LOL - so much bs. i mean c'mon. reallly? REALLLY??? This video basically means that people cant do what they want and be who they want to be. Religious control freaks.
Illuminati. The devil has infiltrated America America is the evil army. The Devil's main goal is the perversion of god's creation, Earth, and the everything on it. Lucifer infiltrated America knowing its destiny as a world super power. The war to end all war's is coming and America is the ultimate evil.
This is how religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) came to be so widespread.
They were rejected at first because people knew they were nonsense, but as the message was consistently pushed by psycho fanatics for generations, it eventually became the norm.
@NoFaithInFolklore You are obviously not educated on the origins of religion. Why are you willing to risk great loss without even doing the research. I once did not believe, but I had the intelligence to realize that I was the one with something to lose. If I was right and there was no God or salvation, then those religious people lose nothing, but if THEY were right, I stood to go to Hell. I saw the reality of this and did YEARS of study with a open heart for truth. I am now a Christian
I was a Christian for nearly 25 years because I was raised in a christian family. However, I decided to do some research instead of just believing what I was told by people who were biased about the subject I realized that the bible really is propaganda that has nothing to do with truth.
For instance, researchers from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem have uncovered archeological proving that the events in the book of Joshua couldn't possibly have taken place as the bible says.
@NoFaithInFolklore Perhaps a better way to state the truth would be to say that you were a church-member for 25 years, as a true disciple would not be swayed over THAT...but I digress. I have only heard of evidence they hove found that supports the Bible. I just attempted to look up what you have cl;aimed and no reports were available under the search heading. Can you provide some of this supposed data?
@sweets3000 The "supposed" data can be found on you tube as part of a non biased documentary produced by the public broadcasting station: NOVA entitled
"The Bible's Buried Secrets (NOVA PBS) "
Archeological evidence shows that the mass migration story of the Jews from Egypt is only a story (Exodus didn't actually happen) and that the destruction of the cities mentioned in the book of Joshua happened of the course of 1000 years for various reasons and not as a military campaign.
@NoFaithInFolklore HAHAHA...so you saw a little documentary on NOVA (GOVMT. OWNED) ? As I figured you were not a true disciple. Something like that would NEVER sway a true person who has fallen in love with Yeshua. I can name WAYYYYY more evidence that the Bible IS valid, starting with tons of fulfilled prophecy. You believe which things your heart already desires to be so. I suspect if the walk didnt' require repentance from sins you enjoy committing, perhaps your faith would have remained
@sweets3000 FYI the evidence presented in the film that I spoke of was obtained by the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. Are they govmt. owned as well? Perhaps they are just making evidence up that disproves their beloved Tanakh because they want to trick Christians in the process, right?
The good thing about the branch of science known as archeology is that it doesn't really matter what race or religion you happen to be, evidence is evidence and is tested extensively before being made available to everyone. Whereas, religion can't be tested and has no evidence to back its extraordinary claims.
lol, you mean the bought and payed for scientists and archeologists who present whatever they're told as evidence ?
Do you know why they have so many tests, cause the method of carbon dating very unreliable, that they have to keep on doing tests, which every time show another outcome...
After that they just pick something in the middle and present that as evidence, which it's not, it's a hypothesis, which is turned into a ''believe system''...
So you don't believe in science, but here you are surfing the web on your computer. You probably go through each day using thousands of products and devices that were made possible by science, and not religion, yet you still don't believe? You believe in something you have no proof of, and disbelieve something that you benefit from everyday? I don't know who you think is buying scientists off because the corrupt government WANTS you to go to church!
Believing in religion has very little to do with God.
Religions are man made and are a means to keep large masses of people in submission to their leaders by making them deny reality and vow faith in talking snakes, zombies, and other absurdities.
Science is an observation of all that is (the creation) and has done much more to serve humanity than any religion every did.
@WhoAreYouPointingAt Gravity is a theory. Evolution is a theory. You seem to be an articulate person with intelligence to boot. Why do you follow the belief in a god?
@NoFaithInFolklore And the fact that you stated that the corporation for public broadcasting is unbiased is laughable. Apparently you are not up on what your government's designs are for people just like you. ANd apparently it works easily in certain sad cases, such as the case at hand. That corporation is government owned and operated....same one that funds NPR news...LOL. UNBIASED??? I beg to differ.
