so than CIA, FBI, DoD, sees itself as above the system, it really was catering to its cronies.
Meade556 6 months ago
@bobshenix If the Federal Reserve was in fact not made up of the people who are the ones being "regulated" and were run as a Federal Agency, with no private interests being able to make decisions, what should have happened is the bailed out institutions should all have had to go onto the General Schedule as they were being bailed out, second they should have restructured their debt in acknowledgement of the fact that the paper they held had depreciated.
Meade556 6 months ago
@bobshenix Then a group of pro-regulation bureaucrats should have come in, had complete unfettered access to the books and papers, found instances of wrong doing, pressed charges against or fired the individuals responsible. Believe me, have to take a compensation/pay cut from $600,000 (average Goldman Sachs compensation) to the AT ABSOLUTE MOST $123,000 of the Government with CEOs earning only $200,000, for them, would have been a severe chastening.
Meade556 6 months ago
@bobshenix Bailing out the banks was not a bad idea in itself, The way it was done was. But note, the very Republicans who complain about overspending and the non-existent overregulation were people like Mr. Ryan who was all for TARP as a free handout without any strings attached, it is only when the idea that Government was going to look after other people that he got agitated. Whereas leftists like Bernie Sanders and Kucinich were in the forefront against TARP from beginning to end.
Meade556 6 months ago
@rknprs Amen
Meade556 6 months ago
once again chris matthews proves how big of a partisan fool he is, he refuses to let go of his left wing talking points even when hes proven to be wrong.
Jackson12303 7 months ago
@rororhythm Having this Ayn Rand worshiping economic illiterate run for president is the best thing Obama could hope for. His Roadmap to serfdom might make him loose his reelection next year.
MsZeitgeist85 7 months ago
The Americans DO NOT have the best healthcare system in the world. DO NOT. Bill Clinton has said it as well as most of the world. It is not free market it's like a sort of hybrid which doesn't match the European style which is much better which covers everybody, nor is it purely free market as you guys spend 19% of revenue on healthcare, more then the UK which spends 9%, pick one, either is better then what you have now
toberses11 8 months ago
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Everyone in Washington knows that Paul Ryan has been told he has a million dollar a year lobbying job for the health industry if he gets his health care law passed.
Here's how it works-he lies through his teeth to get it passed-the healthcare insurance industry makes billions more from vouchers while still denying it's customers health care.
Meanwhile this nigger gets a cushy one million dollar a year job as a lobbyist. Way to sell out your own people Ryan!
TheKmbt 8 months ago
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The one good thing about Ryan's budget proposal is that it will put a lot of right wingers out of thier jobs and homes. They'll have to move in with the kids who won't have jobs either. Many will die from lack of proper affordable health care. I'm all for that.
Vetwolf13 8 months ago
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The one good thing about Ryan's budget proposal is that it will put a lot of right wingers out of thier jobs and homes. They'll have to move in with the kids who won't have jobs either. Many will die from lack of proper affardable health care. I'm all for that.
TheKmbt 8 months ago
Keep arguing your SATANIC ECONOMICS, Paul.
Why don't you upload your town hall meetings where you get booed because they don't buy your SATANIC ECONOMICS?
They know your SATANIC ECONOMICS would allow large companies like GE to pay ZERO FEDERAL TAXES as they did in 2010, and put the burden on the working class.
They know your SATANIC ECONOMICS slash American workers' rights and make it MUCH EASIER for companies to send American jobs oversees to India and China.
SATANIC ECONOMICS!
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Lllburns 9 months ago
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Ryan wants to give MORE tax breaks to the rich so they can build more factories overseas. This is a continuation of the Bush years where 8 million jobs were
outsourced. If this nigger has his way none of us will have jobs, health care, or social security! America deserves better!
Vetwolf13 9 months ago
NOBODY believes you Paul Ryan. If the tax cuts for the rich created jobs, then during the Bush years (when the tax cuts were put in place) then where were all the jobs then and now?
NowThePeople 9 months ago
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Ryan and the GOP believe in choices!! That's right-if they have their way senior citizens will have to make lots of choices - one choice they'll have to make will be between health care and food! SUCKERS!!!
