buen video oyee me podrias decir pork cuadno abro el programa dodne se supone que me debe apareser el area detrabajod el programa osea lo que seve alo primero los cuadritos del area detrabajo ay seme presenta en balnco me podrias ayudar pofa esk debo activar algo o darle alguna funcion nose que qeu aser porfavor ayudame xdxd
this way of sculpting takes to mutch time initialy, i like to just wax out the basic shapes before i iron out the bumps, but everyone has their way i guess, and not to be picky but there are alott of Anatomical Flaws in the model, altho great fantasy detailing
Hi,I gave Mudbox a try.it is very nice.but I would like to sculpt a human figure from scratch instead of having to start with a pre-made figure.So,I would like to start with a plane and gradually built up the shape of the figure.is there any way to do so in Mudbox? thanks
Hmm , well it could work , but I am having this problem.Imagine I want to sculpt
an animal. it is so hard to remove the clay to create i.e the empty area under its body,where its legs are.it leads to some strange shapes that i try to smooth but it looks awful. is there any way to nicely remove clay?thanks a lot
Oh jesus. Some of the anatomy might be a little off. Its a sketch or a speed sculpt for people like you that cant tell the difference. People do these to look back on themselves and see what they need to improve on. The purpose of speedies is practice and improvement. Not a production ready asset. But of course you wouldnt know that
LOL, this is not a human body, I can tell you that right now. Ive taken anatomy and life drawing extensively and know that this is a foreign species to me. He may have the same basic shape, assembly, appendages(minus a couple lol), and joints, but if I cut that mammal open, it would be like a whole different species
@donovan3955 yeah, you are the retarded one. quote from you "but if I cut that mammal open, it would be like a whole different species " this is sketching the human body, not making it function with organs you dumbass. he may not of taken anatomy classes or whatever you've taken, but your actually saying that this is NOT the human body but a different species. its a sketch, not an exact representation.
@iTechnicalSkater Well, it should be, unless he wants to makes characters for last gen consoles. If a company wants a modified human muscular structure, theyll ask, otherwise, its a waste of time to practice doing that.
@donovan3955 its not a waste of time, its practice. he made mistakes yes but you learn from your mistakes. but you know what is a waste of time, talking to morons like you. and as i can see from the comments on your channel that your hated by lots. so do something better with your time then bitching on youtube k?
@TechnicalSkater BP made a tiny mistake in the gulf of Mexico, but hey, theyll make perfect after a few decades. If talking to me was a waste of time, my mind would have to continually refrain from thinking reflectively which is impossible. And i leave the hate comments on my youtube channel to show what idiots they are for fighting on youtube. I dont let what they say change who I am. bitching is different than making fun of peoples videos. One is seriously and meant to hurt.
@donovan3955 ruining the ocean isnt the same as this, not at all. gonna point that out to yeah. but you know what, go on make fun of others videos then. it doesnt make sense to me being hated on instead of being liked, but hey, go ahead if it makes perfect sense to you. just to let you know, your not doing any good by doing that, your just putting people down and making them give up by doing that. thats why your called a hater. *applaud*
@TechnicalSkater Shit! That how I learned to be a better person and learn, because people told me how awful I am, its reverse psychology. And this is everything like the Old Spill, someone is doing their job the wrong way, the repercussions could cost many lives in the gaming world
@donovan3955 the oil spill killed people. how is this "everything" like the oil spill? this sketch is just practice. fuck, ive been laughing my ass off this whole argument weve been having. you are defiantly retarded.
@TechnicalSkater Ooo, i like that description, "defiantly retarded". I will start using that for people that drill in the wrong location of the location or build muscles in the wrong location of the human body. lmao fersure. Imma practice sketching near a big pipe next time
@donovan3955 you didnt answer my question retard. this oil spill killed many people, caused a big amount of damage to the ocean, and many people have lost lots of business. how is this "everything" like the oil spill? like you said before, "this is everything like the Old Spill"
@TechnicalSkater because its illustrates the amount of imprecision humans use in executing a fine art. If I was sketching myself the next bionic spincter, wouldnt it be cataclysmic to misplace the muscular trigger?
