All civil comments are welcome on my thread, however if you choose to insult people with vile and hateful language you will be removed and blocked!!!!
We may well disagree on this but, Farrakhan is VERY much a racist and an anti-semite!! His literal belief in the story of Yakub is one specific & fine indication of that.
@320: The Yakub story is a falsified & vitriolic lie!! It is nothing more than a justification for racism, anti-semitism, xenophobia, etc., including ...& truly, ad hominem attacks on specific individuals, such as Malcolm X himself.
Since the true definition of the word "nigger" is someone who is ignorant, stupid, etc., atypically with malicious intent, then this means that anyone who believes such bullshit is a nigger; ...
@SpookeyR The only B.S. I see is anything you post. There is NOTHING that's B.S. about what the Hon. Elijah Muhammad taught, and teaches through Min. Farrakhan. The ignorance is coming from you.
@CorneliousWard interesting little trick, make a comment asking for proof, but do so in a way that im dont know you made the comment. nothing new though.again, the proof is in farrakhan's own words, he claims hubbard is all these great things.promotes hubbard, etc. why would a person that was pro-black call someone who has made so many racist statements a genius?
@CorneliousWard if he was not anti-jewish, why would he promote someone who helped to fun and take over the largest holocaust denial newspaper in the world?shall i go on?
What is a passport? Do free people use this or do slaves still need permisssion to go from one place to another? "Wake up and stop sitting down on the job ."These are Farrakhan words to me in 1994 or 1995 and two other muslims. I must note he said it humorously but every word that the man of god speaks to us has signicance.
@CorneliousWard no offense meant, but a simple question about your statement. you said everything he says has significance? what about when he contradicts himself?i can show you examples of this.
@Originalman320 look back, it was posted, it even has a @your name there. first of all, you claim cowardice, what did i do to show any cowardice?i came here and tell it how i see it. i have not seen you go to my channel for example and say anything.you have yet to try to disprove anything that was said,in fact, you sort of reinforced what i said.now, as for you being a coward, in part reread this post and secondly, one of your own posts show it, instead if making it so i could see
@Originalman320 a reply from you, you decided to start another thread.unless you were afraid of what i had to say about your reply, why would you do that?
@Originalman320 then why were you afraid to post the reply you made where i could see it instead of trying to hide it?and funny how your trying to make a claim about me when you do not even know me.
@laladiel I deleted it because of a grammatical error, not because of I'm afraid of you. I attempted to rewrite the comment, but posting another one altogether. Quite frankly, you are no one to be afraid of. You have nothing that will inspire fear in me. No one other than Allah does.
@Originalman320 i didnt say anything about deleting a comment, i said that instead of posting a reply to me where i would be notified, you started a new thread. and as for you claiming to not be afraid, actions speak louder then words. your actions have shown fear.
@laladiel Please. You're nothing to be afraid of. I've death with far more knowledgeable people than you, and came on top. You're not even close to that level.
The reality is simply this:1) Prepare ourselves as black people to make a full exodus into a land that we can build and establish; 2) Stay in America and be fully intergrated into the society as it collapses with us in it, or 3) Continue to ignore the truth that standing right in front of us, embrace ignorance and die in disgrace! Consider all that our ancestors have suffered only so that we may have the opportunity to "GO FREE"
just want to bring up a few corrections. ADL did list more then a few of Farrakhan's quotes where it sounds very much like he was anti-Semitic, such as calling Jews satan at savior's day.about Gaddafi, before the armed conflict, he ordered his army to open fire on unarmed civilian protesters.as for the carriers, look at the area the country is in.theres alot happening around there.two wars and all.
@laladiel the movie thing, that sounds more of a personal opinion about the movie.some may like it, some may not.back to Farrakhan before i end my little rant.the stuff he is promoting and ordering the NOI people to do sort of tells me that not only could he be anti-Semitic and possibly anti-white, but that he could also be anti-black. i would be more then happy to show the proof if you would like to see it.thank you for your time.
@laladiel Your comment is beyond ludicrous. If you had proof of any kind, you'd have shown it from the beginning. But since there is no way to prove a lie, you can't show anything.
@Originalman320 ADL has proven two out of the three already, so i will show proof about how Farrakhan is anti-black.Farrakhan keeps pushing scientology onto the NOI, he keeps talking about how great he thinks hubbard was.in scientology's teachings hubbard talks about how, black people, in scientology's words, need to be supervised by whites otherwise they do not perform or just completely mess up.hubbard and scientology was a big supporter of apartheid as hubbard even sent letters praising
@laladiel the leaders for what they were doing.i can also point you to videos here on youtube where you can see and hear hubbard himself teaching scientology about how stupid he thought black people where, and now, Farrakhan is claiming hubbard the racist, in his mind was a great man?
@laladiel, Min Farrakhan is not pushing the NOI into scientology, we already have a religion and that is Islam. The NOI is employing the science of Dianetics which is the "science of the mind" and nothing more. As far as L Ron Hubbard being racist, I don't know about that. We just know that the white scientologists that we have encountered have not shown any sign of that which you speak of. You should know a bit more before you post.
@laladiel I would be angry too, if the devil continued to create or interupt positive discussion. You should shut up and go sit down somewhere. Read over what you have written, and see how absurd you appear. Who cares what hubbard thought. What you see in japan is coming to your front door. Speak of his greatness, not of man's weakness.
@cynnimin who are you calling the devil?and if you looked at the timing of the post, i simply corrected a few mistakes that were made in the video adding some constructive criticism, then get jumped on for it. as for who cares what hubbard though, Farrakhan seems to. he is selling out the NOI to a white supremacist hate group, and instead of looking into the group he is force feeding the NOI, the members seem to be following the carrot in front of their nose.
@cynnimin and the way he introduced it doesnt really sound like he sees the members of the NOI as his "brothers" i mean, he pretty much said "do as i say or be punished". doesnt that sound familiar at all?are you threatening me with that bit you said about Japan?first of all, threats dont work with me, just ask the scientologists.secondly, bad taste bringing up whats going on in Japan right now.and as i have said before, i do not take orders, i have just as much right as any to speak.
