@jacksunjie On the contrary , Sir . Those Kidd Class destroyers look modern and menacing . The Chinese People's Liberation Army Navy should think twice before they want to mess with the ROC's Navy
ROC please use Kidd destroyer to defend the island DYT which is unlawfully occupied by the Japs. Don't parade the ships. USE IT. Chinese honor is at stalk. How could the Nationals face our fallen heros that gave up their lives to protect our dignities . Shame to the Nationals. SHAME . SHAME.
Agreed. Although it was designed some decades ago, the 4 ships of Kidd class DDG should be a formidable force in blocking the PLA Navy from attempting to a force landing.
Owing to its NTU(New Threat Upgrade), Taiwanese Kidd class destroyer has good " simultaneous multi-targets engagemant capability". It is the best choice for Taiwan.
Taiwan has developed the Jangbaek radar and has also an indigenous 64-bit microprocessor platform. In addition, VLS cold-launch TC2 missile was developed and tested a few years ago; the HF3 and HF2e missiles are now in service.Therefore, there would be no problem in turning the La Fayette and Kidd ships into Aegis platforms.
That's actually one of the benefits of big ships like Kidd destroyers, easier to upgrade systems, add-on and modify etc because more rooms to fit in more electronics and weapon systems. Actually even if they already have a Aegis equivalent computer system inside the ship you wouldn't know anyway.
Let's be realistic. Defense spending in terms of GDP rarely tweaks more than 0.5% of GDP in any year. In fact, it's very unlikely that defense spending for Taiwan will rise above 3.5% of GDP any time soon. We all want more defense spending like 5-7% of GDP but that will not happen. Legislature budget committees don't do it that way.
lolololololololololoolololololol. ah so funny. taiwan acturlly likedm it. if i was taiwan. i take it back ask 4 refound. O my bad. all sales are final after 30 days lololololol.
The new system currently under development by The Taiwanese Government called Poda which is scheduled to install on the stealth freigate called Kung Din, can engaged up to 18 targets at once with VLS. Although it only have a search range of 60km, but with further improvement in the near future, it can easily out match Kidd and become one of the most advanced war ship in the Asian Pacific. I think the navy should support it instead of buying junk weapons from American garage sale
Taiwan has an MMIC industry therefore it would be possible to develop more powerful AESA versions of the radar developed in Taiwan. Taiwanese shipyards can build 10000 ton class ships so I think there will be no problems in building larger Aegis ships.
Glad they are upgrading the Lafayette because they were a real expensive junks (not Lafayette in general, but Lafayette for Taiwan). The only thing is...these Lafayette are even more expensive. But I think it's good for the military industries, if they do it right. Maybe with these type of experience they can handle even larger projects later.
The Lafayettes with the Taiwanese Jangbaek radars and indigenous missiles will be more advanced than the Lafayettes of other countries. But the Jangbaek radars should have longer range; Taiwan has a MMIC industry and therefore should develop an AESA enhanced version of the Jangbaek with longer range.
Kidd can only engaged 6 to 8 targets at once, while Aegis systems can do so with 18 to 22 targets. It's easy to reach saturation attack to sink Kidd by today standards. Bear in mind that an aircraft can carry up to 4 Anti surface to surface missiles.
Hmm...on Many VS One situation, yea, Kidd will be sunk by saturated attacks for sure. But I think today's military also has to count on joint operation...things like fighter covers, escorts etc have to be there. Plus I think Kidd has good anti-submarines capability which few people mentioned but is quite important.
Hmm...on Many VS One situation, yea, Kidd will be sunk by saturated attacks for sure. But I think today's military also has to count on joint operation...things like fighter covers, escorts etc have to be there. Plus I think Kidd has good anti-submarines capability which few people mentioned but is quite important.
Before the aegis came along, these destroyers were the most advance ships in the US navy. They may not be Aegis but these destroyers are still deadly.
While the Kidd destroyers are combat proven and good, they are nowhere near modern Aegis ships like Ticonderoga,Arleigh Burke or KDX3. Indigenous building will take 4-5 years and their might not be that much time left. Modifying some of Kidds and Lafayettes to mini-Aegis with Taiwanese radars and missiles would be required now. This will make 10 Aegis ships.
Beware the US Military/Industrial Complex. Maybe US capitalists are deliberately building up CHINA so that they will have a new COLD WAR enemy. I think they desire another 60 years of ARMS SALES to the PENTAGON to combat the YELLOW PERIL! A Master Plan is afoot. Before US/Western Investment, China was a nation of coal powered trains & an exporter of clothes & toys! No High Tech Industry. The US has lost many Defense Manufactures & want's them back!, Arms sales=Happy Congessional Districts! ; )
Taiwanese missiles can be equipped on the Kidd ships. However, Taiwan should build indigenous Aegis ships(with Taiwanese Aegis radars of course-this is possible), indigenous conventional and nuclear subs.
I acknowlege you made a great effort in analyzing technical issues related to ROCN's capabilities. Nevertheless, you only focus on weapons systems, disregarding the strategic environment as well as the security realm mainly involving the mainland on the one hand, and Americans on the other.
Both are global players that do not restrict their interaction to Taiwan Strait. In addition, other players are involved in this great power chessboard -- especially a resurgent Russia thanks to Vladimir Putin.
Therefore, I'm really sorry, I don't see how our center of interests can intersect as, moreover, my main concern is unification of China and resolute opposition to Taiwanese secession.
Anglo-Jew empire over-stretched itself, it is payback time. Japan want to free her from Amelikanese domination, China want the island of Taiwan back, Russia want to re-assert herself in central asia. It is an interesting time.
Do not underestimate the Kidds. Built on the Spruance design, they are deadly effective against submarines, and combine a powerful integrated radar/C4ISRT system with more than 60 SM-2MR air defense missiles for air defense. Spruance is a very long hull, ~180 meters in length, which permits it to chase down targets without waterplaning) .....and the Kidd has an advanced air-bubbling system called Prairie Masker which masks the sound of the warship. Kidd is extremely quiet.
The Kidds are not very "old." Unlike the Spruances, which were nicknamed "Greyhounds" by Navy sailors due to the ships being overworked to death on constant deployments, the Kidds were mothballed after just 15 years of light work. Add to that the refurbishing and the strengthening repair that the Kidds underwent in the Detyens shipyard in South Carolina, and the warships could easily serve Taiwan well for 20 more years, piece of cake. Perhaps 25 or 30.
but i guess the system is a bit old, SM2 ? and its ASW is also inadequate, can't handle PLA's numerous submarines in the shallow water of taiwan straight.
SM-2 is the missile currently used by the US Navy for medium range air defense, including all the Aegis warships. So it's not old, it's the current missile.
Kidd is very capable in ASW (it's basically a Spruance ASW destroyer that's really been beefed-up in air defense and antiship and EW.) But you are correct, it might have a hard time tackling the PLAN's submarines in the Strait, if only because it was outnumbered.
with PLA's new AIP modified sub fleet (type 039II, type 040), i don't think Kidd has any chance of survival, not to mention PLA's much better satellite and surveillance capability.