@donovan3955 sketching the human body and making a video of it for youtube isnt cataclysmic. so this isnt everything like the oil spill. yeah, he misplaced some muscles and made mistakes. but your going out and saying that its not the human body but a completely different species. and as i can tell by this convo were not gonna get any where, were just gonna end up not agreeing with each other in the end. so lets just stop this since its not doing any good, and go on with our lives. seriously.
@PAINmedia hmm...idont believe in taking advantage of retarded peoples. I did see toy story as a matter of fact. But the last part you told me is quite impossible.
Hey mister. Are you reading what people are saying? I know you think you can't do it, but I think you can because it's really just a diagram, a blueprint. Test it! Let's make new law.
PLEASE DONT READ THIS. YOU WILL GET KISSED ON THE NEAREST POSSIBLE FRIDAY BY THE LOVE OF YOUR%uFEFF LIFE. TOMORROW WILL BE THE BEST DAY OF YOUR LIFE. HOWEVER IF YOU DONT POST THIS COMMENT TO AT LEAST 3 VIDEOS YOU WILL DIE WITHIN 2 DAYS. NOW UV STARTED READIN DIS DUNT STOP THIS IS SO SCARY. SEND THIS OVER TO 5 VIDEOS IN 143 MINUTES WHEN UR DONE PRESS F6 AND UR CRUSHES NAME WILL APPEAR ON THE SCREEN IN BIG LETTERS. THIS IS SO SCARY BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY WORK
I prefer Z brush, but they both have their pros and cons. Mudbox models come pre uv'd, while Z brush makes better normal maps and features architectural work with the aid of projection master.
Ah. In that case, I'm immediately inclined to choose ZBrush over Mudbox. ZBrush gives you the ability to create your model in-house from the ground up which I think is awesome.
I had no idea sculpting could be done in this manner on a computer. I want to find out more about mudbox. I suppose once you plot in the completed figure, the computer can then animate him? Great job with this piece. Animated or not, it's a beautiful sculpture. Your dinosaur is also fantastic. I want to try my hand at this technique too, though having a talent such as yours would be a plus!
My anatomy teacher sucks. I learned more from this guy from just one seating compared to what I've learned from my teacher in one semester. Grrr! I hate him!
Im assuming God used a computer and software when he designed everyone...
V8SplashMan 3 days ago
XD i thought it said Stretching human body at a glance
Ironside451 3 months ago
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nice video..really appreciate this. :D
dayspeace 3 months ago
Imba and kuyaw, yet understandable. Kudos!
insomniacgrace 3 months ago
He needs a bigger ass and a nice big package ;P
damnshanequa 6 months ago
look is chuck noris xD
bossrdt 7 months ago
if some1 were to really use almost all the muscles on their body like in the sketch wouldnt they cramp up
blackwinter35 7 months ago
does this work with windows 7?
kyle11606 8 months ago
I stopped before you can get to the center area, I get the point lol
Zectro15Tero 8 months ago
epic....that is all
kyle11606 8 months ago
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6:45 He's got a face on his arse XD
nothuman100 9 months ago
Poor guy doesn't even get a cod-piece? I go nowhere without my junk.
Daremo423 10 months ago 6
Fuck, you're good....
ManOfSteel2627 10 months ago 4
if u play this video side by side with dj bl3nd wtf mix i swear to god the brush is dancing to the music.
Djghost1123 10 months ago
Its..... Its... A WOMAN!?!?!??!?!?!
tictac4949 10 months ago
wheres the penis
Upriser300 11 months ago 23
buen video oyee me podrias decir pork cuadno abro el programa dodne se supone que me debe apareser el area detrabajod el programa osea lo que seve alo primero los cuadritos del area detrabajo ay seme presenta en balnco me podrias ayudar pofa esk debo activar algo o darle alguna funcion nose que qeu aser porfavor ayudame xdxd
yobani1989 11 months ago
some parts of the anatomy is off the lower torso and the leg muscle dont look right to me, but is still looks good
reddnuckles 1 year ago
Impressive muscle work!
Whaffel 1 year ago
If you happen to have this mesh/model still...can you send me the file lmao?
jandhaysk8 1 year ago
@jandhaysk8 would like to have it too to sculpt along with you and learn some more about sculpting :)
Margalus89 1 year ago
No painis WHAT THE FUCK
38647585 1 year ago
Do I need a tablet for sculpting?
