if adam and eve has any credit, god made them less than animals if the two needed to eat a fruit in order to become smart. ironically, it was the ‘devious’ satan who helped them obtain knowledge and gave them a sense of identity rather than being witless sheep the god could use to smack around (and god threw the nicest little tantrum when he found out they were intelligent and willful
AZ, GOD is the alpha and the omega. The Creator of heaven,earth,waters and ALL that dwell in them. You get the picture,HE'S big. He created you. A&E were given command not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Satan in his pride,knew that A owned the earth which GOD gave him dominion over. Satan full of greed wanted to control what God gave to man. Satan was and is a power hungry wicked apostate. A&E choose to disobey. GOD in his mercy gave us JC to save us from eternal damnation.
The Great thing about OUR God is he gives us free will, in that you can accept him or reject himt! It is great to have a relationship with Jesus and Not just a lip service/religion or so on... I can't force you to believe anything just as you cant force me. Standing assured having this seal The Lord knows them that are his! I have found that MOST ppl who doubt Jesus as is Lord is because they are against righteous living in some aspect to their own beliefs in sin, thats why we MUST be born again
Jesus is real, I cant make you believe it but, the truth is you believe he is real as well . you are questioning Christians, not because you dont want us to be fooled but because you want more reasons to doubt him. by quizzing some ppl who know very little about the bible. to find out more about the bible check out my channel Thnks
Ay guess what mayne you still gonna go to hell so how bout have faith in tha bible instead of thinkin your dumbass is right and bein hard headed on truth
If the church makes you scared to even breathe wrong they can control you! Control has nothing to do with God! I think Original sin is a Catholic thing too. That's why they tell you unbaptized babies go to hell & they made up Purgatory. I'm a Protestant. I believe God loves us, Jesus told us that God loves us. Jesus Died for the sins of the World, that's everyone. I also believe in reincarnation. Jesus declared that John the Baptist was Elijah who had returned, stating bluntly "Elijah has come".
everyone gets a chance to go to heavan everyone..romans 123 tells us..Gods plan went into action once Adam fell gen3:15..God doesn't have much to do with the problem he just gives the solution..old testiment times there would be great consequences for actions of sinners new testiment wrath was put on Christ..we can either choose to fellow the first Adam or the second Adam..simple
Whats the point of your videos? You come up with these metaphors that don't coincide with the teachings of the bible. You make claims and statements that are supposedly the teachings of God, but they are not. You twist and make your own interpretations of the bible, and then come up with a "tough question for Christians". You obviously don't have a legitimate desire to understand the Bible with your "tough questions", since you insult and obviously are ignorant. So whats ur point of these vids?
@Breakdown916 1. because finding holes in religious crazy talk is the same as twisting it around to make it sound bad?
2. nothing he has said in this video or any others is any different than anything you will hear another christian say. he is just talking about it without a bias for one side or the other.
3. how do you insult the bible by talking about what it says, and how are is someone ignorant if they are knowledgeable in the topic they are talking about. this guy was a christian you know.
Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven
The spirit of antichrist will take over the world. This video is a prime example. Sounds like what you are speaking of is the teachings of Islam. Which is totally antichrist.
CONSIDER the options: THINK: GOD, OMNIPOTENT GOD, KNEW you before he formed you in the womb, provided a way for you to be reconciled to Him by sending his SON, Jesus to die for you. If that is not love, nothing is.
It is not about reason/intellect. it is about turning belly up & accepting, submitting to
a higher power, the highest power saying I am sorry GOD. . THEN he will provide what answers you want. Most of these "tough questions" will be resolved all at once,.
continued: Strictly from a Christian standpoint, there is no ADAM VS jesus.
Jesus stood as a lamb slain before the foundation of the world because the all wise GOD who did not want robots, knew he would fall, so he said he would send Jesus to provide a way back. It is , GOD'S PLAN. Because we are not GOD, his ways are far higher than ours, we cannot understand this. WE EITHER accept it or reject it. Consider the options? WHAT is there to lose?: Is there a better offer for eternity:?
30 . THE BIBLE is a book of faith. It is about an all wise, all knowin God who created the universe and all in it. Everything in the BIBLE is about His plan for fallen man and his plan for redemption. Christianity is not mandatory. It is opitional. He calls, we answer or we do not. WHEN we come to him, it is with a wiling heart, believing in his omnipotence. WE believe that he is, and he is a rewarder of those who diligently seek him. He supplies the grace for the rest of it.
They are not greater than God's actions; they are the same. Here's why.
"You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink"
Adam's sin closes the door into heaven. No one can enter, regardless of what you believe or not.
Jesus's sacrifice opens the door again. A relatively similar action, right? But that doesn't mean that everyone is automatically saved. Jesus can show you the way and lead you to the door, but only you can decide to walk through it.
@marcusabsent37 "Adam's sin closes the door into heaven. No one can enter, regardless of what you believe or not."
Lol, biblically speaking heaven didn't exist in adams time. And think about that, because adam did something this god didn't like, despite the fact you'd think an all knowing being would have seen that coming, the door to heaven was closed on all human beings? Hardly an ethical suggestion.
@humanistheart Well, considering that heaven is being with God, it certainly did exist in Adam's time. I'm not sure what you're referencing.
Of course God saw Adam's sin coming, that was why the tree was there to begin with. The point is that Adam and Eve willingly disobeyed God and forfeited the gifts He gave them, for themselves and their children (us).
@marcusabsent37 "Well, considering that heaven is being with God, it certainly did exist in Adam's time"
By all means provide the passages that lead you to that conclusion. I'm referencing the fact that heaven is not in the hebrew bible at all, and that the jewish people do not, nor ever had, a concept of heaven or hell, or satan being a devil.
"Of course God saw Adam's sin coming, that was why the tree was there to begin with." So he deliberately put it their for them to sin so he could
@marcusabsent37 hurt them and their ancestors? What kind of warped being would do such a thing? Oh right, the abrahamic god.
So by your standard, if your dad goes out and kills someone we should give him AND you, and any children you may have a penalty? Not much one for justice are you?
@humanistheart Think of Heaven as a state of being; being in the presence of God. By that definition, Heaven existed as long as God existed (which was eternally) and there existed something to be in His presence (which Adam would have qualified).
Technically, the tree was the easiest possible test for them. They could eat from thousands of trees in the garden, so why should they have needed to eat from that tree at all? ...
@humanistheart Hans Christian Anderson subtly suggests in his fable, "The Garden of Paradise," that Adam and Eve would have somehow disobeyed God no matter what He told them to do or not do.
Adam is not just the father of all mankind, he and Eve are the sole representitives of mankind during that time. So they, representing mankind, ultimately rejected God's gifts, and it is up to us to accept them and gain God's trust back.
@marcusabsent37 Look, you can call them 'representatives' or what ever the hell else you like, the fact remains, in the fictional stories you know call the bibles, god punishes children from their parents 'sins'. Not even anything wrong, just sins. That, again, is like if your dad commits a crime and we also kill you and your children for it. It's just wrong.
@humanistheart Atheists are very quick to point out that God punishes mankind for sin, but He also provides them with a solution: Jesus. Jesus is the means by which we don't have to pay the price for that sin (hell), and we can be happy with God in Heaven despite what Adam did.
@marinefrenzy No one really knows what happens to people who don't know about Jesus at all. Personally, I believe God does cut them a little slack, because otherwise it would be punishment for something that is not really their fault.
@marcusabsent37 "but He also provides them with a solution: Jesus." Oh not just atheists, Buddhists and hindu's and Taoists and most other religions point out the insanity that is the christian religion. Think about it. This god creates people, knowing full well they'll do thing he doesn't like. And he's such an unbearable horses ass that he cant stand to be around people who do things he doesn't like (sin) which are not in any way the same as doing something wrong, but thousands of years
@marcusabsent37 after he's 'created' this world he comes down in an incarnate human form specifically to get HIMSELF killed to appease HIMSELF and somehow the process of spilling earthly blood appeases him enough to let people who've done things he doesn't like near him, but only if they believe he did come in an incarnate human form. That's pretty damn insane.
If God created people, and He wanted them to love Him, obviously He had to give them the choice not to love Him, and not obey Him That's what sin is; an action contrary to God's wishes. Even an idiot can see that many actions one considers evil often overlap with what the Christian faith calls a sin. If you are a Christian, then God is the source of morality, so EVERYTHING that is a sin is something wrong, and vice-versa.
@marcusabsent37 "an action contrary to God's wishes." "If you are a Christian, then God is the source of morality, "
See, the problem there is that do what I say or suffer is not morality, it's tyranny. So no, sin has nothing to do with right or wrong. Not one tiny bit.
@humanistheart So, what then determines right and wrong? You? What morality can you appeal to, other than your own? Or that of another human being?
