"Our true choice is not between tax reduction, on the one hand & the avoidance of large Federal deficits on the other. An economy hampered by restrictive tax rates will never produce enough revenues to balance our budget just as it will never produce enough jobs or enough profits. It is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high today & tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now."President John F Kennedy
I been pushing this for years and if we all pull together and contact our govt officilas by using the link and letter form on my blog this alone will put us back in surplus in 6 months time !
@dongwlim Ill try to explain it to you. (1) do the poor provide jobs? no. (2) Can the wealthy provide jobs if the govt takes all of the money from the wealthy? no (3) The democrats want you to rely on govt for your needs so they can count on your vote. People vote for their own best interest, therefore those that rely on welfare vote for the party that has enslaved them with welfare. (4) Some vote Republican because of religion,Dems support killing babies but not murderers. Reverse that for Reps
1. Corporations are owned and run by people - not just the rich
2. When you increase corporate tax, companies have LESS money to invest in R&D (jobs), LESS money for educating employees, LESS money to hire new employees, LESS money for raises and incentives, LESS money for shareholder dividends.
3. When taxes are flat or lowered, employees will benefit; they will spend more money, helping the economy. How is this bad? Cenk needs to think about this a bit more.
It's all well and fine when those companies invest in employers and RD, but you fail to take into account the very few fat cats who get an obscene amount of money, I'm speaking hundreds of millions...You libertarians and communists have an incomplete view as to how the world really works.
Conservative capitalist, actually. Liberals like to raise corporate taxes, which force companies to offshore labour. Communists destroy free trade and capitalist democracies. Where does that leave you? On Jupiter?
sometimes i do not know who is right republicans say they best liberals say they are without some middle ground all can agree on we are always going to have problems.
@johndebbra When good and evil compromise, only evil profits. Ayn Rand said this many decades ago.
Let me provide an anology to explain my point.
A town marshal wants to protect everyone in his town, but a killer wants to kill everyone. Does the Marshal compromise and allow the killer to kill half of the people or does he draw a line in the sand and prevent any killing. This is an extreme example, but it illustrates the point clearly. When good compromises with evil, only evil profits.
@intrepidorator Thing is, in your analogy, if the Marshal fails in their efforts to stop the killer (eg they're killed), then everyone in the town dies, wheras only half the town is killed if compromised. Good did gain something. Agreed that in this scenario the Marshal should make a stand, but it is not as clear-cut as saying evil always profits in compromise. If good doesn't have the strength to enforce, then a compromise maybe the only option.
@dreamcattcher1 OK, but what about the case, for example when Good has the power, for example, the house republicans have the power to force Obama into making real cuts in the budget. In this case, the repubs in the house MUST force Obama to do the right thing and save the countrys economy. In my opinion, Obama doesnt want a free market capitalist economy, he wants a quasi-socialist economy, as proven by his take over of GM and student loans, and the health insurance, and everthing else he could
Just know that when one of the 85% of Americans below the 15% uber-rich people-not American-vote for a government of big, deregulated business and believe that that government of big business is working on your behalf, you just might as well wear a sign around your neck stating: " I AM A FOOL".
@octaviaaugustus1950 The reason that most tax cuts help the wealthy is because the wealthy pay most of the taxes. How can the bottom 50% of the population get a tax cut when they pay $0 in taxes. Of course the top 15% get the biggest tax break they pay more than 80% of the taxes. Tax breaks free up money for the free market, taxes gather money to the govt, The free market creates jobs, the govt creates welfare recipients. Clinton and a repub congress reformed welfare and this created a surplus.
We all ultimately work for the rich so that when we and them are taxed it helps pay for the society(social security, mail, roads, police, emergency, education) that we all know. Apparently it seems that those in high places don't seem to value these things anymore or those in a "higher society" are indifferent to the society where ultimately there wealth is generated and sustained by the toil of the common man. Without the common masses there would be no wealth. So who's actually being taxed?
So when does the revolution start? I'm Canadian, but it will still be interesting to watch. I feel that I'm watching the fall of an empire. If that is the case, the economy being as global as it is, half the world will go down with the US. Scary times right now.
@Swidhelm Yes... i wonder if the United States people will rebel, Will it be a bloody revolution like the Russian revolution, Or something more civil and democratic? who knows...?
@AlwiShahab1 As much as I'd like to say peaceful I can see things getting violent. Especially when you listen to the rehtoric of the right right now. But who knows. I hope that if there is a revolution of some sort it is much more diplomatic and that no one is killed. And I hope it happens before the world economy crashes. I don't want to be homeless and just trying to survive because of neocolonialism and exploitation in USA. Who knows. We shall see.
@Swidhelm There isn't going to be a revolution. As in the initial revolution, there are sissies that sit on the fence, risking nothing, afterwards the cowards emerge claiming, "I'm with you"- the winners. When John Kennedy won office, he won by a very, very narrow margin; when he died, the majority claimed to have voted for him. Finally, Americans are soft, they can't take an armed revolt, it will cut into Monday night football; Dancing With the Stars or even getting dirty fingernails.
@octaviaaugustus1950 When George Washington fought the British, he and the founding fathers and patriots laid it ALL on the line. Born and raised here, he owned a vast amount of land and was rich. Most of all, he possessed a character not found in America anymore. Most especially among the rich. If the Revolution had failed, he would have been hung; if he escaped, he and his family would have had to flee to France. Today, Americans fight for freedom elsewhere, but won't fight for themselves.
Democrats do everything they can to drive businesses out of the country and Republicans do everything they can to drive ordinary citizens out of the county. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
@thanatos101b Maybe you should look back at US in 19 century, when the dollar value was actually growing, when US was increasing its production and wealth, when US created the middle class.
Now US is more like Zimbabwe than like Somalia, soon enough all that money you'll be wheeling around in a barrow, you would have to keep an eye on it when you go to a store, so that nobody throws the money on the ground and steals the wheel barrow.
@romanmir01 Why not look back at the mid-century (the 1950's) when the dollar was actually growing, when the US was increasing its production and wealth and the US created the middle class. Also the wealthy were taxed in the 90% range, over 35% of Americans were in unions, and most manufacturing was home-grown. Remember how the 19th century ended? We call it the Great Depression. Oh, and the 19th century was a hell hole of genocide, child labor, and massive poverty.
@thanatos101b In the fifties the USA didn't create a middle class, it got blue collar workers to such a high standard of living by fluke of the war and post-war reality, in which all economic competitors to US were destroyed and US was the only one supplying the world with consumer goods. So think again, that is not going to happen unless there is another war, in which all producer nations are destroyed somehow and US is left to rebuild the wealth.
@romanmir01 Yes, yes it did. See, the (non-existent) middle and upper classes were destroyed during the great depression. The ending of the great depression created a high degree of social mobility. And if it was a "fluke" why, exactly, did that continue unabated until either the 1980's or the 2000's (depending on your opinion of when it ended).
Don't tell people to think again when your entire position is wrong on its face.
@thanatos101b You don't have a face to save, you never had one.
The US is in a debt like nobody else, the US has 50 Billion/month trade deficit, the US lost most of productive jobs to other countries, all in the course of 40 years since about Nixon.
US had great wealth collected after the WWII and its currency was reserve, so it could print and print and print without looking back, it was inflating the currencies of the world all by itself
So shut up, US inflation ate the lunch of the world
@romanmir01 Wait, weren't you leaving? Oh, like little yappy dog you can't. I do love your attempt at insult. I didn't comment on my face, so your insult makes no sense (much like your argument).
Now as for this, this entire post has literally nothing to do with what I posted. It doesn't answer a single question I raised, it doesn't refute a single point I made, it has zero relevance to anything. It is the perfect example of someone losing who is throwing a tantrum.
@romanmir01 Wow, you are so wonderfully deluded. Sorry, but take your supply side economic theory back to the jungle where it can rot with all the other false ideas such as geocentrism and voodoo. Lowing the taxes only generates money when they are lowered on the poor (and even then it doesn't generate as much as social programs like welfare).
And yes, the 19th century ended with the great depression, and no, the great depression was caused by the banks, specifically Goldman Sachs.
@romanmir01 It is sort of funny then how Keynesian ideas work and yours don't, isn't it? Why don't you compare the multiplyer effect on the economy of food stamps to tax cuts?
And your brain is pretty much non-existent. The real reason why you are leaving is because I have pretty thoroughly humiliated you. I mean, look at that Hail Mary last post you put up.
@thanatos101b The Great Depression and recession of 1920 were created by the Fed lax monetary policy (printing) and while 1920 recession was over in 1 year because US gov't cut 70% spending, the 1929 one became the Great Depression BECAUSE the US gov't decided to spend instead.
As to the dollar value in 1950s, you are ignorant. US dollar became the reserve after the WWII and US started printing in even more quantities than before.
US dollar lost value by factor of 20 in 20th century.
@thanatos101b Oh, one more thing: 19 century had the most economic growth in US, more than 20 if you count the way 19 started and finished and the way 20 started and finished.