@laladiel Farrakhan anti- Blackman wow now that is a concept. Someone who teaches the blackman is God I don't think so, however I do think he is anti-wickness if that's what you are you should destroy yourself now before Farrakhan's God COMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@CorneliousWard wickness?as for him being anti-black, he has aligned himself with a white-supremacist group,he has called a white man who was well known to be racist against Black,Asians, and actually opened fire on Mexico during World War II a genius.
@Originalman320 what one of the quotes was not quoted correctly and what one were lies?and if they were lies, why hasnt it been taken to court to be made right?
@Originalman320 if you want more proof about what Farrakhan is feeding the NOI, i have a video up with hubbard's quotes and where in scientology "teachings" you would be able to find it. lastly, no, i will not shut up.for one, i dont take orders, secondly, i have every right to speak just as you and anyone else does.
@laladiel You have a right to speak only what you know. It's clear that you know nothing about the subject (Min. Farrakhan) that you comment on. I only count a few people that know more about him than me. That's his family, and his long time helpers. You definitely don't fall into either category. category.
@laladiel IS JESUS ANTISEMITIC Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
@tuftalk you didnt read the quote before you posted it, did you?plus you got it wrong. Rev 3:9 "I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars--I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you." he was not talking about Jews, he was talking about people who claim to be Jewish as the quote states.
@tuftalk uhh exactly the jews as we see and know them today are not really "jews" their the ones who claim to be and are not. Jesus knew who they were and was calling them out for being impostors.
@laladiel, the quotes that they use to accuse Min Farrakhan of anti-semitism are ALWAYS taken out of context or are outright lies. For instance, "Judaism is a gutter religion" a quote that they say came from the Minister on the Donahue Show NEVER was said. You can search the tape and the transcript but you will never find where he said that. And the "Satanic Jew" statement made at Saviours' Day was made in reference to Jews who own movie studios, record companies etc. who distribute/sell materia
@brothaherm1 have not heard about the "gutter" statement actually, but after seeing your comment i did look it up. it was not on Donahue, it was in an interview in the Chicago Sun Times, Farrakhan admitting to saying it, but claimed he meant in Israel.not the ones who own movie studios and record companies.the "satan" statement from him also came from just a few days ago in the same speech where he threatened Obama about if the U.S. helps Libya and made refrence to "Zionists"
@Originalman320 oh, if you have the tape, then you know what im talking about. if as you say something is wrong, then why not clear it up and tell us what was said?
@laladiel Well the common lie is that he said "Judaism is gutter religion". He said Israel used the name of God to shield their DIRTY religion under His Holy and Righteous name. He was referring to Israel's practice of injustice, thievery lying and deceit. Judaism was not even mentioned in the ENTIRE lecture.
@Originalman320 what is the state recognized religion of Israel?and if that is "their religion" what other one of "their religion" would he be talking about?quick clue.
@laladiel Listen, idiot. He was not talking about their PROFESSED religion. He was talking about their actual practice. They were/are using their professed religion as a shield for their dirty practice in the name of God. So tell me again that damned lie.
@Originalman320 actually, farrakahn was saying that they were "using the name of god to shield your dirty religion". also, i have not tried to be forceful with you, i have not tried to insult you, how about returning that?before you bring up me calling out your cowardly actions, please remember, they are right here on this wall,people have to go no further for the proof.
@laladiel You apparently didn't try hard enough. If you read what I wrote, that's what the message i was trying to get over to you. I'm anything but a coward. I just am tired of wasting my time on people that are not just stuck on ignorant, but glued to it with crazy glue.
@laladiel You have been insulting from the beginning. I already stated my case. But what I say is falling on deaf ears. The fact that I'm an authority on Min. Farrakhan by the fact that I've studied him for almost 22 years, and being a follower under him for 21 make me an authority. The fact that you told what I KNOW, not feel are lies about the man makes me fight hard with the truth.
@Originalman320 how have i been insulting?im going by his words and actions. i am going by farrakhan himself.but if you claim to be an authority on him, then perhaps you can explain why farrakhan would praise a white supremacist so much?
@laladiel By the way, there are Christians that also practice a dirty religion. They brought us into slavery, continue to deprive Black people of freedom justice and equality. They burn down churches that are predominantly Black. Tell me that's not a dirty religion. So called Muslims have practiced a dirty religion as well. Many of them used Arab culture posing it as Islam depriving women of their rights. I can go on and on.
@Originalman320 first off, theres no real "dirty religion" as you and farrakah seem to claim, just people who use their power for bad and claim religious protection such as scientology has tried to do and such as farrakhan had tried to do with the death of Malcolm X. lets start with your claim about Muslims, shall we?you are speaking of the same ones that farrakhan calls friends?gaddafi for example tried to suppress his people by having his military shoot them for protesting.
@laladiel That's exactly what "dirty religion" means. It means that use their dirty practice with the cover of the revealed word of God. I was saying that all along. I shouldn't even dignify that remark about Malcolm remark with a response. Min. Farrakhan had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the death of Malcolm. By the way, they weren't "peaceful protesters". They were armed just like Col. Qadaffi's people were. Stop believing the lies of CNN.
@Originalman320 no, when someone says "dirty religion" it usually means something like how the nazis seen the Jews. like, subhuman or anti-civil, blaming the religion for the wrong doings when theres no real proof.about Malcolm X's death, you say farrakhan had nothing to do with it, yet, farrakhan's own words say otherwise, did you hear the speech he made when the people who did the dirty work were caught?did you watch the more recent interview with him and Malcolm X's daughter?
@laladiel You're damned right Min. Farrakhan had nothing to do with Malcolm's murder. I saw every talk Min. Farrakha did on Malcolm's murder and NOTHING shows that he did it. I already explained what the term "dirty religion" meant. If you can't accept it, it's YOUR problem, not mine.
@Originalman320 i thought you had nothing left to say to me?but anyway, his words about Malcolm X's murder was "the U.S. handles its criminals and traitors, let us handle ours". sound familiar at all?then there is the interview he did with Malcolm X's daughter, did you see that one?
@laladiel It's clear that you have a certain view on Min. Farrakhan that is opposed to the actual facts on the man. I have more knowledge on the man than you. Nothing I say will change your view on him. Quite frankly I think you're only here for mischief.
@Originalman320 again, your making claims you can not quiet back up, you do not know who i am nor what i know, yet claim to know more about something?and no, my view on him comes from his own actions and statements.