If you are an atheist, you probably believe in subjective morality, in which case the MOST you can say is "IMO, God is immoral." That's all; trying to say God IS immoral means you have another standard of morality independant of man or God. And that is...
@marcusabsent37 "What morality can you appeal to, other than your own? Or that of another human being?" Reason, logic, and fact, and harm. For example, your god approves of slavery. But slavery debases any being, is emotionally destructive, takes away choice and so on. You say your imaginary god is the source of morality but this god allows slavery, and rape, and child abuse and genocide and infanticide. You, based on that, must then conclude that killing people is not wrong, that rape is not
@marcusabsent37 wrong, that killing children for talking back or hitting a parent is not wrong. Only a twisted being can think slavery and rape and genocide is 'perfect'.
1) No, in fact they are not. For example the flood, a punishment for 'wickedness', yet how can an infant or the unborn child commit any crimes? Also you'll not that people are punished for things that aren't bad, such as being homosexual.
2) If he's omnipresent he's going to be EVERYWHERE as per the definition. If he
@marcusabsent37 can be present with sin on earth, and in hell as he'd have be there to to be omnipresent, than he could handle it in heaven as well. And again, think about the immaturity of that. If you do anything I don't like I can't be around you. Again, if that was a human we'd call them unbearably immature, but you think you're god works that way and it's 'good'. WOW.
@humanistheart If God didn't allow people to sin, they couldn't really love Him, because they wouldn't have a choice. He may make a strong incentive (threats of hell, promise of eternal life), but ultimately, it is still up to us as individuals to choose to love and serve Him.
@marcusabsent37 "If God didn't allow people to sin, they couldn't really love Him, because they wouldn't have a choice. "
First of all, people can't have free will in your religion. Not even your god. Second of all, putting people into eternal hellfire for not 'loving' a they have no direct contact with (or any since he's not real) is not 'loving', it's psychotic.
@humanistheart People can and do have free will; they have the ability to choose whether to follow Christianity. But just because people have the ability to choose does not make other views equally valid in terms of truth.
You say it is not loving for God to send people to hell for not loving Him. Well, how about this...if they don't love God, would they any happier in heaven, where He is eternally present?
@marcusabsent37 "You say it is not loving for God to send people to hell for not loving Him. Well, how about this...if they don't love God, would they any happier in heaven, where He is eternally present?" If he was as ever present as christians say he'd be eternally present ih hell as well. But here's a thought. If he was all powerful maybe, just maybe he can come up with something between 'paradise' and 'hell'. You would have me believe that an all knowing being can only think of TWO things?
@marcusabsent37 yes people have free will. It's another thing that disproved you're god, as if he was all knowing and created the world, including everything in it including everything in your body and genetics and you're environment than the future is already set, because he knew how it would go before it happened, thus predetermined thus no choice.
@humanistheart Jesus's sacrifice is NOT to appease Himself, it is to display His love and selflessness. Obviously, if Jesus (or God the Father) had chosen to just open Heaven with a snap of their fingers, they could have. But that isn't love, its just convenience. Instead, Jesus suffered and payed the price of our sins, showing us that we COULD be forgiven, that He would NOT abandon us.
@marcusabsent37 "Jesus's sacrifice is NOT to appease Himself, it is to display His love and selflessness. " Yes, it was.
"they could have. But that isn't love, its just convenience. Instead, Jesus suffered and payed the price of our sins, showing us that we COULD be forgiven, that He would NOT abandon us."
No one thought they'd be abandoned, that's not how the hebrew afterlife worked. And they had no heaven and hell. Christians invented that. So that makes your claim false.
@humanistheart But God didn't just come for hebrews, He came for everyone. Why should the hebrews' specific beliefs about the afterlife make any difference in mankind being reaccepted by God?
@marcusabsent37 "Why should the hebrews' specific beliefs about the afterlife make any difference in mankind being reaccepted by God?" Oh gee I don't knwo, maybe because that's where this god is from? You think jesus is god, and for some reason the messiah. And what religion is the messiah from? Hmmm... oh right, the HERBEW BIBLE.
@humanistheart Jesus is the fulfillment of Jewish scripture, it is true. But the implications of the Fall of Man affect all people, not just Jews. So Jesus is the Messiah for all people, and not just Jews.
Jesus humbled Himself by becoming a Man. He sacrificed Himself to His Father to save Man. By this sacrifice, we are now free to embrace the happiness God offers us. Can anybody explain why some people are just so mad at Him (Jesus)?
@marcusabsent37 "So Jesus is the Messiah for all people, and not just Jews."
Perhaps in your beliefs he is, BUT the point is that the messiah is a concept coming from Hebrew beliefs, thus the hebrew scriptures must be considered. And in the hebrew beliefs jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophecies, or the 'law' as some chrsitians say, and neither heaven nor hell are in their scriptures. Isn't it strange that the chosen people were never informed of this heaven or hell?
@humanistheart LOL, they were informed. What do you think Jesus did?
Heaven and Hell are not mentioned in hebrew scripture because they do not have all the pieces to the puzzle. Jesus was the one who filled in the gaps that Judaism did not explain. Judaism paves the way for Christianity, who are God's now chosen people.
@marcusabsent37 "He sacrificed Himself to His Father to save Man. " Yes but you believe jesus IS god, or part of god, so he's sacrificing himself to himself to get over his own issues? Seems like his problem, why should be ours?
@humanistheart Yes, but Jesus is also a man, and as a man, He can stand in our place on the altar and give Himself up to the FATHER (a distinct person from God the SON). This way, we can be free of sin.
@marcusabsent37 "Himself up to the FATHER (a distinct person from God the SON)." Jesus was either god, or not. So make up you're mind. And think about that. Besides, think about that. This god is 'good' but needs blood to get over his own hang ups. That's pretty fucked up.
@humanistheart Jesus is God the Son. However, God the Father and God the Son are two distinct figures in the Trinity, yet they are both still God.
He doesn't need blood. Listen...
Man sinned. Man cut himself off from God. It is MAN'S obligation to fix this problem. But Man, being imperfect and finite, is incapable of this. Only GOD can fix it; yet it is not God's obligation to do so. Man has the duty; God has the power.
@marcusabsent37 "Jesus is God the Son. However, God the Father and God the Son are two distinct figures in the Trinity, yet they are both still God."
Than yeah, if they are both god, than god sacrificed himself, to himself to appease himself. That's extremely convoluted.
"Man sinned. Man cut himself off from God." First of all, this god of the bible still talked and interfered in humans lives constantly, that's hardly cut off, and second of all that would be god cutting them off not the
@marcusabsent37 other way round as you would have it. As for 'fixing' this, this god can't get over the fact people do things he doesn't like, even though if all powerful he knew they would. Who's problem is that? If a human got all pissy every time anyone did even 1 thing they didn't like, so much so that they couldn't be around that person ever again for just 1 thing, we'd call that a problem. So clearly this would be your gods problem, not humans so it's his obligation to fix.
@marcusabsent37 "So Jesus, being both God and Man, was the solution."
Again, it would be god's obligation to fix it. Thus you think he needed to kill himself to appease himself. Also I'll point out that being in a human body would not change things. If jesus was god than it's still god 'fixing' things now isn't it. But what would be easier that convoluted belief or just getting over his own issues?
Clearly, you don't understand the concept of the Trinity.
When we say cut off from God, we mean heaven. God can talk and interact with people on earth, but it's not the same as being in His Presence. With original sin, Man could not be in the Presence of God in heaven.
Even if God threw man out of paradise, it is still because of what man did. So, ultimately, it is man's fault that they are cut off from God.
@marcusabsent37 "With original sin, Man could not be in the Presence of God in heaven"
There are so many many problems with that claim. First of all, it means that it's okay to blame offspring and others for your own 'sins', which should show you again that sin is not the same as wrong, as no civilized country in the world would punish children for their parents crimes. 2nd, you must think your god is not all present then, as it implies that he only is in heaven,
@marcusabsent37 3rd, interacting with people is being present, thus 'in his presence' so if he can be in the presence of 'sinners' here he could just as easily do it there 4th there's the obvious question as to WHY you think people couldn't be in his presence after sinning without having a blood sacrifice and 5th, even if he couldn't have people in his presence because he's just that big of an ass, why not give them their own heavens, or some other alternative to eternal torture? I mean come on
1. The children are only punished if they commit the same crimes as their parents. Just think about that.
2. He is omnipresent. Let's just say that, when you die, you will see that there is a big difference between God's presence on earth and His Glorified Presence in Heaven.
3. Even if God weren't omnipresent, you can interact with people without being present (like a telephone). Why shouldn't God be able to?
4. If Heaven is perfect, God won't allow evil into heaven. And Jesus has already taken care of the sacrifice; all you have to do is accept God, and repent of your sins.
