My 2p: The US is capitalist, values free enterprise, has few welfare nets and so suffers high anxiety. The huge drive to gain monopolistic power over the marketplace has to reign in. So we have a flourishing of numerous religious enterprises (a new one sprouts every week) which are competative and very distrustful of central Gov. Americans tolerate this faith nonsense as it reduses anxiety and fulfils the role that the welfare state does (properly) in the other Western secular dems.
Religion is strong in the US because we have religious freedom, and therefore we have a lot of religious diversity. Since there is more diversity for natural selection to operate on, there are stronger strains that develop and flourish.
@juliocesar8923 North and South America are continents, but the United States of America is usually shortened to America. It guess it just depends on how you use it.
The consistent factor is social nets, the better your social net, health service etc, you have in a liberal democracy, the less religious influence you get.
This is a realism that atheists of the political right must accept.
@LouisPlume As an addendum, it appears "the wealth gap" ie the difference between the very rich and the very poor and the extent of the welfare state correlates with the religiosity in this way.. .the more equal the society ( in other words the more just the society), the less people looked for justice in the unknown future. surely religion is a social construct we would be better without?
They believed the story(bible) to be true, the leaders ie the preachers, ministers, pastors,.... you dont but the people who are making the money... are you guys serious? Please look at the Model Nonprofit Corporation Act, revision of 2008. Religious Organizations. If with history, and reading this doesnt make you so upset that you cant sleep, you by your own accounts are ... you are very good actors, or very ignorant.
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We should have no qualm about scorning the self deluded, irrational, parasitic religious. They deserve no respect, only ridicule, disdain, and contempt. There ridicules beliefs are 1st century ignorance and fear at its worst. It is of the utmost importance for the health of civilization to eradicate the god virus. With information so easily available being ignorant today is by choice.
Basically how do you keep people stupid, hateful and ignorant so they can be easily milked for their money and votes? You do it through religion and where are you likely to succeed? Where the majority is white and lives in rural areas and small towns and is basically ignorant and racist.
Why do religious people have so many children? I mean Muslim have like what 6-8 kids (I mean just look at France), Christens 4-5, Jews 4-6. I mean look at Atheist family’s 1-2 kids. I’m worried, how are we going to feed all of these people?
@KussVomTod Yeah muslims have like huge families. They invade Europe then have at least 4 children. It's a non violent invasion...and of course they bring their pedophile religion with them. Along with all the problems, crime female inferiority etc etc. I vote for the "racist" party because I don't want more immigration from the middle east. Not because I'm racist but because I'm a realist.
@Hermoor They are fighting a losing battle. The first generation of children born in Europe gives lip service to Islam. The second generation totally renounces all faith. It is already happenning . And most of the girls marry white guys. Thery will not conquer Europe by the back door, rest assured. Islam is like a fish out of water in Europe. ( and rotting)
@azzy314159 Not so sure about that, in america Islam is the most rapidly spreading religion. And in Europe new mosques are being built everyday. Only in places like Scandinavia and the highly educated people in germany/great britain it will dissapear. But let's face it they come over here poor, and most of them don't get a good enough education. Or they choose to ignore school...and become little gangsters instead. Most of them are uneducated muslims...and it will take awhile for them to disspea
@Hermoor Spread of Islam in the States is like the onetime fad for Buddhism. It is a passing phase. In Europe the first gen of immigrants clings to Islam like a limpet. Building mosques is a very visible symbol but there is trouble filling them with congragations. Islam is too primitive in its present form to survive in the West. I may sound like a fascist but the solution for Islam is to tell the muslims, " You will have the same rights here as the Christian minorities in Islamic countries"
I think it has more to do with how disfunctional society is. Southern europe is far more corrupt and disfunctional than say norway. Guess what? They're also more religious. New England states are far less disfunctional than southern US states, of course the New England states are far less religious. I'm sure the "strain" of religion has something to do with it, but then again, who would call catholics in Africa moderate?
@lulle103 I’m well aware that politics and conventions are at work here. However, regardless of the various continent models taught in different parts of the world, there is no such thing as a country named America, no matter how much some people insist on making this mistake. Even the name of the USA itself clearly acknowledges that it is part of the continent of America.
Because all the smart people stayed in Europe? *rimshot*
Heh, no seriously, America won't be a religious place for much longer. The young generation broadly doesn't give two shits about religion, so soon as those guys are old, America will be no more religious then western Europe. I think the battle in the US then will not be about religion but about capitalism vs. sustainable living. (Hint, the latter will win in the long run. (Well that or society'll implode due to shortages)
@TheSkunkCat I hope that's true about the young folk, but then again, think of all those "Jesus camp" kids. That is one gonna be one fucked-up generation. All home-schooled and indoctrinated into fanaticism from birth.
according to that PBS show 'colonial house' from a few years back, the religious freedom thing is a common misconception. the colonists were sent over by british investors to try to profit from reaping the land and trading with the natives.
The answer to the question is simple. They came over here for religious freedom, but what they meant was freedom for their religion only. Your forgeting that the Puritans ruled England under Cromwell after executing the English king. The Puritans outlawed the theater, and yes even canceled Christmas. After the dictatorship of Cromwell failed the Puritans were basically kicked out of England. They just wanted their own messed up little country again when they came here.
I'm a Christian, and I will continue to support the separation of church and state. Terry Harris is right, the government shouldn't be getting involved in religion.
My take: WE FOUGHT THE COLD WAR. That was pitted as a religious conflict between 'atheistic communism' and 'one nation under god' - you were told by your govenment that these manics were out to kill you in an instant at any time (fear factor, right?) So if you had doubts about religion you were quite likely to keep those doubts to yourself. So for the past fifty years, religion got a pass as we continued to progress in science and amass evidence against it. This was never publicly discussed.
Christians who are itching to tear down the wall of separation between church and state could be setting themselves up for terrible consequences in the long term. There's no guarantee that Christianity will always be in the majority. What will they do if they succeed in getting compulsory prayer back in the public schools, and then a majority of Americans become Muslim? How will they feel if their Christian grandchildren are told in school to kneel, face Meccah and pray to Allah?
The founding fathers were from a country in which religion and state were one and the same, where catholics and protestants took turns burning each other based on what faith the current monarch called the true religion.
However, there were also die-hard catholics and protestants and even more die-hard factions, like Quakers, who saw the Americas as a place to escape persecution of THEIR religion, where they could be as religious as they wanted.
Freedom Of and From religion was a beacon primarily to those who wanted freedom OF religion (since at this time, Atheism was not just a dirty word, it was a word that could get you executed). So Catholics who didnt want to be burned for being catholic, protestants who didnt want to be stoned for being protestant, Quakers who didnt want to be harassed for being EVEN MORE RELIGIOUS THAN CATHOLICS AND PROTESTANTS all flocked to the Americas to be just as religious as their hearts could handle.
religion in america is very big money... you think they want to give up the magical golden goose... not these home boys... money grubbing pole cats...
theists just wonder why atheists are talking about not believing in something. sure there are assholes that call atheists militant for just asking questions i agree.
