Something that has struck me is that every time I look up a Christian song to listen to on youtube, there seems to be that many atheists have found there way to the song and some validity of scripture debate breaks out. I find this very interesting indeed. Excellent song.
@excavtrooper also think about this if you get ten people in a room to write a paper there WILL be points where you can tell someone else is speaking and there will be contradictions but the Bible sounds as if it had one author and zero contradictions it was written over 4,000 years by 40 different people in 3 languages on 3 different continents yet sounds as if it was written by one person this is a miracle in itself and if 10 people can't write a paper without problems then how do you explain
@CousinDonnie7 The Bible was written by those men and women who were lead and filled with the Holy Spirit of God-the Creator of the everything both known and unknown to man. Doesn't matter how many languages and/or people wrote it/translated it they were men and women appointed by God to do so. This is believed and tested by your faith in either contradiction or belief in God.
@excavtrooper I for one do not believe atheist are depressed just confused because as your looking through the Bible for things of modern technology but its not about curing desiesses or performing surgy its about God and our Savior Jesus Christ and what we should do to spend ETERNITY with Him because though technology quickly advances people don't and the little bit I've read I've noticed that its all truth about people today and if those randomly chosen places are whose to say the rest isn't?
No pal, modern technology, not apparent in the bible, can do market research and census of any given topic or subject, I am not the bully, your pea brain is being hit hard with things called "obvious facts", and it has difficulty understanding them, never mind little one, when you get to your heaven, god won't make you take any exams, he knows it would be a waste of time. PS, you missed the point anyway.
@smoknn77 , The bible offers us nothing concrete about living life apart from a few philosophies that voltaire did much better. It does not contain knowledge on, Surgery, disease prevention, psychiatry, intense farming, food production, business, antibiotics, mechanised travel, aids to the disabled, the internet (unless you count what he did to the tower of babel), mass communication, technology, astronomy, biology, and on and on and on. It is stuck in the first century, not the 21st.
Obviously I was correct with my opening remarks, do yourself a little bit of groundwork that covers an area slightly larger than your home area, ie, the world. Then see who is doing what for the needy. I'll give you a clue shall I?, Try science with malaria, aids, ber beri, tropical diseases et al, and yes, sorry pal, but 98% of scientists are atheists developing medicines for the world, including you. Antibiotics?, was that science or psalms?, no brainer really.
you know, if you dont agree with the religion, just dont comment. I mean, come on, its youtube. we came here to watch videos and heres one of a worship song (which btw, id change the title), and were listening to it. big deal.
@AlisonLP96 , What's it like to understand what it's like to be persecuted eh?, people in South America were butchered by the Spanish for not believing in god, the Troubles in Northern Ireland, The Balkans, were religious wars. Hundreds of thousands of women were hung or burned for being "witches in Europe by priests, And you whinge about a few comments, check the history of the church, it is A HORROR STORY WITH NO APOLOGY.
@smoknn77 , I'm ok with your request about Alison, but to the point, how can you justify it being a more civilised society today when there are still many people suffering from war and / or malnutrition, disease and lack of humanity. In much of the world, the west included, 5% of the people own 95% of the wealth and power, and it is abused. Yet there is no divine intervention, just the usual 2000 year old total silence. Where is your evidence of what you say, there is none.
@smoknn77 , I, by my nature, read the bible, but I have severe difficulty in knowing why other's do not see what I do. Minister's preach that god loves us. God does not love us, only the select few, that is biblical. He kills at will, randomly, without mercy. He is paranoid about being loved to the point he allows satan to kill, and infest job's family to prove a loyalty point. He insists on a boy being bound, gagged and put on a fire to the same end, this is paranoid schizophrenia.
@smoknn77 , This is what I mean, if there is all this horror in the world, what then is the point of god if (A), He does nothing about it, and (B) The same societal breakdown would have happened anyway. The same illnesses, diseases, misfortune, accidents and bad luck, happen exactly the same to people, whether christian or not. We would have noticed a difference long ago, but there isn't, so where is your proof of existence?. Whatever the bible says, there has never been proof of evidence.
@smoknn77 , I understand your standpoint as it were, but that's where we differ, I could never accept things untested at face value, I need evidence. I was a christian in the 80's but left after about 18 months because I couldn't accept the innacuracies, the genocide according to a "plan", the nepotism of god, the absence of any real presence, the crying out all over the world, and no response, not even a dove. If all this, is god's plan, then it is a cruel one that I will never accept.
@excavtrooper the kingdom of GOD is within you. i pray one day the doubt and hardness in your heart leaves and is replaced with forgivness, hope faith, and most of all love. i pray one day you will open you heart and he will open your eyes. you'll see life very different. all of a sudden those annoying chirpping birds in your backyard will sound beautiful. but till then i will still pray for you.
@smoknn77 , I think you may have the wrong end of the stick here, I have all that, I have a good life, I am happy with who I am, with what I know, and I couldn't ask for a more loving family, but you and other's have the idea, all atheists are depressed, empty and miserable....I think not, we are not obsessed with going to heaven or hell, or with some invisible force spying on our lives and sexual activities etc, we just challenge you to give your proof of god, 2000 years on we still wait
@smoknn77 , In addition, I despise the way other's, not of your belief are threatened with hell, ie, eternal torture and damnation, yet you have not once single ounce of proof of literally ANY of the bibles judgements for people like me, not one. When people say they will pray for me, I know they have lost the argument. There is nothing personal in our debate, but I will state categorically, you are wrong. The bible was devised by man, against man, there is no god of the bible, none whatsoever.
absolutly love the video but hate the comments. why can't athiests find another outlet to spew their venom! i've yet to see any athiest group feed the hungry or help the homeless. i've been to haiti 3x there are no athiest helping those people. we feed close to 100 homeless and displaced families every week through our church but yet no athiest come to help or contribute.
@smoknn77 You have got to be blind or stupid, "athiests don't help the hungry or homeless!!!!, we don't wear silly badges like you, and we don't do it because we will reap our reward in heaven, we do it because we believe in helping our fellow human beings, not because some bloke in the sky will give us an ice cream for being good. Of course atheists help the hungry and homeless, it's called HUMAN NATURE, and was here long before your jesus.
16 June 2010: A 62 foot statue of Jesus outside the non-denominational Solid Rock Church in Monroe, Ohio, has been destroyed by lightning. The glass fiber and plastic foam sculpture caught fire and burned to the ground in what insurance companies have described as an act of God, LOL! The statue cost a quarter of a million dollars, which could have fed one hundred homeless people for a year! Foolish Christians!
@JERI0K ... what kind of person are you... this is how things like the holocaust starts. with a remark such as yours... may God bless you and chance the way you live life, and the way you see things.
@Changbang2013 90% of the Xtians that responded to this comment I posted on different videos AGREED! They said that the church shouldn't erect false idols/graven images, & that yes, they should have spent the $ on the poor. And FYI, the holocaust & Hitler's anti-Semitism stemmed from his Xtian background. Catholics especially have cast Jews as the "killers of Jesus". The Vatican even signed a Concordat with Hitler in 1933 to look the other way re his persecution of Jews. Take a history lesson!
The title of this video is misleading. When you click on it you think you're going to hear the song I Could Sing of Your Love Forever not the song God of Wonders.
To the one who made the video and posted... ignore everyone who is telling you that it's the wrong song title. They've missed the point, which was you allowing everyone to know that He is Lord over Heaven and Earth and all things, including being Holy, God of Wonders, the one who allows us to Sing of Your Love Forever, and He will forever be The God of Wonders!!! It's not a song, it's a belief and lifestyle system.
$100 to anyone able to produce evidence of anything written during Jesus' supposed lifetime. Ahhh hell... Make it $1,000,000,000,000... I won't have to pay it. Kinda like O.J. offering a reward for the 'real' killer. On your mark... GO!
Thank you dear God the creator of all God all mighty our Lord and savior Jesus Christ ! we know that you are in control of all things.All glory to you forever and ever.Amen
If you are looking for proof that God exists you might as well ask him. After all what harm is there in asking. Yet instead you plague His children with boasts of a logical society and thinking for ones self. there is no scientific way to prove God exists, but there is no scientific way to prove he doesn't either. I suggest you stop acting like a child flaunting logical thinking, and actually use it, do your actions here mirror a truly intelligent person? my opinion is no.
2. you're making the claim god exists, the onus is on you to prove your claim.
3. stop flaunting logical thinking - considering that logical thinking is what keeps you fed, alive, medicated and warm, logical thinking deserves flauntation.
4. your opinion, coming from somone who thinks that love between two people is an abomination, matters little ;)
You have only proved your own ignorance. First off i believe that love between two people is highly important and beautiful. Second it is you that has been flaunting logical thinking. Post back if you wish but i am done arguing with children. and it is not on me to prove God exists, if you want proof find it yourself i am not a parent to coddle you.
first off, your god does not agree with you - leveticus 18:22 is proof of that.
second, the basic tennet of science is that you provide proof to support your claim. your claim is that god exists, and so you are required to produce the logical and supportable reasons for your claim. are you getting this yet kiddo?
I am not required to do anything, I am not the one needing the evidence i am quite comfortable with my own knowledge and beliefes. on the insecure need to provide proof
Science also states that lack of evidence is not evidence that something doesnt exist. And i am not perfect i really dont care. Use what you like against me say what you want, its not me your hurting. Hell i will give you fuel. I am a gay Christian and very happily in love with my mate. again just because i chose to believe in God doesn't make me stupid. Now are you done being an ass or would you like to continue this debate on msn or yahoo?