AlexanderrrL 1 year ago
@fantagons : you know how to download it for free?... i'm getting tired of photoshop xD
BrandNewSongz 1 year ago
BUNS OF STEEL !!! nice work :P
djmellstrom 1 year ago
calm down everybody it is a very buff girl with no tits
Boyofstrategy123 1 year ago
female? :D
rtgmania 1 year ago
its like virtual clay
MrXthemusic2 1 year ago
What software is it ?
BrandNewSongz 1 year ago
@BrandNewSongz
This is Maya 2011. Isn't it?
Mudbox is within Maya.
fantagons 1 year ago
Dude, awesome anatomy knowledge shown! Hoping for a hot babe though ;-)
luger205 1 year ago
awesome work. fuck the nay sayers.
lsc9x 1 year ago
how long would it take to do something like this?
EZbakeROFLcakes 1 year ago
looks weird at the quadriceps n back of shoulders
faisal2401 1 year ago
He didn't sculpt the penis, Big deal.
I think this is a great sculpt! Keep up the good work.
mike5424 1 year ago
U could create a girl. Not a dude....
Martynas94 1 year ago
LOLOLOLO NO PENIS LOLOL. No. Shut the fuck up.
TheAllBlackRabbit 1 year ago
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u got a ingrowing dick u moron
madmeye 1 year ago
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madmeye 1 year ago
next time make a hot babe
pitpalak 1 year ago 45
That was amazing! I even clicked on a link I had no interest in to support you :)
ambrey2 1 year ago
NICE ASS!
saggster20 1 year ago
Wow! Sketching in 3d! Never heard of it some years ago.
reygood1 1 year ago
how god made us
MrSkywolf24 1 year ago
this way of sculpting takes to mutch time initialy, i like to just wax out the basic shapes before i iron out the bumps, but everyone has their way i guess, and not to be picky but there are alott of Anatomical Flaws in the model, altho great fantasy detailing
15Protech 1 year ago
aw i thought you were gonna make a human out of a cube... but dont get me wrong, this is brilliant too
caxco93 1 year ago
Is this Similar to Zbrush? Or is ther a big gap between them? :x
gena 1 year ago
no penis? :(
Xlay16 1 year ago
Hi,I gave Mudbox a try.it is very nice.but I would like to sculpt a human figure from scratch instead of having to start with a pre-made figure.So,I would like to start with a plane and gradually built up the shape of the figure.is there any way to do so in Mudbox? thanks
boromir2007 1 year ago
@boromir2007 you can either build from a sphere or a cube. :D
Hennet10001 1 year ago
@Hennet10001
you are right! I just need a sphere large enough! thanks!
boromir2007 1 year ago
@Hennet10001
Hmm , well it could work , but I am having this problem.Imagine I want to sculpt
an animal. it is so hard to remove the clay to create i.e the empty area under its body,where its legs are.it leads to some strange shapes that i try to smooth but it looks awful. is there any way to nicely remove clay?thanks a lot
boromir2007 1 year ago
nice work
gnawa3d 1 year ago
What kind of tablet are you using?
iCreate89 1 year ago
great job
fearseba 1 year ago
Oh jesus. Some of the anatomy might be a little off. Its a sketch or a speed sculpt for people like you that cant tell the difference. People do these to look back on themselves and see what they need to improve on. The purpose of speedies is practice and improvement. Not a production ready asset. But of course you wouldnt know that
heberwi 1 year ago
idk wat u guys r talkin about
Steelerfan123451 1 year ago
you make fingers and legs like i do, but you make that torso, ass, and arms ripped, I tell you what
donovan3955 1 year ago
i want one of me!
lostintheapplasauce 1 year ago
mudboz or zbrush? which is better?
makaocloud 1 year ago
Amazing work, now I'm in the mood to go draw something :) thank you :)
bamf27 1 year ago
@donovan way to be a douche about it. You couldve left out all the extra bullshit.
heberwi 1 year ago
Which mudbox tool did you use for the sculpting?
Tyrkul 1 year ago
LOL, this is not a human body, I can tell you that right now. Ive taken anatomy and life drawing extensively and know that this is a foreign species to me. He may have the same basic shape, assembly, appendages(minus a couple lol), and joints, but if I cut that mammal open, it would be like a whole different species
donovan3955 1 year ago
@donovan3955 yeah your retarded, just pointing that out there.
