She is an Enochian? Another mystic!!! Right, the pre-exilic "religion" was paganism. The "religion" of being deified was paganism. The world of the Hebrew can be encapsulated in Deuteronomy 6:4-6 "Hear Oh Israel, the Lord Our God, the Lord is One." The Nag Hammadi is more mysticism. The reason Israel fell was because they embraced this kind of nonsense. You give evidence after evidence of mystic, pagan Mormonism.
This seven-episode documentary explores Jesus' existence, from premortal life to Second Coming, with the help of Mormon scholars, mostly faculty at Brigham Young University. The main point of the documentary is to show that Jesus is the Son of God, despite what modern historians say. . .
Moreover, early Christianity was about a person, Jesus Christ, and, preeminently, about the event of his death and resurrection. It was also about behavior and conduct. It was definitely not about philosophical theology.
LDS doesn't really believe that Native Americans are the descendants of ' the Lost Tribesof Israel' do they? if so, WHY? if NOT, WHY? is it a secret or something?
@interstellarwonder Yes. The LDS believe that a small group of Israelites left Jerusalem about 600 BC and traveled to the Americas. That is the main story of the Book of Mormon. If you would like more information, see the web site: fairlds.org. They believe that other people were already in the Americas when this group landed. This belief is not a secret.
@interstellarwonder Yes. The LDS believe that a small group of Israelites left Jerusalem about 600 BC and traveled to the Americas. That is the main story of the Book of Mormon. If you would like more information, see the web site, fairlds.org. They believe that other people were already in the Americas when this group landed. This belief is not a secret.
@interstellarwonder Yes. The LDS believe that a small group of Israelites left Jerusalem about 600 BC and traveled to the Americas. That is the main story of the Book of Mormon. If you would like more information, see fairlds.org. They believe that other people were already in the Americas when this group landed. This belief is not a secret.
Yes, the LDS do really believe that a group of Israelites left Jerusalem in 600BC and traveled to the Americas.
It is not a secret. It is the main theme of the Book of Mormon. They also believe that there were already people living in the Americas when this group arrived. Check fairlds.org for more information.
Yes, the LDS do really believe that a group of Israelites left Jerusalem in 600BC and traveled to the Americas.
It is not a secret. It is the main theme of the Book of Mormon. They also believe that there were already people living in the Americas when this group arrived. Check fairlds for more information.
“But even if we or an angel from heaven (moroni) should preach to you a gospel other than what we have preached to you, curse be on him!” Galatians 1:6-9 Mormon’s are not prepared for the coming apocalypse, Huge Sorrow will be to the mormon who refuse to see the truth, You have been warned your fall will be great. Read the BIBLE ONLY!
Although I am not a Mormon, I have to point out that the lack of archaeological evidence (whether that be the case or not) should not stop people from following the religion if they feel that it is a way of right living. I can disprove, using Archaeology, most of the Book of Exodus. Is that going to stop Jews from being Jewish? Absolutely not. Take the Book as you will, but follow it if you feel its principles are right.
@mandersen831 That is false. Look at the Gulf of Aqaba, Nueba beach, and the evidence of chariots wheels on the land bridg that runs from the Nueba beach all the way to the western shore of Saudi Arabia. Then look at Jabal Al Lawz, and the borders at it's base, and also the alters with baal gods carved into them. This split rock at Horeb, the bittr springs or Moreh. You obviously havent looked in the correct area to seee the overwhelmib evidence of the exodus from Egypt!
@yeshualovesme1 I wish it was like you said, however according to archeologist Eric H. Cline, their is no evidence that the exodus happened. To be honest, I find more evidences in the Book of Mormon.
@MisioneriesinChile All it takes is a little research, if you want to know the truth. There have been more than group of people who have recorded such information. Mt. Sinai isnt St. Katherines on the Sinai Penninsula. That was a guess by a woman who didn't know anything about it. The real Mt. Sinai is Jabal Al Lawz.. It is in the soutwestern mountains of west Saudi Arabia, formerly known as Midian in bible times. Therer is a huge monolith called the split rock at Horeb just a few miles away!
@yeshualovesme1 I seen a documentary, which it also talk about the reed sea correct?? but their is still no hard evidence for the exodus. Tell archeologist Eric Cline that, and you will see what he will tell you. If you look at the egyptian records, which they were good to record history, they never mention the exodus. SOme say becuase it was an embarrassment for Pharaoh that he let them go. Also, not much has been found, when the israelites wandered for 40 years.
@MisioneriesinChile You are correct that there is absolutely no evidence that the Israelite wandered the desert IN THE SINAI PENNINSULA. But there is loads of evidence of Israelite/Egyptian culture in Saudi Arabia, which was not ever part of Egypt. It is also very compelling that all of this follows the exact desrption of what Exodus says that we would find. A mountain with markers and alters, a rock that has water erosion marks moving upward, in a plce that get 1/2 inch rainfall every 10 years.
@yeshualovesme1 I know that the exodus happen, I agree but Sinai peninsula is a big place. It will be weird if you don't find a single mountain with markers and alters. however the issue is, were those alters made by the people of the exodus???????? can you proof that????
@MisioneriesinChile PLEASE READ MY WORDS "THE RAL MT SINAI IS CALLED "JABAL AL LAWZ" it s not in the sinai penninsula, it is east of the penninsula,"ACROSS THE RED SEA" IN SAUDI ARABIA. Again it is not in Mt Sinai. READ!!!!!!! All the evidence you want is in Saudi Arabia, formerly called Midyan or Madyan or Midian thousands of years ago. We find maps all the time from thousands of years ago the call this region Midian. Read yor bible and you will see that My.Sinai is in Midian! SHEEEEESH!
@yeshualovesme1 So how can you proof that (" east of the penninsula" ACROSS THE RED SEA" IN SAUDI ARABIA") the ancient Israleties of the exodus were there??? How do you know it was them? and not other ones???
Just finding a alters won't do much. Finding an alters dating to the time of the exodus, and helpful inscription around will be evidence.
@MisioneriesinChile Because the description is exactly what the exodus recrod reveals. The baal gods wer carved into an alter where the famous alter that was erected when they fashioned a Golden calf in Moses' absence. The rock at Horeb and shows erosion marks flowing upward out of the ground, not downward like every other erosion marks in the entire world. Faith is not need when the map shows everything we are looking for. If it (Exodus) was a treasure map. All would know they found the spot!
Fictional people? mentioned in a fabricated story made a non-existent journey to some vague geographical area where they formed enormous nations, fought massive wars in undisclosed locations, wrote contradictory records in an unknown language and subsequently disappeared without leaving a? single shred of evidence they ever existed.
I am glad you kept the word evidence in the title. yours and a UK pastors thoughts about some fruit though interesting cannot be "proof". However you mentioned something about not demeaning the Bible, for the first 5 minutes or so i personally felt like you were telling your audience the Bible isnt teaching about the world at that time correctly. This i feel was not protrayed in a good light. And true people search for proof, but no physical proof supports the Book of Mormon.
If physical proof is all we accept, then what, pray tell, do we honestly do with Jesus? There is no physical proof for him either. See the problem with claiming physical proof as the ONLY possible means of truth?
@TheBackyardProfessor i never said physical proof is all we accept to prove something so i ask politely please dont put words in my mouth. I will stand by physical proof only proving God more, and i know you know how much proof that the parts of the Bible written thousands of years ago explain with great detail too many things to be left to matters of the heart. And if you cant grasp the Bible teaches the coming of Jesus who ascended to God than dont use it to support the LDS faith.
@TheBackyardProfessor Proof is "real locations" huh? Well let's see, Battlestar Galactica mentioned Earth and Earth is a real location therefore according to your logic Battlestar Galactica must be true. I thought "professors" were supposed to spread knowledge, not degrade it. I think the professor needs to go back to school to take a course in logic. Oh, and I give you 3 points in arrogance for thinking a video in the hills lends you credibility.
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Never fails, everytime I watch "Mormon Evidence" videos i never see any evidence! Just a bunch of so called scholars at locations and interviews talking over pictures and Land
@thesignsoflife7 I know, Mormons can't handle the truth because once you go along with a story like that you can't break away from it because you'll look like an idiot. Can u imagine quiting the Mormon church, your friends would laugh at you for believing that crap all those years. The Professor can't say we're right because that would mean he's been wasting his life away to Cursed Blacks, Mexican Jews and... wait for it... a hat that God speaks through, hahahaha!
@thesignsoflife7 is that the hill cumorah where that battle happened? there's A hill cumorah in New York but it isnt said that that was the Battle site. Moroni atthe end of the book of mormon fled from the lamanites, who knows how far he went? he could have gone thousands of miles from the battle at the original hill cumorah. and at the last verses of the book of mormon he could have been on a new hill, which he named himself as hill cumorah, to remember the battle, then buried the plates there
@thesignsoflife7 ok dude, you didnt get what said about hill Cumorah. ok example there are 2 Cities called Frankfurt (i think) there are two statue of liberties, there are two eiffel towers. see a pattern here? could there be TWO hill cumorahs? Think moron! there was a hill cumorah in the book of mormon...it doesnt say that's the only one. the person named Moroni travelled a long time after the battle and before he buried the plates. and as for the people being fictional...can you that up?