@bonzonobeans ok keep ur beleifs to uself if we wanna beleive we go to heaven when we die we can and if u wanna beleive ull rot and get eaten by bugs when u die thats fine with us 2
benoit. sorry mate, the only people who consider evolution to be a contentious idea is theists.
Scientist experts, professional thinkers, do not consider evolution to be contentious in the slightest. There is so much abundant proof of micro and macro evolution, that for you to NOT "believe" it, you have to be truly ignorant - and you have just shown you are.
the fact is, you actually have no idea about evolution. you simply object to it, only because your daddy tells you to ;)
I have a policy of not talking to ignorant muppets, I'll make an exception in your case ;)
firstly, no, you ignorant, gullible moron. There are NOT human skeletons 50ft tall. Sorry. If there ARE videos, then they are faked. Deal with it. Read scientific literature.
secondly, I don't CARE if you belive in evolution any more than I care if you believe the sky is blue. The facts exist regardless of your cerebral ineptitude.
how about you do a bit of basic research and learn about evolution, fool?
@bonzonobeans giants have been found all over Peru,India,Turkey and China i know they arent fake cuz i took a trip to india last yr after grad and went to see one for myself
they are very real and the united states r the only country that hasnt talked about it in news yet
i dont beleive in noahs arc if they do find it one day i will beleive it though cuz the evidence will be there to back up the story
but i dont beleive we came from monkeys cuz all the evidence supports something else
-some evidence points to the fact that humans came from mars and that would make alot of sense on why we think going back up into the sky will bring us to heaven
but yeah ur mistaking me for a hardcore christian
would a hardcore christian tell u to suck my fat hairy cock
actually, I'm mistaking you for somone who has a clue....
"coming from mars" would be the pansperima theory, which, for the love of god, is entirely debunked. Deal with it. 2ndly, as I've said before, the "beliefs" of 28 year old illiterate muppet have absolutely zero impact on reality. The FACT is that we have evolved. You can choose not to agree with the proof, but that would be entirely due to you being an ignorant, uneducated moron.
enjoy beating your big fat hairy cock, I'll just laugh.
and btw im 18 not 28 the age on my pro is wrong i was 16 when i made this so i changed my age to watch felony fights cuz they wouldnt let me see it
and u dont gotta act like a little bitch who runs his mouth through the computer can u not have a disscusion like a normal person
also i didnt say we came from mars i said there is a possibility just like with evolution and creation there are possibilitys but none have been proven by science yet
beniot, if you're 18, then I can understand why you're so ignorant.
You're using the internet, why don't you use it to find out about these things that you're so clearly ignorant?
Evolution is observed, in macro and micro forms. It's REALLY easy to find the scientific, peer reviewed journals - for example, do a google search for "stickleback macroevolution"
tragically, you probably don't have enough background to understand it really so - GO AND TALK TO THE SCIENTISTS!...
lol - I'm simply reading the peer reviewed literature kiddo. Do you, an 18 year old hick from the wheatplains in canada thinks he knows more about evolution than leading, highly-qualified and educated research scientists?
indeed, just thinking somehting is true does not make it true... like your god for example. Fortunatly, research scientists can back up their studies with facts, unlike your god ;)
nice one kid.. stuff like this always makes me laugh.. ;)
cuz u dont got no evidence thats why u suddenly change the subject and yeah im 18 in great shape im makeing money i got a girl thats smokeing hot and i owe it all to the lord
lol don't worry kid, I'm making money, I have a "smoking" hot girl and a very healthy family, and I owe none of it to your lord.
the problem here is that you're ignorant. You claim there is no evidence, not because there is none, but because you're ignorant of it. There are countless CENTURIES of man-hours of validated, logical research - you, quite simply, are ignorant of it.
it always makes me laugh when you fools claim there's no evidence. the fact is, you've never even looked ;)
"cuz u dont got no evidence thats why u suddenly change the subject"
i said that 2comments ago
u havent given me the evidence yet all ur doing is talking about random shit show me ur evidence or else ur the one changing the subject because thats still the subject were on u said the evidence was in ur side i gave u some evidence then u didnt give me anything
the onlyevidence ive ever seen to support evolution is you cuz ur like a monkey with a language u just say random crap
@bonzonobeans If you felt an urge to listen to Gospel music - then don't fight this intrigue and learn more about what questions you have in your heart. You can do this by reading the bible and going to a Christian Church, and speaking to God. if you are merely here to wage war against his children by confusing them and turning them away, im gonna pray that the Lord may shield whoever comes on here and reads your comments. Your attack has been disabled.. in JESUS NAME
@bonzonobeans@bonzonobeans did you wake up this morning feeling the urge to speak to God's children and them away from him? If you don't believe in the Lord, then leave his children alone and allow them to praise their God in peace. If you refuse him, it doesnt mean we have to.
@bonzonobeans The thing you forget to realise is that those scientists who are apparently "qualified" can never surpass the intelligence of the Lord, if the Lord tells us something is true, we have no reason to believe its a lie - cause our Lord is unable to lie.
@bonzonobeans u can call me a fool but that just proves u cant debate the topic cuz the evidence has been pointing to god over evolution alot
even though neither have been proven real the fact still remains that only one is taught in science classes all over canada and united states
i learned about evolution in Catholic School for fuk sakes they taught it like it was proven fact and i didnt learn till later that it hasnt been proven
kid, you're using youtube as your "evidence" -is this what you do in all your "debates"?
Actually, the only people who find evolution contentious are theists. The REST of the planet know what evolution is, how it works and what it means.
"only one"? only one what? only one evolution? there IS only one evolution.
look kid, there really is mountains of research on evolution, the fact that you're too lazy to read it does not mean that evolution is false, just that your lazy.
I do admire your faith and willingness to protect the word of God and its truth friend, but be in mind that God is not forcing anyone to believe in Him. Those that do not will have to face that in the coming Judgment. Conduct yourself as Jesus commanded, with Love compassion and understanding. Even those that Do not believe are His children. Pray for them but do not extend a hand of anger.
How priveleged we are. Even evolutionary scientists in this film have decided thy we are not just a coincidence. We are in the zone called the habitable zone. 10 million lilesnor ao closer and we would burn and die. 10 million seems like alot but have u seen how big space is? Watch the film and you will see.
Yes it is very conductive for life to form on this planet, however given the mathematical equation and by the logic you cling too the chances are astronomical that a planet would A)contain the right elements to produce life B) be in a perfect position relative to its sun to support life. The conditions on this planet all match up perfectly for life to exist. Even scientists have stated the chances of that happening on accident are very close to 0 its not even a full 1%
Righto - what number do you think they are? one in a thousand? billion? million billion? one in a hundred thousand million billion zillion?
Now, just how many stars do you think there are?
There are more than 200 billion stars in our galaxy, there are more than a 100 thousand galaxies currently known, and that only comprises a miniscule fraction of the sky.
Whatever number you want, the universe can deliver.
Yes the chances are astronomical, and it follows basic physics. Perhaps you should pay attention more in high school and college instead of commenting on youtube. you might actually learn something of value
lol - it follows basic physics. indeed it does - and I strongly doubt you really have any idea of the physics behind it, or the probability of those situations existing.
I am ENTIRELY amused that you say "it follows basic physics" and then you compeltely fail to specify which "basic" physics you think it follows - so, let's have your well-reasoned, mathematically verifiable analysis shall we kiddo?
Lol i really donlt care what you think. maybe you should take a look at yourself, you say you dont watch these videos and yet you come her to post your comments and call others ignorant, what are you trying to prove that your smarter? Intelligence has nothing to do with beliefe son, you might as well give up your only making yourself look like an ass. I chose to believe, that doesnt make me stupid. that just makes me different than you and obviously happier, i dont terrorize other people :)
Sunsets are indeed magnificent - a beautiful demonstration of the complexities of nature, the complex & vast interplay of light, matter and time.
The tragedy is this incomprehensibly intricate interplay is too difficult for us to fully understand in our megre minds. As a result, the more intellectually pathetic of us immediately assume it is the direct work of god.
How sad that you're too stupid to appreciate the vast complexities of it, and ASSUME that it "must" be the work of a god.
And by which benchmark to you think they are complex retardedphil?
ah yes - you YOUR mind. YOU cannot understand how they exist, and so YOU declare they are complex. You, with your little 3 kg brain who has trouble comprehending the distance to the other side of your mere country.
Well done, you just exposed the limitations of your own mind and arrogantly suggested that simply because your brain is too small to understand, they must therefore, be complex.
I think it requires very little to make you giggle kaydlajane, since you're having problems parseing the intent of my post, I'll use smaller words for you here:
you = too stupid to comprehend nature (don't worry, none of humanity can comprehend all of nature)
it's false to conclude that:
your inability to comprehend = uncomprehendable.
therefore, the fact that you can't comprehend something means only that you're ignorant, not that it is infinitely complex.
Uh, if you're trying to insult someone, learn to spell their name correctly. It makes you look a little smarter.
And secondly, I don't really care if you think I'm stupid because I know God is real. I think it's hilarious that you small minded people come on to these sorts of videos and try to insult us. You calling us stupid doesn't make a difference. In fact, it makes you look wrong. So nice try. A for effort. But we all know we're right. Sorry you're not open minded enough to know that.
whoops, I spelled your name wrong - probably because I don't really care about how your name is spelled.
No kaydla, you don't know god is real. YOU THINK god is real because you're terrified of facing reality without a god. You make up your god so you feel like you have somone to protect you, somewhere to go when you die, and somone to take out the nasty people who teased you at school.
you don't know - you simply lie to yourself, sorry you're not open minded enough to know that ;)
That's the stereotype you give every person who believes in God. You don't know me personally, so it's a pretty crazy judgement to make. I don't expect God to "take out" the people that have wronged me in my life, and I know He won't protect me. If you took the time to learn about what you were shooting down, you'd know that. To have a decent arguement, which you don't, you need to know what you're talking about. Obviously we won't agree.
