I agree that women should not be objectified in these films but that porn should be allowed to be made. I don't think that porn should be banned because I don't think that all of it is degrading, and some porn buisnesses are clean and pay their "actors"(?) a fair wage. The porn industry does need to have extremely strict rules.
I agreed with you until the end when you talked about not minding a person filming rascist porn for PERSONAL use i.e. not making a profit off of it. I think this because what is the difference of someone making for themselves or someone else. Agreeing that it should be created is still promoting racism and the idea that sexual sadism is right.
Oh, and your solution isn't actually regulating obscene material, which would be legal, no, you want to regulate porn that gives messages... do you not realize how quickly that would be smacked down by the supreme court as a violation of the 1st amendment? Oh no, but it's only for profit, you say. Well, what about the Copyright Clause. You actually cannot take away that RIGHT.
"I want to break down the walls enforced by pornography... I want to create a world where relationships are mutual and respectful... and pornography does stand in the way of this."
HOW? Because fantasies are played out on screen? Show me the links in the chain here. Some people LIKE to dominate or be dominated.
I still see porn as glamorous and high paying money. YES i do believe woman are exploited. I hope the woman get more rights and more money. I guess im brainwashed.
this is why i hate communism and socialism. their anti-pornography attitude seems to be based on a christian type morality and not on reason. most porn isn't even made by the porn industry. it's made by people at home who willingly have sex in front of a camera to make profit. some times to post it on the internet for free
@nuclearnight I am a pro-porn feminist. I have a lot more sympathy for cops, firefighters, teachers, factory workers and others than I do porn performers. I disagree with the racist element in porn, but I have never heard of some of the extremes you mentioned except when anti-porn feminists cite them in blogs. And, I have to ask -- what are these acts women are having orgasms to in porn that you don't think women do in real life?
the best porn is not made by the porn industry. it's made by people who do it for free and post it on the internet for free. i understand why it's kind of wrong to exploit women for money but i dont get why it's wrong to exploit yourself.
8:12 "But youre not gonna sell and make a profit out of it". In other words your own values and ideology can dictate whether or not someone should be able to make profit out of a particular form of entertaintment? Hey im against racism too, but I think youre way off here. Basically what you want is to rule over others and tell them what kind of sex is okay and what isnt. And youre wrong about the computer simulated child porn issue as well.
7:20 True. No one should LEARN about sex from watching porn. Thats not what porn is for. People should learn about sex in sex education, talking to parents or whatever is needed. But no one is forced to uphold the "standards of porn". Most of us realize porn is mostly just fiction, entertainment. People want to see the exceptional. To say that porn somehow influences our look on sex is 1. offensive because you think people are stupid and 2. false. Its like saying violent movies causes violence.
3:22 "Its really disturbing to me". It is disturbing to you because you dont seem to be able to comprehend that some people enjoy different kinds of sex. There are those who enjoy to be tied up and wipped. I dont really understand whats sexy about that, but many people thinks thats sexy and thats their business. 4:30 yes thats obvious. EVEYRYTHING is driven by the profit motive. Most of us realize porn does not depict sex in a realistic way, but many people like that. Theres always amateur porn.
2:09 Incredibly sexualizes violence against women? woot? I dont know what you mean by violence, but just mere intense and "hard" sex between two adult and consenting people is nothing wrong. And all the examples of racism in porn is just an exaggeration. You must have watched the most disgusting and vile kind of porn there is. I never ever seen a porn scene where a black chick is being called the n word.
In what way does pornography make objects of just women and not the man? I dont know what kind of porn you have watched, but in most I've seen it focuses equally on both the man and the woman. Also there are some porn where the man is being the dominant part, and theres also porn where it is the opposite. So dont come and say all porn is sexist and objectifies women. How is it objectificitation just to show two people fucking? Its like you have something against sexuality.
Imagine if porn disappeared. A few billion men all around the world would be on a rampage because social engineering has created a fervor of lust.
I don't advocate porn, I'm merely playing devils advocate. Historically speaking, men HAVE to have some sort of sexual activity. Currently, porn is an outlet for a large portion of that need.
In order to achieve what you want, it would require a global shift in the mentality of men.
To the men out there, no need to be offended this one has left long ago there's nothing that can be done, no sensible argument can be reached with someone who goes out in the street day by day and still believes 2:20 MOST MEN (can) PUNCH THE SHIT OUT OF WOMEN she will never be satisfied with any response because she does not live in our world , trust me don't bother. Watch it, then go to xvideo and forget it. Adios.
READ carefully ill copy past 4 u. MOST MEN (can) PUNCH THE SHIT OUT OF WOMEN. See the (can) in there. In any case my point would still stand. Moreover, anybody can punch anybody. And MOST men live by the code: Real men don't hit women. Men are the ones who go to jail for domestic abuse even when initiated or caused by her.(in other word's) even if she hits him. Open your eyes feminist unfairly accuse men. And u just did...
@nuclearnight ""Most men punch the shit out of women""?? MOST MEN really??? so most women should be in the hospital, not able to work because of broken bones, ladies night at the club would be a joke, really that's your argument MOST MEN HIT WOMEN. U know i've debated with many feminist but you don't deserve even 1 sec of any decent persons time not men or women. MOST MEN ?? at first i didn't agree with u but now i don't respect u as a person MOST MEN lol
Porn is not degrading to women; women mostly participate in porn because they enjoy being watched, this is why amateur porn is uploaded on sites similar to YouTube.
Women can be just as "horny" as men; some women like having multiple partners as do some men; Carla Bruni-Sarkozy, for.example.
Stop me if I'm wrong, but you seem to be implying that millions of men are holding millions of women in a sort of sexual slavery and virtually no one (including the actresses) are trying to stop it.
Feminism is an intelligence op started by the CIA.
Its sole intent is to destabilize and destroy the family unit, tax the other half of the population that before its inception was not being taxed, and through women working, allowing the child to be reared by the State at a much earlier age, thus being much more vulnerable to indoctrination.
I was at my friend's house and he was watching porn "Cougars in Heat", I left the house crying and screaming :( This film OBJECTIFIES MEN, all those 40 plus year old women exploiting young men and their sex drives. I feel sorry for those poor exploited men :( We need to ban pornography immediately!
people are sick basTARDS.pedaphilia has been recorded in the bible! long befor child porn! or porn for that matter.media of any kind isnt going to make some do something they dont want to do.king david sent bathshebas husband to the front line so he could have sex with her.read the bible its the oldest record known to man!
i think your problem is with makeing money,not ladies owning their sexuality.i think ladies doing what makes them happy is just your excuse to try and impose what you think is "right" and "wrong" and ultimatelt
"their aint no wrong/aint no right theirs only pleasure and pain" - janes addiction!
The only group of people that would benefit from regulating pornography are lawyers. Other than that (and the lack of reasoning and evidence for most claims), some food for thought.
Whats this racism stuff you keep talking about? I've seen none of it. Since you don't watch porn at least less than any average north american male, you don't have much room to judge it's content.
And yes their abused sometimes, its all for show. Its their job! Why don't you go down to a strip club and question the girl's morals.
"This is how you fuck" Who are you to judge how people should fuck? Rough sex is awesome, you should try it sometime.
i think porn could detour some violent sex or rape in real life by letting men or women watch the act and realese that sexual stress instead of going out in an alley and raping. it detours both men and women from raping. ps.-just for clarity i believe a female seducing a male is rape and i think women can rape just as easily as men
you also have to realize that regulating "the fuck out of" the pornography industry would not create the anti-porn utopia that your repressed mind has dreamt up.
if you look at past government attempts to regulate things society has embraced for thousands of years, it doesn't work and only brings it underground.
you have a very skewed view not only on visual entertainment but humanity itself.
your reflections on pornography would suggest that you also oppose violent films, video games and all forms of entertainment on the basis that people would be driven to kill others in real life based on what they know and see to be a false reality.
only mentally unstable people succumb to this.
pornography is used in the same way that we go to the movies and play games - to escape from reality for a moment.
I will just say this once. Young sexy girls that hate studying working and earning, are delighted there is a porn industry that can pay their ass only for doing what most mammals would enjoy. So next time you unleash your crazy ass philosophy to the masses, just go and slap some porn bitches first. Feminism is the reason porn still exists. Men need sex often biologically, women deny for no good reason, and thus men avoid testicular cancer by jerking off at something descent. Case closed
''women in porn are just objects to be fucked'' NO FUCKIN' SHIT!!!! It's porn! Everybody in porn is there to get fucked. That's the whole point. The men in porn get fucked too. There's no exploitation there. It's just performers doing their job. Get a fuckin' sex drive girl!