It just give us more time. Without air superiority, even Aegis have no chance to survival. By the way, the job of ASW should be finish by Perry class rather than the core of the fleet.
Taiwanese mil is more a less an annoyance to PLA than a threat. The real deal is PLA vs US+Japan (?). I don't think Japan is totally committed, it all depends on how the show is going.
With PLA's anti-SAT, EM warfare and tactical nuke capability, even the US invovlement is in doubt.
Nuke capability? Don't forget Cuban Missile Crisis. Even USSR couldn't make US backdown. How many nukes PLA have compare to USSR? PLA's anti-SAT? How many rockets PLA can launch per month and success rate?
Moreover, can you explain why PLA put their newest fighter "Flanker" in Anhui and Guangdong?
you're so naive. cuba is not the core interest of soviets, but China has core security interests in securing Taiwan. PLA made great leaps in technology and fighting capability in the last 8 years, flanker is actually considered to be outdated now. J10 is the new "Zero"
You're just playing the DPP script and goal: force on a reverse Cuba crisis so that Taiwan earns, if not its de jure "independence," at least a permanent de facto separation from the mainland through a Beijing-Washington agreement.
Actually, this is something Americans want to avoid at any cost because they don't want to trade L.A. for, e.g., Shanghai. John Warner made it very clear last April: "it could trigger unintentional consequences" (04/26/07).
If DPP fanatics study history, they will find parallel in polish problem before WWII. when German really attached poland, Anglo-French army just stand by with a "phony war".
It all depends on how hard PLA is willing to use its force, and the excesses of DPP only help to make this decision easier for PLA.
In fact, I don't like either DPP or KMT. What they are doning is pushing Taiwan to hell. My point is US don't afraid of a nuke war.
To Xterraman:
Poor man. Compare J10 to Flanker? They are diffent kinds of fighter, and I don't see many technologies newer than Flanker. However, I will deny the advances of RPC in aero area.
The issue, for Americans, is not nuclear war but: 1) crisis management, 2) control of escalation coupled with the credibility of response at each ladder of escalation, and, 3) war termination. There were hundreds, even thousands, or scholarly studies dealing with these issues from the 60's through the 80's.
In relation with Taiwan strait and possible Sino-American crisis over there, Americans have been concerned about the "unintentional consequences." In plain English, an unwanted escalation coupled with a loss of control over the crisis management -- or vice-versa.
the aerodyanmics, flight control, fire control systems of J10 is a generation ahead of Su-27. PLA is extremely satisfied with this new fighter. The production rate is about 10 per month for the forseeable future to replace J7/J8 fleet.
I would never count on the US or Japan to intervene on Taiwan's behalf. Taiwan had better err on the side of caution and assume that it will be fighting alone. ;)
I think PLA has already looked beyond Taiwan. If facing PLA's iron fist along, I don't think Taiwan can last more than a week. The receipe is quite simple, 400+ tactical nukes to destroy all air bases, communication/control centers, power plants, naval ports and other targets, then followed by non-stop long range WS-2 380mm rocket barrage.
Unfortunately, it is suicide to use nuke weapons. Don't forget the response of Western to the Tiananmen Square Massacre. Tiananmen Square have no doubt is a part of China. It is not only a military problem, also a political problem.
well, western opinion counts as next to nothing in PLA's planning. tactical nukes are real nice and clean weapons of this exclusive club of China, US and Russia. i am sure to save more life, PLA will defintely use it. otherwise why bother developing these weapons in the 1st place ?
China using nukes on Taiwan makes little sense if China still wants Taiwan as its territory. Because it renders the conquered land unfit for habitation due to radioactive fallout.
Man, you've been naive about PLA's nuke capabilities. FOr one thing, the neutron bombs developed back in 70s were specifically for destroying living target, while leaving infrastructure intact and w/o much radioactive fallouts.
Agree, however, the same government still stood. A massacre is a massacre and no one can help out in time. That's why Taiwan has to be vigilant, otherwise it could be another 228 before any help can arrive.
On the other hand, are seriously thinking the mainland side will be stupid to the point it is going to re-enact D-Day on Taiwan beaches?
This is exactly the flaws of both Hankuang scripted maneuvers and U.S. designed procurement, absolutely disregarding the mainland warfighting concepts as well as potential.
I don't think D-day will happen again. ROC Navy just out of number. How many SM-2 Kidd equip? Less than 100. It mean we can only shoot down less than 50 targets. Reolading? Taiwan don't have a lot of place for Kidd to stay. However, any kind of wars fear of time. This is what I'm thinking.
To be sure, Taiwan's filling its magazines to 270 SM-2s for four Kidds (~67 each.)
But I understand your point, Taiwan lacks numbers and strategic depth. Deficiency in numbers can be overcome, but China will outlast Taiwan eventually.
Maybe it is the word "War-weary". War means casualties. Not only casualties of life, but also economy (and many other things). The effects will increase with time.
Please use Chinese -- no matter simplified or traditional characters. Just keep it simple and short so I can translate and, maybe have other people enjoy the exchange.
According to a State Department transcript, Powell told Hong Kong's Phoenix Television: "There is only one China. Taiwan is not independent. It does not enjoy sovereignty as a nation, and that remains our policy, our firm policy."
Yes, but right now, it's the year 2007 and the Arleigh Burke production line is close to shutting down....if Taiwan doesn't place an order now, then there will be no chance to do so after the production line has closed and shut down!
Taiwan should build its own versions of Aegis ships comparable to KDX3(at least a dozen) and also indigenous submarines(about 60 diesel and 12 nuclear). Taiwan has most of the required technologies. The funding can be obtained to reducing welfare expenditures and increasing taxes to Scandinavian levels.
Taiwan, 60 diesels and 12 nuclear? Even China and Russia don't have that many. And Taiwan has only 2 submarines right now. To jump from 2 subs to 72 subs would be a ridiculously expansion in fleet size that cannot be handled.
But, in regard to your suggestion, Taiwan has had plans for both. There was a "Tien Tan" project for a modified Perry-class with a 64-cell VSL and an indigenously-made phased array radar, which would make it like Aegis.
Stepwise planning and massive relocation of resources(tax increase to Scandinavian levels and raising defense expenditures to 10+%of GDP) will make at least part of this possible. US cannot help neither Korea,Taiwan or Japan in case China invades. US cannot manufacture the subs for Taiwan anyway. 12 diesel subs ,4 mini-Aegis and start of nuclear sub development would be a good start, with stepwise increase within subsequent 5-year steps.
Really, what does Taiwan need nuclear subs (SSNs) for? Very, very few countries can afford nuclear subs (only Britain, France, Russia, and the USA, I think.) Even China has only a few and is only starting. Neither Japan, India, nor South Korea have nuclear subs.