Free market capitalist industrialization allowed enough wealth to be generated in 19 century that child labor and slavery became unnecessary in USA and the West.
Too bad meaningful education also became thing of the past in the 20th century.
@romanmir01 When you say "Good night" you should probably leave, not continue blathering on about things you absolutely have no clue about.
Such as child labor and slavery. If they had become "unnecessary" we wouldn't have fought wars and passed laws about them, now would we? Idiot.
And you are simply wrong about the economic growth. And stupidly since you are comparing a century to a decade. Oh, and the 1990's saw greater economic expansion than either.
@KungFuKing1916 Yes, yes they did. My, aren't you just generally ignorant and incompetent, simple simon. Although I love how this proves my entire point about public, honest discussion. Remember that scorn you had earlier, Bella? Well, looks like yet again you have to admit I was right about something. It must be frustrating that over and over again I keep whaling on you, or possibly you are just too stupid to realize that's what's happening. Which is it?
@KungFuKing1916 Eris, you are a moron. The economic cycle of which the majority of the 1800's existed in (lot of debate about when it began), ends with the Great Depression, Bella. Just like the economic cycle which the majority of the 20th century existed in ended either in 2001 or 2008 depending upon your view of the economy under the Bush tax cuts, dear one. Do I have to explain economic cycles to you, Darla? Eris, you are ignorant.
@thanatos101b do you dream of being like dr. cox from scrubs? fantastic over-simplification, you really have a talent for them, dont you? there were 7 recessions from 1899 to the Great Depression. care to explain how the "economic cycle" of the 1800s ended with the great depression?
@KungFuKing1916 Eris, you don't know shit about economics. Fantastic stupidity, you really have a talent for it, don't you? The cycle started around 1815 when a depression set in after the Napoleonic Wars, this lasted as one cycle until 1929. But I do love that you actually put "economic cycle" in quotes. It shows your complete ignorance about all matters economic. The very fact that you don't believe in economic cycles tells us all how massively stupid you are.
@KungFuKing1916 I see you are still putting bold faced ignorance up for everyone to see. Why, exactly, should I bother explaining simple, fundamental economic matters to you when you do not believe they exist? The very fact that you do not believe there is such a thing as an economic cycle just shows how woefully inadequate your knowledge and brainpower is for the task of understanding the world around you. It's gross.
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I wonder who the Soviet citizens blamed, when the Soviet Union crashed. While the communist were cutting back on government services because they were broke, did the Soviet citizen Sit around blaming the rich you think? Maybe there are no rich, it seems the Bolshevik/Zionist federal reserve now owns most the real estate and a good deal of the industry of the nation, the people I own nothing. Sound familiar?
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I like the way progressives talk of the rich, there are no rich, at least not in a capitalist sense, we live under Bolshevik/Zionist tyranny. There is just the power elite, who are not trying to get rich, they want to dominate the world, capture or very soul, that we should worship them. the Zionist/Bolsheviks are doing this, not the rich.
Well the proposal isn't as bad as it seems. What they're doing is lower the tax rate to what people actually pay anyway with all the deductions. They're also getting rid of a lot (if not all) the deductions those rich people will be able to use. I think its a good idea since they're simplifying the tax code. Also when social security started I think the average life expectancy was like 60 or something. So they're adjusting it back to be closer to that standard.
@Aaaaarrrrrrggghhh If by rich you mean you make more than 200k, that isn't exactly "rich". Chuck shumer has it right. It should be 1mil or above, however the Republicans have been ignored these past two years, so now they won't compromise on this issue. You reap what you sow. I wonder why this issue was dragged out to the last minute when it could have been addressed some time ago. It shows where the politicians priorities lie, and that is their political careers. Sad.
finally I hear the truth about something goïng on some years right now. class warfare by the rich using government and law to fight the poor into more poverty.
a total new ideology is deperately needed for capitalism outlaws itself by these practices.
The Rich are really dumb. You want to vote for a tax cut for the Rich, OK fine. Your going on the list.
Lets give a 20% tax cut for the Rich i'm serious! Gee I wonder what is going to happen to those who vote for that, after the consequences of that vote become apparent.
Some Republicans probably think "the list" is the one God is making for them to be saved, when self-fulfilled Armageddon happens :)
@achzdck , yes, the death tax. As Kid Rock once said "you are born free", but as soon as that birth certificate is signed, you become property of the state - he didn't say that last part. I haven't smoked weed in over 10 years. I think I might see how they look in my little tomato garden - stick it to the man. Unless, of course, code enforcement agenda 21 brown shorts come round trying to shut down my un-permitted farm
@achzdck Look, if you are going to try to provoke the reaction you wish, you have to appear semi-literate and semi-competent. Obviously you could never pull off semi-intelligent. Otherwise you wind up getting someone like me, one who uses your every troll tactic as an excuse to mock and belittle you.
@achzdck Blagh, blagh, blagh. You know this is false, you know it lacks any ability to be effective. You know this. Where's the creativity? Where's the joy in attempting something interesting?
@achzdck Oh, no I can and will mock you, since I am not a troll. Rather I am a rabid dog. I have no interest in provoking any reaction whatsoever from you.
See, look at this stupidity. Just going back to that old standard of sexuality. You know that's not going to work. It speaks to your immense stupidity.
@achzdck Really? This again? You are terrible at this. You know that I am neither playing along, nor getting offended. Instead I'm openly mocking you. Which means you have to keep switching. Nothing is worse than a troll who does not know when to throw up the white flag.
@achzdck And here I thought your sad little schtick was progressing. You know everything you say is false, so I'm calling you out, change it up! A troll needs to adapt and change.
@achzdck Aww, trying to go for the original tactic again? What a cheap theatrical trick. You know I destroyed this argument, it just makes you seem like a sub-intellect that you are incapable of ziging or zaging into fresh territory. Let's see something new and fun!
@achzdck I see you are having trouble working your keyboard. Here's how it works. You stop to think of the word you wish to type. Then you find the first letter of it on the keyboard and press it down. Then the second letter, and so on.
Next we might move on to how to use a calculator, but I do not want to cause you to develop a stress headache from moving too fast.
@achzdck And I see we move right on to the portion of tonight's festivities when you attempt to insult things you can't possibly know. Those aren't insults, those are, at best, manatee jokes. See, and insult is something like when I say, "you are so dumb that comparing your brain to a box of rocks would be deeply offensive to rocks everywhere." This is an insult because you and I and everyone else knows you are that dumb. You've demonstrated it. This, well this is just pathetic.
@achzdck Wow. Just pathetic. How sad are you that you immediately leap to trying to sexually objectify me. That really shows how you have issues with women. You must really hate yourself, in fact, I bet I made you cry. Mamma's little parasite.
In the future, going to the well of raving misogyny just makes you look oh, so pathetic.
@achzdck Wait, literally seconds ago, you said you were not going to respond to me anymore. How pathetic you are, parasite. You not only want other people's money, you want their lives too. Pathetic little parasite.
@achzdck Yes, that is not fair. They should be paying far less. Of course I do so love that you fail to acknowledge that I was right and you were wrong. I also love that you would have the temerity to call me "incoherent," aren't you just the little projector.
@achzdck Go right ahead and try. See, I pay my taxes, that means I have a police and military to defend me. You want them to sacrifice their lives for you, while not paying a cent, you filthy, blood-sucking parasite.
All you are, is a worthless parasite, sucking America dry and providing nothing in return but your own fecal matter. Seriously, you are dumb as dog shit.
@achzdck If you want other people's time and energy, crawl up their colon like the good little parasite you are. If you happened to be defending my money with your life, rather than demanding your fellow citizens defend your money with their lives without being willing to share the burden, I would gladly give you a portion of what you defend. Again, you are objectively, empirically wrong, idiot. The top 10% pay maybe 60% of taxes, which is lower than it should be. You have NO MORALITY PARASITE!
The Income tax on the rich WAS much higher in the "Good Old Days", but there were many write-offs which encouraged investment in small business. A common joke was, Q. "Why so Glum?" A. "My wife's flower shop made money this year, and we can't afford it."
Now "investors" are predators.
They don't want to invest, they want to take.
...and the innovator is put out to pasture, and the company turns to shit.
@achzdck Really? Care to show me where I lack logic? I can show your lack of logic and lack of coherent thought. In fact, you have not once responded to my primary comment. And I can defend taxes, anyone can. The problem is that you can't refute my defense, note how you haven't. Here, I'll repeat it: as soon as a person asks his fellow citizens to defend his property with their lives, he has to pay a portion of that property to them. PARASITE! You are a parasite of the lowest order!
@achzdck FALSE! At most they pay 60%, which is less than it should be. When you tell others to go check their facts, you had better actually have your facts right.
We've already gone the way of the Roman Empire. We are a crippled, barely functional nation with a group of robber barons trying to bilk the poor and middle class out of any chance at prosperity.
@achzdck I'm from Earth. I'm also from America. That's why, with our income tax brackets, filth like the Koch brothers are $250,000. Oh, and the wealthy aren't defending their property with their own lives. The minute the wealthy asked for other citizens to defend their property, they forfeited all rights to sole ownership.
