Haaa Alaska airlines is safe, not back then. In the late 1990s Alaska cut safety in order to slash cost and keep the planes in the air. Airlines still do this today, and unfortunately we are do for another safety crash to remind us that airlines will always put safety in the back seat to keep the business going. It's sad but true..
"Alska airlines is one of the safest airlines you can fly" What a load of crap. This crashed happened because the company wanted to save a few bucks on maintenance costs. Am I the only one that thinks that the CEO should have served jail time for this.
These pilots fought like hell..and I mean like HELL to try to somehow get this 80 down. CVR excerpt "..tell em we're flying. At least upside down we're flying!" My heart, my prayers go out to the passengers and their friends and family..also to the entire crew! :-(
@ChristopherSaindon agreed. this JAL 123 are two flights that make you think "that SUCKS" . With JAL 123 the pilots flew the plane with out a horizontal stabilizer and ultimately with out hydros for 20 MINUTES. then they lost it into a mountain. so much effort for naught really stings.
@simpsonfan13 It does :-( And you had mentioned the JAL 123..they did fight for themslves and the passengers to the last second -- and you have to love them for it. I do. I think one person made it in that one (with realistically ZERO chance of survival); is that true?
@ChristopherSaindon actually a few people survived the actual impact. but (according to the show air crash investigation) the rescue teams delayed too long in reaching survivors so all but one died of exposure and of their injuries. the Japanese government had a huge role in those peoples death.
@BIGDADDY42088 I am sorry for your loss, I remembered this flight and the thought of being on plane , rolling over , and then diving into the ocean is enough to keep me off ths itype of plane. However i c nothing but damage controll from the airlines, the mechanics union, and last the FAA to say it was a 737. Thats a bait and switch tatic. .FAA spokesman Mitch Barker said the plane was a Boeing 737. The mechanic that blew the whistle was suspended both from his union and Alaska Airlines .
@BIGDADDY42088 rip to those who died that day. this is an insane crash. an inverted loaded commercial passenger jet plunginf from 18000 feet.?!?! OMG it sends shivers down my spine for all those who were on that plane. just crazy
Almost brings a tear to my eye. They tried so hard, the two pilots, all the way down, even flting the plane upside down. God only knows what those passengers went through as they freefalled through the air. The plane levelled out, and then dived again, this time fatally. It is heartbreaking to think about. RIP all aboard.
In hindsight.. the pilots unknowingly sealed all 88 peoples fate when they continuously tried to unjam the stabilizer.. if they had simply left the trim alone they could have landed with verticle control of the MD81 using the elevators on the rear of the stab.
@terryk1233 i know what u saying ya, but thats bs. that shit should have been working properly all along. no way u can blame the pilots. total lack of proper maintanance. alot of people died that day and they didnt have too.
i remember watching this. when this report first came on channel 7, the reporter said look we a someone in the water holding on to something, then the helo pilot said no that's a body and they cut away very fast
Even though Alaska Airlines was held responsible for the crash, I personally feel that it could have been avoided. The FAA & NTSB did their jobs, but they failed to do a "DEEP" investigation. At the time I was Lead QA Inspector for the Repair Station that performed the last repair of that jackscrew assembly.
After reviewing the job report and talking to the mechanic who performed the last repair, I believe the mechanic and Repair Station's decision not to overhaul the jackscrew assembly was the ultimate factor in its absolute failure, not just the lack of "Boeing 33" grease/lubrication.
The jackscrew assembly had been previously identified by Alaska Airline Pilots and Mechanics as having issues. The jackscrew assembly was squawked and removed from a previous Alaska Airlines MD-83 aircraft and sent for inspection and testing at a different repair facility. That facility did a functional test and returned the jackscrew back to service, leaving them holding the responsibility.
Note: Many MRO (Maintenance, Repair and Overhaul) facilities do not own and use OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) testing fixtures/equipment due to cost and availability. It's cheaper to build their own in-house equivalent testing fixtures and equipment, by means of backwards engineering also known as (Chinese Blueprinting).
The jackscrew was then installed on N963AS, Flight 261, and the on-aircraft "end play check" was again questioned. It was during this time that the Mechanics and Inspectors removed the lubricant from the jackscrew and nut, they failed to replace the lubricant prior to accepting and signing off on the final test and inspection. This is where Alaska Airlines failed to assure "Airworthiness".
