子連れ狼 Lone Wolf & Cub: Final Conflict (1993) Itto vs Retsudo

[xmeddie]

田村和正版

[JSuelto1]

piss poor adaption

[glockster68]

the original is better....Tomisaburo Wakayama had a better screen presence.

[87TheProdigy87]

made 20 odd years later and 100 times shitter!!!

[ERIK000000000]

Suck my balls, this is basicly Ganryu Island

[10HAPPYGILMORE]

Thank Bhudda ..I watched the FAR better original movie series before this lame bullcrap....Ogami Itto in that was an absolute Beast..you'd think he'd let a lame ass old punk like Retsudo beat him..PFFT!! Bullshzzle!!

[1misanthropist]

In the comic I had, Retsudo didn't fight Lone Wolf on the beach. This actor doesn't look like the same one in Shogun Assassin. Who plays Lone Wolf in this?

[shakiin000]

田村正和?

[ChargerHemi29]

This is such shit . The sword play is authentic in the origional, this is just bad.

[amazingdany]

Hmmm... Must be Retsudo: The Wonder Years.

[manabara]

Retsudo didn't kill himself!! He's alive, the ones dead are Itto n his son! What the heck is wrong with these version's film makers, they killed the story!!!

[cryjesuscry]

@manabara Daigoro doesn't die, he actually kills Retsudo(or he succumbs to his wounds after being stabbed).

[manabara]

@cryjesuscry Really?! Thank goodness, I'm glad Daigoro didn't die... :)

[cryjesuscry]

@manabara there is actually a sequel that has been released over the last ~5 years in Japan, hopefully soon it will come to America translated. It takes off right after the final battle between Yagyu and Itto and tells the story of what happens to Daigoro. Sorry to spoil that part of it for you but I know I was glad to find out that Itto did in fact crush his enemies in the end.

[manabara]

@cryjesuscry oooooo this i like :) it's good that u told me of this n m looking fwd for it. Daigoro's too good to die ... i'm relieved and happy... i get to see the continuation of Itto's saga, n thank you :D

[manabara]

This Diagoro is so lame not like the original at all!!! Frankly, I changed my mind, this version sucks :( It's a disgrace to koike's wonderful story!!

[manabara]

How come the final conflict's at the seaside? Why both retsudo n itto are young in this adaptation?! Where's the eye-patch for retsudo? Why does itto have very long hair? It should be shorter! Where's the shogun and his men? They should be observing the showdown. What's up with the bob hairdo for diagoro? Straying from the original works of koike, how sad... :( Still I like this version too, it had its good moments... :)

[troubleman245]

Good scene but dude's too young to be Itto. The other guy should've been Itto.

[Peekingduck]

Looks pretty true to the original manga

[tedtdu]

somehow represents strange Jap personality. No more change even in modern world, although trying to hide it by their lib-service & "happy" smile

[francishrn]

That was a ridiculous fight! Why was it called lone wolf n cub?!

[zachthezombie]

wow the music score in this sucks more than the look of the film

[BlueStrikeP]

hmm... I had it understood that retsudo didn't die in the manga, but that he let daigoro stab him and then took him as his grandson. Am I way off?

[Nabiki73]

Seriously, this is garbage. I can see why it was rare- had they actually tried to peddle this as an accurate adaptation, the producers would have been laughed out of Japan.

[angantyr86]

Daigoro with hair and Itto Ogami younger!? Hey, i digging i hole in here, WTF?, i mean, after "white heaven in hell" goes this one?, i think there was a television serie, i am right?. Greetings from Argentina!

[MechaSabidote]

Yeah, this is totally lame-ass. Retsudo of the manga is the epitome of the badass old master, not some lame-wad salt n pepper hair (where's his sweet Tsuba eyepatch?). And Itto is supposed to be the stoic, invincible incarnation of the samurai ideal, not this simpering member of 'A Flock of Sea-gulls". Holy crap, this remakes always fuck everything up.

[IttoOgami1967]

nobody can match Tomisaburo Wakayama's portrayal of the great Itto Ogami.

[IttoOgami1967]

this pretender looks like he belongs in a boy band! X-(

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[Pasupata]

Poxa, luta dramática porém feia...

[DVDMovieBufferBX]

little bit close to the manga ending but still sad though.

[mitchx69]

i prefer the original

[tomroethlisberger]

@mitchx69 Mee too

[Iori400]

i need to know which mangas to get in chronological order to understand Ogami itto and daigoro's timelime :O

the movies are okay but i want to read the real deal from the manga

[actionfigure1904]

I am sorry I am replying so late, but I just watched Road to Perdition... 52:30.... Is that the "Assasin's Road"?