5. Well, it's either in His Presence (Heaven) or not (Hell). Which would you prefer?
@marcusabsent37 "4. If Heaven is perfect, God won't allow evil into heaven" That would depend on your definition of perfect. After all, evil has nothing to do with right and wrong, and if you think god is 'perfect' you must think genocide, infanticide, rape, child abuse, and slavery are 'perfect' too, so how can anyone be worse than that? Since those things are 'perfect' hitler would be perfect and in heaven.
And what kind of being needs a blood sacrifice to get over the idea that people do
@marcusabsent37 things he doesn't like? A psychopath, that's what kind of being.
5) Once again, what kind of all knowing being is so stupid they can only come up with 2 choices, love me or suffer? You really think an all knowing being can't think up other alternatives? I mean come on, that's really really stupid.
@humanistheart You've got the picture of God all wrong. God wants people to be happy with Him in heaven. But if people sin and curse and hate God, they would be miserable in heaven, because the God they hate is there. So God sends Jesus to open the gates of heaven, and to tell people not to sin. That way, they can be happy in heaven
@marcusabsent37 "It is our problem because sin is our fault." Two problems with that bs. First of all, since this god's the one that doesn't care for sin, it's his problem, not ours. Second since sin is just this gods opinion, not based on anything of substance, why the hell should we care about it even if it existed?
@humanistheart However, sin still affects us, so it is our problem and our obligation not to sin. Also, God's will is law, so His "opinion" (as you say) does have substance.
@humanistheart It's clear from your example that you have no idea what I just said.
On the word of kings, their rules were not always right because they were not the source of the law; even they would say that they were just acting in God's name. Since God is the source of law, He cannot be wrong. If He is to be considered wrong, there must be another absolute source of morality. What is that?
@marcusabsent37 "On the word of kings, their rules were not always right because they were not the source of the law;" Their word was law, and yes, the source of the law. They of course weren't right, which is the same point of your god. And no, there were kings long before your religion or the hebrew religion existed.
No, there must not be a absolute source of morality, and even if there were it wouldn't be your god, that's tyranny not morality.
@humanistheart Of course there has to be another source of absolute morality for you to say that God is wrong, because otherwise its just your opinion. So what is it?
@marcusabsent37 I see rather than actually address the numerous posts made, you return to you're belief that you need a 'absolute morality source' despite this merely being your belief, despite me already answering this, and despite you're inability to give a reason why your god, if he existed would be it. I take it you've given up.
If God existed and He (by definition) created everything, then obviously He created morals. Right?
The point is that when you say that God is immoral, you are stating it as a fact, not as merely your opinion. If God's (or anyone's) immorality can be a fact, there has to be an absolute definition of what right and wrong are; otherwise, its just a matter of opinion. You don't seem to think its your opinion, so what absolute morals are you appealing to?
@marcusabsent37 "If God's (or anyone's) immorality can be a fact, there has to be an absolute definition of what right and wrong otherwise, its just a matter of opinion. "
But by that same standard then you saying morality is just whatever this god says it is, also means it's just your god's opinion.
@marcusabsent37 "If God existed and He (by definition) created everything, then obviously He created morals. Right?" But if he created EVERYTHING than two questions, for him to create EVERYTHING he'd have to have created himself, and evil. The first one is just puzzling and the second one indicates then you'd have to admit he's evil.
@marcusabsent37 So since you're god cannot be an absolute on morality, even if he existed, only his opinion as there's no reason even if he existed to call him a moral absolute, what are you basing your morals on?
And again, because I said so is not morality, it's tyrant.
@humanistheart Obviously, you are entitled to your POV. But I'm trying to explain my beliefs to you, without insulting what your views are, and you are just being disrespectful. I'm all for civilized debating, but if all you are going to do is be an asshole, there really isn't any point to keep talking, is there?
Firstly the Story about the Creation is must to know, it helps us to understand that the Physical self of Jesus did exist before Adam was created, making Jesus the first Adam.
Secondly all Denominations must realize that Jesus is God, only then would all the pieces all in to the puzzle.
Isn't fruit a parallel? What we got from that event is smarter, about science anyway. To control medical properties and manipulate science or DNA , which are proven to be controlled by a harmonic balance AKA String theory or the One law. Once we started messing with this balance, the balance of the world biology was off, which we were born into. Wonder what would have happened if we ate from the tree of life? Christ tryed to show us how to overcome this.
The actions of an infinate God reversed the curse of sin and death brought on us after the initial rebellion ie one mans sin passed sin to all mankind and by the act of one man and relating again to God through BELIEF we are able to return to a high spiritual state and regain what was taken from us. Jesus was with God in the begining- He is the only begotten -meaning the only Son apart from angelic! He lived a perfect life because we can't.. Blasphemy is another sin worthy of death. Take heed.
Many Christians dont believe God & Jesus are the same person. And to answer your question, its quality over quantity.In order to measure the "power", we need a unit of measurement. Lets use money. Lets say you pick 20 apples and plan sell them for $1 each, and I pick 3 apples and plan to sell them for $3 each. After you pick your apples you discover that 15 of your apples have rotton spots,but none of mine do, actually mine look perfect. who would make more money?
Romans 5:15But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. 16And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. 17For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and the gift of......
"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his
creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own --
a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty.
Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism." [Einstein]
All religions are maintained through fear. The fear of god, the fear of punishment, the fear of being attacked by those murderers who believe in such damnable lies...lies of god...that the god of the bible is a mass murderer, which he is, that he is a serial killer of innocents, which it says he is...gee no wonder Americans embrace mass murder and serial killing...ie Iraq, Japan, Afghanistan, American Indians, Central Americans, Vietnamese....I can go on...
O mankind! worship your Lord, Who hath created you and those before you, so that ye may ward off (evil). (21) Who hath appointed the earth a resting-place for you, and the sky a canopy; and causeth water to pour down from the sky, thereby producing fruits as food for you. And do not set up rivals to Allah when ye know (better). (22) of surah 2 Quran
@iReadthequran God does not say that at all. The book says it. And on the next page of the quran someone married a teapot that talks and another women barks like a dog through her burka when she gets excited, WHO FUCKING CARES!! This is for christians anyway. Piss off.
hey you do know that there is two different bible one the old and new right? read both but don't put them together as one, that would make no sense, read one and think the meaning and compare with the other one. It will make hudge difference
How can you not put them together? The stories refer to each other and... try... to maintain a consistency. It's an ongoing story, a documentation of the acts of God/Jesus.
You could not be a functioning Christian (or human for that matter) to not read the beginning of a story and not mesh and compare thoughts, ideas, plots, feelings, and calculated prophesies? You are begging for someone to think irrationally in order to see your way more clearly. This is persuasive... how?
1) Because this question focuses on only two Christian beliefs. That Adam's action will condemn all of humanity to Hell - and that Jesus' action will free them from the condemnation.
2) Because not understanding something infinite will supposedly get you tortured for eternity.
1) But those two beliefs are much more complex than you present them to be a whole lot of theology and Scripture is not being looked at
2) just to keep clear what i meant was your trrying to finitely rationalize the infinite actions of God.
i am in the boat if your going to question something you need to remove all presuppositions from yourself. Objectivity. both sides must receive equal consideration.
I think the fruit story is collected from greec mytology, where human race choose to obtain knowledge and developing in its own way. Of cource this aquires an own lower human nature witch involves things like judging , hate , love , sences that you probably will not find in higher dimentions.
Legs are a great analogy because you COULD live your whole life without using them - but no one ever will (medical reasons excluded)... likewise you are born with a sinful nature, while you COULD live your whole life without using it - no one ever will.
Yeah that's true. We all sin just like we all use are legs, however I could be wrong but to the best of my knowledge walking never killed or upset anyone. I see what your saying but good and bad still plays a role in my book.
@azsuperman01 the fruit is a symbology it describes a temptation to a sin that was made fair-seeming.
god did not impregnate the 'virgin' mary. she was a virgin. jesus was born as son to joseph and mary. and in the same capacity as jesus was a son to joseph, jesus was a son to god.
bare in mind, nothing comes into creation except by the will of god. everyone is created by god, including adam and eve.
Funny how you refuted your own question here. You admitted that man would not have the power to "create" anything, yet, your question ask how Adam was powerful enough to do what he did. LOL
Now, the answer. God DECREED that all who are in Adam would bear his likeness, the sinful nature, which, is all humanity. God likewise decreed that all who are in Christ would benefit from Christ likeness, namely, the elect.
I think you miss the point...god DECREED that the actions of a finite being (adam) would bear more weight than the actions of himself.
God ultimately decided that human sin is a more powerful influence on the balance of his own creation than the 'ultimate' remedy thought up and carried out by god himself!!