TechnicalSkater 1 year ago
@TechnicalSkater okay, I am the one retarded when he is creating a species with a whole different set of muscles and collective fat
donovan3955 1 year ago
@donovan3955 yeah, you are the retarded one. quote from you "but if I cut that mammal open, it would be like a whole different species " this is sketching the human body, not making it function with organs you dumbass. he may not of taken anatomy classes or whatever you've taken, but your actually saying that this is NOT the human body but a different species. its a sketch, not an exact representation.
TechnicalSkater 1 year ago
@iTechnicalSkater Well, it should be, unless he wants to makes characters for last gen consoles. If a company wants a modified human muscular structure, theyll ask, otherwise, its a waste of time to practice doing that.
donovan3955 1 year ago
@donovan3955 its not a waste of time, its practice. he made mistakes yes but you learn from your mistakes. but you know what is a waste of time, talking to morons like you. and as i can see from the comments on your channel that your hated by lots. so do something better with your time then bitching on youtube k?
TechnicalSkater 1 year ago
@TechnicalSkater BP made a tiny mistake in the gulf of Mexico, but hey, theyll make perfect after a few decades. If talking to me was a waste of time, my mind would have to continually refrain from thinking reflectively which is impossible. And i leave the hate comments on my youtube channel to show what idiots they are for fighting on youtube. I dont let what they say change who I am. bitching is different than making fun of peoples videos. One is seriously and meant to hurt.
donovan3955 1 year ago
@donovan3955 ruining the ocean isnt the same as this, not at all. gonna point that out to yeah. but you know what, go on make fun of others videos then. it doesnt make sense to me being hated on instead of being liked, but hey, go ahead if it makes perfect sense to you. just to let you know, your not doing any good by doing that, your just putting people down and making them give up by doing that. thats why your called a hater. *applaud*
TechnicalSkater 1 year ago
@TechnicalSkater Shit! That how I learned to be a better person and learn, because people told me how awful I am, its reverse psychology. And this is everything like the Old Spill, someone is doing their job the wrong way, the repercussions could cost many lives in the gaming world
donovan3955 1 year ago
@donovan3955 the oil spill killed people. how is this "everything" like the oil spill? this sketch is just practice. fuck, ive been laughing my ass off this whole argument weve been having. you are defiantly retarded.
TechnicalSkater 1 year ago
@TechnicalSkater Ooo, i like that description, "defiantly retarded". I will start using that for people that drill in the wrong location of the location or build muscles in the wrong location of the human body. lmao fersure. Imma practice sketching near a big pipe next time
donovan3955 1 year ago
@donovan3955 you didnt answer my question retard. this oil spill killed many people, caused a big amount of damage to the ocean, and many people have lost lots of business. how is this "everything" like the oil spill? like you said before, "this is everything like the Old Spill"
TechnicalSkater 1 year ago
@TechnicalSkater because its illustrates the amount of imprecision humans use in executing a fine art. If I was sketching myself the next bionic spincter, wouldnt it be cataclysmic to misplace the muscular trigger?
donovan3955 1 year ago
@donovan3955 sketching the human body and making a video of it for youtube isnt cataclysmic. so this isnt everything like the oil spill. yeah, he misplaced some muscles and made mistakes. but your going out and saying that its not the human body but a completely different species. and as i can tell by this convo were not gonna get any where, were just gonna end up not agreeing with each other in the end. so lets just stop this since its not doing any good, and go on with our lives. seriously.
TechnicalSkater 1 year ago 2
@donovan3955 YES CAUSE WE WOULD HATE FOR LIVES TOO BE LOST IN THE GAMING WORLD HUH
tywainwright1 1 year ago
@tywainwright1 aparantly you wouldnt mind =P
donovan3955 1 year ago
@donovan3955 NO SHIT DUMBASS HOW LONG DID IT TAKE U TO FIGURE THAAT OUT BUT REALLY WHO CARES IF VIDEO GAME CHARACTERS DIE SERIOUSLLY
tywainwright1 1 year ago
@tywainwright1 watch toy story, you might understand the value of inanimate life
donovan3955 1 year ago
@donovan3955 Fucking retard! Go watch Toy Story and fuck you're self
PAINmedia 1 year ago
@PAINmedia hmm...idont believe in taking advantage of retarded peoples. I did see toy story as a matter of fact. But the last part you told me is quite impossible.
donovan3955 1 year ago
@donovan3955 Don't you know what the term ""fucking you're self "" means, Well... Perhaps not my problem if you'we never masturbated
PAINmedia 1 year ago
@PAINmedia and Donovan3955 how old are you agian?
mads98989 1 year ago
Hey, is there any way you could send me the file for the human base mesh? Pm me if you can and I will give you my hotmail. Thanks!