[mitchx69]

@Iori400 check on wikipedia

[Iori400]

NOOO!!!

[sirashram08]

does anyone know where to download this kind of stuff?

[funkfonz]

This fucks the greatness of the past!!!!!!!!!!

[DruidArena]

They stayed true to the cinematography, but the fighting bothers me. The choreography in the original, as well as the performers, fought like they actually knew traditional koryu bujutsu. Here, it seems to be more about flair than good solid fighting, which is what really drew a lot of people to it.

[dunecigar]

The original is considerably better then this ´93 version. Way better!

[leftjab19]

if it wasn't for the subtitle's you've could put something like with the spear, HEY! this is a real spear, MEDIC!!!.

[liquiterge]

I won't even comment on how they treated the story, but I got a little teary when Daigoro tried to get the Dotanuki, then went for the spear, like his first thought was to finish the fight. 'too bad it sure didn't end like the comic.

[unsungjo]

This gizzer diagoro does look the part, man.

[suspekt29]

Is that the name of this? Handful of Sand? Or were you saying that's what its based on.

[britpod]

hah it's a handful of something!

The name literally translated is Kozure Okami: handful of Sand. However its also often found online with the title "Final Conflict"

[britpod]

Itto in this version seems like he'll drop his dotanuki at any point so that he can partake in some crying.

I wouldn't mind a more emotional Itto if it was believable, but this Itto somehow being able to fend off the entire Yagyu clan doesn't cut it.

Retsudo is a more interesting adaption than Itto in this film.

I'm currently working on polishing up the video abit and re-syncing it, when it's done I'll up a couple more clips.

We need the 2002-2004 series to be uploaded!

[FinancialLeverage]

@britpod

the fight scene is awful.

[lipoicacid]

@britpod I agree.I didnt like this Itto.How does the manga series end?

[BlueStrikeP]

@lipoicacid

mangavolume[dot]com/serie-arch­ive/mangas-lone-wolf-and-cub/

read up :), the real final battle starts in ch 136 but you should probably read most of the manga to get whats going on, or if you only want to see the fight between retsudo and itto, thats ch 139, but itto has fought quite a bit up till then

[harrymanbach]

@britpod the older TV series is a more emotional portrayal and a well done one at that,as he seems to grow more stoic,distant and cold as the seasons progress

[10HAPPYGILMORE]

@britpod LOL! I know right..Tomisaburo Wakayama was the Perfect "Ogami Itto" this guy is kind of an emo wuss..And I disagree with you on Retsudo ..the original was the embodiment of pure evil...this look like it lacks the punch of the film series from the 70's just my opinion

[awwhellnogadammit]

fuck this. the orig is better.

[tengujones]

originals are ok, this is pretty poor. Would have thought it would be really good, very poor swordsmanship too. Original Ogami Itto is better, this is pure crap

[Born2Fight4Life]

whats the name of this movie

[TokyoCannabal]

at 1.39 is that itto performing the zanbato wave slicing stroke?wtf is up with daigoro's hair and retsudo is an old man

[cesarehenriquez]

Que version tan mala, esta no es ni sombra de la version original

[halololololoman]

I did like the Magna better because it seems more action-packed, restudo is older but its better at the end that, he let Diagoro kill him once he realised he lost his clan and since being old he'll die soon, then Diagoro kills him with the spear and in the last sence Restudo says "Grandson of my Heart" that was a perfect ending.

[Born2Fight4Life]

whats the name of the manga version? of this film

[daigoro111]

These guys suck bad. Where's Ogami's deadly metsuke (perceiving eyes) ala Tomisaburo? The distancing is all wrong (too close!). Both men look gay. What a disgrace for the manga's legacy! HOW THE HELL CAN A SPEAR BREAK A DOUTANUKI LIKE THAT!?!? Wrestling with weapons like that - where's the tecnique? Where's the Suio-ryu? Even the 9=70's movies had some Suio techniques in it.

[Karwamaka]

Es que en el manga original la dôtanuki se llega a romper. Retsudô le dice: "Coge una de las espadas de mis guerreros y ven". Ittô se niega, y lucha con la dôtanuki rota.

La Suiôryû está en 1:40. Se trata de Namikiri no Tachi.

La peli está bien. Tiene que ser algo distinta del manga, para variar.