Adam trumps Jesus by having more in his likeness than he does, thus the influence of the almighty is made to look foolish before the power and influence of his own creation.
So... the actions of Adam (a finite human) are more powerful and far-reaching than the actions of Jesus (an infinite god)... because... that's the way God wanted it?
Is that really your answer? God decreed that everyone be born condemned to an eternity in Hell and that a few be giving a chance to avoid it?
You got it all wrong. God didn't give people a "chance" at salvation, He saved all those He wanted to save. And yes, this is good since God is the standard of good. Remember, "good" does not exist in your world.
Why did God bother created all those he didn't want to save? Did he create them simply to torture them in Hell later?
If God is the standard of Good, then it is your worldview which can not define "good" in any meaningful way -- if genocide and torture can be considered "good" right along with charity and kindness, depending on God's mood, the word becomes meaningless.
You miss the point completely. You continue to put God and man on the same level. It is wrong for humans to torture other humans because we are just as worthless and sinful as the numbnuts standing next to us.
Kinda like Tiger Woods lecturing people about being faithful to your spouse. He is in no position to condemn anyone given his track record. However, someone who has truly been faithful has quite a bit more authority to speak on the subject.
Actually, you missed my point completely. Torture and genocide can be considered "good" under your worldview, because "good" is determined by the whim of God. The Bible is full of stories about God commanding the slaughter of non-believers... you only consider killing "wrong" right now because you don't think God has told you to kill anyone.
You also ignored my other question: Why did God bother creating people he didn't want to save, just to torture them later?
I have already answered your question. YES! God created them for the purpose of destroying them so that the elect might better understand the riches of His grace. I already provided Romans 9 in support of this.
Who said Adam was infinite when he ate of the tree? Later on God shortened our years to 120 max. which compounded to the Wages of sin is death. He ate of the tree as an infinite being and from this action took us to our grave. Repent Shawn for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!
God created us with free will. Every person born has acted upon that free will to sin. (We don't need Adam and Eve's sin to make us sinners) Each one of us chooses to go our own way at one time or another. In God's love, He found a brilliant way that would meet the requirements of a death penalty for sin, without punishing each of us. But remember, we still have free will, so God will not "force" us to receive Jesus as our Savior. We are free to accept our reject Jesus, its our choice.
I think the original sin doctrine is junk. When the Jewish Apostle Paul preached on "sin and death" he meant Gen 2:17. Adam sinned and he died THE SAME DAY unless God lied of course. When Jesus says Matt 8:22 ".. leave the dead to bury their dead.." He is referring to the same thing.
There people are not zombies but they are descendants of Adam.
The idea of original sin is pretty crystal clear in the Bible. (Romans 5:12, I Corinthians 15:22, Psalm 51:5, Psalm 58:3) But, like I stated earlier, this is no excuse for us to blame Adam and Eve when we sin. Each of us is responsible for our own sins. But, because of God's great mercy He sent Jesus to die for us, and rise again so that we wouldn't have to pay the penalty for sin ourselves. Therefore, accepting or rejecting Jesus is the most important decision we will ever make.
Jesus didn't have Romans 5 as a reference for 'Original sin' doctrine, neither did Paul so when Jesus said (Jn 10:10) 'I have come to give you life...." he meant it.
Jn 6:63 "It is the Spirit that gives life, the flesh is useless"
Yes, I agree that Jesus meant it when He said "I came to give you life" It was (and is) still required for people to believe that Jesus paid for our sins on the cross and rose again, and to have faith that nothing but Jesus can save you. Every one of us has sinned (whether you believe in original sin or not) What's the difference? Is it going to change how guilty we are? By the way, Jesus doesn't need to read the Bible to know scripture. Jesus is God.
So we have 2 different religions here. The one that the church (and the pharisees) preach and then the doctrines of Jesus himself. If we are unsaved we are under judgment(law of sin and death) but if we are saved then in
Rom 8:1-2 there is no condemnation "because the law of the spirit of life (Christ Jesus) has set me free from the law of sin and death."
Jn 6:63 It is the Spirit that gives life, the flesh is useless.
In Ps 51:6 we see king David was saved. "Take not your spirit from me"
at least christianity doesnt hurt anybody!! go tell the muslims they're wrong! christianity is about love, at least it makes the world a better place . have you tought about it that way ? islam however says something like: if he doesnt want to join you, kill him! . WTF ! go tell them to stop their bullshit ! they bang 11year old girls and its legal according to their book! if you want to make people open minded, you are starting with the wrong people my friend!
Well I can say this is another foolishness of yours. You said in this video and I quote, Jesus came to solve that problem (of humanity) apparently. God decided if He impregnate the woman with Himself and she gave birth to Him then He could have Himself sacrificed to Himself and then He could use that sacrifice of Himself to make Himself forgive you because He punished Himself instead Wow! Is this how you understood it? Where did you get that idea?
Who teach you that stuff? Where can I find that in the Bible? Dont make us a fool like you. THIS IS NOT THE MESSAGE OF THE BIBLE, poor boy, this is your own gospel. Your theology is totally off. This shows that you dont understand the Bible so please STOP quoting the Bible because you dont know it. Romans 1:22 exactly fits you and I quote, Professing to be wise, they became fools. Ooops, sorry, but you must know the truth and truth will set you free.
its not. Jesus died for the sins of the world. but only if you believe in him as the son of God and that he was crucified and rose from the dead. he conquered everything adam did. and if you dont believe, then you have decided to reject the forgiveness for yourself.
abdedgth - LOL! I never said no punishment for anything... in fact, if you watch my other videos I explain the purpose of prisons... but I also show why Hell doesn't perform ANY of the functions of a prison.
hmm since you was being quiet respectful in this vid i respect that....so ill be respectful in saying that the knowledge you have of the bible is very little.... the tough questions you claim are tough are rather easy for christians to explain....umm not sure what christians.... but hey man nice attempt ^_^
Adam's action is all encompassing only because he passed his fallen nature to mankind. BUT a fallen nature is not what sends us to hell. It is our sins. The Bible is clear on this. Ezekiel 18:20 says the soul that sins shall die. The choice to sin or not is ours. Anyone who lives his life without ever sinning does not need a saviour. Jesus said He came to call on sinners, not on the righteous.
Jesus' death on the cross is all encompassing. It is a ONCE-FOR-ALL sacrifice for ALL sins & for ALL MEN. Anyone who avails himself to His sacrificial death is forgiven. NO ONE IS EXCLUDED from this offer. If you choose to reject this offer, it's only natural that you face the consequence of your choice. We can choose our action, but we can't choose the consequence of our action.
--cont'd -- If I stand on the top of a tall building, the choiceis mine whether to jump down from it or not. But I have no choice over the consequence of my action if I choose to jump down.
For people who have never heard of Jesus, they are judged differently. The Bible says those who live under the law are judged under the law and those who live outside the law are judged according to how they listen to their conscience..
Actually we can not choose our actions. And how does sacrificing yourself to yourself help anybody?
Seriously...guys. Only reasons you are christian is because of your geographic location of birth and that your mama and daddy were talking about god, hell and heaven when you were at sensitive ages.
You christians actually tell 7-year olds that they will burn forever in hell unless they believe in your retarded fairytales. It's forbidden to make commercials for children for a reason.
Of course we can choose our actions, just like you have chosen to post a reply.
Sacrificing yourself to yourself? That's the concept of trinity that you need to understand.
Somehow like most people, you seem to think that your experience is another's also. The fact is geographically speaking, I should be a Buddhist or a Taoist.
Hell is not a place where children have no choice but to go to.
Jn 10:10 should clear up the problem because Jesus said "I came to give you life.....". No mention of sin there but the new covenant Heb 8:10 says God will FORGET the sins.
Wait, What? If Sin can't enter the presence of god, then how would such a sinful nature of a female human, be able to get pregnate with gods child or himself
You are debating due to your spiritual dna letting you know that God exists, you won't allow yourself to understand because you don't know Jesus ,like 30% of the christians don't either so you're not alone theres alot of company with you.
It is God's will that their are atheists. God is all-knowing, so it was predestined that atheists are the way they are now. Don't try to convert them; you are violating His will.