ZAKK33N 1 year ago
You did not make the face....... :/
ALLtalants 1 year ago
excelent tutorial
880728leonjf 2 years ago
i cant even make that thing before you started sculpting
TyylerS 2 years ago
@TyylerS Its in the program.
Cultuz 1 year ago
What about clothes and hair? Can MB make those from scratch? Can you use it with ncloth as a stand alone?
stokepogue 2 years ago
Hey very nice job :)
where did you made the first mesh ?
TheRiddl37 2 years ago
@TheRiddl37 Its in the program.
Cultuz 1 year ago
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you forgot his balls and dick, and get it right, make sure theyr small, just like yours :)
great demo! respect!
Baldoxxx4000 2 years ago
you are skillfull...
krokigrygg 2 years ago 2
His ass is stickin out way to much
like500pakis 2 years ago
Hey mister. Are you reading what people are saying? I know you think you can't do it, but I think you can because it's really just a diagram, a blueprint. Test it! Let's make new law.
hpribot 2 years ago
he doesn't has a face
zubtme 2 years ago
he's Mr. Faceless
Jenss72 2 years ago
lets see... something is missing... yes a dick!
maxmusavi 2 years ago
maybe he's a eunuch :)
KOFwhiz 2 years ago
that's right, get a dick !
nikoBCN 2 years ago
Tablet or mouse?
HCGHollywood 2 years ago
the bum looks funny lol
imilkdude 2 years ago
Hes super ripped... maybe like a year of elephant testosterone ripped
Werock4roll 3 years ago
How can i put the clothes
hotpc76 3 years ago
thats nice,but will be even better if you learn up human anatomy ;)
GrowlingVocals 3 years ago 4
Except that pretty much looks anatomically correct, for a buff dude.
TheReturnofDogen 3 years ago
there are a few mistakes ...
GrowlingVocals 3 years ago
That's not buff, that's ripped. If he was buff his lats would be more pronounced and his chest would be more bulked up and out.
superstudjock 2 years ago
that is neat...
rustydusty40 3 years ago
i want to make love with u XD
selcell 3 years ago
Amazing!!
saskewoo 3 years ago 3
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WatchBlackLagoon 3 years ago
Fuck you
malciuslopinys 3 years ago
witch is better, MUDBOX or Zbrush?
1mH4RD 3 years ago 2
blender sculpt mode (its free)
rorkimaru 3 years ago
I prefer Z brush, but they both have their pros and cons. Mudbox models come pre uv'd, while Z brush makes better normal maps and features architectural work with the aid of projection master.
MadcapVagrant 2 years ago
I agree with you there, I have Zbrush at home, but at school we use Mudbox. All programs ahve their pros and cons.
Tallacus 2 years ago
very good
kheewabrar 3 years ago
You gibve 'em an ass but no dick? lol jk jk Awesome video
kabadylanz 3 years ago
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gay
1mH4RD 3 years ago
change your username before saying anything
nathaniel309 3 years ago 3
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guess your not a full metal jacket fan, plain idiots also get points, thx for trying retard
1mH4RD 3 years ago
WHAT NO DING A LING!!!
ocarinatyphoon 3 years ago
No Pee pee??? He can't go wee wee Poor guy. :(
acheing123 3 years ago
Autodesk Mudbox is like Zbrush but you have more options to work with.
clanrbr 3 years ago
how long did this take u?
crazzzybishups 3 years ago
excellent work. great for anatomy students to view, even watch and sculpt afterwards
darknkreepy 3 years ago 3
Poor guy has to go pee and has no wee wee. :(
patriciathegreat 3 years ago 2
what's the software name?
fxgamer0809 3 years ago
=_=' it says the program on the title....
thanatosanima 3 years ago
thank's =]
fxgamer0809 3 years ago
its called mudbox
diamondback476 3 years ago
ladies i've got the same phsique
ninja7921 3 years ago
u mean uve got no dick? lol
SgtSKU 3 years ago 23
ha funny
ninja7921 3 years ago 4
nor even a face. which makes me curious how you eat food or even see what you're typing
SirBanon 3 years ago 2
So you dont have a dick ?