I'll pray that someone gets through to you, though.
I don't need to know you personally. You are immaterial to the fact that there is no evidence of god at all. In fact, no humans need exist at all, and there will STILL be no proof of god.
Since you have no proof of god, how is it possible for you to insist that there is one? Simple - you make it up.
Its okay, making up a "father" figure is a basic behavioral trait for all social animals - we SEEK an alpha figure - if we can't find one, we make it up - exactly as you're doing
That would work, except I already have a father figure. Like I already said, we'll obviously not agree with each other. And that's fine. Although, I do have a question. Even if there was no god, why be so against the idea of something that makes others comforted and that teaches others to be kind and loving towards one another? There's no reason to be so against something that teaches doing the right thing just because you don't agree.
sorry kid, your father figure is merely mortal. Do you need to look up the meaning of "alpha figure"? your god could easily beat up your dad, and that's what you want - somone who can beat up ANYONE - this is what hell is all about - beating up the bad guys.
The evil ramifications of relgion FAR outweigh it's benefits. That is why I loath and despise religion. Almost no religions teach free and unfettered thought, tolerance, peace and harmony - do you need to read the OT?
I'm not sure which Christianity you're aware of, but the Bible teaches tolerance. "You who are sinless, cast the first stone," means that if you aren't without sin, you are not to judge. I'm also very free thinking. I've tried a few religions, Christianity works for me. I question a lot in the Bible. I believe it's possible to have more than one life. And no, I don't want God just because he can "beat up" anyone. That doesn't matter to me at all, as I've said already.
sorry mate, your genetics are far too strong in this case. The fact is; you're a social animal. You CRAVE an alpha figure - the problem is that you're smarter than the average monkey and you can make up an imaginary figure when you don't find one.
I'm not sure which christianity you're aware of, but god didn't show a whole lot of tolerance in Gen 19:24,26 Gen 7:21 Ex 4:23 Ex 12:12.. and so on.
I'm aware of what hypocrisy is, thanks. For a third time, we're not going to agree. You can stop trying to make me feel stupid, or whatever, because you're not doing a good job. I know what I know, and you're wasting your time and energy trying to make me think otherwise. I don't need to defend myself to you. I was hoping maybe I'd get through to you, but I'm obviously not the one that's supposed to do that. All I can do is pray someone else will.
you don't "know" anything about god - you've simply made it up. I can easily prove it to you, since you have not one single concrete, logical or robust reason to believe in your god. There is not a single thing that you can show me, or anyone that proves your god. Nothing.
Since you have nothing, and you WANT to have something, you make it up!
If I'm wrong, then show me the reason you think a god exists. In fact, please do.
The point of faith is to believe in something you can't see, you can't concretely prove exists. It's just something you KNOW, without a doubt in your mind. I can't give you any reason that you'll accept of my knowledge in God's existance.
You don't get it, not me. I understand perfectly what you're saying, but I know that you're wrong. You feel the same way I do, though, about what you're telling me. So, for a fourth time, we won't agree no matter what. I know He is real, I'm sorry you don't.
The "POINT" of you believing in your god is so that you can advocate something that you cant substantiate???
You have it backwards my friend - the point of faith is so that you can feel protected in spite of not having any reason to feel protected - you ASSERT the existence of your god so you can feel comforted. You ASSERT this god, in SPITE of not having a single way to justify such an assertion - this is the "point" of faith; to advocate something you know is a lie.
Imagine you are describing your god to two people with the view to proving it.
One is an analytical, careful, logical thinker, the other is an uneducated hick from midwestern USA.
Assume neither have heard of your god before hand at all.
I really want you to answer this; which of the two do you think will more easily believe you? Assume that ALL OTHER THINGS ARE EQUAL - i.e. background, race, experiences etc. etc. The only difference is in their analytical nature.
Neither. The logical one would spend lots of time thinking about what I said, analyzing every piece of information before deciding what they believed, and the uneducated hick would be more likely to think I was telling him crazy tales that couldn't possibly be true.
I don't know that what my beliefs are a lie, I know that they are true. I don't really understand why you're trying to shoot down something that brings me peace and joy especially in the times when I'm going through -continued-
something rough. It makes me a better person, it helps me not to judge others as much, it helps me turn the other cheek, do the right thing, love easier. Just because you disagree with me doesn't mean you need to verbally attack me. I don't mind it really, the Bible said things like this would happen to believers. I can handle it. But you won't change my mind. It's like telling me two plus two is twenty-two rather than four. -continued-
I know what I'm saying is fact, I'm not trying to force something through to make me feel better when I know deep down it's a lie. There is no doubt in my mind. My faith is too strong to falter. And if I am truly wrong, as you say, I'll find out when I die. Until then, I'm going to continue to believe what I believe and know that it's a fact, regardless of what you tell me.
Did you know that amongst the top research scientists in the usa, less than 10% of them believe in a personal god?
If you assume that a "top research scientist" is someone who is a very careful, intelligent and deliberate thinker, then why do you think that very, very few of the most intelligent people in your country don't believe in a god?
What is it that you're doing that they are not? Are they heathens? stupid? .... or just intelligent?
As I said, the logical person would take the time to think over the things I said. That's part of analyzing things.
I'm not a heathen, and I'm not stupid. I'm actually quite intelligent, which is why I think I question much more of what the Bible says than most Christians do. That's what a smart person does -- they question things, they search for the correct answer until they find it. It doens't just come naturally to them. It's sad to me that less than 10% of them believe, but -continued-
you never know what happens right before they die. Hopefully they change their minds and get to spend eternity in Paradise with the Lord. And if you are, in fact, correct, then what does it matter what I believe while I'm alive? It won't make a difference when I die.
But if I am right, and I know that I am, then my belief makes a big difference and I'll be in Paradise with Him for eternity, and that's how I'd like to spend it.
I have thought about your second question (I'll answer your first shortly) more times than I can count. I have wondered often if there is no god at all. And I still question it, mostly when things seem to go wrong in my life and the lives of those I love. And the answer for that I've come up with is that if there is no god, then my belief isn't hurting anything. If there is no god, then it won't matter after I die if I was wrong.
If there is no god, and you tell yourself there is, then you are not only telling yourself a lie, you are also believing it. I am not saying that you are lying to yourself with "there is a god", but rather "I know there is a god" - the fact is, you don't know there is a god. There may, or may not be - you simpy don't know.
The ramifications of this are deeper too - some theists assert that their god will solve the oil crisis, hate gay people, impose ancient morals etc.
My God doesn't hate gay people, and he won't solve the oil crisis, nor will he protect me from hardships, harm or hurt feelings. I can understand why you don't understand that I say I know there is a God, but I do know for a fact. Just because there is no scientific or physical proof of this doesn't mean it isn't true. That's part of what He does. He doesn't want there to be proof that he exists. He wants us to make the choice on our own, without plain evidence. And I have.
yes, your god considers gay sex to be an abomination. Sorry. your god is a bigot.
you're not getting my point - I am not saying there is no god, I am saying that YOU CANNOT assert there is one. The difference is important and subtle. As such, yes, the fact that there is no physical evidence is the entire point - you have NO REASON to assert god exists, ergo, any assertions you make are simply lies.
He considers it to be an abomination, yes, but that doesn't mean he hates them. You can love someone very much but seriously disagree with their choices. As for me, I don't personally feel anything is wrong with gay people. My uncle and his husband are gay, and I adore them almost more than my other family. I don't even disagree with their lifestyle choice. Had I voted, I would have voted to have gay marriage here in California.
And yes, I do understand the difference. -continued-
But I also know that I speak fact. I know I'm not lying. I'm sorry you can't understand that, and I am apparently not explaining myself in a way to get you to understand. I do comprehend fully what you're saying. I cannot provide the physical evidence. But I know I speak the Truth. To say otherwise would be denial. I cannot say I think there is a God when I know there is one. That's like saying, I think I'm using a computer right now when it's clearly evident that I am.
interesting, so despite the fact that you have absolutely no reason to believe in a god, absolutely zero logical rationale, absolutely zero justfication etc. you still, apparently, insist that you "know" that a god exists.
you simultaneously acknowledge that it is impossible for you to prove or assert your god.
Do you also assert that 2+2=5? because quite frankly, it's clear that you're not actually using your brain at all. Do you understand my point?
I do have reason to believe in God, it's just not the physical evidence you'd like me to provide. I have plenty of reason to believe in God. As I've said a few times, I do understand everything you're telling me. You aren't understanding my point, though. And that's okay, I don't expect you to. I never did. As I've said, I'm not the one God intends to change your mind, someone else hopefully will.
For your first question, yes I can. You won't beleive me and I don't expect you to. But I'll answer it anyway. I can feel God, I know that he exists. He has proven Himself easily to me many times in my life, whether it be from stories others have told me, or from my own personal experiences with Him, which I don't need to share on YouTube. He's spoken to me, through me, He's used me for his Good Works. To me, it's just so evident that he exists that I can't imagine that He doesn't.
your answer to my 1st question - the reason you think your god proves himself to you is that you're actually WANTING him to - you artificially look for reasons to assert his existence.
For EVERY case where your god has "proven himself", you should ask - is there ANY way that this event could happen naturally or randomly, given an infinite time and infinite space?
i.e. a rainbow appearing when you "ask for one" is simply change, not evidence of god.
