this song reminds me of a guy i loved and still in love with we're juss starting to tlk again i miss him so much we split up cuz i screwed up and i lost him:( he thinks its his fault but it was mine i juss love him so much:'(
you shall never read this, but stop shoving me out..u never once used to. come back, my bestest friend, and lover. my boy that could tell me all things, and listened, and cared about all i said. all of our laughing, dorky joking around, and serious convos..where are you?? i will never make fun of your depression, and yet i am made fun of when ur mad.....i cannot leave you, for true love is not A DISPOSABLE GAME. STOP MAKING IT ONE THEN. STOP!! you claim true love..that im the best?dont lose me
i love christopher crank for life. he is my true love forever, and ever. i am 37, and i just know. never loved true love before him, and i believe in just one true love..others are like ones we can love deeply, but only ONE TRUE LOVE..God man, He made us, christopher my baby even agreed two days ago. two days ago we were still planning a future, and our family..me moving there in time..marrying in the end..me being the woman he WANTS TO COME HOME TO AND HIS FAMILY NOT HIS BAND.chris............
i met a boy..did not think i would ever fall truly in love..God brought us to each other..to be halves, only to become one. so the boy i love sends me this song, and stated he did so, for i told him when he was always wanted to talk to me in the evening, i was slumbering often for a while there. he missed me he said.could not get enough of me he told me.
he just always was sweet, respectful, i felt so safe, and i even felt that no matter what, id be able to depend on him. now, he sends nothing
This is amazingly beautiful. I'll never forget when he sang this when I saw him in NC; when he sang this the entire audience joined in and the vibe was beautiful.
attention everyone, this is not a love song in the way you think it is, it is a song about breaking up (claudio sanchez's POV) and also a song about anger and betrayal (the Writer's POV, if you don't know the Writer you aren't a coheed fan) the Writer wants to kill her when she wakes up because he's pissed off. also, in the graphic novel, the only time "wake up" is ever said is at the beginning, when there are zombies and words written in blood.
@chrismonzel pretty accurate. also to clarify for others who don't know what the backstory of this is is that Claudio and Mic were on a trip seeing their girlfriends and at the time Claudio was dating his now wife Chondra. when he got back home he played the original version of this over the phone to her but afterwards she broke up with him, so obviously he changed the lyrics somewhat. but now their happily married so yeah...
@chrismonzel Thanks for letting me know what constitutes a Coheed fan. I'll have to let my girlfriend know that she isn't actually a Coheed fan, she's just someone who likes listening to their music. What an idiot she is. Right?
@chrismonzel does it really matter? i guarantee about 90% of the people who have read this didnt give a single fuck. just let us listen to the music, fuck what it means. its beautiful and catches our attention. thats all that matters! FUCK!
Dam! i love this song (: yeah people say they dont like claudios "high pitched voice" ahhh well screw you guys his voice is amazing! I will never get tired of this song I listened to it all day :D
@daniisgreat this song is from the point of the writer. almost all of From Fear Through the Eyes of Madness was done from the point of view of the writer. this song is about erika.
Every time i hear this song, whether it be this version or the regular album version, I tear up and am on the verge of tears throughout this song this can only happen through the magic of Claudios voice
@saskman1234 If you know the band you know it's all one big weird Sci-Fi comic & there is a lot of death & murder. This is a guy singing to the girl he loves that he will in fact do ANYTHING to make her happy. Oddly later in the album he's trying to kill her. This songs kinda flash back to before he went nuts.
@daniisgreat Or it can be taken from the point of the Narrator (the writing writer aka God kinda aka Claudio Sanchez) singing to the girl he loves about writing this song. Forgot that it can be translated 2 differnt ways. :D
do people realise that its about loving someone and not having it reciprocated. " in a phrase to cut these lips i LOVED you " its about hoping that person you love will wake up and be yours again
This song is so pretty... I just wish that this guy didn't dedicate it to me... *sighs* he knows I'm happily with someone, but he has to go telling me "I have and do love you" using this song to tell me his feelings. -_-
shit . . . . I've listened to this at least 50 times since my last comment . . . . . I can't stop listening . . . . "In a phrase to cut these lips . . . . I love you"
Thank you for this song, so nice words there, I believe singing it the way he does in front of her eyes would totally stun her and make her fall for you...
