Mexica Movement Lecture: Migration vs. Immigration

[peopleofthecircle]

For an analysis of 'Atzlan', check out my video, "Atzlan - myth or fact".

(In case you haven't noticed, we HAVE returned to Atzlan!)

[PaulSLambeth]

A good message for most of it, but what's with the genetic anthropology at the end? An awkwardly colonial European way of categorising people. Celebrate the diversity of the indigenous cultures, just as Europeans have diversity - don't lump them together based on biological similarity. You don't need to pretend you're all the same culture, due to some genetic similarity, to be united in getting recognition.

[METEK101]

What happened to the Oto-Manguean language branch? That's where the Zapoteco comes from.

[peopleofthecircle]

@METEK101 Oto-M and Uto-Azt, branched off from each other - check out Wikipedia.

[califas408bp]

Xanahuia, Carlos!

I just wanted to politely ask if you can provide the sources where you get your information from, and post them on the video description. I think the video is very important to the building of our language, and I could truly use the sources to further expand our knowledge.

NicuicaNawatl

Tlazocamati..

[theworldindepth]

well done

[thenewend2012]

we already know what's coming now you see why it is coming...

[AdawehiMeliLayton]

AWESOME!!!

[Nick0L]

Did indigenous tribes and peoples ever wage wars of conquest on each other before Europeans arrived?

[Flemtar]

Duh

[Cybervato001]

the mexica movement is a fake puppet ridiculous movement manipulated by communist jews to divide mexicans in aztlan.

indians vs cowboys? BS!

Mexican is a nation, not a color or race!

lol

[MEXIKAYOTL2012]

then dont watch the videos if you think that way!

[HonestyIsKey]

"minorities" get pinned against eachother, instead of fighting the White power structure we end up fighting eachother like crabs in a barrel.. that won't get us anywhere.

[montelinus]

keep the lectures coming!! fantastic!

[centerrightpunk]

the original inhabitants of easter island and isla sala y gomez, in the south pacific, were of "pacific islander" descent (like hawaii, tonga, samoa, etc.). there are MANY cultural similarities between northwestern native americans, and polynesians in the s. pacific as well. also, there many natives in siberia who look JUST LIKE inuits/northwestern amerindians. there are even some natives of far-southeast asia, who look strikingly similar to amerindians.

[SPS148669]

Native Aymara South american came to Canada and I am Cree Native so I welcomed them with open arms as I don't considere them foreigners. I taped there preformance they did and uploaded it on here. The Asian-foreigner's should also get the boot as they a supremist like the whites.

[drez0822]

AZTECS +CHICAHUAC=CHICATIC!

[drez0822]

mihtoa inon mexica axcan oquichehualiztli zotlahualiztli achica nohuiyan !!!

[Owl559]

The Tongva, is that spoken is San Diego?

[agentc73]

NATIVE? Indigenous?

Ever here of GEOGRAPHY?

Rather sad.

You live in Mexico, hop a border, then proclaim, I'm Cherokee?

Lame ducks actually believe they can convince the educated world their racist fairy tales are fact.

[nicantlacaroots]

@agentc73 indigenous to the continent.with the right to migrate.

[anahuacwarrior]

whatever you say, gummy magoo.

[tuberpie68]

That old story of a migration from Siberia, has never been anything more than unproven speculation(see Jeffery Goodman's book, AMERICAN GENISIS). It, like so much else, has become part of white people's racist mythology, which has been developed to justify all of the evil perputrated upon the indigenous peoples.

[philomelodia]

Actually, I for one, have reason to believe in that old story somewhat. Recent linguistic studies have revealed a link between the last surviving member of a siberian language family with the extensive AThabaspak/athapaskan family mentioned in this lecture. Also, Mytochondrial DNA shows a very close genetic tie to eastern Sibrian peoples. There was a recent study done. Documentary on TV, in fact, featured Dineh elders at the end.

[philomelodia]

Continued. There are also Inuit-speaking people and Aleut-speaking peoples on the Siberian side of the Bering Sea. It changes nothing for me. We still found this place first and, unlike Europeans, we didn't take it from anyone since no human inhabitants were here at the time.

[tuberpie68]

philomelodia: I never doubted that SOME Native Americans were descended from migrants from Asia---it's migrating on the Bering Land Bridge that I deny. Again, see Goodman's AMERICAN GENESIS for a devastating treatment of that. Asian migrants in all probability came via the sea currant that flows from east Asian coast to west North American coast. If a tree falls on the Asian coast, rolls into the water, & an Asian hops aboard, & does nothing else, after a time, TBC

[tuberpie68]

he will be on tha west coast of America! Several shipwecked Asians washed up on the shores of the Pacific Northwest in early historical times. Also, the namesake islands of the Aleuts are almost a land bridge, without an Ice Age, & I think the Inuit expanded their homeland by expanding within the Artic area, which connects 3 continents. WHOEVER our ancestors WERE, & WHEREVER they came from, their descendents are the original people of this land & are the people known as Native Americans today!