Porn was proven not to be a bad thing, I should know I looked up the study the government spent 200,000 tax payer dollars on to try and figure out whether or not it was.
Q1: If I watch a movie that has racism in it to demonstrate what racism is, should that movie be banned because it is racist?
Q2: If I watch a porno where there is sexism to show a fantasy one may have, should that porno be banned because it is sexist?
I am not quite sure where your criticism is placed? Is it the act of receiving funds for a sexual act, ie prostitution, the act itself (sex), or only certain acts that you may dislike (personal preference plays a part here), or its perception?
Aside from the relatively insightful criticism of this fool by the Amazing Atheist,but notice how she occasionally says we, when she means I, like the Unabomber.
How much time does she spend watching porn anyway?
If you're opposing porn, then why don't you confront those porn stars? In fact, you should present this to the Adult Entertainment Industry and present why it should be decommisioned(for lack of a better word)
Men aren't made objects?! Are you kidding me?! Have you actually watched porn? Hell I see a lot more objectification of men more now than women. Watch it before yuo judge it.
Now I am not pro-porn, but not anti-porn either. Your such a misandrist.
Hey I'm a feminist and I'm not anti-pornography. You radicals of today make us regular ol' feminists look crazy. Your radicalism is over such inane things it's crazy.
REAL feminism is about gaining women's rights. Denouncing porn has nothing to do with women's rights. Feminism encompasses ganing constitutional equality and ending economic injustice, stopping violence against women, and insuring reproductive rights.
You radicals make it about such inane things like a man opening a door for a woman.
Opposing pornography is a page right of the fundementalist handbook but just coming from a different direction. You guys believe things like dying your hair, wearing make-up, and looking sexy is anti-women. WTF??
Don't you care about the men in porn? Huh? Men are objectified too in porn. But no, it's just women, right?! Stop calling yourself a feminist you radical.
Yeah I have, you've never heard of the most popular type of pornography? Gonzo? Its the most commonly viewed type of pornography and the best selling and its incredibly violent and degrading.
Yeah, I've been studying pornography for awhile, I've seen sexual violence in the majority of it.
7J2H7 - you don't even watch porn but yet you are telling other people that there isn't violence against women in porn? WTF? Here's an idea - take some of your own advice - stop spewing opinions with no facts behind them.
Gonzo doesnt mean violent, idiot, it means that the way in which it is filmed places the viewer more into the scene (i.e. first person point of view)
Youre confused with Gonzo Journalism, which has come to mean extreme journalism, i.e. the journalist being in the war zone rather than just reporting on it.
porn is not saying women want to be inferior its saying THOSE WOMEN want to be inferior its them not all women u are a feminist and im sure u believe in womyn makin their on choices if they want to do porn then let them i love porn btw :) nobodys askin them to be role models
Your arguments are spurious. Life would be less enjoyable without porn. I don't watch it any more, but i'm so glad it was there when I was curious. There's plenty of good porn out there where nobody is being forced. And what kind of porn have you been watching where women are being forced? or punched? If you think what you're seeing is gross or horrible, don't watch it. What is wrong with you? What about gay male porn? Men aren't the only ones who enjoy porn. Liberated women do, too.
Show me concrete evidence of porn inciting violence against women. There is none. You make many points in this video, but provide very little decent evidence to support those points.
I agree with a lot of your fundamental beliefs. However, using porn as a scapegoat for sexism is bullshit.
Sexist institutions were already in place before the porn boom (advent of home video). If anything, gender equality has improved since the porn boom.
I never made the claim it causes sexism, only that it helps to propagate it. I have shown concrete evidence in many of my videos, why does every video I make on the subject have to have everything you want in it? Look at my other videos, look at antiquelens she's good about uploading studies and facts that support the idea that pornography isn't fun and games.
On my last video the sidebar has a link to a site which lists 12 studies which showed that pornography effects men view women.
I won't say that pornography doesn't negatively effect the the views of some very, very, very stupid males.
But your anger is misdirected. The oppression of women in modern American society largely stems from the advertising industry (which, unlike porn, portrays itself as attainable) and religion.
Pornography is just a punching bag. It's an easy target. Please, aim your anger and intelligence towards the true perpetrators of sexual oppression.
Did you know that most obscenity laws are not enforced within pornography on-line? If you get free on-line porn, chances are - you have jerked off to illegal things.
As much as I hate to say it. We need porn. I mean thoughts aren't as good as videos when ti comes to masturbation. Yea, at first everybody will be like "Yeah, we banned pornography! All dirty stuff is gone!" and then rape statistics will go up. Draw the dots? Also, female orgasms are real.
I'd like to see the statistical proof of that (meaning if degrading OBSCENE porn is made illegal - rape will go up). When they interview rapists - a lot of them admit to viewing rape porn. Some even say that if porn hadn't been available to them, they probably would have never had the idea to rape in the first place.
I'd really like some statistics with sources on some of these statements. If true, you're concerns are understandable and I'd be all too happy to promote awareness of the facts. Without being able to do that, I'm afraid others would find it all too plausible that I might be caught in the throws of a neurotic delusion... and I wouldn't really blame them. They could go in search of verification for my claims but that would likely be because they already agree. I would've raised zero awareness.
so what about gay/lesbian porn? does that objectify women. you have no basis for your argument whatsoever. show me some empirical evidence which backs up your position.
Okay - what about fucking a womans throat? What about EVERY SINGLE position used in porn? Rarely do any of those positions stimulate a womans vagina. Facials? Referring to women as "sluts, whores" etc... Every single porn I have ever seen has one thing in common - it is about pleasuring the man. If you are a man, you might not notice this because you could be clueless about what is ACTUALLY pleasureable for a woman.
what about every mans throat in gay porn, is that degrading men?
"Referring to women as "sluts, whores" etc"
not all porn is like that. on the contrary i'd say that just as much porn glorifies women rather than insults them, so using this as an argument against porn as a whole is just wrong.
and what about all the porn which is centered around male humiliation/men being dominated? i never hear anything about that being a problem.
xen - every guy I've ever known KNOWN (not just dated) that watches porn - watches the degrading stuff (I've known guys who felt porn is disgusting and trashy, as well as cliche and didn't watch it) . The fact that non-degrading porn exists doesn't erase the fact that the degrading stuff seems to be what people become addicted to, like my father. And honestly - I totally have a problem with men being sexually degraded on film.
xen - How do you know that the women aren't being scared into doing it with accusations of being black listed or not being paid? Go to Shelly Lubbens website and listen to some of the things these ex-porn actresses have gone through. It's almost TOTAL coersion. That isn't a free choice. I find that totally unacceptable. I find that wrong. YES - I do. Because these pornographers won't settle for women who aren't willing to degrade themselves.
Good video! I found you through antiquelens. I subbed :D I'm kind of new to the whole anti-porn movement but I'm more interested the more I learn about it.
Um no. Actually - we can move from immoral acts by discussing them. I think the larger problem is that porn is RARELY discussed in any context other than "it's just fantasy fun!!!!" Just like chocolate is rarely discussed in terms of the slaves that pick the cocoa beans. THAT is the problem, the SILENCE is the problem. How can we make responsible choices if we are never think about them?
My point was not that we shouldn't discuss unsettling topics. My point was getting rid of capitalist expoitation should do the job on porn. If a person so chooses to galavant around in their undies in front of a camera, atleast their labor won't be exploited. Did you just compare porn to actual chattel slavery? That is way more immoral than people rutting while others watch. I think you place way too much importance on your private parts. Sex has happened for billions of years, get over it.
Peacehand - I didn't compare porn and slavery, way to twist my words. I compared how people IGNORE the problems in each situation and continuing consuming without holding any kind of accountability. AND guess what? Enslaved women and children have been used in pornography. NICE TRY.
"If you don't like sexism or racism then attack those things."
That's what Im doing, whether or not its in porn. I deal with it in every aspect.
However you can't deny that it doesn't exist in porn.
I'm not trying to demolish the porn world. Nevertheless, I am trying to quench the negativity in porn (aka) racism, sexism and abuse towards women. I mean there is some sick shit in the porn industry. Babies getting raped, rape being recorded, racist abuse. I mean come on.. Would u like to see that?