@NoFaithInFolklore You should do the same. Atheism is the greatest lie ever told. It takes way more faith to believe that garbage than to simply seek God. I decided to seek with true openness, and eventually I came to realize that the Bible was the most likely truth. I know that sounds as crazy to you as it would have to me at the time, but I now believe perhaps God makes it that way to test for true hearts. Please consider that if youre right I am okay either way, but if I'm right=HELL.
"Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in Allâh and the Last Day and do righteous good de..eds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve"..THey believe Christians and Jews are still in the faith but have incomplete revelation. A Muslim man can even marry a Christian woman. I personally believe God made sure no one else made that claim to avoid confusion
@sweets3000 "Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in Allâh and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord"
I don't know if you did it on purpose but you left out the part that said "[BEFORE Prophet Muhammad] "
AFTER Prophet Muhammad you have no excuse to be a Jew or Christian and should convert to Islam if you want to go to paradise.
lol, the KGB isnt from soviet russia. the KGB is the English equivalent of the CIA. Also, THIS is propaganda; Satanism has nothing to do with evil, Christianity, or corruption. Satanism is another name for Humanism. Humanism is accepting that we control ourselves and have nothing to fear in terms of a god; But being able to do what we want to do does NOT mean we should go around raping and pillaging. Basic human behavior tells you to be civilized, kind.
this is total madness and bull shit why would any 1 hate every 1 ? why would any 1 want to make chaos and ppl hate.. I think for the ones that do these things are retarded !
1. Demoralize (tell people that they are nothing more than animal/machines instead of souls experiencing a human/animal experience, telling people there is "something wrong with them" and with their true nature)
2. Destabilize (give them addictions, give them disinformation, make them hate themselves and see the world a better place without them)
3. Cause Rebellion (cause chaos, take a look around)
4. Take Over (solution to chaos, drugging, fascist gov, no free will, corporate conformity)
whoareyoupointingat I share your sentiments re the mysteries. I think of god as being a circle in which the centre is everywhere and the circumference is nowhere-indefinable.I'm quite happy with that. anything I can come up with to describe god is only defined according to my own limited understanding of life.I try to "feel" the mystery outside of my own experience as opposed to the partaking of belief systems and rules set down by my fellow humans.
when I feel god what I feel is not related in any way to the stories I read in the bible. these are stories of humanities foibles, with the exception of some of the more direct depictions of Christ. when you believe that any entity human or not, can as you say-deprive you of happiness & Spiritual success,that belief system will do nothing but serve you just that: what you believe. Whether that belief is based in fact or fiction really doesn't matter, you're giving away your sovereign power.
this is US! take responsibility for yourselves instead of blaming it on a hairy red monster with scary horns. We are looking at ourselves and our own capabilities and the human condition.. the devil didn't make you do it.
whoareyoupointingat question for you, if the devil can make you do stuff, like make you sin against your own soul as you put it, wouldn't that be game over? like as in, no point, he wins? or is it just that Mr Deville can only make people do certain stuff... like maybe I need to see a list of what he can do and what he can't do.. do you have a list or do you just play it by ear?
Interesting viewpoint ! I have to agree, many go by what they are taught and by colored pictures. When you say satan or I say satan, can we know what the other sees? There is a source for all the hate, satan is the word I use right now. However, I do not have that concept of hell, asperin ! Truly we must each work for justice. love.
Not everyone sees Hell that way, you are saying you don't see it that way, but many times I've heard people say "lets see who has the last laugh", "you'll be begging for mercy, you sinner", "God will sort you out" and thing like these, that is why I said what I said about what believers think Of Hell.
What Hell really means, is another subject, which I wont discuss now.
The user QualiaSoup has a nice video dissecting the concept of Hell using some basic logic.
You say he has an influence on this universe, then why worry about anything if everything is what God wanted to be?
If he didn't want it to be like this then why call him God? Why believe in a creator who created things that lead to other things he decides to change whenever he pleases... Where was God in the many atrocities of the everyday human life?
If you believe in God, at least admit that he would be a egoistical capricious perverted torturer who can't even prove himself physically.
Only creatures of Free Will have a certain space as to wich extend they decide to submit their self to certain Laws, but then to other Laws they are bound.
The Force or if you like; Will that brought Existence into being also created the Laws therein.