Sometimes I want Him to prove Himself to me, and other times I'd rather he didn't. Sometimes I wish He would just disappear and not "help me out," especially when I can't understand how He is helping me. A lot of times it feels like He's hurting rather than helping, but I know that's not the case. He has a plan, and it is what it is. Just because I don't like it doesn' t mean it won't help me out later. And I know the rainbow thing is chance, God doesn't work like that.
In your prayers tonight, ask god to show himself to you, explain that you want to know that he exists and that you want to find good evidence of his existence okay? Explain to him that you need to conduct an experiment, and you need him to help you run it, and you hope that he, as a god, won't be offended by your actions.
Immediately after that, pray to your pillow. Ask for EXACTLY the same things.
That would be pointless. I know that God will not show himself to me simply because I ask him to, whether I give reasons or not. I said that already. God doesn't work like that. God doesn't show himself because I say, "Hey God, show me a sign of your existance 'cause I really wanna see one." That would competely defeat the purpose of faith without seeing.
I don't deny the fact that pixies can exist, nor do I say right out that they do. I also don't deny the fact that there may be intelligent life out in space somewhere, and there's no evidence of that at all.
You have good points, and I appreicate your point of view. I really do. I enjoy these sorts of conversations. I understand what you've been saying, and the fact that those points provide proof for the both of us is part of what God intends.
No, you're right. I cannot use logic to prove that God exists. I haven't tried to use logic to prove that He exists. All I've said is that I know that He does. It is literally impossible for me to even be able to fathom that He is not real. Like I said before, I have questioned it many times. I still question it often. But I always come back to the same conclusion.
Since you cannot 100% logically prove that god exists, you MUST ACCEPT that god may NOT exist. This is not really a debatable point - is is as logical as basic mathematics: If you cannot prove that god exists, you are logically bound to accept the fact that god may NOT exist (note that this does not MEAN that god does not exist, only the possibility of him not existing).
You MUST acknowledge this is a possibility, unless you're totally brainwashed
I suppose it is possible that He may not exist. I'm acknowledged that already though, when I said that if I am wrong, it won't make a difference after I'm dead. If my belief is wrong, once I'm dead I'll find out.
But I know in my heart and my brain for a fact that God does exist. I can acknowledge that it might be possible that I'm wrong -- it is possible that everyone is wrong about a lot of things. But I know I'm not wrong. So acknowledging that point doesn't make much of a difference to me.
since you've already acknowledged there is a possibilty that god does not exist, you are not able to assert "you know god exists", the two statements are logically incongruous.
Welcome to Agnosticism. You share company with some of the most brilliant minds in history; hawkings, newton, attenbourgh and charles darwin.
Except I'm not an Agnostic, I'm Christian. I know God exists. I don't know why it's so difficult for you to reach out and be open minded and comprehend that God isn't a logical thing, and so logic simply doesn't apply to it.
I already have made up my mind about God and the fact that he exists, so I can't be Agnostic. I know what I believe, I'm not entertaining the idea that I could be wrong. Logically I could be, but logic doesn't apply to faith and God.
Wrong song name. Amazing song, but wrong name.
ADSciple 1 month ago
it is a palanga? in lithuania?
justin13837 2 months ago
It's because they are trying to justify their non belief despite the inner voice...
yec1JF 3 months ago
Something that has struck me is that every time I look up a Christian song to listen to on youtube, there seems to be that many atheists have found there way to the song and some validity of scripture debate breaks out. I find this very interesting indeed. Excellent song.
CassieA88 3 months ago 2
i love this song
Kaitlyn560 5 months ago
This is God of Wonders....Why does it say "I could sing of your love forever?
girl4christ14 5 months ago 3
@excavtrooper also think about this if you get ten people in a room to write a paper there WILL be points where you can tell someone else is speaking and there will be contradictions but the Bible sounds as if it had one author and zero contradictions it was written over 4,000 years by 40 different people in 3 languages on 3 different continents yet sounds as if it was written by one person this is a miracle in itself and if 10 people can't write a paper without problems then how do you explain
CousinDonnie7 8 months ago
@CousinDonnie7 The Bible was written by those men and women who were lead and filled with the Holy Spirit of God-the Creator of the everything both known and unknown to man. Doesn't matter how many languages and/or people wrote it/translated it they were men and women appointed by God to do so. This is believed and tested by your faith in either contradiction or belief in God.
lakrrfan 2 weeks ago in playlist praise God
@excavtrooper I for one do not believe atheist are depressed just confused because as your looking through the Bible for things of modern technology but its not about curing desiesses or performing surgy its about God and our Savior Jesus Christ and what we should do to spend ETERNITY with Him because though technology quickly advances people don't and the little bit I've read I've noticed that its all truth about people today and if those randomly chosen places are whose to say the rest isn't?
CousinDonnie7 8 months ago
No pal, modern technology, not apparent in the bible, can do market research and census of any given topic or subject, I am not the bully, your pea brain is being hit hard with things called "obvious facts", and it has difficulty understanding them, never mind little one, when you get to your heaven, god won't make you take any exams, he knows it would be a waste of time. PS, you missed the point anyway.
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smoknn77 8 months ago
@smoknn77 , The bible offers us nothing concrete about living life apart from a few philosophies that voltaire did much better. It does not contain knowledge on, Surgery, disease prevention, psychiatry, intense farming, food production, business, antibiotics, mechanised travel, aids to the disabled, the internet (unless you count what he did to the tower of babel), mass communication, technology, astronomy, biology, and on and on and on. It is stuck in the first century, not the 21st.
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smoknn77 8 months ago
Obviously I was correct with my opening remarks, do yourself a little bit of groundwork that covers an area slightly larger than your home area, ie, the world. Then see who is doing what for the needy. I'll give you a clue shall I?, Try science with malaria, aids, ber beri, tropical diseases et al, and yes, sorry pal, but 98% of scientists are atheists developing medicines for the world, including you. Antibiotics?, was that science or psalms?, no brainer really.
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smoknn77 8 months ago
this song is actually called "God of Wonders"..... love this song!
BoYzErCh1k 10 months ago
i believe the name of the song is God of wonders
jdsuero2345 10 months ago
you know, if you dont agree with the religion, just dont comment. I mean, come on, its youtube. we came here to watch videos and heres one of a worship song (which btw, id change the title), and were listening to it. big deal.
AlisonLP96 10 months ago
@AlisonLP96 , What's it like to understand what it's like to be persecuted eh?, people in South America were butchered by the Spanish for not believing in god, the Troubles in Northern Ireland, The Balkans, were religious wars. Hundreds of thousands of women were hung or burned for being "witches in Europe by priests, And you whinge about a few comments, check the history of the church, it is A HORROR STORY WITH NO APOLOGY.
excavtrooper 8 months ago
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smoknn77 8 months ago
@smoknn77 , I'm ok with your request about Alison, but to the point, how can you justify it being a more civilised society today when there are still many people suffering from war and / or malnutrition, disease and lack of humanity. In much of the world, the west included, 5% of the people own 95% of the wealth and power, and it is abused. Yet there is no divine intervention, just the usual 2000 year old total silence. Where is your evidence of what you say, there is none.
excavtrooper 8 months ago
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smoknn77 8 months ago
@smoknn77 , I, by my nature, read the bible, but I have severe difficulty in knowing why other's do not see what I do. Minister's preach that god loves us. God does not love us, only the select few, that is biblical. He kills at will, randomly, without mercy. He is paranoid about being loved to the point he allows satan to kill, and infest job's family to prove a loyalty point. He insists on a boy being bound, gagged and put on a fire to the same end, this is paranoid schizophrenia.
excavtrooper 8 months ago
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smoknn77 8 months ago
@smoknn77 , This is what I mean, if there is all this horror in the world, what then is the point of god if (A), He does nothing about it, and (B) The same societal breakdown would have happened anyway. The same illnesses, diseases, misfortune, accidents and bad luck, happen exactly the same to people, whether christian or not. We would have noticed a difference long ago, but there isn't, so where is your proof of existence?. Whatever the bible says, there has never been proof of evidence.
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smoknn77 8 months ago
@smoknn77 , I understand your standpoint as it were, but that's where we differ, I could never accept things untested at face value, I need evidence. I was a christian in the 80's but left after about 18 months because I couldn't accept the innacuracies, the genocide according to a "plan", the nepotism of god, the absence of any real presence, the crying out all over the world, and no response, not even a dove. If all this, is god's plan, then it is a cruel one that I will never accept.
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smoknn77 8 months ago
@excavtrooper the kingdom of GOD is within you. i pray one day the doubt and hardness in your heart leaves and is replaced with forgivness, hope faith, and most of all love. i pray one day you will open you heart and he will open your eyes. you'll see life very different. all of a sudden those annoying chirpping birds in your backyard will sound beautiful. but till then i will still pray for you.
smoknn77 8 months ago
@smoknn77 , I think you may have the wrong end of the stick here, I have all that, I have a good life, I am happy with who I am, with what I know, and I couldn't ask for a more loving family, but you and other's have the idea, all atheists are depressed, empty and miserable....I think not, we are not obsessed with going to heaven or hell, or with some invisible force spying on our lives and sexual activities etc, we just challenge you to give your proof of god, 2000 years on we still wait
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smoknn77 8 months ago
@smoknn77 ,You seem to have removed an awful lot of posts, why is that?.
excavtrooper 8 months ago
@smoknn77 , In addition, I despise the way other's, not of your belief are threatened with hell, ie, eternal torture and damnation, yet you have not once single ounce of proof of literally ANY of the bibles judgements for people like me, not one. When people say they will pray for me, I know they have lost the argument. There is nothing personal in our debate, but I will state categorically, you are wrong. The bible was devised by man, against man, there is no god of the bible, none whatsoever.
excavtrooper 8 months ago
absolutly love the video but hate the comments. why can't athiests find another outlet to spew their venom! i've yet to see any athiest group feed the hungry or help the homeless. i've been to haiti 3x there are no athiest helping those people. we feed close to 100 homeless and displaced families every week through our church but yet no athiest come to help or contribute.
smoknn77 11 months ago
@smoknn77 You have got to be blind or stupid, "athiests don't help the hungry or homeless!!!!, we don't wear silly badges like you, and we don't do it because we will reap our reward in heaven, we do it because we believe in helping our fellow human beings, not because some bloke in the sky will give us an ice cream for being good. Of course atheists help the hungry and homeless, it's called HUMAN NATURE, and was here long before your jesus.