@Originalman320 before the fighting started he ordered his men to shoot the protesters, then shoot at the funerals of those who died.and who is actually depriving black people anything?the only people trying to are stupid racists without the power to do so. black people have the same rights as anyone else.and if you want to bring up historical wrongs, heres a little heads up, my people were forced to live on a small plot of land and hunted into near extinction,
@laladiel Really? Black people are still being treated like criminals. We are shot at for the flimsiest reasons. We're still deprived of our rights as human beings. You have to be either blind not to see it. As for your people, at least you have knowledge of your culture, and your history. Our people were deprived the right to know our true names, our language, and culture. We were, and still are taught a diet of self hatred.
@Originalman320 so bad cops = everyone now?i do not see rights being deprived.can you give some examples?as for culture and history, you mean the culture and history that was nearly wiped out?the culture and history my people were nearly wiped out for?look up the ghost dance.or what about where the children of Native Americans were taken from there parents, put with white parents and forced to only speak english?
@laladiel Black people as a whole were forced to speak English. I guess you left that part out. You either are too blind to see it or just plain don't give a damn. I'm done with you.
@Originalman320 so were Native Americans, you seem to be under the idea that Black people were treated worse then anyone, im simply pointing out that lots of people have been wronged in many ways.
@laladiel They not only forced us to speak English, they killed all that would be able to teach Black people their native tongues. I don't know if you know it, but English, Spanish, and French is not Black people's native language. Our culture WAS wiped out for centuries. We had NOTHING of culture to call our own. I'm done now, and don't respond to me.
@Originalman320 your culture was not wiped out, you can still learn your language. the culture is still there, the language, is still there.if you dont believe me, simply open national geographic explorer, google the African culture you wish to learn about. the Native Americans?the language was so close to death it was used as a code during World War II and was so unknown that the Germans and Japanese couldnt figure out what was being said.
@laladiel it was white-people, who wiped out the native-americans culture....and also wiped out the africa-culture from the minds of the african-americans.......
@kemetkush i actually meant what did you mean by the question. anyway, going through history, people tried to eliminate other peoples, didnt matter if they were black white brown or yellow. they just tried to wipe them out. examples would be the Moors invading Italy and Spain, when the English invaded France, and Zulu take over other other tribes and lands.
@kemetkush thats a rather racist and uninformed statement.shall we get back to the subject though?was my statement correct about NOI believing that the "white man" was created by a "black man"?
and as i said, for me, people are people, no matter what color or sex, its their choices and actions that make them good or bad, not their skin.
@laladiel name another race who try to wiped out the..... red-man, black-man, brown-man and yellow-man....no other race but the white-race came to earth to kill the human-family.
@kemetkush they have tried to wipe themselves out as well, how many African tribes have been wiped out by other African tribes?Native Americans same thing, perhaps not on such a grand scale at one time.actually same goes with all of them, it was the Spanish that tried to wipe out the Aztecs.not only have they tried to wipe themselves out, they have tried to wipe each other out.but as with white people, its not the fault of all members of that race.now, can you answer my question?
@kemetkush by your logic, so is everyone else, as stated, Asians have tried to wipe each other out, as have Native Americans, Spanish Peoples, and Africans.
@kemet: "have the asians, africans, native americans, are arabs tried to wipe out europeans????"
No, they have not! Although white supremacists would say that they have tried to do just that by race mixing, multiculturalism, cultural diversity, & in colleges & universities with certain courses, such as Native American Studies, African American Studies, Asian American Studies, etc.
@Originalman320 or people being payed for each Native American being killed?oh, i can go on, if you wish to use all Native Americans, lets go with the Aztecs, why not ask one of them about their how their ancestors built their pyramids? as for learning your history and language, do you really want to try to say its harder for you to learn yours then me to learn mine?really?when you have an entire continent that you can learn from and my people are well, not as vast and in some cases,non-existent
@laladiel We were injected with syphilis an were not allowed BY LAW to be treated. I'm done talking with you. No further response is required, or desired from you.
@Originalman320 it was the law that we were hunted, and the blankets were just one example, there was a plan to inject captured Native Americans with smallpox and send them back to their people, the Spanish hunted Native Americans with dogs,have you ever heard of "the trail of tears"?
@laladiel Yes of course I have. But you minimize what Black people went through, like what we went through was nothing. We're still being deprived of justice. But you think everything is peaches and creme with Black people. I could call the role of cases where Black men were shot down over B.S. even at this hour.
@Originalman320 im not minimizing anything, you seem to think Black people have gone through more then anyone else. are Black people basically kept on a confined bit of land unless they have proper paperwork?and to let you know, Whites, Asians, Native Americans, etc. get shot by cops also.their called bad cops who get a little power and let it go to their heads.
@brothaherm1 lastly, i want to thank you for your reply.it has been nice talking with you, and hope to again sometime, under hopefully better circumstances though.
@laladiel, ls that would offend ANY person who believes in God or has a sense of morality. I could give you many more examples. Regarding Col Qadhafi, I really don't believe ANYTHING the corporate controlled media says about a friend of the NOI. For your Information Muammar Qadhafi came to power in a "bloodless coup" over 40 years ago and nationalized the oil of Libya so that his people could benefit fro their own country's resources. He also is a fervent supporter of liberation movements all
over the world including the Palestinians. He is loved by Africa and oppressed people every where. The movie was whack and that is my personal opinion. I don't like to see demeaning images of Black men especially being perpetrated by a so-called Black man. I challenge you to listen to any of Min Farrakhan's speeches in their entirety and find something that is untrue. Peace
@brothaherm1 i have not seen the movie yet, so i dont have an opinion about it, i have only seen a few of his t.v. shows and thought they were somewhat funny, seen him in a small part of the new Star Trek movie as sort of a judge, and seen them making fun of him on Boondocks. i have listened to some of the speeches, and i have found quiet a few things untrue.one such was about the death of Malcolm X.he called Malcolm X a traitor.he was not, he just had a different point of view where everyone
@brothaherm1 should get along.i actually agree that everyone should learn to live together instead of all this fighting.does that make me a traitor to anyone?as for hubbard. as i said, he told the people at i think it was a saviors day get together, that if they i think he called them laborers or anyone else did not take the scientology courses, they were pretty much done.rather sinister look on his face when he put that out there also.
