Alaska Salmon Ranching

[Alaskrab]

the Alaska Department of Fish and Game's website states, in black and white, in their annual reports and forecasts that about a quarter of Alaska's total catch are hatchery production fish (Pinks). The rest are natural production. Read em and weep. Nice campaign of misinformation. Go to Google, type in ADFG Commercial fisheries, click on the salmon section, and read the reports for yourselves people! This channel is a joke...

[Folkboat11]

@Alaskrab According to 2010 in-season estimates PWSAC salmon accounted for 72 percent of the ex-vessel value of the Sound’s common property salmon fisheries.

• According to preliminary 2009 data PWSAC salmon accounted for 64 percent of the ex-vessel value of the Sound’s common property salmon fisheries.

• Nearly 51 million PWSAC salmon were harvested in the Sound’s common property salmon fishery in 2010. Wild eh.

[Alaskrab]

Again, I gotta ask, where are you from? What do you for a living? What's your education? Do you have credentials worth citing? You truly don't know what you're talking about and have no basis for what you're claiming to be true. Call 907 653 1990. Talk to Steve, he runs the show, he'll back up what I've been saying repeatedly.

[Folkboat11]

@Alaskrab I have found hatchery factory farms where you have said there are none. So apparently I do know what I am talking about. You farm salmon all over Alaska. With out farming salmon you would not have near the size of a fishery as you do. Why not just be happy and proud Alaska farms salmon and you have a job catching them.

[Alaskrab]

I'm proud of Alaska's WILD salmon. I'm not currently working as a fisherman anymore. And no, you don't know what you're talking about, you've probably never been north of Nanaimo. Again, you're a joke, and pretty much anyone who looks at this channel and your comments knows that you're full of it. You're just an angry, unpaid, shit talking, fish farm grunt.

[Folkboat11]

@Alaskrab Me thinks someone got out on the wrong side of the bed and had some bad tasting cornflakes this morning. :)

[Folkboat11]

@Alaskrab Google this for your self, PRINCE WILLIAM SOUND AQUACULTURE CORPORATION

2011 HATCHERY RETURN FORECAST. The info is out there. Cherry Picking from you does not work for me.

[Folkboat11]

@Alaskrab How do you feel about this? Alaska Seafood Processing creates dead zones

September 28, 2011

Trident Seafoods Corp. to Pay $2.5 Million to Resolve Clean Water Act Violations and Spend More Than $30 Million to Upgrade Processing PlantsSettlement to reduce discharges of seafood...

[Alaskrab]

I feel like its a good thing that Trident is being held accountable. I definutely think that their needs to be better guidelines for where and how they discharge fish waste. I saw that you posted this some comment several times. Again, I'll warn you...you might want to do a bit more research here before you start another big argument. This doesn't have any real link to Alaska's wild salmon industry. Again, I'll urge you to use caution before you start ranting and raving again...

[Folkboat11]

@Alaskrab I feel it is a good thing " Vivian Krause' is in to research. Look for her interviews on Youtube. American foundations have payed over $90 million to promote so called wild Alaskan over farmed. Why didn't these foundations put any money to enviromental action in the Gulf of Mexico, on the eastren seaboard or the Alaskan coast? As far as ranting and raving goes. Do you remember when you said to me "you're full of it. You're just an angry, unpaid, shit talking, fish farm grunt." ?

[Alaskrab]

@Folkboat11 Of course I remember that! It's right down there if you scroll down. I still feel that way too. But you and this schmarly guy are spearheading a campaign of misinformation. I'm not going to argue with you anymore, hardly anyone buys into this little youtube joke you guys have going on anyhow...

[AquacultureAwareness]

It's now 2010!!!

We have an update for you...and it's going to blow you away. Click on our name and see what's happened since you posted this video on Alaska salmon.