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smoknn77 8 months ago
This is "God of Wonders" by Chris Tomlin, not "I Could Sing of Your Love Forever" but it's still a good song.
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16 June 2010: A 62 foot statue of Jesus outside the non-denominational Solid Rock Church in Monroe, Ohio, has been destroyed by lightning. The glass fiber and plastic foam sculpture caught fire and burned to the ground in what insurance companies have described as an act of God, LOL! The statue cost a quarter of a million dollars, which could have fed one hundred homeless people for a year! Foolish Christians!
JERI0K 1 year ago
@JERI0K ... what kind of person are you... this is how things like the holocaust starts. with a remark such as yours... may God bless you and chance the way you live life, and the way you see things.
Changbang2013 1 year ago
@Changbang2013 90% of the Xtians that responded to this comment I posted on different videos AGREED! They said that the church shouldn't erect false idols/graven images, & that yes, they should have spent the $ on the poor. And FYI, the holocaust & Hitler's anti-Semitism stemmed from his Xtian background. Catholics especially have cast Jews as the "killers of Jesus". The Vatican even signed a Concordat with Hitler in 1933 to look the other way re his persecution of Jews. Take a history lesson!
JERI0K 1 year ago
love those pictures.course i just love the ocean. good song too. never heard it before
coffeelover37 1 year ago
The title of this video is misleading. When you click on it you think you're going to hear the song I Could Sing of Your Love Forever not the song God of Wonders.
skillsrich 1 year ago
To the one who made the video and posted... ignore everyone who is telling you that it's the wrong song title. They've missed the point, which was you allowing everyone to know that He is Lord over Heaven and Earth and all things, including being Holy, God of Wonders, the one who allows us to Sing of Your Love Forever, and He will forever be The God of Wonders!!! It's not a song, it's a belief and lifestyle system.
Injeannieous 1 year ago
@Injeannieous Yes. I could sing of His Love forever, too!
but stillllllll, this is the wrong title :/ I wanted some of the other song.. xD
God bless, all..
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shawnswifey2010 1 year ago
This isn't I could Sing of your Love Forever???
BuBliEz4 1 year ago
This is not , "I could sing of your love forever".
LaurenLoveBug123 1 year ago
Name of the song at 0:47? Please tell me =/
taethekoreanking 1 year ago
"God of wonders" by Chris Tomlin
slawpat 1 year ago
@slawpat this is "God of Wonders" by Third Day
Iceblader649 1 year ago
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soul08blade 1 year ago
I love you brothers and sisters, keep the faith and hope alive ! =)
Turn2OurMostHighest 1 year ago
what a fantastic song - praise GOD - your amazing Lord
Turn2OurMostHighest 1 year ago
god of wounder
Metal7Hero 1 year ago
I LOVE U GOD
franchboy 1 year ago
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$100 to anyone able to produce evidence of anything written during Jesus' supposed lifetime. Ahhh hell... Make it $1,000,000,000,000... I won't have to pay it. Kinda like O.J. offering a reward for the 'real' killer. On your mark... GO!
qwertywrangler 1 year ago
Thank you dear God the creator of all God all mighty our Lord and savior Jesus Christ ! we know that you are in control of all things.All glory to you forever and ever.Amen
poema79 1 year ago 2
yup, acefoxhound, yes I do.
if not an idiotic retard, then ignorant.
ignorance is nothing to be ashamed of. Pretending you are not ignorant, when you ARE ignorant, most certainly IS something to be ashamed of.
bonzonobeans 1 year ago
@bonzonobeans
If you are looking for proof that God exists you might as well ask him. After all what harm is there in asking. Yet instead you plague His children with boasts of a logical society and thinking for ones self. there is no scientific way to prove God exists, but there is no scientific way to prove he doesn't either. I suggest you stop acting like a child flaunting logical thinking, and actually use it, do your actions here mirror a truly intelligent person? my opinion is no.
Kagekaji2009 2 years ago
1. I did ask him, he failed.
2. you're making the claim god exists, the onus is on you to prove your claim.
3. stop flaunting logical thinking - considering that logical thinking is what keeps you fed, alive, medicated and warm, logical thinking deserves flauntation.
4. your opinion, coming from somone who thinks that love between two people is an abomination, matters little ;)
bonzonobeans 2 years ago
You have only proved your own ignorance. First off i believe that love between two people is highly important and beautiful. Second it is you that has been flaunting logical thinking. Post back if you wish but i am done arguing with children. and it is not on me to prove God exists, if you want proof find it yourself i am not a parent to coddle you.
Kagekaji2009 2 years ago
first off, your god does not agree with you - leveticus 18:22 is proof of that.
second, the basic tennet of science is that you provide proof to support your claim. your claim is that god exists, and so you are required to produce the logical and supportable reasons for your claim. are you getting this yet kiddo?
bonzonobeans 2 years ago
I am not required to do anything, I am not the one needing the evidence i am quite comfortable with my own knowledge and beliefes. on the insecure need to provide proof
Kagekaji2009 2 years ago
"comfortable with my own knowledge and beliefes"
hmm, and your inability to spell too, no doubt?
Actually, I don't care if you prove your statement or not, but the fact you cannot means, logically of course, that your statement is horseshit.
of course, that's under the assumption that you know what logic is, and you know how to use it ;)
bonzonobeans 2 years ago
Science also states that lack of evidence is not evidence that something doesnt exist. And i am not perfect i really dont care. Use what you like against me say what you want, its not me your hurting. Hell i will give you fuel. I am a gay Christian and very happily in love with my mate. again just because i chose to believe in God doesn't make me stupid. Now are you done being an ass or would you like to continue this debate on msn or yahoo?
Kagekaji2009 2 years ago
is about faith something i feel bad u dont have
benoitdidnotdoit 1 year ago
don't feel bad. It's a good thing that I don't lie to myself, benoitdidnotdoit
bonzonobeans 1 year ago
@bonzonobeans ok keep ur beleifs to uself if we wanna beleive we go to heaven when we die we can and if u wanna beleive ull rot and get eaten by bugs when u die thats fine with us 2
benoitdidnotdoit 1 year ago
lol.. lke I said kiddo, belief has nothing to do with it. It is simple fact.
I don't need to "believe" the sky is blue on a sunny day. It just is, and that's the fact.
deal with it kiddo.
bonzonobeans 1 year ago
@bonzonobeans deal with it
what do u beleive in evolution
even though it remains to be proven that we evolved from monkeys 2 this day
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bonzonobeans 1 year ago
benoit. sorry mate, the only people who consider evolution to be a contentious idea is theists.
Scientist experts, professional thinkers, do not consider evolution to be contentious in the slightest. There is so much abundant proof of micro and macro evolution, that for you to NOT "believe" it, you have to be truly ignorant - and you have just shown you are.
the fact is, you actually have no idea about evolution. you simply object to it, only because your daddy tells you to ;)
bonzonobeans 1 year ago
@bonzonobeans dont talk about my dad u fucking little bitch
and if u want me to belive in evolution show me some hard proof cuz i can do the opposite right now
there are videos on youtube of human skelotons found that were over 50 ft tall if we evolved from monkeys how the fuck did we get to 50 ft?
also they found a burial sight for native americans that were over 4000 yrs old
in that 4000 yrs our brains have not got any bigger or smaller
really makes evolution seem like a bunch of horse shit
benoitdidnotdoit 1 year ago
I have a policy of not talking to ignorant muppets, I'll make an exception in your case ;)
firstly, no, you ignorant, gullible moron. There are NOT human skeletons 50ft tall. Sorry. If there ARE videos, then they are faked. Deal with it. Read scientific literature.
secondly, I don't CARE if you belive in evolution any more than I care if you believe the sky is blue. The facts exist regardless of your cerebral ineptitude.
how about you do a bit of basic research and learn about evolution, fool?
bonzonobeans 1 year ago
@bonzonobeans giants have been found all over Peru,India,Turkey and China i know they arent fake cuz i took a trip to india last yr after grad and went to see one for myself
they are very real and the united states r the only country that hasnt talked about it in news yet
im guessing thats where u get all ur beleifs from
benoitdidnotdoit 1 year ago
@benoitdidnotdoit
sorry mate, I suppose you're also the kind of illiterate fucktard who thinks that the remnants of the ark can be found in the middle east?
looke, you're a semilterate 24 year old moron. You have, a best, a zero understanding of what does and does not constitute valid science.
Tell you what, you find me a peer-reviewd and published document that proves these "skeletons" are real and 50ft tall and then we'll talk okay?
Before you do, look up what "peer reviewed" means.
bonzonobeans 1 year ago
i dont beleive in noahs arc if they do find it one day i will beleive it though cuz the evidence will be there to back up the story
but i dont beleive we came from monkeys cuz all the evidence supports something else
-some evidence points to the fact that humans came from mars and that would make alot of sense on why we think going back up into the sky will bring us to heaven
but yeah ur mistaking me for a hardcore christian
would a hardcore christian tell u to suck my fat hairy cock
benoitdidnotdoit 1 year ago
actually, I'm mistaking you for somone who has a clue....