TheKmbt 9 months ago
Paul's got the right approach!
As a Christian, he knows Jesus wants us to SCREW OVER the poor, the working class, the sick, and the elderly--and look after the rich and powerful.
In the last 10 years, 2.3 MILLION US JOBS WERE OUTSOURCED.
Paul never speaks out or calls for a BOYCOTT of companies that outsource US jobs.
He rightly understanding that by sending our jobs to India, we are earning what they call "good karma."
Thanks Paul!
Regulations? OIL SPILLS ARE GOOD.
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Lllburns 9 months ago
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I pray to God that the republicans have their way. It will give me great pleasure to see all you inbred right wingers lose your jobs, homes, pensions and social security!
The GOP will privatize everything and that means you'll lose it- all of it! And that goes for your inbred kids too! Just PLEASE, PLEASE thinks of me and how happy I'll be when it happens! SUCKERS!
Vetwolf13 9 months ago
TOOL
posuerbuster 9 months ago
Paul you look like one of those Republican Shoe Tappers that end up in a men's room.
posuerbuster 9 months ago
Defense spending more than every nation on the planet Earth combined. Wasteful defense spending and we continue to make weapons that are obsolete. Why not go after that Mr. Ryan? Why not stop the B.S. Bush tax cuts for the richest 1%?
No lets take away from old people are rape medicaid and medicare instead. What a piece of HUMAN GARBAGE.
F.U. Paul Ryan
posuerbuster 9 months ago
Let's make this abundantly clear ! The top 3 % of the people of in the country pay 60 % of the taxes. What part of that do class warfare proponents not understand ?!!! Also, and Paul Ryan articulated this in this interview. People making over $250 K a year are not wealthy, especially if they aren't filing their taxes as corporations. But guys like Chris Matthews and other liberals don't care and will keep making the class warfare arguments. And Chris, try telling the truth !
Retirement02042012 9 months ago
@eu000000000 How can Paul Ryan own anybody when Paul is a bald face liar and only has an interest in serving the corporations that line his pockets
daveusaz1218 9 months ago
Ryan and the GOP believe in choices!! That's right-if they have their way senior citizens will have to make lots of choices - one choice they'll have to make will be between health care and food! SUCKERS!!!
Vetwolf13 9 months ago
Question for Mr. Ryan. Why are you "essential govt. personnel"?
whereismybailouttv 9 months ago
GE pays $0 in taxes, say what you want about corperate taxn rates, doesn't matter they get out of paying anything. Social Security and Medicare is payed insurance not an entitlement. Jobs go overseas because labor cost is penny's not dollars. Paul Ryan is a pencil neck corperate lobyist posing as a representative of government.
jeffmoto72 9 months ago 2
What's The Devil like, Mr. Ryan ?
Lllburns 9 months ago
Go Paul!
Screw over the working class, the poor, and the elderly!
And promote the interests of the wealthiest Americans!
You guys are doing some SERIOUS EVIL.
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Lllburns 9 months ago 2
During Clinton years, the tax was very high and our economic was doing well. However, ever since we pass the Bush cuts, banks who do whatever they want, low tax on rich or corporation. Our deficit gone over 10 trillion.
aznguymetal 9 months ago
Money is cold and hard. I would like to see people addressing it as such. Real people suffer from every decision that is made concerning money in this forum. I would like to see a public image projecting the seriousness associated with this issue. My interpretation of the public image of the persons interviewed herein does not correspond to what I view as serious. P.S. Don't laugh about the destruction of my future.
Period0fTime 9 months ago
This guy say that the war and 9/11 didn't have a impact on the economy......WOW what an idiot!
Bomyster3000 9 months ago
Chris Matthews is such a dumb jackass, and he doesn't even know it...
ThesisOfRock 9 months ago
Paul Ryan - Hardball
Chris Matthews - Softball
Joe Crowley - Lowball
tgoyer 10 months ago
Liberals hate facts...
soccer92489 10 months ago
Paul Ryan FTMFW!!!!!
sdkaliman 10 months ago
PAUL RYAN- HARDBALL
orduck23 10 months ago
Paul Ryan strikes me as an honest guy. But I cannot disagree with him more on taxes.