Most definitely, Im a big fan of erotica. I'm not debating that. I just can't stand the men that get off on the racist and sexist porn. Example of sexist porn movie title "My dirty little whores" or a porn in which you hear repeatedly "nigger or any other racist slur" That's where my problem is. I could care less about women in bikinis or wearing revealing clothes (whatever) But when it deals with sexism, racism and young children involved. I have a deep hatred for those who get off on that.
I been thinking about this subject for awhile now. Thats shit called "porn" is completely degrading and sexist. Anyone that disagrees with that, are the fuckers getting off on it.
Sorry to use such strong language, but Im very passionate about this.
Hello Nuclear! I am gay, do you have a critique on gay pornography? I don't think porn encourages violence. In places where violence against women is sacrosanct (wife-whipping in Iran or genital mutiliation in Sudan), there's not a porn mag 2 b seen. I believe porn is okay as long as the men and women are consenting adults, I hold the same position on sex workers. How do you feel about "historical" porn, depictions of sex acts on ancient artifacts, statues, etchings, paintings etc?
hey blah. fellow homo here, I concur. her opinion seems to be an unthought out, knee-jerk reaction. there's an interesting piece on the ISIL website by Wendy McElroy called "Banning Pornography Endangers Women". I think all the folks that are so cavalier about obstructing free speech should read it. I
@krunk1980 hi krunk As for the violence against women argument, I would also suggest porn may actually prevent such violence. I'd rather a twisted individual consume porn in fantasy than perhaps act on their fantasy in real life and endanger someone else. Consensual sex should never be regulated, whether it's in front of a camera or not. As for depicting "obscenity" we should then stop Time magazine from printing, say, crime victims or war casualties, FAR more obscene than adult entertainment.
Porn doesn't prevent violence against women. Correlation does not = causation. If we want to start using that kind of logic - I can easily say that legalizing prostitution leads to an increase in sex trafficking.
Are you a woman? No. Than how can you really understand where we are coming from? When I see men fucking a womans throat in a porn and then have to deal with some asshole in my real life who thinks that's acceptable, than I take issue. If I had a dime for everytime a guy tried to pester me into doing something in porn and then call me a prude for not wanting to...
#1 - correlations does not = causation. The absence of porn in those societies has NOTHING to do with the violence placed upon women. Men still beat women in the US. Men still rape women in the US and we use more porn than any other point in history.
uh, no I'm not a woman but I am a gay man. I have guys want to do something sexual they've seen in porn that I'm not into all the time. You just say you're not into that. What a price for free speech, you have to actually tell a guy no instead of him intuitively knowing what you like!
btw some woman are into getting their throat fucked and you probably ARE a prude. not to mention a professional victim. thank god I'm gay.
I'm not a prude. And I'm not a victim but as a woman, dealing with hetero men who think they are entitlted to get whatever the fuck they want from women - it becomes annoying. Good thing you ARE a man because men rarely feel entitled to get what they want from other men.
If you say you don't want to let your partner throat fuck you - does he keep pestering you? Is that common with all of your partners?
Have they ever just gone ahead and throat fucked you without your permission? Because that's happened to me. I don't feel necessarily like it shattered my earth but it would be nice to never have to worry about.
I'm not gonna divulge my most humiliating sexperiences on here but I'll just say I've been with VERY aggressive guys who got their way regardless of what I said. It would be nice if assholes respected people's boundaries but u said urself correlation=/=causation but even if it did, I still stand by it being a small price to pay for free speech.
do you think I like seeing the unlimited stream of antigay bs in the media? I would never suggest obstructing free speech tho.
Well I'm against censorship as well but I still think people should speak up. Pointing out why you think something might be problematic (like antigay BS in media) is not the same as telling people what to do. When I say I'm anti-porn - I'm antiporn within my own life. I won't date guys who need it, it's because I've seen a huge difference between men who do and men who don't and their attitudes towards me and women in general (I'm sure there are exceptions, I just haven't met them).
well back to your correlation/causation argument. did you ever consider that the guys watching porn are naturally more type-A personalities and seek it out as opposed to assuming porn caused them to act a certain way?
Oh and btw - I said MOST women don't like getting throat fucked. Out of all of my friends, guess how many enjoy being throat fucked? None. Some of them watch porn with their partners and none of them are feminists.
Pornography is an unrealistic, objectifying method of controlling sexuality so that it's confined. You're either the dominant or the dominated. And in porn, the woman is dominated and the man is the dominator. I agree with Nuclear on this one.
wow..umm...if you've never seen pornography where men are made objects, you haven't watched enough porn......clearly.....Ever heard of a dominatrix?
Porn is there...it will be there whether you like it or not...if you don't like it..don't watch it...if you don't want your kids watching it, pay some damned attention to what your kids are doing....actually raise them instead of simply allowing them to grow up....
Dominatrix porn is still marketed to MEN, where the woman is the PRODUCT.
Parents SHOULDN'T HAVE TO constantly police the TV and internet, and magazine ads, and every single type of media where objectification and sexualized imagery dominate the paradigm. You'd have to lock children in a closet to protect them from it.
@ eljagg01 "Parents SHOULDN'T HAVE TO constantly police the TV and internet"
if not parents, who? the government? authorities? a church group? and if all media should be fit for children, hell, we as a society to be reduced to only what's fit for children! This country needs to grow up and get laid, bad!
Porn comes from too much hierarchy in society? Nah, its from not enough of it. When you make it more expensive to succeed than to fail, when you make it more honorable to give than to trade, when you hold up huts in the jungle as not inferior, but just different, from the skyline of New York City, what you do to people is make them desperate, somehow, to assert their supeiority
So they go to the last place that egalitarianism hasnt touched, sex, and you get a perverse attempt at self-esteem
Good points. It is AMAZING to me how many people are protective of porn...even while there could be kids watching/reading this (maybe their own!) They don't care...you can link them to videos of hookers/porn stars speaking out about it from their own words, they can listen to them comment—even the horse's mouth is not enough for them! It's harmful to the self, to women, to society, and there is no escaping that. Its sad how many here defend it...so obviously destructive!
Pornography has been around for as long as mankind has been drawing cave paintings. They recently found pornographic papyrus drawings in Egypt. That said I am against it, but it isn't going away anytime soon. Instead you can look forward to it reaching dizzying heights as the End of Days draw to a close.
uh yes. yes it is too much to ask. just because you say you don't want to control people's thoughts doesn't mean you don't. when you say you want men to stop getting off on raping and abusing women in the form of the fantasy of porn that is EXACTLY thought policing. if you want to make tough laws about when men do it in reality that's a different story. and btw erotica for women by women is often about them being dominated too, so don't claim only men have the rape fantasy.
Krunk - Why don't you cry out against the porn industry for instilling these fantasies? People are influenced as to what they like and don't like everyday, that type of media very powerful. So the porn industry keeps introducing certain types of porn to men,,,making it more and more extreme why aren't they accused of mind control?
Zaimoren-Because porn is not only optional to view, but you have to be 18 (21 some places) to watch it and it's controlled. If you want to start banning certain types of media because it influences it in a negative way, where does it end?
it's very likely you enjoy things I find offensive. How would you like it if I had decided it should be banned? the rewards of free speech WAY outweigh the price, which is you have to allow things you find offensive.
hahahahaha, you don't have to be 18. When I was 15, and I went to porn sites and they asked me my age - I fucking lied. Anyone who thinks teenagers are too stupid to figure that out are completely naiive.
So you think suggesting to men that maybe they should reconsider how their "fantasies" might affect their attitudes in real life towards women is the same as being the thought police? I use to watch porn but after reading some discussions about the visual cues within it - my opinion changed. I started seeing why it is degrading and that it is just another mechanism - like the 50's housewife - to keep women subordinate to men.
I agree that porn tells lies about women in terms of saying that women want to be abused and shit, but not only is there porn for women showing guys more (rare though), but anybody who watches porn and thinks that's all she is must be a dumbass. I love porn, but if I met them in real life, I'd treat them like a woman. I have a friend that's a stripper and I give her just as much respect as any other woman. I also don't believe porn makes them sex objects. That depends on the person's view.