Demonair01 2 years ago
In the 3D world you only need Ctrl + C and Ctrl + V to reproduce.
InSaneTK 2 years ago 61
you seem to do it fast in the real world
valek27 2 years ago
Wow, that's some serious stuff you got there.
Cybermonkeyy 3 years ago 2
wow, nice muscular details. But give the guy a face!
Wulffspeaker 3 years ago
why he doesnt have a face? :)
mi6ky 3 years ago
This is quite impressive. I assume you copy the detail off a photo, or is it by memory?
mrdiko 3 years ago
Thats amazing O__O
Vivtastic 3 years ago
way you start working on details from the begining ?
kamel3d 3 years ago
What else should he have been working on?
CorruptOne18 3 years ago
This was awesome!! Great detail and very interesting to watch!
agalbrai 3 years ago
come on ..... hes half a man . at least give him balls.
alexross8 3 years ago
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lmfao no fucking dick! hahahahahaha hes a trans! lol
AkoProductions 3 years ago
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no body is perfect...but he is haha okay.. he haven't a dick... xD
MLuckY7 3 years ago
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a woman or mann ??? imao
you must make a dick
BiG18BoSS 3 years ago
What version of mudbox is this? Nice vid by the way, mudbox is kick ass!
StaleFlesh1 3 years ago 2
you forgot his face n dick :D
xaace 4 years ago
his ?! LOL ! it's :D
Neoneel25 3 years ago
Where does he pull the starting model from? I'm disappointed to see he doesn't make this in Mudbox.
Fagottron 4 years ago
Mudbox provides a human figure as a "primitive" of sorts.
manefraim 4 years ago
Ah. In that case, I'm immediately inclined to choose ZBrush over Mudbox. ZBrush gives you the ability to create your model in-house from the ground up which I think is awesome.
Fagottron 4 years ago
@Fagottron
Same in Mudbox, no program is "that easy" you have to work to get a good model.
5/5 nice vid by the way.
AnimationDarkMaster 3 years ago
What? I'll clarify myself.
ZBrush gives you the ability to create your model in-house from the ground up.
Mudbox does not. Therefore, I prefer ZBrush, as it is clearly the superior solution in terms of overall power, capability and time efficiency.
Fagottron 3 years ago
nice butt! :P
RiVvenGuard 4 years ago
Very nice..
But a bit overdone if you ask me.
And why doesn't he have a penis?
Artem12300 4 years ago 6
lol
RiVvenGuard 4 years ago
becuase he is very very very unfortunate, and theres no bathrooms or chicks in his 3d world lol
applejoosproductions 4 years ago
I had no idea sculpting could be done in this manner on a computer. I want to find out more about mudbox. I suppose once you plot in the completed figure, the computer can then animate him? Great job with this piece. Animated or not, it's a beautiful sculpture. Your dinosaur is also fantastic. I want to try my hand at this technique too, though having a talent such as yours would be a plus!
tapissary 4 years ago
you should also look at zbrush. it creates some prety amazing stuff. there are free trials for both products i definatly recoment you try them both
rorkimaru 4 years ago
masterwork
gabesz1138 4 years ago
you just forgot all the sensorial organs!and mr jonçhnson! but good job,congratulations!
kurydebarcelona 4 years ago
this guy is awesome no doubt. can i see a model wearing clothing or armor, done with mudbox?
ashputtel 4 years ago
My anatomy teacher sucks. I learned more from this guy from just one seating compared to what I've learned from my teacher in one semester. Grrr! I hate him!
BenivolentWarlock 4 years ago
I agree... Realy beautiful how he make the body
But i would like to see a bit more asymetri...
anyways nice work
3dmoddeler 4 years ago
make a super-muscular one xD love to see it
lon3rr 4 years ago
where you can get those kind of torsos? is there some page?
jukkarasm85 4 years ago