Evil is "destructive" and will tend to melt with the torture and if the person is innocent he/she will remain in silence. Evil is associated woth homosexuality and thus if you try to apply "sexual techniques" to obtain information, the person will only give you his/her homosexuality because "evil is very carnal". The real torture is simply to perform "an elegant intellectual confrontation with the evidence".
"Legal Jeopardy"; that's funny. How about people just consider treating other people like they are members of the human race, entiled to dignity, respect, and human and civil, if not contitutional rights. Thomas Paine's quote is to freedom, democracy, and respresentative constitutional government what torture is to . . . . ." What is war, death, conflict and anarchy? You are correct, you proceed to Final Jeopardy for non-elitist/-tyrranical/auotocrats that view mankind as their own caste system
Maybe Stuart is suggesting it is time for the poor and downtrodden to unite and really get down with the program. Fuck the Constitution. If polititicians can escape it because of their bad policy that creates situations where compliance isn't "expedient" or "efficient"; what the hell are we all doing here? Wasting time being law abiding citizens under the thumbs of these arrogant fascist fucking pricks I guess, them selling out the citizenry, country, and Constitution. Do as they do I guess.
Bush is a criminal. His cronies, criminals also. And I hope, and pray someone in government, someone in the world.. Has the guts to step up and bring that basxxx to justice. They thumbed their nose, at the Geneva Conventions. If the US won't do it, I pray someone in the International community will step up, and make him stand before his peers, be charged, tried, and hopefully convicted of crimes against humanity.
Us or them. Well, which them are you actually referring to ? Because the people who were tortured were innocent of any type of crime. Gasp. Imagine that. Most of those prisoners.. were never even charged with a crime.
uhhhh yeah torture should be used. in my opinion you lost your human rights in my country when you attacked my country. i would rather have killed a hundred terrorists to save ten americans. It's either them or us and i pick them.
I tend to agree that it should only be used if it is absolutely necessary, when all other possibilities have been attempted and failed. However, if it is a crime, under our national laws, then it simply cant be done. If we want to legalize it, then the law should be changed first. W/O adhering to law America quickly becomes meaningless.
Torture is actually ineffective at gaining useful information. The torture techniques they borrowed from SERE training (to torture-proof US and allied soldiers) were used by the Communists to extract false confessions of war crimes and cetera during the Korean War.
To squander the Moral High Ground, a vital asset in the Jihad Against Terror, for obviously unuseable information arguably constitutes TREASON, depending on whether or not the United States is in a time of war.
Torture might work only if it is used against someone who has useful information and is able to break (we all have our weaknesses). The issue is that torture is often used against the innocent and incites wrong information. The same might actually be said for those who have information but simply lie to get the torture to stop. It CAN work, but often doesnt. I still believe there are times when it is probably necessary (even if ineffective), but only in extreme circumstances.
I think this scenario shows how poor the argument for no investigations is. Horton, while I would have appreciated him dressing a little better for the event, easily parry every one of Taylor's poorly constructed, logically fallacious points. Taylor's counterpoints and rebuts sounded like he was throwing everything he could at the wall to see what would stick.
Stuart Taylor arguing scenarios for the torture of American criminal suspects. Add his name to the list of those he mentions as having potential complicity in the violations of the Geneva Convention (Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Tenet...their lawyers??? OMG!!) the name of one supportive media apologist, Stuart Taylor.
The fatty on the left started braying as if he was in a sound proof booth after the most succinct lecture I have ever heard but the skinny geek guy...
awesome, don't know if I can hang out til the chick starts mumblin'.
I can't even believe this is being debated. "should a us-official be prosecuted for not abiding the law and torture?!" how ridiculous. If thats the case maybe they should waive it for everybody as well and hold everyone to their own courrpt standards and not be so quick to condem and charge other people of un-humanitarian acts. JERKS!
Evil is "destructive" and will tend to melt with the torture and if the person is innocent he/she will remain in silence. Evil is associated woth homosexuality and thus if you try to apply "sexual techniques" to obtain information, the person will only give you his/her homosexuality because "evil is very carnal". The real torture is simply to perform "an elegant intellectual confrontation with the evidence".
OrionArmyAngel 1 year ago
excellent work!
