i like daniel. i loved his books but i disagree with his idea about language. if he learned an asian language he'd see that the sounds words make have nothing to do with our intuitive feelings as a species. there is no universally happy or sad sounds for example. maybe among europeans that is true but only because the languages or cultures might have common descent. cases outside of that i suspect are just examples of a confirmation bias. been learning japanese for 10 years.
@chinchillalovers1 Based only on the video's content.. I don't deny he's a genius or whatever, I just don't see anything that knocks my socks off here. Sorry if I gave an overly negative impression
I believe that the explanations are too scientific although I can say that are understood I think it would have been better to have put more mphasis on spirituality, anyway, interesting point of view
I'm going to share a party trick. When a stranger finds out I study actuarial science and finance they often reply "so you are some sort of genius?" I absolutely am not a genius so I humour them. I ask "what is your birthday?" When they answer I immediately follow with "that's a Saturday." There's a 1/7 chance I'm right in which case they are amazed. And a 6/7 chance I'm wrong and simply explain I was taking a shot in the dark which most people find fairly amusing anyway.
I loved it, suddenly arithmetic makes sense. I think it depends how you best understand things. I can read a sentence a million times and it makes no sense, but turn it into a picture and I never forget. Brilliant TED talk. Words have shapes, so do sentences, and the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. The words are like ingredients in a cake, they don't retain their integrity when you make a sentence with them. They turn into something new, either delicious cake or a nauseating flop.
for his second question about the icelandic word "hnuggin"; i thought happy , and so did the audience. i think because it is somewhat similar to our american word "hug". maybe the "majority" who say the word is sad are not english speaking?
hares are an archetype for the MOON which is that celestial body connected to the unconscious right brain .... the conscious unaware left brain blinded by the light of the day/sun ... can only relpy ...
Personally, I have come across that too many people presume the case of words containing feelings and understanding that are objective and universal to everyone. Otherwise people presume the person is wrong(Such as arguments on love, good, bad, etc). Truly.. It seems like everyone thinks each word contains the same information to everyone, when each words birth in another mind has its own unique story. How did you learn "apple", "red", "1", etc? Not being open to this is debilitating.
The first question.. I thought of two block of 3 units, you connect em. Then make another pair. Then another. Each block stands for 5 by 5. Then it is 8 x 600. The second question.. I visualized it as a wave. It seemed to go up, then down. So.. I figured "let down", so it was down. Our word "sad", "depressed", "hate" seem to feel the same. I giant thud like feeling. Last, I had imagined the hare attempting a leap and it's leg trembled as it fell. It then trudged through the bloody, icy, grass.
I wonder who the "majority" he was referring to said this word was sad. I think it must be a different lang. group than Eng. b/c with the Eng. speaking audience, I also thought "happy". The reason I thought happy was I saw "hug" in the spelling that gave me the impression it must be happy. Perhaps other Eng. speakers saw the same and made the same conclusion but another language would not see that.
i used to assign genders to letters of the alphabet, when i was a kid. most of them were "bisexuals" but then i grew up and now i know that they are hermaphrodites.
This is one of the things that isn't taught thoroughly enough in schools: intuition. It's what the world needs right now, we rely too much on outside things to think for us.
not a very enlightning talk. but i'm very impressed by the way he does not make any mistakes when he speaks. no "um"'s and he doesn't have correct himself at any point.
Ha! As a full blown Synesthete myself, listening to someone else list the colors of the numbers when I "know" the colors myself is like nails on a chalkboard...
But what an amazing talk!!!!! I've been waiting for a talk on Synesthesia... it's what prompted me to start my NPO. God bless, Tammet!
wow this talk was disappointing... he could have told stuff that's much more interesting... he talked about his personal synaesthesia and the results of its mixture with wasting too much time on random lines of text, but that's it, he didn't say why it's worth having that or anything like that, just pointed out his differences from "normal" even though he said he didn't want to concentrate on that...
@theANSWERisXLII WELL, isn't it at least interesting to take note that everyone experiences a completely different reality, even if we're looking at the same "stuff"? Still... I sort of agree with you lol. He kind of built up some high expectations with his intro, but I still found the talk interesting, if not profound. Not every talk will change your life you know, and some people probably have never heard of synesthesia.
"and some people probably have never heard of synesthesia" yes but you'll have hard time finding them among ted audience :) ...agree with you on everything else
@theANSWERisXLII lol true. I sort of felt the expectation from the audience; awaiting the punchline, but no dice! I can't help but be a little awed by his linguistic accomplishments, since I only know one language.... but I feel maybe he's missed out on certain things that I know well. This talk served mostly to reinforce my respect for the variety of human experience. Oddballs we are!
But do different people with synesthesia see the same numbers as similar colors/shapes, or is it all arbitrary to the individual? Is he suggesting there are pictures for each number we can all learn?
Anyone else notice his unique accent? It's more of a collection of accents. It's always wonderful to listen to someone speak in English...when you KNOW they can speak 8 other languages.
Im also going to start ignorin the messages from this thread now, so make sure you give me your best backstab now when im not going to reply. goodbye.
@popitypop Yeah, but is it an idea worth spreading? How can you even spread a genetically abhorrent thought process? I don't intend to diminish him or his work, I wish my brain could work that way. I just think this topic is is inappropriate to the purpose of TED talks.
they just need to tone down the intro music volume a bit......I am running for my volume knob every time I open a video....just to find tat the speaker's voice is way too low at such volumes........
and the outro music? fucking crazy jet sound! tone it down for fucks sake.
