Thought Talk 6 - Diversity in Halo Montages

[xFlames45x]

nice subject i have my own montages on my page they are halo reach montages

[CheeryChub]

I love Salaya's montage's! And i saw legitify's funtage the other day and loved it as well. but nowadays its like all the montages u see have a sniper with a high multikill, i mean its awesome but its just getin old, mayhbe i should just take a break :D lol

[KnowHowTo101]

hey guys im making a funtage for halo and just like the were saying it is to bring it back so if you would like to be in it send me a message and no matter what you will be in it

[ThroughYourWormHole]

I have never agreed with some ones commentary more than i have agreed with this one

[packercat17]

id just like to thank you for doing all you have for the halo community

[makemhyd]

one question, WTF HAPPENED TO FUNTAGES?

[BlueKirby28]

Like this quote? Even if they do, literally nobody gives a fuck beyond that.

[H1Videos]

I can't take this shit seriously. You said the fucking grenade launcher was brought back from Halo 2, seriously?

[AbsoluteIKeatI]

@H1Videos He said grenade launching. When you use the force of a grenade to launch another grenade across the map. Not the noob tube.

[PurpleMrBacon]

Sorry i believe my sight is messed up but i think i saw a invincible in a team sniper game followed with a perfection.

[PurpleMrBacon]

Canada! Woo!

[Intactility]

Also, forge world really needs themed pieces, the option to change colors isnt nearly enough. Things like ice, jungle, desert + obviously many more themed pieces would really do an awesome job changing it up

[AbsoluteIKeatI]

@Intactility That would actually be sick. Great idea. Maps could be so much more unique.

[solan3999]

Y u no die!?

[CircleofLifex]

This guy is a genius :D

[WhisperingCacoethes]

I really like when you are doing with this channel and you discussed the topic really well. Could I perhaps make a suggestion?

I'm getting an xbox this week and finally will pickup Halo again. I used to play Halo 1/2/3 all on XBL/Lan Parties, but I'd love to get into the community again. Do you think you could do matchmaking with your subscribers to unite the community closer, to get to know eachother? :)

[PRettiiGiirLSwaqG]

@WhisperingCacoethes i Mayjor Liike Yer Idea ^______^

[iamsolaggy]

Oh look its the one guy I verbally raped awhile ago :)

[AbsoluteIKeatI]

@iamsolaggy Lmfao. Why are you still hating?

[xXLILB3T0Xx]

i wuld like to say that this is just my opinion about the video dnt hate 1.) 1st off commentating over clips of u doing well in a game just cancels out ur whole point of originality cuz u clearly fell on the same line 2.) The people that r making unique montages are ppl that r having fun with the game(Slaya)but reach is clearly not fun= no more montages 3.) ppl that r making these montages are people that just play the game alot & have nothing better 2 do with the clips except make a montage

[AbsoluteIKeatI]

@xXLILB3T0Xx 1) There are a lot of people who don't watch these for the commentary but for the gameplay. Besides to fill the time slot I didn't have any aggresive jetpacking or original gameplay that fit the time period. The third gameplay was different. 2-3) You can still have fun playing Reach but it isn't as enjoyable as Halo 2 or 3 were. I always think that if you are going to make a montage make it for yourself and then let everyone else enjoy it. Some montagers are no-lifey.

[lennii95]

I have a question. If you capture live, how are the vioces being capped ? Are they just captured like some audio you hear while playing the game? Cause actually you don´t hear your own voice while playing. So is everything YOU say just captured aswell?

[xXLILB3T0Xx]

@lennii95 they cap the game then they cap the audio and put those two things together

[lennii95]

@xXLILB3T0Xx I don´t get it :D...But I was talking about LIVE reactions while playing the game...how do they capture it? Is it captured with for example with the hd pvr or do they use something different?

[KingOSnipe]

@lennii95 you can wear two headsets at once like ive done while recording :) one being recorded by audacity, the other my xbox mic

[lennii95]

@KingOSnipe oh..okay..sorry for these "silly" questions, but: 2 headsets at once?...how do you manage that? :D is there some extra device or do you run the second one via USB ? :)

[KingOSnipe]

@lennii95 well my comp and my xbox are right next to eachother, so i put both headsets on and have my settings for xbox play sound out my mic and tv, so my cap card records other players sound but it still doesn't record your own, so thats why i put the second headset on going into my computer and record with audacity as soon as the game starts

[lennii95]

@KingOSnipe oh. Okay I see :) Now I understood. Thanks for telling me :). I´m thinking about getting a cap card soon. And I wanna cap live reactions aswell. Now I know how to do :) Thanks

[mlgskgaming]

Great commentary guys, I couldn't agree more with what you guys said. For another thought talk I think it would be pretty interesting to talk about editing in montages and how sometimes(but not all the time) it seems like editing has become a greater priority than the gameplay itself.

[TheMrTemptations]

Somebody tell Bungie to add different Maps into Team Snipers : )

[DieselvisionProduxns]

Diesel Montage One. Remember the name.

