Kid, I'm getting bored of you now... The player in this video drops the ball but manages to kick it as it hits the ground, making this a drop kick. At no point in this video does the ball touch another player. This means that the result was a drop kick.
Trying to talk about the ball touching another player is pathetic. Its the last act of a desperate man and shows me that you have nothing to contribute to this conversation.
@patergaskin You strike me as ignorant, argumentative and actually rather silly. You made a clear suggestion that the ball must touch the ground to count as a knock-on and to evidence that claim you yourself have in fact provided a counter-example to it (touching another player)! Ridiculous. Also, I would second what MGoose66 says about interpretation - I am a cricket umpire, and there is so much teaching that goes on to inform officials how to apply laws that you don't see from the plain text.
@villafan001 The point of the discussion was: Did the ref make the right decision in the video. So with this in mind, allow me to spoon-feed you... To correct my earlier point: The ball must touch the ground OR ANOTHER PLAYER to be a knock on. Thank you for insisting that this detail be correct, however you have proven your utter idiocy to me by failing to see that this detail has no significance to the point of the discussion. You are therefore dismissed.
@patergaskin My comment was not related to the general ongoing discussion between you - it was simply that the statement that you made was factually incorrect. I undertook no part and have no interest in the rest of your debate about the video's correctness, so I don't really see how your criticism is valid.
@villafan001 So basically you decided to get involved in something that did not concern you to tell me what your perception of me is... In that case, allow me to respond:
@patergaskin Effectively yes - though I can see how the average reader of these comments could have a similar perception. I was merely trying to assist you in noticing that your complete lack of logical process throughout your conversation really undermined what you were trying to say. Plus, if the matter 'doesn't concern me', it'd probably be wiser if you didn't post it on a notoriously popular public forum.
Ok there are too many idiots on here with opinions but no idea about the rules of rugby.... The ref actually got this one wrong... It doesn't matter if he didn't intend to drop kick it, the result was a drop kick... It was a useless drop kick, but it was a drop kick none-the-less.... Intention does not matter.... If he had intended to pass it for example, but had knocked on, then it would be a knock on because again, intention doesn't matter. Only the result matters.
@patergaskin You may be right about the rules, I don't know. But it's a bit rich to call people idiots when the example you used to explain it was so bad
@MrLjkh Don't worry, he's actually wrong. The LAWS of the game and their official interpretation dictates this is a knock on. if he and his example were correct, then anybody who dropped the ball close enough to the posts could then have a crack at kicking it over and then claiming a field goal - obvious rubbish! And as for intention, there are many examples in the laws, especially foul play, where intention matters very much indeed (eg: tripping)
@patergaskin Not true at all. Firstly, it is you that is ignorant, not the ref. There are no rules in Rugby, they are laws. Secondly, losing control of the ball forwards is a knock on. It does not have to touch the ground to do that. international ref's spend years in training and are assessed and selected at the highest level. You?
@MGoose66 That was pathetic. Firstly youre trying to argue semantics over whether they are called rules or laws. I'm sorry but that is just so pathetic, I'm simply going to dismiss it. Secondly, The ball DOES have to touch the ground to be called a knock on you dumb fuck!... Shows how much you know... You should rather comment on subjects you actually have a clue about... Now fuck off and dont waste my time again.
@patergaskin Swearing and rudeness does not make you less ignorant. As a Nationally (IRB accreditation) qualified Level 2 referee, who's been part of the game for over 30 years, I definitely outrank you. It seems that the ref here, and most of this forum agree. I invite you to qualify as a ref at any level (beyond your arm chair)! Or maybe you'd like to read the Laws at least - they are available on line. Why would you think you know more than experienced and qualified referees?
@MGoose66 Youtube is such an easy place to lie about who you are... Here is the IRB's official definition of a knock on (please check the website):
DEFINITION: KNOCK-ON
A knock-on occurs when a player loses possession of the ball and it goes forward, or when a player hits the ball forward with the hand AND THE BALL TOUCHES THE GROUND or another player before the original player can catch it.