@vasish3688 I so agree with your comment! ...with the exception of the 'f' descripters in the last sentence I have found your experience of the outrageously contrasting volumes to be similar to my experience
I am hoping that someone within the TED organization will soon see the comments regarding excessive volume and make appropriate adjustments
Watch: "The boy with the incredible brain". Available on youtube. It's a documentary about Daniel Temmet's incredible mental prowess and more about the Synaesthesia phenomenon.
@spacecowboy95 its not its not! read the Tell Tale Brain by VS Ramachandran in which he talks about synesthesia. Or just look up his videos. Its amazing. Different number color synesthetes have their own number/color scale...
is synaesthesia a condition or a better function of the brain?? because if you are able to plug and unplug this way of percieving the world I bet you are over average genius even mozart was tolld maybe on having this. you al must know that the brain is not a linear system at all, training to it is almost antinatural let's sat. almost because it needs a structure but not at all based on linear commands, that is becoming dumb and not letting the brain function at it's potential. high structures.
Well, synesthesia can't be turned off. It can be dulled by medication or depression, but not completely turned off.
For example, throughout this entire talk, Tammet's voice really bothers me because it feels like its pressing on both sides of the back of my neck. But yes, the brain is very complex, and it shouldn't be surprising that synesthesia exists at all.
@beastbubblegum Synaesthesia is defined as being involuntary. For instance, I've got 'grapheme --> colour" synaesthesia, seeing letters and numbers in colour. I only realised I had it this year, and upon reflection and trawling through memories I realised that I had perceived letters/numbers this way since I was little. So it is involuntary certainly, so involuntary that one can go 18 years without realising what one is doing!
@Interactivesystems I can't really summarise everything i believe about perception in 500 characters. But my rejection of qualia as essentially a hopeless idea comes from largely agreeing with Dan Dennett, and also a bit from Paul Churchland. Their views are summarised nicely on the wiki entry on qualia. :)
Interesting but IMHO it's like seeing the world through television: he was born with an 4k, someone smart has an HD, the vast majority of people have SD and hardware-upgrade is not an option...
Lately I have been experiencing one coincidence after another...I use the word coincidence because I don't believe in superstition or any other nonsense like that. For example, I just discovered what a savant is by watching a documentary about Daniel Tammet YESTERDAY and now he's on TED :) My favorite thing to watch :)
@Neylonx It may have been what the author intended to evoke (or not), but I didn't get any more sense of vulnerability from 'hare' than I did 'rabbit'. Or if I did, it was unconscious, lowering the impact somewhat. Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of poetry, but I just didn't like this talk's part on it.
hnugginn actualy seems a bit like "huggin" with some aditional N's so i would see it as a happy word, the sound of it had no meaning in the decision making contrary to the theory of the speaker i think people use knowledge to determine meaning of words by asociacion and similarities to theyre known vocabulary, not by emotions because you can say thesame word with oposite emotional charge and hte meaning prevails thesame. so first the meaning then the emotional charge not other way arround imho
hnuggin was actually a bad example by him. the phenomenon he tried to show is well documented.
babies, children and adults were tasked with recognizing the name of certain shapes only by watching them.
99.99999% of the people, regardless of ethnic background or culture gave the name KIKI to a jagged pointy shape and 99.99999% of people gabe the soft rounder shape the name BUBBA, out of the only 2 possible names (KIKI AND BUBBA). nobody names the pointy thing bubba
@mazdaplz Read about this in the book "Mind Hacks". The idea is that our language and our sense of touch is cross-wired, and in fact, that the phenomenon of language itself owes its existence to a type of synaesthesia, which is itself the result of crossed wiring in the brain. Neat stuff.
@86Corvus I think in this case the audience was influenced my being in public, and in stead of thinking about it and give it a negative answer they went for the positive one.
@86Corvus i agree that we all have a framework, but if you imitate the way he says it, you might feel that it's more of a sad word. I think it has to do with the facial muscles and the position of the tongue. some things are indeed universal.
Once you know its a sad word you can get a confirmation bias. The meanings of words are by asiciation not by the sound of it realy. in diferent languages there are similar looking and sounding words, it is so because all languages branched off one that oryginated in in africa.
the longer time ago the branching ocurred the less similarities. you can have 2 words in 2 diferent languages meaning thesame, written similar, and sounding similar one has a heavy and other light pronounciation.
@86Corvus Etymology is an incredibly complicated field. I have little knowledge of it, but I'm pretty sure there are 5 known roots of language. I agree with you that there is a confirmation bias, but there are also vowels and sounds that evoke things universally, on a very basic level. For example, 'ee' sounds usually evoke happiness and liveliness, while 'aaw' / o sounds sadness. you're also right in pointing out that pronunciation is key, just as non-verbal cues are key in providing meaning =)
@MouseMaiden in my language "e" sounds like either " what the fuck do you want eh?" or i dont care "meh..." and o means suprise or being of note of something. so its much less reliable than vocabulary. we all evolved from africa and thats where all language started
well i cant tell you than "wheeeeeee" doesnt exist in my language , the reason i get it is becasue i get english and its so popular that everyone now gets it but if you were to listen an native african be happy it might be something diferent like clicking or beating your thighs with open hand.