Nemesis000000 11 months ago
@Nemesis000000
High taxes stifle economic growth; it's that simple. Rep. Ryan, I believe, is right on the money.
regelemihai 10 months ago
@regelemihai Higher taxes on the richest 2% does zero harm to the economy, it actually helps it. This has been proven over and over. I'm libertarian but the evidence is clear. It's downright asinine to lower taxes on the rich when there's an enormous deficit. It will never be made up if you don't raise taxes on the rich. The Republican party has been entirely taken over by corporate interests. They trick the public into voting for them and then screw them out of their rights to benefit the rich.
Nemesis000000 10 months ago 2
@Nemesis000000
If you confiscate ALL of the rich's income it wouldn't put a minuscule dent on the gargantuan debt we have. To attack the rich is nothing more but an old social/class warfare vendetta. It's far from demonstrated that across the board tax cuts harm the economy--the evidence is to the contrary.
The enormous deficit is caused in large part by entitlments and government spending.
And yes, it does harm the economy when those richies create jobs.
regelemihai 10 months ago
@regelemihai
Not to mention they already bear more than 80% of the national tax burden. Thjose at the bottom 505 pay nothing. I dunno how much more progressive some ppl want it to be.
If you're a libertarian, I can't understand why you'd disagree with me.
regelemihai 10 months ago
@regelemihai The idea that billionaires take the extra 3% income they saved from a tax cut and make jobs is absolutely ludicrous. It goes in a bank... probably not even an American bank. If it creates jobs it probably creates them somewhere else. I'm not in favour of confiscating all the rich's money, that's absurd. But cutting their taxes does zero for the economy and baloons the deficit. The 3% tax cut Barack "Bush 2.0" Obama gave to the rich is bigger than all the cuts being proposed now.
Nemesis000000 10 months ago
@Nemesis000000
As I said, what baloons the debt is government spending and social programs like Medicare and SS. Medicare has 30 T of unfunded liabilities alone. Taxing the rich who are already overly taxed won't solve anything. They outsource those jobs you're talking about because the corporate tax rate is one of the highest in the world!
regelemihai 10 months ago
@regelemihai If you're serious about solving the deficit, you HAVE to raise taxes. Cuts need to happen, yes, but not to home heating for the poor, planned parenthood, NPR and shit like that which combined is like 0.0001% of the budget. And you can't cut social security because people paid into it and if you cut it you are stealing their money. Cut the military industrial complex, cut all subsidies to private industry, eliminate dept of homland security, and raise taxes on rich fatcats! Done!
Nemesis000000 10 months ago
@Nemesis000000
We at leats agree that subsedies do have to be cut to the big companies that are in bed with Washington. Crony capitalism is what creates these imbalances. But raising taxes doesn't solve anything, it hurts the economy. People will stop investing; they will move out either from the state or from the country, and wealth will not be created. It will only hurt the economy.
regelemihai 10 months ago
@regelemihai Bill Gates does not notice if he has a few million dollars less each year. It makes no difference. And it makes a world of difference to a lot of people who need help.
You're talking about theory as if its fact. It's a fine theory that the rich will use that money to create jobs and invest in the economy, except it turns out that they don't. They just basically have piles of cash in a giant vault like in Richie Rich (not really, but it's just like that)
Nemesis000000 10 months ago
"Bill Gates does not notice if he has a few million dollars less each year. It makes no difference. And it makes a world of difference to a lot of people who need help."
No it most certainly does not! We already have a broken system where welfare programs are bankrupting the nartion, the last thing we need is more taxpaer dollars to be funnelled into these programs. They're the reason we're bankrupt. Not to mention that, as I said, even if you confiscated ALL of Bill Gates wealth....
regelemihai 10 months ago
...you wouldn't put even the slghtest dent on the debt. We're talking trillions upon trillions here.
I beg to differ sir. The rich employ people, and they invest; not to mention that less you tax them, they increase the wealth meaning you increase the tax base--you collect more in taxes than before.