@thesignsoflife7 show me where he says that, that hill cumorah is in fact the battle one. show me, he has said that the plates were buried on hill cumorah, he does not say that's the same hill where the battle happened. and really? does this all really matter to you? shut up. get a life.
and...typo's have you heard of them? they kind of happen sometimes
@thesignsoflife7 can you back up your claim of it being fictional? how can you know he made it all up? unless you have hard facts backing up what you say, your just spewing venom.
i never said that actually existed....i believe they did. but i'm not telling you that as a fact. its my opinion that they were real. just like its yours that they made it all up. but try not to go spewing that around facebook as a hard proved fact, you just look stupid. thank you and have a nice day
Just Give me Proof and not Margaret Barker speculations based on, well, just that, speculation. Not going to lie, this is actually fun, I'm not trying to disrespect you, don't take it that way, this is a debate and honestly you haven't made a strong case for your video, there is no evidence to the Mormon Jesus. I feel that you have your right to believe in it because in the end who really knows?
Proof is not an objective thing, so what do YOU consider proof? Not everyone agrees as to what constitutes proof. When someone says what you say, "just give me proof," I already know they haven't got a clue about what constitutes scholarship.
@TheBackyardProfessor Well, I mut say that we have come to agree to disagree because we're not getting anywhere just back and forth. Proof is real locations, people and some sort of artifacts which the Original Bible has all of that. Im just going to let it go because your passionate about your faith as you should be. My thoughts on your religion are different but then again all religions are far fetched really. So once again, this was a fun debate.
You really think locations prove the Bible true?! How so? What does having Jerusalem prove about Jesus? His teachings? There is NO PHYSICAL PROOF even of Jesus' EXISTENCE. Having Jerusalem proves NOTHING about him teaching anything written in the later copies of the New Testament. Having ANY of the locations prove nothing about what Paul taught. We have no PROOF he ever taught what is written, let alone the cities proving his doctrines accurate. You are silly.
@TheBackyardProfessor So now your saying that Proof is just hearsay, not legit, just because you have locations, artifacts and actually JEWS doesn't mean anything. Mormon Jesus had Mexican Indian Jews and they're still here and NY is real and what about the account of the battles, thats right, nothing, nada, there is proof to nothing of this but maybe your right, lol.
Did I say proof is "heresay"? Good gosh man can you comprehend what you read at all? I said proof is a personal thing, not objective. WHAT constitutes PROOF for you? It's not the same for all peoples you know. Come to think of it, I know you don't know. And you never did answer my question that locations cannot prove anything that Jesus taught. Why the silence on that? Does Jerusalem PROVE Jesus taught what the Gospels say he taught? Are there ANY artifacts for his teachings?
@TheBackyardProfessor Since the first Biblical text about Jesus was written fourty years after Jesus' death, then your point about no artifacts to prove Jesus teachings is a compelling argument. But not an argument that LDS scriptures are true, but that the New Testament is false. Bottom line: Jesus' "miracles" were borrowed from various myths that preceded his life over 2000 years. Walking on water, three-day resurrection, water into wine, healing the infirm... all borrowed myths.
I like how you say the BOM has content and is informative, so is SUPERMAN books but I'm not going to think that it's real but then again it written by a man that makes stuff up for his own gain and Superman is an alien sent to the earth to save us all, so yes, SUPERMAN IS REAL!
And you think this refutes the evidence in the video eh? GRIN! Thanks for the laugh. I notice you *refuse* to engage the argument, but bring up something else totally irrelevant to the information.
@LafayetteAzevedo It wasn't irrelevant it was an example of taking fabricated information so seriously that your searching and looking for some kind of evidence to make it appear real. I'm not going to say that the Catholic Bible is 100% fact but the Book of Mormon is so far out there and was written by a man off of gold tablets that he translated by looking into a hat and when finished handed them back to God/Angel/Alien person.
@TheBackyardProfessor Don't you as a person with common sense think that it's a bit out there. JESUS IS NOT - brother of Lucifer, son of God with multiple Gods that each rule different planets, married to multiple women and does not have kids. He didn't go to Mexico (NO PROOF) and teach the JEWS (hahahaha, that's classic). There was no great battle in which there is no evidence too and JOSEPH SMITH WAS FULL OF IT! Common, a bit of common sense.
So your basically saying, "The Book of Mormon is true because this is the AMERICAS version of the Bible." So, let's get this straight, Jesus is an Alien, fought brother Lucifer to rule Earth and Blacks are evil. Oh yea, God got it on (rapped more or less) and then God went to tell the Indian Jews that he's the true God, hahaha. So, let get this straight, the first line in the BOM is that it's based on the Bible but, not at all, hahaha, your a dork. Your reaching to much.
And you are saying things in absolute ignorance of her stance and comments aren't you? You really *don't* know what she says and means like I do, because you haven't read her yet have you? I can tell by how you are talking and arguing. Inform yourself first, then accuse me of something. The ignorant accusing the learned is amusing.
@TheBackyardProfessor Do you know why people trust the Catholic Bible, because they don't know where it came from. The don't know who actually wrote it, who delivered it and how it came to be. They know that the Roman Empire put it together but what about the Old Testament, who wrote that? Mormons have all the answers because someone made them up and I can see that as a good thing but the so-called JESUS in the BOM is no Christian.
Uh dude......I have terrible news for you too, The Jesus in the Bible is NOT Christian either..... You are like a first grader lecturing a college professor. First LEARN something, then come here and pretend you know it all k? You are positively EMBARRASSING yourself.
@TheBackyardProfessor Nope, I'm not, you have nothing to say just to bark back with no bite. I love how you say that JESUS is not Christian in the REAL Bible, did you hear yourself, your an idiot. Thats like saying, "The Bible is just a lie, fake." If Jesus isn't Christian, oh my, then who is CHRIST is which the word comes from, Christ, its in the name Christian, hmm, odd how that works. You shouldn't respond.
Dude......WAKE FLIPPIN UP ALREADY!!!!!!!!!! Jesus was a JEW.......The FIRST Christians were mentioned in Acts. Do you know anything at all? This is like arguing with a kindergartner.......Tell ya what.....I will make you a deal. If you can show me any real Bible scholar who says Jesus was a Christian, I'll eat my hat on camera. But if you actually learn they teach the truth that he was a Jew, then you join Mormonism. PROVE to me Jesus was Christian.
@TheBackyardProfessor Of course he was a JEW, thats his race, Christian is not a race. Christians are mentioned Acts 11:26 and many others but what your not understanding for being so smart is that CHRIST is GOD and Jesus is God and that makes him Christ in which these individuals were worshipping Christ as in God which makes them Christian and when Jesus told them he was Christ the Lord, well that right there makes him GOD, the one, get it, it's all the same.
This argument of yours is every bit as abjectly stupid as the Protestant lady who claimed that "since the King James English was good enough for Jesus it is good enough for me!"
Think about that.....if you even have that capability.
@TheBackyardProfessor Your basing EVIDENCE of the Mormon book on someone elses speculations, come one, thats basing fact on rumor, hearsay, really. How about this, you present evidence of any kind, anything, something that Joseph Smith presented (he never did, just made up scripture) and evidence of these civilizations and I'll just say, "Your right, good job."
@TheBackyardProfessor Let see, Christ our Lord is Jesus which is God whom is Christ which is whom Christians were worshipping, well there you have, God is Christ, the one, which is Jesus, does that make sense, of course not because Mormons think that Jesus is just a representative of God which is the son of God and other mumbo jumbo, you might aswell throw in Scientology with Mormon because they both have Alien Gods.
One God - Corinthians 8:6, Ephesians 4:6, Timothy 2:5 - Not Multiple and Christ is Lord, not one of many Gods
False Prophets - Matthew 7:15, Matthew 24:11, Mark 13:22, Corinthians 11:13,Peter 2:1 - Joseph Smith and all the fakes after him in the Mormon writings
One Gospel - Galatians 1:8 - There is only one, not a Modern America's Gospel
No we don't, but don't let that stop you from lying all over the place about it. I notice *you* won't touch the content of this video yet. Gee, I bet it's because you can't. Are you going to deal with the information or continue ignoring it.
This is your 'realistic evidence'?? What an insult.
The fact that you would stoop as low as to accept the theological notions of a liberal woman Methodist 'minister' because some of her errors overlap Joseph Smith's is proof that you have no shame and no credibility.
Ms. Barker is part of a church system that has left England groping in utter spiritual darkness, a void which the Muslims and cults (JWs, Mormons, etc) are exploiting with glee.