Thank you for making this movie. The Taiwanese Navy has done a great job making these powerful ships new again. I hope that they are never needed in wartime, but I hope that the Taiwanese know that we in the USA all support you.
Formerly Ayatollah-class ships = Overpriced American protection money for the sole benefit of already fatten American fat cats and their Taiwanese lapdogs. Another costly evidence of DPP corruption and inefficiency!
To jmc805: 1) At least Lafayette destroyers were brand new sips, and not hand-me-down like the Kidd/Ayatollah destroyers. 2) With regard to what you mention, you should instead peep into Lee Teng-hui's Taiwan Research Institute. 3) About murders, isn't strange that the same team resurfaced last year around Ah-Bian's entourage when he made stopovers in the Middle East?
DeepBlue man, lighten up a bit. Kidds are pretty good ships and Taiwan didn't actually pay that much for them. They are like second-hand cars with weapon upgrades.
Lafayette are like brand new tigers without teeth and claws.
Don't believe everything you read in Taiwan's blue media, otherwise you get really "blue."
As a former DC2 and a member of the decomisioning crew of DDG-993, Im extremly happy to see this great workhorse of a ship put to good use. Take care of her and she will treet you well..
That's right. If I remember correctly Taiwan paid at least 2 or 3 times the price Singapore paid. A lot of money went into the corrupted officials and arm dealers in France and Taiwan. French government also use the money to bribe officials in China so Chinese would allow the French to sell the ships.
But under the 3 way deals by Chinese, French and the traitors in Taiwan, in the end Taiwan only gets a practically empty ship (incomplete weapon system and intergration) while the Chinese get a full anti-air system from France for their northern fleet.
One naval officers in Taiwan tried to stop the second phase of the deal which made Taiwan to pay more for weapon systems and he got murdered.
Just shows you how corrupted KMT and French government was during that time.
Taiwan should build up capability to build military ships like the KDX3 and conventional/nuclear U-boats as well as small carriers. taiwanese government should also send the pro-China traitors back to China in freight containers and build up a strategic nuclear arsenal including ICBMs.
xxwzaebd, KDX3 are South Korean AEGIS destroyers! Even South Korean will beat Taiwan in military superiority! Taiwan are run by bunch of cunts that pretend to be men for so long! They certainly cheer like a bunch of idiots for 2nd-handed junks like Kidds when everyone around Taiwan are already moving into AEGIS design!!
Then Taiwan should build something like KDX3. Shipbuilding capabilities are already present; what is not there is the radar technology. This should be procured later by 100% Taiwanese development.
Then citizens' groups should put pressure on the politicians to increase resource allocation to national defense. AFAIK, other countries have such groups with Web presence and off-line activities. Signatures and rallies as well as writing to politicians for indigenous subs,Aegis ships and light carriers would be a good start.
Forget about it. Rampant runaway defense spending is as great a hazard to Taiwan as too little spending. And what's this about Taiwan having light aircraft carriers??
Taiwan's defense is only at 2.85% right now. Jumping to 6% instantly would cause a great deal of problems, and 6% is too high anyway. Spending too much on defense brings its own set of problems.
I'd recommend gradually increasing spending in incremental levels:
3% in 2008
3.3% in 2009
3.5% in 2010
3.7% in 2011
4% in 2012
2012 is an election year. From then on defense spending would always be maintained at 4%.
Possible by reducing other(for example:social welfare) public expenses and increasing taxes. Taiwan has no access to continental trade roads and therefore must invest more on defense than Korea. Not only because of China; countries relying on export have to protect themselves from well-armed pirates as well. A large number of diesel subs as well as a small no.of nuclear subs as well as Aegis ships(such as KDX-3 or Arleigh Burke) are required.
But why? 5% of GDP would be able to cover much of that. You talk about getting large numbers of diesel subs - but from where? Only the US is offering SSKs, and only 8 of them. Nuclear subs? Impossible for Taiwan - not to mention why the need? Nuclear subs are for long-range patrols which Taiwan doesn't need. 5% of GDP would be plenty - remember, 5% of Taiwan's GDP would extrapolate to over $19 billion annually.
As for diesel subs, Taiwan can build subs which don't have the equipment commonly seen in advanced subs but are still useful for infiltration/counterinfiltration. Even Japan built its subs in WWII so why can't Taiwan? Taiwan also needs longer range vessels because it is an export-oriented economy without any access to land routes. Thus a navy capable of protecting sea lanes for international trade is required.
These small subs are effective but larger submarines of about 1500t class would be within Taiwan's capability. ( a part of a generic submarine has been built many years ago). Sophisticated electronics,fire control systems and AIP can be added later when they are indigenously developed or procured from overseas.
Again, why do this when the US has offered to sell 8 subs? For Taiwan to develop its own from-scratch submarines would be rather inferior because it would represent beginner-level R&D of any start-up industry.
The US needs foreign asistance to build these diesel subs but no country is willing to do this. In addition, the US leadership currently emphasizes business relationships and interests with the PRC. No country is willing to sell old subs to Taiwan ,either. Therefore, the only possible option is that of building indigenous subs which are not fully equipped but could be used for deployment of platoon-sized special units and capable of launching basic torpedoes.
From what I have read Taiwan's Navy's main concern is Chinese invasion, and the expected theatre of war is small. Therefore some suggested Taiwan should have more smaller and faster combat ships. Kidd might be a bit too big for Taiwan, but the 4 destroyers definitely give a boost to Taiwan's navy.
Taiwan should definitely spend more. The problem is the political "war" Taiwan is having now, which makes budgeting difficult. (The KMT is very pro-China now...)
虽然开战要被中共击沉。
但是敬业军人都是值得敬佩的。
daveduvw 3 weeks ago
The Kidd is a rust bucket. I almost needle gunned through the hull in Main Engine Room 2 back in '96.
sbeutler 2 months ago
神鬼奇航BGMwwwwww
remilia896 7 months ago
Looks so WEAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jacksunjie 11 months ago
@jacksunjie On the contrary , Sir . Those Kidd Class destroyers look modern and menacing . The Chinese People's Liberation Army Navy should think twice before they want to mess with the ROC's Navy
MrHelmyabdullah 4 months ago
喔耶!!