I agree that the rich should pay more in taxes than anyone else because they can afford it, but to say that they should be heavily taxed is taking it too far IMO.
regelemihai 10 months ago
@regelemihai "High taxes stifle economic growth; it's that simple."
If that were really true how do you explain the 90s? Or how about the 50s and 60s, when the top marginal rates were between 70 and 90% and times were booming? Even Bush Sr. knew that you have to raise revenues to battle the budget (even though it cost him his re-election).
Of course there's more to encouraging investment and growth. Raise marginal rates, give breaks on REAL investment & hiring. Close unproductive tax loopholes.
kitsune361 9 months ago
@kitsune361
I'm with you 100% about loopholes. We pay billions eagc year just to comply with the overly twisted and complicated tax code.
The 50's and 60s were a different case study. We were producing back then and the US had very little competition from foreign countries who were battered and ruined after WW2. Today we're not producing; we're spending and consuming.
In addition, remember that while the top marginal tax rates were higher there were more tax deductions. In the 80s...
regelemihai 9 months ago
...they were gotten rid of, tax rates were dropped and just like in the 50s, there was also an economic boom.
All in all, I think we at least agree that many reguklations need to be simplified; not least of all the tax code.
regelemihai 9 months ago
Note how Chris Matthews asks overall soft ball questions to Crowley (typically yes or no questions) and asks Ryan why he can't do things (note: republicans are in the minority at this time - democrats are in control but didn't complete a budget). Crowley never answers about cutting entitlement spending which is the main driver in the deficit/debt - again, note that Chris doesn't care to really hear anything from Crowley, just to keep on Ryan with slanted negative.assumptions.
jazzmanharmonic 11 months ago
@eu000000000 No, stupid liberals (like Chris Matthews) get owned when they talk to Paul Ryan. Liberals who know what they're talking about would have a good and stimulating debate with Congressman Ryan and probably would own him.
CircusofPython 11 months ago
@CircusofPython WRONG Ezra Klien Barbecued Paul Ryan in when they debated over his bullshit "Roadmap" over the fact that he would almost cut revenue in half to balance the budget as he said he would. Not only did Paul Ryan flunk math but he is posing as an economist.
Paul Ryan is a discredited charlatan.
genYprogressive 11 months ago
@genYprogressive
The discredited goon is Klein, who is not only an amateur blogger, but incompetent overall. A cocky drone who graduated with a B.A in PS who believes that the constitution is not "legally binding;" Umm, yeah--he's the one who should doll out advice. Paul Ryan didn't flunk math when he graduated witha degree in economics, a thing this moron knows very little about.
I know many progressives do consider fiscal responsability as "bullshit," that's not new.
regelemihai 10 months ago
Wipe that smug look off your face you conservative motherfucker
gedwashere91 1 year ago
Universal Democrat rebuttal:
"Oh yeah, well he wants to privatize social security!"
netster007z 1 year ago
When Clinton raised taxes on the wealthiest some said iunemployment would go up & the DOW would go down.
What happened? Unemployment went down to 3.8%, The DOW tripled!
When Bush lowered taxes on the wealthiest some said the unemployment would go down & the DOW would go up.
What happened? Unemployment went up & amazingly the DOW was lower when Bush left office after 8 yrs than when he took office.
Don't buy the BS that lowering taxes on the wealthiest is always a good thing to do
DillonDee1 1 year ago
DillonDee1 1 year ago
The wealthiest 1% now has 45% of the wealth of the country. THIS IS INSANE!
Raise the MAX TAX RATE now!
DillonDee1 1 year ago
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Ryan, Boner, and the rest of the GOP want to take your childrens retirement (social security) and give it to the the bankers on Wall Street. These niggers suck
the bankers cocks and swallow! America deserves better!
Vetwolf13 1 year ago
@MsZeitgeist85 - is your real name Debbie Wasserman Schultz? This is a serious quesiton? You sound uninformed enough and foolish enough to be her.
landofthebroke 1 year ago
@eu000000000 Ezra Klein owned the living shit out or Paul Ryan in their interveiw. I suggest you go read that.