Without matter; there is no time, because it requires matter(and space) to be able to measure time.
So; The Will that brought Existence into being is not bound by those Laws, but holds Sovereignty over all Laws.
''The sun and the moon are made punctual. (5) The stars and the trees adore. (6) And the sky He hath uplifted; and He hath set the measure, (7) That ye exceed not the measure, (8) But observe the measure strictly, nor fall short thereof. (9) And the earth hath He appointed for (His) creatures, (10) Wherein are fruit and sheathed palm-trees, (11) Husked grain and scented herb. (12) Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny? (13)'' Quran - 55:5-13-Ar-Rahman (The Mercifull) pt4
"There can not be something out of nothing"... What about God?
Who/what made God?
You see how flawed that argument is?
Plus, because we humans don't know where it came from you cannot simply say "God did it" and expect to answer it correctly.
The answer, "God", is as legitimate as saying Chubaka or Elvis created the universe. There is simply no proof that says God or anyone created the universe.
That's the starting point which you people should focus on.
The Quran suras you posted are an indirect sugestion of yours by saying like "look at everything around you, you have been created together with other stuff so you should be glad to God that he made those things".
Again, there is no proof a god made these things, it is just an assumption presented in a book, and you believe this assumption to be true without empirical evidence, hence you are "faithful" to it, meaning you need no kind of objective proof that proves this assumption to be true.
I do, I agree that we disagree, but I like to tell religious people about the logic of their beliefs, perhaps they change their beliefs and start seeing life from a different perspective.
I was once religious but the knowledge I have been gathering throughout the years have made me go away from gods and faith.
Atheism is growing faster than any other religion or political ideology.
I might one day see you there, my brother in humanity, peace be upon you.
Is this video trying to get people to convert to Satanism? Seems like it to us.
PRHILL9696 3 days ago
He did not admit. He declared.
guitarfuckist 3 weeks ago
LOL - You're talking bs. Really lol. Your comment basically means you can't be taken serious.
The facts speak for their self, but you decided to give it a whole other twist..
Looks like you're a control freak your self.
WhoAreYouPointingAt 1 month ago 4
LOL - so much bs. i mean c'mon. reallly? REALLLY??? This video basically means that people cant do what they want and be who they want to be. Religious control freaks.
seanusmcmaximus 1 month ago
Illuminati. The devil has infiltrated America America is the evil army. The Devil's main goal is the perversion of god's creation, Earth, and the everything on it. Lucifer infiltrated America knowing its destiny as a world super power. The war to end all war's is coming and America is the ultimate evil.
defrost34 6 months ago
@ 4:00
This is how religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) came to be so widespread.
They were rejected at first because people knew they were nonsense, but as the message was consistently pushed by psycho fanatics for generations, it eventually became the norm.
So, satanism is just another useless religion.
NoFaithInFolklore 8 months ago
@NoFaithInFolklore You are obviously not educated on the origins of religion. Why are you willing to risk great loss without even doing the research. I once did not believe, but I had the intelligence to realize that I was the one with something to lose. If I was right and there was no God or salvation, then those religious people lose nothing, but if THEY were right, I stood to go to Hell. I saw the reality of this and did YEARS of study with a open heart for truth. I am now a Christian
sweets3000 8 months ago
@sweets3000
I was a Christian for nearly 25 years because I was raised in a christian family. However, I decided to do some research instead of just believing what I was told by people who were biased about the subject I realized that the bible really is propaganda that has nothing to do with truth.
For instance, researchers from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem have uncovered archeological proving that the events in the book of Joshua couldn't possibly have taken place as the bible says.
NoFaithInFolklore 8 months ago
@NoFaithInFolklore Perhaps a better way to state the truth would be to say that you were a church-member for 25 years, as a true disciple would not be swayed over THAT...but I digress. I have only heard of evidence they hove found that supports the Bible. I just attempted to look up what you have cl;aimed and no reports were available under the search heading. Can you provide some of this supposed data?
sweets3000 8 months ago
@sweets3000 The "supposed" data can be found on you tube as part of a non biased documentary produced by the public broadcasting station: NOVA entitled
"The Bible's Buried Secrets (NOVA PBS) "
Archeological evidence shows that the mass migration story of the Jews from Egypt is only a story (Exodus didn't actually happen) and that the destruction of the cities mentioned in the book of Joshua happened of the course of 1000 years for various reasons and not as a military campaign.