520duo 1 year ago
這ｍｖ的配樂好聽，不知道歌名是什麼＠＠？
gonghan 1 year ago
@gonghan
from "Pirate of Caribean" OST : He is a Pirate
gunhoogunsd1 9 months ago
既然這麼威猛 那釣魚台是我們的嗎?
arthurlife1314 1 year ago
and can not see youtube!! ha ha!
yunjanc1970 1 year ago
國旗歌後面的音樂滿震撼的耶，歌名叫什麼呀？
Samurai1568 1 year ago
ROC please use Kidd destroyer to defend the island DYT which is unlawfully occupied by the Japs. Don't parade the ships. USE IT. Chinese honor is at stalk. How could the Nationals face our fallen heros that gave up their lives to protect our dignities . Shame to the Nationals. SHAME . SHAME.
chinaboy1020 1 year ago
@chinaboy1020 i dont understand the language. i also dont understand your point regarding this clip. please explain further.
bigblondman1 11 months ago
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一万吨的排水，就装这些武器，都不觉得少？
myth206 2 years ago
2座雙聯裝MK-26雙臂飛彈發射器
可發射 標準二型飛彈 (前24後44)、反潛火箭ASROC(接艦時未啟封該功能)
2座4管魚叉飛彈發射器
2座MK 45 MOD1五吋砲
2座方陣近迫武器系統
基隆、蘇澳艦為Block 0型；左營艦為0型1座、1B型1座（具水面攻擊能力）、馬公艦為1A型2座
兩座三管MK32型水面船艦魚雷管
b25990 2 years ago
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好像同时只能发射2枚导弹？
那么大的吨位，会不会浪费了
myth206 2 years ago
2座雙聯裝MK-26雙臂飛彈發射器
可發射 標準二型飛彈 (前24後44)、反潛火箭ASROC(接艦時未啟封該功能)
2座4管魚叉飛彈發射器
2座MK 45 MOD1五吋砲
2座方陣近迫武器系統
基隆、蘇澳艦為Block 0型；左營艦為0型1座、1B型1座（具水面攻擊能力）、馬公艦為1A型2座
兩座三管MK32型水面船艦魚雷管
b25990 2 years ago
可以開home party ~
水手就不會無聊了 :)
grantourismo0109 2 years ago
@myth206 標二飛彈水面攻擊模式+魚叉飛彈兩枚飽和攻擊~外掛八枚SS-N-22式反艦飛彈被挨道應該會爆炸吧.紀德級那麼大你以為不能掛四枚雄風三型嗎?SS-N-22彈體超大,配合E-200T預警機大老遠就被發現了,用2枚SM-2就能在70 km里內攔你SS-N-22,你射程只有13公里的海麻雀能攔截標二飛彈水面攻擊模式+兩枚魚叉飛彈飽和攻擊嗎?
extremashih 1 year ago
@extremashih 少不少是横向比较而来的，看看世界上同吨位等级的军舰都装备了什么，比如看看伯克级的；同样是美国小弟，看看KDX2和爱宕都装备了什么（这些才5000，7000），一艘万吨舰，武器装备只相当于7000吨不到的船，不少么？你要说为了挡解放军，那搞光华小艇最合适了，大陆海军靠快艇也守住了领海；我只想说，可惜这么大的船了。
myth206 1 year ago
@myth206 解放軍的SS-N-22 只有SM-2能抵擋,況且SM-2又有水面模式對付快速狼群戰速最有效,要成功級對付掛冥河反艦飛彈江湖跟江衛級護衛艦的飽和攻擊也是力有未逮,KIDD可形成半徑100km的防空區域,又可以在TK-II跟PAC-2+ & PAC-3防護下在海峽與成功級數艘形成防空網,又能充當未來Ticonderoga未來售台的先期訓練艦,再配合成功級上的雄三已級KIDD未來可能裝置雄三,這樣的效益應該不是十幾艘光六匿蹤快艇比的上的
extremashih 1 year ago
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sbeutler 2 years ago 3
yea...but what happens when china decides to be stupid and attack??
sirtyeson1 2 years ago
nice video
yoyaowang 2 years ago
紀德級不但是我軍歷來噸位最大的主戰艦艇，在軍方和國際間的評價，更是僅次於日本金剛級戰艦的東亞第二強戰艦，在軍事討論版上，稱為「史普魯恩斯級的加強版」，性能勝過早期版的神盾艦。雖然紀德級成軍不能改變台海中國攻、台灣防的基本態勢，但使我軍獲得區域防空能力、戰場管理能力，使我國海軍真正邁入藍水海軍時代，取得接收新一代神盾艦的能力
richardwjwong 3 years ago 21
Agreed. Although it was designed some decades ago, the 4 ships of Kidd class DDG should be a formidable force in blocking the PLA Navy from attempting to a force landing.
tarantellaonline 2 years ago
its not ddg.
just dd.
nav2491i 1 year ago
DD-993 KIDD
Reclassified Guided Missile Destroyer DDG-993 August 8 1979.
lsm3532002 1 year ago
@lsm3532002 thanks.
nav2491i 1 year ago
當初紀德艦採購案，也就是光華七號計劃，除了每艘二億美元的船體外（紀德艦造價的5％，封存品當廢品賣的價格；之前我國的主力防空艦，成功級巡防艦，只是巡防艦等級，防禦空域只有紀德艦的十分之一；同時接戰多目標的能力不到紀德艦的三分之一，每艘不含飛彈系統的造價就要四億三千萬美元）
richardwjwong 3 years ago
It's called a destroyer because it destroys stuff
richardwjwong 3 years ago
Owing to its NTU(New Threat Upgrade), Taiwanese Kidd class destroyer has good " simultaneous multi-targets engagemant capability". It is the best choice for Taiwan.
apole7 3 years ago
Great ships!
ThreeX 3 years ago
Taiwan has developed the Jangbaek radar and has also an indigenous 64-bit microprocessor platform. In addition, VLS cold-launch TC2 missile was developed and tested a few years ago; the HF3 and HF2e missiles are now in service.Therefore, there would be no problem in turning the La Fayette and Kidd ships into Aegis platforms.
xxwzaebd 3 years ago
good ship,,, go tiwan,, fuck china
gates009 3 years ago
It would be also good to modify the Kidds with enhanced Jangbaek radars,cold launched TC-2 and TK-3 missiles as well as HF2e and HF3 missiles.
xxwzaebd 3 years ago
That's actually one of the benefits of big ships like Kidd destroyers, easier to upgrade systems, add-on and modify etc because more rooms to fit in more electronics and weapon systems. Actually even if they already have a Aegis equivalent computer system inside the ship you wouldn't know anyway.
xcom54 3 years ago
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well, do you forget a country called China?
bimmerx5 3 years ago
My country is the democracy is free
Republic of China(Taiwan)
Is not communist despotic People's Republic of China
m1a2111 3 years ago 3
我的國家不叫 China 呀
何來忘記呢~??
avht1013 3 years ago
我們的國家叫Republic Of 「China」，是亞洲第一個民主共和國。我們是China，而且是正統的china，不是蘇聯共產黨催生、扶植的共產黨集團。
y5464 2 years ago 32
support taiwan to defence its fisherman, land and sea, go north to against the japs navy la..if you are brave enought!
starstarca 4 years ago
Let's be realistic. Defense spending in terms of GDP rarely tweaks more than 0.5% of GDP in any year. In fact, it's very unlikely that defense spending for Taiwan will rise above 3.5% of GDP any time soon. We all want more defense spending like 5-7% of GDP but that will not happen. Legislature budget committees don't do it that way.