You might want to study a bit harder before you apply for level 3 there pal.
@patergaskin So, wrong again. You said it MUST touch the ground & in your correct definition you say OR ANOTHER PLAYER, so QED. Why would I need to check the website? You would be unaware of official "interpretation guidelines" which in this case include judgements on losing control, viz: in this video. My Au NOAS number is 6205667 - if you have any real connection to sports officiating, feel free to log on and look me up. It's good to see you not swearing as you lose the argument.
@MGoose66 You're clutching at straws now. Earlier u said "losing control of the ball forwards is a knock on. It does not have to touch the ground to do that"... And only now that u've seen the official definition (which u got from me), ur talking about the fact that the ball can also touch another player 2 be a "knock on". Not only is this U-turn of urs pathetic, its irrelevant too. The ball does not touch another player in this video.
You don't know enough about rugby & you're wasting my time.
@patergaskin You've quoted me correctly, yet I am still 100% correct, so what's your problem? Can't admit defeat in an argument? You said, "The ball DOES have to touch the ground to be called a knock on", which you might now humbly admit is WRONG. I have read and been formally examined on the laws many times, unlike you, obviously. Further, there are 'official' interpretations of the laws (case scenarios) that make the play in the vid a knock on too. Read the other opinions too!
@killdapure3 Actually, he fumbled the ball and tried to turn it into a drop kick so as to avoid conceding a knock-on. But he is not entirely known for kicking that far out.
@killercorncob1 Unless you're a kiwi no you don't. I'm Scottish and as i recall we hold the bragging rights against the springboks and the wallabies. The southern hemisphere don't dominate anymore, just New Zealand
@brupey i've been keeping up on the tri nations and I've never seen a weaker springbok side. Admittedly the Northern hemisphere are really going to struggle to hold Australia and we've got nothing to match New Zealand yet
@92Knife Of course it's a weak Springbok side - their top 22 players have been "injured". It will be different this weekend. I predict a NZ - France final
@dazman38 why u calling him dickhead dazman 38 , he attempted field goal dont make false accusations
because the springboks are the best- if u call him dickhead - den i wull come n fuck ur mum n she better be hot cause i dont want to waste my time - ur a dickhead n so ur cousin
Nice try.
atheistscepticism 6 days ago
definetly went for a drop kick, wanted to slot that through the sticks. easy. no questions that he wanted to land that. :P xD
chinnyize 2 weeks ago
wtf!!! no way thats a drop goal attempt. hahahah
sams11074156 2 weeks ago
definitely a knock on. no arguing that haha.
MushiMGO 1 month ago
Mgoose66 is a moron
fftlpunkkid 1 month ago
Kid, I'm getting bored of you now... The player in this video drops the ball but manages to kick it as it hits the ground, making this a drop kick. At no point in this video does the ball touch another player. This means that the result was a drop kick.
Trying to talk about the ball touching another player is pathetic. Its the last act of a desperate man and shows me that you have nothing to contribute to this conversation.
You are now dismissed.
patergaskin 2 months ago
@patergaskin You strike me as ignorant, argumentative and actually rather silly. You made a clear suggestion that the ball must touch the ground to count as a knock-on and to evidence that claim you yourself have in fact provided a counter-example to it (touching another player)! Ridiculous. Also, I would second what MGoose66 says about interpretation - I am a cricket umpire, and there is so much teaching that goes on to inform officials how to apply laws that you don't see from the plain text.
villafan001 2 weeks ago
@villafan001 The point of the discussion was: Did the ref make the right decision in the video. So with this in mind, allow me to spoon-feed you... To correct my earlier point: The ball must touch the ground OR ANOTHER PLAYER to be a knock on. Thank you for insisting that this detail be correct, however you have proven your utter idiocy to me by failing to see that this detail has no significance to the point of the discussion. You are therefore dismissed.
patergaskin 2 weeks ago
@patergaskin My comment was not related to the general ongoing discussion between you - it was simply that the statement that you made was factually incorrect. I undertook no part and have no interest in the rest of your debate about the video's correctness, so I don't really see how your criticism is valid.
villafan001 2 weeks ago
@villafan001 So basically you decided to get involved in something that did not concern you to tell me what your perception of me is... In that case, allow me to respond:
Your opinion is of zero significance.
