airline industry outsourcing

[JetMechMA]

You people have your head up your ass. The horse has already left the barn. The damage is already done. Our nation has ALREADY been transformed into the haves and the have-nots. ALL the infrastructure has already been dismantled. It's too late to go back to the good old days, if there ever were any good old days. The only thing left to do is revolution. To fight back against the ultra-wealthy elites that did this to us. That's all we have left.

[paulsbluebalz]

@JetMechMA tell me when and where brother.

[JetMechMA]

The Jetblue incident at the very beginning?....it was a software error in the fly-by-wire system...had nothing to do with maintenance. It was used out of context in this video. The fact is, outsourcing is proven safe and effective. It's been going on for decades and the feared crashes haven't materialized. We Americans are opposed to outsourcing our trade because we are opposed to outsourcing our trade. If I don't have a wrench in my hand I'm going to fill that empty hand with a gun.

[737823]

If the unions didn't price themselves out of the job, this wouldn't be happening. If Chinese or Mexican workers will work for less, I say more power to them. US consumers enjoy lower ticket prices and airlines enjoy increased profitability.

[brownstyleful]

vital information.

[zebidee55]

Interesting how the focus of this article is on foreign outsourcing of maintenance and yet the only example of a fatal aircrash they could come up where outsourcing was even listed as a possible cause with was for work done by a US domestic FAA certified company.

[Zenome]

So you judge one mistake done versus multiple mistakes done from foreign outsource facilities? You should really go check the facts now, where multiple failures due to maintenance were caught during routine line maintenance and found that work done from outsource was not compliant. Interesting how you didn't mention that, perhaps you should move out of the USA to find out.

[zebidee55]

Firstly, I'm not from the USA, secondly, I'm a DAR, so my entire work life is devoted to determining maintenance failures from whatever source, thirdly, the research I was doing when I came across this video was for a University Masters assignment, so you can be reasonably sure I checked my facts.

[zebidee55]

Mistakes are made at all levels in aviation, but the tack taken by the Teamsters towards outsourcing in the Philippines & China without saying that these facilities are run by Lufthansa Technik (who also run a facility in Tulsa which is not discussed) seems more focussed on American jobs rather than safety.

When discussing American lives put in danger by maintenance from China, no-one ever mentions the 225 Chinese lives lost when Boeing performed a faulty repair on a China Airlines B742.

[Zenome]

If you base your "University Masters assignment" from a video, then I seriously doubt your credibility as anything but false pretenses that has no relevance to actual facts. I have no idea what a "DAR" is, perhaps its some unrecognized institute you attend? Facts are checked from reliable sources, such as maintenance logs and incident reports not videos.

[Zenome]

Of course mistakes are made in any level of aviation, however I have no idea why you related "Boeing" to China, since Boeing is the leading manufacturer and obviously the designers of the aircraft, they are the ones at fault not the people in America, again your false pretenses. I've a man from Korea who went to the USA to get an A&P so he can supervise work overseas when the work is outsourced however the man never passed because he doesn't know the difference between hydraulic fluids and oil.

[JetMechMA]

@zebidee55: seems more focussed on American jobs rather than safety.

JM: What's wrong with that? You got something against America?

[zebidee55]

@JetMechMA I don't recall saying anything against America in my comment.

[JetMechMA]

@zebidee55: no-one ever mentions the 225 Chinese lives lost when Boeing performed a faulty repair on a China Airlines B742.

JM: It was the worst single aircraft accident in aviation history, and it was a JAL flt #123. Boeing performed an improper repair on the pressure bulkhead that ruptured and blew off a portion of the rudder. Next time the Japanese will buy their own 747....oh wait, they don't MAKE 747s. Americans invented the thing...so yes, they are going to make mistakes.

[zebidee55]

@JetMechMA The crash I was referring to was China Airlines Flight 611. Similar circumstances to JAL123, but more relevant to this video.

Your logic in saying the Japanese should buy their own 747 and the implication that unless they build their own, they deserve what they get is equivalent to saying people deserve to crash driving on Firestone tires because they didn't make their own tires at home.