This country is so religious because we are a secular nation.
Freedom of and from religion. You don't have to hold the state religion or go underground. We are not really more religious we just don't got to go underground.
Religion is so big in the United States because of the cold war. People are so much more easy to control when there is religion. It also helped when Stalin and the USSR were atheists. In otherwords, it was propaganda to create false nationalism.
@kissmyarse1541 what do you know? have you ever heard of South america???? that's also a continent there is Peru and other countrys :) hahaha so how are you gonna tell me that America is a Country? LMAO :)
@mastervictor123 It's evident that you don't know the difference between a continent and a country.,-------North America, the planet’s 3rd largest continent, includes (23) countries and dozens of possessions and territories. It contains all Caribbean and Central America countries, Canada, Mexico, the United States of America, as well as Greenland - the world’s largest island.
@kissmyarse1541 Dude that's what I mean. OK... America it's not the official name for the United States Of just read it right OOOOOOOOOOOOOFFFFFFFFFFFF AMERICAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA :P LMAO
I wouldn't really call the Church of England organised religion. Organised yes, religion.........not really. Cake sales yes, Catechism...not if it can be avoided.
@robertwc82 Norwegians speak English very well considering that it isn't our native language, but this guy has less accent than most. Also, people from Northern Norway have less accent than people from Southern Norway due to the Northern Norwegian dialect is closer to English sound-wise than the southern accents.
@Jostedalsosten its not that he was or wasnt speaking it well. i have no doubt most Norwegians (as well as many european countries) speak english well.
most of these countries that english is not the official national language speak english better than some english speaking countries like USA.
@robertwc82 Don't worry, I understood what you ment in your initial post =)
That is true that Europeans are getting very good at speaking English, but I'd say it's an exageration to say that we speak it better than certain English speakin countries =p
@Jostedalsosten perhaps it is. but among the working class the english language is pretty poorly spoken. i often have to dumb down my language so my co-workers can understand me
"i don't understand it, and i can't explain it." it's easy to understand and explain. they wanted to flee from THEIR religion being persecuted. they didn't give a fuck about the persecution of other religions.
The caller sounds like he has been autotuned - the voice has the artifacts of audio pitch changing, akin to compression artifacts in images, if not musical pitching.
1. early settlers though escape due to religious oppression are nonetheless still consider themselves Christians.
2. Mcarthyism forces people to make the obvious choice to be religious. It the best way for immigrant to not get harrased and get a smooth path to living in America.
3. Capitalism, wealth, abundance and big growing economy resulted in religion gettting most of the lion share of power and money. Couple that with religion's doctrines is becomes so formidable and irresistable.
I would love to know how the people who run polls get their numbers. Ive heard that the US is 98% religious and to that i say BULL. No one I know is religious and no one has ever asked me the question as part of a nationwide poll. And i guarantee nobody reading this from the US has ever been asked either. Their numbers come from thin air. If you ask me the US is 50/50 on religion. If the US is 98% religious then i must live in the area with the other 2% lol.
@Props2u I am one of the only nonreligious people I know. My entire family and community is religious, as in, they have a religious belief. I can think of only one other person that I've ever actually met that was atheist. I agree that 98% is too high... but ya... there are still highly religious cultures and areas in the US.
I can actually explain this to Tracie. Many of the first settlers, chiefly the Puritans, were not necessarily drawn here to practice religious freedom in general, but just freedom to practice their particular brand of it--not necessarily to tolerate this same freedom with anyone else. The open spaces, largely ungoverned, meant that they wouldn't have to tolerate anyone outside their religion. When other groups did arrive with the same goal, that was a problem.
Interesting points here .... I imagine that the anglicans , etc, would be a little disappointed if the US became an evangelical government ... even if they voted for it. They just wouldn't realize that they aren't the same religion as each other despite calling theer figurehead by the same name.
the colonists didn't see anything wrong with telling people how to worship, they just didn't agree with how they were being told to worship back in Europe. So they came to America to tell people how to worship the way they thought was correct. They were not able to see anything wrong with this because so many people were brainwashed by religious thinking.
I've also often wondered how America got so religious, they used to lead the world in many areas that required intelligence and religion and intelligence don't go together at all.
I suspect HoleDweller is on the right track. Power structures scared the "flocks" (what a giveaway that term is!) into supporting the clergy.
All major religions start with fear, fear of death, fear of Hell, fear of almighty retribution, it's the main tool for crowd control. Where do you think terrorism came from?
@Livercool92 i agree and in my opinion, all does who are christians or catholics, are commiting a felony, once they choose to believe in such lie, they are no longer inocent people, but criminals of the nation, and for that reason we should rip them appart and nail their mothers in two pieces of wood and then call them jesus christ
I think they are completely missing something crucial in their responses, the Red Scare. It seems to me that much of the war on communism was a holy war that created an atmosphere of religious hostility. Basically, anyone that would claim to be an atheist, would be labeled a communist.
If someone has better info on this subject, I would love to hear a response or see a video.
@HoleDweller They do bring that point up in a couple vids that mention how god got onto money and in the pledge of allegiance. And it came up when they talked about the negative connotation that became attached to atheism, unfortunately I do not remember the youtube labels for those episodes. I wondered myself about the link between capitalism and Christianity, but from watching the PBS bible special, it seems to go way back to early Judaism. I think that link is biggest connection.
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Our government and economy reflect puritanical beliefs. Those beliefs have been here since Columbus. Religion helped form our systems and reinforces them. Our religious culture is just a reflection of our national identity.
Our nation is not THAT religious... it's just that the religious idiots are so LOUD! But the point about the insane Pilgrims/Puritans is also good. Dawkins once said "American Religion had become a sort of free enterprise (self employment) - sorta like being a crack dealer in the 80s. Anyone could do it by mastering a few skills & having the basic materials. You go from dirt poor to middle class in a year or two.
TO ALL AMERICAN ATHEIST: Silent protest... all you paper currency.. use a sharpie and just cross out where it says GOD on all bills... (this is not defacing per US laws)
Well.. technically it is defacing currency, and an establishment could refuse to except it as legal tender. Good idea though... nice amount of creativity.
Don't do it if you need to move the currency into a bank (this includes ATMs!); they might pitch a fit about your handing in a bunch of ruined bills together. I'd use it at self-check out stores, in vending machines, and for small, everyday transactions. I'd also avoid marking bigger bills (starting at $100?), since whoever you hand those to might get grumpy if the bills come back undepositable or are flagged at their next stop. Make it neat, too - three sharpie dots gets the point across.
hasnt silence gone on long enough? now there are 16-20% of the people in this country that dont affiliate themselves with a religion. atheists/agnostics have had their voices dimmed for too long now, and i think its time to speak out. We shouldnt worry about offending people, because even saying "jesus christ is not god" is blasphemy, so why not just take it all the way and start telling people how we REALLY feel about religion and intelligent design.