"coming from mars" would be the pansperima theory, which, for the love of god, is entirely debunked. Deal with it. 2ndly, as I've said before, the "beliefs" of 28 year old illiterate muppet have absolutely zero impact on reality. The FACT is that we have evolved. You can choose not to agree with the proof, but that would be entirely due to you being an ignorant, uneducated moron.
enjoy beating your big fat hairy cock, I'll just laugh.
bonzonobeans 1 year ago
show me this proof im dieing to see some proof
and btw im 18 not 28 the age on my pro is wrong i was 16 when i made this so i changed my age to watch felony fights cuz they wouldnt let me see it
and u dont gotta act like a little bitch who runs his mouth through the computer can u not have a disscusion like a normal person
also i didnt say we came from mars i said there is a possibility just like with evolution and creation there are possibilitys but none have been proven by science yet
benoitdidnotdoit 1 year ago
beniot, if you're 18, then I can understand why you're so ignorant.
You're using the internet, why don't you use it to find out about these things that you're so clearly ignorant?
Evolution is observed, in macro and micro forms. It's REALLY easy to find the scientific, peer reviewed journals - for example, do a google search for "stickleback macroevolution"
tragically, you probably don't have enough background to understand it really so - GO AND TALK TO THE SCIENTISTS!...
enjoy.
bonzonobeans 1 year ago
it makes me laugh how u back up evolution so hard
it has not been proven there is no proof so ur just an idiot and not to long ago people thought the world was flat
just cuz people think something may be true doesnt make it true
benoitdidnotdoit 1 year ago
it makes you laugh does it benoit?
lol - I'm simply reading the peer reviewed literature kiddo. Do you, an 18 year old hick from the wheatplains in canada thinks he knows more about evolution than leading, highly-qualified and educated research scientists?
indeed, just thinking somehting is true does not make it true... like your god for example. Fortunatly, research scientists can back up their studies with facts, unlike your god ;)
nice one kid.. stuff like this always makes me laugh.. ;)
bonzonobeans 1 year ago
cuz u dont got no evidence thats why u suddenly change the subject and yeah im 18 in great shape im makeing money i got a girl thats smokeing hot and i owe it all to the lord
benoitdidnotdoit 1 year ago
lol don't worry kid, I'm making money, I have a "smoking" hot girl and a very healthy family, and I owe none of it to your lord.
the problem here is that you're ignorant. You claim there is no evidence, not because there is none, but because you're ignorant of it. There are countless CENTURIES of man-hours of validated, logical research - you, quite simply, are ignorant of it.
it always makes me laugh when you fools claim there's no evidence. the fact is, you've never even looked ;)
enjoy!
bonzonobeans 1 year ago
you sond like michael jackson calling me ignorant
r u shure ur dating a girl r u shure it isnt a little boy?
benoitdidnotdoit 1 year ago
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hahahaa!
trying to change the subject won't make you any smarter kid... sorry ;)
i love it when you fools get backed up so hard against the wall of fact, you desparately lash out into irrelevant topics to try to avoid the point...
yawn.. when are you morons going to learn?? no really, when?
bonzonobeans 1 year ago
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"cuz u dont got no evidence thats why u suddenly change the subject"
i said that 2comments ago
u havent given me the evidence yet all ur doing is talking about random shit show me ur evidence or else ur the one changing the subject because thats still the subject were on u said the evidence was in ur side i gave u some evidence then u didnt give me anything
the onlyevidence ive ever seen to support evolution is you cuz ur like a monkey with a language u just say random crap
benoitdidnotdoit 1 year ago
bonzonobeans,
Please read Psalm 14;1, although I know you don't believe in God or in the validity of the Holy Scriptures.
However, although light is of no use to the blind, they can at least use a stick.
Sundaysunny2 1 year ago
lol, yeah, or the blind can educate themselves about reality and open their eyes, like I have done.
the fool has said there is no god? well I agree!
it's also true that the fool has said there IS a god.
both assertions are illogical, baseless and foolish, and I am making NEITHER assertions -you, however, are. ego, you are foolish.
enjoy your foolishness!
bonzonobeans 1 year ago
you may be right
Sundaysunny2 1 year ago
lol sundaysunny
funny that - imagine that thinking about it gets you somewhere.
so, I'll ask you, can you prove your god exists? can you justify your assertion that god exists?
bonzonobeans 1 year ago
@bonzonobeans If you felt an urge to listen to Gospel music - then don't fight this intrigue and learn more about what questions you have in your heart. You can do this by reading the bible and going to a Christian Church, and speaking to God. if you are merely here to wage war against his children by confusing them and turning them away, im gonna pray that the Lord may shield whoever comes on here and reads your comments. Your attack has been disabled.. in JESUS NAME
Turn2OurMostHighest 1 year ago
Peer reviewed literature is done by scientists, not philosophers. there is a distinction between logic and factual experimentation.
ledzeppelin1523 1 year ago
right, so are philosophers proving, logicaly, that evolution is false?
probably not. So I fail to see what relevance your comment in the context at all.
bonzonobeans 1 year ago
@bonzonobeans @bonzonobeans did you wake up this morning feeling the urge to speak to God's children and them away from him? If you don't believe in the Lord, then leave his children alone and allow them to praise their God in peace. If you refuse him, it doesnt mean we have to.
Turn2OurMostHighest 1 year ago
@bonzonobeans The thing you forget to realise is that those scientists who are apparently "qualified" can never surpass the intelligence of the Lord, if the Lord tells us something is true, we have no reason to believe its a lie - cause our Lord is unable to lie.
Turn2OurMostHighest 1 year ago
@bonzonobeans u can call me a fool but that just proves u cant debate the topic cuz the evidence has been pointing to god over evolution alot
even though neither have been proven real the fact still remains that only one is taught in science classes all over canada and united states
i learned about evolution in Catholic School for fuk sakes they taught it like it was proven fact and i didnt learn till later that it hasnt been proven
benoitdidnotdoit 1 year ago
@benoitdidnotdoit
kid, you're using youtube as your "evidence" -is this what you do in all your "debates"?
Actually, the only people who find evolution contentious are theists. The REST of the planet know what evolution is, how it works and what it means.
"only one"? only one what? only one evolution? there IS only one evolution.
look kid, there really is mountains of research on evolution, the fact that you're too lazy to read it does not mean that evolution is false, just that your lazy.
bonzonobeans 1 year ago
you can't tell me everything happened by chance..(.the big bang).....That sure is a lot of chances.
jil4141 2 years ago
@bonzonobeans.
Shut it. God made the universe. There's not one thing scientist can do to not prove it.
PerfectChristianity 2 years ago
I do admire your faith and willingness to protect the word of God and its truth friend, but be in mind that God is not forcing anyone to believe in Him. Those that do not will have to face that in the coming Judgment. Conduct yourself as Jesus commanded, with Love compassion and understanding. Even those that Do not believe are His children. Pray for them but do not extend a hand of anger.
Kagekaji2009 2 years ago
perfectchristianity.
HAHAHA!.. I love posts like this from you
"god made the universe, shuuuuut uuuup".
Closely followed by "scientists can't not prove it"..
Do you need to go read about "the burden of proof"? you're the one making the claim kiddo! now run along and educate yourself!
bonzonobeans 2 years ago
A priveleged planet I mean to say... Sorry
rambam302 2 years ago
Watch the DVD a priveleged and you'll see
How priveleged we are. Even evolutionary scientists in this film have decided thy we are not just a coincidence. We are in the zone called the habitable zone. 10 million lilesnor ao closer and we would burn and die. 10 million seems like alot but have u seen how big space is? Watch the film and you will see.
rambam302 2 years ago
rambam,
you seem suprised that life has formed at a position in space where it is conducive FOR life to form?
why are you suprised?
It would be far, far more suprising if life formed at a position in space where it is NOT conducive for life to form.
What is so suprising about life forming in a place where the conditions are optimal for life to form??
somone's logic is ALLL backwards!
bonzonobeans 2 years ago
Yes it is very conductive for life to form on this planet, however given the mathematical equation and by the logic you cling too the chances are astronomical that a planet would A)contain the right elements to produce life B) be in a perfect position relative to its sun to support life. The conditions on this planet all match up perfectly for life to exist. Even scientists have stated the chances of that happening on accident are very close to 0 its not even a full 1%
Kagekaji2009 2 years ago
the chances are astronomical are they?
Righto - what number do you think they are? one in a thousand? billion? million billion? one in a hundred thousand million billion zillion?
Now, just how many stars do you think there are?
There are more than 200 billion stars in our galaxy, there are more than a 100 thousand galaxies currently known, and that only comprises a miniscule fraction of the sky.
Whatever number you want, the universe can deliver.
deal with it, it's a statistical certainty.
bonzonobeans 2 years ago
Yes the chances are astronomical, and it follows basic physics. Perhaps you should pay attention more in high school and college instead of commenting on youtube. you might actually learn something of value
Kagekaji2009 2 years ago
lol - it follows basic physics. indeed it does - and I strongly doubt you really have any idea of the physics behind it, or the probability of those situations existing.
I am ENTIRELY amused that you say "it follows basic physics" and then you compeltely fail to specify which "basic" physics you think it follows - so, let's have your well-reasoned, mathematically verifiable analysis shall we kiddo?
bonzonobeans 2 years ago
How about you earn your masters in science then come talk to me :). Have a nice day.