Laughter is universal but the reliability of the emotion transferred by sounds is very low. mainly because you can make anny sound sound in manny emotional ways so emotional conotation of hte word is an addon to the word not realy haveing to do with meaning.
the guy in the video obviously thinks its more important because he has an abnormal brain which confuses things like shapes and colours with sounds so in his perception the things he calls emotion colour numerical value of a word etc are added to the word and exposed in percieving it. thats why theyre more notable to him. however that has no bearing on how reliable following those instead of deductive comparision of wording is.
its like you got a contour of a duck in your mind and he has a fully painted colorful a bit van goghish and a bit deformed contour of a duck that makes a weird sound. he sees the colour with his shape a sound with his shape etc etc. but that aditional information adds nothing to the meaning of the shape which is - a duck. id say that other people with his condition would see the duck deformed in a bit diferent way or entirely diferent way. so he has more information noise added
If you were to guess by sounding you would have then to say one word is a positive the other a negative word with. meanwhile hteyre both have thesame meaning and lets say its a happy meaning. you would propably have luck decoding the unknown word knowing the other and using similarity than trying to blind guess on mere pronounciation. pronounciation might be the last thing to hang to when others fail when the languages are very dissimilar branched long ago.
@86Corvus ahhh i don't really know about that. maybe when i'm thinking in the same language, i might approach it in the way you mentioned - through association. that isn't the case when i'm dealing with completely foreign ones, though. i feel where the speaker is coming from.
@86Corvus I mostly agree with you, but certain words carry an onomatopoetic charge. If you know a language branch (set of closely related languages) you can often tell a lot from compositions of words by wovels, consonants, and how they combine. For "Hnugginn" the "hnu" beginning of the word carries a sad tone, like "aww". The "ginn" is a more general ending of a word in icelandic.
Can you guess what the Norwegian synonymous words hva / hæ (hae) / hø (hö) means? (last two are oral versions)
@86Corvus : Just a bad example I guess. Mainly because he showed the word in alphabets. Had he played an audio clip of the word, perhaps he would have illustrated it better.
@86Corvus Actually, I glanced at the first sentence of yours while watching the video so I was a little biased, until I heard him say the word which I then immediately understood as being sad...I think he has a point.
@chichigord whiwhc point, that words are at a very basic level oryginated from some simple moans and sounds that didnt even have alphabet atatched to them? or that his aditional information noise has lots of bearing on it. as i said laughter is universal, so are moans groans etc. ( altho not all as some of them developed from already formed language to suport them thus eskimos touch noses to express love and some african natives spit water in the face of other to express a hearthy welcome),
@86Corvus maybe the Inuit touch noses to express fear...fear of loss...fear of death...at a deeper level that is, which becomes understood as love...which could in fact be fear. And maybe the Africans you speak of spit in the face as a territorial gesture...Welcome, but don't forget who the man is around here.
it is much more reliable to asociate words with already known vocabulary to derrive meaning than to listen to the tone of voice. THe guys theory is ok (btw its not His theory per se) on a very basic primal level some sounds are universal, they are primitive to the highest degree they canot be used to determin meaning of words or sentences. words have meaning on theyre own and trying to determine theyre meaning basing off the type of sound they perform isnt reliable.
@113Doctor thats what you learn at a 5 year university magisterial pedagogics studies on social animation and prevention arround semester 6 if i remember corectly.
@113Doctor you asked i told you. i dont realy care what i remind you off because im not here for your amusement. also after spending 5 years on something i hope someone pays you back deeming it uterly useless too. i guess im just so bad that i dont think those 5 years ive spent were totaly useless. also its not a paper degree, if you have anny knowledge of what a paper degree is, its something having no value given because its given by illegitimate source.
@86Corvus:Correct I ask but Keep it Short or I lose interest.
So far you spew forth a lot of words that seem more to do with the emotions behind the paper culture almost like you have to justify it to everyone esp yourself.
So far you have wrote pages, and I wonder why you first felt the need.
@113Doctor i guess i have that ood habbit of speaking my mind. I love how you try to excercise some armchair psychology its cute. But whats more interesting is why are you are feeling the need to speak here, as of yet you started off by saying im incorect because this guy is a savant, which is the most basic logical falacy. its called argumentum ad verecundiam. also most people on the audience said HAPPY which also supports what i said.
@113Doctor University of Łódź is a polish secular national university. one of the best in the europe, 4th best of poland the page is uni.lodz.pl so it would be nice if you didnt call papers from there worthless its not cration research university or some other shit, its legitimate university. I also never said i have a degree yet what i have is an absolutory and i curently am landing finishing touches to my magisterial paper to be peer reviewed. absolutory means i have finished all the courses
Turn on closed captioning.
At 4:07, you see, "the sketches, I'm black and whites here, but in my mind, they have CONDOMS?!?"
jomonomona 6 days ago
errhemm...
1:58
"Every time I read jack-off, oops, sorry, thats Chekov, my bad"
jomonomona 6 days ago
@insanic1 He's gay anyway. He could always donate sperm Robert Graham style.
FromHundredAcreWood 1 week ago
i like daniel. i loved his books but i disagree with his idea about language. if he learned an asian language he'd see that the sounds words make have nothing to do with our intuitive feelings as a species. there is no universally happy or sad sounds for example. maybe among europeans that is true but only because the languages or cultures might have common descent. cases outside of that i suspect are just examples of a confirmation bias. been learning japanese for 10 years.
maikeru01 1 month ago
I wonder what the mathmatical sum of Jackson Pollack's "Blue Poles is?
bigambul 1 month ago
I don't see that he is presenting anything that any college grad couldn't.
gabsylv 3 months ago
@gabsylv seriously he learned to speak good icelandic in just seven days. Could you do that?
chinchillalovers1 3 months ago
@chinchillalovers1 Based only on the video's content.. I don't deny he's a genius or whatever, I just don't see anything that knocks my socks off here. Sorry if I gave an overly negative impression
gabsylv 3 months ago
@gabsylv That´s ok. :)
chinchillalovers1 3 months ago
@gabsylv
Well, the college graduates didn't.
dudejohnny 1 month ago
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i certainly love this channel
juliacotic 3 months ago
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I believe that the explanations are too scientific although I can say that are understood I think it would have been better to have put more mphasis on spirituality, anyway, interesting point of view
andreeaweed 3 months ago
"some people say it is happy" lol
ingrid2011100 3 months ago
68 "dislikes"??? Are there so many negative and envious people relative to the "likes"?? Astounding!
sensibilita 3 months ago
the sad thing is, he probably wont have children and wont pass on his unique genes to the next generation
insanic1 3 months ago
@insanic1 Even if he did it wouldn't matter, his gift is a once in a lifetime thing.