RedFoxAce 4 years ago
o' yea second hand goodies from uncle sam.
lolololololololololoolololololol. ah so funny. taiwan acturlly likedm it. if i was taiwan. i take it back ask 4 refound. O my bad. all sales are final after 30 days lololololol.
chinosensacion 4 years ago
The new system currently under development by The Taiwanese Government called Poda which is scheduled to install on the stealth freigate called Kung Din, can engaged up to 18 targets at once with VLS. Although it only have a search range of 60km, but with further improvement in the near future, it can easily out match Kidd and become one of the most advanced war ship in the Asian Pacific. I think the navy should support it instead of buying junk weapons from American garage sale
miinchao 4 years ago
Taiwan has an MMIC industry therefore it would be possible to develop more powerful AESA versions of the radar developed in Taiwan. Taiwanese shipyards can build 10000 ton class ships so I think there will be no problems in building larger Aegis ships.
xxwzaebd 4 years ago
I have not heard of this one yet. Is it based off of navalized TK-2?
RedFoxAce 4 years ago
Upgraded La Fayette(Kangding) class ships, I think. Retrofitted with Taiwanese phase-array radars(Jangbaek) and Taiwanese missiles.
xxwzaebd 4 years ago
Glad they are upgrading the Lafayette because they were a real expensive junks (not Lafayette in general, but Lafayette for Taiwan). The only thing is...these Lafayette are even more expensive. But I think it's good for the military industries, if they do it right. Maybe with these type of experience they can handle even larger projects later.
xcom54 4 years ago
The Lafayettes with the Taiwanese Jangbaek radars and indigenous missiles will be more advanced than the Lafayettes of other countries. But the Jangbaek radars should have longer range; Taiwan has a MMIC industry and therefore should develop an AESA enhanced version of the Jangbaek with longer range.
xxwzaebd 4 years ago
Kidd can only engaged 6 to 8 targets at once, while Aegis systems can do so with 18 to 22 targets. It's easy to reach saturation attack to sink Kidd by today standards. Bear in mind that an aircraft can carry up to 4 Anti surface to surface missiles.
miinchao 4 years ago
Hmm...on Many VS One situation, yea, Kidd will be sunk by saturated attacks for sure. But I think today's military also has to count on joint operation...things like fighter covers, escorts etc have to be there. Plus I think Kidd has good anti-submarines capability which few people mentioned but is quite important.
xcom54 4 years ago
Hmm...on Many VS One situation, yea, Kidd will be sunk by saturated attacks for sure. But I think today's military also has to count on joint operation...things like fighter covers, escorts etc have to be there. Plus I think Kidd has good anti-submarines capability which few people mentioned but is quite important.
xcom54 4 years ago
孫文說：在台灣的中國同胞被日本壓迫，我們必須
鼓吹台灣獨立，和高麗的獨立運動互相聯合。
毛澤東:如果朝鮮人民希望掙脫日本帝國主義者的枷
鎖，我們熱烈支持他們爭取獨立的戰鬥，這點同樣適
用於台灣」。「紅星照耀中國」1936年7月1日毛之談話。
老共歷史要讀
mirageborbor 4 years ago
hey,man~~wut's ROC mean???
that's ur so called 'contry's offical name~~huh?~
Republic of China~
taiwan is only a province
try to change the name~we will kick ur asses~lol
taitou 4 years ago
take this you red scum. It's Taiwan and she's our country. We are not a freakin' province of you dirty red chinks
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迟早炸沉它
RobyLeung 4 years ago
Before the aegis came along, these destroyers were the most advance ships in the US navy. They may not be Aegis but these destroyers are still deadly.
jjron5304 4 years ago 2
very good
kuojh99 4 years ago
While the Kidd destroyers are combat proven and good, they are nowhere near modern Aegis ships like Ticonderoga,Arleigh Burke or KDX3. Indigenous building will take 4-5 years and their might not be that much time left. Modifying some of Kidds and Lafayettes to mini-Aegis with Taiwanese radars and missiles would be required now. This will make 10 Aegis ships.
xxwzaebd 4 years ago
China has NOTHING that will stand up to a KIDD Class destroyer...
lordoflivernois 4 years ago 2
恶心中国狗
sss954522000 4 years ago 4
very good
parkjh77 4 years ago
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臺灣死尸部隊加油往前沖去搶死吧。可笑的僵尸部隊也叫亞洲第四武裝力量啊。早點歸順新加坡吧，我們會保護你們的。
jiaoqiangbusha 4 years ago
台灣加油!
esenawiat 4 years ago
從1945年到2003年, 台灣才真正建立一個初期像樣的海軍, 這一段路走來真辛苦. 五十年的空窗歲月.
cassidytw 4 years ago 2
Beware the US Military/Industrial Complex. Maybe US capitalists are deliberately building up CHINA so that they will have a new COLD WAR enemy. I think they desire another 60 years of ARMS SALES to the PENTAGON to combat the YELLOW PERIL! A Master Plan is afoot. Before US/Western Investment, China was a nation of coal powered trains & an exporter of clothes & toys! No High Tech Industry. The US has lost many Defense Manufactures & want's them back!, Arms sales=Happy Congessional Districts! ; )
bulletsvan 4 years ago
Taiwanese missiles can be equipped on the Kidd ships. However, Taiwan should build indigenous Aegis ships(with Taiwanese Aegis radars of course-this is possible), indigenous conventional and nuclear subs.
xxwzaebd 4 years ago
你們花那麼多錢做飛彈 可是農民還是在挨餓...誰敢跟你麼合併啊? 簡直是送死. 台灣人有自己的政府 而且是民主政府 是你們無法理解的
xmetalgearx 4 years ago 2
OK, DeepBlue, I am interested in reasonable debate and discussion. If you feel up to it, let me know.
RedFoxAce 4 years ago
Listen, RedFoxAce, it's neither i'm evading a rationale debate nor shunning you.
DeepBlueROC 4 years ago
I acknowlege you made a great effort in analyzing technical issues related to ROCN's capabilities. Nevertheless, you only focus on weapons systems, disregarding the strategic environment as well as the security realm mainly involving the mainland on the one hand, and Americans on the other.
DeepBlueROC 4 years ago
Both are global players that do not restrict their interaction to Taiwan Strait. In addition, other players are involved in this great power chessboard -- especially a resurgent Russia thanks to Vladimir Putin.
DeepBlueROC 4 years ago
Therefore, I'm really sorry, I don't see how our center of interests can intersect as, moreover, my main concern is unification of China and resolute opposition to Taiwanese secession.
DeepBlueROC 4 years ago
Hey, I'm with you on this one, ROC. I'm a KMT'er. I'm not a supporter of either the DPP or of formal TI. Sorry if there was any misunderstanding. ;)
RedFoxAce 4 years ago
Anglo-Jew empire over-stretched itself, it is payback time. Japan want to free her from Amelikanese domination, China want the island of Taiwan back, Russia want to re-assert herself in central asia. It is an interesting time.
Xterraman 4 years ago
what a joke, Kidd class was originally built for Iranians back in 1970s. Old junk.