Coheed and Cambria is one of most unique rock bands ever. Claudio has a legendary voice that is impossible to hear from another band. The rhythms make my fingers tingle and they are by far...my favorite band. Great song too.
@SayHeyToShea That unique sound is cause they're a Progressive Metal band. They pretty much refuse to sound the same as anyone else...or even themselves. :D
i love this song it makes me want to cry but i dont know why and its just beutiful and it reminds me alot of my bf since he showed me coheed and cambria and since then iv been addicted ....BEUTIFUL
I would dedicate the positive parts of this song to my beautiful wife who is the sun in my universe. Every beat of my heart is for you. I'm sorry that I'm weak enough to make things difficult, but I promise - I'm also strong enough to make them right ..."So leave yourself intact
'Cause I will be coming back. In a phrase to cut these lips, I love you."
Like,you don't do that to people.You don't rip there hearts out.But,people do that all the time.And,it's like 'wtf?don't you care?"and,people don't care...X(
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kseniagolian 3 weeks ago
i tired to sing this, and it kind of gets to you.
TheModX3R0xi 3 weeks ago
Now this is a totally random question, but what font is being used in the lyrics?
DFInside 3 weeks ago
It's already 2012, yet I'M STILL IN LOVE WITH THIS SONG <3
AlLifeIsAnExperiment 4 weeks ago
@chrismonzel cool story bro.
MrFredFries 4 weeks ago
this song is amazing :)
MehganOo 1 month ago
this song reminds me of a guy i loved and still in love with we're juss starting to tlk again i miss him so much we split up cuz i screwed up and i lost him:( he thinks its his fault but it was mine i juss love him so much:'(
xXPrincessSwaggXx 1 month ago in playlist Favorite videos
you shall never read this, but stop shoving me out..u never once used to. come back, my bestest friend, and lover. my boy that could tell me all things, and listened, and cared about all i said. all of our laughing, dorky joking around, and serious convos..where are you?? i will never make fun of your depression, and yet i am made fun of when ur mad.....i cannot leave you, for true love is not A DISPOSABLE GAME. STOP MAKING IT ONE THEN. STOP!! you claim true love..that im the best?dont lose me
kittykat19974 2 months ago
i love christopher crank for life. he is my true love forever, and ever. i am 37, and i just know. never loved true love before him, and i believe in just one true love..others are like ones we can love deeply, but only ONE TRUE LOVE..God man, He made us, christopher my baby even agreed two days ago. two days ago we were still planning a future, and our family..me moving there in time..marrying in the end..me being the woman he WANTS TO COME HOME TO AND HIS FAMILY NOT HIS BAND.chris............
kittykat19974 2 months ago
i met a boy..did not think i would ever fall truly in love..God brought us to each other..to be halves, only to become one. so the boy i love sends me this song, and stated he did so, for i told him when he was always wanted to talk to me in the evening, i was slumbering often for a while there. he missed me he said.could not get enough of me he told me.
he just always was sweet, respectful, i felt so safe, and i even felt that no matter what, id be able to depend on him. now, he sends nothing
kittykat19974 2 months ago
nice one
ingkin666 2 months ago
This is amazingly beautiful. I'll never forget when he sang this when I saw him in NC; when he sang this the entire audience joined in and the vibe was beautiful.
romanceaglow 2 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
when i hear this song it makes me think of certain things that have happened and i love this song more and more...
babygirlluv2 2 months ago
Now i'm going to look at "Snakes on a plane" just to hear this song in it. I love Coheed & Cambria.
PARKWAYROMANS 2 months ago
Ahh it makes me so sad, but I love it.
squatchishere 2 months ago
I look at all the angry people.
crazycid29 2 months ago
whether it was intended as a love song or not, it describes my story perfectly < 3 js.
xXFallenxAngelx18Xx 3 months ago
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therealmichaelw 3 months ago
love this version. acoustic only. this song is my life.
wishingonastar12 4 months ago 2
Why the fuck are the two top comments bout Bieber?! This is a Coheed and Cambria song.
WAKE UP bellends!!!
IsItMyTimeNow 5 months ago 2
great now there are two top comments dealing with beiber. ick.
angelbaby233 5 months ago
this is and most probably will always be my favourite acoustic song ever
cretmister 5 months ago
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9 people need to wake up.
kenndralyn 5 months ago
Beautiful song.
autumnsmommy121207 6 months ago
Who wouldn't like this song? I mean..c'mon!