@brothaherm1 and when Farrakhan starts claiming how wonderful hubbard was after hubbard broke up families, threatened people, the racist stuff he spewed out, the anti-muslim stuff built into scientology, the bigoted hate built into co$ by its leader.if you like, i can send you a great deal about it with sources from co$ and hubbard himself to show im being completely honest with you.it may start out taking a few courses, but thats how it starts, then they will say
@brothaherm1 "oh you have this wrong, but we can help" and/or "oh, you came this far, and seemed to enjoy it, why not try this course also?" or things like that. and yes, they may seem nice to you, but tell me, isnt a used car salesmen nice to you when your buying a lemon from them?also, i would like to make a correction to one of my earlier statements, the "satan" comment might have been made at another location as well, and you may be right about the meaning then, but was not the only time.
@brothaherm1 there is an old saying "power corrupts".and while i agree with you about big media, it wasnt just big media that was talking about it. there was video from within Libya showing the "friend of the NOI" doing some rather oppressive things such as having his military shooting unarmed civilians, shooting at people at funerals, etc.. or before that, he was a supporter of Slobodan Milosevic.the genocidal dictator from Yugoslavia.the list goes on.
@laladiel, as a Laborer I know exactly what the instructions the Minister gave are and they aren't nearly as sinister as you imply. As members of the NOI I can assure you that we aren't compelled to do anything that we don't want to and everyone who helps Minister Farrakhan in any way does so voluntarily and that includes any course of study that may be offered. You obviously don't know how the NOI works. As far as Qadhafi goes, I don't care what the enemy of my people says about him. As Min
@brothaherm1 were his words something along the lines of "i expect each of you to sign up for these courses, and if you do not, you will be thanked for your service and told to sit down"?i am noone's enemy as long as they do not try to harm another person or force others to do things against their will.that is why i fight co$. for their disconnection policy, for their "r2-45" policy, their "fair game" policy, their protection of people like tony strawn, etc.
Farrakhan said during his SD 2011 address, name 1 leader who has 100% of the support and love of his people? You nor I can name one and every nation including America has the blood of it's own citizens on it's hands. I don't have to name the atrocities that America has committed against it's citizenry, yet we don't see any other nation's navy sitting in the Atlantic or Pacific waiting to unseat our leadership like America is off the coast of Libya right now! Like I said about Hubbard, I already
@brothaherm1 i know that the U.S. government is not the most honorable group around, while we may have different reasons to not be pleased with it, we agree that it really needs to get its act together.but there are laws in place that if someone in the government messes up really bad, they can be removed from power and tried. Nixon is an example of this, if it were not for Ford giving him a presidential pardon.as for the navy, as i said, they are there for the wars the U.S. has in the region.
@Originalman320 funny how farrakhan says all these bad things about American and claims Americans are horrible people, and you back him up, while he remains an American citizen.is he trying to say something about himself?
have a religion and that is Islam. We are using the technology of Dianetics alone and you don't have to warn us about slick car salesman or charlatans. We have been the victim of the slickest of them all beginning with when we were brought here nearly 500 years ago. We have a saying in the in the NOI, "Can a devil fool a Muslim?" the answer....."Not nowadays!" Peace
@brothaherm1 l ron hubbard himself stated that "scientology is not a religion", so im not really worried about multiple religions. anyone can be fooled im just trying to make sure that people look at both sides before making a decision based off some false information they were given. you dont have to take my word for it if you dont wish to, i am just giving some of what i know, and you can look into it to see i am being truthful if you like.one thing you may wish to look into, "tr lie"
All civil comments are welcome on my thread, however if you choose to insult people with vile and hateful language you will be removed and blocked!!!!
brothaherm1 8 months ago
@kemet:
We may well disagree on this but, Farrakhan is VERY much a racist and an anti-semite!! His literal belief in the story of Yakub is one specific & fine indication of that.
SpookeyR 8 months ago
@SpookeyR The Yacub story is the truth. Your people have problems with the truth.
Originalman320 8 months ago
@320: The Yakub story is a falsified & vitriolic lie!! It is nothing more than a justification for racism, anti-semitism, xenophobia, etc., including ...& truly, ad hominem attacks on specific individuals, such as Malcolm X himself.
Since the true definition of the word "nigger" is someone who is ignorant, stupid, etc., atypically with malicious intent, then this means that anyone who believes such bullshit is a nigger; ...
SpookeyR 8 months ago
@SpookeyR The only B.S. I see is anything you post. There is NOTHING that's B.S. about what the Hon. Elijah Muhammad taught, and teaches through Min. Farrakhan. The ignorance is coming from you.
Originalman320 8 months ago
You strain at a nat and swollow a whale
CorneliousWard 9 months ago
Ok show the proof to the world about Farrakhan so we can overstand you.
CorneliousWard 11 months ago
@CorneliousWard interesting little trick, make a comment asking for proof, but do so in a way that im dont know you made the comment. nothing new though.again, the proof is in farrakhan's own words, he claims hubbard is all these great things.promotes hubbard, etc. why would a person that was pro-black call someone who has made so many racist statements a genius?
laladiel 11 months ago
@CorneliousWard if he was not anti-jewish, why would he promote someone who helped to fun and take over the largest holocaust denial newspaper in the world?shall i go on?
laladiel 11 months ago
What is a passport? Do free people use this or do slaves still need permisssion to go from one place to another? "Wake up and stop sitting down on the job ."These are Farrakhan words to me in 1994 or 1995 and two other muslims. I must note he said it humorously but every word that the man of god speaks to us has signicance.
CorneliousWard 11 months ago
@CorneliousWard no offense meant, but a simple question about your statement. you said everything he says has significance? what about when he contradicts himself?i can show you examples of this.
laladiel 11 months ago
@laladiel Go ahead and show your "proof" of your statements. If you had any, you'd have presented it a long time ago.
Originalman320 11 months ago
@Originalman320 i did even though your cowardly attempt to try and stop it from going through.
laladiel 11 months ago
@laladiel You have shown nothing, and unlike you, I'm not a coward.
Originalman320 11 months ago
@Originalman320 look back, it was posted, it even has a @your name there. first of all, you claim cowardice, what did i do to show any cowardice?i came here and tell it how i see it. i have not seen you go to my channel for example and say anything.you have yet to try to disprove anything that was said,in fact, you sort of reinforced what i said.now, as for you being a coward, in part reread this post and secondly, one of your own posts show it, instead if making it so i could see
laladiel 11 months ago
@Originalman320 a reply from you, you decided to start another thread.unless you were afraid of what i had to say about your reply, why would you do that?
laladiel 11 months ago
@laladiel Please, you have absolutely NOTHING for me to be afraid of. Unlike you, I actually have a life, and am not on Youtube 24-7.