MsZeitgeist85 1 year ago
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@MsZeitgeist85 Your ignorance knows no bounds. Congratulations.
landofthebroke 1 year ago
Chris Matthews got owned. He's such a piece of work. And I love how libtards always demogouge privatizing Social Security...Like the return on the money we invest in a failed government program garners such a great return on your investment...What is it? Like a fraction of 1 percent return on your investment? I always dread getting that piece of mail from Social Security that tells me after a lifetime of work, I'm going to get a whopping $900 a month. Geez...
USAPatriot63 1 year ago
So now it's irresponsible to cut taxes? If that's the case, it must be magnificently irresponsible to enact a $750 billion dollar stimulus package of which most people could have told you was not going to work, or to continue the wars of which you besmirch while on the other hand continuing to complain that the wars have contributed to the deficits. I don't know about you, but I would much rather have 5% unemployment with tax cuts to the top 2% than 10% unemployment while gouging the wealthy.
marinegrunt0341 1 year ago
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This is why MSNBC has such horrible ratings. WAY TO GO CONGRESSMAN RYAN! I can't believe you went on his show and fed it to him! AMAZING!
trmeutsch 1 year ago
Paul Ryan has it right. Democrats have it wrong. In the Great Recession, Americans found out Madoff's ponzi scheme didn't work, why continue to have 3 major ponzi schemes-Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid that steal from the younger generation and give to the older generation? Democrats need to stop defending these failing government programs and be more tolerant and accept different alternatives that work.
BlackRepublican2010 1 year ago
I always find it funny how rich liberals whine and complain about the tax cuts.
Obama, Bill Gates, Olbermann etc could still pay under the old rates if they wanted to. The IRS website even allows individuals to donate extra cash to the government.
Of course, liberals are never interested in individual principle or virtue, they'd rather make it mandatory.
jimbad05 1 year ago
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THE TAXES! THE FINGER THING MEANS THE TAXES
CoolerKing37 1 year ago
Chris Matthews - got owned.
findjinn 1 year ago
PAUL RYAN - 2012!!!
RKane4u 1 year ago
Why these libs who rage over Bush tax cuts to the rich always forget that it is only $70 billion dollars a year, so even when you don't take into consideration the damage for economy that stopping them would do, it really isn't going to help seriously with the dept and decifit problems.
teemu21 1 year ago
Paul Ryan needs to run for president!!!!
atleigh1 1 year ago
I hope all you unemployed, and soon to be unemployed inbred right wingers remember not one republican voted to extend unemployment comp!
AND, the very first thing they will do if they get the majority is to cut taxes for the wealthy elite. This is where thier hearts are at. How's that trickle down economics working for you?
AND, Ryan, Boner and the rest of that nigger clan want to privatize social security! If that happens you can kiss your retiremant goodbye! SUCKERS!
Vetwolf13 1 year ago
@Vetwolf13 i would love to privatize social security, cut unemployment comp and cut taxes for the wealthy. rich people do a lot more for people then the blood suckers waiting around for a hand out
and don't use the n-word, you silly socialist racist
pushups2345 1 year ago
@pushups2345 Rich people sent 5 million jobs overseas during the last Republican administration. Why do you hate the middle class?
Vetwolf13 1 year ago
@Vetwolf13 Liberals sent 7 million jobs overseas in only 2 years with their lack of direction, and hatred of businesses with high corporate taxes. Why do you not understand capitalism?
kndrice 1 year ago
@Vetwolf13 Your language is detestable and despicable. You are not only moronic and foolish, but outright disgusting. Of course you support Democrats / Marxists - no surprise there.
landofthebroke 1 year ago
Lol, I love how Ryan just EXPOSES these two idiots. "uhh, Chris, $4.5 Trillion is not 1/300th of the deficit"
What he says at 6:29 is KEY. And these boneheads need to get that in their heads.
archipelago44 1 year ago
Lol, I love how Ryan just EXPOSES these two idiots. "uhh, Chris, $4.5 Trillion is not 1/300th of the deficit"
archipelago44 1 year ago
@eu000000000 WRONG Paul Krugman owned the shit out or Paul Ryan. This crook is an economic illiterate.