And you sound like the European nobility right before the era of Revolution.
@achzdck Loving the caps lock of ire. Certainly makes you look as frothing mad as your ideas are.
Go right ahead. Apply for a loan. Given your questionable mental health and obvious idiocy, you won't get one. As long as you ask for the government to defend your property you owe a portion of that property to the government. As long as you ask your fellow citizens to die for your property, you owe a portion of that property to your fellow citizens. Move to Somalia and see how that works out.
@achzdck If you are 13 trillion dollars in debt, then you are broke. It is a rather simple concept. I gladly pay my fair share. I'll gladly pay more. But someone isn't paying their fair share, and that would be the class of people who have bought all the politicians. They have rigged the game and they deserve nothing.
Class warfare is happening right now, and the rich are winning. It is time for the poor to rise up and demand they carry their burden.
@achzdck On the moral ground that they are asking their fellow citizens to defend their property with their lives. Sorry, when you ask that, you have to pay more. I would snatch the last bit of bread from the wealthy parasites in this nation with glee. The Koch brothers do not deserve bread.
As for where it ends? It ends when everyone pays their fair share and has equal access to all. You should be ashamed of your defense of this scum.
@achzdck Oh God, I hope we are going the way of Spain, Portugal or Ireland, because it looks more like America is going the way of Guatemala, Uganda, or Angola. That's thanks to your idiotic capitalism.
Oh, and this is how taxes work. Everyone receives goods and services from the government. As the rich require more protection since they have more stuff, they must pay more. Since the poor do not have anything, they must receive more. Of course in America the reverse is true.
@achzdck Have you lost your mind? Apparently so. Seeing as how the internet bubble has absolutely zero relevance to the housing bubble. It isn't even a particularly good example as the internet bubble was based off an entirely new technology and customer service, while the housing bubble was based off of well understood principals. No one going into the internet bubble knew they were scamming anyone, everyone involved in the housing bubble knew it. So you are a moron on three separate levels.
This guy has a funny view of taxes. Tomorrow when I go to work, I'm going to steal $5 out of the cash register instead of $10. What can I say, I've got the Christmas spirit.
I was a glad the House took a vote so it was clear the Republicans wouldn't give a tax cut to the middle class unless the richest 2% gpt a MASSIVE TAX CUT.
@jag10 what? Cenk is owned by GE? because he works for them? so does your job own you? did your boss tell YOU to write this? Capital gains tax HARDLY effects the middle class, most class families only stocks are in 401ks and dont get taxed until the go into anyways. The deficit commission is slamming the middle class wich is WHY Cenk hates it so damn much and myself. all your doing is repeating spin, my views cross the political broad from issue 2 issue but yr just in it hook line & sinker
MSLSD hired Cenk for his ability to polarize. They hired a persona which now attacks opposition 90% of air time. Cenk is a good company man and will be rewarded soon.
Anyway, cap gains is a market tax targeting middle class ability to accumulate wealth. The estate tax targets middle class ability to preserve generational wealth. Tax code should be simplified, FED should be dismantled.
FED and SEC chairmen should be elected positions.
End the welfare state, and charitable orgs will flourish.
@jag10 what middle class has capital gains tax issues? only upper middle class&yeah i dont consider 250,000 a crazy amount of money&i'm for a simpler tax code(as is Cenk)but the tax code would be less on the upper middle class(250,000 would be in the 20's) but the upper upper would get taxed MUCH more. I've always said up to 50k capital gains should be low any capital gains over that would be income&i 'd get rid of double taxation. I'm NOT in favor of welfare but in our current system its needed
@MadeInIndia2006 , well, you could end the tyranny of the FED abruptly, but that would be a scary situation and logically aint gonna happen. You'd see soldiers on street corners as a result of Congress even talking about it, with any weight behind it.
No secret that the FED (foreign central banking consortium) control much more than just financial policy. It might? be dismantled through transparency (elected oversight), with proper control mechanism behind it, like a temp alternative currency.
@jag10 It is rather funny you would say this... on a video where Cenk is overtly attacking the establishment. Reality and you have never met, have they?
@thanatos101b ok, I'll bite. You have an "establishment", there are two sides, like two poles leaning against each other. If one of those poles should waver, both sides fall. It takes a certain balance.
Ok, hope I didn't lose ya - it is abstract.
Anyway, add another pole (substantial size), to those two existing poles and the "establishment" falls.
Now, relate that to news media, corporations, and American politics.
@jag10 Sorry, but that is, as they say, an impossibility. You can only have the establishment and everything that is not the establishment. At best you are describing the 1984 scenario where Big Brother controls both the party and the Brotherhood. Or it is today, where corporations and the wealthy control both the Democrats and the Republicans. Which of course means, as I said, there is only one establishment. You can't have two, it is a functional impossibility.
@jag10 Of course, in this instance, you are drowning in a creek completely without a paddle. Since the establishment wants us to believe there is a difference between Republicans and Democrats, and Cenk attacks both for being corrupted. An establishment only wants polarized views on things that do not matter, such as marriage equality, they want everyone to be good corporate citizens. Which is why they instantly corrupted those poor, stupid tea party people.
@thanatos101b establishment doesn't care what people think. that is the beauty with a left/right polarized paradigm. Both sides can throw some truth out there (straw bail treats)., but the machine rolls on. Tea party - progressives another polarized stick house.
@jag10 How wonderfully false. If the establishment didn't care what people think, then they wouldn't spend so much time and energy into making sure people didn't think.
As always, everything you believe is empirically false, and absurd on its face.
Over 95% of these TYT videos are polarizing and deceptive.
The sheep are going to be slaughtered.
Recap:
The unemployed who pay no effective tax.
The middle class earner is taxed at 3x the rate as the gal working at McDonalds.
The rich avoid tax by sheltering taxable income.
global corps negotiate their rate.
This rant and the rant of progressives are attacking the middle class ability (and future ability) to create wealth. These A holes are cheering for a death tax to save the country???
@jag10 did he say death tax & death tax doesnt help middle class families, it helps the uber rich. The amount a middle class family pays on a 250,000 house is small
i would not only vote for him again, but campaign for him again if obama came out and calle the report a steming pile of shit... somehow i think i will be oddly free come november 2012
OK, let's get these two myths out in the open and end this debate. INCOME tax cuts for the rich DO NOT help in creating jobs nor does it help economical growth. Tax cuts for corporations and businesses, while seemingly unethical and unfair, DO create jobs and help economical growth. Both of the statements have been PROVEN in our own history. I don't want to see GE or some other giant pay less taxes, but let's give it a try, let's do a trial run, lower biz taxes, raise income taxes on the rich.
@lennydiko "cenk is equivelent to Bill Oreilly" You have lost all credibility with this statement. You might as well delete your youtube account and start over.
The government is a tool of the PTB, the top 200 families that no longer have any use for the rest of us. They are currently engineering a civil war to have us kill each other off - to make more room for themselves. You can be left or right, it doesn't matter to them. You will soon be food for the crows...
You know what else would have gotten us a trillion dollars in 10 years.... the Public Option.... defense spending and taxes for rich... that's already three point something trillion dollars....
NOOOO OK I REALLY don't like this new TYT set..... When Cenk yelled out for Jayar he looked the WRONG WAY... How am I supposed to deal with this kind of craziness... Now I can't even tell when Cenk looks up to Jayar for approval after talking about race!!!
Next time someone says welfare recipiants are lazy I will say NO they are just benifitting from the sme shit the really rich are... Seems like welfare is the only sucker free path to take unless you're mega rich!
If u want surplus and to balance the budget you have to make the money come from somewhere. The middle class consumes the most therefore cut their taxes (or leave their rates alone) and raise the taxes on those that are rich. Raise the bar of "rich" to 500k INCOME as a compromise with stupid repubs but remember that it's income we care about. Cut military spending as well and since only 5% of Americans actually receive it, raise the inheritance tax rate as well. This will create billions to he
@ecwaufisxtreme Taxes on the rich income are not too high, they are actually too low. To create surplus you cut spending like I said (military spending), and raise taxes on the rich. Use your brain, spend less while making more = surplus. I'll say it again, spend less (cut military spending) + make more (let bush tax cuts run out) = More Money and eventual surplus.
@ecwaufisxtreme False. Taxes are the lowest they've been since WWII, lowering taxes actually takes money out of the economy (an empirical fact) it does not generate money. MASSIVE SPENDING adds to the economy, and generates money.
This recession is caused by BIG GOVT DEMS! The only way for this economy to complete recover is to enact Palinomics and have a much reduced govt comprised entirely of conservative white women lead by Sarah Palin get out of the economy's way.
Agree with Cenk 99%, but to be fair, if a Republican commissioned a report or group and then looked at it when it landed on his desk and said "fuck this, I'm not doing it", we'd all be pretty pissed.
The point is that he should have put the right commission together in the first place.
We NEED President Palin for she will help the middle class with Palinomics! Palinomics will give EVERYBODY jobs! Unemployment will be DOWN TO ZERO in the Palination!