What has haunted me for over nine years is the fact that the mechanic who performed the last repair, stated to me that the tolerances of the jackscrew and acme nut "at the time of repair" were close to being out-of-limits per the OEM serviceable wear tolerances.
If the jackscrew assembly would have been overhauled, based on TSO (Time Since Overhaul), hours in-service. I feel there would not have been any issues for removal of the lubricant for repeated testing and inspection. Even without the lubricant in place, there would have been a far less chance for complete failure. I feel the acme nut threads would NOT have stripped due to the tighter tolerances from being overhauled, instead of a simple cost effective repair.
Note: Airlines/Air Carriers wish to keep maintenance costs low, in return for profit, if any. Leaving the Repair Stations with either meeting these demands or the Airlines/Air Carriers will take their business elsewhere. This got a whole lot worse after Sept. 11, 2001. Many are now taking their maintenance needs overseas, These repair facilities do not have the FAA oversight like the MRO aviation industry here in the United States. Random and mandatory drug and alcohol testing is not required!
Just how much was the cost of all the lives lost on Flight 261 worth versus what it would have cost to overhaul the jackscrew assembly? Too much, and in my heart I know all those people could have survived!!!
It's not the airlines. Accidents happen. We're only humans. Airline manufacturers put these in high scrutiny which is why there's not a crash every day. If people did the same with highways, cars, there'd be few crashes. But they don't see it like that.
God Bless these pilots . . they fought like hell to keep this machine in the air. It was an accident that could have been av avoided if they were so greedy in regards to sving money by cutting corners in regards to maintanence. Just think about it! A 7 month baby girl to a 85 year couple celebrating their anniversary all were murdered because of Greed!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I had 3 friends from High School on that flight. Ryan Sparks, his girlfirend, and her friend. Ryan was a great friend and would always stick up for underclassmen. I played basketball with him my Freshman and Sophmore year.
Such a sad day. :-( I read a speech for one of the passengers at his retirement dinner just a month prior to the crash...the trip to Mexico was a gift to him and his family. Rest in peace, 261.
I too lost someone aboard that flight: my college friend Nina was on board with her fiance. The last contact Nina had with her family in San Francisco, she and Larry were having the time of their lives on vacation.
I remember this I was at my aunts house I was walking through the hall way when I heard a loud boom! I usto work at the Residence Inn were most of the family were staying to attentd a memorial for all the victoms.
my aunt lived down there at the time and hate to be disgusting, but to give you an idea of how bad it was: she said it looked like seagulls were picking guts out of the water
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at 9:01 they say they "have confirmed by an FAA spokesperson that it was indeed a 737..." Well guess what you idiots IT WASN'T it was an MD-80!!! retards.
Haaa Alaska airlines is safe, not back then. In the late 1990s Alaska cut safety in order to slash cost and keep the planes in the air. Airlines still do this today, and unfortunately we are do for another safety crash to remind us that airlines will always put safety in the back seat to keep the business going. It's sad but true..
tjmady 2 weeks ago
did aney bodey surviv ?
MultiDylanmoore 1 month ago
"Alska airlines is one of the safest airlines you can fly" What a load of crap. This crashed happened because the company wanted to save a few bucks on maintenance costs. Am I the only one that thinks that the CEO should have served jail time for this.
simpsonfan13 6 months ago
These pilots fought like hell..and I mean like HELL to try to somehow get this 80 down. CVR excerpt "..tell em we're flying. At least upside down we're flying!" My heart, my prayers go out to the passengers and their friends and family..also to the entire crew! :-(
ChristopherSaindon 8 months ago
@ChristopherSaindon agreed. this JAL 123 are two flights that make you think "that SUCKS" . With JAL 123 the pilots flew the plane with out a horizontal stabilizer and ultimately with out hydros for 20 MINUTES. then they lost it into a mountain. so much effort for naught really stings.
simpsonfan13 6 months ago
@simpsonfan13 It does :-( And you had mentioned the JAL 123..they did fight for themslves and the passengers to the last second -- and you have to love them for it. I do. I think one person made it in that one (with realistically ZERO chance of survival); is that true?
ChristopherSaindon 6 months ago
@ChristopherSaindon actually a few people survived the actual impact. but (according to the show air crash investigation) the rescue teams delayed too long in reaching survivors so all but one died of exposure and of their injuries. the Japanese government had a huge role in those peoples death.
simpsonfan13 6 months ago
chickeys17 my cousin was on this :( thx 4 respecting it
brentntiff 8 months ago
I lost 2 co-workers on that flight. They werent good friends or anything but it still hits you hard.
vonkiser 10 months ago
I myself lost 2 relitives on this plane and it was an MD-80.