Originalman320 11 months ago
@Originalman320 then why were you afraid to post the reply you made where i could see it instead of trying to hide it?and funny how your trying to make a claim about me when you do not even know me.
laladiel 11 months ago
@laladiel I deleted it because of a grammatical error, not because of I'm afraid of you. I attempted to rewrite the comment, but posting another one altogether. Quite frankly, you are no one to be afraid of. You have nothing that will inspire fear in me. No one other than Allah does.
Originalman320 11 months ago
@Originalman320 i didnt say anything about deleting a comment, i said that instead of posting a reply to me where i would be notified, you started a new thread. and as for you claiming to not be afraid, actions speak louder then words. your actions have shown fear.
laladiel 11 months ago
@laladiel Please. You're nothing to be afraid of. I've death with far more knowledgeable people than you, and came on top. You're not even close to that level.
Originalman320 11 months ago
@Originalman320 then why did you do such a cowardly action?and again, your making a claim you can not back up.
laladiel 11 months ago
The reality is simply this:1) Prepare ourselves as black people to make a full exodus into a land that we can build and establish; 2) Stay in America and be fully intergrated into the society as it collapses with us in it, or 3) Continue to ignore the truth that standing right in front of us, embrace ignorance and die in disgrace! Consider all that our ancestors have suffered only so that we may have the opportunity to "GO FREE"
locks4never 11 months ago
just want to bring up a few corrections. ADL did list more then a few of Farrakhan's quotes where it sounds very much like he was anti-Semitic, such as calling Jews satan at savior's day.about Gaddafi, before the armed conflict, he ordered his army to open fire on unarmed civilian protesters.as for the carriers, look at the area the country is in.theres alot happening around there.two wars and all.
laladiel 11 months ago
@laladiel the movie thing, that sounds more of a personal opinion about the movie.some may like it, some may not.back to Farrakhan before i end my little rant.the stuff he is promoting and ordering the NOI people to do sort of tells me that not only could he be anti-Semitic and possibly anti-white, but that he could also be anti-black. i would be more then happy to show the proof if you would like to see it.thank you for your time.
laladiel 11 months ago
@laladiel Your comment is beyond ludicrous. If you had proof of any kind, you'd have shown it from the beginning. But since there is no way to prove a lie, you can't show anything.
Originalman320 11 months ago
@Originalman320 ADL has proven two out of the three already, so i will show proof about how Farrakhan is anti-black.Farrakhan keeps pushing scientology onto the NOI, he keeps talking about how great he thinks hubbard was.in scientology's teachings hubbard talks about how, black people, in scientology's words, need to be supervised by whites otherwise they do not perform or just completely mess up.hubbard and scientology was a big supporter of apartheid as hubbard even sent letters praising
laladiel 11 months ago
@laladiel the leaders for what they were doing.i can also point you to videos here on youtube where you can see and hear hubbard himself teaching scientology about how stupid he thought black people where, and now, Farrakhan is claiming hubbard the racist, in his mind was a great man?
laladiel 11 months ago
@laladiel, Min Farrakhan is not pushing the NOI into scientology, we already have a religion and that is Islam. The NOI is employing the science of Dianetics which is the "science of the mind" and nothing more. As far as L Ron Hubbard being racist, I don't know about that. We just know that the white scientologists that we have encountered have not shown any sign of that which you speak of. You should know a bit more before you post.
brothaherm1 11 months ago
@Originalman320 lastly, why so angry from the start?calm discussions usually go a lot better for everyone.
laladiel 11 months ago
@laladiel I would be angry too, if the devil continued to create or interupt positive discussion. You should shut up and go sit down somewhere. Read over what you have written, and see how absurd you appear. Who cares what hubbard thought. What you see in japan is coming to your front door. Speak of his greatness, not of man's weakness.
cynnimin 11 months ago
@cynnimin who are you calling the devil?and if you looked at the timing of the post, i simply corrected a few mistakes that were made in the video adding some constructive criticism, then get jumped on for it. as for who cares what hubbard though, Farrakhan seems to. he is selling out the NOI to a white supremacist hate group, and instead of looking into the group he is force feeding the NOI, the members seem to be following the carrot in front of their nose.
laladiel 11 months ago
@cynnimin and the way he introduced it doesnt really sound like he sees the members of the NOI as his "brothers" i mean, he pretty much said "do as i say or be punished". doesnt that sound familiar at all?are you threatening me with that bit you said about Japan?first of all, threats dont work with me, just ask the scientologists.secondly, bad taste bringing up whats going on in Japan right now.and as i have said before, i do not take orders, i have just as much right as any to speak.
laladiel 11 months ago
@laladiel Farrakhan anti- Blackman wow now that is a concept. Someone who teaches the blackman is God I don't think so, however I do think he is anti-wickness if that's what you are you should destroy yourself now before Farrakhan's God COMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CorneliousWard 9 months ago
@CorneliousWard wickness?as for him being anti-black, he has aligned himself with a white-supremacist group,he has called a white man who was well known to be racist against Black,Asians, and actually opened fire on Mexico during World War II a genius.
laladiel 9 months ago
@laladiel ADL listed MISquotes and outright lies. Now either bring your so called proof, or shut up.
Originalman320 11 months ago
@Originalman320 what one of the quotes was not quoted correctly and what one were lies?and if they were lies, why hasnt it been taken to court to be made right?
laladiel 11 months ago
@Originalman320 if you want more proof about what Farrakhan is feeding the NOI, i have a video up with hubbard's quotes and where in scientology "teachings" you would be able to find it. lastly, no, i will not shut up.for one, i dont take orders, secondly, i have every right to speak just as you and anyone else does.
laladiel 11 months ago
@laladiel You have a right to speak only what you know. It's clear that you know nothing about the subject (Min. Farrakhan) that you comment on. I only count a few people that know more about him than me. That's his family, and his long time helpers. You definitely don't fall into either category. category.