Kagekaji2009 2 years ago
hehe.. aww, and here was me thinking you had the brains to back up your statement - obviously I was wrong.
yet another sad 20 year old theist who is trying to use logic to validate his ignorance... and failing utterly.
indeed, I do have a nice day - and laughing at you makes it that much better ;)
bonzonobeans 2 years ago
Lol i really donlt care what you think. maybe you should take a look at yourself, you say you dont watch these videos and yet you come her to post your comments and call others ignorant, what are you trying to prove that your smarter? Intelligence has nothing to do with beliefe son, you might as well give up your only making yourself look like an ass. I chose to believe, that doesnt make me stupid. that just makes me different than you and obviously happier, i dont terrorize other people :)
Kagekaji2009 2 years ago
This song is called God of Wonder not I could sing of your Love forever
GataiPatu 2 years ago
yo, this is God of Wonders, NOT I Could Sing of Your Love Forever
donkeykongBITCH 2 years ago
i love this song yes god is holy without him i'll be going to hell when i pass away..x dats y i'm gettin prepared..x
paulinakitoko 2 years ago
Dude wats up with the name
dpacski 2 years ago
love this vido
boylover974 2 years ago 2
Sunsets are indeed magnificent - a beautiful demonstration of the complexities of nature, the complex & vast interplay of light, matter and time.
The tragedy is this incomprehensibly intricate interplay is too difficult for us to fully understand in our megre minds. As a result, the more intellectually pathetic of us immediately assume it is the direct work of god.
How sad that you're too stupid to appreciate the vast complexities of it, and ASSUME that it "must" be the work of a god.
bonzonobeans 2 years ago
@bonzonobeans - listen to yourself..vast complexities, incomprehensibly intricate interplay..come from where? an accident? Pshh
retardedphil 2 years ago
erm.. complex? says who? you?
And by which benchmark to you think they are complex retardedphil?
ah yes - you YOUR mind. YOU cannot understand how they exist, and so YOU declare they are complex. You, with your little 3 kg brain who has trouble comprehending the distance to the other side of your mere country.
Well done, you just exposed the limitations of your own mind and arrogantly suggested that simply because your brain is too small to understand, they must therefore, be complex.
sigh..
bonzonobeans 2 years ago
Wow. "How sad you're too stupid.." Yeah, that'll make everyone decide that you must be right. Good job. You made me giggle.
kaydlajane 2 years ago
I think it requires very little to make you giggle kaydlajane, since you're having problems parseing the intent of my post, I'll use smaller words for you here:
you = too stupid to comprehend nature (don't worry, none of humanity can comprehend all of nature)
it's false to conclude that:
your inability to comprehend = uncomprehendable.
therefore, the fact that you can't comprehend something means only that you're ignorant, not that it is infinitely complex.
get it now?
bonzonobeans 2 years ago
Now let me clarify something for you, since you obviously misssed the meaning behind what I was saying:
Telling people they are too stupid to comprehend something means they're even more likely to disagree with you, whether you're right or not.
But I appreciate your narrowmindedness. Thanks for the lesson. It was very entertaining.
kaydlajane 2 years ago
oh no kaydleajan, I didn't miss it - I simply don't care.
I don't care if you agree with me or not - your agreement, or not, is independent of the fact.
Your being stupid does NOT make your god any more real. Sorry.
bonzonobeans 2 years ago
Uh, if you're trying to insult someone, learn to spell their name correctly. It makes you look a little smarter.
And secondly, I don't really care if you think I'm stupid because I know God is real. I think it's hilarious that you small minded people come on to these sorts of videos and try to insult us. You calling us stupid doesn't make a difference. In fact, it makes you look wrong. So nice try. A for effort. But we all know we're right. Sorry you're not open minded enough to know that.
kaydlajane 2 years ago
whoops, I spelled your name wrong - probably because I don't really care about how your name is spelled.
No kaydla, you don't know god is real. YOU THINK god is real because you're terrified of facing reality without a god. You make up your god so you feel like you have somone to protect you, somewhere to go when you die, and somone to take out the nasty people who teased you at school.
you don't know - you simply lie to yourself, sorry you're not open minded enough to know that ;)
bonzonobeans 2 years ago
That's the stereotype you give every person who believes in God. You don't know me personally, so it's a pretty crazy judgement to make. I don't expect God to "take out" the people that have wronged me in my life, and I know He won't protect me. If you took the time to learn about what you were shooting down, you'd know that. To have a decent arguement, which you don't, you need to know what you're talking about. Obviously we won't agree.
I'll pray that someone gets through to you, though.
kaydlajane 2 years ago
@kaydlajane
I don't need to know you personally. You are immaterial to the fact that there is no evidence of god at all. In fact, no humans need exist at all, and there will STILL be no proof of god.
Since you have no proof of god, how is it possible for you to insist that there is one? Simple - you make it up.
Its okay, making up a "father" figure is a basic behavioral trait for all social animals - we SEEK an alpha figure - if we can't find one, we make it up - exactly as you're doing
bonzonobeans 2 years ago
That would work, except I already have a father figure. Like I already said, we'll obviously not agree with each other. And that's fine. Although, I do have a question. Even if there was no god, why be so against the idea of something that makes others comforted and that teaches others to be kind and loving towards one another? There's no reason to be so against something that teaches doing the right thing just because you don't agree.
kaydlajane 2 years ago
@kaydlajane
sorry kid, your father figure is merely mortal. Do you need to look up the meaning of "alpha figure"? your god could easily beat up your dad, and that's what you want - somone who can beat up ANYONE - this is what hell is all about - beating up the bad guys.
The evil ramifications of relgion FAR outweigh it's benefits. That is why I loath and despise religion. Almost no religions teach free and unfettered thought, tolerance, peace and harmony - do you need to read the OT?
bonzonobeans 2 years ago
I'm not sure which Christianity you're aware of, but the Bible teaches tolerance. "You who are sinless, cast the first stone," means that if you aren't without sin, you are not to judge. I'm also very free thinking. I've tried a few religions, Christianity works for me. I question a lot in the Bible. I believe it's possible to have more than one life. And no, I don't want God just because he can "beat up" anyone. That doesn't matter to me at all, as I've said already.
kaydlajane 2 years ago
@kaydlajane
sorry mate, your genetics are far too strong in this case. The fact is; you're a social animal. You CRAVE an alpha figure - the problem is that you're smarter than the average monkey and you can make up an imaginary figure when you don't find one.
I'm not sure which christianity you're aware of, but god didn't show a whole lot of tolerance in Gen 19:24,26 Gen 7:21 Ex 4:23 Ex 12:12.. and so on.
oh yes, SUCH a tolerant god!..
"hypocrisy" - go look it up.
bonzonobeans 2 years ago
I'm aware of what hypocrisy is, thanks. For a third time, we're not going to agree. You can stop trying to make me feel stupid, or whatever, because you're not doing a good job. I know what I know, and you're wasting your time and energy trying to make me think otherwise. I don't need to defend myself to you. I was hoping maybe I'd get through to you, but I'm obviously not the one that's supposed to do that. All I can do is pray someone else will.
kaydlajane 2 years ago
@kaydlajane
you don't get it do you?
you don't "know" anything about god - you've simply made it up. I can easily prove it to you, since you have not one single concrete, logical or robust reason to believe in your god. There is not a single thing that you can show me, or anyone that proves your god. Nothing.
Since you have nothing, and you WANT to have something, you make it up!
If I'm wrong, then show me the reason you think a god exists. In fact, please do.
bonzonobeans 2 years ago
The point of faith is to believe in something you can't see, you can't concretely prove exists. It's just something you KNOW, without a doubt in your mind. I can't give you any reason that you'll accept of my knowledge in God's existance.
You don't get it, not me. I understand perfectly what you're saying, but I know that you're wrong. You feel the same way I do, though, about what you're telling me. So, for a fourth time, we won't agree no matter what. I know He is real, I'm sorry you don't.
kaydlajane 2 years ago
@kaydlajane
The "POINT" of you believing in your god is so that you can advocate something that you cant substantiate???
You have it backwards my friend - the point of faith is so that you can feel protected in spite of not having any reason to feel protected - you ASSERT the existence of your god so you can feel comforted. You ASSERT this god, in SPITE of not having a single way to justify such an assertion - this is the "point" of faith; to advocate something you know is a lie.
continued...
bonzonobeans 2 years ago
@kaydlajane
Imagine you are describing your god to two people with the view to proving it.
One is an analytical, careful, logical thinker, the other is an uneducated hick from midwestern USA.
Assume neither have heard of your god before hand at all.
I really want you to answer this; which of the two do you think will more easily believe you? Assume that ALL OTHER THINGS ARE EQUAL - i.e. background, race, experiences etc. etc. The only difference is in their analytical nature.
bonzonobeans 2 years ago
Neither. The logical one would spend lots of time thinking about what I said, analyzing every piece of information before deciding what they believed, and the uneducated hick would be more likely to think I was telling him crazy tales that couldn't possibly be true.
I don't know that what my beliefs are a lie, I know that they are true. I don't really understand why you're trying to shoot down something that brings me peace and joy especially in the times when I'm going through -continued-
kaydlajane 2 years ago
something rough. It makes me a better person, it helps me not to judge others as much, it helps me turn the other cheek, do the right thing, love easier. Just because you disagree with me doesn't mean you need to verbally attack me. I don't mind it really, the Bible said things like this would happen to believers. I can handle it. But you won't change my mind. It's like telling me two plus two is twenty-two rather than four. -continued-
kaydlajane 2 years ago
I know what I'm saying is fact, I'm not trying to force something through to make me feel better when I know deep down it's a lie. There is no doubt in my mind. My faith is too strong to falter. And if I am truly wrong, as you say, I'll find out when I die. Until then, I'm going to continue to believe what I believe and know that it's a fact, regardless of what you tell me.
kaydlajane 2 years ago
@kaydlajane
An interesting & incorrect answer.