WOW! you have a very narrow view of porn. there is plenty of porn with no women in it at all. there is also plenty where the woman dominates the man. And plenty with no men for that matter. careful about sweeping generalizations, especially when you want to suppress free speech (and yes I know you qualified it by saying as long they don't make money on it. I still think that infringes on free speech)
I agree. I believe that even people who go against wrong shit like porn (I love porn though) are keeping double standards alive. Why is it that porn is considered only for men using women? Like you said, there's porn that have men being dominated, as well as straight men who are desparate enough to do gay porn because they pay more. It's almost like a lot of femanists are saying that women don't like sex. If so, then maybe it is wrong, but I've never met a woman who never liked sex, even fam.
@brucenatelee- even if women didn't like sex it wouldn't matter. they get paid for it and no one forces them to do it. I have to to a lot of things I don't like for money and when I was younger a lot of them were more degrading than having sex on camera (and paid much less)! that's just life and that's why it's a J-O-B!
Once you have degrading sex on camera and then you SELL it in a market - you are selling a sexuality that you don't even consider a real sexuality. That is a problem. Many women in porn say they wouldn't date a guy who wanted degrading sex but are willing to do it on video... And it's like - ALL women have to deal with these distorted views on female sexuality - not just the porn actresses.
The point is that MOST women don't like the type of sex in porn. Most of the positions depicted aren't positions that stimulate a womans clit. Having some guy fuck your throat? Having him cum all over your face? Anal? None of those things are pleasureable for most women. None of those acts make me horny... but it teaches men to get horny over those acts. Trust me - all of my straight friends find the degrading shit women do a turn on. What does that say about them?
After seeing this, I asked some women (all feminists, none white) about this pornography stuff, they laughed about the apparent 'racism' and objectivication in pornography. It's just people fucking, you're either insecure about it or not.
Is there a difference between monetary profit and non-monetary profit? What is it, and why? If there is a difference, why should they be treated differently?
I don't like fake titties, but if you do want to know what I like, I like them hand sized, light, and soft. Were you paying any attention to the video? She called herself fat in this video. WTF? is right. WTF is up you ass?
I agree that women should not be objectified in these films but that porn should be allowed to be made. I don't think that porn should be banned because I don't think that all of it is degrading, and some porn buisnesses are clean and pay their "actors"(?) a fair wage. The porn industry does need to have extremely strict rules.
imgonnahurtugood 1 year ago
I agreed with you until the end when you talked about not minding a person filming rascist porn for PERSONAL use i.e. not making a profit off of it. I think this because what is the difference of someone making for themselves or someone else. Agreeing that it should be created is still promoting racism and the idea that sexual sadism is right.
imgonnahurtugood 1 year ago
Oh, and your solution isn't actually regulating obscene material, which would be legal, no, you want to regulate porn that gives messages... do you not realize how quickly that would be smacked down by the supreme court as a violation of the 1st amendment? Oh no, but it's only for profit, you say. Well, what about the Copyright Clause. You actually cannot take away that RIGHT.
generaleskimo 1 year ago
"I want to break down the walls enforced by pornography... I want to create a world where relationships are mutual and respectful... and pornography does stand in the way of this."
HOW? Because fantasies are played out on screen? Show me the links in the chain here. Some people LIKE to dominate or be dominated.
generaleskimo 1 year ago
Why does a motive towards money ENSURE that what they create is "harmful". Other than your blanket assertions, I am still not seeing this harm.
Also, a person's willingness to actually do a job determines whether or not it is "worth it", not your outside opinion.
generaleskimo 1 year ago
Ok, what the hell are you talking about? What porn are you watching?
generaleskimo 1 year ago
I still see porn as glamorous and high paying money. YES i do believe woman are exploited. I hope the woman get more rights and more money. I guess im brainwashed.
jon2xu 1 year ago
this is why i hate communism and socialism. their anti-pornography attitude seems to be based on a christian type morality and not on reason. most porn isn't even made by the porn industry. it's made by people at home who willingly have sex in front of a camera to make profit. some times to post it on the internet for free
luxfero 1 year ago
@luxfero
I oppose pornography because I am a feminist. Not because I am a communist.
I oppose the working conditions that the pornography industry keeps for it workers because I am a communist.
nuclearnight 1 year ago
@nuclearnight I am a pro-porn feminist. I have a lot more sympathy for cops, firefighters, teachers, factory workers and others than I do porn performers. I disagree with the racist element in porn, but I have never heard of some of the extremes you mentioned except when anti-porn feminists cite them in blogs. And, I have to ask -- what are these acts women are having orgasms to in porn that you don't think women do in real life?
nikkiwindham 1 year ago
the best porn is not made by the porn industry. it's made by people who do it for free and post it on the internet for free. i understand why it's kind of wrong to exploit women for money but i dont get why it's wrong to exploit yourself.
luxfero 1 year ago
8:12 "But youre not gonna sell and make a profit out of it". In other words your own values and ideology can dictate whether or not someone should be able to make profit out of a particular form of entertaintment? Hey im against racism too, but I think youre way off here. Basically what you want is to rule over others and tell them what kind of sex is okay and what isnt. And youre wrong about the computer simulated child porn issue as well.
MajinVegeto89 1 year ago
7:20 True. No one should LEARN about sex from watching porn. Thats not what porn is for. People should learn about sex in sex education, talking to parents or whatever is needed. But no one is forced to uphold the "standards of porn". Most of us realize porn is mostly just fiction, entertainment. People want to see the exceptional. To say that porn somehow influences our look on sex is 1. offensive because you think people are stupid and 2. false. Its like saying violent movies causes violence.
MajinVegeto89 1 year ago
3:22 "Its really disturbing to me". It is disturbing to you because you dont seem to be able to comprehend that some people enjoy different kinds of sex. There are those who enjoy to be tied up and wipped. I dont really understand whats sexy about that, but many people thinks thats sexy and thats their business. 4:30 yes thats obvious. EVEYRYTHING is driven by the profit motive. Most of us realize porn does not depict sex in a realistic way, but many people like that. Theres always amateur porn.
MajinVegeto89 1 year ago
2:09 Incredibly sexualizes violence against women? woot? I dont know what you mean by violence, but just mere intense and "hard" sex between two adult and consenting people is nothing wrong. And all the examples of racism in porn is just an exaggeration. You must have watched the most disgusting and vile kind of porn there is. I never ever seen a porn scene where a black chick is being called the n word.
MajinVegeto89 1 year ago
In what way does pornography make objects of just women and not the man? I dont know what kind of porn you have watched, but in most I've seen it focuses equally on both the man and the woman. Also there are some porn where the man is being the dominant part, and theres also porn where it is the opposite. So dont come and say all porn is sexist and objectifies women. How is it objectificitation just to show two people fucking? Its like you have something against sexuality.
MajinVegeto89 1 year ago
Imagine if porn disappeared. A few billion men all around the world would be on a rampage because social engineering has created a fervor of lust.
I don't advocate porn, I'm merely playing devils advocate. Historically speaking, men HAVE to have some sort of sexual activity. Currently, porn is an outlet for a large portion of that need.
In order to achieve what you want, it would require a global shift in the mentality of men.
mhaneline 2 years ago
To the men out there, no need to be offended this one has left long ago there's nothing that can be done, no sensible argument can be reached with someone who goes out in the street day by day and still believes 2:20 MOST MEN (can) PUNCH THE SHIT OUT OF WOMEN she will never be satisfied with any response because she does not live in our world , trust me don't bother. Watch it, then go to xvideo and forget it. Adios.
TheOutspokenman1 2 years ago
@TheOutspokenman1
Listen carefully - I said most men CAN punch the shit out of women.
nuclearnight 2 years ago
READ carefully ill copy past 4 u. MOST MEN (can) PUNCH THE SHIT OUT OF WOMEN. See the (can) in there. In any case my point would still stand. Moreover, anybody can punch anybody. And MOST men live by the code: Real men don't hit women. Men are the ones who go to jail for domestic abuse even when initiated or caused by her.(in other word's) even if she hits him. Open your eyes feminist unfairly accuse men. And u just did...
TheOutspokenman1 2 years ago
@nuclearnight ""Most men punch the shit out of women""?? MOST MEN really??? so most women should be in the hospital, not able to work because of broken bones, ladies night at the club would be a joke, really that's your argument MOST MEN HIT WOMEN. U know i've debated with many feminist but you don't deserve even 1 sec of any decent persons time not men or women. MOST MEN ?? at first i didn't agree with u but now i don't respect u as a person MOST MEN lol
TheOutspokenman1 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Your views amount to an attempt to control other people's sexual expression.