Xterraman 4 years ago
Yet, it just a junk. The AA capability of a junk only behind Aegis combat system in US Navy. (Sorry for my poor english.)
IamLibertyBell 4 years ago
Do not underestimate the Kidds. Built on the Spruance design, they are deadly effective against submarines, and combine a powerful integrated radar/C4ISRT system with more than 60 SM-2MR air defense missiles for air defense. Spruance is a very long hull, ~180 meters in length, which permits it to chase down targets without waterplaning) .....and the Kidd has an advanced air-bubbling system called Prairie Masker which masks the sound of the warship. Kidd is extremely quiet.
RedFoxAce 4 years ago
The Kidds are not very "old." Unlike the Spruances, which were nicknamed "Greyhounds" by Navy sailors due to the ships being overworked to death on constant deployments, the Kidds were mothballed after just 15 years of light work. Add to that the refurbishing and the strengthening repair that the Kidds underwent in the Detyens shipyard in South Carolina, and the warships could easily serve Taiwan well for 20 more years, piece of cake. Perhaps 25 or 30.
RedFoxAce 4 years ago 2
but i guess the system is a bit old, SM2 ? and its ASW is also inadequate, can't handle PLA's numerous submarines in the shallow water of taiwan straight.
money could be better spent somewhere else.
Xterraman 4 years ago
SM-2 is the missile currently used by the US Navy for medium range air defense, including all the Aegis warships. So it's not old, it's the current missile.
Kidd is very capable in ASW (it's basically a Spruance ASW destroyer that's really been beefed-up in air defense and antiship and EW.) But you are correct, it might have a hard time tackling the PLAN's submarines in the Strait, if only because it was outnumbered.
RedFoxAce 4 years ago
Why don't you propose to order 400 more?
DeepBlueROC 4 years ago
with PLA's new AIP modified sub fleet (type 039II, type 040), i don't think Kidd has any chance of survival, not to mention PLA's much better satellite and surveillance capability.
Xterraman 4 years ago
It just give us more time. Without air superiority, even Aegis have no chance to survival. By the way, the job of ASW should be finish by Perry class rather than the core of the fleet.
IamLibertyBell 4 years ago
Taiwanese mil is more a less an annoyance to PLA than a threat. The real deal is PLA vs US+Japan (?). I don't think Japan is totally committed, it all depends on how the show is going.
With PLA's anti-SAT, EM warfare and tactical nuke capability, even the US invovlement is in doubt.
Xterraman 4 years ago
Nuke capability? Don't forget Cuban Missile Crisis. Even USSR couldn't make US backdown. How many nukes PLA have compare to USSR? PLA's anti-SAT? How many rockets PLA can launch per month and success rate?
Moreover, can you explain why PLA put their newest fighter "Flanker" in Anhui and Guangdong?
IamLibertyBell 4 years ago
you're so naive. cuba is not the core interest of soviets, but China has core security interests in securing Taiwan. PLA made great leaps in technology and fighting capability in the last 8 years, flanker is actually considered to be outdated now. J10 is the new "Zero"
Xterraman 4 years ago
To IamLibertyBell:
You're just playing the DPP script and goal: force on a reverse Cuba crisis so that Taiwan earns, if not its de jure "independence," at least a permanent de facto separation from the mainland through a Beijing-Washington agreement.
Actually, this is something Americans want to avoid at any cost because they don't want to trade L.A. for, e.g., Shanghai. John Warner made it very clear last April: "it could trigger unintentional consequences" (04/26/07).
DeepBlueROC 4 years ago
If DPP fanatics study history, they will find parallel in polish problem before WWII. when German really attached poland, Anglo-French army just stand by with a "phony war".
It all depends on how hard PLA is willing to use its force, and the excesses of DPP only help to make this decision easier for PLA.
Xterraman 4 years ago
To DeepBlueROC:
In fact, I don't like either DPP or KMT. What they are doning is pushing Taiwan to hell. My point is US don't afraid of a nuke war.
To Xterraman:
Poor man. Compare J10 to Flanker? They are diffent kinds of fighter, and I don't see many technologies newer than Flanker. However, I will deny the advances of RPC in aero area.
You didn't answer my question yet.
IamLibertyBell 4 years ago
To IamLibertyBell:
"My point is US don't afraid of a nuke war."
The issue, for Americans, is not nuclear war but: 1) crisis management, 2) control of escalation coupled with the credibility of response at each ladder of escalation, and, 3) war termination. There were hundreds, even thousands, or scholarly studies dealing with these issues from the 60's through the 80's.
DeepBlueROC 4 years ago
To IamLibertyBell:
In relation with Taiwan strait and possible Sino-American crisis over there, Americans have been concerned about the "unintentional consequences." In plain English, an unwanted escalation coupled with a loss of control over the crisis management -- or vice-versa.
DeepBlueROC 4 years ago
To DeepBlueROC:
There is some problem. What is mean by "escalation coupled with"? Any similar word? My mother tongue is not English.
IamLibertyBell 4 years ago
Escalation (nuclear strategy concept) idea of 逐步升级
coupled = with 及其
DeepBlueROC 4 years ago
Hope these approximative translatins could be helpful:
crisis management = 危机管理 (?)
control of escalation = 逐步升级控制
ladder = 階梯
I, too, am not familiar with this specialized terminology. I've seen some Chinese texts keeping the English word too.
DeepBlueROC 4 years ago
I can understand each word but can't understand the meaning. Especially for 2).
IamLibertyBell 4 years ago
the aerodyanmics, flight control, fire control systems of J10 is a generation ahead of Su-27. PLA is extremely satisfied with this new fighter. The production rate is about 10 per month for the forseeable future to replace J7/J8 fleet.
Xterraman 4 years ago
One generation ahead of Su-27? Of course, if you compare to First-Generation Su-27s. The J-10 is equal to the F-16. This is common sense.
The significance of J-10 is not the performance.
IamLibertyBell 4 years ago
I would never count on the US or Japan to intervene on Taiwan's behalf. Taiwan had better err on the side of caution and assume that it will be fighting alone. ;)
RedFoxAce 4 years ago
I think PLA has already looked beyond Taiwan. If facing PLA's iron fist along, I don't think Taiwan can last more than a week. The receipe is quite simple, 400+ tactical nukes to destroy all air bases, communication/control centers, power plants, naval ports and other targets, then followed by non-stop long range WS-2 380mm rocket barrage.
Xterraman 4 years ago
Unfortunately, it is suicide to use nuke weapons. Don't forget the response of Western to the Tiananmen Square Massacre. Tiananmen Square have no doubt is a part of China. It is not only a military problem, also a political problem.
IamLibertyBell 4 years ago
well, western opinion counts as next to nothing in PLA's planning. tactical nukes are real nice and clean weapons of this exclusive club of China, US and Russia. i am sure to save more life, PLA will defintely use it. otherwise why bother developing these weapons in the 1st place ?