@Chaostiger357 I think the defacing law takes effect when there is an intent to make it unfit for reissue. Striking out GOD should not make it unfit, thus I find your claim to be accurate.
@FOOFlGHTERS Well remember, it would be a return in the US to the original constitution and pledge. This reference to God was added in the 20th century, and it's a breach of the separation of church and state.
And to dinehope, I've played more than one cancer benefit show in my metal band heyday. In fact, there are a couple of kids wearing my hair as wigs while they go through chemotherapy, and I'm going to rott in the ground when I die. No everlasting life of bliss, or torture. Get off of your cross and love everyone. Peace, Love and Rush(the band).
The only one-way walls I've seen are in interrogation rooms on over-hyped police dramas, I highly doubt that was the intention of the founding fathers, no matter who is on either side of the wall, be them government or religion. Peace, Love and Rush(the band, not the overweight, zealous, racist)
What would be the point in telling cancer patients that there is no god... In fact what's the point in preeching god to cancer patients?
They should be helped not told fairy tales. What good is sharing lies going to do?
Atheist sermons? Lmao!!! While you were at your "sermons" Atheists were the guys trying to rebuild and actually helping each other.. not bowing to a fairy tale god.
Atheism is evolution, realistic, grown up, free thinking.
There is a lot of content on both catholics and puritans in regards to the first english settlers. History has never been one of my best subjects. At some point, I need to put some time to the side to do some good old research. I will definitely look into both the catholics and the puritans. Thanks.
In terms of Eastern religions, not indigenous to the Western Hemisphere, then it might have been Taoism or Buddhism since the Chinese explored the West years before the Spanish.
But I digress, the Norsemen came as well but of course, the majority of them were pagans nor did they receive a majority of credit because they didn't leave great markers of their travels.
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I wonder if Atheists are so convinced there is no God, why do they waste their time and energy with these videos? It's absurd! If you really don't believe in God, then He wouldn't be your daily subject of discussion. For example, I don't believe in being a sports fan. Wouldn't it be ridiculous if I made a whole series of videos about how baseball fans are fools (not that they are)?
the issue is one of privacy and influence. For example, as long as the man in the gold palace with the funny hat is able to get coverage on CNN, and as long as gay marriage is an issue, and as long as stem cell research is disputed in legislative bodies its our business too. Simple.
the difference is religious people affect many atheists lives-they want religious alternatives being taught over science in schools and religious buildings produce a large amount of wealth and dont even get taxed. In Europe many laws (such as sharia law) are trying to get introduced and these laws will have a big impac on the way people live. Atheists put effort into these videos because of a lot of things concerning how religion affects them in day to day lives
Sports fans do not go out of their way to change the meaning of science. Nor, do they place singular or, multiple huge buildings on large parcels every mile or, so and make enormous amounts of money as a non-profit. Nor do they state that all non-fans will burn for eternity. Nor, do they run their planes into our buildings for religious purposes. Nor, do they penetrate our music, speeches to the masses with inserts of their god(s). Nor, do they state moral superiority over all non-sport fans.
i wouldnt say i am a atheist, but i dont beleive in any god defined by religion im not sure that god is even a being or concheince. maybe god is nature maybe god is the concencness of man. the point is that you actually think about it instead of relying on faith. faith is just a nice way of saying gulible.
That is the definition given by religions. to an atheist the definition is meaningless and to different religions the definition is obviously arbitrary. if you dont like the term god being used substitute it.
Why? Because unlike sports fans, religious zealots want nothing more than to control the lives of everyone else around them, to force their religion onto everyone, to make our laws match the barbaric laws in their books, and to indoctrinate our children to be afraid of an imaginary place of eternal torture, to be ashamed to be human, and to not trust the very science which has given us our current standard of living. How many sports fans do all of that?
Sure, some sports fans may at times be irrational at times, may look down at non-sports fans, and sometimes even get violent, but when's the last time a sports fan wanted to make sports rules into common law? When's the last time a sports fan coerced somebody under threat of eternal torture to like a particular team? When's the last time sports was used as an excuse to invade a foreign country? When's the last time a sports fan demanded the death of all non-sports fans and fans of other sports?
it's a shame that religious people aren't MORE like sports fans because then there wouldn't be any reason to fight against the menace of religious dogma and perhaps we could concentrate on other things. But so long as absolutist dogmatism exists (and that includes not only religious dogmatism but also political and nationalistic dogmatism as well), we cannot rest for the next time we wake up it could be in a brutal, repressive regime.
"it's a shame that religious people aren't MORE like sports fans "
I love this, it's a great idea. How about, rather than having wars and strapping on bombs etc to prove who's prophet/god/idol is the best, just play a series of games and events, where fans pray for victory and whatnot. The God Olympics.
That way, whoever wins wins - no crying. Players can juice up and everything! If you cry foul, you've admitted the fallibility of your own god.
ahh i was coerced to like a team for a minute XD..
But your analogy shows the similarities between a god fanatic and a sport fanatic. No one can tell sports fanatic that their team suck, same with zealots- there are times when diff sport teams fight each other for which one is better, same! ahhhh thts great :D
I'm an atheist and these dicussions arn't my everyday discussions... it's just nice to know you're smarter than the rest of the world sometimes. Here's my reason for talking about a god when i don't believe in it. If most of the people around you had a rock. They believed this rock was concious and could talk, they talked to this rock all the time and wasted time and money feeding it special food, you would try and stop them... would you not?Especially if these people were leading the government
Maybe it is because Americans are descended from the religious people who braved the sea and wilderness to establish God's kingdom on earth. They also came to the US to isolate themselves and their children from other religions.
Is the US really more religious? I know that people SAY theyre religious, but Except for the Amish villages, all I see is a bunch of hypocrisy. Religion in the US has been on the decline since the 60s. Fundamentals are just louder.
Excellent posts about education. Even among the religious, people cherry-pick the Bible and dont really know 90% of it.
If Americans were better educated or had a better interest in education, it probably wouldn't be so religious. I had to take it upon myself to get an education. It's shameful.
You are right about the reality of religion organizing into theocratic social control, but I was referring more to an ideal concept of religion, as exemplified in the Sermon on the Mount, which no doubt requires some type of evolution of mankind beyond our present state. I believe we were headed that way for a while but the industrial revolution, feeding on ideas that came out of the 'Enlightenment' (Europe), sidetracked it, and has remained in a primitive stage in the West. Avarice trumped it.
By all rights we should be among the least truly religious people on the planet, due to the materialist bourgeois worship of money.The logical outcome of extreme, unregulated, individualist -minded capitalism is for the privileged few to become obscenely wealthy, and the masses eventually reduced to abject poverty. True religion is about social concern for the welfare of others, the truly religious state would be a social organization of everyone looking out for the best interests of others.
