Midway-WW2 Dogfight and action scenes Part 2 of 2

[Rikki0]

It was a great movie and for the most part fairly accurate. Sadly, the Hollywood types just could not help themselves. There was not a single Kamikaze attack, nor even a wounded Japanese who decided to give his all and crash into the Hornet or any other ship, during the Battle of Midway.

[KingSofttn]

Đấy là phim gì zậy chòi

[jaredlee283]

LOL @6:00 - @6:03 "This is whirlwi~IN THE AIR DAI BOMBA!!!!"

[NoobSnoopy]

Wow.. looks really awsome movie because it's very well detailed and follows actyal history.

[SCE2AUX]

"We like to call it analysis.."

- Joe Rochefort

[NoobSnoopy]

Really well made.. but it's hilarious how japanese cant aim for shit. xD

[DASCO2136]

@123codename123 well the scene where the strike leader crashed into Yorktowns deck was accurate. I read it on wikipedia, in a midway documentary book and in the battlefield video documentary and all three sources mentioned Yorktown getting hit by a japanese torpedo plane

[warwatcher91]

@DASCO2136 The Yorktown was never kamikazed. It was hit by torpedoes and Bombs. You might be thinking of the USS Hornet which sank at Santa Cruz.

[SpenzOT]

The sound effects of this movie are excellent for the period. Deep bass explosions and engrossing war effects. I like Tora Tora Tora for its original battle scenes, but I will always love Midway for its dramatic sound effects.

[canon21100]

@SpenzOT Yeah, Midway was in Sensaround

[cosmicdingo]

Lotsa peeps gotta remember this is the Seventies, no digital SFX.You took what u could find.Still an excellent action/war flick.

[nolifemerc]

crash at 7.50 is a f9f and more of all you see divebomber and when they pull out its a u4 corsair funny shit.

[talltallman2002]

It would have been nice to do this dogfight and battle scenes to the movie "Pearl Harbor" too.

[GKris1989]

Some of this is real footage, not just a movie. I'm sure most of you realized that though.

[hill9868]

The Japanese dive-bomber pilots were very good, of the 18 that attacked the Yorktown, only five penetrated the defences to drop their bombs but three of them scored direct hits. Had all 4 Japanese carriers managed to organise a strike against the US carriers, the outcome would have been very different.

[galoon]

@hill9868 True, this battle could easily have gone either way. Had the radio been working on the Soryu's scout plane, had Nagumo decided not to re-arm the torpedo planes with bombs after the first Midway strike, had the Japanese found our carriers before we found theirs...any one of these could have resulted in a Japanese victory here. So many battles in history have come down to pure chance.

[hill9868]

@galoon Very true. And there are more 'what ifs'. What if Stanhope Ring had flown in the right direction and the Hornet's dive-bombers had found Nagumo's carriers as well. What if the IJN destroyer Arashi hadn't led Wade McClusky's dive-bombers to the Jap carriers. What if the carriers Shokaku and Zuikaku hadn't got knocked about at Coral Sea and had been at Midway too. What if the battle had been fought a few days later then June 4th so the carrier USS Wasp had been able to participate.

[galoon]

@hill9868 All good points you mentioned--the Battle of Coral Sea had a huge impact on what would (or wouldn't) happen at Midway. One Japanese strike (100+ aircraft) couldn't find the Lexington or the Yorktown, but sank a destroyer and the oiler USS Neosho instead! One of the good things about this film is it touches on the many problems of aerial navigation in a WWII naval battle. With the Japanese advantage not only in numbers, but in combat experience, it's remarkable that the US won Midway.

[hill9868]

@galoon US Historian Barrett Tilmann says that the two biggest advantages the Japanese navy had during the war was a better quality torpedo and better carrier-borne reconaissance aircraft. But the scout pilots of Nagumo's fleet under-performed at Midway- one scout plane flew right over the US task force without spotting them and scout no 4 from the Tone only found the US carriers because it veered off course and was late in taking off. Had it taken off on schedule, it would have found nothing.

[galoon]

@hill9868 Also a good point you made on the IJN dive-bomber pilots--they had a good stable aircraft in the Aichi D3A "Val." I read somewhere that their pilots put 80% of their bombs on target overall, which is incredible. The US Douglas SBD was a fine dive-bomber as well; it had the lowest loss rate of any US naval aircraft. I think it equipped a number of Australian squadrons as well.

[hill9868]

@galoon No, but it did equip squadrons of New Zealand's air-force. The US-built aircraft the Australians used during WW2 were the P-40, the P-51, the B-25 and B-24, the PBY and the TBF. You are right about the SBD's quality- it proved a very sturdy machine that Japanese fighter pilots found difficult to shoot down and it also had a lower rate of flight deck crashes than other US types. Many carrier pilots preferred it over its intended replacement-the SB2 Helldiver.

[ericsantiago011]

wat is the title of this movie

[collegefootballrulez]

@ericsantiago011 The title is "Midway". 

[DASCO2136]

@123codename123 Actually Yorktown was attacked twice. It got hit by 3 bombs in the first attack but was also attacked with torpedo bombers later on. By the time the Japanese 2nd attack reached Yorktown, her damage was repaired well enough to make it looked like she was never attacked in the first place and the Japanese thought Yorktown was sunk, so it was either Enterprise or Hornet

[moogug]

I did see a F4U Corsair in one shot, They didn't start using them till 1943 and that was only by the Marines. Also that is stock footage of a Hellcat and they didnt have them till '43 either. So many good actors wasted on a cheap film.

[oil97]

@moogug they probably couldnt find good footage of wildcats and other planes

[rsherfan]

thats because these dogfight sequences aren't in chronological order from the movie. the first scenes happen near the end of the film. the later scenes happen earlier on.

[Decimator92]

@123codename123 In the real battle, like the movie, the Yorktown got hit twice, the Japanese thought it was a different carrier the second time.