It is doomed to fail as it continues to do so on a daily basis...
I've heard this talk going back decades now and it hasn't made one jot of difference.
SuperUFB 2 years ago
Porn is not degrading to women; women mostly participate in porn because they enjoy being watched, this is why amateur porn is uploaded on sites similar to YouTube.
Women can be just as "horny" as men; some women like having multiple partners as do some men; Carla Bruni-Sarkozy, for.example.
Stop me if I'm wrong, but you seem to be implying that millions of men are holding millions of women in a sort of sexual slavery and virtually no one (including the actresses) are trying to stop it.
poniesinashed 2 years ago
Feminism is an intelligence op started by the CIA.
Its sole intent is to destabilize and destroy the family unit, tax the other half of the population that before its inception was not being taxed, and through women working, allowing the child to be reared by the State at a much earlier age, thus being much more vulnerable to indoctrination.
Research these facts.
AK410 2 years ago
Women are naturally submissive. It's how estrogen works.
kronker 2 years ago
10 minutes of this broad ranting on pron!? Fuck that shit, put on some proper lipstick and get a good... well... I'll try to be civil.
Boltman35 2 years ago
I was at my friend's house and he was watching porn "Cougars in Heat", I left the house crying and screaming :( This film OBJECTIFIES MEN, all those 40 plus year old women exploiting young men and their sex drives. I feel sorry for those poor exploited men :( We need to ban pornography immediately!
PassionForPasta 2 years ago
We should ban ALL acting, ponography or not. Women are the delicate flowers in this matter, men are not objectified at all.
PassionForPasta 2 years ago
i still can't handle this video...
farmingisforme 2 years ago
btw you are hot i wanna make movies with you ;)
smashbeans 2 years ago
people are sick basTARDS.pedaphilia has been recorded in the bible! long befor child porn! or porn for that matter.media of any kind isnt going to make some do something they dont want to do.king david sent bathshebas husband to the front line so he could have sex with her.read the bible its the oldest record known to man!
smashbeans 2 years ago
i think your problem is with makeing money,not ladies owning their sexuality.i think ladies doing what makes them happy is just your excuse to try and impose what you think is "right" and "wrong" and ultimatelt
"their aint no wrong/aint no right theirs only pleasure and pain" - janes addiction!
smashbeans 2 years ago
go put some makeup on..
fucking ew!
mumsler 2 years ago
The only group of people that would benefit from regulating pornography are lawyers. Other than that (and the lack of reasoning and evidence for most claims), some food for thought.
leporidus 2 years ago
lol, there are plenty of women who direct/make porn movies in the porn business. What do you say about that?
OodoNoodo 2 years ago
@OodoNoodo
Wow, I didn't realize that because women did something that makes it okay.
Women molest children too, I guess we should stop questioning that since women are incapable of doing anything wrong.
nuclearnight 2 years ago
Whats this racism stuff you keep talking about? I've seen none of it. Since you don't watch porn at least less than any average north american male, you don't have much room to judge it's content.
And yes their abused sometimes, its all for show. Its their job! Why don't you go down to a strip club and question the girl's morals.
"This is how you fuck" Who are you to judge how people should fuck? Rough sex is awesome, you should try it sometime.
PremusRed 2 years ago
i think porn could detour some violent sex or rape in real life by letting men or women watch the act and realese that sexual stress instead of going out in an alley and raping. it detours both men and women from raping. ps.-just for clarity i believe a female seducing a male is rape and i think women can rape just as easily as men
mansonfollower15 2 years ago
you also have to realize that regulating "the fuck out of" the pornography industry would not create the anti-porn utopia that your repressed mind has dreamt up.
if you look at past government attempts to regulate things society has embraced for thousands of years, it doesn't work and only brings it underground.
alcohol and marijuana are excellent examples.
harvey101107 2 years ago
you have a very skewed view not only on visual entertainment but humanity itself.
your reflections on pornography would suggest that you also oppose violent films, video games and all forms of entertainment on the basis that people would be driven to kill others in real life based on what they know and see to be a false reality.
only mentally unstable people succumb to this.
pornography is used in the same way that we go to the movies and play games - to escape from reality for a moment.
harvey101107 2 years ago
I will just say this once. Young sexy girls that hate studying working and earning, are delighted there is a porn industry that can pay their ass only for doing what most mammals would enjoy. So next time you unleash your crazy ass philosophy to the masses, just go and slap some porn bitches first. Feminism is the reason porn still exists. Men need sex often biologically, women deny for no good reason, and thus men avoid testicular cancer by jerking off at something descent. Case closed
graphattic 2 years ago 2
''women in porn are just objects to be fucked'' NO FUCKIN' SHIT!!!! It's porn! Everybody in porn is there to get fucked. That's the whole point. The men in porn get fucked too. There's no exploitation there. It's just performers doing their job. Get a fuckin' sex drive girl!
theheatofthemoment 2 years ago 2
Absolutely fuckin' right!!!! Only the lifeless, rejected females ramble on about bullshit like this.
theheatofthemoment 2 years ago
Porn was proven not to be a bad thing, I should know I looked up the study the government spent 200,000 tax payer dollars on to try and figure out whether or not it was.
JesterTheNightmare 2 years ago
Q1: If I watch a movie that has racism in it to demonstrate what racism is, should that movie be banned because it is racist?
Q2: If I watch a porno where there is sexism to show a fantasy one may have, should that porno be banned because it is sexist?
I am not quite sure where your criticism is placed? Is it the act of receiving funds for a sexual act, ie prostitution, the act itself (sex), or only certain acts that you may dislike (personal preference plays a part here), or its perception?
lolgoodies 2 years ago
Aside from the relatively insightful criticism of this fool by the Amazing Atheist,but notice how she occasionally says we, when she means I, like the Unabomber.
How much time does she spend watching porn anyway?
HConstantine 2 years ago
I stopped watching at 7:30 absolutely shameful that you actually think these thoughts
aweiss 2 years ago
5:54
oh it shows!!! ROFL
aweiss 2 years ago
5:06
working itself is exploitation I see.
5:25 can you imagine how much more injury would occur if instead of watching porn people had this sex?
You say it is degrading but why would it not be women's nature to want to have sex, men do... Are you saying women are different!?!?!?!
aweiss 2 years ago
2:18
violence against women has steadily dropped recently as porn has expanded.
3:15
whites in porn have no sex and don't seem like sexual animals... Ever think these are your own constructs?
4:00
ROFL one, you watch a lot of what you hate and two, sorry you have not found much personality depths.
4:20
yea, thats anime, who makes anime? Japan! Its a national pastime.
4:30
should porn be driven by government mandate? 4:36 what people want the most essentially, oh no!
aweiss 2 years ago 2
1:45
have you seen the penis size on those men? That is objectifying. They are usually fit and look good I suppose.
1:54
just because women have receiving parts and men have the insertion parts doesnt mean anything frankly.
aweiss 2 years ago
Why did the woman cross the road?
What? Who the hell let her out of the kitchen in the first place!?!?
Now go make me a sandwich you radical idiot.
kevmr1 2 years ago 2
If you're opposing porn, then why don't you confront those porn stars? In fact, you should present this to the Adult Entertainment Industry and present why it should be decommisioned(for lack of a better word)
BlackHeartMetal666 2 years ago 3
Men aren't made objects?! Are you kidding me?! Have you actually watched porn? Hell I see a lot more objectification of men more now than women. Watch it before yuo judge it.
Now I am not pro-porn, but not anti-porn either. Your such a misandrist.
7J2H7 2 years ago 2
Hey I'm a feminist and I'm not anti-pornography. You radicals of today make us regular ol' feminists look crazy. Your radicalism is over such inane things it's crazy.
REAL feminism is about gaining women's rights. Denouncing porn has nothing to do with women's rights. Feminism encompasses ganing constitutional equality and ending economic injustice, stopping violence against women, and insuring reproductive rights.
7J2H7 2 years ago 4
You radicals make it about such inane things like a man opening a door for a woman.
Opposing pornography is a page right of the fundementalist handbook but just coming from a different direction. You guys believe things like dying your hair, wearing make-up, and looking sexy is anti-women. WTF??
Don't you care about the men in porn? Huh? Men are objectified too in porn. But no, it's just women, right?! Stop calling yourself a feminist you radical.
7J2H7 2 years ago 2
I'm not a radical feminist actually thanks for trying though.
I also dye my hair and wear makeup.