The government need to realize that the middle class IS the economy. Wealthy people don't spend much money. Where middle class people spend more. The more that they spend, the more money gets circulated into the economy, the more jobs will become available. The rich need their taxes RAISED!
NOBODY should have their taxes raised, RICH or POOR! America is WAY OVERTAXED RIGHT NOW and we NEED President Sarah Palin to completely cut taxes across the whole board while making even more spending cuts. She will ELIMINATE Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare, Food Stamps, Unemployment, Vet Care and ALL liberal social PORK programs! She will OUST all the CZARS and eliminate all the SUPERFLUOUS depts such as the Dept of Education!
@ecwaufisxtreme I know I shouldn't be feeding a troll but here goes:
If you cut Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid etc etc what do you think the people who rely on these programs will do. Either A - lay down and die quietly out of the way or B - Find other ways of obtaining the things they need such as theft, begging, prostitution etc etc.
The best answer to a problem always lies somewhere in the middle, I guess determining where the middle is tends to be the hard thing to do.
@ecwaufisxtreme and then she vill have social unrest, more crime and drugs and turn the country into another Zimbawe. Are u ignorant, stupid, Cynical och brainwashed?
@ecwaufisxtreme It's obvious that the department of education has done you no good, as it has failed most republicans. No wonder the right wing wants it gone.
America's education will be VASTLY SUPERIOR if it was COMPLETELY PRIVATIZED! Public Education is CRAP and must go! President Palin will have it eliminated!
@ecwaufisxtreme I actually want what you said, but I doubt that Palin would do all of it. She would eliminate social security, medicare, medicaid, welfare, food stamps, unemployment, vet care, education, and pretty much everything that made America great during the 60s, but instead of eliminating pork and czars she would appoint her friends and relatives to czar positions and give pork to her friends in corporations. She will also eliminate taxes on those making over 500k and tax the rest at 90%
There is no incentive for the wealthy to care about the rest of the population. So they will do anything they can to maintain their wealth and well being. This is what the system produces.
We need President Palin for she will cut taxes across the whole board and she will create MASSIVE surpluses surpassing Clinton! She will completely cut all liberal pork OUT of our govt budget including Social Security, Medicare, Welfare, Medicaid, Unemployment, Vet Care and all lib social programs! Even Dept of Education will be shut down along with ALL public education!
Yeah, I heard this cut defended on O'Donnell's lame MSNBC show. Kent "sellout" Conrad said that the proposals eliminate the multiple deductions rich people have. Heh, heh. If you believe that bullshit I have a bridge to nowhere for sale. Does President Pocket Change--a fuckin' Republican no matter what the redneck idiots think--really believe his weak-ass administration is gonna eliminate rich fuck wad tax loopholes? Give me a break. Fuck you, Obama.
God damn. How stupid are we Americans? We have to go through this shit TWICE in less than a century? We are seriously going to let poor houses come back, 16 hour work days just to feed ourselves before we decide this doesn't work? When the wealthy have control of the vast amount of wealth, it does not "trickle-down". Sigh....people can be so self-centered...
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BlackRepublican2010 7 months ago
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I been pushing this for years and if we all pull together and contact our govt officilas by using the link and letter form on my blog this alone will put us back in surplus in 6 months time !
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senseblogger 8 months ago
I'm fired up too! Bastards!
vtwzy 10 months ago
Cenk is a fool, this video wasted 5 minutes of my valuable time.
intrepidorator 11 months ago
Someone needs to speak up and stand up for the middle class. And I don't understand Republicans. Their very idea is for the riches.
dongwlim 11 months ago
@dongwlim Ill try to explain it to you. (1) do the poor provide jobs? no. (2) Can the wealthy provide jobs if the govt takes all of the money from the wealthy? no (3) The democrats want you to rely on govt for your needs so they can count on your vote. People vote for their own best interest, therefore those that rely on welfare vote for the party that has enslaved them with welfare. (4) Some vote Republican because of religion,Dems support killing babies but not murderers. Reverse that for Reps
intrepidorator 11 months ago
1. Corporations are owned and run by people - not just the rich
2. When you increase corporate tax, companies have LESS money to invest in R&D (jobs), LESS money for educating employees, LESS money to hire new employees, LESS money for raises and incentives, LESS money for shareholder dividends.
3. When taxes are flat or lowered, employees will benefit; they will spend more money, helping the economy. How is this bad? Cenk needs to think about this a bit more.
morpheus3001 1 year ago
@morpheus3001
It's all well and fine when those companies invest in employers and RD, but you fail to take into account the very few fat cats who get an obscene amount of money, I'm speaking hundreds of millions...You libertarians and communists have an incomplete view as to how the world really works.
TurboDally 11 months ago
@TurboDally
Conservative capitalist, actually. Liberals like to raise corporate taxes, which force companies to offshore labour. Communists destroy free trade and capitalist democracies. Where does that leave you? On Jupiter?
morpheus3001 11 months ago
sometimes i do not know who is right republicans say they best liberals say they are without some middle ground all can agree on we are always going to have problems.
johndebbra 1 year ago
@johndebbra When good and evil compromise, only evil profits. Ayn Rand said this many decades ago.
Let me provide an anology to explain my point.
A town marshal wants to protect everyone in his town, but a killer wants to kill everyone. Does the Marshal compromise and allow the killer to kill half of the people or does he draw a line in the sand and prevent any killing. This is an extreme example, but it illustrates the point clearly. When good compromises with evil, only evil profits.
intrepidorator 11 months ago
@intrepidorator Thing is, in your analogy, if the Marshal fails in their efforts to stop the killer (eg they're killed), then everyone in the town dies, wheras only half the town is killed if compromised. Good did gain something. Agreed that in this scenario the Marshal should make a stand, but it is not as clear-cut as saying evil always profits in compromise. If good doesn't have the strength to enforce, then a compromise maybe the only option.
dreamcattcher1 10 months ago
@dreamcattcher1 OK, but what about the case, for example when Good has the power, for example, the house republicans have the power to force Obama into making real cuts in the budget. In this case, the repubs in the house MUST force Obama to do the right thing and save the countrys economy. In my opinion, Obama doesnt want a free market capitalist economy, he wants a quasi-socialist economy, as proven by his take over of GM and student loans, and the health insurance, and everthing else he could
intrepidorator 10 months ago
Flat tax FTW!!!
blackashell13 1 year ago
Just know that when one of the 85% of Americans below the 15% uber-rich people-not American-vote for a government of big, deregulated business and believe that that government of big business is working on your behalf, you just might as well wear a sign around your neck stating: " I AM A FOOL".
octaviaaugustus1950 1 year ago
@octaviaaugustus1950 The reason that most tax cuts help the wealthy is because the wealthy pay most of the taxes. How can the bottom 50% of the population get a tax cut when they pay $0 in taxes. Of course the top 15% get the biggest tax break they pay more than 80% of the taxes. Tax breaks free up money for the free market, taxes gather money to the govt, The free market creates jobs, the govt creates welfare recipients. Clinton and a repub congress reformed welfare and this created a surplus.
intrepidorator 11 months ago
We all ultimately work for the rich so that when we and them are taxed it helps pay for the society(social security, mail, roads, police, emergency, education) that we all know. Apparently it seems that those in high places don't seem to value these things anymore or those in a "higher society" are indifferent to the society where ultimately there wealth is generated and sustained by the toil of the common man. Without the common masses there would be no wealth. So who's actually being taxed?
athews1976 1 year ago
So when does the revolution start? I'm Canadian, but it will still be interesting to watch. I feel that I'm watching the fall of an empire. If that is the case, the economy being as global as it is, half the world will go down with the US. Scary times right now.
Swidhelm 1 year ago
@Swidhelm Yes... i wonder if the United States people will rebel, Will it be a bloody revolution like the Russian revolution, Or something more civil and democratic? who knows...?
AlwiShahab1 1 year ago
@AlwiShahab1 As much as I'd like to say peaceful I can see things getting violent. Especially when you listen to the rehtoric of the right right now. But who knows. I hope that if there is a revolution of some sort it is much more diplomatic and that no one is killed. And I hope it happens before the world economy crashes. I don't want to be homeless and just trying to survive because of neocolonialism and exploitation in USA. Who knows. We shall see.
Swidhelm 1 year ago
@Swidhelm There isn't going to be a revolution. As in the initial revolution, there are sissies that sit on the fence, risking nothing, afterwards the cowards emerge claiming, "I'm with you"- the winners. When John Kennedy won office, he won by a very, very narrow margin; when he died, the majority claimed to have voted for him. Finally, Americans are soft, they can't take an armed revolt, it will cut into Monday night football; Dancing With the Stars or even getting dirty fingernails.
octaviaaugustus1950 1 year ago
@octaviaaugustus1950 When George Washington fought the British, he and the founding fathers and patriots laid it ALL on the line. Born and raised here, he owned a vast amount of land and was rich. Most of all, he possessed a character not found in America anymore. Most especially among the rich. If the Revolution had failed, he would have been hung; if he escaped, he and his family would have had to flee to France. Today, Americans fight for freedom elsewhere, but won't fight for themselves.
octaviaaugustus1950 1 year ago
Democrats do everything they can to drive businesses out of the country and Republicans do everything they can to drive ordinary citizens out of the county. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
j1a2r34 1 year ago
My God it is bad over there...