BIGDADDY42088 11 months ago
@BIGDADDY42088 I am sorry for your loss, I remembered this flight and the thought of being on plane , rolling over , and then diving into the ocean is enough to keep me off ths itype of plane. However i c nothing but damage controll from the airlines, the mechanics union, and last the FAA to say it was a 737. Thats a bait and switch tatic. .FAA spokesman Mitch Barker said the plane was a Boeing 737. The mechanic that blew the whistle was suspended both from his union and Alaska Airlines .
cled66 11 months ago
@BIGDADDY42088 rip to those who died that day. this is an insane crash. an inverted loaded commercial passenger jet plunginf from 18000 feet.?!?! OMG it sends shivers down my spine for all those who were on that plane. just crazy
filthynumber1 8 months ago
@filthynumber1 What's worse is that it was cheap maitenence procedures.
peteisnotneat 2 months ago
I was listening to She's So High by Tal Bachman and was redirected here.
BlackhawksRBallin 1 year ago
Almost brings a tear to my eye. They tried so hard, the two pilots, all the way down, even flting the plane upside down. God only knows what those passengers went through as they freefalled through the air. The plane levelled out, and then dived again, this time fatally. It is heartbreaking to think about. RIP all aboard.
marvindabob 1 year ago
@miamibeach1791 so
mackmcm1 1 year ago
In hindsight.. the pilots unknowingly sealed all 88 peoples fate when they continuously tried to unjam the stabilizer.. if they had simply left the trim alone they could have landed with verticle control of the MD81 using the elevators on the rear of the stab.
terryk1233 2 years ago
@terryk1233 i know what u saying ya, but thats bs. that shit should have been working properly all along. no way u can blame the pilots. total lack of proper maintanance. alot of people died that day and they didnt have too.
filthynumber1 8 months ago
that what makes me so sad...it was not sudden...i know they were suffering all the way down...its so sad
crv26 2 years ago 11
i remember watching this. when this report first came on channel 7, the reporter said look we a someone in the water holding on to something, then the helo pilot said no that's a body and they cut away very fast
decapone 2 years ago
Even though Alaska Airlines was held responsible for the crash, I personally feel that it could have been avoided. The FAA & NTSB did their jobs, but they failed to do a "DEEP" investigation. At the time I was Lead QA Inspector for the Repair Station that performed the last repair of that jackscrew assembly.
TrueBlueDreamer 2 years ago
@TrueBlueDreamer then you jackass should have done a deep inspection of the aircraft.
mackmcm1 1 year ago
After reviewing the job report and talking to the mechanic who performed the last repair, I believe the mechanic and Repair Station's decision not to overhaul the jackscrew assembly was the ultimate factor in its absolute failure, not just the lack of "Boeing 33" grease/lubrication.
TrueBlueDreamer 2 years ago
The jackscrew assembly had been previously identified by Alaska Airline Pilots and Mechanics as having issues. The jackscrew assembly was squawked and removed from a previous Alaska Airlines MD-83 aircraft and sent for inspection and testing at a different repair facility. That facility did a functional test and returned the jackscrew back to service, leaving them holding the responsibility.
TrueBlueDreamer 2 years ago
Note: Many MRO (Maintenance, Repair and Overhaul) facilities do not own and use OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) testing fixtures/equipment due to cost and availability. It's cheaper to build their own in-house equivalent testing fixtures and equipment, by means of backwards engineering also known as (Chinese Blueprinting).
TrueBlueDreamer 2 years ago
The jackscrew was then installed on N963AS, Flight 261, and the on-aircraft "end play check" was again questioned. It was during this time that the Mechanics and Inspectors removed the lubricant from the jackscrew and nut, they failed to replace the lubricant prior to accepting and signing off on the final test and inspection. This is where Alaska Airlines failed to assure "Airworthiness".
TrueBlueDreamer 2 years ago
What has haunted me for over nine years is the fact that the mechanic who performed the last repair, stated to me that the tolerances of the jackscrew and acme nut "at the time of repair" were close to being out-of-limits per the OEM serviceable wear tolerances.