IrishDrunkardAllena 6 months ago
Stupid bieber is a GAYLORD!!!!
RiomaikA 6 months ago
the people who disliked this had their own taste in music and i respect that
TheChannelOfDestiny 6 months ago 2
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aghaif 6 months ago
why is every song have a bieber comment on top
stupid
andycfox 7 months ago
please take the beiber comment off the top. delete that shit,. i came for wake up.
misterdeadhead 7 months ago 27
@misterdeadhead Faggot.
Thunderwalnut 5 months ago
@Thunderwalnut at least you can spell it right. "thundercunt."
misterdeadhead 5 months ago
This is making me cry right now. Fml.
serenity707979 7 months ago
I admit if Nickleback did this song it would be crap. But its great..Thats a trubute to how good Coheed is.
Neomac316 7 months ago
8 bullets for those who don't understand music
ayen17690 7 months ago
This song mademe cry and I have 17. This song is the best
ocasiojun787 7 months ago
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aghaif 7 months ago
How can a song this beautiful be on the... Snakes on a Plane soundtrack?
PhoneHomeProduction 7 months ago
@PhoneHomeProduction lol right?
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misterdeadhead 7 months ago
</3
wawapet021 7 months ago
soo i dont get it... where does it show the total views...?
tonymlg91 7 months ago
How is it possible that this songs reminds me of my ex and the one I love right now?
Yah know, the first lovethings, for the one I love.. And "I won't come back" to the ex, who's still hoping for me to return.. Weird feeling..
DirgeBoutLove 8 months ago
Awww. Such a beautiful song :)
RubbishDucksx3 8 months ago
Wow, didn't know Coheed already had a soundtrack song. Cool.
SerpensSolida 8 months ago
way way better acoustic.
misterdeadhead 8 months ago
This song reminds me of my ex-
rageagainstboxhead 8 months ago
Wasn't this song already acoustic? Lol.
I love this song, but was just asking lol.
xKariion 8 months ago
@xKariion Nope. The one in the album had Lead Guitar and Drums, and a little bass.
TheStygianAbyss24 8 months ago
BEAUTIFUL song <3
asking22steph 9 months ago
6 reasons tu use a condom
pablobmx4 9 months ago 2
6 people dont like to wake up(:
Zebralicious97 9 months ago
This will always and forever be me and my husband's song. From Florida to Michigan, long distance never mattered, now we have a baby on the way :]
donellexrachelle 9 months ago
i own every single one of coheeds books
thanks for clearing up the fact that this is a hatesong chris monzel alot of people didnt know that
nightmare1350 10 months ago
attention everyone, this is not a love song in the way you think it is, it is a song about breaking up (claudio sanchez's POV) and also a song about anger and betrayal (the Writer's POV, if you don't know the Writer you aren't a coheed fan) the Writer wants to kill her when she wakes up because he's pissed off. also, in the graphic novel, the only time "wake up" is ever said is at the beginning, when there are zombies and words written in blood.
chrismonzel 10 months ago 15
@chrismonzel pretty accurate. also to clarify for others who don't know what the backstory of this is is that Claudio and Mic were on a trip seeing their girlfriends and at the time Claudio was dating his now wife Chondra. when he got back home he played the original version of this over the phone to her but afterwards she broke up with him, so obviously he changed the lyrics somewhat. but now their happily married so yeah...
NeverenderGun 6 months ago
@NeverenderGun
uhh, I don't think he was dating his wife then, considering this is on the FFTtEoM album, that means he was dating Nikki iirc.
Kard8p3 6 months ago
@Kard8p3 You recall incorrectly.
evirdrevolairea 5 months ago
@chrismonzel Not knowing who the writer is doesn't make you not a coheed fan, its makes you not a amory wars fan.