America is a continent.
lhommealenvers 3 days ago
lol, go back to school, and looking for a map, its only 5 continents
america
europe
asia
africa
oceania
USA is the most hated country in the world, yes sir.
juliocesar8923 2 weeks ago
The persecuted end up becoming persecutors when they fail to learn from their history.
Akira625 3 weeks ago
The US also allowed religion to become big business.
ChipArgyle 1 month ago
My 2p: The US is capitalist, values free enterprise, has few welfare nets and so suffers high anxiety. The huge drive to gain monopolistic power over the marketplace has to reign in. So we have a flourishing of numerous religious enterprises (a new one sprouts every week) which are competative and very distrustful of central Gov. Americans tolerate this faith nonsense as it reduses anxiety and fulfils the role that the welfare state does (properly) in the other Western secular dems.
aardvarkcustard 1 month ago
@1:07, Massive Windows XP error, LOL
JjXuxinho 2 months ago
Religion is strong in the US because we have religious freedom, and therefore we have a lot of religious diversity. Since there is more diversity for natural selection to operate on, there are stronger strains that develop and flourish.
dlbattle100 2 months ago
You call America religous? Come on seriously?? LoL
207112351 3 months ago
wait a second.. america is a country??? come on..
a kid 5 years old.,or a retard. know america is a fucking continent..
the tittle of this video.. is wrong..
Im aproud to be atheist..
juliocesar8923 3 months ago
@juliocesar8923 Country ( noun) a nation with it's own government, occupying a particular
territory. Source : a dictionary.
bull1arab 1 month ago
@juliocesar8923 North and South America are continents, but the United States of America is usually shortened to America. It guess it just depends on how you use it.
Tooopper 2 weeks ago
The Christian cult is slowly dying out in the United States.
Good riddance.
ndrthrdr1 5 months ago 2
The consistent factor is social nets, the better your social net, health service etc, you have in a liberal democracy, the less religious influence you get.
This is a realism that atheists of the political right must accept.
LouisPlume 5 months ago
@LouisPlume As an addendum, it appears "the wealth gap" ie the difference between the very rich and the very poor and the extent of the welfare state correlates with the religiosity in this way.. .the more equal the society ( in other words the more just the society), the less people looked for justice in the unknown future. surely religion is a social construct we would be better without?
1empathy 4 months ago
Because they found out it is a business.
They believed the story(bible) to be true, the leaders ie the preachers, ministers, pastors,.... you dont but the people who are making the money... are you guys serious? Please look at the Model Nonprofit Corporation Act, revision of 2008. Religious Organizations. If with history, and reading this doesnt make you so upset that you cant sleep, you by your own accounts are ... you are very good actors, or very ignorant.
MrVaughnEric 5 months ago
@ Calvinism
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We should have no qualm about scorning the self deluded, irrational, parasitic religious. They deserve no respect, only ridicule, disdain, and contempt. There ridicules beliefs are 1st century ignorance and fear at its worst. It is of the utmost importance for the health of civilization to eradicate the god virus. With information so easily available being ignorant today is by choice.
scotttebben 7 months ago
Basically how do you keep people stupid, hateful and ignorant so they can be easily milked for their money and votes? You do it through religion and where are you likely to succeed? Where the majority is white and lives in rural areas and small towns and is basically ignorant and racist.
GODandPEACE 7 months ago
Hmmm...... The first Flag of the United States, the eye in the sky with bright sun shine.
nabeelmerchant 7 months ago
Why do religious people have so many children? I mean Muslim have like what 6-8 kids (I mean just look at France), Christens 4-5, Jews 4-6. I mean look at Atheist family’s 1-2 kids. I’m worried, how are we going to feed all of these people?
KussVomTod 8 months ago
@KussVomTod Natural selection will do the job without evolution.
nabeelmerchant 7 months ago
@KussVomTod Yeah muslims have like huge families. They invade Europe then have at least 4 children. It's a non violent invasion...and of course they bring their pedophile religion with them. Along with all the problems, crime female inferiority etc etc. I vote for the "racist" party because I don't want more immigration from the middle east. Not because I'm racist but because I'm a realist.
Hermoor 6 months ago
@Hermoor They are fighting a losing battle. The first generation of children born in Europe gives lip service to Islam. The second generation totally renounces all faith. It is already happenning . And most of the girls marry white guys. Thery will not conquer Europe by the back door, rest assured. Islam is like a fish out of water in Europe. ( and rotting)
azzy314159 6 months ago
@azzy314159 Not so sure about that, in america Islam is the most rapidly spreading religion. And in Europe new mosques are being built everyday. Only in places like Scandinavia and the highly educated people in germany/great britain it will dissapear. But let's face it they come over here poor, and most of them don't get a good enough education. Or they choose to ignore school...and become little gangsters instead. Most of them are uneducated muslims...and it will take awhile for them to disspea
Hermoor 6 months ago
@Hermoor Spread of Islam in the States is like the onetime fad for Buddhism. It is a passing phase. In Europe the first gen of immigrants clings to Islam like a limpet. Building mosques is a very visible symbol but there is trouble filling them with congragations. Islam is too primitive in its present form to survive in the West. I may sound like a fascist but the solution for Islam is to tell the muslims, " You will have the same rights here as the Christian minorities in Islamic countries"
azzy314159 6 months ago
@azzy314159 I really hope your right. Time will tell.
spareaxe 6 months ago
I think it has more to do with how disfunctional society is. Southern europe is far more corrupt and disfunctional than say norway. Guess what? They're also more religious. New England states are far less disfunctional than southern US states, of course the New England states are far less religious. I'm sure the "strain" of religion has something to do with it, but then again, who would call catholics in Africa moderate?
Newenlightenmentnow 8 months ago
I think it's because of the incredibly low standard of public education in America.
OrthodoxDarwinist 8 months ago
"Why is America such a religious country?" America is NOT a country; it's a continent.
CaciqueUrraca 9 months ago
@CaciqueUrraca "America" is two continents.
lulle103 8 months ago
@lulle103 I’m well aware that politics and conventions are at work here. However, regardless of the various continent models taught in different parts of the world, there is no such thing as a country named America, no matter how much some people insist on making this mistake. Even the name of the USA itself clearly acknowledges that it is part of the continent of America.
Regards,
CaciqueUrraca 8 months ago
@CaciqueUrraca Do you think maybe, just maybe, he means the United States?
SandBarAndYou 7 months ago
@SandBarAndYou Oh, really? I never would’ve guessed that! See? I can be sarcastic too. ^_^
I don’t mean to be rude but, unlike the title of this video, there is nothing ambiguous about my previous comments.