Xterraman 4 years ago
China using nukes on Taiwan makes little sense if China still wants Taiwan as its territory. Because it renders the conquered land unfit for habitation due to radioactive fallout.
RedFoxAce 4 years ago
Man, you've been naive about PLA's nuke capabilities. FOr one thing, the neutron bombs developed back in 70s were specifically for destroying living target, while leaving infrastructure intact and w/o much radioactive fallouts.
Xterraman 4 years ago
What I mean is not opinion, but a response. Moreover, I don't think Chian want Taiwan in ruins.
As far as I know,US and Russia havn't used tactical nukes in public. However, they still developing it.
IamLibertyBell 4 years ago
Agree, however, the same government still stood. A massacre is a massacre and no one can help out in time. That's why Taiwan has to be vigilant, otherwise it could be another 228 before any help can arrive.
xcom54 4 years ago
You think China will use tactical nukes? :0
RedFoxAce 4 years ago
of course, to shortern the pain and save lives on both sides.
Xterraman 4 years ago
To IamLibertyBell:
What do you mean by more time?
On the other hand, are seriously thinking the mainland side will be stupid to the point it is going to re-enact D-Day on Taiwan beaches?
This is exactly the flaws of both Hankuang scripted maneuvers and U.S. designed procurement, absolutely disregarding the mainland warfighting concepts as well as potential.
DeepBlueROC 4 years ago
To DeepBlueROC:
I don't think D-day will happen again. ROC Navy just out of number. How many SM-2 Kidd equip? Less than 100. It mean we can only shoot down less than 50 targets. Reolading? Taiwan don't have a lot of place for Kidd to stay. However, any kind of wars fear of time. This is what I'm thinking.
IamLibertyBell 4 years ago
To be sure, Taiwan's filling its magazines to 270 SM-2s for four Kidds (~67 each.)
But I understand your point, Taiwan lacks numbers and strategic depth. Deficiency in numbers can be overcome, but China will outlast Taiwan eventually.
RedFoxAce 4 years ago
The Amelikanese could not care less about Taiwanese future, they only want to use Taiwan as an attrition point to tie down CHina's development.
Xterraman 4 years ago
Exactly. Which is why Taiwan should not count on America for anything.
RedFoxAce 4 years ago
I couldn't agree with you more. However, I don't think US could do anything about Taiwanese future.
IamLibertyBell 4 years ago
To IamLibertyBell:
"any kind of wars fear of time. This is what I'm thinking"
What do you mean? Sorry, I really don't understand what you want to say.
DeepBlueROC 4 years ago
To DeepBlueROC:
Maybe it is the word "War-weary". War means casualties. Not only casualties of life, but also economy (and many other things). The effects will increase with time.
May I speak in Chinese? My English is poor.
IamLibertyBell 4 years ago
Please use Chinese -- no matter simplified or traditional characters. Just keep it simple and short so I can translate and, maybe have other people enjoy the exchange.
DeepBlueROC 4 years ago
戰爭時間越長影響越大，越容易招來國際的干涉。
IamLibertyBell 4 years ago
Yes, so "Taiwanese" navy commanders travelling abroad have more money for strip tease dance ...
DeepBlueROC 4 years ago
中国猪欠狗干
02281947 4 years ago
According to a State Department transcript, Powell told Hong Kong's Phoenix Television: "There is only one China. Taiwan is not independent. It does not enjoy sovereignty as a nation, and that remains our policy, our firm policy."
csseoh 4 years ago
i support taiwan must has AEGIS ship to against commie china
gogozzzz 4 years ago 2
Yes, but right now, it's the year 2007 and the Arleigh Burke production line is close to shutting down....if Taiwan doesn't place an order now, then there will be no chance to do so after the production line has closed and shut down!
RedFoxAce 4 years ago
Already 2007 ...
Really childish.
DeepBlueROC 4 years ago
Taiwan should build its own versions of Aegis ships comparable to KDX3(at least a dozen) and also indigenous submarines(about 60 diesel and 12 nuclear). Taiwan has most of the required technologies. The funding can be obtained to reducing welfare expenditures and increasing taxes to Scandinavian levels.
xxwzaebd 4 years ago
yeah, right dream on, if the war between ROC and PROC, all those aeigis is gonna surrender asap
havocrein 4 years ago
Taiwan, 60 diesels and 12 nuclear? Even China and Russia don't have that many. And Taiwan has only 2 submarines right now. To jump from 2 subs to 72 subs would be a ridiculously expansion in fleet size that cannot be handled.
But, in regard to your suggestion, Taiwan has had plans for both. There was a "Tien Tan" project for a modified Perry-class with a 64-cell VSL and an indigenously-made phased array radar, which would make it like Aegis.
RedFoxAce 4 years ago
Don't dream too much!
DeepBlueROC 4 years ago
Stepwise planning and massive relocation of resources(tax increase to Scandinavian levels and raising defense expenditures to 10+%of GDP) will make at least part of this possible. US cannot help neither Korea,Taiwan or Japan in case China invades. US cannot manufacture the subs for Taiwan anyway. 12 diesel subs ,4 mini-Aegis and start of nuclear sub development would be a good start, with stepwise increase within subsequent 5-year steps.
xxwzaebd 4 years ago
Really, what does Taiwan need nuclear subs (SSNs) for? Very, very few countries can afford nuclear subs (only Britain, France, Russia, and the USA, I think.) Even China has only a few and is only starting. Neither Japan, India, nor South Korea have nuclear subs.
RedFoxAce 4 years ago
what's called overpriced? provide the number or you are an idoit!
02281947 4 years ago
2-28-1947 ...
next: 2-28-2008
DeepBlueROC 4 years ago
DeepBlueROC is 100% gay
02281947 4 years ago
My macaca is waiting for you.
DeepBlueROC 4 years ago
Thank you for making this movie. The Taiwanese Navy has done a great job making these powerful ships new again. I hope that they are never needed in wartime, but I hope that the Taiwanese know that we in the USA all support you.
surferdude690 4 years ago
Formerly Ayatollah-class ships = Overpriced American protection money for the sole benefit of already fatten American fat cats and their Taiwanese lapdogs. Another costly evidence of DPP corruption and inefficiency!
DeepBlueROC 4 years ago
DeepBlueROC == fucking KMT dickhead
KMT purchasing Lafayette-class made the most corrupted record with dozen people been murdered
jmc805 4 years ago
To jmc805: 1) At least Lafayette destroyers were brand new sips, and not hand-me-down like the Kidd/Ayatollah destroyers. 2) With regard to what you mention, you should instead peep into Lee Teng-hui's Taiwan Research Institute. 3) About murders, isn't strange that the same team resurfaced last year around Ah-Bian's entourage when he made stopovers in the Middle East?
DeepBlueROC 4 years ago
You're complaining about the DPP's "inefficiency?"
So what about the KMT, which bought F-16s, Mirage 2000s, AH-1s, Lafayettes, Perrys, E-2s, PAC-2s, Knoxes, C-130s, M-60A3s, Hai Lungs, etc.?