Sooliee 3 months ago
@chrismonzel Thanks for letting me know what constitutes a Coheed fan. I'll have to let my girlfriend know that she isn't actually a Coheed fan, she's just someone who likes listening to their music. What an idiot she is. Right?
danizzlesnizzle 2 months ago 5
@chrismonzel does it really matter? i guarantee about 90% of the people who have read this didnt give a single fuck. just let us listen to the music, fuck what it means. its beautiful and catches our attention. thats all that matters! FUCK!
xxXCrabcoreXxx 1 month ago
lame, wake up to something better. lol.
thebecoming09 10 months ago
Dam! i love this song (: yeah people say they dont like claudios "high pitched voice" ahhh well screw you guys his voice is amazing! I will never get tired of this song I listened to it all day :D
TaraAldana 11 months ago 2
I have never needed this song more then I do right now.
SidVicious10101 11 months ago 4
@SidVicious10101 I understand whole-heartedly!
altiodsrule 11 months ago
i dont know if it is the song or the fact that some people actually dislike this song that makes me cry!
TheEternalHigh 11 months ago
@daniisgreat this song is from the point of the writer. almost all of From Fear Through the Eyes of Madness was done from the point of view of the writer. this song is about erika.
xAcousticCentralx 11 months ago
Every time i hear this song, whether it be this version or the regular album version, I tear up and am on the verge of tears throughout this song this can only happen through the magic of Claudios voice
kingalexander315 11 months ago
Who could dislike this?
MrLeslieChow11 11 months ago
I love you Ivan Reniel D. Cabal :) :* Forever babe :>
shannentan21 11 months ago
Definitely love you Minela and hope you enjoy this dedication: You're mine fool, and I'd definitely kill your exes if you wanted ^^...o_O...
Crossstr08 1 year ago 2
:')) okay... i love this song :)
<3
phebzam17 1 year ago
Zam, will it be ok if this will be our song??
<3
hernaniCH 1 year ago
6 retards who doesnt like this...
Naaviam 1 year ago
Uhm, kill anyone for you? That's a little wierd... But the rest of the song is good.
saskman1234 1 year ago
@saskman1234 obviously you don't listen to a lot of coheed and cambria?
kdoggrawr 1 year ago
@saskman1234 If you know the band you know it's all one big weird Sci-Fi comic & there is a lot of death & murder. This is a guy singing to the girl he loves that he will in fact do ANYTHING to make her happy. Oddly later in the album he's trying to kill her. This songs kinda flash back to before he went nuts.
daniisgreat 11 months ago
@daniisgreat Or it can be taken from the point of the Narrator (the writing writer aka God kinda aka Claudio Sanchez) singing to the girl he loves about writing this song. Forgot that it can be translated 2 differnt ways. :D
daniisgreat 11 months ago
its true love.... damn strike trough .... awts....
ixefile 1 year ago
this song is just emotionally touching, its romantic, depressing, its a mix of the strongest emotions we can feel
MaskedLunitic94378 1 year ago
oodgay ongsay. claudio evernay aidsay fiay isthay adhay thinganyay otay oday ithway hetay torysay.
eajoread 1 year ago
6 people have no one to wake up too
LiveLifeWithLipGloss 1 year ago
eargasm.
mesmerized313 1 year ago
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CaitlinLuhbeeese 1 year ago 22
@CaitlinLuhbeeese Lmfao. Havent heard that one before. Best comment ever ahahhahaha. :D:D
stacyzweizig 9 months ago
Who can dislike this?
RusswellMendez 1 year ago
dudes a savage and he sounds the exact same live
bosshog97 1 year ago
lol, i love the blood spatters on "kill anyone for you"
beezeypie 1 year ago
salamt sa nag pose ne2 :))
chokun13 1 year ago
@chokun13 wah sana bumalik sila dito Pinas!!:(
geraldine11000 1 year ago
super lyk
chokun13 1 year ago
This is like my fav song by coheed and cambria.
i could listen to this song all day if i could.
its fcken awesome!
Mrguitarherogod1 1 year ago
do people realise that its about loving someone and not having it reciprocated. " in a phrase to cut these lips i LOVED you " its about hoping that person you love will wake up and be yours again
awesome song and awesome band tho
scholesy7 1 year ago
This song is so pretty... I just wish that this guy didn't dedicate it to me... *sighs* he knows I'm happily with someone, but he has to go telling me "I have and do love you" using this song to tell me his feelings. -_-
But I do love this song ^_^
domd0645 1 year ago
The 6 people who dis liked this have no feelings.