NoFaithInFolklore 8 months ago
@NoFaithInFolklore HAHAHA...so you saw a little documentary on NOVA (GOVMT. OWNED) ? As I figured you were not a true disciple. Something like that would NEVER sway a true person who has fallen in love with Yeshua. I can name WAYYYYY more evidence that the Bible IS valid, starting with tons of fulfilled prophecy. You believe which things your heart already desires to be so. I suspect if the walk didnt' require repentance from sins you enjoy committing, perhaps your faith would have remained
sweets3000 8 months ago
@sweets3000 FYI the evidence presented in the film that I spoke of was obtained by the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. Are they govmt. owned as well? Perhaps they are just making evidence up that disproves their beloved Tanakh because they want to trick Christians in the process, right?
NoFaithInFolklore 8 months ago
@NoFaithInFolklore
lol, are they Hebrews or Khazarian AshkeNAZI ?
Who runs the university: Talmudic racists.
what does the Talmud say about Christ(pbuh), Christians and all other non Jews aka Goyim ?
WhoAreYouPointingAt 8 months ago
@WhoAreYouPointingAt
The good thing about the branch of science known as archeology is that it doesn't really matter what race or religion you happen to be, evidence is evidence and is tested extensively before being made available to everyone. Whereas, religion can't be tested and has no evidence to back its extraordinary claims.
NoFaithInFolklore 8 months ago
@NoFaithInFolklore
lol, you mean the bought and payed for scientists and archeologists who present whatever they're told as evidence ?
Do you know why they have so many tests, cause the method of carbon dating very unreliable, that they have to keep on doing tests, which every time show another outcome...
After that they just pick something in the middle and present that as evidence, which it's not, it's a hypothesis, which is turned into a ''believe system''...
I have my believes, my choices
WhoAreYouPointingAt 7 months ago
@WhoAreYouPointingAt
So you don't believe in science, but here you are surfing the web on your computer. You probably go through each day using thousands of products and devices that were made possible by science, and not religion, yet you still don't believe? You believe in something you have no proof of, and disbelieve something that you benefit from everyday? I don't know who you think is buying scientists off because the corrupt government WANTS you to go to church!
NoFaithInFolklore 7 months ago
@NoFaithInFolklore
I never said i don't believe in science, just not in a ''religious'' way...
And my believes in The creator don't hold me back from critically analyzing.
That goes for scientific institutions as well as religious ones, and others.
PEOPLE are corruptible, many will take on any cloak to reach their objectives, however shortsighted they may be.
The Big Bang is also a scientific theory = something out of nothing?
The Creator of Existence, The Ever Existing is my God.
I won't deny.
WhoAreYouPointingAt 7 months ago 2
@WhoAreYouPointingAt
Believing in religion has very little to do with God.
Religions are man made and are a means to keep large masses of people in submission to their leaders by making them deny reality and vow faith in talking snakes, zombies, and other absurdities.
Science is an observation of all that is (the creation) and has done much more to serve humanity than any religion every did.
NoFaithInFolklore 7 months ago
@WhoAreYouPointingAt Gravity is a theory. Evolution is a theory. You seem to be an articulate person with intelligence to boot. Why do you follow the belief in a god?
guitarfuckist 3 weeks ago
@guitarfuckist
Some theories are just that; theory.
Some things are facts. (to some)
When one walks from a roof one will find gravity is not only theory..
Those things called laws (natural and ''supernatural''), are some of the reasons i believe in a Creator.
I believe that there's a purpose, however unclear it may seem to me or an other.
Some believe it's all an exident.
I'm not the one to force my believes on an other, neither will i accept it from anyone else.
To each it's own
WhoAreYouPointingAt 3 weeks ago
@NoFaithInFolklore And the fact that you stated that the corporation for public broadcasting is unbiased is laughable. Apparently you are not up on what your government's designs are for people just like you. ANd apparently it works easily in certain sad cases, such as the case at hand. That corporation is government owned and operated....same one that funds NPR news...LOL. UNBIASED??? I beg to differ.
sweets3000 8 months ago
@NoFaithInFolklore You should do the same. Atheism is the greatest lie ever told. It takes way more faith to believe that garbage than to simply seek God. I decided to seek with true openness, and eventually I came to realize that the Bible was the most likely truth. I know that sounds as crazy to you as it would have to me at the time, but I now believe perhaps God makes it that way to test for true hearts. Please consider that if youre right I am okay either way, but if I'm right=HELL.
sweets3000 8 months ago
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@sweets3000 "Please consider that if youre right I am okay either way, but if I'm right=HELL. "
What if Muslims are right? Then we both are going to hell?