[philomelodia]

Do you mean the Japanese Current? That's interesting. That would be a staggeringly long journey to make on primitive craft. The weather conditions would be very harsh. I boggle at the thought of kyakers making this trip. I'll check out the book. I've an open mind but, I gotta tell you, the landbridge makes sense to me because there'd be shelter on the way and game to hunt and no danger of sinking or falling afoul of storms and icebergs.

[philomelodia]

Another thing fueling my skepticism with regard to ancestral seafarers is the absolute lack of sailing ships on this continent before Contact. I'd find it easier to believe a theory involving rafters landing in the equatorial regions like the Pacific Islands were colonized. The Pacific northwest is harder for me to envision as a first arrival point if the journey was made by sea for the reasons I mentioned above. Again, I'll investigate the book you mentioned. I like to read.

[philomelodia]

Another crop that could've been used is pumpkins which are said to have originated in South America. Sweet potatoes, (camotli) also originated there and came north through migration and trade. A food that used to be huge in precolumbian times was amaranth Huauhtli in Nahuatl and Kiwicha in Quechua which, as you can imagine, spread wide. Chia is another one that was huge and it's still big in the southwest U.S. tribes but it's mostly forgotten in Mesoamerica in spite of placenames like CHIApas.

[tuberpie68]

philmelodia: thanks for your several very educated inputs!

[anahuacwarrior]

yes, philomelodia, you bring up very good points, which i might incorporate into future lectures. thanks.

[philomelodia]

YOu honor me. 

Maltiox.

[philomelodia]

Of course there were borders. There were Empires, city-states, townships, areas of land controled by tribes who considered it theirs and not someone else's and had an idea of where their land ended and someone else's began. They just weren't the borders Europeans imposed when they carved up this land.

[AnahuacNicanTlaca]

I agree with you. :)

[philomelodia]

Siberians aren't Europeans. They're not even what people normally think of as "asians." So, are you saying that Siberia is ours too? I like Siberia. Beautiful forests. Ever read what happened to native Siberians at the hands of the Russians (Europeans)?

[anahuacwarrior]

first it was african, now the olmec's have "asian characteristics"! can't you people get the story straight. by the way, you left out "martian" and the lost tribes of israel, too. all that baseless non-sense is a way of saying that "indians" are too stupid to have done any of this themselves. your name suits you well, you have no class.

[nicantlacaroots]

@anahuacwarrior so where do you think we nican tlaca came from?

[peopleofthecircle]

@anahuacwarrior We share many characteristics of Asiatics/ Polynessians (Mongoliod races), few with Caucasiod,Negroid, or Austroliod.

We have round heads, tend towards little body hair, and are BROWN.

You kind only makes dig in our heels - got over 500 years of practice!

[es1503]

I was present in this lecture, you can actually see me in the video.

It's very interesting and very true.

[tryingtobereal]

Amazing video

[tuberpie68]

If what you have said, here, actually makes sense to you, I feel sorry for you, & you could use some ginkgo biloba, a psychiatrist, &, of course, an education. But I doubt that you believe in it or even care about it, anyway. You, & other racists like you, just want to oppose any & all efforts of the indigenous peoples to free themselves.

[Owl559]

Excellent Video brother. Keep them comming.

[tuberpie68]

Very worthwhile vid, but it don't begin to let on the geo'l extent , & no. of pples who spoke an Uto-Aztecan lingo, incl. my Yaqui ancestors. Also, there were, & even now, on reservations, are, tribes of Apache Nation thru-out S/W. Navajos were 1 of them, 'till US invaded & cut

'Apache" out of "los Apaches del Navajo", & kept it that way ever since. Guess you only mentioned those 5 lingo fams. 'cause they are the biggest, but you could have at least mentioned how many lingo fams. there are.

[philomelodia]

Siouan wasn't mentioned either and it's big. Speakers from the Dakotas and South Canada south as far as Louisiana and east as far as Virginia. Lakota, Kansa, Hidatsa, Osage, Houma, Biluxi, and Catawba. I'll bet Coahokia (how's it spelled again?) spoke some form of Siouan.

[MEXIKAYOTL2012]

Tlazos for posting this up...

Great information!

[nauiocelotl]

The knowledge will help set us free .

[Goyathalay]

Amazing work!

There is so much knowledge, so beautiful.

Thank you brother Carlos.

[ceomeye]

Thanks Carlos!!

[BrownPrideX323]

Excellent good info thanks for putting it up

[daverod707]

Love it!!

[mexihcatlacatl]

! Amazing video !

[atlantepetl]

Great!!! very good the information

:-)

[acueyatlnopaltzin]

Exelent Icniuh thanks for up it

[AnahuacWomenFight]

Tlazocamati Brother for posting this! Very educational, motivational, liberating. Very professional and well organized.

:)

Citlalmina

[AnahuacNicanTlaca]

Very educational ***** :)