our motor set up at 3,300 lbs/ft torque and over 300kw might be a little overkill for a motorhome. However, I am sure companies like Parker or Siemens would have the right motor for your project.
I'd like to get the plans for your motors and maybe put the same set up into maybe a Ford pickup or something in order to tow a motorhome....Instead of hydrogen fuel cells, I'd use a wood gas/ steam engine generator in the toy hauler section of the motorhome to produce on demand AC but also power batteries through an inverter.....
The idea is to have the ability to make fuel where ever I go...Wouldn't that be awesome!
I would like to see these come to Florida there are not many hills and sun all day. I know a soler cell would help. But just keep talking about it, as everyone goes out of bissiness and the enviorment falls apart. If there is any way I can help promote this please Email me Thank you George Haz Trucking
The only "free" power is the energy captured by the regenerative braking system. In stop and go traffic that might account for 10 to 15%. In highway driving it would be very minimal.
OK . . . so how are you figuring your cost for H2? Seems like this question remains unanswered. I am beginning to sound like a pessimist, but the fact is I am not. I do begin to lean that way when answers are fuzzy . . . ;)
BTW, I am not suggesting that batteries are the solution. I have been in the truck business for 30 years. That is ludicrous. But . . . weight savings alone will not solve the alternative fuel "Catch 22". It is about cost when exceeding 10,000+ units a year. You must compete with diesel, . . .it's not going anywhere and 2010 trucks are VERY clean.
I would say you have a winner. But . . . I am concerned with total owning and operating costs, not just fuel. And tell me how you are calculating fuel cost. If you are considering ANY power within the process as "free" then I am VERY suspicious . . . ;)
Of course weight matters, but I want to understand the ultimate equalizer . . . cost. If operating costs are low, then some lost payload may be OK. Ultimately it is the cost to move goods from point A to point B. All up . . . that is my concern for Hydrogen and why I mentioned Opportunity cost. There is no "free" energy to reformulate this stuff, that is my concern. If you count the cost of feed stock, electricity and compression, what is the cost per mile to operate an 80,000 lb. truck?
As an example: Total weight of Fuel cells, tanks, mounting brackets, plumbing and H2 for a 400 mile range on a heavy duty truck is approx.1,950 lbs. Total weight of batteries to achieve the same 400 miles on battery power alone is approx. 17,900 lbs.
The same electricity you use to charge your EV can be used to create and compress hydrogen. Since hydrogen is made (by electrolysis) by splitting water and on reformation in a fuel cell creates only more water, there is zero net loss in that regard.
Compressed hydrogen does have much higher capacity pound-for-pound in energy storage than batteries.
Yes you have to add the fuel cell(s), tank(s) and connectors, however, the weight advantage stays as these parts do not weigh thousands of pounds, they are in the hundreds of lbs.
Also, you cannot get a plug-in, battery only vehicle with decent range because of that fact. The Tesla car has more than 1,000 lbs of batteries on board and ran out of energy after little more than 50 miles on the recent TOP GEAR test.
what did you do to replace the air compressor. I noticed that both the truck and trailer use air brakes i was wondering what the work around was for that. I also noticed that the trailer looked a little light, im assuming it wasnt loaded, would that be correct? also i was wondering who the manufacturer was of the fuel cell.
I don't think you have answered my question . . . I understand about weight and power to move it, but it does not equal efficiency as you have used it. If you are going to compare Hydrogen to batteries by weight, don't you have to add tanks? Supports? The fuel cell? Everything but the motor?
Well, you cannot take weight out of the equation when calculating energy efficiency in transportation . If you have to carry dead weight (batteries), you consume more energy.
The production of hydrogen is done in many ways, the most cost efficient way is through natural gas reformation.
However, there are zero emission process alternatives that are being explored that can create "green" hydrogen in very cost competitive ways.
Can you explain how "Hydrogen is the most efficient energy storage medium in transportation applications" by something other than weight? I fail to see how weight is relevant unless there is some sort of additional payload (or lost payload) factored in. What is relevant is cost, and whether the electricity to produce (and compress) is "renewable" or not does not negate the cost. Lost opportunity cost for electricity sales is valid regardless of where you get it.
Unfortunately, your argument is not correct. Hydrogen is the most efficient energy storage medium in transportation applications. 5kg Hydrogen stores as much electricity as 2,000lbs of most advanced batteries. at this point, your argument of plug in only goes out the window.
Right now lots of electric energy required to make hydrogen, so efficiency is out of the window, as long as electricity is mainly produced by burning oil or gas and loosing 76% in transmission. Let's hope reason prevails and we wait until electricity will be very, very cheap and from renewable resources. However by then, we will have plug in electric cars.
awesome! this truck rocks! got the power, pulls the load and is quite. Big break thru step in helping reach the goal of a cleaner, healthier planet earth. So get it on the roads asap!
awesome! this truck rocks! got the power, pulls the load and is quite. Big break thru step in helping reach the goal of a cleaner, healthier planet earth. So get it on the roads asap!
our motor set up at 3,300 lbs/ft torque and over 300kw might be a little overkill for a motorhome. However, I am sure companies like Parker or Siemens would have the right motor for your project.