ItzR3zR4pt0r 3 months ago
@insanic1 his "ability" apparently wasn't cause by genes but from brain damage which u cant pass through sperms.
TrantisionerMarin 3 months ago
MY EARS!!
sanoonbs 4 months ago
That's actually not easier then the way I used in school. That's exactly how'd I'd do it.
Times by 100 then divide by 4 and times by 3. Not hard.
EjvindDark 5 months ago
He sounds like Jemaine Clement in Gentlemen Broncos...
mankee2211 5 months ago
Theres a Daniel Tammet fan Group on facebook chek it out.
StineWins 5 months ago
I'm going to share a party trick. When a stranger finds out I study actuarial science and finance they often reply "so you are some sort of genius?" I absolutely am not a genius so I humour them. I ask "what is your birthday?" When they answer I immediately follow with "that's a Saturday." There's a 1/7 chance I'm right in which case they are amazed. And a 6/7 chance I'm wrong and simply explain I was taking a shot in the dark which most people find fairly amusing anyway.
nikanj 6 months ago
I loved it, suddenly arithmetic makes sense. I think it depends how you best understand things. I can read a sentence a million times and it makes no sense, but turn it into a picture and I never forget. Brilliant TED talk. Words have shapes, so do sentences, and the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. The words are like ingredients in a cake, they don't retain their integrity when you make a sentence with them. They turn into something new, either delicious cake or a nauseating flop.
BernieB24 6 months ago
I did not like it
mookie9439 6 months ago
for his second question about the icelandic word "hnuggin"; i thought happy , and so did the audience. i think because it is somewhat similar to our american word "hug". maybe the "majority" who say the word is sad are not english speaking?
mebe84 6 months ago 5
@KnasiTaket i was just about to say that, respect.
FutureKnut 6 months ago
hares are an archetype for the MOON which is that celestial body connected to the unconscious right brain .... the conscious unaware left brain blinded by the light of the day/sun ... can only relpy ...
duh "what's up doc"?
Hey Elmer do you hear those voices too?
namaste
islandbuoy4 6 months ago
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islandbuoy4 6 months ago
jack off
StraightUpStreett 6 months ago
Hares are white
PAREDESUFRIR 7 months ago
Thumbs up if you're not ashamned to admit you didn't understand the calculation with the blocks.
pwader 7 months ago
Amazing Daniel I encourage you to look into Dr. Emoto's research. I think that you may match up with it....
jegej18 7 months ago
Personally, I have come across that too many people presume the case of words containing feelings and understanding that are objective and universal to everyone. Otherwise people presume the person is wrong(Such as arguments on love, good, bad, etc). Truly.. It seems like everyone thinks each word contains the same information to everyone, when each words birth in another mind has its own unique story. How did you learn "apple", "red", "1", etc? Not being open to this is debilitating.
ACANOFSODA 7 months ago
The first question.. I thought of two block of 3 units, you connect em. Then make another pair. Then another. Each block stands for 5 by 5. Then it is 8 x 600. The second question.. I visualized it as a wave. It seemed to go up, then down. So.. I figured "let down", so it was down. Our word "sad", "depressed", "hate" seem to feel the same. I giant thud like feeling. Last, I had imagined the hare attempting a leap and it's leg trembled as it fell. It then trudged through the bloody, icy, grass.
ACANOFSODA 7 months ago
is it just me or does he actually sound like Ali G? thumbs up if u agree
KnasiTaket 7 months ago 33
@KnasiTaket wesst side is da best . Respec .
sakokosa 6 months ago
@KnasiTaket How trivialised an obervation, haha. :P
xXxRav3rRawrBabyxXx 5 months ago
@KnasiTaket
he also LOOKS like Ali G! thumb this up!
publiccable 4 months ago 2
@KnasiTaket HAHA Just what I thought of!
HevyMetalSnap624 3 weeks ago
Numbers have always had genders to me.
JaredHutcheson1 7 months ago
I wonder who the "majority" he was referring to said this word was sad. I think it must be a different lang. group than Eng. b/c with the Eng. speaking audience, I also thought "happy". The reason I thought happy was I saw "hug" in the spelling that gave me the impression it must be happy. Perhaps other Eng. speakers saw the same and made the same conclusion but another language would not see that.
paisleyyama 7 months ago
i used to assign genders to letters of the alphabet, when i was a kid. most of them were "bisexuals" but then i grew up and now i know that they are hermaphrodites.
:D
mindnumber9 7 months ago
I love him.
twilightawakening 7 months ago
This is one of the things that isn't taught thoroughly enough in schools: intuition. It's what the world needs right now, we rely too much on outside things to think for us.
Jeremiah2305 7 months ago
i didnt get it =(
Crazee108 7 months ago
idol daniellllllllllllll...the great living mathematician
bobbobmarley27 7 months ago
So basically intuition exists...