[redtide45]

I stoped listening when he said they should add things to the next halo

[AbsoluteIKeatI]

@redtide45 Well there are people who enjoy Armor Abilities. I'm not saying all playlists should have them but instead offer one playlist that does. Instead of trying to keep people away from the game we should give everyone a reason to like the game. If people enjoy things like armor abilites and bloom then there should be something there for them to enjoy. The same reasoning fro having an MLG playlist. Because it is something that certain people enjoy and keeps them playing.

[wupter359]

You do want originality in your montage, but there is only so many things that are original. Once you see Salaya, for example, pull of a very original jump with an overkill, you cant do that again because that is the not the definition of being original. Halo is so old now that everyone knows all the little tricks and original moves you can do. Its hard to make your own jumps and own tricks and put them in a montage. Once someone does it, its not original if you try to do it.

[ImAxilo]

Capping live is nice and all that, but you do realise there this thing called party chat right...

[TheOnlineDater]

Need an editor for my 2nd SWAT montage, got some insane clips hit me up

[rubinyokiller]

I am an upcoming montager (with that I mean I suck) so now that i''ve heard all of this i''m gonna get into the original spots and start using combos like sniper/needler, instead of going for that unoriginal headshot naire

[Ultim8SpartanFTW]

Halo 3 montage on this channel in 3 weeks! btw nice vid Alex, I hope that when my montage is out makes it to your second channel it has some creative clips. Keep the vids comming! =)

[Broad3679]

dude how old is that game

[STURDYvids]

It's ironic how you talk about weapon diversity and you put in a team snipers gameplay and a dmr/snipe gameplay.... I'm not to popular, but I'm working on a 100% MLG tage and a social dual and this gave me the inspiration to get something original :)

[AbsoluteIKeatI]

@STURDYvids Well to get an original good gameplay isn't really easy. I actually had some aggresive jetpack games that I did well in but they were too long to fit in the time slots. I threw in that last one because it's more entertaing and fit the time slot. Anyways good luck getting some interesting clips. If you are doing MLG may I suggest using the pistol since that is something very rarely seen.

[Basu117]

lol i just play the game and save the high multis a then make a tage,

[MrNoodlesJr]

do an episode about editing. can a montage be good with or without a lot of editing?

[mjcaboose666]

Soon I will be working on a funtage. So yeah. Jan 2012.

[IvIattisson]

The montages that are most popular and famous are those with best editing now of days not originality. Like "The Animatage" that are so original and good haven't got so much attention it deserves. People want to see skillful stuff with amazing editing, of course there are those who want to see original and chill montages. Like big block busters movies, It's not the best movies but that's what people want and like to see.

Try to find a good balance with your montage if you are editor.

[StealingClips]

@IvIattisson are you gonna carry on making montages? FragTale and Frenetic are two of the best montages ive seen due to the face they had insane gameplay and incredible editing

[IvIattisson]

@StealingClips Im editing Global right now, its going very slow but it's will come out one day. :)

[StealingClips]

@IvIattisson sweet looking forward to it :P

[AbsoluteIKeatI]

@IvIattisson We were actually talking about that a bit after but we already had a long enough video. The Animatage was awesome though. So original.

[DutchyVids]

I always listen to these while playing Halo, very interesting subject to talk about. I'll give my own opinion a little later guys <3

[iamSnip3rOne]

for this guys comments regarding montages nowadays..i totally agree. they need to be better than they are with more diverse gameplay and random funness, if you understand that.

[zBlightworks]

PART 2: The problem mostly is: everybody wants to see a montage with multikills and original gameplay is barely a factor. I believe that a montage should demonstrate any entertaining clip of gameplay, be it slaying, or humor (funtages). And a combination of slaying abilities and humorous clips in a single video, I believe, would be a great montage. You're only as original as what you were inspired by; you have to combine different aspects. Make it all flow and you've got a great piece of work.

[iamSnip3rOne]

@zBlightworks im not one of those everybody people..i miss the halo 3 montages and only a select few Reach montages are good. I am planning on making a halo 3 and reach montage when i get the software. i have splatter clips, perfections i think, snipes, dmr's and ninja kills, to name a decent few. i have a good idea of the type those old school people want and i wish to make my attempt soon/ :)

[Nomad2243]

I miss FAG. Their DANCE tages were the most entertaining montage series made IMO. Perfect mix of game types, amazing clips, and humor combined.

[zBlightworks]

PART 1: Something to consider: The kids who are playing for montage clips are pretty good and get matched against other kids their own skill level, meaning that it is difficult enough to get clips as it is. And trying to get "plasma pistol overkills" is unheard of because of that fact. I feel the reason you most commonly see sniper+BR/DMR montages is because they are the primary weapons that allow players to get multikills, and multikills are what makes a montage these days. That's the problem.