MsZeitgeist85 1 year ago
@MsZeitgeist85 Sounds as if you are an economic illiterate as Paul Krugman has not been an economist for a long time (he is merely an ideologue and spokesperson for "progressives").
landofthebroke 1 year ago 6
@landofthebroke Krugman predicted the bank meltdown back in 2003 when Paul Ryan and the Milton Freedman Flat Earthers were still crowing about the "Bush Boom"
Debunking Paul Ryan's Roadmap is very easy. He wants to turn Meidcare into a 11k vaucher program to buy private insurance(not employer provided). Ok try having a 65 year old in average health try to buy private insurance on the current drug plan. I Guarantee you it will cost ALOT more than 11k.
MsZeitgeist85 1 year ago
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landofthebroke 1 year ago
@MsZeitgeist85 So sorry but you clearly have no clue what you are talking about as Krugman endorsed and encouraged (in the nytimes on August 2, 2002) a synthetic "housing bubble": For proof, google the following terms: nydivide bubble economy paul krugman .......
Currently 11k would not be enough for healthcare but once again you have only been "educated" in Marxism and have not yet read Hayek, Mises, or Hazlitt, as a true free market can drastically reduce healthcare costs. Try again.
landofthebroke 1 year ago
@landofthebroke 1. I was talking about the bank meltdown which was caused by Phil Gramm. 2 The NYT article you mention does not address the cause. 83% of the Toxic Assets were from private non-bank lenders NOT Fannie and Freddie.
2. Your Free Market Health Care Failed. Paul Ryan voted for Medicare Part D that caused drugs to be so expensive drug companys rob Medicare. Paul Ryan helped wreck Medicare so he would have an excuse to privatize it.
MsZeitgeist85 1 year ago
@MsZeitgeist85 1. I was also referring to the meltdown that Krugman encouraged and the likes of Barney Frank and Chris Dodd were most to blame...Phil Gramm caused the whole entire meltdown? How insightful. Try reading Thomas Sowell's "Housing Boom and Bust". Then read Sowell's "Basic Economics" for your own sake. 2. 83%? Please enlighten us with a source as Fannie and Freddie are completely bankrupt to this day and will end up costing more than every other bailout combined.
landofthebroke 1 year ago
@MsZeitgeist85 How has the "free market" in health care failed?? There NEVER was a "free market in health care to begin with. Medicare part D gives seniors a CHOICE to their health care and marxists like yourself want to revoke the ability for them to choose. The ability to CHOOSE is freedom. A government bureaucrat making choices for you is tyranny. CHOICE lowers costs by fostering competition. I cannot even believe I am debating this with someone.
landofthebroke 1 year ago
@landofthebroke The fact that Paul Ryan would not go on Meet the Press to debate Krugmann speaks volume. He knows that his bullshit Roadmap was exposed as a fraud and he knows that Krugmann would barbeque him in a debate.
Paul Ryan wrote and voted part of Medicare Part D. Paul Ryan lecturing people on fiscal dicipline is like Andy Dick lecturing people on sobriety.
MsZeitgeist85 1 year ago
@MsZeitgeist85 Great response, even if it did take you 3 months. Krugman is a joke, & you touting his ideology "speaks volumes". Have you ever even heard of the Chicago School of Econ, or even better - the Austrian School of Econ? Doubtful, as you are a moronic Keynesian approaching Marxism. Technically, Paul Ryan would not be my 1st pick lecture on fiscal disciple - Ron Paul would be. The pig know as WassermanSchultz would be my 1st pick shut her filthy disgusting foul mouth. 2nd would be you.
landofthebroke 1 year ago
@landofthebroke Yes I have heard of the Austrians and they are discredited. Peter Schiff is not even an economist and Milton Friedman's Chicago school of economic Nazis have no credibility on this matter. Look what they did in the UK and Chile. Look at what happened when Friedman was predicting hyperinflation during the time of the BAM crisis of 1982. It didn't happen and Friedman was so embarresed that he stoped speaking in public.