CaciqueUrraca 7 months ago
Because all the smart people stayed in Europe? *rimshot*
Heh, no seriously, America won't be a religious place for much longer. The young generation broadly doesn't give two shits about religion, so soon as those guys are old, America will be no more religious then western Europe. I think the battle in the US then will not be about religion but about capitalism vs. sustainable living. (Hint, the latter will win in the long run. (Well that or society'll implode due to shortages)
TheSkunkCat 11 months ago
@TheSkunkCat I hope that's true about the young folk, but then again, think of all those "Jesus camp" kids. That is one gonna be one fucked-up generation. All home-schooled and indoctrinated into fanaticism from birth.
blackmichael75 10 months ago
Ill tell you why America is religious.....
-america was founded on Christianity
-America is open to all forms of religions
-As the colonies began to form, more and more immigrants came with their religions, so it make since that it would live on ttil today
-Almost all current events that are happening in the world were foretold in the bible
- thats just a small taste of the reasons why America is religious
- Im down for an argument :)
- oh ya.... its never too late to be saved
whitepride603 11 months ago
@whitepride603
- America wasn't founded on Christianity; we were founded as a secular nation
- True; this is because we are secular
- Britain used to be highly religious; today . . . not so much
- A stopped clock will be right twice a day
- This is my rebuttal
- You got one
- Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
coltharpnicholas 11 months ago 3
666 th like! :D
Yahweigh 1 year ago
Fuck racism. Fuck religion. Fuck America.
MrJizzinator 1 year ago
@MrJizzinator And FUCK those damn Saltines packages that don't open right!
SandBarAndYou 7 months ago
Because America sucks? I mean, we're fighting ultra-religous Muslims in Afgahnistahn.
Racism and religion haven't died down. And we're making it worse. That's why I gave up on the United States.
MrJizzinator 1 year ago 2
Cause we were founded by a bunch of !#$%@!^ Italians.
Lloydlicious 1 year ago
according to that PBS show 'colonial house' from a few years back, the religious freedom thing is a common misconception. the colonists were sent over by british investors to try to profit from reaping the land and trading with the natives.
todtubetod 1 year ago
@todtubetod The Jamestown settlers (and many more after them) were. The Pilgrims, though, were definitely seeking to escape persecution.
coltharpnicholas 11 months ago
The answer to the question is simple. They came over here for religious freedom, but what they meant was freedom for their religion only. Your forgeting that the Puritans ruled England under Cromwell after executing the English king. The Puritans outlawed the theater, and yes even canceled Christmas. After the dictatorship of Cromwell failed the Puritans were basically kicked out of England. They just wanted their own messed up little country again when they came here.
sabermovie 1 year ago
I'm a Christian, and I will continue to support the separation of church and state. Terry Harris is right, the government shouldn't be getting involved in religion.
JoeysBabies1980 1 year ago
I am an atheist and I am going into politics.
If I run for president, would you vote for me knowing I am an atheist?
TheRadicalRyushin 1 year ago
@TheRadicalRyushin
i would if i was a US citizen))))
anarchist624 1 year ago
If I create a position called "World President" and ran for it, would you vote for me?
TheRadicalRyushin 1 year ago
@TheRadicalRyushin People should vote for somebody based on what he believes in, not on what he doesn't believe in.
Zendrig 11 months ago
My take: WE FOUGHT THE COLD WAR. That was pitted as a religious conflict between 'atheistic communism' and 'one nation under god' - you were told by your govenment that these manics were out to kill you in an instant at any time (fear factor, right?) So if you had doubts about religion you were quite likely to keep those doubts to yourself. So for the past fifty years, religion got a pass as we continued to progress in science and amass evidence against it. This was never publicly discussed.
sieracki001 1 year ago
Christians who are itching to tear down the wall of separation between church and state could be setting themselves up for terrible consequences in the long term. There's no guarantee that Christianity will always be in the majority. What will they do if they succeed in getting compulsory prayer back in the public schools, and then a majority of Americans become Muslim? How will they feel if their Christian grandchildren are told in school to kneel, face Meccah and pray to Allah?
DandAinTac 1 year ago
Well, the answer here is actually quite simple.
The founding fathers were from a country in which religion and state were one and the same, where catholics and protestants took turns burning each other based on what faith the current monarch called the true religion.
However, there were also die-hard catholics and protestants and even more die-hard factions, like Quakers, who saw the Americas as a place to escape persecution of THEIR religion, where they could be as religious as they wanted.
Etimos 1 year ago
Freedom Of and From religion was a beacon primarily to those who wanted freedom OF religion (since at this time, Atheism was not just a dirty word, it was a word that could get you executed). So Catholics who didnt want to be burned for being catholic, protestants who didnt want to be stoned for being protestant, Quakers who didnt want to be harassed for being EVEN MORE RELIGIOUS THAN CATHOLICS AND PROTESTANTS all flocked to the Americas to be just as religious as their hearts could handle.
Etimos 1 year ago
religion in america is very big money... you think they want to give up the magical golden goose... not these home boys... money grubbing pole cats...
lentmain 1 year ago
Religion is a virus and it spreads. Atheism is the cure.
squallz13 1 year ago 16
@squallz13 Interesting. Keep watching!
Wildcard120 1 year ago
@squallz13 Rational thinking is the cure, and it leads to atheism.
Anarchy17SB 2 months ago
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One nation UNDER God.
jada7770 1 year ago
theists just wonder why atheists are talking about not believing in something. sure there are assholes that call atheists militant for just asking questions i agree.
MirageScience 1 year ago
This country is so religious because we are a secular nation.
Freedom of and from religion. You don't have to hold the state religion or go underground. We are not really more religious we just don't got to go underground.
MirageScience 1 year ago
@MirageScience A good point. Keep watching!
Wildcard120 1 year ago
Religion is so big in the United States because of the cold war. People are so much more easy to control when there is religion. It also helped when Stalin and the USSR were atheists. In otherwords, it was propaganda to create false nationalism.
StL33T 1 year ago
Why is the US so religious?
Because we are stupid.
Why are we so stupid?
Because we are so religious.
DemonZonkey 1 year ago 48
@DemonZonkey nice circular reasoning. xD
MirageScience 1 year ago
@DemonZonkey thank you. the tittle is super wrong. America is a Continent not a Country.
mastervictor123 7 months ago
@mastervictor123 Actually America is a country, North America is a continent
kissmyarse1541 5 months ago
@kissmyarse1541 what do you know? have you ever heard of South america???? that's also a continent there is Peru and other countrys :) hahaha so how are you gonna tell me that America is a Country? LMAO :)
mastervictor123 5 months ago
@mastervictor123 It's evident that you don't know the difference between a continent and a country.,-------North America, the planet’s 3rd largest continent, includes (23) countries and dozens of possessions and territories. It contains all Caribbean and Central America countries, Canada, Mexico, the United States of America, as well as Greenland - the world’s largest island.
kissmyarse1541 5 months ago 3
@kissmyarse1541 Dude that's what I mean. OK... America it's not the official name for the United States Of just read it right OOOOOOOOOOOOOFFFFFFFFFFFF AMERICAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA :P LMAO
mastervictor123 5 months ago
@DemonZonkey Circular reasoning... or is it just a negative feedback loop?
boochainletters12 2 months ago
I wouldn't really call the Church of England organised religion. Organised yes, religion.........not really. Cake sales yes, Catechism...not if it can be avoided.
ketsan 1 year ago
is that a Norwegebn accent? it sounds like half the sentance isa an american accent then changes slightly at the end of the sentence.
maybe he just pronounces english words really good
robertwc82 1 year ago
@robertwc82 "maybe he just pronounces english words really good" yeah sometimes they just try real hard to nail the accent.