John 3:16 read your bible and stop questioning God.But if you continue you will understand one day like it or not.Jesus attoned for the sins of all man and God poured out His wrath on Jesus instead of you. May God melt the hardness in your heart.Before its too late REPENT!!!!!!!!!
why would god put hardness in my heart in the first place? i thought he wanted us to believe in him? and isnt putting a harness in our heart kind of a violation of freewill?
if adam and eve has any credit, god made them less than animals if the two needed to eat a fruit in order to become smart. ironically, it was the ‘devious’ satan who helped them obtain knowledge and gave them a sense of identity rather than being witless sheep the god could use to smack around (and god threw the nicest little tantrum when he found out they were intelligent and willful
infernalone666 2 months ago
AZ, GOD is the alpha and the omega. The Creator of heaven,earth,waters and ALL that dwell in them. You get the picture,HE'S big. He created you. A&E were given command not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Satan in his pride,knew that A owned the earth which GOD gave him dominion over. Satan full of greed wanted to control what God gave to man. Satan was and is a power hungry wicked apostate. A&E choose to disobey. GOD in his mercy gave us JC to save us from eternal damnation.
ubuyused 4 months ago
@ubuyused
and has shown quite a few times that he is not all-knowing or omnipotent - or just a sadistic bastard
infernalone666 2 months ago
BOTH of the water and Spirit! Baptism in water doesnt make a person a new creature it is the combination of the two!
MykeWilliam 4 months ago
The Great thing about OUR God is he gives us free will, in that you can accept him or reject himt! It is great to have a relationship with Jesus and Not just a lip service/religion or so on... I can't force you to believe anything just as you cant force me. Standing assured having this seal The Lord knows them that are his! I have found that MOST ppl who doubt Jesus as is Lord is because they are against righteous living in some aspect to their own beliefs in sin, thats why we MUST be born again
MykeWilliam 4 months ago
Jesus is real, I cant make you believe it but, the truth is you believe he is real as well . you are questioning Christians, not because you dont want us to be fooled but because you want more reasons to doubt him. by quizzing some ppl who know very little about the bible. to find out more about the bible check out my channel Thnks
MykeWilliam 5 months ago
@MykeWilliam Jesus is not real, not the biblical version anyway. And no, Az does not believe in that fictional tale.
There is no such thing as 'the bible' either.
humanistheart 4 months ago
Hey ,sosouth210 Please learn to spell before you comment .
goatmilk51 6 months ago
Ay guess what mayne you still gonna go to hell so how bout have faith in tha bible instead of thinkin your dumbass is right and bein hard headed on truth
sosouth210 6 months ago
@TheSloopi For the 2nd response, thank you. For the first, I'm sorry but I'm not entirely sure what you meant with the ladder portion.
humanistheart 7 months ago
@TheSloopi Was that response a joke? I don't mean that to be rude, I honestly am wondering.
humanistheart 7 months ago
If the church makes you scared to even breathe wrong they can control you! Control has nothing to do with God! I think Original sin is a Catholic thing too. That's why they tell you unbaptized babies go to hell & they made up Purgatory. I'm a Protestant. I believe God loves us, Jesus told us that God loves us. Jesus Died for the sins of the World, that's everyone. I also believe in reincarnation. Jesus declared that John the Baptist was Elijah who had returned, stating bluntly "Elijah has come".
etonks 9 months ago
everyone gets a chance to go to heavan everyone..romans 123 tells us..Gods plan went into action once Adam fell gen3:15..God doesn't have much to do with the problem he just gives the solution..old testiment times there would be great consequences for actions of sinners new testiment wrath was put on Christ..we can either choose to fellow the first Adam or the second Adam..simple
MissChaceurz 10 months ago
because the stories are bulls
narutopspgeek 11 months ago
Whats the point of your videos? You come up with these metaphors that don't coincide with the teachings of the bible. You make claims and statements that are supposedly the teachings of God, but they are not. You twist and make your own interpretations of the bible, and then come up with a "tough question for Christians". You obviously don't have a legitimate desire to understand the Bible with your "tough questions", since you insult and obviously are ignorant. So whats ur point of these vids?
Breakdown916 11 months ago
@Breakdown916 1. because finding holes in religious crazy talk is the same as twisting it around to make it sound bad?
2. nothing he has said in this video or any others is any different than anything you will hear another christian say. he is just talking about it without a bias for one side or the other.
3. how do you insult the bible by talking about what it says, and how are is someone ignorant if they are knowledgeable in the topic they are talking about. this guy was a christian you know.
xynth101088 11 months ago
Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven
brotherfrank62 1 year ago
15 people who hit thumbs down believe in the boogie man in the sky
Facewizard13 1 year ago
The spirit of antichrist will take over the world. This video is a prime example. Sounds like what you are speaking of is the teachings of Islam. Which is totally antichrist.
cshook123 1 year ago
SORRY FOR THE MISTAKES IN PUNCTUATION AND SPELLING. i SEE THEM. i DID NOT GET THEM ALL.
HALLELUZZ777 1 year ago
CONSIDER the options: THINK: GOD, OMNIPOTENT GOD, KNEW you before he formed you in the womb, provided a way for you to be reconciled to Him by sending his SON, Jesus to die for you. If that is not love, nothing is.
It is not about reason/intellect. it is about turning belly up & accepting, submitting to
a higher power, the highest power saying I am sorry GOD. . THEN he will provide what answers you want. Most of these "tough questions" will be resolved all at once,.
HALLELUZZ777 1 year ago
continued: Strictly from a Christian standpoint, there is no ADAM VS jesus.
Jesus stood as a lamb slain before the foundation of the world because the all wise GOD who did not want robots, knew he would fall, so he said he would send Jesus to provide a way back. It is , GOD'S PLAN. Because we are not GOD, his ways are far higher than ours, we cannot understand this. WE EITHER accept it or reject it. Consider the options? WHAT is there to lose?: Is there a better offer for eternity:?
HALLELUZZ777 1 year ago
30 . THE BIBLE is a book of faith. It is about an all wise, all knowin God who created the universe and all in it. Everything in the BIBLE is about His plan for fallen man and his plan for redemption. Christianity is not mandatory. It is opitional. He calls, we answer or we do not. WHEN we come to him, it is with a wiling heart, believing in his omnipotence. WE believe that he is, and he is a rewarder of those who diligently seek him. He supplies the grace for the rest of it.
HALLELUZZ777 1 year ago
They are not greater than God's actions; they are the same. Here's why.
"You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink"
Adam's sin closes the door into heaven. No one can enter, regardless of what you believe or not.
Jesus's sacrifice opens the door again. A relatively similar action, right? But that doesn't mean that everyone is automatically saved. Jesus can show you the way and lead you to the door, but only you can decide to walk through it.
marcusabsent37 1 year ago
@marcusabsent37 "Adam's sin closes the door into heaven. No one can enter, regardless of what you believe or not."
Lol, biblically speaking heaven didn't exist in adams time. And think about that, because adam did something this god didn't like, despite the fact you'd think an all knowing being would have seen that coming, the door to heaven was closed on all human beings? Hardly an ethical suggestion.
humanistheart 1 year ago
@humanistheart Well, considering that heaven is being with God, it certainly did exist in Adam's time. I'm not sure what you're referencing.
Of course God saw Adam's sin coming, that was why the tree was there to begin with. The point is that Adam and Eve willingly disobeyed God and forfeited the gifts He gave them, for themselves and their children (us).
marcusabsent37 1 year ago
@marcusabsent37 "Well, considering that heaven is being with God, it certainly did exist in Adam's time"
By all means provide the passages that lead you to that conclusion. I'm referencing the fact that heaven is not in the hebrew bible at all, and that the jewish people do not, nor ever had, a concept of heaven or hell, or satan being a devil.
"Of course God saw Adam's sin coming, that was why the tree was there to begin with." So he deliberately put it their for them to sin so he could
humanistheart 1 year ago
@marcusabsent37 hurt them and their ancestors? What kind of warped being would do such a thing? Oh right, the abrahamic god.
So by your standard, if your dad goes out and kills someone we should give him AND you, and any children you may have a penalty? Not much one for justice are you?
humanistheart 1 year ago
@humanistheart Think of Heaven as a state of being; being in the presence of God. By that definition, Heaven existed as long as God existed (which was eternally) and there existed something to be in His presence (which Adam would have qualified).
Technically, the tree was the easiest possible test for them. They could eat from thousands of trees in the garden, so why should they have needed to eat from that tree at all? ...
marcusabsent37 1 year ago
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@marcusabsent37 "By that definition, Heaven existed as long as God existed "
But heaven is described as a physical place and not even mentioned until the NT, so you're suggestion is out.
A test is for the tester to find out some quality of the tested. By calling it a test you're implying your god didn't know what would happen.
humanistheart 1 year ago
@humanistheart Hans Christian Anderson subtly suggests in his fable, "The Garden of Paradise," that Adam and Eve would have somehow disobeyed God no matter what He told them to do or not do.