I now consider this matter to be closed.
patergaskin 1 week ago
@patergaskin Effectively yes - though I can see how the average reader of these comments could have a similar perception. I was merely trying to assist you in noticing that your complete lack of logical process throughout your conversation really undermined what you were trying to say. Plus, if the matter 'doesn't concern me', it'd probably be wiser if you didn't post it on a notoriously popular public forum.
villafan001 1 week ago
The Ref have two eyes and a brain to do the game
rydertupua 2 months ago
haha "it was a drop kick" suuure it was ruan
SportsViids 3 months ago
i would kill myself if i could kick the far!! lol=)
bryanohlson 3 months ago
false.. if you lose control of the ball its a knock on.. even if you kicked it over
romanator90210 3 months ago
Ok there are too many idiots on here with opinions but no idea about the rules of rugby.... The ref actually got this one wrong... It doesn't matter if he didn't intend to drop kick it, the result was a drop kick... It was a useless drop kick, but it was a drop kick none-the-less.... Intention does not matter.... If he had intended to pass it for example, but had knocked on, then it would be a knock on because again, intention doesn't matter. Only the result matters.
patergaskin 3 months ago
@patergaskin You may be right about the rules, I don't know. But it's a bit rich to call people idiots when the example you used to explain it was so bad
MrLjkh 3 months ago
@MrLjkh Don't worry, he's actually wrong. The LAWS of the game and their official interpretation dictates this is a knock on. if he and his example were correct, then anybody who dropped the ball close enough to the posts could then have a crack at kicking it over and then claiming a field goal - obvious rubbish! And as for intention, there are many examples in the laws, especially foul play, where intention matters very much indeed (eg: tripping)
MGoose66 3 months ago
@patergaskin Not true at all. Firstly, it is you that is ignorant, not the ref. There are no rules in Rugby, they are laws. Secondly, losing control of the ball forwards is a knock on. It does not have to touch the ground to do that. international ref's spend years in training and are assessed and selected at the highest level. You?
MGoose66 3 months ago
@MGoose66 That was pathetic. Firstly youre trying to argue semantics over whether they are called rules or laws. I'm sorry but that is just so pathetic, I'm simply going to dismiss it. Secondly, The ball DOES have to touch the ground to be called a knock on you dumb fuck!... Shows how much you know... You should rather comment on subjects you actually have a clue about... Now fuck off and dont waste my time again.
patergaskin 2 months ago
@patergaskin Swearing and rudeness does not make you less ignorant. As a Nationally (IRB accreditation) qualified Level 2 referee, who's been part of the game for over 30 years, I definitely outrank you. It seems that the ref here, and most of this forum agree. I invite you to qualify as a ref at any level (beyond your arm chair)! Or maybe you'd like to read the Laws at least - they are available on line. Why would you think you know more than experienced and qualified referees?
MGoose66 2 months ago
@MGoose66 Youtube is such an easy place to lie about who you are... Here is the IRB's official definition of a knock on (please check the website):
DEFINITION: KNOCK-ON
A knock-on occurs when a player loses possession of the ball and it goes forward, or when a player hits the ball forward with the hand AND THE BALL TOUCHES THE GROUND or another player before the original player can catch it.
You might want to study a bit harder before you apply for level 3 there pal.
patergaskin 2 months ago
@patergaskin So, wrong again. You said it MUST touch the ground & in your correct definition you say OR ANOTHER PLAYER, so QED. Why would I need to check the website? You would be unaware of official "interpretation guidelines" which in this case include judgements on losing control, viz: in this video. My Au NOAS number is 6205667 - if you have any real connection to sports officiating, feel free to log on and look me up. It's good to see you not swearing as you lose the argument.