LOL! You wouldn't know scholarship if it hit you on the nose. Go ahead a d vomit (what a positiively **WEIRD** reaction). The dirt archaeology NEVER has the FINAL answers, why would I pretend it does as you so ridiculously try to do? Is archaeology the ONLY possible kind of evidence? Can you prove that using scholarship? Good luck!
I have the nerve?!? Dang right, get over it. This is a free country chump. Prattle? Look who's complaining! REFUTE Barker and stop slobbering on stupidly about it already. REFUTE the information.
Smith woved elements of christianity and judiasm when creatin the BoM, and this woman he's reading from believes it? It would seem she needs a bit more education on the topic.
She's fluent in 4 languages that I am aware of, has written numerous books, NONE of which you have ever read, and has been teaching comparative religions for decades. What makes you POSSIBLY think YOU can assess her supposed ignorance? What, you think she ought to read the Tanners? chortle!
@TheBackyardProfessor Right, she's an expert yet she's unaware of the copy and paste job smith does with the BoM and the KJV, one of the worst translations of the bible at the time. You say she's an expert in languages, yet she's unaware that no traces of hebrew language has ever been found in pre-colonial america. No artifacts have ever been found regaurding the BoM, many of the animals named in it such as the horse did not exist in the america's, and don't get me started o nthe BoA.
As blatantly and obviously ignorant as you are about the Bible, not to mention the Book of Mormon, I bet you are a howler when it comes to the Book of Abraham!
@TheBackyardProfessor Unlike you 'proffessor' I actually have a degree in religion. Not that it matters. You on the other hand, rather than replying with some kind of logical argument, decided to simply relly on quick tempered insults. If you had any real evidences, you would not need to do this now would you?
You have a degree in religion? Whoa! Obviously you threw that money down the drain now didn't you? It certainly didn't help you understand Margaret Barker at all did it? It certainly didn't teach you how to learn and understand much did it?
Tell you what oh knowledgable one, read Barker's materials, and SHOW me how she is wrong. I don't need a piece of paper to tell me I have brains, I read...a lot. I KNOW what Barker writes, do You? Yet you ridicule her?!
Saying she needs further education on this topic is hardly ridicule, as for her assesments, I've never heard of her before your video, I only have your claims here. And I notice that I listed a long line of problems with this so called 'evidence' and thus far your only responce has been to insult me, or claim you read a lot so you must have 'brains'. Were you planning on giving an intellegent, logical, or empiracle responce at some point?
@humanistheart I too have a minor in religious studies (majoring in Poli), and I usually just call it what it is: a minor. Just sayin', it is disingenuous to say you have a degree in religion--that implies at least a full BA, but usually means an MA or PhD. In any case, trying to whip out the fact that you have a degree in something is an appeal to authority, and as such doesn't have a place in a logical argument. (I am not Mormon, just calling you on a specious argument)
@humanistheart It is not a fact. As I said, it is an exaggeration. And you're right, I guess it was not technically a part of your argument, but it seemed like you trying to intimidate him or something and mock his nickname, when you're just an undergraduate yourself. It rubbed me the wrong way, but then again I'm just someone on the internet so you're free to do what you want.
Wow, your so smart your dumb. There is no prof of the BOM lands and people. Did I say there is no prof of the BOM lands and people . DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB
@canadianbacon007 Ah, much like the Professor here you have chosen not to attempt to defend the credibility of this videos title concerning evidence for the Book of Mormon. Instead youve differed to an irrelevant issue. While Im glad you can have something to cling to since your beliefs are so easily shattered, the avoidance tactics employed here are growing stale.
Another evidence for the Book of Mormon I see. Tell me, when did insulting people become equivalent to reason, logic, and fact? Or perhaps this is exclusive to the Mormon position? No, there are some well informed mormons out there. This must be a condition native to youtube lds members.
Man... what the hell are you talking about?! Go and watch The Bible vs The Book Of Mormon, and come back with arguments against their claims... if you have any.
You let everyone else do your thinking for you? That video has been absolutely destroyed. But don't worry. Stay on your own side and in your own box and continue feeling safe from the truth.
5:30 - we have a problem. The Hebrew text does not refer to a virgin, but to a young woman. The notion of virgin birth was not even part of original Christianity (or its texts) for the first few generations, whereupon the term "virgin" was added by scribes to invoke their misunderstanding of Isaiah's prophecy (See Ehrman, B. "Misquoting Jesus"). The BOM then absorbs the same near-modern error, and presents it as an ancient writing. Whoops!
As much as I respect Margaret Barker, she is unaware that much of the book of Mormon plagiarizes the King James version of the Bible intact with KJV translation errors. The Book of Mormon sounds biblical to her, because 27,000 words are lifted directly from the KJV text. Nephi especially!
The 27,000 words lifted directly still accounts for a small fraction of the overall text. Further, there are some differences that are interesting. I reference 2 Nephi 12:16, which snatches text from both Hebrew and Greek translations, while the KJV only uses the Hebrew.
Defending a quote from a well documented plagiarized piece of literature is terrible scholarship.
The first century believers understood the words of Jesus when he said,
"I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened." -Matthew 24:34
The true "latter day saints", where those individuals of the first century who experienced the coming of Christ in judgment upon Jerusalem in 70 C.E. at His parousia.
if the gospel of the lord god is so important "which I believe it is" why couldn't got take those words to other people. God cannot Plagiarize himself because He is the author of the Bible and The Book of Mormon.
@BMIMark1 You mean QUOTED? Did you know it actually refers to Isaiah? Plagiarism means copying and taking the credit. Nephi or Book of Mormon didn't take a credit. It did mention that it's a direct quote from Isaiah.
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I watched this hoping you had unearthed something that would be relevant to the cause of Mormonism. Something like a burial site of the millions of decendants of warriors said to have been slaughtered across the continent of America. Perhaps you had located ancient Zarahemla or found the pre-columbian horses, grain and steel that have yet to be unearthed. Instead you read from a book in a shill, high pitched, unnerving voice that rendered anything you had to say useless. Thanks....
great.: As usual you guys don't pay attention to sources offered that do give evidences. Instead you got to make issues over how a person speaks, & ask for evidences that if he had talked about & provided, still wouldn't be evidences in your closed mind. Horses, grain, steel, have been found: Source: Joshua Moses Bennett, The Gospel of the Great Spirit.
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@brian8793 according to Joseph Smith he was better than Jesus:
"I have more to boast of than any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such work as I" (History of the Church, Vol.6, pp. 408-09).
He never said he was better than Jesus. Jesus didn't have enough time to establish the Church the way Joseph did. It wasn't time. Joseph has done more for the salvation of mankind SAVE IT JESUS CHRIST.
OK, polytheist., How dare any man put himself on the same level as Jesus, LORD and Saviour. There is none like him, he is God in the flesh and was sinless (John10:30, Hebrews 4:15). Your false prophet was just a man whose lies have been pointed out time and time again. I mean that "temple" in Independence took a little longer than Smith said huh? (D &C 84:2-5,31) And Jesus is about 109 years late in His second coming according to Smith isn't he? (History of the Church, vol. 2, p. 189)
Thanks for making this presentation. The glory of God is intelligence and truth. So the intelligence presented when combined with truth (heart felt) and prayer brings the glory or revelation of God.
Dr. Hugh Nibley commenting on our research (Nov 7, 2003), "...After this, those who challenge the Book of Mormon will have some heavy explaining to do."
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All evidence thru hard work have really paid off and the NON LDS scholarship keep giving up ground and conforming to what LDS scholarship has said all along.
What I would like to know is where are those vast cities described in the BOM. Nowhere. BOM is part knowledge at the time, part myth, part JS's imagination. The same for the Bible, but not JS's imagination, but other people's.
Yeah, I did what you said and did my reading and thinking first. In fact, I read as much material as I could find--the BOM and its ancillary titles, followed by apologist works and critics. Then I did some thinking. My thinking tells me that the LDS faith is so laughably false it doesn't even compare with Islam, and that is saying something.
Dr. Hugh Nibley commenting on our research (Nov 7, 2003), "...After this, those who challenge the Book of Mormon will have some heavy explaining to do."
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All the new evidence pointing to geography and physical evidence found since 2003 makes the Smithsonian Institutes Statement of 1996 about obsolete.
If I want data on history or geogrpahy or anthropology I choose the Smithsonian & Natl Geographic over the Professor (sorry). Both institutions have stated that no artifact verifying any event, person or place in the BOM has been found and passed scientific examination.
Worse,BOM evidence is missing - bones, "cement" foundations, "steel" swords & chariots, Egyptian writings (lol), synagogues, roads, etc. So who's right - the LDS or every other scientific field? Uh, let's see....
Too bad the BOM, D&C and Pearl of Price is all good fantasy put together by a con man. It jives with nothing. No artifacts anywhere and NO DNA............