NoFaithInFolklore 8 months ago
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@NoFaithInFolklore Baqarah {2:62}
"Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in Allâh and the Last Day and do righteous good de..eds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve"..THey believe Christians and Jews are still in the faith but have incomplete revelation. A Muslim man can even marry a Christian woman. I personally believe God made sure no one else made that claim to avoid confusion
sweets3000 8 months ago
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@sweets3000 "Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in Allâh and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord"
I don't know if you did it on purpose but you left out the part that said "[BEFORE Prophet Muhammad] "
AFTER Prophet Muhammad you have no excuse to be a Jew or Christian and should convert to Islam if you want to go to paradise.
Oh and you have to eat halal meat.
NoFaithInFolklore 8 months ago
@NoFaithInFolklore
Very easy to paint such a simplistic picture huh ?
Maybe some psycho fanatics will push your nonsense, so it will become the norm...
And eventually it may become a ''believe system''
it's not all that black and white as you present it to be.
But hey, you have your right to your ''believes''
WhoAreYouPointingAt 8 months ago
@WhoAreYouPointingAt "Maybe some psycho fanatics will push your nonsense, so it will become the norm"
My nonsense? Excuse me sir but religions are pushing nonsense, and I'm one who isn't falling for it anymore.
Religion claims (with no evidence) that a man came back physically from the dead talked to his disciples for 40 days and then floated into heaven.
I say I don't believe it and you call me psycho?
NoFaithInFolklore 8 months ago
lol, the KGB isnt from soviet russia. the KGB is the English equivalent of the CIA. Also, THIS is propaganda; Satanism has nothing to do with evil, Christianity, or corruption. Satanism is another name for Humanism. Humanism is accepting that we control ourselves and have nothing to fear in terms of a god; But being able to do what we want to do does NOT mean we should go around raping and pillaging. Basic human behavior tells you to be civilized, kind.
nathanhimmerich2 8 months ago
@nathanhimmerich2
GTFO
That's why BLOOD-SACRIFICES are made ?
Humanism, Civilization ?
Wipe your mouth, there's crap on your lips.
Be you Cursed.
WhoAreYouPointingAt 8 months ago
i declare war on this filth!
Twistedkid123 10 months ago
this is total madness and bull shit why would any 1 hate every 1 ? why would any 1 want to make chaos and ppl hate.. I think for the ones that do these things are retarded !
181jose 1 year ago
@181jose Those people have sold there life to the devil for fame and power on earth, but they dont understand they will burn in hell for eternity.
ChaldeanDavid 1 year ago
@181jose k
camdadydizle 10 months ago
Cross tv is very informative and explanatory towards the music industry. God Bless Them.:)
ImageofPerfection089 1 year ago
Blaming KGB agents? And communism? that is so stupid.Untrue.
lantookh 1 year ago
1. Demoralize (tell people that they are nothing more than animal/machines instead of souls experiencing a human/animal experience, telling people there is "something wrong with them" and with their true nature)
2. Destabilize (give them addictions, give them disinformation, make them hate themselves and see the world a better place without them)
3. Cause Rebellion (cause chaos, take a look around)
4. Take Over (solution to chaos, drugging, fascist gov, no free will, corporate conformity)
AlterEgoTrip 1 year ago
fuck the american satanist.
benelijah12 2 years ago
take me home satan
menocu87 2 years ago
these stories are a reflection of humanity and nothing more. we create god in our image.
Mewsie 2 years ago
@Mewsie How can you state that as a ''proven'' fact ?
there are more things beyond our imagination.., right ?
You couldn't imagine that you where in your mother's whom, but you where there once.
And before that; a single sperm drop, who merged with an ovule, they became 1 cell then 2, 4, 8 16 etc.
All beyond imagination..
When i see Life and the Universe; i see enough Wonders.