We're talking about violence against women not petty BS.
nuclearnight 2 years ago
@nuclearnight
Having sex on camera isn't violence. Me punching you around is violence.
7J2H7 2 years ago 2
@7J2H7
Unless you're punching me around on camera for men to jerk off to. Then its "art".
nuclearnight 2 years ago
Many porns don't gave women, or men, getting punched around. Have you ever watched regular porn? Not this crazy crap your talkingg about?
7J2H7 2 years ago 4
@7J2H7
Yeah I have, you've never heard of the most popular type of pornography? Gonzo? Its the most commonly viewed type of pornography and the best selling and its incredibly violent and degrading.
Yeah, I've been studying pornography for awhile, I've seen sexual violence in the majority of it.
nuclearnight 2 years ago
Nope. Because I'm not really into porn. I just hate when people spew opinions with no facts behind it. Lame.
7J2H7 2 years ago
@7J2H7
You're so totally full of shit.
Blocked.
nuclearnight 2 years ago
7J2H7 - you don't even watch porn but yet you are telling other people that there isn't violence against women in porn? WTF? Here's an idea - take some of your own advice - stop spewing opinions with no facts behind them.
cannibalcountry 2 years ago
Gonzo doesnt mean violent, idiot, it means that the way in which it is filmed places the viewer more into the scene (i.e. first person point of view)
Youre confused with Gonzo Journalism, which has come to mean extreme journalism, i.e. the journalist being in the war zone rather than just reporting on it.
Get your facts straight.
Douche.
AboveMaliciousBliss 2 years ago 2
porn is not saying women want to be inferior its saying THOSE WOMEN want to be inferior its them not all women u are a feminist and im sure u believe in womyn makin their on choices if they want to do porn then let them i love porn btw :) nobodys askin them to be role models
brianasymone91 2 years ago
Your arguments are spurious. Life would be less enjoyable without porn. I don't watch it any more, but i'm so glad it was there when I was curious. There's plenty of good porn out there where nobody is being forced. And what kind of porn have you been watching where women are being forced? or punched? If you think what you're seeing is gross or horrible, don't watch it. What is wrong with you? What about gay male porn? Men aren't the only ones who enjoy porn. Liberated women do, too.
083770 2 years ago
MAKE ME A SANDWICH PLZZZ
HDJames8 2 years ago
You're pulling this out of your ass, my dear. Pornography is a form of escapism. It's entertainment.
Your arguments are dubious and without merit.
LibPornQuig 2 years ago
@LibPornQuig
Yeah I just pulled all of this out of my ass without thinking about it or doing any research at all.
nuclearnight 2 years ago
Show me concrete evidence of porn inciting violence against women. There is none. You make many points in this video, but provide very little decent evidence to support those points.
I agree with a lot of your fundamental beliefs. However, using porn as a scapegoat for sexism is bullshit.
Sexist institutions were already in place before the porn boom (advent of home video). If anything, gender equality has improved since the porn boom.
LibPornQuig 2 years ago 3
I never made the claim it causes sexism, only that it helps to propagate it. I have shown concrete evidence in many of my videos, why does every video I make on the subject have to have everything you want in it? Look at my other videos, look at antiquelens she's good about uploading studies and facts that support the idea that pornography isn't fun and games.
On my last video the sidebar has a link to a site which lists 12 studies which showed that pornography effects men view women.
nuclearnight 2 years ago
I won't say that pornography doesn't negatively effect the the views of some very, very, very stupid males.
But your anger is misdirected. The oppression of women in modern American society largely stems from the advertising industry (which, unlike porn, portrays itself as attainable) and religion.
Pornography is just a punching bag. It's an easy target. Please, aim your anger and intelligence towards the true perpetrators of sexual oppression.
LibPornQuig 2 years ago
People have already responded to and debunked this vile vitriol so I say this to you.
You are a fucking idiot.
JoanMichele 2 years ago
and omfg u contradict ur self so damn much my lord. did u even prepare for this video?? and most of ur points are flawed.
DougEFresh98 2 years ago
Okay, why don't you debunk them then smart guy?
nuclearnight 2 years ago
ur finding this kind of porn because ur lookin for it. look for not racist not disgusting porn and u wont find it. simple.
DougEFresh98 2 years ago
I've analyzed top selling mainstream pornography, not gone looking for fetish stuff.
nuclearnight 2 years ago
There are a lot of unsupported assertions in this video. Did you just make them up?
SomeRandomAhole 2 years ago 4
Of course she did.
happyjesus123 2 years ago
Did you know that most obscenity laws are not enforced within pornography on-line? If you get free on-line porn, chances are - you have jerked off to illegal things.
cannibalcountry 2 years ago
same with many women. I USE to watch porn - until I thought about it more.
cannibalcountry 2 years ago
I'm sorry, you do realise porn or substitutes of it have been around as long as humans figured out how to carve things into shapes.
If you werent aware of that fact, I suggest you look up some history.
Porn is here to stay, instead of whining about its existance, start whining about its legality which is the REAL matter here.
A legal porn industry is a safe porn industry, women suffer in the current industry because it is unregulated, its that simple.
BeardedBill86 2 years ago
Also I'd like to add to another thing you said, violence and women don't mix?
Sorry, but one of my ex's actually confessed to enjoying something I refused to do, which is be violent to her during sex (not my cup of tea).
In the REAL world you speak of some women actually enjoy violent men and violent sex, its sad but its a fact that I know from personal experience.
And I'm afraid as a woman that has admitted she does not enjoy sex, try to stick to speaking about what you actually know.
BeardedBill86 2 years ago
Sad to see how many perverts flock to defend their precious habit.
eljagg01 2 years ago
As much as I hate to say it. We need porn. I mean thoughts aren't as good as videos when ti comes to masturbation. Yea, at first everybody will be like "Yeah, we banned pornography! All dirty stuff is gone!" and then rape statistics will go up. Draw the dots? Also, female orgasms are real.
SymmetricPanda 2 years ago
I'd like to see the statistical proof of that (meaning if degrading OBSCENE porn is made illegal - rape will go up). When they interview rapists - a lot of them admit to viewing rape porn. Some even say that if porn hadn't been available to them, they probably would have never had the idea to rape in the first place.
cannibalcountry 2 years ago
doesn't matter about all the hate comments this video will get, it's all true.
ashestoyoursoul 2 years ago
In all seriousness: cool story, sis.
Surhotchaperchlorome 2 years ago
I'd really like some statistics with sources on some of these statements. If true, you're concerns are understandable and I'd be all too happy to promote awareness of the facts. Without being able to do that, I'm afraid others would find it all too plausible that I might be caught in the throws of a neurotic delusion... and I wouldn't really blame them. They could go in search of verification for my claims but that would likely be because they already agree. I would've raised zero awareness.
smhussain62 2 years ago
so what about gay/lesbian porn? does that objectify women. you have no basis for your argument whatsoever. show me some empirical evidence which backs up your position.
xentech 2 years ago
The existence of gay and lesbian porn doesn't erase the objectification of women in hetero porn.
cannibalcountry 2 years ago
yes but it does erase the validity of using the argument of female objectification against porn in general.
but regardless, please give me some proof or reasoning for this objectification because I just don't see it.
xentech 2 years ago
Okay - what about fucking a womans throat? What about EVERY SINGLE position used in porn? Rarely do any of those positions stimulate a womans vagina. Facials? Referring to women as "sluts, whores" etc... Every single porn I have ever seen has one thing in common - it is about pleasuring the man. If you are a man, you might not notice this because you could be clueless about what is ACTUALLY pleasureable for a woman.
cannibalcountry 2 years ago
what about every mans throat in gay porn, is that degrading men?
"Referring to women as "sluts, whores" etc"
not all porn is like that. on the contrary i'd say that just as much porn glorifies women rather than insults them, so using this as an argument against porn as a whole is just wrong.
and what about all the porn which is centered around male humiliation/men being dominated? i never hear anything about that being a problem.
xentech 2 years ago 2
xen - every guy I've ever known KNOWN (not just dated) that watches porn - watches the degrading stuff (I've known guys who felt porn is disgusting and trashy, as well as cliche and didn't watch it) . The fact that non-degrading porn exists doesn't erase the fact that the degrading stuff seems to be what people become addicted to, like my father. And honestly - I totally have a problem with men being sexually degraded on film.
cannibalcountry 2 years ago
and furthermore i don't even see what's degrading about this. the women want to do it, and it's made for men. the target market of this is men.