Originalman320 11 months ago
@laladiel IS JESUS ANTISEMITIC Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
tuftalk 11 months ago
@tuftalk you didnt read the quote before you posted it, did you?plus you got it wrong. Rev 3:9 "I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars--I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you." he was not talking about Jews, he was talking about people who claim to be Jewish as the quote states.
laladiel 11 months ago
@tuftalk uhh exactly the jews as we see and know them today are not really "jews" their the ones who claim to be and are not. Jesus knew who they were and was calling them out for being impostors.
tuftalk 11 months ago
@tuftalk you are aware the bible was not written recently, right?
laladiel 11 months ago
@laladiel, the quotes that they use to accuse Min Farrakhan of anti-semitism are ALWAYS taken out of context or are outright lies. For instance, "Judaism is a gutter religion" a quote that they say came from the Minister on the Donahue Show NEVER was said. You can search the tape and the transcript but you will never find where he said that. And the "Satanic Jew" statement made at Saviours' Day was made in reference to Jews who own movie studios, record companies etc. who distribute/sell materia
brothaherm1 11 months ago
@brothaherm1 have not heard about the "gutter" statement actually, but after seeing your comment i did look it up. it was not on Donahue, it was in an interview in the Chicago Sun Times, Farrakhan admitting to saying it, but claimed he meant in Israel.not the ones who own movie studios and record companies.the "satan" statement from him also came from just a few days ago in the same speech where he threatened Obama about if the U.S. helps Libya and made refrence to "Zionists"
laladiel 11 months ago
@laladiel Sir or maam. Min. Farrakhan denied EVER saying the "Gutter religion" remark. I know he didn't say it because I have the tape.
Originalman320 11 months ago
@Originalman320 oh, if you have the tape, then you know what im talking about. if as you say something is wrong, then why not clear it up and tell us what was said?
laladiel 11 months ago
@laladiel Well the common lie is that he said "Judaism is gutter religion". He said Israel used the name of God to shield their DIRTY religion under His Holy and Righteous name. He was referring to Israel's practice of injustice, thievery lying and deceit. Judaism was not even mentioned in the ENTIRE lecture.
Originalman320 11 months ago
@Originalman320 what is the state recognized religion of Israel?and if that is "their religion" what other one of "their religion" would he be talking about?quick clue.
laladiel 11 months ago
@laladiel Listen, idiot. He was not talking about their PROFESSED religion. He was talking about their actual practice. They were/are using their professed religion as a shield for their dirty practice in the name of God. So tell me again that damned lie.
Originalman320 11 months ago
@Originalman320 actually, farrakahn was saying that they were "using the name of god to shield your dirty religion". also, i have not tried to be forceful with you, i have not tried to insult you, how about returning that?before you bring up me calling out your cowardly actions, please remember, they are right here on this wall,people have to go no further for the proof.
laladiel 11 months ago
@laladiel You apparently didn't try hard enough. If you read what I wrote, that's what the message i was trying to get over to you. I'm anything but a coward. I just am tired of wasting my time on people that are not just stuck on ignorant, but glued to it with crazy glue.
Originalman320 11 months ago
@Originalman320 more insults instead of making an argument?
laladiel 11 months ago
@laladiel You have been insulting from the beginning. I already stated my case. But what I say is falling on deaf ears. The fact that I'm an authority on Min. Farrakhan by the fact that I've studied him for almost 22 years, and being a follower under him for 21 make me an authority. The fact that you told what I KNOW, not feel are lies about the man makes me fight hard with the truth.
Originalman320 11 months ago
@Originalman320 how have i been insulting?im going by his words and actions. i am going by farrakhan himself.but if you claim to be an authority on him, then perhaps you can explain why farrakhan would praise a white supremacist so much?
laladiel 11 months ago
@laladiel By the way, there are Christians that also practice a dirty religion. They brought us into slavery, continue to deprive Black people of freedom justice and equality. They burn down churches that are predominantly Black. Tell me that's not a dirty religion. So called Muslims have practiced a dirty religion as well. Many of them used Arab culture posing it as Islam depriving women of their rights. I can go on and on.
Originalman320 11 months ago
@Originalman320 first off, theres no real "dirty religion" as you and farrakah seem to claim, just people who use their power for bad and claim religious protection such as scientology has tried to do and such as farrakhan had tried to do with the death of Malcolm X. lets start with your claim about Muslims, shall we?you are speaking of the same ones that farrakhan calls friends?gaddafi for example tried to suppress his people by having his military shoot them for protesting.
laladiel 11 months ago
@laladiel That's exactly what "dirty religion" means. It means that use their dirty practice with the cover of the revealed word of God. I was saying that all along. I shouldn't even dignify that remark about Malcolm remark with a response. Min. Farrakhan had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the death of Malcolm. By the way, they weren't "peaceful protesters". They were armed just like Col. Qadaffi's people were. Stop believing the lies of CNN.
Originalman320 11 months ago
@Originalman320 no, when someone says "dirty religion" it usually means something like how the nazis seen the Jews. like, subhuman or anti-civil, blaming the religion for the wrong doings when theres no real proof.about Malcolm X's death, you say farrakhan had nothing to do with it, yet, farrakhan's own words say otherwise, did you hear the speech he made when the people who did the dirty work were caught?did you watch the more recent interview with him and Malcolm X's daughter?
laladiel 11 months ago
@laladiel You're damned right Min. Farrakhan had nothing to do with Malcolm's murder. I saw every talk Min. Farrakha did on Malcolm's murder and NOTHING shows that he did it. I already explained what the term "dirty religion" meant. If you can't accept it, it's YOUR problem, not mine.
Originalman320 11 months ago
@Originalman320 i thought you had nothing left to say to me?but anyway, his words about Malcolm X's murder was "the U.S. handles its criminals and traitors, let us handle ours". sound familiar at all?then there is the interview he did with Malcolm X's daughter, did you see that one?
laladiel 11 months ago
@laladiel It's clear that you have a certain view on Min. Farrakhan that is opposed to the actual facts on the man. I have more knowledge on the man than you. Nothing I say will change your view on him. Quite frankly I think you're only here for mischief.
Originalman320 11 months ago
@Originalman320 again, your making claims you can not quiet back up, you do not know who i am nor what i know, yet claim to know more about something?and no, my view on him comes from his own actions and statements.
laladiel 11 months ago
@Originalman320 they supplied pictures, do you have any proof?
laladiel 11 months ago
@laladiel Pictures of what?