Any story can be twisted to fit any literature or available documents then presented to open ear, weak minded individuals. Just another sales strategy.
I suggest you stay in your own private Idaho. Too bad, no planet for you........
with some silly nonsense trying to defend thier beliefs. You appear to be intellegent Mr. Professor but your mind is closed to reality. Face it , Mormonism is fantasy for weak minds who are soul searching........
And by your comment to my comment you prove you're about as well read as a flea. See? Ain't this fun, posting all sorts of nonsense and insensibilities and nothing worthy of content? I can do it almost as good as you do. I must confess though, it is most impressive how worthless your information content is.
That's because you *can't* debate me in content, so you choose hot, meaningless air. I am not self-ordained you dork. It's a name my wife first called me, and my friends loved it so it stuck. If you bothered to learn instead of pretending you know anything, you'd save yourself from embarrassment. No content discussion? Then why are you posting? For snide comments? I'll delete your waste of my time comments if they remain without content. Put up or shut up already.
Dr. Hugh Nibley commenting on our research (Nov 7, 2003), "...After this, those who challenge the Book of Mormon will have some heavy explaining to do."
jefflindsay . com
fairlds . org
All the new evidence pointing to geography and physical evidence found since 2003 makes the Smithsonian Institutes Statement of 1996 about obsolete.
.........and then Some Man named Joesph shows up with 30 wives in tow, telling You to put down your Bible & Beliefs, and walk away from your Church & Read the BOM, Marry as Woman as you like, and follow him from Now on, because God & Jesus spoke to him and told him the was the Last prophet., and it was the end times.
1840 a Christian family is living a good life, raising kids, trying to teach them about God, and trying to instill in them Good morels, teaching them to do the right thing in God's name, going to Church on Sundays, having Bible study on every Wednesday, ..........
She is an Enochian? Another mystic!!! Right, the pre-exilic "religion" was paganism. The "religion" of being deified was paganism. The world of the Hebrew can be encapsulated in Deuteronomy 6:4-6 "Hear Oh Israel, the Lord Our God, the Lord is One." The Nag Hammadi is more mysticism. The reason Israel fell was because they embraced this kind of nonsense. You give evidence after evidence of mystic, pagan Mormonism.
GmaM11 6 months ago
Oh my, he's serious, isn't he?
BigIdeaSeeker 7 months ago
This seven-episode documentary explores Jesus' existence, from premortal life to Second Coming, with the help of Mormon scholars, mostly faculty at Brigham Young University. The main point of the documentary is to show that Jesus is the Son of God, despite what modern historians say. . .
omiolo 11 months ago
Moreover, early Christianity was about a person, Jesus Christ, and, preeminently, about the event of his death and resurrection. It was also about behavior and conduct. It was definitely not about philosophical theology.
omiolo 11 months ago
@omiolo
Great points Omiolo.....
TheBackyardProfessor 11 months ago
LDS doesn't really believe that Native Americans are the descendants of ' the Lost Tribesof Israel' do they? if so, WHY? if NOT, WHY? is it a secret or something?
interstellarwonder 1 year ago
@interstellarwonder Yes. The LDS believe that a small group of Israelites left Jerusalem about 600 BC and traveled to the Americas. That is the main story of the Book of Mormon. If you would like more information, see the web site: fairlds.org. They believe that other people were already in the Americas when this group landed. This belief is not a secret.
GaryKColeman 1 year ago
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@interstellarwonder Yes. The LDS believe that a small group of Israelites left Jerusalem about 600 BC and traveled to the Americas. That is the main story of the Book of Mormon. If you would like more information, see the web site, fairlds.org. They believe that other people were already in the Americas when this group landed. This belief is not a secret.
GaryKColeman 1 year ago
@interstellarwonder Yes. The LDS believe that a small group of Israelites left Jerusalem about 600 BC and traveled to the Americas. That is the main story of the Book of Mormon. If you would like more information, see fairlds.org. They believe that other people were already in the Americas when this group landed. This belief is not a secret.
GaryKColeman 1 year ago
@interstellarwonder
Yes, the LDS do really believe that a group of Israelites left Jerusalem in 600BC and traveled to the Americas.
It is not a secret. It is the main theme of the Book of Mormon. They also believe that there were already people living in the Americas when this group arrived. Check fairlds.org for more information.
GaryKColeman 1 year ago
@interstellarwonder
Yes, the LDS do really believe that a group of Israelites left Jerusalem in 600BC and traveled to the Americas.
It is not a secret. It is the main theme of the Book of Mormon. They also believe that there were already people living in the Americas when this group arrived. Check fairlds for more information.
GaryKColeman 1 year ago
@interstellarwonder Sorry for the multiple posts. I thought youtube wasn't allowing them through.
GaryKColeman 1 year ago
LDS Church: Racist, money loving, stoners, and most importantly a bunch of mindless-zombies.
TheSlipknotfan77 1 year ago
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“But even if we or an angel from heaven (moroni) should preach to you a gospel other than what we have preached to you, curse be on him!” Galatians 1:6-9 Mormon’s are not prepared for the coming apocalypse, Huge Sorrow will be to the mormon who refuse to see the truth, You have been warned your fall will be great. Read the BIBLE ONLY!
imationqwest 1 year ago
Although I am not a Mormon, I have to point out that the lack of archaeological evidence (whether that be the case or not) should not stop people from following the religion if they feel that it is a way of right living. I can disprove, using Archaeology, most of the Book of Exodus. Is that going to stop Jews from being Jewish? Absolutely not. Take the Book as you will, but follow it if you feel its principles are right.
mandersen831 1 year ago
@mandersen831 That is false. Look at the Gulf of Aqaba, Nueba beach, and the evidence of chariots wheels on the land bridg that runs from the Nueba beach all the way to the western shore of Saudi Arabia. Then look at Jabal Al Lawz, and the borders at it's base, and also the alters with baal gods carved into them. This split rock at Horeb, the bittr springs or Moreh. You obviously havent looked in the correct area to seee the overwhelmib evidence of the exodus from Egypt!
yeshualovesme1 11 months ago
@yeshualovesme1 I wish it was like you said, however according to archeologist Eric H. Cline, their is no evidence that the exodus happened. To be honest, I find more evidences in the Book of Mormon.
MisioneriesinChile 11 months ago
@MisioneriesinChile All it takes is a little research, if you want to know the truth. There have been more than group of people who have recorded such information. Mt. Sinai isnt St. Katherines on the Sinai Penninsula. That was a guess by a woman who didn't know anything about it. The real Mt. Sinai is Jabal Al Lawz.. It is in the soutwestern mountains of west Saudi Arabia, formerly known as Midian in bible times. Therer is a huge monolith called the split rock at Horeb just a few miles away!
yeshualovesme1 11 months ago
@yeshualovesme1 I seen a documentary, which it also talk about the reed sea correct?? but their is still no hard evidence for the exodus. Tell archeologist Eric Cline that, and you will see what he will tell you. If you look at the egyptian records, which they were good to record history, they never mention the exodus. SOme say becuase it was an embarrassment for Pharaoh that he let them go. Also, not much has been found, when the israelites wandered for 40 years.
MisioneriesinChile 11 months ago
@MisioneriesinChile You are correct that there is absolutely no evidence that the Israelite wandered the desert IN THE SINAI PENNINSULA. But there is loads of evidence of Israelite/Egyptian culture in Saudi Arabia, which was not ever part of Egypt. It is also very compelling that all of this follows the exact desrption of what Exodus says that we would find. A mountain with markers and alters, a rock that has water erosion marks moving upward, in a plce that get 1/2 inch rainfall every 10 years.
yeshualovesme1 11 months ago
@yeshualovesme1 evidences but no proof correct??
MisioneriesinChile 11 months ago
@yeshualovesme1 I know that the exodus happen, I agree but Sinai peninsula is a big place. It will be weird if you don't find a single mountain with markers and alters. however the issue is, were those alters made by the people of the exodus???????? can you proof that????
MisioneriesinChile 11 months ago
@MisioneriesinChile PLEASE READ MY WORDS "THE RAL MT SINAI IS CALLED "JABAL AL LAWZ" it s not in the sinai penninsula, it is east of the penninsula,"ACROSS THE RED SEA" IN SAUDI ARABIA. Again it is not in Mt Sinai. READ!!!!!!! All the evidence you want is in Saudi Arabia, formerly called Midyan or Madyan or Midian thousands of years ago. We find maps all the time from thousands of years ago the call this region Midian. Read yor bible and you will see that My.Sinai is in Midian! SHEEEEESH!
yeshualovesme1 11 months ago
@yeshualovesme1 So how can you proof that (" east of the penninsula" ACROSS THE RED SEA" IN SAUDI ARABIA") the ancient Israleties of the exodus were there??? How do you know it was them? and not other ones???
Just finding a alters won't do much. Finding an alters dating to the time of the exodus, and helpful inscription around will be evidence.