Joshua001A 1 year ago
I hate this fat pig idiotic moron.
thincow12 1 year ago
lol, the money is coming from a class of citizens that doesn't exist in the US anymore lol.
regtracker 1 year ago
@genie0390
The early 1900's and exactly how long did it take the depression era to kick in?
1920's wasn't it? Sounds like what your talking about pretty much destroyed the economy.
The Rich are still resorting to all kinds of tax evasions.....
gumbo2 1 year ago
All income taxes must go away, all payroll taxes must go away, all gov't spending must go away.
romanmir01 1 year ago
@romanmir01 Yes! Because without government we would have a beautiful utopia... just like Somalia. Tell us about how great Somalia is!
thanatos101b 1 year ago
@thanatos101b Maybe you should look back at US in 19 century, when the dollar value was actually growing, when US was increasing its production and wealth, when US created the middle class.
Now US is more like Zimbabwe than like Somalia, soon enough all that money you'll be wheeling around in a barrow, you would have to keep an eye on it when you go to a store, so that nobody throws the money on the ground and steals the wheel barrow.
romanmir01 1 year ago
@romanmir01 Why not look back at the mid-century (the 1950's) when the dollar was actually growing, when the US was increasing its production and wealth and the US created the middle class. Also the wealthy were taxed in the 90% range, over 35% of Americans were in unions, and most manufacturing was home-grown. Remember how the 19th century ended? We call it the Great Depression. Oh, and the 19th century was a hell hole of genocide, child labor, and massive poverty.
thanatos101b 1 year ago
@thanatos101b In the fifties the USA didn't create a middle class, it got blue collar workers to such a high standard of living by fluke of the war and post-war reality, in which all economic competitors to US were destroyed and US was the only one supplying the world with consumer goods. So think again, that is not going to happen unless there is another war, in which all producer nations are destroyed somehow and US is left to rebuild the wealth.
That's unlikely.;
romanmir01 1 year ago
@romanmir01 Yes, yes it did. See, the (non-existent) middle and upper classes were destroyed during the great depression. The ending of the great depression created a high degree of social mobility. And if it was a "fluke" why, exactly, did that continue unabated until either the 1980's or the 2000's (depending on your opinion of when it ended).
Don't tell people to think again when your entire position is wrong on its face.
thanatos101b 1 year ago
@thanatos101b You don't have a face to save, you never had one.
The US is in a debt like nobody else, the US has 50 Billion/month trade deficit, the US lost most of productive jobs to other countries, all in the course of 40 years since about Nixon.
US had great wealth collected after the WWII and its currency was reserve, so it could print and print and print without looking back, it was inflating the currencies of the world all by itself
So shut up, US inflation ate the lunch of the world
romanmir01 1 year ago
@romanmir01 Wait, weren't you leaving? Oh, like little yappy dog you can't. I do love your attempt at insult. I didn't comment on my face, so your insult makes no sense (much like your argument).
Now as for this, this entire post has literally nothing to do with what I posted. It doesn't answer a single question I raised, it doesn't refute a single point I made, it has zero relevance to anything. It is the perfect example of someone losing who is throwing a tantrum.
thanatos101b 1 year ago
@thanatos101b As to the myth of 90% taxes - the effective tax rate, you want to look at that.
It was UNDER 24%. Nobody in their right mind was paying more. In fact, the US gov't got more money out of taxes when they lowered the rate.
The 19 century didn't end with Great Depression, it ended with gov't usurping the power and creating the Fed.
The Fed caused the recessions of 1920 and 1929 and later ones, but in 1920 US gov't cut spending by 70% and recession was over in 1 YEAR.
romanmir01 1 year ago
@romanmir01 Wow, you are so wonderfully deluded. Sorry, but take your supply side economic theory back to the jungle where it can rot with all the other false ideas such as geocentrism and voodoo. Lowing the taxes only generates money when they are lowered on the poor (and even then it doesn't generate as much as social programs like welfare).
And yes, the 19th century ended with the great depression, and no, the great depression was caused by the banks, specifically Goldman Sachs.
thanatos101b 1 year ago
@thanatos101b Voodoo is Keynesian ideas - shamanism actually.
You are pretty much a lost case and I need my sleep, bye bye.
romanmir01 1 year ago
@romanmir01 It is sort of funny then how Keynesian ideas work and yours don't, isn't it? Why don't you compare the multiplyer effect on the economy of food stamps to tax cuts?
And your brain is pretty much non-existent. The real reason why you are leaving is because I have pretty thoroughly humiliated you. I mean, look at that Hail Mary last post you put up.
thanatos101b 1 year ago
@thanatos101b The Great Depression and recession of 1920 were created by the Fed lax monetary policy (printing) and while 1920 recession was over in 1 year because US gov't cut 70% spending, the 1929 one became the Great Depression BECAUSE the US gov't decided to spend instead.
As to the dollar value in 1950s, you are ignorant. US dollar became the reserve after the WWII and US started printing in even more quantities than before.
US dollar lost value by factor of 20 in 20th century.
romanmir01 1 year ago
@thanatos101b In the 19 century, the US dollar gained value by a factor of 2.
In fact prices were constantly falling in the 19 century. In 20th they were constantly rising.
US Fed had one mandate: price stability. Don't you find that hilarious?
Good night.
romanmir01 1 year ago
@romanmir01 Yes, prices do fall when manufacturing begins to replace hand crafting. Prices also fell after the black death.
Not as hilarious as I find your mindless grubbing around for a point.
thanatos101b 1 year ago
@thanatos101b Oh, one more thing: 19 century had the most economic growth in US, more than 20 if you count the way 19 started and finished and the way 20 started and finished.
Free market capitalist industrialization allowed enough wealth to be generated in 19 century that child labor and slavery became unnecessary in USA and the West.
Too bad meaningful education also became thing of the past in the 20th century.
Now good night.
romanmir01 1 year ago
@romanmir01 When you say "Good night" you should probably leave, not continue blathering on about things you absolutely have no clue about.
Such as child labor and slavery. If they had become "unnecessary" we wouldn't have fought wars and passed laws about them, now would we? Idiot.
And you are simply wrong about the economic growth. And stupidly since you are comparing a century to a decade. Oh, and the 1990's saw greater economic expansion than either.
thanatos101b 1 year ago
@thanatos101b wow, i jus saw this too. the 1800s ended with the great depression?? dayumm son
KungFuKing1916 1 year ago
@KungFuKing1916 Yes, yes they did. My, aren't you just generally ignorant and incompetent, simple simon. Although I love how this proves my entire point about public, honest discussion. Remember that scorn you had earlier, Bella? Well, looks like yet again you have to admit I was right about something. It must be frustrating that over and over again I keep whaling on you, or possibly you are just too stupid to realize that's what's happening. Which is it?
thanatos101b 1 year ago
@thanatos101b the 1800s ended January 1st, 1900. the great depression started after the stock market crash in 1929
KungFuKing1916 1 year ago
@KungFuKing1916 Eris, you are a moron. The economic cycle of which the majority of the 1800's existed in (lot of debate about when it began), ends with the Great Depression, Bella. Just like the economic cycle which the majority of the 20th century existed in ended either in 2001 or 2008 depending upon your view of the economy under the Bush tax cuts, dear one. Do I have to explain economic cycles to you, Darla? Eris, you are ignorant.
thanatos101b 1 year ago
@thanatos101b do you dream of being like dr. cox from scrubs? fantastic over-simplification, you really have a talent for them, dont you? there were 7 recessions from 1899 to the Great Depression. care to explain how the "economic cycle" of the 1800s ended with the great depression?
KungFuKing1916 1 year ago
@KungFuKing1916 Eris, you don't know shit about economics. Fantastic stupidity, you really have a talent for it, don't you? The cycle started around 1815 when a depression set in after the Napoleonic Wars, this lasted as one cycle until 1929. But I do love that you actually put "economic cycle" in quotes. It shows your complete ignorance about all matters economic. The very fact that you don't believe in economic cycles tells us all how massively stupid you are.
thanatos101b 1 year ago
@thanatos101b care to explain how the "economic cycle" of the 1800s ended with the great depression?