MGoose66 2 months ago
@MGoose66 You're clutching at straws now. Earlier u said "losing control of the ball forwards is a knock on. It does not have to touch the ground to do that"... And only now that u've seen the official definition (which u got from me), ur talking about the fact that the ball can also touch another player 2 be a "knock on". Not only is this U-turn of urs pathetic, its irrelevant too. The ball does not touch another player in this video.
You don't know enough about rugby & you're wasting my time.
patergaskin 2 months ago
@patergaskin You've quoted me correctly, yet I am still 100% correct, so what's your problem? Can't admit defeat in an argument? You said, "The ball DOES have to touch the ground to be called a knock on", which you might now humbly admit is WRONG. I have read and been formally examined on the laws many times, unlike you, obviously. Further, there are 'official' interpretations of the laws (case scenarios) that make the play in the vid a knock on too. Read the other opinions too!
MGoose66 2 months ago
wat a retard
jerb3lotus 3 months ago
Ref got this one right...should have marched the bugger back 10m for arguing as well! :)
boswellwhanau 3 months ago
@boswellwhanau spot the aussie roo fucker
tripptytripper 3 months ago
It wasn't even a knock on, it came off his knee before it hit the ground.
beauprehouse 4 months ago
@beauprehouse it still is a knock on because he lost controll of the ball ...
MrBassmanJaxx 4 months ago
@MrBassmanJaxx a knock on occurs only when you accidentally knock the ball forwards with your hands or arm when you fumble the ball.
beauprehouse 3 months ago
You're the dropkick mate.
Jetball74 4 months ago 24
Drop keeck!! >:L
pkbunniexxx 4 months ago
Just a little mistake.
badback22 4 months ago
good dropkick bro keep up the good work hahahaha
11husblo 4 months ago
The funny thing is that Frans Steyn nailed a 72m drop goal for Racing Metro, against the wind! Jaco eat your heart out!!
Blitzbok 4 months ago
Im telling you Tarnia I did not have sex with that voken creature man
24glendo 4 months ago
Drop kick? lmao He's the drop kick
jimmyboy630 4 months ago
et was a drop goal attemp but he lost control of et hahaha
killdapure3 4 months ago
@killdapure3 Actually, he fumbled the ball and tried to turn it into a drop kick so as to avoid conceding a knock-on. But he is not entirely known for kicking that far out.
Blitzbok 4 months ago
you can tell it was a drop goal attempt from the positioning of the fly half and how far back he was from the ruck
KilluminatiBarber 4 months ago
@KilluminatiBarber lol
hannahsharutenko 4 months ago
@hannahsharutenko double lol
KilluminatiBarber 4 months ago
Almost got it over.
arwalesagain 4 months ago
All i heard from him was "I'm a dropkick"
DONGJIN95 4 months ago 4
@DONGJIN95 Sounded nothing like that.
Blitzbok 4 months ago
cheating bok
headbangers67 4 months ago
hahahahahhahahahaha it was a drop kick!
Fonoti007 4 months ago
Lost control but very nice try to save it
PiZzAbOy12401 4 months ago
he had no control over the ball so therfore the ref has every right to pull him up
BakinErryDay 4 months ago
Which pixel attempted a drop kick?
ninepointzero 4 months ago
@ninepointzero you can see it stop it with the bullshit quality jokes...
GamerBoiiZ 4 months ago 4
@ninepointzero dry
JJM698 4 months ago
Drop kick my ass
Tehui1974 4 months ago
will South African player repeat such a "drop attempt" during the semi-final of Sunday?
anisocoro 4 months ago
@anisocoro yes. and we made it too! just had a crap ref, and a whole lot of bad luck!
leetface1 4 months ago
I am a fervent Springbok supporter.
Even if he hadn't failed, he would have drop kicked it into the crowd.