MisioneriesinChile 11 months ago
@MisioneriesinChile Because the description is exactly what the exodus recrod reveals. The baal gods wer carved into an alter where the famous alter that was erected when they fashioned a Golden calf in Moses' absence. The rock at Horeb and shows erosion marks flowing upward out of the ground, not downward like every other erosion marks in the entire world. Faith is not need when the map shows everything we are looking for. If it (Exodus) was a treasure map. All would know they found the spot!
yeshualovesme1 11 months ago
@yeshualovesme1 but anyways, thanks for the information, I know that the exodus really happened.
MisioneriesinChile 11 months ago
Book of Mormon:
Fictional people? mentioned in a fabricated story made a non-existent journey to some vague geographical area where they formed enormous nations, fought massive wars in undisclosed locations, wrote contradictory records in an unknown language and subsequently disappeared without leaving a? single shred of evidence they ever existed.
Bible:
martlut 1 year ago
realistic evidence ?
what ? because the book of mormon mentions Zedekiah. !*#?
...... so does the bible ( JS might just of had a hard copy ? )
read Jeremiah 29; 21 ( old testament )
hardly revelation. or hard evidence for that matter.
kramd1 1 year ago
White Grapes on the Tree of Life?!
That happens to be in the Quran, which was mistranslated as the 72 black eyed maidens (72 Virgins).
BruderIsidore 1 year ago
I am glad you kept the word evidence in the title. yours and a UK pastors thoughts about some fruit though interesting cannot be "proof". However you mentioned something about not demeaning the Bible, for the first 5 minutes or so i personally felt like you were telling your audience the Bible isnt teaching about the world at that time correctly. This i feel was not protrayed in a good light. And true people search for proof, but no physical proof supports the Book of Mormon.
blckchrysda 1 year ago 3
@blckchrysda
If physical proof is all we accept, then what, pray tell, do we honestly do with Jesus? There is no physical proof for him either. See the problem with claiming physical proof as the ONLY possible means of truth?
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor i never said physical proof is all we accept to prove something so i ask politely please dont put words in my mouth. I will stand by physical proof only proving God more, and i know you know how much proof that the parts of the Bible written thousands of years ago explain with great detail too many things to be left to matters of the heart. And if you cant grasp the Bible teaches the coming of Jesus who ascended to God than dont use it to support the LDS faith.
blckchrysda 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor
Since the universe is made out of physical bodies, I see it fit to accept physical evidence as truth.
Seroster 1 year ago
so wheres the evidence?
CDspartan21 1 year ago
@CDspartan21 he gets around to here and again. I nicknamed him "The Peregrination Professor. Should have been a defense lawyer
IExposeMormonism 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor Proof is "real locations" huh? Well let's see, Battlestar Galactica mentioned Earth and Earth is a real location therefore according to your logic Battlestar Galactica must be true. I thought "professors" were supposed to spread knowledge, not degrade it. I think the professor needs to go back to school to take a course in logic. Oh, and I give you 3 points in arrogance for thinking a video in the hills lends you credibility.
whanethewhip 1 year ago
Dopp said, "We rise at 6:30 every morning. We begin every day with prayer and scripture study until we set out for the day at 10. During the mornings we aren't traveling, we try to visit the local food banks or other service oriented organizations where we can lend a hand."
omiolo 1 year ago
Never fails, everytime I watch "Mormon Evidence" videos i never see any evidence! Just a bunch of so called scholars at locations and interviews talking over pictures and Land
breezwonder 1 year ago
LafayetteAzevedo:
You're right, the Bible is at least based on reality, the Book of Mormon is a fabrication.
Thousands of people allegedly fought in massive battles at a hill 'Cumorah', in NY state according to the 'Book of Mormon'.
Evidence for these battles is totally and completely absent.
It's so bad that Mormons now question the location of Cumorah when their own books have their 'prophet' saying it was NY.
They refuse to search the hill, naturally. Can you imagine if they did!?
Oops!
thesignsoflife7 1 year ago
@thesignsoflife7 I know, Mormons can't handle the truth because once you go along with a story like that you can't break away from it because you'll look like an idiot. Can u imagine quiting the Mormon church, your friends would laugh at you for believing that crap all those years. The Professor can't say we're right because that would mean he's been wasting his life away to Cursed Blacks, Mexican Jews and... wait for it... a hat that God speaks through, hahahaha!
LafayetteAzevedo 1 year ago
@LafayetteAzevedo
It's worse, they are taught that their 'prophet' speaks for God, if you go against the 'prophet' you're going against God.
They don't just lose respect, 'exmo' people often lose their families and friends when they figure out it's a fraud and get out.
They're so stuck for real proof they'll stoop to using twaddle from just about anywhere. This latest one from the vacuous Ms. Barker is just too much.
It's all a sham, plain and simple.
thesignsoflife7 1 year ago
@thesignsoflife7 is that the hill cumorah where that battle happened? there's A hill cumorah in New York but it isnt said that that was the Battle site. Moroni atthe end of the book of mormon fled from the lamanites, who knows how far he went? he could have gone thousands of miles from the battle at the original hill cumorah. and at the last verses of the book of mormon he could have been on a new hill, which he named himself as hill cumorah, to remember the battle, then buried the plates there
Aknight292 1 year ago
@Aknight292
None of the people you just mentioned ever existed. It's not real. Smith made it all up.
Read this again: Smith himself said the Cumorah was in NY.
So who can it be anywhere else?! Think.
thesignsoflife7 1 year ago
@thesignsoflife7 ok dude, you didnt get what said about hill Cumorah. ok example there are 2 Cities called Frankfurt (i think) there are two statue of liberties, there are two eiffel towers. see a pattern here? could there be TWO hill cumorahs? Think moron! there was a hill cumorah in the book of mormon...it doesnt say that's the only one. the person named Moroni travelled a long time after the battle and before he buried the plates. and as for the people being fictional...can you that up?
Aknight292 1 year ago
@Aknight292
Only a Mormon could come up with specious logic like that.
Your own prophet said that the Hill was in NY and it was there that fierce battles took place.
What more do you want?
Being called a moron by a Mormon who can't spell is at least entertaining...
thesignsoflife7 1 year ago
@thesignsoflife7 show me where he says that, that hill cumorah is in fact the battle one. show me, he has said that the plates were buried on hill cumorah, he does not say that's the same hill where the battle happened. and really? does this all really matter to you? shut up. get a life.
and...typo's have you heard of them? they kind of happen sometimes
Aknight292 1 year ago
@Aknight292
Ok, YouTube won't let me post links.
I have a link to a letter from the Mormon President that talks about Cumorah.
I have sent a message to your inbox.
thesignsoflife7 1 year ago
@thesignsoflife7 can you back up your claim of it being fictional? how can you know he made it all up? unless you have hard facts backing up what you say, your just spewing venom.
i never said that actually existed....i believe they did. but i'm not telling you that as a fact. its my opinion that they were real. just like its yours that they made it all up. but try not to go spewing that around facebook as a hard proved fact, you just look stupid. thank you and have a nice day
Aknight292 1 year ago
@thesignsoflife7 oops haha not facebook. Youtube.
Aknight292 1 year ago
Just Give me Proof and not Margaret Barker speculations based on, well, just that, speculation. Not going to lie, this is actually fun, I'm not trying to disrespect you, don't take it that way, this is a debate and honestly you haven't made a strong case for your video, there is no evidence to the Mormon Jesus. I feel that you have your right to believe in it because in the end who really knows?
LafayetteAzevedo 1 year ago
@LafayetteAzevedo
Proof is not an objective thing, so what do YOU consider proof? Not everyone agrees as to what constitutes proof. When someone says what you say, "just give me proof," I already know they haven't got a clue about what constitutes scholarship.
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor Well, I mut say that we have come to agree to disagree because we're not getting anywhere just back and forth. Proof is real locations, people and some sort of artifacts which the Original Bible has all of that. Im just going to let it go because your passionate about your faith as you should be. My thoughts on your religion are different but then again all religions are far fetched really. So once again, this was a fun debate.
LafayetteAzevedo 1 year ago
@LafayetteAzevedo
You really think locations prove the Bible true?! How so? What does having Jerusalem prove about Jesus? His teachings? There is NO PHYSICAL PROOF even of Jesus' EXISTENCE. Having Jerusalem proves NOTHING about him teaching anything written in the later copies of the New Testament. Having ANY of the locations prove nothing about what Paul taught. We have no PROOF he ever taught what is written, let alone the cities proving his doctrines accurate. You are silly.
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor So now your saying that Proof is just hearsay, not legit, just because you have locations, artifacts and actually JEWS doesn't mean anything. Mormon Jesus had Mexican Indian Jews and they're still here and NY is real and what about the account of the battles, thats right, nothing, nada, there is proof to nothing of this but maybe your right, lol.
