Airsoft ICS short Stoke M4 Pistol Mosfet Active Breaking Deans Connectors.

[HithardAirsoft]

you dont have to fill in the gap do you?

[romex88]

Shor stroke increased the ROF, but the FPS power is smaller. So you must install stronger sping to get back the FPS.

[7LAXATTACK7]

@large74 Holy mother mind making a video describing how you made it that quiet? I'm guessing sorbo, dynomat filled reciever, and PERFECT shimming are the main points?

[airsoftassasins]

Short stroking = not worth it. You can gain much more for that sacrifice in reliability. Of course it increases RoF, just not worth it. Running on a larger battery would give you better reliability and higher RoF.

But thanks for at least being somewhat intelligent on YT, so many people firing their guns on 9.6s and freaking out >.< painful.

[7LAXATTACK7]

@airsoftassasins Short stroking helps prevent premature engagement because the piston isn't drawn back as far and therefore has less distance to travel forward, making it readier quicker for the next drawback of the piston. Pre-engagement solved. :) There's a compromise of FPS drop versus RPS gain and that's something the shooter just has to live with.

[ryisfly1356]

its milliamp hour not mah

[large74]

@ryisfly1356

Milliamp hour in short its Milli -Amp-Hour MAH.

[patxfarm]

what kind of foregrip is that???

[large74]

@patxfarm

King arms

[puskajuss11]

Dude, your gun sounds like terryble...  How much you fuck up shimming and motor adjusting ?

[large74]

@puskajuss11

thank you, this was an old video, but thanks for the info.

[puskajuss11]

@large74 If yours shimmings are really much fuck uped it will break your gears faster than better shimmed gearbox :o

[large74]

@puskajuss11

Yea your right something I learned about two and a half years ago.

[large74]

@puskajuss11

I don't understand, what is uped? I have been running my ICS for over two and a half years and it is still running with out any problems.

[puskajuss11]

@large74 yes, but if your gears are loose and they go ''upsidedown'' they will break easyer than good shimmed gear...

[large74]

@puskajuss11

what do you mean if they go upside down, do you mean if I shoot my gun while I'm upside down? or if Im running upside down and shooting my gun right side up? Or doing a backflip in the air and shooting my gun?

[puskajuss11]

@large74 sorry, I speak bad english -.-..... But I just say if you don't even try to shim your AEG, gears will break faster..

[large74]

@puskajuss11

Oh by the way that same gun is still running with the same shimming and motor, that has been over 2 years with the same Job.

[puskajuss11]

@large74 yes, you have lucky, but next time try to shim it really good and try how good sound it can make ;)

[christower50]

Question when you remove 2 teeth on the piston do you have to remove 2 teeth from the sector gear?

[large74]

@christower50

Yes,

Whatever amount of teeth you remove from the piston should be the same amount you remove from the sector. I don't count the last two teeth before the pickup tooth.

[large74]

@TheXxTeAmHeAdShOtZxx

I used sorbothane (Sorbo Pads) you can buy this for McMaster-carr the part number is 8514K311. All you have to do is cut out the shape.

[KagaKiyomitsu]

@large74 is there enough space to put them on? Im buying an ICS here soon but wwant it to be quiet. Besides some Helical gears and such....if you can, could you show a video of how you did it. Would be much help to me if you can. If not its cool.

[large74]

@KagaKiyomitsu

Yes there is a enough space to put them on I can show you, sometime tonight I will make a video for you.

[gamewiz0070]

barely faster



[gamewiz0070]

u said hey guys just like bob from ASGI

[dollibee609]

next time you test your gun use the cruno...

[large74]

@dollibee609

Your right at the time I did not have a Chrono but only relied on tests from Airsoftplayground / Tac City.

[large74]

@alexfilley LOLOLOLOL

[cjbh1996]

@alexfilley You laughed at sexual references at age 5? You must've been one fucked up kid.

[tomfan180]

hey man i got a question for you i have a old ics m4 with the 2 piece barrel, idk if ics has changed that with the newer production ones but i was wanting to no can i put a one piece outer barrel on instead of the crap 2 piece. the outer barrel on mine is wobbly as hell!