RedFoxAce 4 years ago
And what about your mental health?
DeepBlueROC 4 years ago
DeepBlue man, lighten up a bit. Kidds are pretty good ships and Taiwan didn't actually pay that much for them. They are like second-hand cars with weapon upgrades.
Lafayette are like brand new tigers without teeth and claws.
Don't believe everything you read in Taiwan's blue media, otherwise you get really "blue."
xcom54 4 years ago
As a former DC2 and a member of the decomisioning crew of DDG-993, Im extremly happy to see this great workhorse of a ship put to good use. Take care of her and she will treet you well..
lordoflivernois 4 years ago
American made the price so high. They all son of bitch
Shenzhenfootball 4 years ago
U guys should have bought french ships.
calebeurope02 5 years ago
Uh, yeah, after that whole Lafayette deal with the corruption, and the lack of any air defense missiles? No thank you! Once bitten, twice shy.
RedFoxAce 4 years ago
Hmm...yes, French was a real ass in the Lafayette deal...not just the money but cause the death one naval officer in Taiwan. Real SOB.
xcom54 4 years ago
We also sold Lafayette to singapure. Too bad the taiwanese can't use the advanced ship properly. lol
calebeurope02 4 years ago
That's right. If I remember correctly Taiwan paid at least 2 or 3 times the price Singapore paid. A lot of money went into the corrupted officials and arm dealers in France and Taiwan. French government also use the money to bribe officials in China so Chinese would allow the French to sell the ships.
xcom54 4 years ago
But under the 3 way deals by Chinese, French and the traitors in Taiwan, in the end Taiwan only gets a practically empty ship (incomplete weapon system and intergration) while the Chinese get a full anti-air system from France for their northern fleet.
One naval officers in Taiwan tried to stop the second phase of the deal which made Taiwan to pay more for weapon systems and he got murdered.
Just shows you how corrupted KMT and French government was during that time.
xcom54 4 years ago
Taiwan should build up capability to build military ships like the KDX3 and conventional/nuclear U-boats as well as small carriers. taiwanese government should also send the pro-China traitors back to China in freight containers and build up a strategic nuclear arsenal including ICBMs.
xxwzaebd 5 years ago
xxwzaebd, KDX3 are South Korean AEGIS destroyers! Even South Korean will beat Taiwan in military superiority! Taiwan are run by bunch of cunts that pretend to be men for so long! They certainly cheer like a bunch of idiots for 2nd-handed junks like Kidds when everyone around Taiwan are already moving into AEGIS design!!
IronJackalTw 4 years ago
Then Taiwan should build something like KDX3. Shipbuilding capabilities are already present; what is not there is the radar technology. This should be procured later by 100% Taiwanese development.
xxwzaebd 4 years ago
"100% Taiwanese development" = nothing at all!
DeepBlueROC 4 years ago
Then citizens' groups should put pressure on the politicians to increase resource allocation to national defense. AFAIK, other countries have such groups with Web presence and off-line activities. Signatures and rallies as well as writing to politicians for indigenous subs,Aegis ships and light carriers would be a good start.
xxwzaebd 4 years ago
Forget about it. Rampant runaway defense spending is as great a hazard to Taiwan as too little spending. And what's this about Taiwan having light aircraft carriers??
RedFoxAce 4 years ago
Taiwan's ecomomy is smaller than Korea's , so Taiwan should spend at least 6% in defence.
Increasing taxes to Scandinavian levels whould be also an option to be considered.
Even Thailand has its aircraft carrier. Taiwan has no access to continental export roads and therefore needs a blue water navy with carrier groups.
xxwzaebd 4 years ago
Taiwan's defense is only at 2.85% right now. Jumping to 6% instantly would cause a great deal of problems, and 6% is too high anyway. Spending too much on defense brings its own set of problems.
I'd recommend gradually increasing spending in incremental levels:
3% in 2008
3.3% in 2009
3.5% in 2010
3.7% in 2011
4% in 2012
2012 is an election year. From then on defense spending would always be maintained at 4%.
RedFoxAce 4 years ago
Taiwan should spend at least 10% in defense and also another 10% in R&D (basic science and applied technology) projects.
xxwzaebd 4 years ago
Percent of what, GDP? Impossible.
RedFoxAce 4 years ago
Possible by reducing other(for example:social welfare) public expenses and increasing taxes. Taiwan has no access to continental trade roads and therefore must invest more on defense than Korea. Not only because of China; countries relying on export have to protect themselves from well-armed pirates as well. A large number of diesel subs as well as a small no.of nuclear subs as well as Aegis ships(such as KDX-3 or Arleigh Burke) are required.
xxwzaebd 4 years ago
But why? 5% of GDP would be able to cover much of that. You talk about getting large numbers of diesel subs - but from where? Only the US is offering SSKs, and only 8 of them. Nuclear subs? Impossible for Taiwan - not to mention why the need? Nuclear subs are for long-range patrols which Taiwan doesn't need. 5% of GDP would be plenty - remember, 5% of Taiwan's GDP would extrapolate to over $19 billion annually.
RedFoxAce 4 years ago
As for diesel subs, Taiwan can build subs which don't have the equipment commonly seen in advanced subs but are still useful for infiltration/counterinfiltration. Even Japan built its subs in WWII so why can't Taiwan? Taiwan also needs longer range vessels because it is an export-oriented economy without any access to land routes. Thus a navy capable of protecting sea lanes for international trade is required.
xxwzaebd 4 years ago
Taiwan is already purchasing such small infiltration submarines from the United Arab Emirates.
RedFoxAce 4 years ago
These small subs are effective but larger submarines of about 1500t class would be within Taiwan's capability. ( a part of a generic submarine has been built many years ago). Sophisticated electronics,fire control systems and AIP can be added later when they are indigenously developed or procured from overseas.
xxwzaebd 4 years ago
Again, why do this when the US has offered to sell 8 subs? For Taiwan to develop its own from-scratch submarines would be rather inferior because it would represent beginner-level R&D of any start-up industry.
RedFoxAce 4 years ago
The US needs foreign asistance to build these diesel subs but no country is willing to do this. In addition, the US leadership currently emphasizes business relationships and interests with the PRC. No country is willing to sell old subs to Taiwan ,either. Therefore, the only possible option is that of building indigenous subs which are not fully equipped but could be used for deployment of platoon-sized special units and capable of launching basic torpedoes.
xxwzaebd 4 years ago
From what I have read Taiwan's Navy's main concern is Chinese invasion, and the expected theatre of war is small. Therefore some suggested Taiwan should have more smaller and faster combat ships. Kidd might be a bit too big for Taiwan, but the 4 destroyers definitely give a boost to Taiwan's navy.
Taiwan should definitely spend more. The problem is the political "war" Taiwan is having now, which makes budgeting difficult. (The KMT is very pro-China now...)
xcom54 4 years ago