Curse274 7 months ago
everytime i read checkov, i have to masturbate immediately
randygland 7 months ago
not a very enlightning talk. but i'm very impressed by the way he does not make any mistakes when he speaks. no "um"'s and he doesn't have correct himself at any point.
xybersurfer 7 months ago
@xybersurfer he says there's no number bigger than pi.. i would disagree, surely 4 is bigger than pi
randygland 7 months ago 3
he sounds like ali g tho innit
TheWelshboy42 7 months ago
Ha! As a full blown Synesthete myself, listening to someone else list the colors of the numbers when I "know" the colors myself is like nails on a chalkboard...
But what an amazing talk!!!!! I've been waiting for a talk on Synesthesia... it's what prompted me to start my NPO. God bless, Tammet!
faithhahn33 7 months ago
Fabulous!
peakimages 7 months ago
the way he speaks is perfect in voice, tone and rythm.
1schwererziehbar1 7 months ago 2
PEACE!
thesunshon 8 months ago
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All daniel said was a bunch of gobbily gup. He is scum pure scum !!!
ratm2112 8 months ago
@ratm2112 Why so rude?
chrisdrakekaka 7 months ago
For Hnuginn, see P Is for Happiness, N Is for Sadness: Universals in Sound Iconicity to Detect Emotions in Poetry.
LokiClock 8 months ago
1) My gut instinct for 64x75 is "a really big number."
2) "hnugginn" reminds me of Buddy the Elf. I have no idea why, but there is nothing else I can think of when I see that word.
3) Reminds me of the sentence (something about a quick brown fox and a lazy dog) that has every letter of the alphabet. Except, this one doesn't.
audball911 8 months ago
this guy is brilliant, the way he sees world is mindblowing, we complicate things and he simplifies it naturally. just awesome :o
cryspyfast 8 months ago 2
wow this talk was disappointing... he could have told stuff that's much more interesting... he talked about his personal synaesthesia and the results of its mixture with wasting too much time on random lines of text, but that's it, he didn't say why it's worth having that or anything like that, just pointed out his differences from "normal" even though he said he didn't want to concentrate on that...
theANSWERisXLII 8 months ago
@theANSWERisXLII WELL, isn't it at least interesting to take note that everyone experiences a completely different reality, even if we're looking at the same "stuff"? Still... I sort of agree with you lol. He kind of built up some high expectations with his intro, but I still found the talk interesting, if not profound. Not every talk will change your life you know, and some people probably have never heard of synesthesia.
LocustaVampa 8 months ago
@LocustaVampa
"and some people probably have never heard of synesthesia" yes but you'll have hard time finding them among ted audience :) ...agree with you on everything else
theANSWERisXLII 8 months ago
@theANSWERisXLII lol true. I sort of felt the expectation from the audience; awaiting the punchline, but no dice! I can't help but be a little awed by his linguistic accomplishments, since I only know one language.... but I feel maybe he's missed out on certain things that I know well. This talk served mostly to reinforce my respect for the variety of human experience. Oddballs we are!
LocustaVampa 8 months ago
But do different people with synesthesia see the same numbers as similar colors/shapes, or is it all arbitrary to the individual? Is he suggesting there are pictures for each number we can all learn?
Cannibalzz 8 months ago
Bruno!!!
jonathanbluestein 8 months ago
Daniel Tammet is the most fascinating person on the planet. I wish we heard from him more often.
fiercefunky 8 months ago
I'm sorry but hnugginn sounds like a very happy word to me.
LocustaVampa 8 months ago
@LocustaVampa yea hnuggin souns like a very warm n cosy word like huggin, haha
popitypop 8 months ago
@popitypop ya! :3 Nyuuuuuuuuu-ggnnnn mmm! honk!
LocustaVampa 8 months ago
He really shouldn't of asked. :x
JimbobOMG 8 months ago
i could not understand the 640 with 75 fitted in there and occupying 3/4. Maybe i missed a word or explanation or maybe i'm stupid. :(
biakuya 8 months ago
@biakuya 75 = (3/4)*100, so 64*75 = 64 *100* (3/4),
hence = 6400 * 3/4, so if u visually caculated tt, its 3 boxes of 16 squares * 100, or {3* 16 *100}, or 4800
haha hope tt helps
popitypop 8 months ago 25
@popitypop Thanks, that helped!
biakuya 8 months ago
Anyone else notice his unique accent? It's more of a collection of accents. It's always wonderful to listen to someone speak in English...when you KNOW they can speak 8 other languages.
andyrooney12 8 months ago
Im also going to start ignorin the messages from this thread now, so make sure you give me your best backstab now when im not going to reply. goodbye.
86Corvus 8 months ago
He knows 10 languages fluently.
5Language 8 months ago
He's an autistic Ben Stein.
fibrousfeces 8 months ago
The tone of his voice sounds very sad, melancholy, and lonesome. Very interesting talk.
TVWriterGuy 8 months ago
so what number do you think his shirt is ?
UncertainTruth 8 months ago
I guessed the word was sad...but that's only because I assume any word in Icelandic is sad.
brettygood 8 months ago
I hate to say it, because i loved the TED talks, but nothing about this seems profound.
ReasonNLogic 8 months ago 2
@ReasonNLogic well, it sorta gives u some insight into a savann's thought process
popitypop 8 months ago
@popitypop Yeah, but is it an idea worth spreading? How can you even spread a genetically abhorrent thought process? I don't intend to diminish him or his work, I wish my brain could work that way. I just think this topic is is inappropriate to the purpose of TED talks.