[ItzImprobable]

Personally i feel like the montages are still repetitive as they almost always have been ever since montages have been created. I don' know any of your guy's viewing habits for montages but all the ones I see are overly- offense, fast paced, and most of the time on the same map over and over again. I'd rather see a normal Extermination with there team using it as a advantage to get the next flag cap/bomb arm in then the greatest Halo Extermination of all time. Really thats just me.

[M0NK3YK1Dlol]

i feel like a lot of montages now -a-days are mainly about the medals. it seems a lot of clips get used because they are high mutlikills, but just because a clip has a lot of medals does NOT mean the clip is montage worthy.

[BBbloodbrotherCCCX]

Thanks. I think I will make a montage doing some good but cool things that are different. Not so much go for getting the kills, but to mix it up a bit.

[GreatestHaloVideos]

You know what I miss, funtages! The 3 Rewind funtages in Halo 3 were so hilarious! And just watching those made me crack up and want to watch more. I don't think i've seen 1 funtage in Halo: Reach :/

[Caboose1134]

well i may only have 1 montage but i still can say wat your saying about montages is not true we all have opinions and this is mine your only talking about the montages that youve wat seen and most people are being destructed by some of these "opinions youre saying and Reach is not Hated it is loved by many many people some people like me and i love reach its my favorite of the halo series and mlg is only for people that like to challenge themselves.And Reach is Amazing dont care about bloom.etc

[AbsoluteIKeatI]

1) UGH hearing my own voice.... 2) Thanks for having me on the show, and taking out my mistakes :) 3) My internet sucks right now and I can barely load the video. 4) Good luck H0lmb0m. Getting original clips is so hard but so rewarding. Worth all the effort when you get one though.

[yyGrifHD]

who is absolute keat?

[AbsoluteIKeatI]

@yyGrifHD I am.

[yyGrifHD]

@AbsoluteIKeatI nice to meet you :)

[AbsoluteIKeatI]

@yyGrifHD Indeed. It is quite enchanting to meet thy aswell bro. I have no idea what I just said.

[yyGrifHD]

@AbsoluteIKeatI it's ok bro we still love you

[XCRunner88]

I find that the colors and maps in Reach just don't lend themselves to montages well. They're all just so bland looking to me. Even the remakes are just so ugly now. Also, I'm just so sick of the sniping montages in Reach - they're not interesting anymore. I personally enjoy the less serious ones (both in music choice and gameplay/editing) or ones with creative plays (like Salaya's montages). And as always, Kampy's are interesting due to sheer skill, but also to some creative playing.

[TheUnknown921]

Hey dude we could make the best doubles team, you pwn with your ninja/beast skills and i just follow up behind you and TEABAG THEM. XD

[Leroystenzel]

wait for kampys and bestmans dualtage :D more maps that are more colourfull. ( but all pistol then :/ )

[tjkloet11]

hearing this is sick, cause i get clips but they're unconventional and not like the other montages, so this makes me want to finish mine so much more

[10rlandoo]

10:00 this perfect is some noob :/

[spicyxlilxman]

perhaps the problem is simply with the AMOUNT of montages. when there were only a few players making them, the clips were more carefully selected and varied. when people realized that EVERYONE could make them, the quality dropped. players like salaya are making sick, varied montages that you guys are talking about.

if it was easy to get needler trocities, people would do it. it's much easier to stand small tower and snipe guys.

[tjkloet11]

i had a needler killtac, lol it's going in my montage for sure.

[br4ne]

I think montages have become too serious, I don't think I've seen many montages that actually include campaign and firefight clips, I'm pretty sure there are some hilarious glitches, and also some pretty cool clips you can get. SWAT and Jump montages have become more interesting then the casual and MLG montages because they always have something new and interesting, but montages these days are too repetitive like you say.

[ThinkRocket]

@br4ne I get what you're saying, and I totally agree. Although I prefer MLG montages featuring pros like Ninja, Walshy and the other greats, I'd like to see just one montage of them just going ham with pea-shooter beatdowns or shotgun rampages in Infection. Besides, I think we all know most montage clips in Rumble Pit are based upon playing with REALLY bad people that can't shoot straight. Still, the quad no-scopes they offer just keep me coming back.

[IrreligionX3]

@br4ne they're call fun-tages

[ImmNotMax]

With montages I mainly focus on the visuals. With reach montages, it's pretty much just a 5 minute long massacre on pinnacle. Reach just needs some abstract maps to make gameplay look good again.

Let's face it, if I see pinnacle in another montage.....

[imabrickfromspain]

:D

[h0lmb0m]

Wow amazing Alex and AbsoluteIKeatI!

Since this monday i've been in desperate need of making an insane and original montage. This is such a sign.. Thanks for boosting my motivation-level even further! :D

And oh, did i hear "cap live"? Hahah, what a coincidence (if you've seen my latest one) :3

LETS GO!!!

[BBbloodbrotherCCCX]

@h0lmb0m The problem with capturing live is that not many people have mic's anymore. So even if you try it, people won't react to anything.

[StubbyVideos]

MMMMMM...diversity in montages

[zline34]

First? LFG NO Bloom