MsZeitgeist85 1 year ago
@MsZeitgeist85 The Austrians discredited? And the Keynesians have been validated?... hysterical. Forget Peter Schiff you clown; go read some F.A. Hayek and Ludwig von Mises. But first you should read some Thomas Sowell... then keep reading until you get a clue. "embarresed that he stoped speaking in public." - perhaps you should be embarrassed that you can't spell and stop speaking/writing in public. Or you can keep spewing your gibberish and keep making a fool of yourself...
landofthebroke 1 year ago
@landofthebroke Every economist regards Ryans "Roadmap" as a fraud. Not to mention the fact he voted for Medicare Part D.
Krugmann got it right on health care. Ryan was wrong then and is still wrong.
MsZeitgeist85 9 months ago
@MsZeitgeist85 your comments are hysterical. you are a delusional drone. I won't even try to argue with your ignorance. Read Thomas Sowell's Basic Economics from front to cover and then MAYBE I will try to debate you..... but if you read it then you would no longer be ignorant and would see that the left and the RINO's are destroying this country.
landofthebroke 8 months ago
@landofthebroke Sowel is a laugh. This is the guy that says that the USA had no colonies and that there are 800K people in Canada on a 2 year wait list for health care.
I read Thomas Sowell's claims about health care in Canada and I stopped reading after the 7th page because he got so many easy to check facts wrong. Sowell is full of more shit than a factory farm.
MsZeitgeist85 8 months ago
@MsZeitgeist85 You have read him and yet you are still unable to spell his name correctly? Your writing suggests that you are a 12 year old child that knows nothing except what they have heard from Bill Maher. And, as always, being from the left you resort to foul language due to lack of content; lack of facts; lack of ideas; and the list goes on and on.....you should move to Canada if you believe life is so much better there. Good luck to you my ignorant, naive, and brainwashed friend.
landofthebroke 8 months ago
@landofthebroke Not one single OECD developed nation uses the health care model that Paul Ryan and Sowell advocate. Canada's system works ours doesn't
Any questions?
MsZeitgeist85 8 months ago
@MsZeitgeist85 WOW! The OECD! Big words/acronyms for a twelve year old. Good for you! One question: WHY DOES EVERYONE COME TO AMERICA WHEN THEY HAVE A SERIOUS MEDICAL ISSUE? HAVE YOU EVER, EVER CONSIDERED GOING TO ANOTHER COUNTRY FOR A MEDICAL ISSUE? IF SO; THEN LEAVE, AND DO'N'T COME BACK. Good riddance. We have the best medical care in the history of the world. We also have the best military in the history of the world. If you don't like it, then LEAVE. Goodbye.
landofthebroke 8 months ago
@landofthebroke Why does everyone come here for care? Well they don't
I have heard this drivel about the PM of Italy and a leader from Yemen comming here for surgury and it proves nothing. A report from the Ontario Ministry of Health showed that from Aug 92 to Feb 93 there were over 60 thousand medical claims were made on behalf of American Citizens in Canada.
I guess I will trade 2 rich politicians for 60K average Americans. Nice health care system dipshit.
MsZeitgeist85 8 months ago
@MsZeitgeist85 Ah, yes lets socialize the medical system and essentially cap how much doctors will earn; essentially making our best and brightest go into other fields such as law...yes, we need more lawyers. You are so misinformed and/or uninformed that it is staggering. You must rely on foul language and this is a waste of time.
landofthebroke 8 months ago
@landofthebroke And you still miss the point. We have the best medical care in the world but we have the worst health insurance in the world. Thats the point.
And about the Military. Whats that....... Ohh another goverment run program. I guess if we had a health care system like the NHS in Britian that was run by the goverment we would have a health care system as good as our military.
But you Tea Tards don't want that because that's Socialsim.
MsZeitgeist85 8 months ago
@MsZeitgeist85 The reason why we have the best health care in the world is because it is still somewhat market based...ya know, markets...people buying and selling as THEY SEE FIT. The reason WHY it is so expensive is because of government involvement (arbitrary regulations, price controls, and foolishly created legislation). The government always makes things less efficient and NEVER makes them cheaper. With a true FREE MARKET system the quality goes up and cost goes down.
landofthebroke 8 months ago
@landofthebroke 1. Most new pattens and medical discoverys are funded by the National Institute of Health (your tas dollars) not the private sector. 2. Your so called Free Market doesn't exist in any other country because it doesn't work and never will.