LafayetteAzevedo 1 year ago
@LafayetteAzevedo
Did I say proof is "heresay"? Good gosh man can you comprehend what you read at all? I said proof is a personal thing, not objective. WHAT constitutes PROOF for you? It's not the same for all peoples you know. Come to think of it, I know you don't know. And you never did answer my question that locations cannot prove anything that Jesus taught. Why the silence on that? Does Jerusalem PROVE Jesus taught what the Gospels say he taught? Are there ANY artifacts for his teachings?
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor Proof of his teachings is called the BIBLE, the 1 true gospel.
LafayetteAzevedo 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor Since the first Biblical text about Jesus was written fourty years after Jesus' death, then your point about no artifacts to prove Jesus teachings is a compelling argument. But not an argument that LDS scriptures are true, but that the New Testament is false. Bottom line: Jesus' "miracles" were borrowed from various myths that preceded his life over 2000 years. Walking on water, three-day resurrection, water into wine, healing the infirm... all borrowed myths.
CaptainMacNasty 1 year ago
I like how you say the BOM has content and is informative, so is SUPERMAN books but I'm not going to think that it's real but then again it written by a man that makes stuff up for his own gain and Superman is an alien sent to the earth to save us all, so yes, SUPERMAN IS REAL!
LafayetteAzevedo 1 year ago
@LafayetteAzevedo
And you think this refutes the evidence in the video eh? GRIN! Thanks for the laugh. I notice you *refuse* to engage the argument, but bring up something else totally irrelevant to the information.
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
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LafayetteAzevedo 1 year ago
@LafayetteAzevedo It wasn't irrelevant it was an example of taking fabricated information so seriously that your searching and looking for some kind of evidence to make it appear real. I'm not going to say that the Catholic Bible is 100% fact but the Book of Mormon is so far out there and was written by a man off of gold tablets that he translated by looking into a hat and when finished handed them back to God/Angel/Alien person.
LafayetteAzevedo 1 year ago
@LafayetteAzevedo
The Catholic Bible is 100% fact? Now just who has got to be absolutely kidding?
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
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@LafayetteAzevedo I guess you can't read - I'm not going to say that the Catholic Bible is 100% fact
LafayetteAzevedo 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor Don't you as a person with common sense think that it's a bit out there. JESUS IS NOT - brother of Lucifer, son of God with multiple Gods that each rule different planets, married to multiple women and does not have kids. He didn't go to Mexico (NO PROOF) and teach the JEWS (hahahaha, that's classic). There was no great battle in which there is no evidence too and JOSEPH SMITH WAS FULL OF IT! Common, a bit of common sense.
LafayetteAzevedo 1 year ago
@LafayetteAzevedo
Your common sense is ludicrous. Don't rely on it so much. Your views of Jesus are pathetically inadequate.
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
So your basically saying, "The Book of Mormon is true because this is the AMERICAS version of the Bible." So, let's get this straight, Jesus is an Alien, fought brother Lucifer to rule Earth and Blacks are evil. Oh yea, God got it on (rapped more or less) and then God went to tell the Indian Jews that he's the true God, hahaha. So, let get this straight, the first line in the BOM is that it's based on the Bible but, not at all, hahaha, your a dork. Your reaching to much.
LafayetteAzevedo 1 year ago
@LafayetteAzevedo
If I am teaching to much, you are woefully inadequately reading. You need to hop it up at least 12 fold......
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor I said REACHING, not teaching, your looking for answers that aren't there and your using this women's suggestions as evidence.
LafayetteAzevedo 1 year ago
@LafayetteAzevedo
And you are saying things in absolute ignorance of her stance and comments aren't you? You really *don't* know what she says and means like I do, because you haven't read her yet have you? I can tell by how you are talking and arguing. Inform yourself first, then accuse me of something. The ignorant accusing the learned is amusing.
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor Do you know why people trust the Catholic Bible, because they don't know where it came from. The don't know who actually wrote it, who delivered it and how it came to be. They know that the Roman Empire put it together but what about the Old Testament, who wrote that? Mormons have all the answers because someone made them up and I can see that as a good thing but the so-called JESUS in the BOM is no Christian.
LafayetteAzevedo 1 year ago
@LafayetteAzevedo
Uh dude......I have terrible news for you too, The Jesus in the Bible is NOT Christian either..... You are like a first grader lecturing a college professor. First LEARN something, then come here and pretend you know it all k? You are positively EMBARRASSING yourself.
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor Nope, I'm not, you have nothing to say just to bark back with no bite. I love how you say that JESUS is not Christian in the REAL Bible, did you hear yourself, your an idiot. Thats like saying, "The Bible is just a lie, fake." If Jesus isn't Christian, oh my, then who is CHRIST is which the word comes from, Christ, its in the name Christian, hmm, odd how that works. You shouldn't respond.
LafayetteAzevedo 1 year ago
@LafayetteAzevedo
Dude......WAKE FLIPPIN UP ALREADY!!!!!!!!!! Jesus was a JEW.......The FIRST Christians were mentioned in Acts. Do you know anything at all? This is like arguing with a kindergartner.......Tell ya what.....I will make you a deal. If you can show me any real Bible scholar who says Jesus was a Christian, I'll eat my hat on camera. But if you actually learn they teach the truth that he was a Jew, then you join Mormonism. PROVE to me Jesus was Christian.
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor Of course he was a JEW, thats his race, Christian is not a race. Christians are mentioned Acts 11:26 and many others but what your not understanding for being so smart is that CHRIST is GOD and Jesus is God and that makes him Christ in which these individuals were worshipping Christ as in God which makes them Christian and when Jesus told them he was Christ the Lord, well that right there makes him GOD, the one, get it, it's all the same.
LafayetteAzevedo 1 year ago
@LafayetteAzevedo
This argument of yours is every bit as abjectly stupid as the Protestant lady who claimed that "since the King James English was good enough for Jesus it is good enough for me!"
Think about that.....if you even have that capability.
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor Your basing EVIDENCE of the Mormon book on someone elses speculations, come one, thats basing fact on rumor, hearsay, really. How about this, you present evidence of any kind, anything, something that Joseph Smith presented (he never did, just made up scripture) and evidence of these civilizations and I'll just say, "Your right, good job."
LafayetteAzevedo 1 year ago
@LafayetteAzevedo
You FIRST present evidence that Jesus was a Christian, and then I will do my part. GOOD LUCK with that, You are ***seriously**** going to need it.
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor Let see, Christ our Lord is Jesus which is God whom is Christ which is whom Christians were worshipping, well there you have, God is Christ, the one, which is Jesus, does that make sense, of course not because Mormons think that Jesus is just a representative of God which is the son of God and other mumbo jumbo, you might aswell throw in Scientology with Mormon because they both have Alien Gods.
LafayetteAzevedo 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor I'm going to say this to you so you understand.
One God - Corinthians 8:6, Ephesians 4:6, Timothy 2:5 - Not Multiple and Christ is Lord, not one of many Gods
False Prophets - Matthew 7:15, Matthew 24:11, Mark 13:22, Corinthians 11:13,Peter 2:1 - Joseph Smith and all the fakes after him in the Mormon writings
One Gospel - Galatians 1:8 - There is only one, not a Modern America's Gospel
LafayetteAzevedo 1 year ago
@LafayetteAzevedo
Your prooftexting is weak at best.
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
humanistheart:
I got the same treatment from the 'professor'. Long on ad hominem attacks, short on evidence.
Keep in mind:
No artifact substantiating the Book of Mormon has ever been found.
No document, no inscription, no building, no chariot wheel, no arrow head, nothing.
The site of huge battles - the Hill Cumorrah - is totally devoid of any corroborating evidence.
Mormons are getting desperate.
Read their replies to people, they never present valid arguments, they just spew insults.
thesignsoflife7 1 year ago
@thesignsoflife7
No we don't, but don't let that stop you from lying all over the place about it. I notice *you* won't touch the content of this video yet. Gee, I bet it's because you can't. Are you going to deal with the information or continue ignoring it.
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
Kerry, are you serious?
This is your 'realistic evidence'?? What an insult.
The fact that you would stoop as low as to accept the theological notions of a liberal woman Methodist 'minister' because some of her errors overlap Joseph Smith's is proof that you have no shame and no credibility.
Ms. Barker is part of a church system that has left England groping in utter spiritual darkness, a void which the Muslims and cults (JWs, Mormons, etc) are exploiting with glee.
Seriously. Is this a joke?
thesignsoflife7 1 year ago
@thesignsoflife7
You are arguing like an idiot.
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor
You don't insult me, you insult scholarship sir.
You have the nerve to drive into the hills just to read the blinded prattle of a person like Barker and expect it will help your cause???
I wasn't sure whether to laugh or vomit when you brought out her book. Unbelievable gall.
Settle this like a man Kerry, get out your shovel and start digging.
Your video says, "realistic evidence' but you have none, do you?