Originalman320 11 months ago
@Originalman320 the protests, there were pics, video, audio.
laladiel 11 months ago
@Originalman320 before the fighting started he ordered his men to shoot the protesters, then shoot at the funerals of those who died.and who is actually depriving black people anything?the only people trying to are stupid racists without the power to do so. black people have the same rights as anyone else.and if you want to bring up historical wrongs, heres a little heads up, my people were forced to live on a small plot of land and hunted into near extinction,
laladiel 11 months ago
@laladiel Really? Black people are still being treated like criminals. We are shot at for the flimsiest reasons. We're still deprived of our rights as human beings. You have to be either blind not to see it. As for your people, at least you have knowledge of your culture, and your history. Our people were deprived the right to know our true names, our language, and culture. We were, and still are taught a diet of self hatred.
Originalman320 11 months ago
@Originalman320 so bad cops = everyone now?i do not see rights being deprived.can you give some examples?as for culture and history, you mean the culture and history that was nearly wiped out?the culture and history my people were nearly wiped out for?look up the ghost dance.or what about where the children of Native Americans were taken from there parents, put with white parents and forced to only speak english?
laladiel 11 months ago
@laladiel Black people as a whole were forced to speak English. I guess you left that part out. You either are too blind to see it or just plain don't give a damn. I'm done with you.
Originalman320 11 months ago
@Originalman320 so were Native Americans, you seem to be under the idea that Black people were treated worse then anyone, im simply pointing out that lots of people have been wronged in many ways.
laladiel 11 months ago
@laladiel They not only forced us to speak English, they killed all that would be able to teach Black people their native tongues. I don't know if you know it, but English, Spanish, and French is not Black people's native language. Our culture WAS wiped out for centuries. We had NOTHING of culture to call our own. I'm done now, and don't respond to me.
Originalman320 11 months ago
@Originalman320 your culture was not wiped out, you can still learn your language. the culture is still there, the language, is still there.if you dont believe me, simply open national geographic explorer, google the African culture you wish to learn about. the Native Americans?the language was so close to death it was used as a code during World War II and was so unknown that the Germans and Japanese couldnt figure out what was being said.
laladiel 11 months ago
@laladiel so black-people, wiped out the native-americans culture????
kemetkush 9 months ago
@kemetkush what?
laladiel 9 months ago
@laladiel it was white-people, who wiped out the native-americans culture....and also wiped out the africa-culture from the minds of the african-americans.......
kemetkush 9 months ago
@kemetkush i actually meant what did you mean by the question. anyway, going through history, people tried to eliminate other peoples, didnt matter if they were black white brown or yellow. they just tried to wipe them out. examples would be the Moors invading Italy and Spain, when the English invaded France, and Zulu take over other other tribes and lands.
laladiel 9 months ago
@laladiel blacks,brown,red,yellow, races of the world, never try to wiped the white-race out of the human-family.
kemetkush 9 months ago
@kemetkush as i said, the Moors is one such example.
laladiel 9 months ago
@laladiel only the white-race, try to wiped out the human-family.......
kemetkush 9 months ago
@kemetkush i think you mean human race?with that your again not correct. also, going by NOI, wasnt the "white man" created by a "black man"?
for me, people are people, some chose to be good, some choose to be bad, does not matter the color of their skin.
laladiel 9 months ago
@laladiel the human-family is the human-race......because of your whiteness, one again you don't understand...
kemetkush 9 months ago
@kemetkush thats a rather racist and uninformed statement.shall we get back to the subject though?was my statement correct about NOI believing that the "white man" was created by a "black man"?
and as i said, for me, people are people, no matter what color or sex, its their choices and actions that make them good or bad, not their skin.
laladiel 9 months ago
@laladiel name another race who try to wiped out the..... red-man, black-man, brown-man and yellow-man....no other race but the white-race came to earth to kill the human-family.
kemetkush 9 months ago
@kemetkush they have tried to wipe themselves out as well, how many African tribes have been wiped out by other African tribes?Native Americans same thing, perhaps not on such a grand scale at one time.actually same goes with all of them, it was the Spanish that tried to wipe out the Aztecs.not only have they tried to wipe themselves out, they have tried to wipe each other out.but as with white people, its not the fault of all members of that race.now, can you answer my question?
laladiel 9 months ago
@laladiel yes the white have tried to wipe themselves out ae well......he was born to kill....
kemetkush 9 months ago
@kemetkush by your logic, so is everyone else, as stated, Asians have tried to wipe each other out, as have Native Americans, Spanish Peoples, and Africans.
again, can you answer my question?
laladiel 9 months ago
@laladiel have the asians, africans, native americans, are arabs tried to wipe out europeans????
kemetkush 9 months ago
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@kemetkush the moors. now again, can you answer my question?
laladiel 9 months ago
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@kemet: "have the asians, africans, native americans, are arabs tried to wipe out europeans????"
No, they have not! Although white supremacists would say that they have tried to do just that by race mixing, multiculturalism, cultural diversity, & in colleges & universities with certain courses, such as Native American Studies, African American Studies, Asian American Studies, etc.
SpookeyR 8 months ago
@Originalman320 did you look up the ghost dance?it will show you what happened to Native Americans who tried to express their culture.
laladiel 11 months ago
@Originalman320 or people being payed for each Native American being killed?oh, i can go on, if you wish to use all Native Americans, lets go with the Aztecs, why not ask one of them about their how their ancestors built their pyramids? as for learning your history and language, do you really want to try to say its harder for you to learn yours then me to learn mine?really?when you have an entire continent that you can learn from and my people are well, not as vast and in some cases,non-existent
laladiel 11 months ago
@Originalman320 and while the hunting was not going on we were being offered blankets covered with small pox.
laladiel 11 months ago
@laladiel We were injected with syphilis an were not allowed BY LAW to be treated. I'm done talking with you. No further response is required, or desired from you.
Originalman320 11 months ago
@Originalman320 it was the law that we were hunted, and the blankets were just one example, there was a plan to inject captured Native Americans with smallpox and send them back to their people, the Spanish hunted Native Americans with dogs,have you ever heard of "the trail of tears"?
laladiel 11 months ago
@laladiel Yes of course I have. But you minimize what Black people went through, like what we went through was nothing. We're still being deprived of justice. But you think everything is peaches and creme with Black people. I could call the role of cases where Black men were shot down over B.S. even at this hour.