BillKiernan 1 year ago
@robertwc82 Norwegians speak English very well considering that it isn't our native language, but this guy has less accent than most. Also, people from Northern Norway have less accent than people from Southern Norway due to the Northern Norwegian dialect is closer to English sound-wise than the southern accents.
Jostedalsosten 1 year ago
@Jostedalsosten its not that he was or wasnt speaking it well. i have no doubt most Norwegians (as well as many european countries) speak english well.
most of these countries that english is not the official national language speak english better than some english speaking countries like USA.
=D
robertwc82 1 year ago
@robertwc82 Don't worry, I understood what you ment in your initial post =)
That is true that Europeans are getting very good at speaking English, but I'd say it's an exageration to say that we speak it better than certain English speakin countries =p
Jostedalsosten 1 year ago
@Jostedalsosten perhaps it is. but among the working class the english language is pretty poorly spoken. i often have to dumb down my language so my co-workers can understand me
robertwc82 1 year ago
@Jostedalsosten .......my peers that is. people over 40 years old have a braoder vocabulary
robertwc82 1 year ago
Oh it's far simpler why America is so religious. It doesn't have to do with the colonists.
It's because one Ronald Reagan made a deal with one Jerry Falwell, leading to the rise of the religious right as a big voting block.
And the fundies haven't been booted out of power yet because no one has the balls to stand up to them in politics at the moment.
I bet if someone did they actually would win by a landslide, I think the fundies are a loud minority that everyone else hates.
Shavarnarak 1 year ago
@Shavarnarak
I mean seriously... prior to the eighties, REPUBLICANS where pro-abortion rights.
This mass religiosity is relatively new.
Shavarnarak 1 year ago
Because the Americans are the lost tribe of Isreal so religion followed them.
blarson12 1 year ago
"i don't understand it, and i can't explain it." it's easy to understand and explain. they wanted to flee from THEIR religion being persecuted. they didn't give a fuck about the persecution of other religions.
BillKiernan 1 year ago 3
@BillKiernan That's exactly what I thought when she was saying that.
bttrflykiss7701 1 year ago
@bttrflykiss7701 yeah she's usually pretty sharp i was wondering how that could be such a mystery to her.
BillKiernan 1 year ago
I support separation of church and state.
moonshineinsummer1 1 year ago 2
The caller sounds like he has been autotuned - the voice has the artifacts of audio pitch changing, akin to compression artifacts in images, if not musical pitching.
1RadicalOne 1 year ago
1. early settlers though escape due to religious oppression are nonetheless still consider themselves Christians.
2. Mcarthyism forces people to make the obvious choice to be religious. It the best way for immigrant to not get harrased and get a smooth path to living in America.
3. Capitalism, wealth, abundance and big growing economy resulted in religion gettting most of the lion share of power and money. Couple that with religion's doctrines is becomes so formidable and irresistable.
sgpquek 1 year ago
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sgpquek 1 year ago
I would love to know how the people who run polls get their numbers. Ive heard that the US is 98% religious and to that i say BULL. No one I know is religious and no one has ever asked me the question as part of a nationwide poll. And i guarantee nobody reading this from the US has ever been asked either. Their numbers come from thin air. If you ask me the US is 50/50 on religion. If the US is 98% religious then i must live in the area with the other 2% lol.
Props2u 1 year ago
@Props2u I am one of the only nonreligious people I know. My entire family and community is religious, as in, they have a religious belief. I can think of only one other person that I've ever actually met that was atheist. I agree that 98% is too high... but ya... there are still highly religious cultures and areas in the US.
bttrflykiss7701 1 year ago
I love how smiley Tracie is.
Neanderthalcouzin 1 year ago
I can actually explain this to Tracie. Many of the first settlers, chiefly the Puritans, were not necessarily drawn here to practice religious freedom in general, but just freedom to practice their particular brand of it--not necessarily to tolerate this same freedom with anyone else. The open spaces, largely ungoverned, meant that they wouldn't have to tolerate anyone outside their religion. When other groups did arrive with the same goal, that was a problem.
DandAinTac 1 year ago
Religion is a sickness. Get well America, Get well real soon!
Allanfries 1 year ago 4
@Allanfries I do hope so
ichleibemeinenvr6 1 year ago
Interesting points here .... I imagine that the anglicans , etc, would be a little disappointed if the US became an evangelical government ... even if they voted for it. They just wouldn't realize that they aren't the same religion as each other despite calling theer figurehead by the same name.
Redbeardian 1 year ago
Am i the only one who thinks tracy is really sexy?
AgrivatedKillah 1 year ago
@AgrivatedKillah no ;)
Neanderthalcouzin 1 year ago
6 people dislike this video out and 620 like it, rofl.
JohnF30Music 1 year ago
Why Is America Such A Religious Country? I'll answer that with one word CONTROL.
ChristiamsAyala 1 year ago
the guy on the phone sounds like Microsoft Sam
DefenitionBlack 1 year ago
In order to have freedom OF religion, it is required to have freedom FROM religion.
TheUnblinkingEar 1 year ago 10
the colonists didn't see anything wrong with telling people how to worship, they just didn't agree with how they were being told to worship back in Europe. So they came to America to tell people how to worship the way they thought was correct. They were not able to see anything wrong with this because so many people were brainwashed by religious thinking.
ndyt 1 year ago
I've also often wondered how America got so religious, they used to lead the world in many areas that required intelligence and religion and intelligence don't go together at all.
I suspect HoleDweller is on the right track. Power structures scared the "flocks" (what a giveaway that term is!) into supporting the clergy.
All major religions start with fear, fear of death, fear of Hell, fear of almighty retribution, it's the main tool for crowd control. Where do you think terrorism came from?
warren52nz 2 years ago
America is religious because they are all fat dumb ugly arrogant and very very gullibly and easily lead.