ReasonNLogic 8 months ago
@divinityboy /watch?v=xHWtXSKSQSY
Enjoy!
FantasmaBAnco 8 months ago
@divinityboy Thanks! : )
FantasmaBAnco 8 months ago
How do I gain this incredible power? I think I used to have a bit of it when I was a kid, but now I perceive things just like a normal person.
JohnWoo 8 months ago
@JohnWoo Read his book! Embracing the Wide Sky. That's a good start.
sk8rbuoi 8 months ago
Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded
v1kingfan 8 months ago
I have no idea of what he's talking about. I think i just developed ADD...
flako1983 8 months ago
i wonder if he has read james joyce.
F4llenEvil 8 months ago
they just need to tone down the intro music volume a bit......I am running for my volume knob every time I open a video....just to find tat the speaker's voice is way too low at such volumes........
and the outro music? fucking crazy jet sound! tone it down for fucks sake.
vasish3688 8 months ago
@vasish3688 I so agree with your comment! ...with the exception of the 'f' descripters in the last sentence I have found your experience of the outrageously contrasting volumes to be similar to my experience
I am hoping that someone within the TED organization will soon see the comments regarding excessive volume and make appropriate adjustments
thanks for sharing
gaiagale 8 months ago
Watch: "The boy with the incredible brain". Available on youtube. It's a documentary about Daniel Temmet's incredible mental prowess and more about the Synaesthesia phenomenon.
FoxBatinaHat 8 months ago
The number 8 has always been purple to me. 5 is more blue.
But maybe that's just the repressed memory of some Sesame Street video I saw when I was a kid?
spacecowboy95 8 months ago 26
@spacecowboy95 its not its not! read the Tell Tale Brain by VS Ramachandran in which he talks about synesthesia. Or just look up his videos. Its amazing. Different number color synesthetes have their own number/color scale...
karevo123456789 8 months ago
is synaesthesia a condition or a better function of the brain?? because if you are able to plug and unplug this way of percieving the world I bet you are over average genius even mozart was tolld maybe on having this. you al must know that the brain is not a linear system at all, training to it is almost antinatural let's sat. almost because it needs a structure but not at all based on linear commands, that is becoming dumb and not letting the brain function at it's potential. high structures.
beastbubblegum 8 months ago
@beastbubblegum
Well, synesthesia can't be turned off. It can be dulled by medication or depression, but not completely turned off.
For example, throughout this entire talk, Tammet's voice really bothers me because it feels like its pressing on both sides of the back of my neck. But yes, the brain is very complex, and it shouldn't be surprising that synesthesia exists at all.
Buggy793 8 months ago
@beastbubblegum Synaesthesia is defined as being involuntary. For instance, I've got 'grapheme --> colour" synaesthesia, seeing letters and numbers in colour. I only realised I had it this year, and upon reflection and trawling through memories I realised that I had perceived letters/numbers this way since I was little. So it is involuntary certainly, so involuntary that one can go 18 years without realising what one is doing!
EclecticSceptic 8 months ago
I wondered if he remembered his entire presentation, or did he need cue cards??
doingdamage 8 months ago
I also wanna be a superhuman :/
LittleTownInNorway 8 months ago
When he asked if hnugginn is a happy word or a sad word most of the audience said happy (like I did), was I the only one who heard that?
SimplySalma 8 months ago
my red is most definitely your red.
system3142 8 months ago
@system3142 the colour might be the same......the qualia may not be.
Interactivesystems 8 months ago
@Interactivesystems qualia is a bullshit concept.
richardcadbury 8 months ago
@richardcadbury how so? what are the atoms/particles of your perception called? or what is your theory of the mechanics of perception?
Interactivesystems 8 months ago
@Interactivesystems I can't really summarise everything i believe about perception in 500 characters. But my rejection of qualia as essentially a hopeless idea comes from largely agreeing with Dan Dennett, and also a bit from Paul Churchland. Their views are summarised nicely on the wiki entry on qualia. :)
richardcadbury 8 months ago
@richardcadbury churchland is good... you mean bayesian inference?
Interactivesystems 8 months ago
Interesting but IMHO it's like seeing the world through television: he was born with an 4k, someone smart has an HD, the vast majority of people have SD and hardware-upgrade is not an option...
lowdusk 8 months ago
Doesn't everyone calculate 64 X 75 like that? That's how they teach you in school right?
Waranoa 8 months ago
Words are musical.Series of words can be rhythmic.Rhythm is music. Poetry=music.
zorbazoo 8 months ago
In a weird way he reminds me of Sacha Baron Cohen. :)
marjan15 8 months ago
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mikaelfodor 8 months ago
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@marjan15 Sacha's cousin Simon-Baron Cohen is the man who diagnosed Daniel.
mikaelfodor 8 months ago
16 16 16 48 4800 wtf???
Ramsez 8 months ago
Lately I have been experiencing one coincidence after another...I use the word coincidence because I don't believe in superstition or any other nonsense like that. For example, I just discovered what a savant is by watching a documentary about Daniel Tammet YESTERDAY and now he's on TED :) My favorite thing to watch :)
andyrooney12 8 months ago
This guy's got it all wrong. 1 is gray, 2 is yellow, 3 is green, 4 is black, 5 is red, 6 is light blue, 7 is blue, 8 is white and 9 is black.
TheMessianicManic 8 months ago
@TheMessianicManic How do you reason that? I wish I could perceive my reality as vibrantly as he can.
enriqueDFTL 8 months ago
@enriqueDFTL I was kind of kidding. I'm a synesthete as well and those are just the colors I associate with those numbers.