/facepalm
grpixs 5 months ago 2
Lying through his arse
ImaTrickshottah 5 months ago
Technically this player was trying to kick a drop, the referee should have permitted him to go on
anisocoro 5 months ago
@anisocoro Are you that dumb
LavenderSean 5 months ago 2
@JWatty283 dry -_- that was like not funny man ?
MultiNEW22 5 months ago
this drop kick went about as far as nicki minaj's music career!!
JWatty283 5 months ago 52
@JWatty283 fuck,thats poor forethought
EoghanO92 3 weeks ago
Southy sucks my freinds giant chode
102coolguy 5 months ago
Fuck all you stupid kiwi fucks south africa are the champs and nz and aus suck fat fucking donkey cock
DUKENUKEM6943 6 months ago
@DUKENUKEM6943 cool story
sorry0bout0it 6 months ago
@DUKENUKEM6943 csb
Yamsareverytasty 5 months ago
Wow!, he must of been in the scribble and dribble class in school
daryllewis4 6 months ago 2
lol amazing. I dont know what the ref was doing because that was LEGIT
imkeen 6 months ago
that kinda suked
jjrated 6 months ago
he is south african so by definition he is a cheat
kirinlager49 6 months ago
what a prick
Bird1507 6 months ago
south african..... wat do u expect. but i still believe him
dennyh86 6 months ago
@dennyh86 shut the hell up u asshole u stupid kiwi
abadeefun2 6 months ago
Can't blame him to try and claim it. It's part of the Southern Hemisphere game to cheat
92Knife 7 months ago
@92Knife if thats true maybe u faggots up in the north should try it bcus we seem to beat u everytime
killercorncob1 7 months ago
@killercorncob1 Unless you're a kiwi no you don't. I'm Scottish and as i recall we hold the bragging rights against the springboks and the wallabies. The southern hemisphere don't dominate anymore, just New Zealand
92Knife 7 months ago 2
@92Knife We'll find out in a few weeks!
brupey 6 months ago
@brupey i've been keeping up on the tri nations and I've never seen a weaker springbok side. Admittedly the Northern hemisphere are really going to struggle to hold Australia and we've got nothing to match New Zealand yet
92Knife 6 months ago
@92Knife Of course it's a weak Springbok side - their top 22 players have been "injured". It will be different this weekend. I predict a NZ - France final
brupey 6 months ago
@92Knife sure thing
Willard142 6 months ago
@92Knife i am a kiwi, sooooo yes. we do
killercorncob1 6 months ago
@92Knife The Scots had the greatest cheat of all time - Finlay Calder!!!
brupey 6 months ago
If it was Francois Steyn, then it would be believable (just)
DexStanT 7 months ago
dropkick my ass
MetalGecko87 7 months ago
I'm a south African myself but that is bloody ridiculas
xFoigrasx 8 months ago
Fuck benji....ur a bigheadd piece of kaka..haha...u aint shit...ur skills dont match ur personality....get sumone else to be kiwi captain...ur shit!
Blitzstah 8 months ago
just 62 metres short. 2nd times a charm.
KochoC 9 months ago
Possibly the worst ever Springbok flyhalf.
illusion1user 9 months ago
keep taking that snake oil from your faith healer Jaco
cheyanqui 10 months ago
drop kick attempt mi ass :L
killdapure3 10 months ago 53
@killdapure3 It's a joke mate.
GiefGoldPlx 8 months ago
@killdapure3 No thanks..
KwyKz0r 8 months ago
@killdapure3 +1
jpkm123 4 months ago
lol
Gracchi 10 months ago
lol
camfay77 11 months ago
...van der Westhuizen for the win!...LOL
Anzac1974 11 months ago
Dickhead clearly dropped it...
dazman38 1 year ago 87
@dazman38 why u calling him dickhead dazman 38 , he attempted field goal dont make false accusations
because the springboks are the best- if u call him dickhead - den i wull come n fuck ur mum n she better be hot cause i dont want to waste my time - ur a dickhead n so ur cousin
TheEddie8911 4 months ago
Cheating bar-steward.
cuntylishus 1 year ago
lol!!
mushuzk 1 year ago