1888junkteam 2 years ago
"Legal Jeopardy"; that's funny. How about people just consider treating other people like they are members of the human race, entiled to dignity, respect, and human and civil, if not contitutional rights. Thomas Paine's quote is to freedom, democracy, and respresentative constitutional government what torture is to . . . . ." What is war, death, conflict and anarchy? You are correct, you proceed to Final Jeopardy for non-elitist/-tyrranical/auotocrats that view mankind as their own caste system
Parent33w 2 years ago
Maybe Stuart is suggesting it is time for the poor and downtrodden to unite and really get down with the program. Fuck the Constitution. If polititicians can escape it because of their bad policy that creates situations where compliance isn't "expedient" or "efficient"; what the hell are we all doing here? Wasting time being law abiding citizens under the thumbs of these arrogant fascist fucking pricks I guess, them selling out the citizenry, country, and Constitution. Do as they do I guess.
Parent33w 2 years ago
There is no debate... and you haven't even cracked the surface!
DrJulienArbor 2 years ago
Bush is a criminal. His cronies, criminals also. And I hope, and pray someone in government, someone in the world.. Has the guts to step up and bring that basxxx to justice. They thumbed their nose, at the Geneva Conventions. If the US won't do it, I pray someone in the International community will step up, and make him stand before his peers, be charged, tried, and hopefully convicted of crimes against humanity.
Zenoah1 2 years ago
Us or them. Well, which them are you actually referring to ? Because the people who were tortured were innocent of any type of crime. Gasp. Imagine that. Most of those prisoners.. were never even charged with a crime.
Zenoah1 2 years ago
uhhhh yeah torture should be used. in my opinion you lost your human rights in my country when you attacked my country. i would rather have killed a hundred terrorists to save ten americans. It's either them or us and i pick them.
soccerstud22222 2 years ago
I tend to agree that it should only be used if it is absolutely necessary, when all other possibilities have been attempted and failed. However, if it is a crime, under our national laws, then it simply cant be done. If we want to legalize it, then the law should be changed first. W/O adhering to law America quickly becomes meaningless.
vidfreak56 2 years ago
Torture is actually ineffective at gaining useful information. The torture techniques they borrowed from SERE training (to torture-proof US and allied soldiers) were used by the Communists to extract false confessions of war crimes and cetera during the Korean War.
To squander the Moral High Ground, a vital asset in the Jihad Against Terror, for obviously unuseable information arguably constitutes TREASON, depending on whether or not the United States is in a time of war.
4400735 2 years ago
Torture might work only if it is used against someone who has useful information and is able to break (we all have our weaknesses). The issue is that torture is often used against the innocent and incites wrong information. The same might actually be said for those who have information but simply lie to get the torture to stop. It CAN work, but often doesnt. I still believe there are times when it is probably necessary (even if ineffective), but only in extreme circumstances.
vidfreak56 2 years ago
hehehehe thats really funny i wish i could see something like that in real life instead of just on a video.. seems like it would be better in person.
Chick6517 2 years ago
I think this scenario shows how poor the argument for no investigations is. Horton, while I would have appreciated him dressing a little better for the event, easily parry every one of Taylor's poorly constructed, logically fallacious points. Taylor's counterpoints and rebuts sounded like he was throwing everything he could at the wall to see what would stick.
jtwurth 2 years ago
Stuart Taylor arguing scenarios for the torture of American criminal suspects. Add his name to the list of those he mentions as having potential complicity in the violations of the Geneva Convention (Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Tenet...their lawyers??? OMG!!) the name of one supportive media apologist, Stuart Taylor.
Enjoy.
Timtimes 2 years ago
boring geeks talking about bullshit, they cant even talk right!
Mackr1980 2 years ago
The fatty on the left started braying as if he was in a sound proof booth after the most succinct lecture I have ever heard but the skinny geek guy...
awesome, don't know if I can hang out til the chick starts mumblin'.
sixtiksix 2 years ago
your comment makes no sense.
lucybean975 2 years ago
I can't even believe this is being debated. "should a us-official be prosecuted for not abiding the law and torture?!" how ridiculous. If thats the case maybe they should waive it for everybody as well and hold everyone to their own courrpt standards and not be so quick to condem and charge other people of un-humanitarian acts. JERKS!
yazyh 2 years ago 5
theyre both left-wing garbage
VoiceOfModeration 2 years ago