TrueBlueDreamer 2 years ago
If the jackscrew assembly would have been overhauled, based on TSO (Time Since Overhaul), hours in-service. I feel there would not have been any issues for removal of the lubricant for repeated testing and inspection. Even without the lubricant in place, there would have been a far less chance for complete failure. I feel the acme nut threads would NOT have stripped due to the tighter tolerances from being overhauled, instead of a simple cost effective repair.
TrueBlueDreamer 2 years ago
Note: Airlines/Air Carriers wish to keep maintenance costs low, in return for profit, if any. Leaving the Repair Stations with either meeting these demands or the Airlines/Air Carriers will take their business elsewhere. This got a whole lot worse after Sept. 11, 2001. Many are now taking their maintenance needs overseas, These repair facilities do not have the FAA oversight like the MRO aviation industry here in the United States. Random and mandatory drug and alcohol testing is not required!
TrueBlueDreamer 2 years ago
Just how much was the cost of all the lives lost on Flight 261 worth versus what it would have cost to overhaul the jackscrew assembly? Too much, and in my heart I know all those people could have survived!!!
TrueBlueDreamer 2 years ago
It's not the airlines. Accidents happen. We're only humans. Airline manufacturers put these in high scrutiny which is why there's not a crash every day. If people did the same with highways, cars, there'd be few crashes. But they don't see it like that.
poopsyproductions 2 years ago
Rest in peace
musicmanpilot123 3 years ago
Mr.barr was right. it was an MD 80!!!
mdic1014 3 years ago 3
God Bless these pilots . . they fought like hell to keep this machine in the air. It was an accident that could have been av avoided if they were so greedy in regards to sving money by cutting corners in regards to maintanence. Just think about it! A 7 month baby girl to a 85 year couple celebrating their anniversary all were murdered because of Greed!!!!!!!!!!!!!
drumr4life 3 years ago 2
The sad part is, the accident could have been prevented.
suburbanstyles 3 years ago
I had 3 friends from High School on that flight. Ryan Sparks, his girlfirend, and her friend. Ryan was a great friend and would always stick up for underclassmen. I played basketball with him my Freshman and Sophmore year.
ChrisHoyt 3 years ago 3
capt Ted Thompson did a valiant job. R.I.P. SIR
dexbob 3 years ago 4
I agree-Alaska Airlines is one of the most safest airlines to fly on, and it is my favorite airline!
flightsimfan912 3 years ago 3
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did he say this the safest airline you can fly? Bullshit!
Alaska Airlines has a no time for maintenance works, cuz they needs a lot of money. thats why the people died, thats so sad!
I saw it right now to the TV, a report about flight 261. I´m never flight with this fuckin airline, R.I.P. all the victims
khashayar1985 3 years ago
"We have confirmed from an FAA spokesperson that it was a 737." No it wasn't . . . it was an MD-80.
TayZonday 3 years ago 27
@TayZonday Yep. MD-80. Very different aircraft types.
peteisnotneat 2 months ago
Such a sad day. :-( I read a speech for one of the passengers at his retirement dinner just a month prior to the crash...the trip to Mexico was a gift to him and his family. Rest in peace, 261.
Chickeys17 3 years ago 18
Sorry for your loss.
I too lost someone aboard that flight: my college friend Nina was on board with her fiance. The last contact Nina had with her family in San Francisco, she and Larry were having the time of their lives on vacation.
R.I.P, Nina Voronoff,
Nurse at UCSF Hospital.
You are sorely missed.
McRat1968 3 years ago 4
I remember this I was at my aunts house I was walking through the hall way when I heard a loud boom! I usto work at the Residence Inn were most of the family were staying to attentd a memorial for all the victoms.
dmntdhilz 3 years ago
my aunt lived down there at the time and hate to be disgusting, but to give you an idea of how bad it was: she said it looked like seagulls were picking guts out of the water
groomlakealien 3 years ago
why mention it on here, when people have lost loved one's. information people do not need to know.
nursling07 3 years ago
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it was a MD-80 asshole...research the history..dumbfuck!!
gokumalo 4 years ago
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at 9:01 they say they "have confirmed by an FAA spokesperson that it was indeed a 737..." Well guess what you idiots IT WASN'T it was an MD-80!!! retards.
Phyrescape 4 years ago
Really - Alaska ya say... Well there motto at this time was apparently... Damn the lives - make money money money!!!
Melanatedone 4 years ago
I can't believe it's been 7 years. This brings back bad memories. :(
HelterSkelter20 4 years ago 5