[JetMechMA]

@zebidee55: Your logic in saying the Japanese should buy their own 747

JM: That doesn't stand to reason at all. But what I said DOES stand to reason. The fact that our guys were human and made a human error in no way means that our maintenance is inferior to foreign maintenance. Only traitors promote foreigners over Americans. All hyperbole aside...only TRAITORS support outsourcing now days. You better get your head on strait about that. Are you with us or against us? Choose sides.

[zebidee55]

@JetMechMA WTF?! "With us or against us"?! Pull your head in, cowboy. Firstly, I'm not American, so don't 'traitor' BS me. Secondly, I work in the real world - planes go everywhere, and get serviced by a lot of people. If British Airways or Qantas needs a C check done on their 747s, do they have to ship it back to the manufacturer? Of course not.

I'm not saying foreign maintenance is better than US, but are you telling me Lufthansa Technik and SIA Engineering can't service planes?

[JetMechMA]

@zebidee55: m not saying foreign maintenance is better than US, but are you telling me Lufthansa Technik and SIA Engineering can't service planes?

JM: I don't know what you mean by that. The topic here is outsourcing work that was formerly done "in-house". THAT's the topic. Every airline worker should vehemently oppose outsourcing and should take job actions to protest it. If the airline I work for wants to outsource all the in-house work, we should force them into liquidation.

[JetMechMA]

@zebidee55 What kind of a world do we live in anyway? A person does everything they should, they live right, get the training that they said would secure their fututre, and then in the middle of the game they change the rules...except it's too late to start over again. We only have one life to live. You don't get second chances. Once you reach a certain age....for them to steal your pension and totally eliminate your standard of living. We may as well start the revolution.

[JetMechMA]

@zebidee55: Your logic in saying the Japanese should buy their own 747

JM: False premise. The mistake made on the JAL123 incident was a human error. What happened at Firestone was a deliberate corporate crime. Again, the JAL123 incident does NOT point up inferior American maintenance, and further more if they don't like it, they can design and build their own 747 and do 100% of the maintenance. It could have happened even on their own equipment.

[SluttyYutty]

Ya go Canada

[cuba1902]

You say you won't fly in anything made in China, well you probably already have if you have flown before.Its nothing new. Even Northwest Airlines using parts made in China. The US is not the only country that makes planes. Boeing for the US, Airbus from Europe, Embraer from Brazil, etc..The FAA is nothing more then politics.

[cuba1902]

Please, the major reason for outsourcing is cost. If you ran your own airline company you would be doing the same. I am an American myself but this video is racist against other countries doing the same jobs that are done here. Think about it, the airline companies are paying viewer dollars for maintenance but do you actually think that they would hand over a $50 million dollar aircraft to just anyone? Not to mention the insurance, Come on think about it for a minute. There not stupid.

[rottenegg0]

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[bigbillyb0b]

outsourcing is not the problem!!! That crash that was cited, Air Midwest Flight 5481, was giving with misinformation. The real reason for the crash was debris on the runway and nothing about maintence in the report. The recent problem with maintance has been atributed directly to the FAA and them allowing flawed planes to fly.

[voodoochild1962]

Very easy to google the cause(s) of this tragedy. (1) Incorrectly rigged elevator control cables and (2) the use of inadequate passenger weight tables resulted in an overloaded and out of balance aircraft. It wasn't until that last flight that the weight aboard the a/c exceeded the aircraft's ability to maintain correct pitch at takeoff. The elevator rig had been outsourced to a facility in West Virginia and a post maintenance inspection (to detect any errors) had not been accomplished.

[hockeygirl789]

Have you done the research on each individual plane that has had maintenance problems? Each one isn't probably going to crash each time. The plane in Chartlotte had flown 8 times before it crashed. It is only a matter of time that there will be more crashes, not including security reasons they shouldn't outsource. You must not be an American, because I can't believe that you would not be concerned about this.

[justawordaway]

If it such a big issue then why not the aircrafts from other airlines crash every now and then. They don't send their airplanes to US for maintainance. And why among the top 10 air crashes 8 are from American Airlines? They didn't outsourced that time. Truth is you cannot expect 10 times more salary for a job which another man can do for 1/10th.

[muzy67]

I'd like to dispute your statement that "among the top 10 air crashes 8 are from American Airlines". We have had accidents but not nearly 8. Are you counting our 2 on 9/11? We have had 1 in 1978 due to maintenance performance. AA has 3 crashes on your ten list, NOT 8! Yes, they were bad!