PEOPLE WANT TO SEE IT.
who are you to tell women what to do with their bodies and what men should watch? just because YOU think it's wrong.
and that's all that it is, YOU think it's wrong. there is nothing inherently wrong with this material providing all parties are consensual and of age.
xentech 2 years ago 2
xen - How do you know that the women aren't being scared into doing it with accusations of being black listed or not being paid? Go to Shelly Lubbens website and listen to some of the things these ex-porn actresses have gone through. It's almost TOTAL coersion. That isn't a free choice. I find that totally unacceptable. I find that wrong. YES - I do. Because these pornographers won't settle for women who aren't willing to degrade themselves.
cannibalcountry 2 years ago
you can leave at ANY time. Purely consensual, period.
aweiss 2 years ago
aweiss - you don't know what you are talking about.
cannibalcountry 2 years ago
u cannot leave porn, oh yea. Go fuck yourself you waste of space
aweiss 2 years ago
Good video! I found you through antiquelens. I subbed :D I'm kind of new to the whole anti-porn movement but I'm more interested the more I learn about it.
wobina 2 years ago
/watch?v=qt_0ko4njmc
Skip to 1:50 for the relevant points.
Peace.
Surhotchaperchlorome 2 years ago
I think after the exploitation of labor thing, everything else will fall into place.
But do you actually endeavour to stop all ridiculous and atrocious acts anywhere in the world?
Thats what porn is, ridiculous and atrocious and not to be taken seriously.
If you are infact being consistent, you have to oppose this not in just the porn industry, but the world over.
So are we executing people if they veer off from your moral compass?
Thats the only way I see to stop every "deviant" act.
Peacehand 2 years ago
Um no. Actually - we can move from immoral acts by discussing them. I think the larger problem is that porn is RARELY discussed in any context other than "it's just fantasy fun!!!!" Just like chocolate is rarely discussed in terms of the slaves that pick the cocoa beans. THAT is the problem, the SILENCE is the problem. How can we make responsible choices if we are never think about them?
cannibalcountry 2 years ago
My point was not that we shouldn't discuss unsettling topics. My point was getting rid of capitalist expoitation should do the job on porn. If a person so chooses to galavant around in their undies in front of a camera, atleast their labor won't be exploited. Did you just compare porn to actual chattel slavery? That is way more immoral than people rutting while others watch. I think you place way too much importance on your private parts. Sex has happened for billions of years, get over it.
Peacehand 2 years ago 2
Peacehand - I didn't compare porn and slavery, way to twist my words. I compared how people IGNORE the problems in each situation and continuing consuming without holding any kind of accountability. AND guess what? Enslaved women and children have been used in pornography. NICE TRY.
cannibalcountry 2 years ago
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Virgil0211 2 years ago
and that's what I encourage others to do. In all aspects of life coming from a woman's point of view. We can do without some of that shit.
ExoticByNature 2 years ago
Trust
I have!
Those things I take very seriously.
ExoticByNature 2 years ago
To Each Its Own
ExoticByNature 2 years ago
"If you don't like sexism or racism then attack those things."
That's what Im doing, whether or not its in porn. I deal with it in every aspect.
However you can't deny that it doesn't exist in porn.
I'm not trying to demolish the porn world. Nevertheless, I am trying to quench the negativity in porn (aka) racism, sexism and abuse towards women. I mean there is some sick shit in the porn industry. Babies getting raped, rape being recorded, racist abuse. I mean come on.. Would u like to see that?
ExoticByNature 2 years ago
Most definitely, Im a big fan of erotica. I'm not debating that. I just can't stand the men that get off on the racist and sexist porn. Example of sexist porn movie title "My dirty little whores" or a porn in which you hear repeatedly "nigger or any other racist slur" That's where my problem is. I could care less about women in bikinis or wearing revealing clothes (whatever) But when it deals with sexism, racism and young children involved. I have a deep hatred for those who get off on that.
ExoticByNature 2 years ago
THANK YOU!!!!
I been thinking about this subject for awhile now. Thats shit called "porn" is completely degrading and sexist. Anyone that disagrees with that, are the fuckers getting off on it.
Sorry to use such strong language, but Im very passionate about this.
ExoticByNature 2 years ago
Tracy Lords is my Heroine.
Cumeth!
teebs70 2 years ago
Hello Nuclear! I am gay, do you have a critique on gay pornography? I don't think porn encourages violence. In places where violence against women is sacrosanct (wife-whipping in Iran or genital mutiliation in Sudan), there's not a porn mag 2 b seen. I believe porn is okay as long as the men and women are consenting adults, I hold the same position on sex workers. How do you feel about "historical" porn, depictions of sex acts on ancient artifacts, statues, etchings, paintings etc?
blahblahblah8183 2 years ago
hey blah. fellow homo here, I concur. her opinion seems to be an unthought out, knee-jerk reaction. there's an interesting piece on the ISIL website by Wendy McElroy called "Banning Pornography Endangers Women". I think all the folks that are so cavalier about obstructing free speech should read it. I
krunk1980 2 years ago
@krunk1980 hi krunk As for the violence against women argument, I would also suggest porn may actually prevent such violence. I'd rather a twisted individual consume porn in fantasy than perhaps act on their fantasy in real life and endanger someone else. Consensual sex should never be regulated, whether it's in front of a camera or not. As for depicting "obscenity" we should then stop Time magazine from printing, say, crime victims or war casualties, FAR more obscene than adult entertainment.
blahblahblah8183 2 years ago
Porn doesn't prevent violence against women. Correlation does not = causation. If we want to start using that kind of logic - I can easily say that legalizing prostitution leads to an increase in sex trafficking.
cannibalcountry 2 years ago
Are you a woman? No. Than how can you really understand where we are coming from? When I see men fucking a womans throat in a porn and then have to deal with some asshole in my real life who thinks that's acceptable, than I take issue. If I had a dime for everytime a guy tried to pester me into doing something in porn and then call me a prude for not wanting to...
cannibalcountry 2 years ago
#1 - correlations does not = causation. The absence of porn in those societies has NOTHING to do with the violence placed upon women. Men still beat women in the US. Men still rape women in the US and we use more porn than any other point in history.
cannibalcountry 2 years ago
@cannibalcountry-
uh, no I'm not a woman but I am a gay man. I have guys want to do something sexual they've seen in porn that I'm not into all the time. You just say you're not into that. What a price for free speech, you have to actually tell a guy no instead of him intuitively knowing what you like!
btw some woman are into getting their throat fucked and you probably ARE a prude. not to mention a professional victim. thank god I'm gay.
krunk1980 2 years ago
I'm not a prude. And I'm not a victim but as a woman, dealing with hetero men who think they are entitlted to get whatever the fuck they want from women - it becomes annoying. Good thing you ARE a man because men rarely feel entitled to get what they want from other men.
cannibalcountry 2 years ago
If you say you don't want to let your partner throat fuck you - does he keep pestering you? Is that common with all of your partners?
Have they ever just gone ahead and throat fucked you without your permission? Because that's happened to me. I don't feel necessarily like it shattered my earth but it would be nice to never have to worry about.
cannibalcountry 2 years ago
@cannibalcountry
I'm not gonna divulge my most humiliating sexperiences on here but I'll just say I've been with VERY aggressive guys who got their way regardless of what I said. It would be nice if assholes respected people's boundaries but u said urself correlation=/=causation but even if it did, I still stand by it being a small price to pay for free speech.
do you think I like seeing the unlimited stream of antigay bs in the media? I would never suggest obstructing free speech tho.
krunk1980 2 years ago
Well I'm against censorship as well but I still think people should speak up. Pointing out why you think something might be problematic (like antigay BS in media) is not the same as telling people what to do. When I say I'm anti-porn - I'm antiporn within my own life. I won't date guys who need it, it's because I've seen a huge difference between men who do and men who don't and their attitudes towards me and women in general (I'm sure there are exceptions, I just haven't met them).
cannibalcountry 2 years ago
@cannibalcountry
well back to your correlation/causation argument. did you ever consider that the guys watching porn are naturally more type-A personalities and seek it out as opposed to assuming porn caused them to act a certain way?
krunk1980 2 years ago
Oh and btw - I said MOST women don't like getting throat fucked. Out of all of my friends, guess how many enjoy being throat fucked? None. Some of them watch porn with their partners and none of them are feminists.
cannibalcountry 2 years ago
Pornography is an unrealistic, objectifying method of controlling sexuality so that it's confined. You're either the dominant or the dominated. And in porn, the woman is dominated and the man is the dominator. I agree with Nuclear on this one.