[large74]

@tomfan180

Yes,

with some slight modification the ICS has this standard nub above the upper receiver. If you have a dremel you can take it off and then you can put any setup on it.

[JustintotheMao]

imo its not even that fast with 9.6v but if you drop a 11.1 20c lipo man that thing will rock

[ziodberg1]

Where can i buy good guns online? because i usually go to the store shortyusa but is mroe expensive then some sites. and airsoftgi has messed up 2 of my guns, Do you kno a good trusted place?

[BorkaBonum]

@ziodberg1

WGC.

[kevinthematthews]

you have the 2000 mah 9.6 4 stick battery in the foregrip of the m4?? tight fit?

[holahahaful]

but lower muzzle velocity.

[anthonycz10]

Can you send me the materials of how you mad this gun?

[large74]

@anthonycz10

sorry for not responding I have been pretty busy this past month. All Materials used were from the stock gun.

Mosfet

Stock Piston

Deans connectors

sorbo pads

and Bees Wax.

[Firexplorer1949]

@large74 i have watched so many of your videos and i just have to say that you are the airsoft guru. So let me ask you this. I have an ICS m4 Ris and i need to increase the rate of fire. ( i play in a CQB facility hear in Washington DC) . Because it being a CQB indoor facility there is a limit on FPs which is 300 . i have a 200$ budget and i am pretty good with tools..soldering and such.also i am buying a CQb conversion kit. . if we can stay in touch that would be great. Thanks

[large74]

@Firexplorer1949

No problem, just let me know I can hook you up with any advice.

[anthonycz10]

Can you give me a list of materials that you used to make this gun?

[iggysface]

sounds very whiny

[turkotmag]

Hey bro...i undersdand all what youd been talking about..I'm an engineer.I just dont like using technical words in here for public understanding. you might know a lot in your field but i'm sure i know something that you dont know..be cool alright.

[BurnNotice9er9er]

Nice vid.. and id say short stroke wins for CQB guns,.. definitely!. Do you have a Mosfet in the second gun also? I've tried them all, and have found the High Amp Active Braking mosfets on E-bay are the best so far. I think they are called Precise Tactical or something like that, they aren't the most expensive but they are rock solid. Try one of those suckers, they rock! Have them in all my guns. I also drill out my pistons "Swiss cheese" lol helps with weight and air movement.

[whysogrim]

Can someone please explain to me why a deans connector is better than a taimaya connector?

[large74]

@whysogrim good question.... deans are much better because the preasure that is created between the connectors with springs allows for less resistance. taimaya connectors just create contact to allow current to flow.

[venombite23]

nice bike!

[anthonycz10]

What kind of silencer do you have.

[large74]

@anthonycz10

king arms

[turkotmag]

well, thanks anyway for your time in research.mosfet here in my place cost about 20 dollars. and auto relays about half of it.I sitll prefers the auto relays. and I had been in the airsoft business for some times now.I repair and up grade all kinds of AEG as a hoby and Im good at it and enjoing it.. Its all a matter of opinions.Thanks bro...

[large74]

i understand if you dont know how to follow a schematic or solder it would cost alot. But. the cost is really cheap for mosfet 1.00 for the mosfet chip, 1.00 for 30k ohm resister, and 1.00 for a 100k ohm resister. thats a grand total of 3.00. if you add a 12 - 18 v diode to regulate the power/protect the mosfet then you are looking at an extra dollar for a grand total of 4.00. you check out radio shack for these parts.

[turkotmag]

I'm sure you"ll understand why i said that mosfei sucks. It really do sucks. I burned two of it already. The best alternative is the cheaper, compact and easy to install that also serves the same purpose.You guys can throw away those expensive hightech components.

[large74]

Relays are great for saving contacts and you are right they are cheap. My mosfet setup total cost is 8 dollars. how much is a realy? I check into a three prong and 5 prong they are about the same price I think.

[large74]

If you set up your resisters correctly, you should not have a problem. The ICS you see in this video has not been changed for since the making of this video. That is about 9 months ago. I think they are worth it to me.

[large74]

sorry one more thing mosfets are not expensive or hightech. Simple set up. Gate wire goes to one contact, Drain goes to the negative of the motor and the source goes to the negative of the battery. that is it. Unfortunately relays do not increase voltage nor do they increase rate of fire. They do how ever save your contacts. If this is what you are looking for the application is great.