Livercool92 2 years ago 2
@Livercool92 hey we are not all ugly.
yeahh... speaking as one of the few open minded natives of the bible belt, as far as science goes, we are terrible.
wimpylassiter2336 1 year ago
@Livercool92 i agree and in my opinion, all does who are christians or catholics, are commiting a felony, once they choose to believe in such lie, they are no longer inocent people, but criminals of the nation, and for that reason we should rip them appart and nail their mothers in two pieces of wood and then call them jesus christ
thebloddyzorrow 1 year ago
Man, at 3:53, it looks like I did something to piss Russel off and he glared at me right through my computer screen.
jimbrown257 2 years ago
I think they are completely missing something crucial in their responses, the Red Scare. It seems to me that much of the war on communism was a holy war that created an atmosphere of religious hostility. Basically, anyone that would claim to be an atheist, would be labeled a communist.
If someone has better info on this subject, I would love to hear a response or see a video.
HoleDweller 2 years ago 10
@HoleDweller They do bring that point up in a couple vids that mention how god got onto money and in the pledge of allegiance. And it came up when they talked about the negative connotation that became attached to atheism, unfortunately I do not remember the youtube labels for those episodes. I wondered myself about the link between capitalism and Christianity, but from watching the PBS bible special, it seems to go way back to early Judaism. I think that link is biggest connection.
l337pwnage 2 years ago
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Our government and economy reflect puritanical beliefs. Those beliefs have been here since Columbus. Religion helped form our systems and reinforces them. Our religious culture is just a reflection of our national identity.
jafo4you 2 years ago
if thats what you believe then its no wonder why the rest of the world thinks americans are stupid and gullible.
696codeman 2 years ago 3
Our nation is not THAT religious... it's just that the religious idiots are so LOUD! But the point about the insane Pilgrims/Puritans is also good. Dawkins once said "American Religion had become a sort of free enterprise (self employment) - sorta like being a crack dealer in the 80s. Anyone could do it by mastering a few skills & having the basic materials. You go from dirt poor to middle class in a year or two.
Corporations8MyBaby 2 years ago 4
TO ALL AMERICAN ATHEIST: Silent protest... all you paper currency.. use a sharpie and just cross out where it says GOD on all bills... (this is not defacing per US laws)
Chaostiger357 2 years ago 104
Well.. technically it is defacing currency, and an establishment could refuse to except it as legal tender. Good idea though... nice amount of creativity.
naejimba 2 years ago
Don't do it if you need to move the currency into a bank (this includes ATMs!); they might pitch a fit about your handing in a bunch of ruined bills together. I'd use it at self-check out stores, in vending machines, and for small, everyday transactions. I'd also avoid marking bigger bills (starting at $100?), since whoever you hand those to might get grumpy if the bills come back undepositable or are flagged at their next stop. Make it neat, too - three sharpie dots gets the point across.
deadacc39322 2 years ago
hasnt silence gone on long enough? now there are 16-20% of the people in this country that dont affiliate themselves with a religion. atheists/agnostics have had their voices dimmed for too long now, and i think its time to speak out. We shouldnt worry about offending people, because even saying "jesus christ is not god" is blasphemy, so why not just take it all the way and start telling people how we REALLY feel about religion and intelligent design.
mspoden2011 2 years ago
@Chaostiger357
Thats a brilliant idea that I never thought of!!
Ramshobraja 2 years ago
@Chaostiger357 I think the defacing law takes effect when there is an intent to make it unfit for reissue. Striking out GOD should not make it unfit, thus I find your claim to be accurate.
lgbuzals 1 year ago
@Chaostiger357 Nice! I'd never thought of that!
bttrflykiss7701 1 year ago
@Chaostiger357
That's hard to do with all the paper I gots, yo.
Roland1232 1 year ago
@Chaostiger357 Cross out "In God we trust"? WHY? What would we achieve doing that? it would make Atheists look like pedantic lunatics.
FOOFlGHTERS 1 year ago
@FOOFlGHTERS Well remember, it would be a return in the US to the original constitution and pledge. This reference to God was added in the 20th century, and it's a breach of the separation of church and state.
KMallinson 1 year ago
@Chaostiger357
OR everyone can just start doing as the constitution states as it was ment to be when this nation was founded.
NUTCASE71733 11 months ago
Any body recognise the song?
mstk1 2 years ago
It's Billy Squier's "In The Dark".
debbieomi 2 years ago
A bit of strange suggestion: Add the name of the song for every video. I would be nice because you guys have a good taste in music.
chestbuster1987 2 years ago
And to dinehope, I've played more than one cancer benefit show in my metal band heyday. In fact, there are a couple of kids wearing my hair as wigs while they go through chemotherapy, and I'm going to rott in the ground when I die. No everlasting life of bliss, or torture. Get off of your cross and love everyone. Peace, Love and Rush(the band).
TomorrowsTomSawyer 2 years ago 4
"Get off your fuckin cross. we need this fuckin space, to nail the next fool martyr!" just thought I'd finish the TOOL reference for ya.
p.s. Nice screen name. I like YYZ myself.
exconguitar 2 years ago
The only one-way walls I've seen are in interrogation rooms on over-hyped police dramas, I highly doubt that was the intention of the founding fathers, no matter who is on either side of the wall, be them government or religion. Peace, Love and Rush(the band, not the overweight, zealous, racist)
TomorrowsTomSawyer 2 years ago
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Why don't these atheists walk the cancer hospitals sharing their "freedom" from religion?
Why were there no atheist sermons right after 9/11?
Atheism is extinction. Blind,pitiless,indifference.
Welcome to atheism!!
dinehope 2 years ago
atheist sermons?
what would they preach...a lack of belief?
are you retarded...are you a retarded person?
EnhancementSmoker 2 years ago 14
Yet atheists are not pitiless or indifferent, which practically proves that such feelings come from inside humans and not outside sources.
runedermilot 2 years ago 6
lol
your a idiot
TheEvolver311 2 years ago
Indifference to what?
What would we preach? There's no dogma.
maslab 2 years ago 4
"Why were there no atheist sermons right after 9/11?"
What?...Are you taking the piss? That is an eye-wateringly stupid question.
cornflakeclusters 2 years ago 51
What would be the point in telling cancer patients that there is no god... In fact what's the point in preeching god to cancer patients?
They should be helped not told fairy tales. What good is sharing lies going to do?
Atheist sermons? Lmao!!! While you were at your "sermons" Atheists were the guys trying to rebuild and actually helping each other.. not bowing to a fairy tale god.
Atheism is evolution, realistic, grown up, free thinking.
Welcome... to the real world
happyhappy85 2 years ago 4
Thanks traog and jrparri.
There is a lot of content on both catholics and puritans in regards to the first english settlers. History has never been one of my best subjects. At some point, I need to put some time to the side to do some good old research. I will definitely look into both the catholics and the puritans. Thanks.
KARIN094 2 years ago
The poor Native Americans....
Does anyone know which religion was prominent first, here in America? Baptists, Catholic..? Outside of the Native American belief systems.