Adam is not just the father of all mankind, he and Eve are the sole representitives of mankind during that time. So they, representing mankind, ultimately rejected God's gifts, and it is up to us to accept them and gain God's trust back.
marcusabsent37 1 year ago
@marcusabsent37 Look, you can call them 'representatives' or what ever the hell else you like, the fact remains, in the fictional stories you know call the bibles, god punishes children from their parents 'sins'. Not even anything wrong, just sins. That, again, is like if your dad commits a crime and we also kill you and your children for it. It's just wrong.
humanistheart 1 year ago
@humanistheart Atheists are very quick to point out that God punishes mankind for sin, but He also provides them with a solution: Jesus. Jesus is the means by which we don't have to pay the price for that sin (hell), and we can be happy with God in Heaven despite what Adam did.
marcusabsent37 1 year ago
@marcusabsent37 So If I decided to praise the Sun I deserve eternal torture for nothing having faith in Jesus, if I knew nothing about Jesus at all?
Cool fairytale bro.
marinefrenzy 1 year ago
@marinefrenzy No one really knows what happens to people who don't know about Jesus at all. Personally, I believe God does cut them a little slack, because otherwise it would be punishment for something that is not really their fault.
marcusabsent37 1 year ago
@marcusabsent37 Yeah because your shits a fairytale.
marinefrenzy 1 year ago
@marcusabsent37 "but He also provides them with a solution: Jesus." Oh not just atheists, Buddhists and hindu's and Taoists and most other religions point out the insanity that is the christian religion. Think about it. This god creates people, knowing full well they'll do thing he doesn't like. And he's such an unbearable horses ass that he cant stand to be around people who do things he doesn't like (sin) which are not in any way the same as doing something wrong, but thousands of years
humanistheart 1 year ago
@marcusabsent37 after he's 'created' this world he comes down in an incarnate human form specifically to get HIMSELF killed to appease HIMSELF and somehow the process of spilling earthly blood appeases him enough to let people who've done things he doesn't like near him, but only if they believe he did come in an incarnate human form. That's pretty damn insane.
humanistheart 1 year ago
@humanistheart You done ranting, now? Alright...
If God created people, and He wanted them to love Him, obviously He had to give them the choice not to love Him, and not obey Him That's what sin is; an action contrary to God's wishes. Even an idiot can see that many actions one considers evil often overlap with what the Christian faith calls a sin. If you are a Christian, then God is the source of morality, so EVERYTHING that is a sin is something wrong, and vice-versa.
marcusabsent37 1 year ago
@marcusabsent37 "an action contrary to God's wishes." "If you are a Christian, then God is the source of morality, "
See, the problem there is that do what I say or suffer is not morality, it's tyranny. So no, sin has nothing to do with right or wrong. Not one tiny bit.
humanistheart 1 year ago
@humanistheart Well, to make that argument, you would have to provide a counterargument as to what right and wrong actually are.
marcusabsent37 1 year ago
@marcusabsent37 Not really, as only hitler level maniacs favor rape, and slavery, and genocide, and child abuse as your god is depicted as doing.
humanistheart 1 year ago
@humanistheart So, what then determines right and wrong? You? What morality can you appeal to, other than your own? Or that of another human being?
If you are an atheist, you probably believe in subjective morality, in which case the MOST you can say is "IMO, God is immoral." That's all; trying to say God IS immoral means you have another standard of morality independant of man or God. And that is...
marcusabsent37 1 year ago
@marcusabsent37 "What morality can you appeal to, other than your own? Or that of another human being?" Reason, logic, and fact, and harm. For example, your god approves of slavery. But slavery debases any being, is emotionally destructive, takes away choice and so on. You say your imaginary god is the source of morality but this god allows slavery, and rape, and child abuse and genocide and infanticide. You, based on that, must then conclude that killing people is not wrong, that rape is not
humanistheart 1 year ago
@marcusabsent37 wrong, that killing children for talking back or hitting a parent is not wrong. Only a twisted being can think slavery and rape and genocide is 'perfect'.
1) No, in fact they are not. For example the flood, a punishment for 'wickedness', yet how can an infant or the unborn child commit any crimes? Also you'll not that people are punished for things that aren't bad, such as being homosexual.
2) If he's omnipresent he's going to be EVERYWHERE as per the definition. If he
humanistheart 1 year ago
@marcusabsent37 can be present with sin on earth, and in hell as he'd have be there to to be omnipresent, than he could handle it in heaven as well. And again, think about the immaturity of that. If you do anything I don't like I can't be around you. Again, if that was a human we'd call them unbearably immature, but you think you're god works that way and it's 'good'. WOW.
3) Make up your mind, is he omnipresent or not?
humanistheart 1 year ago
@humanistheart If God didn't allow people to sin, they couldn't really love Him, because they wouldn't have a choice. He may make a strong incentive (threats of hell, promise of eternal life), but ultimately, it is still up to us as individuals to choose to love and serve Him.
marcusabsent37 1 year ago
@marcusabsent37 "If God didn't allow people to sin, they couldn't really love Him, because they wouldn't have a choice. "
First of all, people can't have free will in your religion. Not even your god. Second of all, putting people into eternal hellfire for not 'loving' a they have no direct contact with (or any since he's not real) is not 'loving', it's psychotic.
humanistheart 1 year ago
@humanistheart People can and do have free will; they have the ability to choose whether to follow Christianity. But just because people have the ability to choose does not make other views equally valid in terms of truth.
You say it is not loving for God to send people to hell for not loving Him. Well, how about this...if they don't love God, would they any happier in heaven, where He is eternally present?
marcusabsent37 1 year ago
@marcusabsent37 "You say it is not loving for God to send people to hell for not loving Him. Well, how about this...if they don't love God, would they any happier in heaven, where He is eternally present?" If he was as ever present as christians say he'd be eternally present ih hell as well. But here's a thought. If he was all powerful maybe, just maybe he can come up with something between 'paradise' and 'hell'. You would have me believe that an all knowing being can only think of TWO things?
humanistheart 1 year ago
@marcusabsent37 yes people have free will. It's another thing that disproved you're god, as if he was all knowing and created the world, including everything in it including everything in your body and genetics and you're environment than the future is already set, because he knew how it would go before it happened, thus predetermined thus no choice.
humanistheart 1 year ago
@humanistheart Jesus's sacrifice is NOT to appease Himself, it is to display His love and selflessness. Obviously, if Jesus (or God the Father) had chosen to just open Heaven with a snap of their fingers, they could have. But that isn't love, its just convenience. Instead, Jesus suffered and payed the price of our sins, showing us that we COULD be forgiven, that He would NOT abandon us.
marcusabsent37 1 year ago
@marcusabsent37 "Jesus's sacrifice is NOT to appease Himself, it is to display His love and selflessness. " Yes, it was.
"they could have. But that isn't love, its just convenience. Instead, Jesus suffered and payed the price of our sins, showing us that we COULD be forgiven, that He would NOT abandon us."
No one thought they'd be abandoned, that's not how the hebrew afterlife worked. And they had no heaven and hell. Christians invented that. So that makes your claim false.
humanistheart 1 year ago
@humanistheart But God didn't just come for hebrews, He came for everyone. Why should the hebrews' specific beliefs about the afterlife make any difference in mankind being reaccepted by God?
marcusabsent37 1 year ago
@marcusabsent37 "Why should the hebrews' specific beliefs about the afterlife make any difference in mankind being reaccepted by God?" Oh gee I don't knwo, maybe because that's where this god is from? You think jesus is god, and for some reason the messiah. And what religion is the messiah from? Hmmm... oh right, the HERBEW BIBLE.
humanistheart 1 year ago
@humanistheart Jesus is the fulfillment of Jewish scripture, it is true. But the implications of the Fall of Man affect all people, not just Jews. So Jesus is the Messiah for all people, and not just Jews.
Jesus humbled Himself by becoming a Man. He sacrificed Himself to His Father to save Man. By this sacrifice, we are now free to embrace the happiness God offers us. Can anybody explain why some people are just so mad at Him (Jesus)?
marcusabsent37 1 year ago
@marcusabsent37 "So Jesus is the Messiah for all people, and not just Jews."
Perhaps in your beliefs he is, BUT the point is that the messiah is a concept coming from Hebrew beliefs, thus the hebrew scriptures must be considered. And in the hebrew beliefs jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophecies, or the 'law' as some chrsitians say, and neither heaven nor hell are in their scriptures. Isn't it strange that the chosen people were never informed of this heaven or hell?
humanistheart 1 year ago
@humanistheart LOL, they were informed. What do you think Jesus did?
Heaven and Hell are not mentioned in hebrew scripture because they do not have all the pieces to the puzzle. Jesus was the one who filled in the gaps that Judaism did not explain. Judaism paves the way for Christianity, who are God's now chosen people.
marcusabsent37 1 year ago
@marcusabsent37 "Heaven and Hell are not mentioned in hebrew scripture because they do not have all the pieces to the puzzle. "
ROFL, right, so jesus was the solution to a problem that didn't actually exist until he came! That makes perfect sense, lol.
humanistheart 1 year ago
@marcusabsent37 "He sacrificed Himself to His Father to save Man. " Yes but you believe jesus IS god, or part of god, so he's sacrificing himself to himself to get over his own issues? Seems like his problem, why should be ours?
humanistheart 1 year ago
@humanistheart Yes, but Jesus is also a man, and as a man, He can stand in our place on the altar and give Himself up to the FATHER (a distinct person from God the SON). This way, we can be free of sin.