Just more insults.
thesignsoflife7 1 year ago
@thesignsoflife7
LOL! You wouldn't know scholarship if it hit you on the nose. Go ahead a d vomit (what a positiively **WEIRD** reaction). The dirt archaeology NEVER has the FINAL answers, why would I pretend it does as you so ridiculously try to do? Is archaeology the ONLY possible kind of evidence? Can you prove that using scholarship? Good luck!
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
@thesignsoflife7
I have the nerve?!? Dang right, get over it. This is a free country chump. Prattle? Look who's complaining! REFUTE Barker and stop slobbering on stupidly about it already. REFUTE the information.
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
Already been done.
Did YOU verify Barker's specious suppositions before referring to them on YouTube?
No.
You accepted them because it's unusual for anyone who is not a Mormon to do anything but laugh at this stuff.
It's fitting that it's a kook like Barker that agrees with Mormonism.
thesignsoflife7 1 year ago
The Book of Mormon is real
Prophet Joseph Smith is real
And also this continuation of the Story of Mankind is real
Therefore, let "us" open our eyes and see for "ourselves" where the storyline is heading ~
re_google: Rael receives an ultimate message for the Jewish people
aynradd 1 year ago
Smith woved elements of christianity and judiasm when creatin the BoM, and this woman he's reading from believes it? It would seem she needs a bit more education on the topic.
humanistheart 1 year ago
She's fluent in 4 languages that I am aware of, has written numerous books, NONE of which you have ever read, and has been teaching comparative religions for decades. What makes you POSSIBLY think YOU can assess her supposed ignorance? What, you think she ought to read the Tanners? chortle!
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor Right, she's an expert yet she's unaware of the copy and paste job smith does with the BoM and the KJV, one of the worst translations of the bible at the time. You say she's an expert in languages, yet she's unaware that no traces of hebrew language has ever been found in pre-colonial america. No artifacts have ever been found regaurding the BoM, many of the animals named in it such as the horse did not exist in the america's, and don't get me started o nthe BoA.
humanistheart 1 year ago
And so you have read all 8 of her books and know this? How interesting!
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor I don't have to read her books to know these facts as they are widely available.
humanistheart 1 year ago
As blatantly and obviously ignorant as you are about the Bible, not to mention the Book of Mormon, I bet you are a howler when it comes to the Book of Abraham!
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor Unlike you 'proffessor' I actually have a degree in religion. Not that it matters. You on the other hand, rather than replying with some kind of logical argument, decided to simply relly on quick tempered insults. If you had any real evidences, you would not need to do this now would you?
humanistheart 1 year ago
You have a degree in religion? Whoa! Obviously you threw that money down the drain now didn't you? It certainly didn't help you understand Margaret Barker at all did it? It certainly didn't teach you how to learn and understand much did it?
Tell you what oh knowledgable one, read Barker's materials, and SHOW me how she is wrong. I don't need a piece of paper to tell me I have brains, I read...a lot. I KNOW what Barker writes, do You? Yet you ridicule her?!
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor
Saying she needs further education on this topic is hardly ridicule, as for her assesments, I've never heard of her before your video, I only have your claims here. And I notice that I listed a long line of problems with this so called 'evidence' and thus far your only responce has been to insult me, or claim you read a lot so you must have 'brains'. Were you planning on giving an intellegent, logical, or empiracle responce at some point?
humanistheart 1 year ago
@humanistheart An undergraduate minor is not a "degree in religion", just fyi. Carry on.
Chisox636 1 year ago
@Chisox636
Oh, perhaps not. What would you call it? And tell me, how many of you have even that much?
humanistheart 1 year ago
@humanistheart I too have a minor in religious studies (majoring in Poli), and I usually just call it what it is: a minor. Just sayin', it is disingenuous to say you have a degree in religion--that implies at least a full BA, but usually means an MA or PhD. In any case, trying to whip out the fact that you have a degree in something is an appeal to authority, and as such doesn't have a place in a logical argument. (I am not Mormon, just calling you on a specious argument)
Chisox636 1 year ago
@Chisox636
Since that fact was not part of my argument, your statement does not stand.
humanistheart 1 year ago
@humanistheart It is not a fact. As I said, it is an exaggeration. And you're right, I guess it was not technically a part of your argument, but it seemed like you trying to intimidate him or something and mock his nickname, when you're just an undergraduate yourself. It rubbed me the wrong way, but then again I'm just someone on the internet so you're free to do what you want.
Chisox636 1 year ago
Wow, your so smart your dumb. There is no prof of the BOM lands and people. Did I say there is no prof of the BOM lands and people . DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB
jhcollings 1 year ago
I'm smart enough to block a guy like you who refuses to ahve a good discussion and instead simply calls names.
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor
Don't you just love people with degrees in "religion" who can't even spell ( judiasm) Judaism?
Not to mention...creatin- regaurding-proffessor- relly -intellegent- empiracle responce
Oh, the humanity!!
canadianbacon007 1 year ago
@canadianbacon007 Ah, much like the Professor here you have chosen not to attempt to defend the credibility of this videos title concerning evidence for the Book of Mormon. Instead youve differed to an irrelevant issue. While Im glad you can have something to cling to since your beliefs are so easily shattered, the avoidance tactics employed here are growing stale.
humanistheart 1 year ago
@humanistheart
I haven't "differed" to anything.
I'm just pointing out that you have your head up your ass.
Not an uncommon symptom of anti-Mormonism.
canadianbacon007 1 year ago
@canadianbacon007
Another evidence for the Book of Mormon I see. Tell me, when did insulting people become equivalent to reason, logic, and fact? Or perhaps this is exclusive to the Mormon position? No, there are some well informed mormons out there. This must be a condition native to youtube lds members.
humanistheart 1 year ago
And thus,the true Mormon heart is revealed :) :)
tezkingkong 1 year ago
@tezkingkong
Just another typical Evangelical anti-Mormon ploy.
Rattle the animal's cage, and if your hear a growl, yell "RABIES"
How does that double standard make you a "defender of the faith" Terry?
I seem to remember the Pharisees spoke out of their arses quite often too.
canadianbacon007 1 year ago
Matthew 22: 24-34
>>>Luke 20: 26-36
Galatians 1:8
tnfellow 1 year ago
Man... what the hell are you talking about?! Go and watch The Bible vs The Book Of Mormon, and come back with arguments against their claims... if you have any.
samtorrance5590 2 years ago
You let everyone else do your thinking for you? That video has been absolutely destroyed. But don't worry. Stay on your own side and in your own box and continue feeling safe from the truth.
TheBackyardProfessor 2 years ago
5:30 - we have a problem. The Hebrew text does not refer to a virgin, but to a young woman. The notion of virgin birth was not even part of original Christianity (or its texts) for the first few generations, whereupon the term "virgin" was added by scribes to invoke their misunderstanding of Isaiah's prophecy (See Ehrman, B. "Misquoting Jesus"). The BOM then absorbs the same near-modern error, and presents it as an ancient writing. Whoops!
mattokc 2 years ago
As much as I respect Margaret Barker, she is unaware that much of the book of Mormon plagiarizes the King James version of the Bible intact with KJV translation errors. The Book of Mormon sounds biblical to her, because 27,000 words are lifted directly from the KJV text. Nephi especially!
BMIMark1 2 years ago
I can assure you Margaret Barker is far more informed about these issues than you suppose.......
TheBackyardProfessor 2 years ago
The 27,000 words lifted directly still accounts for a small fraction of the overall text. Further, there are some differences that are interesting. I reference 2 Nephi 12:16, which snatches text from both Hebrew and Greek translations, while the KJV only uses the Hebrew.
ikesteroma 2 years ago
Defending a quote from a well documented plagiarized piece of literature is terrible scholarship.
The first century believers understood the words of Jesus when he said,
"I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened." -Matthew 24:34
The true "latter day saints", where those individuals of the first century who experienced the coming of Christ in judgment upon Jerusalem in 70 C.E. at His parousia.
BMIMark1 2 years ago
Errr...It isn't plagarism when you quote a source, and give reference to that source - which Nephi does.
ikesteroma 2 years ago
@ikesteroma is correct.
HotAmericanGurl 2 years ago
if the gospel of the lord god is so important "which I believe it is" why couldn't got take those words to other people. God cannot Plagiarize himself because He is the author of the Bible and The Book of Mormon.
docttrent 2 years ago
@BMIMark1 You mean QUOTED? Did you know it actually refers to Isaiah? Plagiarism means copying and taking the credit. Nephi or Book of Mormon didn't take a credit. It did mention that it's a direct quote from Isaiah.