Cause some people can't imagine that it could all have a meaning; doesn't mean it all came into Existence by ''chance''
WhoAreYouPointingAt 2 years ago
whoareyoupointingat I share your sentiments re the mysteries. I think of god as being a circle in which the centre is everywhere and the circumference is nowhere-indefinable.I'm quite happy with that. anything I can come up with to describe god is only defined according to my own limited understanding of life.I try to "feel" the mystery outside of my own experience as opposed to the partaking of belief systems and rules set down by my fellow humans.
Mewsie 2 years ago
when I feel god what I feel is not related in any way to the stories I read in the bible. these are stories of humanities foibles, with the exception of some of the more direct depictions of Christ. when you believe that any entity human or not, can as you say-deprive you of happiness & Spiritual success,that belief system will do nothing but serve you just that: what you believe. Whether that belief is based in fact or fiction really doesn't matter, you're giving away your sovereign power.
Mewsie 2 years ago
@Mewsie i can understand where you're coming from.
The Concept of The Creator is something that have kept people in debate for quite some time.
And many things are mixed up; mostly by the doing of men.
If you have an enemy, who wants you to turn against your self; doesn't mean you have to do what he wants.. :)
He plays the game to win; i suggest we do the same.
I appreciate your attitude on not trying to put the blame, but taking responsibility.
Many ''religious'' people could learn from that.
WhoAreYouPointingAt 2 years ago
this is US! take responsibility for yourselves instead of blaming it on a hairy red monster with scary horns. We are looking at ourselves and our own capabilities and the human condition.. the devil didn't make you do it.
Mewsie 2 years ago
that's right; people have to take their own responsibility.
the devil only calls and deceives, like a captain giving illegal orders.
he makes people transgress against their own Soul.
everyone is responsible if committing Crimes against Humanity : and will be held accountable
WhoAreYouPointingAt 2 years ago
whoareyoupointingat question for you, if the devil can make you do stuff, like make you sin against your own soul as you put it, wouldn't that be game over? like as in, no point, he wins? or is it just that Mr Deville can only make people do certain stuff... like maybe I need to see a list of what he can do and what he can't do.. do you have a list or do you just play it by ear?
Mewsie 2 years ago
@Mewsie i don't know if your question is sincere, but i will tell you this; what you can reach; he can't.
There is no winning for him, only the pleasure of depriving you of your happiness and Spiritual success.
It's mostly about vain promises and misplaced loyalty.
Like many deceived soldiers are being left to rot..
Our perception and understanding is very limited.
If i would start to explain how blue-tooth works; it could lead to a Overdose of info for the uninterested.
Ever seen a sound-wave?
WhoAreYouPointingAt 2 years ago
Nevertheless, I look at websleuth forums, insession forums, etc. I see satan. He is not fictional.
phnixlady 2 years ago
You've been taught that "Satan" is X, so when you see X you see "Satan".
Satan is not supported by empirical evidence therefore Satan is your subjective perception of a group of concepts.
If people would stop blaming Satan and waiting for someone else to do the work for them perhaps justice could be done, quicker, more often.
The concept of Hell makes them feel better because they hope someone will be tortured for "eternity"... Who benefits from that but a sadist?
asperin 2 years ago
Interesting viewpoint ! I have to agree, many go by what they are taught and by colored pictures. When you say satan or I say satan, can we know what the other sees? There is a source for all the hate, satan is the word I use right now. However, I do not have that concept of hell, asperin ! Truly we must each work for justice. love.
phnixlady 2 years ago
Not everyone sees Hell that way, you are saying you don't see it that way, but many times I've heard people say "lets see who has the last laugh", "you'll be begging for mercy, you sinner", "God will sort you out" and thing like these, that is why I said what I said about what believers think Of Hell.
What Hell really means, is another subject, which I wont discuss now.
The user QualiaSoup has a nice video dissecting the concept of Hell using some basic logic.
asperin 2 years ago
Those people are driven by anger and arrogance, wich are characteristics of satan.
Who else wants to see Humanbeings suffer in this life, and in the next ??
How can they claim to be religious and have so much animosity towards Mankind, to want them to burn?
Why don't they encourage people to save their Soul?
Why don't they invite people to reflect on Existence, and how limited our ways of perceiving reality and understanding really is?
What do they know about hell?
Or Mercy ?