It is our problem because sin is our fault.
marcusabsent37 1 year ago
@marcusabsent37 "Himself up to the FATHER (a distinct person from God the SON)." Jesus was either god, or not. So make up you're mind. And think about that. Besides, think about that. This god is 'good' but needs blood to get over his own hang ups. That's pretty fucked up.
humanistheart 1 year ago
@humanistheart Jesus is God the Son. However, God the Father and God the Son are two distinct figures in the Trinity, yet they are both still God.
He doesn't need blood. Listen...
Man sinned. Man cut himself off from God. It is MAN'S obligation to fix this problem. But Man, being imperfect and finite, is incapable of this. Only GOD can fix it; yet it is not God's obligation to do so. Man has the duty; God has the power.
marcusabsent37 1 year ago
@marcusabsent37 "Jesus is God the Son. However, God the Father and God the Son are two distinct figures in the Trinity, yet they are both still God."
Than yeah, if they are both god, than god sacrificed himself, to himself to appease himself. That's extremely convoluted.
"Man sinned. Man cut himself off from God." First of all, this god of the bible still talked and interfered in humans lives constantly, that's hardly cut off, and second of all that would be god cutting them off not the
humanistheart 1 year ago
@marcusabsent37 other way round as you would have it. As for 'fixing' this, this god can't get over the fact people do things he doesn't like, even though if all powerful he knew they would. Who's problem is that? If a human got all pissy every time anyone did even 1 thing they didn't like, so much so that they couldn't be around that person ever again for just 1 thing, we'd call that a problem. So clearly this would be your gods problem, not humans so it's his obligation to fix.
humanistheart 1 year ago
@marcusabsent37 "So Jesus, being both God and Man, was the solution."
Again, it would be god's obligation to fix it. Thus you think he needed to kill himself to appease himself. Also I'll point out that being in a human body would not change things. If jesus was god than it's still god 'fixing' things now isn't it. But what would be easier that convoluted belief or just getting over his own issues?
humanistheart 1 year ago
@humanistheart
Clearly, you don't understand the concept of the Trinity.
When we say cut off from God, we mean heaven. God can talk and interact with people on earth, but it's not the same as being in His Presence. With original sin, Man could not be in the Presence of God in heaven.
Even if God threw man out of paradise, it is still because of what man did. So, ultimately, it is man's fault that they are cut off from God.
marcusabsent37 1 year ago
@marcusabsent37 "With original sin, Man could not be in the Presence of God in heaven"
There are so many many problems with that claim. First of all, it means that it's okay to blame offspring and others for your own 'sins', which should show you again that sin is not the same as wrong, as no civilized country in the world would punish children for their parents crimes. 2nd, you must think your god is not all present then, as it implies that he only is in heaven,
humanistheart 1 year ago
@marcusabsent37 3rd, interacting with people is being present, thus 'in his presence' so if he can be in the presence of 'sinners' here he could just as easily do it there 4th there's the obvious question as to WHY you think people couldn't be in his presence after sinning without having a blood sacrifice and 5th, even if he couldn't have people in his presence because he's just that big of an ass, why not give them their own heavens, or some other alternative to eternal torture? I mean come on
humanistheart 1 year ago
@marcusabsent37 be with me or suffer in hellfire forever. That's really all an "all-knowing" being can come up with? Please.
humanistheart 1 year ago
@humanistheart
1. The children are only punished if they commit the same crimes as their parents. Just think about that.
2. He is omnipresent. Let's just say that, when you die, you will see that there is a big difference between God's presence on earth and His Glorified Presence in Heaven.
3. Even if God weren't omnipresent, you can interact with people without being present (like a telephone). Why shouldn't God be able to?
marcusabsent37 1 year ago
@humanistheart
4. If Heaven is perfect, God won't allow evil into heaven. And Jesus has already taken care of the sacrifice; all you have to do is accept God, and repent of your sins.
5. Well, it's either in His Presence (Heaven) or not (Hell). Which would you prefer?
marcusabsent37 1 year ago
@marcusabsent37 "4. If Heaven is perfect, God won't allow evil into heaven" That would depend on your definition of perfect. After all, evil has nothing to do with right and wrong, and if you think god is 'perfect' you must think genocide, infanticide, rape, child abuse, and slavery are 'perfect' too, so how can anyone be worse than that? Since those things are 'perfect' hitler would be perfect and in heaven.
And what kind of being needs a blood sacrifice to get over the idea that people do
humanistheart 1 year ago
@marcusabsent37 things he doesn't like? A psychopath, that's what kind of being.
5) Once again, what kind of all knowing being is so stupid they can only come up with 2 choices, love me or suffer? You really think an all knowing being can't think up other alternatives? I mean come on, that's really really stupid.
humanistheart 1 year ago
@humanistheart You've got the picture of God all wrong. God wants people to be happy with Him in heaven. But if people sin and curse and hate God, they would be miserable in heaven, because the God they hate is there. So God sends Jesus to open the gates of heaven, and to tell people not to sin. That way, they can be happy in heaven
marcusabsent37 1 year ago
@humanistheart Jesus in not just God in a human body. He was both fully God and fully Man.
marcusabsent37 1 year ago
@humanistheart (continued) So Jesus, being both God and Man, was the solution.
marcusabsent37 1 year ago
@marcusabsent37 "It is our problem because sin is our fault." Two problems with that bs. First of all, since this god's the one that doesn't care for sin, it's his problem, not ours. Second since sin is just this gods opinion, not based on anything of substance, why the hell should we care about it even if it existed?
humanistheart 1 year ago
@humanistheart However, sin still affects us, so it is our problem and our obligation not to sin. Also, God's will is law, so His "opinion" (as you say) does have substance.
marcusabsent37 1 year ago
@marcusabsent37 "However, sin still affects us, so it is our problem and our obligation not to sin. "
Uh-huh. That's like saying hitler effected people so it was their obligation to kill the jews.
In the past, the word of kings was law. Did that make it right? No. Same thing.
humanistheart 1 year ago
@humanistheart It's clear from your example that you have no idea what I just said.
On the word of kings, their rules were not always right because they were not the source of the law; even they would say that they were just acting in God's name. Since God is the source of law, He cannot be wrong. If He is to be considered wrong, there must be another absolute source of morality. What is that?
marcusabsent37 1 year ago
@marcusabsent37 "On the word of kings, their rules were not always right because they were not the source of the law;" Their word was law, and yes, the source of the law. They of course weren't right, which is the same point of your god. And no, there were kings long before your religion or the hebrew religion existed.
No, there must not be a absolute source of morality, and even if there were it wouldn't be your god, that's tyranny not morality.
humanistheart 1 year ago
@humanistheart Of course there has to be another source of absolute morality for you to say that God is wrong, because otherwise its just your opinion. So what is it?
marcusabsent37 1 year ago
@marcusabsent37 I see rather than actually address the numerous posts made, you return to you're belief that you need a 'absolute morality source' despite this merely being your belief, despite me already answering this, and despite you're inability to give a reason why your god, if he existed would be it. I take it you've given up.
humanistheart 1 year ago
@humanistheart No, I haven't given up :P
If God existed and He (by definition) created everything, then obviously He created morals. Right?
The point is that when you say that God is immoral, you are stating it as a fact, not as merely your opinion. If God's (or anyone's) immorality can be a fact, there has to be an absolute definition of what right and wrong are; otherwise, its just a matter of opinion. You don't seem to think its your opinion, so what absolute morals are you appealing to?
marcusabsent37 1 year ago
@marcusabsent37 "If God's (or anyone's) immorality can be a fact, there has to be an absolute definition of what right and wrong otherwise, its just a matter of opinion. "
But by that same standard then you saying morality is just whatever this god says it is, also means it's just your god's opinion.
humanistheart 1 year ago
@marcusabsent37 "If God existed and He (by definition) created everything, then obviously He created morals. Right?" But if he created EVERYTHING than two questions, for him to create EVERYTHING he'd have to have created himself, and evil. The first one is just puzzling and the second one indicates then you'd have to admit he's evil.
humanistheart 1 year ago
@marcusabsent37 So since you're god cannot be an absolute on morality, even if he existed, only his opinion as there's no reason even if he existed to call him a moral absolute, what are you basing your morals on?