DianaBoston 2 years ago 2
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ifwere1021 2 years ago
okay so dekyl and you are both and regulating porn right?
What really is the diagreement then?
FriendOregon 2 years ago
wow..umm...if you've never seen pornography where men are made objects, you haven't watched enough porn......clearly.....Ever heard of a dominatrix?
Porn is there...it will be there whether you like it or not...if you don't like it..don't watch it...if you don't want your kids watching it, pay some damned attention to what your kids are doing....actually raise them instead of simply allowing them to grow up....
AmethystLiz 2 years ago 4
I don't have kids but thanks for the useless advice.
nuclearnight 2 years ago
Dominatrix porn is still marketed to MEN, where the woman is the PRODUCT.
Parents SHOULDN'T HAVE TO constantly police the TV and internet, and magazine ads, and every single type of media where objectification and sexualized imagery dominate the paradigm. You'd have to lock children in a closet to protect them from it.
eljagg01 2 years ago
@ eljagg01 "Parents SHOULDN'T HAVE TO constantly police the TV and internet"
if not parents, who? the government? authorities? a church group? and if all media should be fit for children, hell, we as a society to be reduced to only what's fit for children! This country needs to grow up and get laid, bad!
blahblahblah8183 2 years ago 2
If keeping PORN out of mainstream media constitutes "being reduced to only what's fit for children", you have a sick and twisted idea of normalcy.
eljagg01 2 years ago
Porn comes from too much hierarchy in society? Nah, its from not enough of it. When you make it more expensive to succeed than to fail, when you make it more honorable to give than to trade, when you hold up huts in the jungle as not inferior, but just different, from the skyline of New York City, what you do to people is make them desperate, somehow, to assert their supeiority
So they go to the last place that egalitarianism hasnt touched, sex, and you get a perverse attempt at self-esteem
grantsinmypants2 2 years ago
Good points. It is AMAZING to me how many people are protective of porn...even while there could be kids watching/reading this (maybe their own!) They don't care...you can link them to videos of hookers/porn stars speaking out about it from their own words, they can listen to them comment—even the horse's mouth is not enough for them! It's harmful to the self, to women, to society, and there is no escaping that. Its sad how many here defend it...so obviously destructive!
Neurolanis 2 years ago
Pornography has been around for as long as mankind has been drawing cave paintings. They recently found pornographic papyrus drawings in Egypt. That said I am against it, but it isn't going away anytime soon. Instead you can look forward to it reaching dizzying heights as the End of Days draw to a close.
hobo59 2 years ago
Good video, but not all porn is like that. :/
deathberry0 2 years ago
So you basically want to be the thought police. Collectivist thought always degenerates into a homogenized group think. Fuck that.
ZoneGrise 2 years ago
I don't want to control anyone's thoughts, I want men to stop getting off on raping and abusing women, is that really so much to ask?
nuclearnight 2 years ago
uh yes. yes it is too much to ask. just because you say you don't want to control people's thoughts doesn't mean you don't. when you say you want men to stop getting off on raping and abusing women in the form of the fantasy of porn that is EXACTLY thought policing. if you want to make tough laws about when men do it in reality that's a different story. and btw erotica for women by women is often about them being dominated too, so don't claim only men have the rape fantasy.
krunk1980 2 years ago
Krunk - Why don't you cry out against the porn industry for instilling these fantasies? People are influenced as to what they like and don't like everyday, that type of media very powerful. So the porn industry keeps introducing certain types of porn to men,,,making it more and more extreme why aren't they accused of mind control?
Zaimoren 2 years ago
Zaimoren-Because porn is not only optional to view, but you have to be 18 (21 some places) to watch it and it's controlled. If you want to start banning certain types of media because it influences it in a negative way, where does it end?
it's very likely you enjoy things I find offensive. How would you like it if I had decided it should be banned? the rewards of free speech WAY outweigh the price, which is you have to allow things you find offensive.
krunk1980 2 years ago
krunk - I never said ban. Nope, nada, never.
Zaimoren 2 years ago
hahahahaha, you don't have to be 18. When I was 15, and I went to porn sites and they asked me my age - I fucking lied. Anyone who thinks teenagers are too stupid to figure that out are completely naiive.
cannibalcountry 2 years ago
So you think suggesting to men that maybe they should reconsider how their "fantasies" might affect their attitudes in real life towards women is the same as being the thought police? I use to watch porn but after reading some discussions about the visual cues within it - my opinion changed. I started seeing why it is degrading and that it is just another mechanism - like the 50's housewife - to keep women subordinate to men.
cannibalcountry 2 years ago
I agree with most of what you say here. I'd be interested in knowing what you think about my video on pornography /watch?v=EM1Evqr93kg
mr1001nights 2 years ago 2
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R0thbard 2 years ago
here how I should say this, Girls are more powerful than man especially skinny girls.
sideslide23 2 years ago
I agree that porn tells lies about women in terms of saying that women want to be abused and shit, but not only is there porn for women showing guys more (rare though), but anybody who watches porn and thinks that's all she is must be a dumbass. I love porn, but if I met them in real life, I'd treat them like a woman. I have a friend that's a stripper and I give her just as much respect as any other woman. I also don't believe porn makes them sex objects. That depends on the person's view.
brucenatelee 2 years ago
WOW! you have a very narrow view of porn. there is plenty of porn with no women in it at all. there is also plenty where the woman dominates the man. And plenty with no men for that matter. careful about sweeping generalizations, especially when you want to suppress free speech (and yes I know you qualified it by saying as long they don't make money on it. I still think that infringes on free speech)
krunk1980 2 years ago
I agree. I believe that even people who go against wrong shit like porn (I love porn though) are keeping double standards alive. Why is it that porn is considered only for men using women? Like you said, there's porn that have men being dominated, as well as straight men who are desparate enough to do gay porn because they pay more. It's almost like a lot of femanists are saying that women don't like sex. If so, then maybe it is wrong, but I've never met a woman who never liked sex, even fam.
brucenatelee 2 years ago
@brucenatelee- even if women didn't like sex it wouldn't matter. they get paid for it and no one forces them to do it. I have to to a lot of things I don't like for money and when I was younger a lot of them were more degrading than having sex on camera (and paid much less)! that's just life and that's why it's a J-O-B!
krunk1980 2 years ago
Once you have degrading sex on camera and then you SELL it in a market - you are selling a sexuality that you don't even consider a real sexuality. That is a problem. Many women in porn say they wouldn't date a guy who wanted degrading sex but are willing to do it on video... And it's like - ALL women have to deal with these distorted views on female sexuality - not just the porn actresses.
cannibalcountry 2 years ago
The point is that MOST women don't like the type of sex in porn. Most of the positions depicted aren't positions that stimulate a womans clit. Having some guy fuck your throat? Having him cum all over your face? Anal? None of those things are pleasureable for most women. None of those acts make me horny... but it teaches men to get horny over those acts. Trust me - all of my straight friends find the degrading shit women do a turn on. What does that say about them?
cannibalcountry 2 years ago
I'm jerking off to this video
seriously
AAL 2 years ago
"PORNOGRAPHY TELLS LIES ABOUT WOMEN."
Of course it does, but who actually believes that's the way women should be treated? Except for muslims...
Boopedi 2 years ago
After seeing this, I asked some women (all feminists, none white) about this pornography stuff, they laughed about the apparent 'racism' and objectivication in pornography. It's just people fucking, you're either insecure about it or not.
tegustajazz 2 years ago
Is there a difference between monetary profit and non-monetary profit? What is it, and why? If there is a difference, why should they be treated differently?
Chrisnoscrub047 2 years ago
Some woman have sexy bodies they choose to make pornography with because they have a clue.
You're just jealous, overweight, and mad so you try to sound sophisticated, by being indifferent. You're not fooling anyone, but yourself.
MrDumberTHANyou 2 years ago 3
WTF? She's not fat. And you know what? Anyone can suck enough cock to buy a pair of fake titties.
cannibalcountry 2 years ago
I don't like fake titties, but if you do want to know what I like, I like them hand sized, light, and soft. Were you paying any attention to the video? She called herself fat in this video. WTF? is right. WTF is up you ass?
MrDumberTHANyou 2 years ago