[nauticaltemplar]

I JUST SAW THIS VID FOR THE SECOND TIME TO TRY TO FIND ANY TRUTH IN THIS VIDEO, THOSE ARE NOT FARMS IN THE VIDEO THEY ARE HATCHERIES FOR THE RIVERS THAT LOST THERE NATURAL SALMON DUE TO FLOODS AND HIGH SEAS ILLEGAL FISHING, THE PERCENTAGE OF ALASKA SALMON THAT COME FROM THIS IS LESS THAN 3% AND ARE PROTECTED FROM COMMERCIAL FISHING, IT IS AGAINST THE LAW IN THE STATE OF ALASKA TO OWN A FISH FARM, BRISTOL BAY SALMON RULE,LARGEST POPULATION OF WILD SALMON IN THE WORLD,

[Folkboat11]

@nauticaltemplar It sure looks like open net pens to me. Although they would not pass Canada's inspections. Oh right, you release your 1.5 billion pellet fed farmed fish up there. Feel good about what you do and call it Farming. Cousteau said "We must plant the sea and herd its animals using the sea as FARMERS insted of hunters." If this is not what Alaska and Canada are doing, I do not know what is. ps There is realy no need to shout.

[Alaskrab]

Your videos are so completely full of shit that they lead me to believe that you are a patient in a mental institution.

[Alaskrab]

Alaska has banned salmon farming. Raising juvenile salmon (from wild stocks) and releasing them is a far cry from salmon farming. This video is so far out there that its laughable. The Alaska hatchery program has been incredibly successful. It has augmented the commercial fisheries after the devastation from the Exxon Valdez Oil Spill. Whoever put this video together ahs the wrong facts, and I can prove this. Go send your time on something that really matters!

[Folkboat11]

@Alaskrab Farmed Salmon also came from wild stocks. We started Farming in the 60's at the same time Alaska started pumping out billions of salmon into the pacific. If my math is right, this was well before the Exxon Valdez oil spill. Please do not forget our wild salmon share the same winter feeding grounds as yours Alaskrab. Dont forget what the U.S. did to the buffalo.

[Alaskrab]

@Folkboat11 BC's fish farming industry uses Atlantic Salmon. You're not talking to some hippie here. You're talking to a fisheries biologist / commercial fisherman. I grew up in Alaska, fish in Alaska, and have worked in Alaska's hatchery program. I would be interested to see your credentials. I'm willing to bet that you work for a BC fish farming company. Anyhow, if you would like proper information, please feel free to ask some questions. I would like to put an end to the false data.

[Folkboat11]

@Alaskrab 1. Not all of BC's farming industry farm Atlantic. We also farm Chinook (king, Spring,) as well as Coho, Pink, Chum, Sockeye, ect. 2. The US. has intentionaly stocked milions of Atlantic salmon in their rivers on the west coast since the early 1900's for the purpose of sport fishing. No runs have ever started from this. Please tell us your problem with Atlanic salmon farming. 3. Yes I Farm salmon and am Proud Of It.

[Alaskrab]

@Folkboat11 99% of BC's farmed fish are Atlantics. You can't hide this. We know that they are cheaper to raise to maturity. Also, there are no farm raised Sockeye, period. For being a fish farmer you sure don't know much about your own industry. You shouldn't be proud of being a very small minority that 90% of British Columbians want to see disappear. Go to closed containment, and we would all be fine with it. But your industry is a joek and you're damaging our coastal waters.

[Folkboat11]

@Alaskrab Don't forget about our salmon enhancement programs. That is farming. They are fed pellets, and treated the same as farmed kept smolts. Only difference between Alaska and BC enhancement is we advertise our hatchery fish as hatchery fish. We do not hide behind a WILD lable.

[Folkboat11]

@Alaskrab The only thing you came close to getting right is 90%. That is salmon farming has a 90% and better survival rate compared to Alaska's 10% survival. The only thing that is being sustained from what you are doing up there in Alaska are the salmon predators. Say good bye to your wild stocks.

[Folkboat11]

According to SeaChoice, Alaska should be growing their Salmon in tanks on land to harvest size since Alaska is a salmon farming state. If this is not true, then there are double standards that SeaChoice is handing out to the public.

[Alaskrab]

Not sure why you want to see the destruction of a viable, wild, sustainable fishery, but you're beating your head against the wall. Your time would be better spent trying to out the Norweigans from BC.

[Folkboat11]

@Alaskrab Dont want to see the destruction of your Alaska fishery Alask. I would like it advertised properly. "41% chance this fish is farmed"

[Alaskrab]

None of those fish in those areas that I listed below are "hatchery based salmon" They are 100% wild and unaltered by man.

[Folkboat11]

The US government should have made this public information. Desguising Alaska salmon as wild seems like fraud to me. But as we know, if it isnt caught by the US it is an endangered species according to mba safe to eat leaflet.