TheMessianicManic 8 months ago
@TheMessianicManic That's awesome. I very much wish I could experience synesthesia.
enriqueDFTL 8 months ago
@enriqueDFTL you do look up boobo and kiki, synaesthesia is the basis of human language
Interactivesystems 8 months ago
Most people said "happy".
AlgerianTree 8 months ago 9
@AlgerianTree That's why everyone laughed when he said "everyone said sad" that was the joke
DURPTY DURP!
RantKid 8 months ago
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AlgerianTree 8 months ago
This guy is a fraud. He is no savant. He is a mnemonic.
shortfu 8 months ago
I'd like to ask him if he has a friend named Bigus Dikus and enjoys having people 'twown to the fwoow.' =D
zangetsujoo 8 months ago
i'm just a moron.
chickinstompin 8 months ago
I would want to have a cup of coffee with him now and then, and talk about subjects as this. I find him fascinating.
BrokenBjartur 8 months ago
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Very interesting and intriguing.
DurexDurpaneu2 8 months ago
Bruno?
lukeism2 8 months ago
Hare, rather than Wabbit?
xD
God i'm horrible...
cmd2tuts 8 months ago
Liked it until he started talking about poetry.
rawssremix 8 months ago
@rawssremix -_-
Neylonx 8 months ago
@Neylonx It may have been what the author intended to evoke (or not), but I didn't get any more sense of vulnerability from 'hare' than I did 'rabbit'. Or if I did, it was unconscious, lowering the impact somewhat. Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of poetry, but I just didn't like this talk's part on it.
rawssremix 8 months ago
@rawssremix oh ok, sorry it sounded like you were on of those people who think 'raedin buks is 4 nerds' :) my bad ha
Neylonx 8 months ago
@Neylonx No worries. Probably should have explained better anyway, I see its ambiguity now.
rawssremix 8 months ago
hnugginn actualy seems a bit like "huggin" with some aditional N's so i would see it as a happy word, the sound of it had no meaning in the decision making contrary to the theory of the speaker i think people use knowledge to determine meaning of words by asociacion and similarities to theyre known vocabulary, not by emotions because you can say thesame word with oposite emotional charge and hte meaning prevails thesame. so first the meaning then the emotional charge not other way arround imho
86Corvus 8 months ago 16
@86Corvus
hnuggin was actually a bad example by him. the phenomenon he tried to show is well documented.
babies, children and adults were tasked with recognizing the name of certain shapes only by watching them.
99.99999% of the people, regardless of ethnic background or culture gave the name KIKI to a jagged pointy shape and 99.99999% of people gabe the soft rounder shape the name BUBBA, out of the only 2 possible names (KIKI AND BUBBA). nobody names the pointy thing bubba
mazdaplz 8 months ago
@mazdaplz Read about this in the book "Mind Hacks". The idea is that our language and our sense of touch is cross-wired, and in fact, that the phenomenon of language itself owes its existence to a type of synaesthesia, which is itself the result of crossed wiring in the brain. Neat stuff.
openuniverse2003 8 months ago
@86Corvus I think in this case the audience was influenced my being in public, and in stead of thinking about it and give it a negative answer they went for the positive one.
fuunguus 8 months ago
@86Corvus i agree that we all have a framework, but if you imitate the way he says it, you might feel that it's more of a sad word. I think it has to do with the facial muscles and the position of the tongue. some things are indeed universal.
MouseMaiden 8 months ago
Once you know its a sad word you can get a confirmation bias. The meanings of words are by asiciation not by the sound of it realy. in diferent languages there are similar looking and sounding words, it is so because all languages branched off one that oryginated in in africa.
the longer time ago the branching ocurred the less similarities. you can have 2 words in 2 diferent languages meaning thesame, written similar, and sounding similar one has a heavy and other light pronounciation.
86Corvus 8 months ago
@86Corvus Etymology is an incredibly complicated field. I have little knowledge of it, but I'm pretty sure there are 5 known roots of language. I agree with you that there is a confirmation bias, but there are also vowels and sounds that evoke things universally, on a very basic level. For example, 'ee' sounds usually evoke happiness and liveliness, while 'aaw' / o sounds sadness. you're also right in pointing out that pronunciation is key, just as non-verbal cues are key in providing meaning =)
MouseMaiden 8 months ago
@MouseMaiden in my language "e" sounds like either " what the fuck do you want eh?" or i dont care "meh..." and o means suprise or being of note of something. so its much less reliable than vocabulary. we all evolved from africa and thats where all language started
86Corvus 8 months ago
@86Corvus i mean ee like wheeeeeeeee! =)
MouseMaiden 8 months ago
well i cant tell you than "wheeeeeee" doesnt exist in my language , the reason i get it is becasue i get english and its so popular that everyone now gets it but if you were to listen an native african be happy it might be something diferent like clicking or beating your thighs with open hand.
86Corvus 8 months ago
Laughter is universal but the reliability of the emotion transferred by sounds is very low. mainly because you can make anny sound sound in manny emotional ways so emotional conotation of hte word is an addon to the word not realy haveing to do with meaning.
86Corvus 8 months ago
the guy in the video obviously thinks its more important because he has an abnormal brain which confuses things like shapes and colours with sounds so in his perception the things he calls emotion colour numerical value of a word etc are added to the word and exposed in percieving it. thats why theyre more notable to him. however that has no bearing on how reliable following those instead of deductive comparision of wording is.