HotAmericanGurl 2 years ago
@BMIMark1 That is true, the same errors are found in the BOM as the KJV text of the time. That alone should show the dubiousness of smiths claims.
humanistheart 1 year ago
He has seen firsthand how the welfare program changes peoples lives. Welfare Square gives people hope and a place where they can feel good about themselves and others and it opens up opportunities for people to have a better future, says Goodrich.
omiolo 2 years ago
Jim Goodrich is the manager of Welfare Square in Salt Lake City, a facility that includes a cannery, a milk-processing plant, a bishops storehouse, a thrift store, an employment center and silos where wheat and other grains are stored.
omiolo 2 years ago
I watched this hoping you had unearthed something that would be relevant to the cause of Mormonism. Something like a burial site of the millions of decendants of warriors said to have been slaughtered across the continent of America. Perhaps you had located ancient Zarahemla or found the pre-columbian horses, grain and steel that have yet to be unearthed. Instead you read from a book in a shill, high pitched, unnerving voice that rendered anything you had to say useless. Thanks....
greatdagan 2 years ago 2
great.: As usual you guys don't pay attention to sources offered that do give evidences. Instead you got to make issues over how a person speaks, & ask for evidences that if he had talked about & provided, still wouldn't be evidences in your closed mind. Horses, grain, steel, have been found: Source: Joshua Moses Bennett, The Gospel of the Great Spirit.
RESTOREDAPOLOGETICS 2 years ago
JOSEPHS MYTH......
greatdagan 2 years ago
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omiolo 2 years ago
Joseph Smith is either a true Prophet of God, or the most amazing man to ever live, besides Christ, of course.
I know he was a prophet.
brian8793 2 years ago
@brian8793 according to Joseph Smith he was better than Jesus:
"I have more to boast of than any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such work as I" (History of the Church, Vol.6, pp. 408-09).
LOL.
FredMiller100 2 years ago 2
He never said he was better than Jesus. Jesus didn't have enough time to establish the Church the way Joseph did. It wasn't time. Joseph has done more for the salvation of mankind SAVE IT JESUS CHRIST.
You forgot to mention that......
brian8793 2 years ago
OK, polytheist., How dare any man put himself on the same level as Jesus, LORD and Saviour. There is none like him, he is God in the flesh and was sinless (John10:30, Hebrews 4:15). Your false prophet was just a man whose lies have been pointed out time and time again. I mean that "temple" in Independence took a little longer than Smith said huh? (D &C 84:2-5,31) And Jesus is about 109 years late in His second coming according to Smith isn't he? (History of the Church, vol. 2, p. 189)
FredMiller100 2 years ago
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zatokk 2 years ago
Thanks for making this presentation. The glory of God is intelligence and truth. So the intelligence presented when combined with truth (heart felt) and prayer brings the glory or revelation of God.
seerzion 2 years ago
Dr. Hugh Nibley commenting on our research (Nov 7, 2003), "...After this, those who challenge the Book of Mormon will have some heavy explaining to do."
JefflindsayDOTcom
FAIRLDSdotORG
All evidence thru hard work have really paid off and the NON LDS scholarship keep giving up ground and conforming to what LDS scholarship has said all along.
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
What I would like to know is where are those vast cities described in the BOM. Nowhere. BOM is part knowledge at the time, part myth, part JS's imagination. The same for the Bible, but not JS's imagination, but other people's.
zeldaofarel 2 years ago
Oh gee, you think you are cute, but in fact your silly atheist ways are about to come to a halt.
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
Interesting, but to gain a testimony of the Book of Mormon all you need to do is read, think, pray, study, and ask God if it is true.
kenatlaw 2 years ago 3
Yeah, I did what you said and did my reading and thinking first. In fact, I read as much material as I could find--the BOM and its ancillary titles, followed by apologist works and critics. Then I did some thinking. My thinking tells me that the LDS faith is so laughably false it doesn't even compare with Islam, and that is saying something.
seethebright 2 years ago
This is awesome. People, this IS the TRUE Church. Do not get offended by this claim because it's for you, me, and the world. God Bless.
chickenbaby12 2 years ago
Bellissima!
mormonmilitia 2 years ago
I have a look at what theinquiziter says all i can say is come back theinquiziter as they had a very good point and you talk pish YA TALK PISH
STEAMLOCO71 2 years ago
Dr. Hugh Nibley commenting on our research (Nov 7, 2003), "...After this, those who challenge the Book of Mormon will have some heavy explaining to do."
jefflindsay . com
fairlds . org
All the new evidence pointing to geography and physical evidence found since 2003 makes the Smithsonian Institutes Statement of 1996 about obsolete.
LDSTrueChurch 2 years ago 3
If I want data on history or geogrpahy or anthropology I choose the Smithsonian & Natl Geographic over the Professor (sorry). Both institutions have stated that no artifact verifying any event, person or place in the BOM has been found and passed scientific examination.
Worse,BOM evidence is missing - bones, "cement" foundations, "steel" swords & chariots, Egyptian writings (lol), synagogues, roads, etc. So who's right - the LDS or every other scientific field? Uh, let's see....
smb12321 2 years ago
That is an incorrect statement.
They have found bones, and cement roads, hundreds of thousands of miles of it.
Joseph Smith didn't make it up. It's true and the word of God. You're on the wrong side.
LDSTrueChurch 2 years ago
They found a lengthy log aqueduct system in the American northwest.
Legatus1TTA1 2 years ago 2
Who did? When? How was it measured? What is the evidence? Oh never mind. You are all insane!
seethebright 2 years ago
were did we find cement roads i never heard about that
crowofdeath2 2 years ago
Where did "we" find cement roads? Who is we?
seethebright 2 years ago
"we" as in humans all the mormons are talking about things i have never come across not even 1 time
crowofdeath2 2 years ago
cement roads exist down in central america that do fit the book of Mormon description.
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
Who is "they"? I would like to contact "them." I'd really like to know what the DNA tests on the bones revealed.
seethebright 2 years ago
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Legatus1TTA1 2 years ago
False-False-False
Living a lie Mr. Professor.
Too bad the BOM, D&C and Pearl of Price is all good fantasy put together by a con man. It jives with nothing. No artifacts anywhere and NO DNA............
sfaster 2 years ago
You spout off in ignorance. I have over 70 videos on my Book of Mormon commentary that refute your nonsense here.
TheBackyardProfessor 2 years ago
Any story can be twisted to fit any literature or available documents then presented to open ear, weak minded individuals. Just another sales strategy.
I suggest you stay in your own private Idaho. Too bad, no planet for you........
sfaster 2 years ago
Yes, you prove this all with your own twisting and dodging of the solid issues we have for the BofM.......
TheBackyardProfessor 2 years ago
By that comment you totally proved what
I expressed. Mormons always snap back
with some silly nonsense trying to defend thier beliefs. You appear to be intellegent Mr. Professor but your mind is closed to reality. Face it , Mormonism is fantasy for weak minds who are soul searching........
sfaster 2 years ago
And by your comment to my comment you prove you're about as well read as a flea. See? Ain't this fun, posting all sorts of nonsense and insensibilities and nothing worthy of content? I can do it almost as good as you do. I must confess though, it is most impressive how worthless your information content is.
TheBackyardProfessor 2 years ago
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sfaster 2 years ago
That's because you *can't* debate me in content, so you choose hot, meaningless air. I am not self-ordained you dork. It's a name my wife first called me, and my friends loved it so it stuck. If you bothered to learn instead of pretending you know anything, you'd save yourself from embarrassment. No content discussion? Then why are you posting? For snide comments? I'll delete your waste of my time comments if they remain without content. Put up or shut up already.
TheBackyardProfessor 2 years ago
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Dr. Hugh Nibley commenting on our research (Nov 7, 2003), "...After this, those who challenge the Book of Mormon will have some heavy explaining to do."
jefflindsay . com
fairlds . org
All the new evidence pointing to geography and physical evidence found since 2003 makes the Smithsonian Institutes Statement of 1996 about obsolete.
LDSTrueChurch 2 years ago 2
How would intelligence enhance a man's intimacy with reality, intelligent man?
Legatus1TTA1 2 years ago
The LDS have come to the Christians way of Life after Joesph Smith & Brigham Young,
not the other way around.
Christians in the the US have always had these Morels, Most LDS have adopted them over time, not the other way around.
godstruthislove 2 years ago
Christians in the US around the Mid 1800"s didn't want a Man like Joesph in their Town, teaching their Children, " it's ok to have 25 wives",
If fact God requires it!,
Just as Mormons wouldn't want a man in their Town teaching the same in 2009.
godstruthislove 2 years ago
.........and then Some Man named Joesph shows up with 30 wives in tow, telling You to put down your Bible & Beliefs, and walk away from your Church & Read the BOM, Marry as Woman as you like, and follow him from Now on, because God & Jesus spoke to him and told him the was the Last prophet., and it was the end times.
godstruthislove 2 years ago
Think about it TheBackyardProfessor ,
1840 a Christian family is living a good life, raising kids, trying to teach them about God, and trying to instill in them Good morels, teaching them to do the right thing in God's name, going to Church on Sundays, having Bible study on every Wednesday, ..........
godstruthislove 2 years ago
I think tha