KARIN094 2 years ago
Catholic, it was the Spanish and French that did most of the original european immigration.
traog 2 years ago
In terms of Eastern religions, not indigenous to the Western Hemisphere, then it might have been Taoism or Buddhism since the Chinese explored the West years before the Spanish.
But I digress, the Norsemen came as well but of course, the majority of them were pagans nor did they receive a majority of credit because they didn't leave great markers of their travels.
katey1dog 2 years ago 2
traog is right that Catholic was the most populous religion in the "New World" in general.
As far as the United States look to the Puritans. Not the most populous by any means - but very influential culturally and politically.
jrparri 2 years ago
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I wonder if Atheists are so convinced there is no God, why do they waste their time and energy with these videos? It's absurd! If you really don't believe in God, then He wouldn't be your daily subject of discussion. For example, I don't believe in being a sports fan. Wouldn't it be ridiculous if I made a whole series of videos about how baseball fans are fools (not that they are)?
tekneekfashion 2 years ago
the issue is one of privacy and influence. For example, as long as the man in the gold palace with the funny hat is able to get coverage on CNN, and as long as gay marriage is an issue, and as long as stem cell research is disputed in legislative bodies its our business too. Simple.
jt05ah 2 years ago 5
the difference is religious people affect many atheists lives-they want religious alternatives being taught over science in schools and religious buildings produce a large amount of wealth and dont even get taxed. In Europe many laws (such as sharia law) are trying to get introduced and these laws will have a big impac on the way people live. Atheists put effort into these videos because of a lot of things concerning how religion affects them in day to day lives
MaguireMart 2 years ago 2
Sports fans do not go out of their way to change the meaning of science. Nor, do they place singular or, multiple huge buildings on large parcels every mile or, so and make enormous amounts of money as a non-profit. Nor do they state that all non-fans will burn for eternity. Nor, do they run their planes into our buildings for religious purposes. Nor, do they penetrate our music, speeches to the masses with inserts of their god(s). Nor, do they state moral superiority over all non-sport fans.
KARIN094 2 years ago 4
i wouldnt say i am a atheist, but i dont beleive in any god defined by religion im not sure that god is even a being or concheince. maybe god is nature maybe god is the concencness of man. the point is that you actually think about it instead of relying on faith. faith is just a nice way of saying gulible.
mythros1 2 years ago 4
You're as wrong as religious people then.
Alpha1Bravo1Charlie1 2 years ago
Well god by definition is a minded intelligent creator... So God isn't nature or conciousness of man...
Don't mix up words...
nature IS nature not god
Man is man... not god...
The rest of this is right though... i wouldn't use God to replace certain words... maybe just stop using god... sounds to me like you're an atheist
happyhappy85 2 years ago
That is the definition given by religions. to an atheist the definition is meaningless and to different religions the definition is obviously arbitrary. if you dont like the term god being used substitute it.
mythros1 2 years ago
Why? Because unlike sports fans, religious zealots want nothing more than to control the lives of everyone else around them, to force their religion onto everyone, to make our laws match the barbaric laws in their books, and to indoctrinate our children to be afraid of an imaginary place of eternal torture, to be ashamed to be human, and to not trust the very science which has given us our current standard of living. How many sports fans do all of that?
califoniania 2 years ago 3
Sure, some sports fans may at times be irrational at times, may look down at non-sports fans, and sometimes even get violent, but when's the last time a sports fan wanted to make sports rules into common law? When's the last time a sports fan coerced somebody under threat of eternal torture to like a particular team? When's the last time sports was used as an excuse to invade a foreign country? When's the last time a sports fan demanded the death of all non-sports fans and fans of other sports?
califoniania 2 years ago 2
it's a shame that religious people aren't MORE like sports fans because then there wouldn't be any reason to fight against the menace of religious dogma and perhaps we could concentrate on other things. But so long as absolutist dogmatism exists (and that includes not only religious dogmatism but also political and nationalistic dogmatism as well), we cannot rest for the next time we wake up it could be in a brutal, repressive regime.
califoniania 2 years ago 3
"it's a shame that religious people aren't MORE like sports fans "
I love this, it's a great idea. How about, rather than having wars and strapping on bombs etc to prove who's prophet/god/idol is the best, just play a series of games and events, where fans pray for victory and whatnot. The God Olympics.
That way, whoever wins wins - no crying. Players can juice up and everything! If you cry foul, you've admitted the fallibility of your own god.
I think we're on to something.....
jrparri 2 years ago
Yes, this would be great! Additionally the religions would provide entertainment value to those not interested in dogma. It's a no loss scenario!
califoniania 2 years ago
ahh i was coerced to like a team for a minute XD..
But your analogy shows the similarities between a god fanatic and a sport fanatic. No one can tell sports fanatic that their team suck, same with zealots- there are times when diff sport teams fight each other for which one is better, same! ahhhh thts great :D
poppyseed1000 2 years ago
I'm an atheist and these dicussions arn't my everyday discussions... it's just nice to know you're smarter than the rest of the world sometimes. Here's my reason for talking about a god when i don't believe in it. If most of the people around you had a rock. They believed this rock was concious and could talk, they talked to this rock all the time and wasted time and money feeding it special food, you would try and stop them... would you not?Especially if these people were leading the government
happyhappy85 2 years ago
Maybe it is because Americans are descended from the religious people who braved the sea and wilderness to establish God's kingdom on earth. They also came to the US to isolate themselves and their children from other religions.
CorporationsSuck 2 years ago
It sucks that there was no show this last Sunday, I like to get the podcast and run to it =[
So I've been lazy and haven't ran lol
dummbatz48 2 years ago
Is the US really more religious? I know that people SAY theyre religious, but Except for the Amish villages, all I see is a bunch of hypocrisy. Religion in the US has been on the decline since the 60s. Fundamentals are just louder.
Excellent posts about education. Even among the religious, people cherry-pick the Bible and dont really know 90% of it.
MiranUT 2 years ago
If Americans were better educated or had a better interest in education, it probably wouldn't be so religious. I had to take it upon myself to get an education. It's shameful.
roadkill5555556 2 years ago 4
You are right about the reality of religion organizing into theocratic social control, but I was referring more to an ideal concept of religion, as exemplified in the Sermon on the Mount, which no doubt requires some type of evolution of mankind beyond our present state. I believe we were headed that way for a while but the industrial revolution, feeding on ideas that came out of the 'Enlightenment' (Europe), sidetracked it, and has remained in a primitive stage in the West. Avarice trumped it.
lurgidbee 2 years ago
By all rights we should be among the least truly religious people on the planet, due to the materialist bourgeois worship of money.The logical outcome of extreme, unregulated, individualist -minded capitalism is for the privileged few to become obscenely wealthy, and the masses eventually reduced to abject poverty. True religion is about social concern for the welfare of others, the truly religious state would be a social organization of everyone looking out for the best interests of others.
lurgidbee 2 years ago