86Corvus 8 months ago
its like you got a contour of a duck in your mind and he has a fully painted colorful a bit van goghish and a bit deformed contour of a duck that makes a weird sound. he sees the colour with his shape a sound with his shape etc etc. but that aditional information adds nothing to the meaning of the shape which is - a duck. id say that other people with his condition would see the duck deformed in a bit diferent way or entirely diferent way. so he has more information noise added
86Corvus 8 months ago
If you were to guess by sounding you would have then to say one word is a positive the other a negative word with. meanwhile hteyre both have thesame meaning and lets say its a happy meaning. you would propably have luck decoding the unknown word knowing the other and using similarity than trying to blind guess on mere pronounciation. pronounciation might be the last thing to hang to when others fail when the languages are very dissimilar branched long ago.
86Corvus 8 months ago
but for europeyan languages? catze, kate, kot, cat, chat, gato, kass, kissa, gata etc...
86Corvus 8 months ago
@86Corvus ahhh i don't really know about that. maybe when i'm thinking in the same language, i might approach it in the way you mentioned - through association. that isn't the case when i'm dealing with completely foreign ones, though. i feel where the speaker is coming from.
palaiding 8 months ago
@86Corvus I mostly agree with you, but certain words carry an onomatopoetic charge. If you know a language branch (set of closely related languages) you can often tell a lot from compositions of words by wovels, consonants, and how they combine. For "Hnugginn" the "hnu" beginning of the word carries a sad tone, like "aww". The "ginn" is a more general ending of a word in icelandic.
Can you guess what the Norwegian synonymous words hva / hæ (hae) / hø (hö) means? (last two are oral versions)
gulllars 8 months ago
@86Corvus The word sounds a lot different from "huggin". That may be related to you seeing how it's spelt.
raydredX 8 months ago
@86Corvus : Just a bad example I guess. Mainly because he showed the word in alphabets. Had he played an audio clip of the word, perhaps he would have illustrated it better.
Pshaurk 8 months ago
@86Corvus Actually, I glanced at the first sentence of yours while watching the video so I was a little biased, until I heard him say the word which I then immediately understood as being sad...I think he has a point.
chichigord 8 months ago
@chichigord whiwhc point, that words are at a very basic level oryginated from some simple moans and sounds that didnt even have alphabet atatched to them? or that his aditional information noise has lots of bearing on it. as i said laughter is universal, so are moans groans etc. ( altho not all as some of them developed from already formed language to suport them thus eskimos touch noses to express love and some african natives spit water in the face of other to express a hearthy welcome),
86Corvus 8 months ago
@86Corvus His point that sounds translate emotions
chichigord 8 months ago
@86Corvus maybe the Inuit touch noses to express fear...fear of loss...fear of death...at a deeper level that is, which becomes understood as love...which could in fact be fear. And maybe the Africans you speak of spit in the face as a territorial gesture...Welcome, but don't forget who the man is around here.
chichigord 8 months ago
it is much more reliable to asociate words with already known vocabulary to derrive meaning than to listen to the tone of voice. THe guys theory is ok (btw its not His theory per se) on a very basic primal level some sounds are universal, they are primitive to the highest degree they canot be used to determin meaning of words or sentences. words have meaning on theyre own and trying to determine theyre meaning basing off the type of sound they perform isnt reliable.
86Corvus 8 months ago
@86Corvus:Site reference or is this your theory?
113Doctor 8 months ago
@113Doctor thats what you learn at a 5 year university magisterial pedagogics studies on social animation and prevention arround semester 6 if i remember corectly.
86Corvus 8 months ago
@86Corvus:You repeat, Tammet Teaches.
SHH!
We Know Tammet IS GENIUS!
86Corvus=???
You remind me of a salesperson trying to sell something worthless making you try harder to sell/talk to justify your paper degree.
Now the Hole World OVERstands.
113Doctor 8 months ago
@113Doctor you asked i told you. i dont realy care what i remind you off because im not here for your amusement. also after spending 5 years on something i hope someone pays you back deeming it uterly useless too. i guess im just so bad that i dont think those 5 years ive spent were totaly useless. also its not a paper degree, if you have anny knowledge of what a paper degree is, its something having no value given because its given by illegitimate source.
86Corvus 8 months ago
@86Corvus:Correct I ask but Keep it Short or I lose interest.
So far you spew forth a lot of words that seem more to do with the emotions behind the paper culture almost like you have to justify it to everyone esp yourself.
So far you have wrote pages, and I wonder why you first felt the need.
113Doctor 8 months ago
@113Doctor i guess i have that ood habbit of speaking my mind. I love how you try to excercise some armchair psychology its cute. But whats more interesting is why are you are feeling the need to speak here, as of yet you started off by saying im incorect because this guy is a savant, which is the most basic logical falacy. its called argumentum ad verecundiam. also most people on the audience said HAPPY which also supports what i said.
86Corvus 8 months ago
@86Corvus:Tamment OVERstand that which Paper Culture struggles to understand.
Tamment brings a smile to my face, he creates peace, he brings color and beauty to numbers.
I come off as the Stephen Tyrone Colbert of Timelords but really I'm plugged in and my box is proof.
113Doctor 8 months ago
@113Doctor University of Łódź is a polish secular national university. one of the best in the europe, 4th best of poland the page is uni.lodz.pl so it would be nice if you didnt call papers from there worthless its not cration research university or some other shit, its legitimate university. I also never said i have a degree yet what i have is an absolutory and i curently am landing finishing touches to my magisterial paper to be peer reviewed. absolutory means i have finished all the courses
86Corvus 8 months ago
@113Doctor passed all the exams and tests.
86Corvus 8 months ago
@113Doctor you know tamet is a genious but you forget he also has a abnormal distorted perceptiion. he said it himself.