TheMorticansDaughter 1 year ago
shit . . . . I've listened to this at least 50 times since my last comment . . . . . I can't stop listening . . . . "In a phrase to cut these lips . . . . I love you"
jdwr85 1 year ago
YESSSS! I'm jealous of Claudio Sanchez . . . . great guitarist AND an amazing singer
jdwr85 1 year ago
awesome!! now i can hear the guitar enough to accurately cover it! where do you get this recording?
VivaEmptiness420 1 year ago
astig to
chronejm5 1 year ago
DAMNNNN DIS SONG :(...BUT ITS A BEAUTIFUL SONG THO :)
itzie28 1 year ago
Its beautiful <3
TheEternalHigh 1 year ago
i love this band i get to see them live oct 15 im pumped
kibblesnbitsful 1 year ago
It hurts to breathe because every breath I take proves I can't live without you. :(
wawapet021 1 year ago
Thank you for this song, so nice words there, I believe singing it the way he does in front of her eyes would totally stun her and make her fall for you...
nkpytelzhor 1 year ago
excellent song!!! AWESOME IN CONCERT!!!!
taintedgump 1 year ago
OMG I love Coheed
XOkamiAmaterasu 1 year ago
Those harmonies at the end are amazing. The guy is scary talented. My favorite band of all time.
Slashwannabe 1 year ago
My baby dedicated this to me<3
christybobisty11 1 year ago
hi gusy listen this one!
ban2xw 1 year ago
Claudio has an amazing voice for this song...i thinks its the best he done so far...anyone agree
ThisOneComes 1 year ago
@ThisOneComes yes i agree if i could learn this song on guitar..i know its not that hard but id sing it to one lucky girl lol
Munchers1991 1 year ago
@Munchers1991 Man! had the same idea. Learned the song only to discover the next day she broke up with me:(
Laguna4988 1 year ago
@Laguna4988 wow wtf
Munchers1991 1 year ago
Mahal Kita Chong!
bhrakher12 1 year ago
Coheed and Cambria is one of most unique rock bands ever. Claudio has a legendary voice that is impossible to hear from another band. The rhythms make my fingers tingle and they are by far...my favorite band. Great song too.
SayHeyToShea 1 year ago
@SayHeyToShea That unique sound is cause they're a Progressive Metal band. They pretty much refuse to sound the same as anyone else...or even themselves. :D
Matoyak09 1 year ago
Hahaha I would just like to say that i love my amazing boyfriend! he is wonderful!
lizobryan 1 year ago
nice song!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jmDangatz 1 year ago
this is the most meaningful, beautiful song ever composed :)
CaptivatingTheLook 1 year ago 2
i love this song it makes me want to cry but i dont know why and its just beutiful and it reminds me alot of my bf since he showed me coheed and cambria and since then iv been addicted ....BEUTIFUL
LiveLifeWithLipGloss 1 year ago
this song makes me sad....
citronklyftan 1 year ago
people who don't like this gotta stop listening to nickleback and get the dick from their ass removed
gsf422 1 year ago 55
@gsf422 Dude, i like nickelback AND coheed and cambria. they're both really good bands so don't hate [=
syonwarrior 7 months ago
@gsf422 AMEN, DUDE, AMEN!!!
senshimak 6 months ago
this song really pulls at the heartstrings
PinkWaffleCOLBZ 1 year ago 4
I can fall in love with anybody by just listening to this song!
emumbel 1 year ago
one of my favorite.
ahwantaemo 1 year ago
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one of the world's most beautiful songs!
peaceloveandrock1 1 year ago
one of the world most beautiful songs!
peaceloveandrock1 1 year ago
it is a beautiful song and it means more when you have a reason that makes it so much better.
and i dont care what ppl say they can fuck the fuck off.
cause lots don't like this song or band. butt there the shit.
Juggalette541lotus 1 year ago 4
it is a beautiful song and it means more when you have a reason that makes it so much better.
and i dont care what ppl say they can fuck the fuck off.
cause lots don't like this song or band. butt there the shit.