Did you know that amongst the top research scientists in the usa, less than 10% of them believe in a personal god?
If you assume that a "top research scientist" is someone who is a very careful, intelligent and deliberate thinker, then why do you think that very, very few of the most intelligent people in your country don't believe in a god?
What is it that you're doing that they are not? Are they heathens? stupid? .... or just intelligent?
bonzonobeans 2 years ago
As I said, the logical person would take the time to think over the things I said. That's part of analyzing things.
I'm not a heathen, and I'm not stupid. I'm actually quite intelligent, which is why I think I question much more of what the Bible says than most Christians do. That's what a smart person does -- they question things, they search for the correct answer until they find it. It doens't just come naturally to them. It's sad to me that less than 10% of them believe, but -continued-
kaydlajane 2 years ago
you never know what happens right before they die. Hopefully they change their minds and get to spend eternity in Paradise with the Lord. And if you are, in fact, correct, then what does it matter what I believe while I'm alive? It won't make a difference when I die.
But if I am right, and I know that I am, then my belief makes a big difference and I'll be in Paradise with Him for eternity, and that's how I'd like to spend it.
kaydlajane 2 years ago
@kaydlajane
I didn't say you were a heathen nor unintelligent. Please read my post carefully.
Very well, question this:
Since you have no physical reason to believe in your god, can you 100% assert that your god exists, and how do you do it?
And also question this:
Is there a possibility, even the tiniest, that there is no god at all?
bonzonobeans 2 years ago
I have thought about your second question (I'll answer your first shortly) more times than I can count. I have wondered often if there is no god at all. And I still question it, mostly when things seem to go wrong in my life and the lives of those I love. And the answer for that I've come up with is that if there is no god, then my belief isn't hurting anything. If there is no god, then it won't matter after I die if I was wrong.
kaydlajane 2 years ago
@kaydlajane
wrong.
If there is no god, and you tell yourself there is, then you are not only telling yourself a lie, you are also believing it. I am not saying that you are lying to yourself with "there is a god", but rather "I know there is a god" - the fact is, you don't know there is a god. There may, or may not be - you simpy don't know.
The ramifications of this are deeper too - some theists assert that their god will solve the oil crisis, hate gay people, impose ancient morals etc.
bonzonobeans 2 years ago
My God doesn't hate gay people, and he won't solve the oil crisis, nor will he protect me from hardships, harm or hurt feelings. I can understand why you don't understand that I say I know there is a God, but I do know for a fact. Just because there is no scientific or physical proof of this doesn't mean it isn't true. That's part of what He does. He doesn't want there to be proof that he exists. He wants us to make the choice on our own, without plain evidence. And I have.
kaydlajane 2 years ago
@kaydlajane
leveticus 22:18
yes, your god considers gay sex to be an abomination. Sorry. your god is a bigot.
you're not getting my point - I am not saying there is no god, I am saying that YOU CANNOT assert there is one. The difference is important and subtle. As such, yes, the fact that there is no physical evidence is the entire point - you have NO REASON to assert god exists, ergo, any assertions you make are simply lies.
Do you understand the difference?
bonzonobeans 2 years ago
He considers it to be an abomination, yes, but that doesn't mean he hates them. You can love someone very much but seriously disagree with their choices. As for me, I don't personally feel anything is wrong with gay people. My uncle and his husband are gay, and I adore them almost more than my other family. I don't even disagree with their lifestyle choice. Had I voted, I would have voted to have gay marriage here in California.
And yes, I do understand the difference. -continued-
kaydlajane 2 years ago
But I also know that I speak fact. I know I'm not lying. I'm sorry you can't understand that, and I am apparently not explaining myself in a way to get you to understand. I do comprehend fully what you're saying. I cannot provide the physical evidence. But I know I speak the Truth. To say otherwise would be denial. I cannot say I think there is a God when I know there is one. That's like saying, I think I'm using a computer right now when it's clearly evident that I am.
kaydlajane 2 years ago
@kaydlajane
interesting, so despite the fact that you have absolutely no reason to believe in a god, absolutely zero logical rationale, absolutely zero justfication etc. you still, apparently, insist that you "know" that a god exists.
you simultaneously acknowledge that it is impossible for you to prove or assert your god.
Do you also assert that 2+2=5? because quite frankly, it's clear that you're not actually using your brain at all. Do you understand my point?
bonzonobeans 2 years ago
I do have reason to believe in God, it's just not the physical evidence you'd like me to provide. I have plenty of reason to believe in God. As I've said a few times, I do understand everything you're telling me. You aren't understanding my point, though. And that's okay, I don't expect you to. I never did. As I've said, I'm not the one God intends to change your mind, someone else hopefully will.
kaydlajane 2 years ago
For your first question, yes I can. You won't beleive me and I don't expect you to. But I'll answer it anyway. I can feel God, I know that he exists. He has proven Himself easily to me many times in my life, whether it be from stories others have told me, or from my own personal experiences with Him, which I don't need to share on YouTube. He's spoken to me, through me, He's used me for his Good Works. To me, it's just so evident that he exists that I can't imagine that He doesn't.
kaydlajane 2 years ago
@kaydlajane
your answer to my 1st question - the reason you think your god proves himself to you is that you're actually WANTING him to - you artificially look for reasons to assert his existence.
For EVERY case where your god has "proven himself", you should ask - is there ANY way that this event could happen naturally or randomly, given an infinite time and infinite space?
i.e. a rainbow appearing when you "ask for one" is simply change, not evidence of god.
bonzonobeans 2 years ago
Sometimes I want Him to prove Himself to me, and other times I'd rather he didn't. Sometimes I wish He would just disappear and not "help me out," especially when I can't understand how He is helping me. A lot of times it feels like He's hurting rather than helping, but I know that's not the case. He has a plan, and it is what it is. Just because I don't like it doesn' t mean it won't help me out later. And I know the rainbow thing is chance, God doesn't work like that.
kaydlajane 2 years ago
@kaydlajane
will you do an experiment for me?
In your prayers tonight, ask god to show himself to you, explain that you want to know that he exists and that you want to find good evidence of his existence okay? Explain to him that you need to conduct an experiment, and you need him to help you run it, and you hope that he, as a god, won't be offended by your actions.
Immediately after that, pray to your pillow. Ask for EXACTLY the same things.
Then wait for the sign. okay?
bonzonobeans 2 years ago
That would be pointless. I know that God will not show himself to me simply because I ask him to, whether I give reasons or not. I said that already. God doesn't work like that. God doesn't show himself because I say, "Hey God, show me a sign of your existance 'cause I really wanna see one." That would competely defeat the purpose of faith without seeing.
kaydlajane 2 years ago
@kaydlajane
indeed. God will not show himself to you when you ask...
Convenient, isn't it? Are you failing to understand the screamingly obvious point here?
1. you assert your god exists, without proof.
2. your god may, or may not show himself when you or don't ask.
Both of these points are ALSO EXACTLY consistent with there being no god. Yet, you insist that they are both proof of god?
Do you also assert that pixies exist, even though you've never seen them and they may, or may not manifest?
bonzonobeans 2 years ago
I don't deny the fact that pixies can exist, nor do I say right out that they do. I also don't deny the fact that there may be intelligent life out in space somewhere, and there's no evidence of that at all.
You have good points, and I appreicate your point of view. I really do. I enjoy these sorts of conversations. I understand what you've been saying, and the fact that those points provide proof for the both of us is part of what God intends.
You cannot change my mind in this.
kaydlajane 2 years ago
@kaydlajane
Okay, one more question, and unless you object strongly, I need you to answer it with one word only:
Can you 100% logically prove that your god exists?
bonzonobeans 2 years ago
No.
No, you're right. I cannot use logic to prove that God exists. I haven't tried to use logic to prove that He exists. All I've said is that I know that He does. It is literally impossible for me to even be able to fathom that He is not real. Like I said before, I have questioned it many times. I still question it often. But I always come back to the same conclusion.
kaydlajane 2 years ago
@kaydlajane, the point of my asking is this:
Since you cannot 100% logically prove that god exists, you MUST ACCEPT that god may NOT exist. This is not really a debatable point - is is as logical as basic mathematics: If you cannot prove that god exists, you are logically bound to accept the fact that god may NOT exist (note that this does not MEAN that god does not exist, only the possibility of him not existing).
You MUST acknowledge this is a possibility, unless you're totally brainwashed
bonzonobeans 2 years ago
I suppose it is possible that He may not exist. I'm acknowledged that already though, when I said that if I am wrong, it won't make a difference after I'm dead. If my belief is wrong, once I'm dead I'll find out.
But I know in my heart and my brain for a fact that God does exist. I can acknowledge that it might be possible that I'm wrong -- it is possible that everyone is wrong about a lot of things. But I know I'm not wrong. So acknowledging that point doesn't make much of a difference to me.
kaydlajane 2 years ago
@kaydlajane
since you've already acknowledged there is a possibilty that god does not exist, you are not able to assert "you know god exists", the two statements are logically incongruous.
Welcome to Agnosticism. You share company with some of the most brilliant minds in history; hawkings, newton, attenbourgh and charles darwin.
bonzonobeans 2 years ago
Except I'm not an Agnostic, I'm Christian. I know God exists. I don't know why it's so difficult for you to reach out and be open minded and comprehend that God isn't a logical thing, and so logic simply doesn't apply to it.
I already have made up my mind about God and the fact that he exists, so I can't be Agnostic. I know what I believe, I'm not entertaining the idea that I could be wrong. Logically I could be, but logic doesn't apply to faith and God.
kaydlajane 2 years ago