[daigoro111]

No conozco ninguna tecnica Suio-ryu llamada "Namikiri no tachi". De que categoria pertenece? Tachi-iai, Kenpo? Kumi-iai? A menos que tu seas un Dai-mokuroku o algo similar y hayas sido expuesto a tecnicas super-avanzadas.

[Karwamaka]

Nada de eso, compadre. "Nami" es ola, "kiri" corte y "tachi" espada. Sería algo así como "corte de la ola". No sé si será real o de ficción. Había un bonito video de Itto gritando eso, pero lamentablemente ya no está disponible en el yutub.

[Karwamaka]

Ya mira. He encontrado otro video donde se menciona:

watch?v=zumsNgGqWVY ( 2:20 )

No necesitas usar palabritas de las que no conoces el significado para intentar impresionar.

[daigoro111]

Pense que lo de "Namikiri no tachi" provenia del verdadero Suio-Ryu ® y no de alguna de las obras de ficcion. Las "palabritas" que mencione son del curriculum del verdadero Suio-Ryu ®, y SI las conozco, porque soy practicante de este. Mas informacion: suioryu-usa . org

[authorion]

Umm, the Doutanuki broke because the Yagyu tampered with it. Ogami had his sword polished (i.e., sharpened: after all those fights the edge probably dulled a bit), but the sword polisher was in the pay of the Yagyu. There were microscopic flaws put into the sword so when the final duel with Retsudo happened, the blad broke.

Or (if there are real Yagyu around out there), Retsudo would have used his grandfather's (Yagyu Muneyoshi) technique which was used to split a rock in two.

[ginrummy84]

retsodu isn't that young. and ogami's hair isn't that long. and neither did his dotanuki broke off like this. geez.. read the manga before making the show man.. ur making die hard ogami fans laugh.

[britpod]

Which is exactly why most fans blasted this films existence :P

Although Retsudo's performance is much better in this than that of Ogami's

[bolivianjp]

I know how you feel. The original manga is always better than any film. And sometimes its irritating to see how people mess with masterpieces.

But this one wasnt bad at all. The fans criticized this because of details like Ogami not saying "Meifumado" and Daigoro not having his buggy. But it was Kazuo Koike's idea (the author of the manga) who also colaborated in the story line. So it will be weird to say read the manga to him. He also said this is the Lone Wolf~ film he likes the most.

[cinemaplaylist]

Love the manga

[jerkolino]

I just saw the movie and it's great. Has some adaptations as you said, but it's the whole story in 2 hours...

[BabiesRfood12]

Sup from Australia.

Love LW&C.

[ahkai74]

拝一刀と烈堂の最後の果し合いの一幕を拝見させてありがとうござ­います。実に、はらわたがちぎれるような悲しい思いが心の底まで­響く、これは、正しく武士道の精神です、というのは、武士の人生­価値観は正しく生きて、命を自分の親方にささげても"忠"を守り­貫くのです。このような精神で日本人は戦後１０年間で崩れ焼き跡­から立ち上がった、しかし、これが軍閥に利用されると、すごく哀­れな結果になる、例えば、広島の原爆のありさま。幸い、今の日本­は完全に民主社会になりました。全体として、この映画は感動的に­おもしろい面があります、初めから終わりまで、心を引かれる魅力­がある、外の人はどう思うか分かりません、だから、いい加減なこ­とは言えないのです、でも、味方になってくれる人がいてこそ自分­の考えが整理され落ち着いてことに向き合える、自分の勉強にもな­ると思います。By the way,I've got the VHS of this version at Y$500 from yahoo auctions and sent it to be made into DVD. Thanks for your kindly help

[EloyP]

greetings from brazil

burajiru

[ahkai74]

Welcome to join us.

[iyaramonk]

I haven't read the mange but the ending in the television show from the 70's was very good.

[ogami72]

The manga was way better,Ogami dies on his feet with Retsudo clutching his blade in his bare hands,then Daigoro grabs the spear tip and runs him down.Retsudo spreads his arms and lets the kid kill him.He saw that he had lost everything,the Itto clan had won.But thanks for uploading this,I wish I could get in in the states.

[alexrod830515]

en la historia original daigoro mata a yagyu con la lanza y con lagrimas en los ojos le dice daigoro querido nieto . terminando asi la historia epica

[Karwamaka]

¿Estás seguro de que es lo que dices? Retsudo es un anciano, y ambos contendientes son hombres jóvenes.

[theorulez]

audio is way off sync x.x.

[opmgirl]

a spectacular upload.CRABS!!!