KungFuKing1916 1 year ago
@KungFuKing1916 I see you are still putting bold faced ignorance up for everyone to see. Why, exactly, should I bother explaining simple, fundamental economic matters to you when you do not believe they exist? The very fact that you do not believe there is such a thing as an economic cycle just shows how woefully inadequate your knowledge and brainpower is for the task of understanding the world around you. It's gross.
thanatos101b 1 year ago
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@thanatos101b so you cant explain it to me? so you dont know?
also, respond to this: there's no evidence of countries demanding their money back
at no point, did i ever admit you were right because this whole time you've been wrong, you know it. you owe me an apology for being retarded
i'm waiting for your apology
KungFuKing1916 1 year ago
Lets make like France and Revolt D:<
VIVA LA REVOLUTION!
billybatson55 1 year ago
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@billybatson55 VIVA LA REVOLUCION!
whatdoyouwantandwhy 1 year ago
our pain has always been their gain
Flameamaryllis 1 year ago
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And one other thing I noticed, they are not building Nazi style concentration camps, they are building Soviet style gulags.
mauiportal 1 year ago
disaster in Russia
watch?v=I2Tt0T9gcIs&feature=sub
MENTIkosli 1 year ago
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I wonder who the Soviet citizens blamed, when the Soviet Union crashed. While the communist were cutting back on government services because they were broke, did the Soviet citizen Sit around blaming the rich you think? Maybe there are no rich, it seems the Bolshevik/Zionist federal reserve now owns most the real estate and a good deal of the industry of the nation, the people I own nothing. Sound familiar?
mauiportal 1 year ago
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I like the way progressives talk of the rich, there are no rich, at least not in a capitalist sense, we live under Bolshevik/Zionist tyranny. There is just the power elite, who are not trying to get rich, they want to dominate the world, capture or very soul, that we should worship them. the Zionist/Bolsheviks are doing this, not the rich.
mauiportal 1 year ago
Well the proposal isn't as bad as it seems. What they're doing is lower the tax rate to what people actually pay anyway with all the deductions. They're also getting rid of a lot (if not all) the deductions those rich people will be able to use. I think its a good idea since they're simplifying the tax code. Also when social security started I think the average life expectancy was like 60 or something. So they're adjusting it back to be closer to that standard.
Yewon2001 1 year ago
all taxes are too high
nottinmatterz2day 1 year ago
The top 1% now own 45% of the country's financial wealth.
They have received massive tax cuts over the past 9 yrs - yet created no new jobs.
Insanity is....
DillonDee1 1 year ago
Its good to be rich in the USA.
Aaaaarrrrrrggghhh 1 year ago
@Aaaaarrrrrrggghhh If by rich you mean you make more than 200k, that isn't exactly "rich". Chuck shumer has it right. It should be 1mil or above, however the Republicans have been ignored these past two years, so now they won't compromise on this issue. You reap what you sow. I wonder why this issue was dragged out to the last minute when it could have been addressed some time ago. It shows where the politicians priorities lie, and that is their political careers. Sad.
ladylordess 1 year ago
finally I hear the truth about something goïng on some years right now. class warfare by the rich using government and law to fight the poor into more poverty.
a total new ideology is deperately needed for capitalism outlaws itself by these practices.
HELP THE RICH !!!!
envanje 1 year ago
I demand a riot in every city in every state!
LastOptionPils 1 year ago 2
@achzdck , sorry, thought we were hitting it off and could have led to something.
I wouldn't have ruined her or forced her to bear my child or anything...
Cuz where I wuz going... she aint gettin' pregnant.
jag10 1 year ago
The Rich are really dumb. You want to vote for a tax cut for the Rich, OK fine. Your going on the list.
Lets give a 20% tax cut for the Rich i'm serious! Gee I wonder what is going to happen to those who vote for that, after the consequences of that vote become apparent.
Some Republicans probably think "the list" is the one God is making for them to be saved, when self-fulfilled Armageddon happens :)
:P
Joxman2k 1 year ago
@achzdck , yes, the death tax. As Kid Rock once said "you are born free", but as soon as that birth certificate is signed, you become property of the state - he didn't say that last part. I haven't smoked weed in over 10 years. I think I might see how they look in my little tomato garden - stick it to the man. Unless, of course, code enforcement agenda 21 brown shorts come round trying to shut down my un-permitted farm
jag10 1 year ago
@achzdck Look, if you are going to try to provoke the reaction you wish, you have to appear semi-literate and semi-competent. Obviously you could never pull off semi-intelligent. Otherwise you wind up getting someone like me, one who uses your every troll tactic as an excuse to mock and belittle you.
Learn something!
thanatos101b 1 year ago
@achzdck Blagh, blagh, blagh. You know this is false, you know it lacks any ability to be effective. You know this. Where's the creativity? Where's the joy in attempting something interesting?
This is just pathetic.
thanatos101b 1 year ago
@achzdck Oh, no I can and will mock you, since I am not a troll. Rather I am a rabid dog. I have no interest in provoking any reaction whatsoever from you.
See, look at this stupidity. Just going back to that old standard of sexuality. You know that's not going to work. It speaks to your immense stupidity.
thanatos101b 1 year ago
@achzdck Really? This again? You are terrible at this. You know that I am neither playing along, nor getting offended. Instead I'm openly mocking you. Which means you have to keep switching. Nothing is worse than a troll who does not know when to throw up the white flag.
thanatos101b 1 year ago
@achzdck And here I thought your sad little schtick was progressing. You know everything you say is false, so I'm calling you out, change it up! A troll needs to adapt and change.
Quit being such a pathetic slouch.
thanatos101b 1 year ago
@achzdck Aww, trying to go for the original tactic again? What a cheap theatrical trick. You know I destroyed this argument, it just makes you seem like a sub-intellect that you are incapable of ziging or zaging into fresh territory. Let's see something new and fun!
thanatos101b 1 year ago
@achzdck I see you are having trouble working your keyboard. Here's how it works. You stop to think of the word you wish to type. Then you find the first letter of it on the keyboard and press it down. Then the second letter, and so on.
Next we might move on to how to use a calculator, but I do not want to cause you to develop a stress headache from moving too fast.
thanatos101b 1 year ago
@achzdck And I see we move right on to the portion of tonight's festivities when you attempt to insult things you can't possibly know. Those aren't insults, those are, at best, manatee jokes. See, and insult is something like when I say, "you are so dumb that comparing your brain to a box of rocks would be deeply offensive to rocks everywhere." This is an insult because you and I and everyone else knows you are that dumb. You've demonstrated it. This, well this is just pathetic.
thanatos101b 1 year ago
@achzdck Wow. Just pathetic. How sad are you that you immediately leap to trying to sexually objectify me. That really shows how you have issues with women. You must really hate yourself, in fact, I bet I made you cry. Mamma's little parasite.
In the future, going to the well of raving misogyny just makes you look oh, so pathetic.
thanatos101b 1 year ago
Reverse Robinhood? Is that like Reverse Cowgirl?
Faladrin 1 year ago 2
@achzdck Wait, literally seconds ago, you said you were not going to respond to me anymore. How pathetic you are, parasite. You not only want other people's money, you want their lives too. Pathetic little parasite.
thanatos101b 1 year ago
@achzdck Yes, that is not fair. They should be paying far less. Of course I do so love that you fail to acknowledge that I was right and you were wrong. I also love that you would have the temerity to call me "incoherent," aren't you just the little projector.
Anywho, enjoy being a parasite.
thanatos101b 1 year ago
@achzdck Go right ahead and try. See, I pay my taxes, that means I have a police and military to defend me. You want them to sacrifice their lives for you, while not paying a cent, you filthy, blood-sucking parasite.
All you are, is a worthless parasite, sucking America dry and providing nothing in return but your own fecal matter. Seriously, you are dumb as dog shit.
thanatos101b 1 year ago
@achzdck If you want other people's time and energy, crawl up their colon like the good little parasite you are. If you happened to be defending my money with your life, rather than demanding your fellow citizens defend your money with their lives without being willing to share the burden, I would gladly give you a portion of what you defend. Again, you are objectively, empirically wrong, idiot. The top 10% pay maybe 60% of taxes, which is lower than it should be. You have NO MORALITY PARASITE!
thanatos101b 1 year ago
@achzdck Haha! You really are a moron. TYT is a private business. If it looses, he looses. No golden parachutes at all.
And yes, I have proven you are a fool. Perhaps you might be able to develop a coherent world view in the future.
thanatos101b 1 year ago
The Income tax on the rich WAS much higher in the "Good Old Days", but there were many write-offs which encouraged investment in small business. A common joke was, Q. "Why so Glum?" A. "My wife's flower shop made money this year, and we can't afford it."
Now "investors" are predators.
They don't want to invest, they want to take.
...and the innovator is put out to pasture, and the company turns to shit.
PRIVATEAYEIEYE 1 year ago
@achzdck Really? Care to show me where I lack logic? I can show your lack of logic and lack of coherent thought. In fact, you have not once responded to my primary comment. And I can defend taxes, anyone can. The problem is that you can't refute my defense, note how you haven't. Here, I'll repeat it: as soon as a person asks his fellow citizens to defend his property with their lives, he has to pay a portion of that property to them. PARASITE! You are a parasite of the lowest order!
thanatos101b 1 year ago
@achzdck FALSE! At most they pay 60%, which is less than it should be. When you tell others to go check their facts, you had better actually have your facts right.
We've already gone the way of the Roman Empire. We are a crippled, barely functional nation with a group of robber barons trying to bilk the poor and middle class out of any chance at prosperity.