[turkotmag]

you are absolutely right. what i'm saying is that, I prefers the car auto mini-relays switch than the mosfet. Imagine your car head lights using the auto relays switch, Cheaper, compact and easy to install. just give me your feed back after you tried it.

[large74]

No problem,

I will let you know what I think but I think that will be only after time. Since the only improvement will be saving the contacts. I think I might try that in conjunction with Darelington pairs

[turkotmag]

sure..i'll share it to all airsoft hobyist

[large74]

thx any help would be good. but i dont think a relay will help increase rof it will only save your contacs

[turkotmag]

Bro...auto mini-relay is better than mosfet..try it , Fantastic performance for Lipo bat....mosfet sucks!! it was designed on for stock batteries only.mosfet burns out at more than 10 sec, using 150 SP springs..anybody needs a diagram?

[large74]

send me the diagram i will test it out

[Curtofthehorde94]

where did you get that battery ?!?!?!?! airsplats out and i cant use my first gun without it >:|

[large74]

I get all my Lipo or Intellect Batteries from Hobby stores. There is no reason to over pay at Evike or Airsoftgi.

[large74]

Try Evike, Hobby People, AirsoftGi, or any hobby store. The prices are a little bit better.

[ceelowful]

i thouht the ics came with a 120 spring already

[large74]

CQB Pistol comes with M100

[large74]

I changed the spring

[ceelowful]

i have an ICS M4 CXP im running all torque - guarder torque up motor 140 spring deep fire full teeth pistons 11 v 2300 mah . the crazy thing is i never once had to change any wires nothing ever burnt out i did change to dean connectors . oh yeah i have no mosfets and the ROF is crazy

[large74]

in time your connectors will burn out.

[ceelowful]

im sure it will but its been about year and a half and yet ive just been changing springs ..

[ganymedeIV4]

sounds like a sewing machine.

getting flashbacks of my mom sewing patches to my pants every time your kiddo pulls the trigger lol.

[dudekdf]

alright thanks man.

[dudekdf]

and thats just with standerd out of the box gears?

[large74]

I only used what the AEG came with. I used all stock parts and I only modified the piston, sorbo pads, and changed the spring to an m100.

[large74]

yes

[dudekdf]

aye man, ive got an ics m4 with no upgrades or anything an was wondering if the gearbox could hold a 9.4v 2000mah battery without any harm to the gears or pistin. please respond back, thanks

[large74]

I run a 9.6 2200 Mah and a 7.4 Lipo with no problems to the gears. the only problem I had was with the piston. I solved that issue by short stroking the piston.

[OurenV2]

Why is your son black?

[large74]

Are you serious? He is my step son, and since I raise him he is my son and I love him with all my heart........ I hope your Dad feels the same for you no matter what.

[OurenV2]

I love my Dad.

[large74]

why is your Dad gay?

[kc7655]

i don't know why people are dancing around it. that rof is great, it also sounds really smooth. i don't know why people would question short stroking a piston for better rof. you can also short stroke your sector gear. nice video. nice gun.

[p90m92f]

you need to short stroke the sector gear or the piston will be released and still hit the remaining teeth on the sector gear. If your piston has several metal teeth near the front then you can remove teeth from the sector gear and not the piston at all.

[large74]

Your right my KWA is awsom but I like working on My ICS better. I guess it is just an opionion right?

[nitroaztecgold]

well ics is easier to work with because of the split gearbox design

[Comoteriyaki19]

your rear sight is backwards.

[DeAthZReApEr760]

Hey where did you buy your 9.6v 2000 mAh?

[MATT2productions]

probably radioshack

[DeAthZReApEr760]

Do they sell them at radioshack?

[MATT2productions]

Yeah

[large74]

No, They do not sell them at Radio Shack

[DeAthZReApEr760]

Ok.

So where do you buy it at?

[large74]

I like working on Guns and for me ICS is easy to work on. For durrability KWA is good and the price is just riight. In my opinion I would choose ICS over KWA because of the split gearbox design. This is excellent for indors. For outdoors I would go with the KWA

[coryppppp]

whats better an ics or kwa