Good luck.
visionindustriescorp 7 months ago
I'd like to get the plans for your motors and maybe put the same set up into maybe a Ford pickup or something in order to tow a motorhome....Instead of hydrogen fuel cells, I'd use a wood gas/ steam engine generator in the toy hauler section of the motorhome to produce on demand AC but also power batteries through an inverter.....
The idea is to have the ability to make fuel where ever I go...Wouldn't that be awesome!
cydoniaquest 7 months ago
Great video I guess, but where is the actual performance test?
OnlineRemo 1 year ago
I would like to see these come to Florida there are not many hills and sun all day. I know a soler cell would help. But just keep talking about it, as everyone goes out of bissiness and the enviorment falls apart. If there is any way I can help promote this please Email me Thank you George Haz Trucking
angie0564 1 year ago
One pound of H2 at $1.70 per pound retail. One pound of H2 gets you as far as 1 gallon of Diesel.
H2wins 2 years ago
The only "free" power is the energy captured by the regenerative braking system. In stop and go traffic that might account for 10 to 15%. In highway driving it would be very minimal.
H2wins 2 years ago
OK . . . so how are you figuring your cost for H2? Seems like this question remains unanswered. I am beginning to sound like a pessimist, but the fact is I am not. I do begin to lean that way when answers are fuzzy . . . ;)
Quietcat22 2 years ago
BTW, I am not suggesting that batteries are the solution. I have been in the truck business for 30 years. That is ludicrous. But . . . weight savings alone will not solve the alternative fuel "Catch 22". It is about cost when exceeding 10,000+ units a year. You must compete with diesel, . . .it's not going anywhere and 2010 trucks are VERY clean.
Quietcat22 2 years ago
So, as a trucker what would you say if operating on Hydrogen reduced your fuel costs by 30 %?
H2wins 2 years ago
I would say you have a winner. But . . . I am concerned with total owning and operating costs, not just fuel. And tell me how you are calculating fuel cost. If you are considering ANY power within the process as "free" then I am VERY suspicious . . . ;)
Quietcat22 2 years ago
Of course weight matters, but I want to understand the ultimate equalizer . . . cost. If operating costs are low, then some lost payload may be OK. Ultimately it is the cost to move goods from point A to point B. All up . . . that is my concern for Hydrogen and why I mentioned Opportunity cost. There is no "free" energy to reformulate this stuff, that is my concern. If you count the cost of feed stock, electricity and compression, what is the cost per mile to operate an 80,000 lb. truck?
Quietcat22 2 years ago
As an example: Total weight of Fuel cells, tanks, mounting brackets, plumbing and H2 for a 400 mile range on a heavy duty truck is approx.1,950 lbs. Total weight of batteries to achieve the same 400 miles on battery power alone is approx. 17,900 lbs.
H2wins 2 years ago
The same electricity you use to charge your EV can be used to create and compress hydrogen. Since hydrogen is made (by electrolysis) by splitting water and on reformation in a fuel cell creates only more water, there is zero net loss in that regard.
Compressed hydrogen does have much higher capacity pound-for-pound in energy storage than batteries.
How many more "efficiency" numbers do you need??
PHenry500 2 years ago
Yes you have to add the fuel cell(s), tank(s) and connectors, however, the weight advantage stays as these parts do not weigh thousands of pounds, they are in the hundreds of lbs.
Also, you cannot get a plug-in, battery only vehicle with decent range because of that fact. The Tesla car has more than 1,000 lbs of batteries on board and ran out of energy after little more than 50 miles on the recent TOP GEAR test.
visionindustriescorp 2 years ago
what did you do to replace the air compressor. I noticed that both the truck and trailer use air brakes i was wondering what the work around was for that. I also noticed that the trailer looked a little light, im assuming it wasnt loaded, would that be correct? also i was wondering who the manufacturer was of the fuel cell.
Thanks in advance
jimmyjamescanada1 2 years ago
I don't think you have answered my question . . . I understand about weight and power to move it, but it does not equal efficiency as you have used it. If you are going to compare Hydrogen to batteries by weight, don't you have to add tanks? Supports? The fuel cell? Everything but the motor?
Quietcat22 2 years ago
Well, you cannot take weight out of the equation when calculating energy efficiency in transportation . If you have to carry dead weight (batteries), you consume more energy.
The production of hydrogen is done in many ways, the most cost efficient way is through natural gas reformation.
However, there are zero emission process alternatives that are being explored that can create "green" hydrogen in very cost competitive ways.
visionindustriescorp 2 years ago
Can you explain how "Hydrogen is the most efficient energy storage medium in transportation applications" by something other than weight? I fail to see how weight is relevant unless there is some sort of additional payload (or lost payload) factored in. What is relevant is cost, and whether the electricity to produce (and compress) is "renewable" or not does not negate the cost. Lost opportunity cost for electricity sales is valid regardless of where you get it.
Quietcat22 2 years ago
Unfortunately, your argument is not correct. Hydrogen is the most efficient energy storage medium in transportation applications. 5kg Hydrogen stores as much electricity as 2,000lbs of most advanced batteries. at this point, your argument of plug in only goes out the window.
visionindustriescorp 2 years ago
Right now lots of electric energy required to make hydrogen, so efficiency is out of the window, as long as electricity is mainly produced by burning oil or gas and loosing 76% in transmission. Let's hope reason prevails and we wait until electricity will be very, very cheap and from renewable resources. However by then, we will have plug in electric cars.
gybognarjr 2 years ago
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