Stop being so idiotic.
thanatos101b 1 year ago
@achzdck I'm from Earth. I'm also from America. That's why, with our income tax brackets, filth like the Koch brothers are $250,000. Oh, and the wealthy aren't defending their property with their own lives. The minute the wealthy asked for other citizens to defend their property, they forfeited all rights to sole ownership.
And you sound like the European nobility right before the era of Revolution.
thanatos101b 1 year ago
@achzdck Loving the caps lock of ire. Certainly makes you look as frothing mad as your ideas are.
Go right ahead. Apply for a loan. Given your questionable mental health and obvious idiocy, you won't get one. As long as you ask for the government to defend your property you owe a portion of that property to the government. As long as you ask your fellow citizens to die for your property, you owe a portion of that property to your fellow citizens. Move to Somalia and see how that works out.
thanatos101b 1 year ago
@achzdck If you are 13 trillion dollars in debt, then you are broke. It is a rather simple concept. I gladly pay my fair share. I'll gladly pay more. But someone isn't paying their fair share, and that would be the class of people who have bought all the politicians. They have rigged the game and they deserve nothing.
Class warfare is happening right now, and the rich are winning. It is time for the poor to rise up and demand they carry their burden.
thanatos101b 1 year ago
@achzdck On the moral ground that they are asking their fellow citizens to defend their property with their lives. Sorry, when you ask that, you have to pay more. I would snatch the last bit of bread from the wealthy parasites in this nation with glee. The Koch brothers do not deserve bread.
As for where it ends? It ends when everyone pays their fair share and has equal access to all. You should be ashamed of your defense of this scum.
thanatos101b 1 year ago
@achzdck Oh God, I hope we are going the way of Spain, Portugal or Ireland, because it looks more like America is going the way of Guatemala, Uganda, or Angola. That's thanks to your idiotic capitalism.
Oh, and this is how taxes work. Everyone receives goods and services from the government. As the rich require more protection since they have more stuff, they must pay more. Since the poor do not have anything, they must receive more. Of course in America the reverse is true.
thanatos101b 1 year ago
@achzdck Have you lost your mind? Apparently so. Seeing as how the internet bubble has absolutely zero relevance to the housing bubble. It isn't even a particularly good example as the internet bubble was based off an entirely new technology and customer service, while the housing bubble was based off of well understood principals. No one going into the internet bubble knew they were scamming anyone, everyone involved in the housing bubble knew it. So you are a moron on three separate levels.
thanatos101b 1 year ago
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obamas making a serious challenge to bush's title of 'the worst president in history'.
dudeeful1 1 year ago
obamas making a serious challenge to bush's title of 'the worse president in history'.
dudeeful1 1 year ago
This guy has a funny view of taxes. Tomorrow when I go to work, I'm going to steal $5 out of the cash register instead of $10. What can I say, I've got the Christmas spirit.
hodoprime 1 year ago
I was a glad the House took a vote so it was clear the Republicans wouldn't give a tax cut to the middle class unless the richest 2% gpt a MASSIVE TAX CUT.
DillonDee1 1 year ago
I love u cenk! Can u run fir president? thanks <3
meghamuck18 1 year ago
You mean to tell me entitlements aren't free?!?!
thereinliestherib 1 year ago
Cenk is owned by GE, which is essentially a bank that pushes for social programming and social tech. They were bailed out by the FED.
He will defend the current establishment, even if his personal tax rate goes up.
Taxing capital gains as ordinary income essentially transfers more middle class wealth to the banks - using the government as a collector.
Obama is a great deceiver.
Cenk, only a little bit, he gets away with what he can.
jag10 1 year ago
@jag10 what? Cenk is owned by GE? because he works for them? so does your job own you? did your boss tell YOU to write this? Capital gains tax HARDLY effects the middle class, most class families only stocks are in 401ks and dont get taxed until the go into anyways. The deficit commission is slamming the middle class wich is WHY Cenk hates it so damn much and myself. all your doing is repeating spin, my views cross the political broad from issue 2 issue but yr just in it hook line & sinker
benympls 1 year ago
MSLSD hired Cenk for his ability to polarize. They hired a persona which now attacks opposition 90% of air time. Cenk is a good company man and will be rewarded soon.
Anyway, cap gains is a market tax targeting middle class ability to accumulate wealth. The estate tax targets middle class ability to preserve generational wealth. Tax code should be simplified, FED should be dismantled.
FED and SEC chairmen should be elected positions.
End the welfare state, and charitable orgs will flourish.
jag10 1 year ago
@jag10 what middle class has capital gains tax issues? only upper middle class&yeah i dont consider 250,000 a crazy amount of money&i'm for a simpler tax code(as is Cenk)but the tax code would be less on the upper middle class(250,000 would be in the 20's) but the upper upper would get taxed MUCH more. I've always said up to 50k capital gains should be low any capital gains over that would be income&i 'd get rid of double taxation. I'm NOT in favor of welfare but in our current system its needed
benympls 1 year ago
@benympls , cap gains is a double tax. LT cap gains should be zero. Short term, of course, should be treated as income.
The top tier tax rate will prolly end up at around 33%, it will be good for a serviced based economy.
I would like to see a big crackdown on banking, corp and gubbermint corruption, but who my kidding, I live in the USA. lulz.
See you at the soup line.
jag10 1 year ago
@jag10 If FED should be dismantled, then why should there even be a need for an elected FED chairman
MadeInIndia2006 1 year ago
@MadeInIndia2006 , well, you could end the tyranny of the FED abruptly, but that would be a scary situation and logically aint gonna happen. You'd see soldiers on street corners as a result of Congress even talking about it, with any weight behind it.
No secret that the FED (foreign central banking consortium) control much more than just financial policy. It might? be dismantled through transparency (elected oversight), with proper control mechanism behind it, like a temp alternative currency.
jag10 1 year ago
@jag10
owned by GE...
And you know this how?
bla34112 1 year ago
@jag10 It is rather funny you would say this... on a video where Cenk is overtly attacking the establishment. Reality and you have never met, have they?
thanatos101b 1 year ago
@thanatos101b , yes attacking the polar opposite establishment, which is his job.
The reality is...well... you'll figure it out one day, maybe.
jag10 1 year ago
@jag10 Wow, you don't live with us in reality. There can be no polar opposite establishment. That is a functional impossibility.
I'm certain that, with time, you will develop a coherent, logical, intelligent world-view. I hope I can aid in that discover for you.
thanatos101b 1 year ago
@thanatos101b ok, I'll bite. You have an "establishment", there are two sides, like two poles leaning against each other. If one of those poles should waver, both sides fall. It takes a certain balance.
Ok, hope I didn't lose ya - it is abstract.
Anyway, add another pole (substantial size), to those two existing poles and the "establishment" falls.
Now, relate that to news media, corporations, and American politics.
A right/left paradigm trap - ensuring perpetual "establishment".
jag10 1 year ago
@jag10 Sorry, but that is, as they say, an impossibility. You can only have the establishment and everything that is not the establishment. At best you are describing the 1984 scenario where Big Brother controls both the party and the Brotherhood. Or it is today, where corporations and the wealthy control both the Democrats and the Republicans. Which of course means, as I said, there is only one establishment. You can't have two, it is a functional impossibility.
thanatos101b 1 year ago
@thanatos101b , yes one establishment which sensationalizes/polarizes extreme views without appearing as a monopoly.
Coke - Pepsi (poor example, there are better), Democrats - Republicans, FOX - MSNBC/CNN, Boeing - Grumman, USA/EU - Russia/China.
jag10 1 year ago
@jag10 Of course, in this instance, you are drowning in a creek completely without a paddle. Since the establishment wants us to believe there is a difference between Republicans and Democrats, and Cenk attacks both for being corrupted. An establishment only wants polarized views on things that do not matter, such as marriage equality, they want everyone to be good corporate citizens. Which is why they instantly corrupted those poor, stupid tea party people.
thanatos101b 1 year ago
@thanatos101b establishment doesn't care what people think. that is the beauty with a left/right polarized paradigm. Both sides can throw some truth out there (straw bail treats)., but the machine rolls on. Tea party - progressives another polarized stick house.
jag10 1 year ago
@jag10 How wonderfully false. If the establishment didn't care what people think, then they wouldn't spend so much time and energy into making sure people didn't think.
As always, everything you believe is empirically false, and absurd on its face.
thanatos101b 1 year ago
Over 95% of these TYT videos are polarizing and deceptive.
The sheep are going to be slaughtered.
Recap:
The unemployed who pay no effective tax.
The middle class earner is taxed at 3x the rate as the gal working at McDonalds.
The rich avoid tax by sheltering taxable income.
global corps negotiate their rate.