I asked you over and over to name a single country that uses for profit health insurance and you still can't
Tens of thousands die every year in the USA because HMOs would rather make a profit than cover people.
MsZeitgeist85 8 months ago
@MsZeitgeist85 Switzerland, Germany and the Netherlands are three countries that uses for profit health insurance. Could you provide some proof that most patents and medical discoveries aare the product of the National Institute of Health?
kartman13 8 months ago
@kartman13 Thats insurance for other forms of health care. For profit insurance for Primary Care does not exist outside the USA.
MsZeitgeist85 8 months ago
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@MsZeitgeist85 Yes it does. And where's the proof that most patents and medical discoveries aare the product of the National Institute of Health?
kartman13 8 months ago
you gotta love this! you've got to love the NeoCons.
bilbob7624 1 year ago
The Republican, unsurprisingly, is lying. After tax loopholes & tax havens, US has one of the lowest corporate tax intake in the world. Some of the biggest corporations pay very little taxes at all. That is the problem. The tax loopholes & tax havens help big businesses, but small businesses can't take advantage of tactics. So, small businesses end up paying high taxes to make up for big businesses that take advantage of the system. And yet it's small businesses that create most new jobs.
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
As is usual with MSNBC - Two liberals to each conservative.
MagnusPrime01 1 year ago 2
Time for MSNBC to send this old horse out to pasture. He's lost it
joe1026 1 year ago 2
Trickle down doesn't work esp in times like these.
beefoneeto 1 year ago
CHRIS MATTHEWS SHOWS HIS IGNORANCE HIS BIAS HIS UTTER STUPIDITY
barbaraloiswelch 1 year ago 2
i operated a company w/ over 50 employees - a tax cut for me would not make me hire more.
A tax cut for lower & middle income people would increase demand for my products & thus cause me to hire more.
Bush (the Senior) put it well when he said - TRICKLE DOWN IS VOODOO ECONOMICS.
DillonDee1 1 year ago
@DillonDee1 Trickle down economics is a tax cut strategy that allows people with money to invest more into their business. The more a business expands the more the business owner must hire to keep that business running at that size. A company with just over 50 employees is not a good example of why supply side economics is enacted. Its for bigger companies that hire many people.
ltkhokie1 1 year ago
@ltkhokie1 Most new jobs are created by small businesses and not big businesses. Also, I suspect that most entrepreneurial new business owners come from the middle class and not the upper class. There is no evidence that giving the richest top percent more money leads them to invest in new job creation. I doubt most rich people invest their own personal money back into a business. Trickle down is a theory based in ideological rhetoric rather than in facts.
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
@DillonDee1 Well now that you no longer operate this company you have time to read and educate yourself. Try reading Thomas Sowell's "Basic Economics". Or google the following: trickle up labor thomas sowell sowell020599 ......this article by Sowell will inform you and also hopefully help motivate you to buy his book on BASIC economics. Good luck.
landofthebroke 1 year ago
Ryan is just another CORPORATE WHORE!
DillonDee1 1 year ago
@DillonDee1 Same can be said about you (albeit more accurately) for the Democrats / Marxists.
landofthebroke 1 year ago
Congressman Ryan tries to explain economics to Chris Matthews starting at 6:40. Go to Roadmap for America's Future.
dhisbrook 1 year ago
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The very first thing Boner, Ryan and the rest of the right wing clan will do if they get the majority will be to CUT TAXES FOR THE WEALTHY! Just like Bush did. How's that trickle down economics working for you? Suckers
Vetwolf13 1 year ago
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The very first thing Boner, Ryan and the rest of the right wing clan will do if they get the majority will be to CUT TAXES FOR THE WEALTHY! Just like Bush did. How's that trickle down economics working for you? Suckers!
Vetwolf13 1 year ago