[craigwbvc]

I do not support use of salmon hatcheries to augment the wild salmon catch, and agree that Alaska is fudging their "no farms" rule. But 70% of all Alaskan salmon are wild-borne.

No pesticides used on farms? Slice (emamectin benzoate) is a pesticide used on BC salmon farms to kill the sea lice they generate, which attack migrating salmon.

Emamectin benzoate is toxic to fish, birds, mammals, and aquatic invertebrates.

Salmon farming nearly wiped out Atlantic salmon. 'Nuff said.

[AlaskaRanchedSalmon]

'Nuff said?...nice try. How about using fact in your statements;

#1 - 40% of Alaska salmon were hatchery born in 2008 (State #'s)

#2 - because of #1, the Alaska hatchery program uses more fish meal than BC salmon farmers.

#3 - Emamectin Benzoate is classified as a drug, not pesticide. It's milled in the feed. You've confused this with the same drug that's applied to U.S. vegetables U.S.

#4 - Salmon farming didn't wipe out Atlantic salmon - fishing and habitat loss took care of that.

[SalmonSlayer1991]

#4 i agree but im sure that the salmon farms of the atlantic sure had an impact also where did you get your info (the state numbers)?

[AlaskaRanchedSalmon]

All the numbers were taken from the 2008 State (Alaska) report of salmon ranching/enhancement. It's on the web.

[Alaskrab]

Know your numbers and your areas. Those numbers are for pink salmon and for southeast Alaska and Prince William Sound. If you factor in the Gulf of Alaska region i.e. Kodiak Island, the Alaska Peninsula, Aleutians and Bristol Bay, you would clearly see the the number of "ranched fish" is much lower than total wild fish caught and processed. Also, the program uses wild stocks of fish. Also, I would like to know where you are from and what your qualifications are.

[SalmonSlayer1991]

did you know that their is not one single commercially sought after wild stalk of atlantic salmon left in the WORLD!

[AlaskaRanchedSalmon]

Actually there is "commercial" fisheries for wild Atlantic salmon - Scotland and Norway. Not a big fishery, but it still goes on.

[SalmonSlayer1991]

but thoses are all hatchery based salmon not wild

[AlaskaRanchedSalmon]

Dear Craigwbvc:

Response below your comment.

Thanks for interest in the subject!

The Truth About Alaska Salmon

[craigwbvc]

This is a distortion by salmon farmers that fudges the vast difference between industrial salmon farms, which raise fish in net pens and dose them with antiobiotics and pesticides. These farms generate tons of waste that drops to the ocean floor, and sea lice, which kill wild salmon fry that migrate past irresponsibly sited farms.

[AlaskaRanchedSalmon]

Dear craigwbvc;

You say, "distortion by salmon farmers"? I would suggest you just stick to the point of the video. The video simply shows that not all salmon from Alaska are wild and this (ranching) salmon production does have an impact that is ignored. Tough message for some (like you?) to handle, I know.

By the way, both Alaska ranching and salmon farming use antibiotics only if required, but both use them sparingly. Oh, and no pesticides are used in either ranching or farming.

[SalmonSlayer1991]

wheres your proof? im just curious how do i know those pictures were of alaska and not canada?

[livermore11]

You don't need proof. That's what a saltwater site looks like whether it's in Canada or Alaska or Norway for that matter. Whether it's ranching or farming. Which are two distinctly different practices.

[SalmonSlayer1991]

but my question was about the claim of the location i know the differances between salt fresh ranching and farming it says alaskas farmed salmon but the state has strict laws against it

[livermore11]

Thats just what they called it. And they were wrong, as far as assigning a title to the practice. What we do up here, in saltwater pens, is ocean ranching. A very different practice.

[SalmonSlayer1991]

ok question answerd :)

[AlaskaRanchedSalmon]

"A far different practice". Matter of opinion I would think. The only difference is: salmon farming contains the fish for it's entire lifecycle whereas salmon ranching releases them into the ocean to finish their latter growth.

[Folkboat11]

Thank you for the info and Exposing Suzuki. I saw his nature of things episode on farmed salmon years ago saying it could be the savior of wild salmon. Looks like money changed his mind. So sad to grow up to see this. He makes no sense to me now. What a hypocrit