Juggalette541lotus 1 year ago
@Juggalette541lotus This is the song for me and my gf - I am going into the airforce - and it just fits so well
davytyler 1 year ago
FUCKING BEAUTIFUL
SCarsonSOAD 1 year ago
kill anyone O O
StarChaz3r 1 year ago
...decide to wake up.
this is such an emotionally invoking song...
ibetmycaddywill2 1 year ago
awesome. if you like this then try "someone else" by queensryche
GM0530 1 year ago
baduys,,, nakadinig lng ng matamis na line naging baduy na? aw,, tamaan kau lhat wla ko pakelam,,,
cradlehale 1 year ago
perfect.
Ampariwii3 1 year ago
shit naman ohh....
spaindutchland 1 year ago
My Boyfriend Sang This Song To Me While I Was Asleep And Said It's How He Feels About Me :) I Love You Baby!
caite0990 2 years ago
my bf sent this to me after me had an argument it made me cry but actually made me relise that he loves me ) xx
Rachiebabee1 2 years ago
Beautiful
redblack223 2 years ago 5
I would dedicate the positive parts of this song to my beautiful wife who is the sun in my universe. Every beat of my heart is for you. I'm sorry that I'm weak enough to make things difficult, but I promise - I'm also strong enough to make them right ..."So leave yourself intact
'Cause I will be coming back. In a phrase to cut these lips, I love you."
IaddiusIohann 2 years ago 5
Now, grow some balls and tell her this in person instead of writing it on Youtube.
JakeWearsHockeyMasks 2 years ago 5
sorry to burst your bubble, but this is a breakup song.
StricknSTW 1 year ago
@StricknSTW
Goes beyond "a breakup song" but It's STILL beautiful - True Love at its finest and my absolute favorite song for probably the last 4 years.
ussretired 1 year ago
waah! having goosebumps with this beautiful song!. feels like crying right now (sniff2x)..
onc3and4all 2 years ago 2
Jesse. :)
madisonrose01 2 years ago
my name is Jesse one of the reasons I adore Coheed
JessENation15 1 year ago
XD does that make u a relative XD (The Amory Wars joke im sorry)
SCarsonSOAD 1 year ago
@SCarsonSOAD I know I've read the Amory Wars lol
JessENation15 1 year ago
perfect.
westsidestory8 2 years ago
Such a great, sad, powerful song. Which seemingly has the power to make everyone re-live past breakups.
justletmefknsignup 2 years ago
or makes you remember friends that have died and this just so happens to be there favorite song
fobluvr4life 2 years ago
LOng Live cOheed..
akOi14 2 years ago
acoustic amazingness!!!
maseazzy00 2 years ago
**ill do anything for you .. **
szelleen19 2 years ago 43
@szelleen19 **kill anyone for you**
EndCat47 10 months ago
yeah! super duper i love this song..
melvsanc12 2 years ago
Wow, this is one of my favorite songs of theirs. I own all the graphic novels and all their albums, and still, this song moves me every time.
debrakubas 2 years ago
this song makes me cry. my bf dedicated this song to me.
abeautifulredrose 2 years ago
This song reminds me of a girl I know...she's been through WAAAY to many guys like this....
bunhole100 2 years ago
meaningful. [:
xMYxONLYxYOUx 2 years ago
This song has made me cry.
It's just the lyrics,his vioce,that makes you remeber the things you don't want to.
I love this band.
PrankWriter100 2 years ago
thats prolly why i lvoe them so much. went through an intense break up and listening to them helped
JDnx 2 years ago
I didn't go through a bad breakup,but my best friend started ignoring my,becuase im not "cool enough"
This song has made me cry....
PrankWriter100 2 years ago
wow fuck you're friend dude. later on s/he will realize s/he was pretty fucked up toward you
JDnx 2 years ago
Yeah...
Like,you don't do that to people.You don't rip there hearts out.But,people do that all the time.And,it's like 'wtf?don't you care?"and,people don't care...X(
PrankWriter100 2 years ago
absolutely beautiful song. no one has a voice like Claudio Sanchez
ke69lm 2 years ago 70
@ke69lm
I love Claudio, the most amazing voice I've heard in ages.
ResistanceofLove 1 year ago
Makes me want to cry
TheCkyfan96 2 years ago 5
i love this song, u did great with the video! :)
bjaguitar 2 years ago
VERY NICE VERY NICE WELL DONE=]
ronieetf 2 years ago
To my dearly departed...I loved you.
TheKnoxville666 2 years ago 3
so beautiful.
ashlayyxlauren 2 years ago 3