Originalman320 11 months ago
@Originalman320 im not minimizing anything, you seem to think Black people have gone through more then anyone else. are Black people basically kept on a confined bit of land unless they have proper paperwork?and to let you know, Whites, Asians, Native Americans, etc. get shot by cops also.their called bad cops who get a little power and let it go to their heads.
laladiel 11 months ago
@brothaherm1 lastly, i want to thank you for your reply.it has been nice talking with you, and hope to again sometime, under hopefully better circumstances though.
laladiel 11 months ago
@laladiel, ls that would offend ANY person who believes in God or has a sense of morality. I could give you many more examples. Regarding Col Qadhafi, I really don't believe ANYTHING the corporate controlled media says about a friend of the NOI. For your Information Muammar Qadhafi came to power in a "bloodless coup" over 40 years ago and nationalized the oil of Libya so that his people could benefit fro their own country's resources. He also is a fervent supporter of liberation movements all
brothaherm1 11 months ago
over the world including the Palestinians. He is loved by Africa and oppressed people every where. The movie was whack and that is my personal opinion. I don't like to see demeaning images of Black men especially being perpetrated by a so-called Black man. I challenge you to listen to any of Min Farrakhan's speeches in their entirety and find something that is untrue. Peace
brothaherm1 11 months ago
@brothaherm1 i have not seen the movie yet, so i dont have an opinion about it, i have only seen a few of his t.v. shows and thought they were somewhat funny, seen him in a small part of the new Star Trek movie as sort of a judge, and seen them making fun of him on Boondocks. i have listened to some of the speeches, and i have found quiet a few things untrue.one such was about the death of Malcolm X.he called Malcolm X a traitor.he was not, he just had a different point of view where everyone
laladiel 11 months ago
@brothaherm1 should get along.i actually agree that everyone should learn to live together instead of all this fighting.does that make me a traitor to anyone?as for hubbard. as i said, he told the people at i think it was a saviors day get together, that if they i think he called them laborers or anyone else did not take the scientology courses, they were pretty much done.rather sinister look on his face when he put that out there also.
laladiel 11 months ago
@brothaherm1 and when Farrakhan starts claiming how wonderful hubbard was after hubbard broke up families, threatened people, the racist stuff he spewed out, the anti-muslim stuff built into scientology, the bigoted hate built into co$ by its leader.if you like, i can send you a great deal about it with sources from co$ and hubbard himself to show im being completely honest with you.it may start out taking a few courses, but thats how it starts, then they will say
laladiel 11 months ago
@brothaherm1 "oh you have this wrong, but we can help" and/or "oh, you came this far, and seemed to enjoy it, why not try this course also?" or things like that. and yes, they may seem nice to you, but tell me, isnt a used car salesmen nice to you when your buying a lemon from them?also, i would like to make a correction to one of my earlier statements, the "satan" comment might have been made at another location as well, and you may be right about the meaning then, but was not the only time.
laladiel 11 months ago
@brothaherm1 there is an old saying "power corrupts".and while i agree with you about big media, it wasnt just big media that was talking about it. there was video from within Libya showing the "friend of the NOI" doing some rather oppressive things such as having his military shooting unarmed civilians, shooting at people at funerals, etc.. or before that, he was a supporter of Slobodan Milosevic.the genocidal dictator from Yugoslavia.the list goes on.
laladiel 11 months ago
@laladiel, as a Laborer I know exactly what the instructions the Minister gave are and they aren't nearly as sinister as you imply. As members of the NOI I can assure you that we aren't compelled to do anything that we don't want to and everyone who helps Minister Farrakhan in any way does so voluntarily and that includes any course of study that may be offered. You obviously don't know how the NOI works. As far as Qadhafi goes, I don't care what the enemy of my people says about him. As Min
brothaherm1 11 months ago
@brothaherm1 were his words something along the lines of "i expect each of you to sign up for these courses, and if you do not, you will be thanked for your service and told to sit down"?i am noone's enemy as long as they do not try to harm another person or force others to do things against their will.that is why i fight co$. for their disconnection policy, for their "r2-45" policy, their "fair game" policy, their protection of people like tony strawn, etc.
laladiel 11 months ago
Farrakhan said during his SD 2011 address, name 1 leader who has 100% of the support and love of his people? You nor I can name one and every nation including America has the blood of it's own citizens on it's hands. I don't have to name the atrocities that America has committed against it's citizenry, yet we don't see any other nation's navy sitting in the Atlantic or Pacific waiting to unseat our leadership like America is off the coast of Libya right now! Like I said about Hubbard, I already
brothaherm1 11 months ago
@brothaherm1 i know that the U.S. government is not the most honorable group around, while we may have different reasons to not be pleased with it, we agree that it really needs to get its act together.but there are laws in place that if someone in the government messes up really bad, they can be removed from power and tried. Nixon is an example of this, if it were not for Ford giving him a presidential pardon.as for the navy, as i said, they are there for the wars the U.S. has in the region.
laladiel 11 months ago
@laladiel Your quote about the US government is not the most honorable group is putting it mildly. It's rotten to the core.
Originalman320 11 months ago
@Originalman320 funny how farrakhan says all these bad things about American and claims Americans are horrible people, and you back him up, while he remains an American citizen.is he trying to say something about himself?
laladiel 11 months ago
have a religion and that is Islam. We are using the technology of Dianetics alone and you don't have to warn us about slick car salesman or charlatans. We have been the victim of the slickest of them all beginning with when we were brought here nearly 500 years ago. We have a saying in the in the NOI, "Can a devil fool a Muslim?" the answer....."Not nowadays!" Peace
brothaherm1 11 months ago
@brothaherm1 l ron hubbard himself stated that "scientology is not a religion", so im not really worried about multiple religions. anyone can be fooled im just trying to make sure that people look at both sides before making a decision based off some false information they were given. you dont have to take my word for it if you dont wish to, i am just giving some of what i know, and you can look into it to see i am being truthful if you like.one thing you may wish to look into, "tr lie"
laladiel 11 months ago
@brothaherm1 and the link i sent you, if you scroll down, it shows just how co$ sees Muslims.
laladiel 11 months ago