Love The Creator
WhoAreYouPointingAt 2 years ago
Existence...
Matter moving through time and space, changing constantly, and God came from it?
According to you, no.
In fact, according to you, he exists outside of this material reality, which makes him unprovable to residents of the universe.
-Continued-
asperin 2 years ago
You say he has an influence on this universe, then why worry about anything if everything is what God wanted to be?
If he didn't want it to be like this then why call him God? Why believe in a creator who created things that lead to other things he decides to change whenever he pleases... Where was God in the many atrocities of the everyday human life?
If you believe in God, at least admit that he would be a egoistical capricious perverted torturer who can't even prove himself physically.
asperin 2 years ago
I don't perceive Existence as being matter moving true space and time.
I see space, time and matter as parts of Existence.
But allow me to express how i came to the conclusion to believe in existence of The Creator .
(in short)
Using my logic and feeling;
There can not be something out of nothing.
It came to be; so there must be a source.
Everything in existence is subjected to certain Laws.
pt1
WhoAreYouPointingAt 2 years ago
Only creatures of Free Will have a certain space as to wich extend they decide to submit their self to certain Laws, but then to other Laws they are bound.
The Force or if you like; Will that brought Existence into being also created the Laws therein.
Without matter; there is no time, because it requires matter(and space) to be able to measure time.
So; The Will that brought Existence into being is not bound by those Laws, but holds Sovereignty over all Laws.
The Ever Living and Most Exalted
pt2
WhoAreYouPointingAt 2 years ago
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
''Say: He is Allah, the One! (1)
Allah, the eternally Besought of all! (2)
He begetteth not nor was begotten. (3)
And there is none comparable unto Him. (4)''
(Quran - 112-Al-Ikhlas ( "the purity" or "the refining")
pt3
WhoAreYouPointingAt 2 years ago
WhoAreYouPointingAt 2 years ago
''He created man of clay like the potter's, (14)
And the jinn did He create of smokeless fire. (15)
Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny? (16)''
Quran - 55:14-16-Ar-Rahman (The Mercifull)
I will leave it at this for now.
I am just sharing my views and believes with you, and do not expect you to necessarily see it from my point of view.
I'll try to come back at the atrocities, God willing.
Please feel free to remember me, if it should take some time
Please consider and reflect
WhoAreYouPointingAt 2 years ago
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WhoAreYouPointingAt 2 years ago
"There can not be something out of nothing"... What about God?
Who/what made God?
You see how flawed that argument is?
Plus, because we humans don't know where it came from you cannot simply say "God did it" and expect to answer it correctly.
The answer, "God", is as legitimate as saying Chubaka or Elvis created the universe. There is simply no proof that says God or anyone created the universe.
That's the starting point which you people should focus on.
asperin 2 years ago
The Quran suras you posted are an indirect sugestion of yours by saying like "look at everything around you, you have been created together with other stuff so you should be glad to God that he made those things".
Again, there is no proof a god made these things, it is just an assumption presented in a book, and you believe this assumption to be true without empirical evidence, hence you are "faithful" to it, meaning you need no kind of objective proof that proves this assumption to be true.
asperin 2 years ago
You know what; let's agree to disagree.
For you; your believes, and for me; mine, ok?
You go your way, i go mine.
Greetings
WhoAreYouPointingAt 2 years ago
I do, I agree that we disagree, but I like to tell religious people about the logic of their beliefs, perhaps they change their beliefs and start seeing life from a different perspective.
I was once religious but the knowledge I have been gathering throughout the years have made me go away from gods and faith.
Atheism is growing faster than any other religion or political ideology.
I might one day see you there, my brother in humanity, peace be upon you.
asperin 2 years ago
Satanists go beyond the unimaginable boundaries of stupidity !
They hate fictional beings who create other fictional beings that they worship.
asperin 2 years ago
Could you make that a little clearer ?
WhoAreYouPointingAt 2 years ago
Actually I made a grammatical mistake.
*Created*
I'll try to make it clearer.
Satanists hate some fictitious character(Yahweh) who, according to the book they despise, created the fictitious character of "Satan".
Like Mickey Mouse fans hating on Walt Disney.
Ridiculously stupid.
asperin 2 years ago
I'm starting to act Goofy; i need to sleep.
Peace
WhoAreYouPointingAt 2 years ago