This rant and the rant of progressives are attacking the middle class ability (and future ability) to create wealth. These A holes are cheering for a death tax to save the country???
jag10 1 year ago
@jag10 did he say death tax & death tax doesnt help middle class families, it helps the uber rich. The amount a middle class family pays on a 250,000 house is small
benympls 1 year ago
@jag10
you're probably one of the less stable ones on the internet
bla34112 1 year ago
i would not only vote for him again, but campaign for him again if obama came out and calle the report a steming pile of shit... somehow i think i will be oddly free come november 2012
tcdowning666 1 year ago
OK, let's get these two myths out in the open and end this debate. INCOME tax cuts for the rich DO NOT help in creating jobs nor does it help economical growth. Tax cuts for corporations and businesses, while seemingly unethical and unfair, DO create jobs and help economical growth. Both of the statements have been PROVEN in our own history. I don't want to see GE or some other giant pay less taxes, but let's give it a try, let's do a trial run, lower biz taxes, raise income taxes on the rich.
TheUSMetalhead 1 year ago
cenk is equivelent to Bill Oreilly... there are positives and negatives to lowering taxes on corporations.... america needs jobs.
lennydiko 1 year ago
@lennydiko "cenk is equivelent to Bill Oreilly" You have lost all credibility with this statement. You might as well delete your youtube account and start over.
immanuelx2 1 year ago
@lennydiko i want what ur on
eoqazzaq 1 year ago
@lennydiko The bush tax cuts are for individual millionaires and such, not corporations.
Sonnera 1 year ago
The government is a tool of the PTB, the top 200 families that no longer have any use for the rest of us. They are currently engineering a civil war to have us kill each other off - to make more room for themselves. You can be left or right, it doesn't matter to them. You will soon be food for the crows...
audadvnc 1 year ago
CENK FOR PRESIDENT!!!
EminemTheKing007 1 year ago
We need a robin hood in the gov right now.
FireScorpion343 1 year ago
You know what else would have gotten us a trillion dollars in 10 years.... the Public Option.... defense spending and taxes for rich... that's already three point something trillion dollars....
upplsuckimcool16 1 year ago 2
NOOOO OK I REALLY don't like this new TYT set..... When Cenk yelled out for Jayar he looked the WRONG WAY... How am I supposed to deal with this kind of craziness... Now I can't even tell when Cenk looks up to Jayar for approval after talking about race!!!
upplsuckimcool16 1 year ago
Next time someone says welfare recipiants are lazy I will say NO they are just benifitting from the sme shit the really rich are... Seems like welfare is the only sucker free path to take unless you're mega rich!
upplsuckimcool16 1 year ago
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cenk = arab / muslim communist = fail
erdal0 1 year ago
If u want surplus and to balance the budget you have to make the money come from somewhere. The middle class consumes the most therefore cut their taxes (or leave their rates alone) and raise the taxes on those that are rich. Raise the bar of "rich" to 500k INCOME as a compromise with stupid repubs but remember that it's income we care about. Cut military spending as well and since only 5% of Americans actually receive it, raise the inheritance tax rate as well. This will create billions to he
916superman22 1 year ago
@916superman22
You don't create surplus by raising taxes. Taxes are already TOO HIGH! You create them by CUTTING MASSIVE SPENDING!
ecwaufisxtreme 1 year ago
@ecwaufisxtreme Taxes on the rich income are not too high, they are actually too low. To create surplus you cut spending like I said (military spending), and raise taxes on the rich. Use your brain, spend less while making more = surplus. I'll say it again, spend less (cut military spending) + make more (let bush tax cuts run out) = More Money and eventual surplus.
916superman22 1 year ago
@ecwaufisxtreme False. Taxes are the lowest they've been since WWII, lowering taxes actually takes money out of the economy (an empirical fact) it does not generate money. MASSIVE SPENDING adds to the economy, and generates money.
So, in summation, you are wrong about everything.
thanatos101b 1 year ago
@thanatos101b
This recession is caused by BIG GOVT DEMS! The only way for this economy to complete recover is to enact Palinomics and have a much reduced govt comprised entirely of conservative white women lead by Sarah Palin get out of the economy's way.
ecwaufisxtreme 1 year ago
LOL! Cut the defense budget by $100 million. Thats like increasing Bill Gates taxes by 5 pennies.
jxsilicon9 1 year ago
And wat are the middle class ppl gna do about it? Not a damn thing, They just gonna sit there and take it.
superkadeemx 1 year ago
"reverse robin hood" !!!
skralbow 1 year ago
The redistribution of the country's wealth continues.
Before long the top 5% will have 95% of the country's wealth, and the peons will have the scraps.
DillonDee1 1 year ago
Agree with Cenk 99%, but to be fair, if a Republican commissioned a report or group and then looked at it when it landed on his desk and said "fuck this, I'm not doing it", we'd all be pretty pissed.
The point is that he should have put the right commission together in the first place.
2edsajdmsa 1 year ago
@2edsajdmsa If a republican president said "fuck this" to THIS report I would turn republican in a heartbeat.
DrQuijano 1 year ago
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@ohwnou
President Palin will have this country COMPLETELY DEBT FREE and DEFICIT FREE! She will create massive surpluses greater than Clinton!
ecwaufisxtreme 1 year ago
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@duppyduppy01
We NEED President Palin for she will help the middle class with Palinomics! Palinomics will give EVERYBODY jobs! Unemployment will be DOWN TO ZERO in the Palination!
ecwaufisxtreme 1 year ago
welll atleast america is still number 1... in screwing up
robinvan1983 1 year ago 5
The government need to realize that the middle class IS the economy. Wealthy people don't spend much money. Where middle class people spend more. The more that they spend, the more money gets circulated into the economy, the more jobs will become available. The rich need their taxes RAISED!
thevoice560 1 year ago
@thevoice560
NOBODY should have their taxes raised, RICH or POOR! America is WAY OVERTAXED RIGHT NOW and we NEED President Sarah Palin to completely cut taxes across the whole board while making even more spending cuts. She will ELIMINATE Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare, Food Stamps, Unemployment, Vet Care and ALL liberal social PORK programs! She will OUST all the CZARS and eliminate all the SUPERFLUOUS depts such as the Dept of Education!
ecwaufisxtreme 1 year ago
@ecwaufisxtreme I know I shouldn't be feeding a troll but here goes:
If you cut Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid etc etc what do you think the people who rely on these programs will do. Either A - lay down and die quietly out of the way or B - Find other ways of obtaining the things they need such as theft, begging, prostitution etc etc.
The best answer to a problem always lies somewhere in the middle, I guess determining where the middle is tends to be the hard thing to do.
piemagon 1 year ago 4
@ecwaufisxtreme and then she vill have social unrest, more crime and drugs and turn the country into another Zimbawe. Are u ignorant, stupid, Cynical och brainwashed?
periaadoc 1 year ago 2
@ecwaufisxtreme It's obvious that the department of education has done you no good, as it has failed most republicans. No wonder the right wing wants it gone.
Fawcks 1 year ago 3
@Fawcks
America's education will be VASTLY SUPERIOR if it was COMPLETELY PRIVATIZED! Public Education is CRAP and must go! President Palin will have it eliminated!
ecwaufisxtreme 1 year ago
@ecwaufisxtreme I actually want what you said, but I doubt that Palin would do all of it. She would eliminate social security, medicare, medicaid, welfare, food stamps, unemployment, vet care, education, and pretty much everything that made America great during the 60s, but instead of eliminating pork and czars she would appoint her friends and relatives to czar positions and give pork to her friends in corporations. She will also eliminate taxes on those making over 500k and tax the rest at 90%
DrQuijano 1 year ago 4
There is no incentive for the wealthy to care about the rest of the population. So they will do anything they can to maintain their wealth and well being. This is what the system produces.
silversobe 1 year ago
"This is reverse Robin Hood!" HAHAHAHAHAH!
ChaoticChris5150 1 year ago
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We need President Palin for she will cut taxes across the whole board and she will create MASSIVE surpluses surpassing Clinton! She will completely cut all liberal pork OUT of our govt budget including Social Security, Medicare, Welfare, Medicaid, Unemployment, Vet Care and all lib social programs! Even Dept of Education will be shut down along with ALL public education!
ecwaufisxtreme 1 year ago
hehe reverse robinhood =P
smartandstupid37 1 year ago
Reverse Robin Hood sounds like a sex position, well it should be cause the people are getting fucked.
bladedaemon666 1 year ago 35
Yeah, I heard this cut defended on O'Donnell's lame MSNBC show. Kent "sellout" Conrad said that the proposals eliminate the multiple deductions rich people have. Heh, heh. If you believe that bullshit I have a bridge to nowhere for sale. Does President Pocket Change--a fuckin' Republican no matter what the redneck idiots think--really believe his weak-ass administration is gonna eliminate rich fuck wad tax loopholes? Give me a break. Fuck you, Obama.
kurd55 1 year ago
God damn. How stupid are we Americans? We have to go through this shit TWICE in less than a century? We are seriously going to let poor houses come back, 16 hour work days just to feed ourselves before we decide this doesn't work? When the wealthy have control of the vast amount of wealth, it does not "trickle-down". Sigh....people can be so self-centered...
obadhai03 1 year ago 2
When will we get the People First Party?
CamanEmpire 1 year ago