And again, because I said so is not morality, it's tyrant.
humanistheart 1 year ago
@humanistheart Obviously, you are entitled to your POV. But I'm trying to explain my beliefs to you, without insulting what your views are, and you are just being disrespectful. I'm all for civilized debating, but if all you are going to do is be an asshole, there really isn't any point to keep talking, is there?
marcusabsent37 1 year ago
The more I think about it, the more I realize that the bible should belong in the mythology section in bookstores.
MovieFinatic456 1 year ago
Firstly the Story about the Creation is must to know, it helps us to understand that the Physical self of Jesus did exist before Adam was created, making Jesus the first Adam.
Secondly all Denominations must realize that Jesus is God, only then would all the pieces all in to the puzzle.
Infinite human or Infinite God you decide
AdamtoJesus 1 year ago
Isn't fruit a parallel? What we got from that event is smarter, about science anyway. To control medical properties and manipulate science or DNA , which are proven to be controlled by a harmonic balance AKA String theory or the One law. Once we started messing with this balance, the balance of the world biology was off, which we were born into. Wonder what would have happened if we ate from the tree of life? Christ tryed to show us how to overcome this.
chrisclarkcustoms 1 year ago
The actions of an infinate God reversed the curse of sin and death brought on us after the initial rebellion ie one mans sin passed sin to all mankind and by the act of one man and relating again to God through BELIEF we are able to return to a high spiritual state and regain what was taken from us. Jesus was with God in the begining- He is the only begotten -meaning the only Son apart from angelic! He lived a perfect life because we can't.. Blasphemy is another sin worthy of death. Take heed.
IslandMystic 1 year ago
Pro 18:7 A fool's mouth is his destruction, and his lips are the snare of his soul.
tonguesofgrace 1 year ago
Hell isn't biblical. See my video 'Hell exposed' or not. Christ died to save all of Adams descendants.
No not every human is of Adams bloodline.
Elohim chose in the beginning those who would serve him and those who wouldn't for now. Adversity. like Yin/Yang
He isn't calling all people to believe in him at this time.
You can't believe, until he calls you. If he does you will be certain that he is real.
Nothing I or anyone can say will make you a believer, unless Elohim draws you.
GenMata 1 year ago
Many Christians dont believe God & Jesus are the same person. And to answer your question, its quality over quantity.In order to measure the "power", we need a unit of measurement. Lets use money. Lets say you pick 20 apples and plan sell them for $1 each, and I pick 3 apples and plan to sell them for $3 each. After you pick your apples you discover that 15 of your apples have rotton spots,but none of mine do, actually mine look perfect. who would make more money?
truth1920 1 year ago
Clearing up the misunderstanding about tithing in today's New Testament Church.
brotherfrank62 1 year ago
Romans 5:15But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. 16And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. 17For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and the gift of......
ez4u2c61 1 year ago
Your final comment was brilliant.
I never thought about it that way before.
How is it possible that a finite beings actions seem to overpower the actions of an infinite being?
Very wise comment in which to leave one to ponder over indeed.
waterandphotons 1 year ago
"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his
creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own --
a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty.
Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism." [Einstein]
waterandphotons 1 year ago
All religions are maintained through fear. The fear of god, the fear of punishment, the fear of being attacked by those murderers who believe in such damnable lies...lies of god...that the god of the bible is a mass murderer, which he is, that he is a serial killer of innocents, which it says he is...gee no wonder Americans embrace mass murder and serial killing...ie Iraq, Japan, Afghanistan, American Indians, Central Americans, Vietnamese....I can go on...
hereforhumankind 1 year ago
O mankind! worship your Lord, Who hath created you and those before you, so that ye may ward off (evil). (21) Who hath appointed the earth a resting-place for you, and the sky a canopy; and causeth water to pour down from the sky, thereby producing fruits as food for you. And do not set up rivals to Allah when ye know (better). (22) of surah 2 Quran
iReadthequran 1 year ago
@iReadthequran You need to ban the burka.
wackydan74 1 year ago
@wackydan74 Do you believe in God? God says: 103.001 By (the Token of) Time (through the ages),
103.002 Verily Man is in loss,
103.003 Except such as have Faith, and do righteous deeds, and (join together) in the mutual teaching of Truth, and of Patience and Constancy.
Quran
iReadthequran 1 year ago
@iReadthequran God does not say that at all. The book says it. And on the next page of the quran someone married a teapot that talks and another women barks like a dog through her burka when she gets excited, WHO FUCKING CARES!! This is for christians anyway. Piss off.
wackydan74 1 year ago
hey you do know that there is two different bible one the old and new right? read both but don't put them together as one, that would make no sense, read one and think the meaning and compare with the other one. It will make hudge difference
passionkev01 1 year ago
@passionkev01
How can you not put them together? The stories refer to each other and... try... to maintain a consistency. It's an ongoing story, a documentation of the acts of God/Jesus.
You could not be a functioning Christian (or human for that matter) to not read the beginning of a story and not mesh and compare thoughts, ideas, plots, feelings, and calculated prophesies? You are begging for someone to think irrationally in order to see your way more clearly. This is persuasive... how?
coreygames 1 year ago
1) Why are certain aspects of Scripture being left out?
2)Why is the finite trying to understand something that is infinite?
Minimmatty 2 years ago
@Minimmatty
1) Because this question focuses on only two Christian beliefs. That Adam's action will condemn all of humanity to Hell - and that Jesus' action will free them from the condemnation.
2) Because not understanding something infinite will supposedly get you tortured for eternity.
azsuperman01 2 years ago
1) But those two beliefs are much more complex than you present them to be a whole lot of theology and Scripture is not being looked at
2) just to keep clear what i meant was your trrying to finitely rationalize the infinite actions of God.
i am in the boat if your going to question something you need to remove all presuppositions from yourself. Objectivity. both sides must receive equal consideration.
Minimmatty 2 years ago
@Minimmatty
1) What additional complexity is needed to understand the "fall" of man or the "redemption" of believers?
2) The actions of God that I am describing are finite. There are only a finite number of people that will be "saved."
I agree, questions need to be objective - as much as possible -- and as specific as possible.
azsuperman01 2 years ago
I think the fruit story is collected from greec mytology, where human race choose to obtain knowledge and developing in its own way. Of cource this aquires an own lower human nature witch involves things like judging , hate , love , sences that you probably will not find in higher dimentions.
roffpoff 2 years ago
How can you compare sin to legs? That's comparing sex to rape, yeah both happens but ones obviously bad and ones better.
seanfenrir 2 years ago
@seanfenrir
Legs are a great analogy because you COULD live your whole life without using them - but no one ever will (medical reasons excluded)... likewise you are born with a sinful nature, while you COULD live your whole life without using it - no one ever will.
If using your legs was a sin, we'd all be guilty.
azsuperman01 2 years ago
Yeah that's true. We all sin just like we all use are legs, however I could be wrong but to the best of my knowledge walking never killed or upset anyone. I see what your saying but good and bad still plays a role in my book.
seanfenrir 2 years ago
@azsuperman01 the fruit is a symbology it describes a temptation to a sin that was made fair-seeming.
god did not impregnate the 'virgin' mary. she was a virgin. jesus was born as son to joseph and mary. and in the same capacity as jesus was a son to joseph, jesus was a son to god.
bare in mind, nothing comes into creation except by the will of god. everyone is created by god, including adam and eve.
daenumen 1 year ago
@azsuperman01 these 'christians' who claim that god impregnated mary to make jesus both outside of wedlock and in an act of adultery will go to hell.
daenumen 1 year ago
No disrespect to anybody. Fivepointbaptist no disrespect.
seanfenrir 2 years ago
ndlynn08 says it best.
seanfenrir 2 years ago
Funny how you refuted your own question here. You admitted that man would not have the power to "create" anything, yet, your question ask how Adam was powerful enough to do what he did. LOL
Now, the answer. God DECREED that all who are in Adam would bear his likeness, the sinful nature, which, is all humanity. God likewise decreed that all who are in Christ would benefit from Christ likeness, namely, the elect.
fivepointbaptist 2 years ago
I think you miss the point...god DECREED that the actions of a finite being (adam) would bear more weight than the actions of himself.
God ultimately decided that human sin is a more powerful influence on the balance of his own creation than the 'ultimate' remedy thought up and carried out by god himself!!
Adam trumps Jesus by having more in his likeness than he does, thus the influence of the almighty is made to look foolish before the power and influence of his own creation.
Ironic huh?
jaynkay100 2 years ago
@fivepointbaptist
So... the actions of Adam (a finite human) are more powerful and far-reaching than the actions of Jesus (an infinite god)... because... that's the way God wanted it?
Is that really your answer? God decreed that everyone be born condemned to an eternity in Hell and that a few be giving a chance to avoid it?
Tell me again why this God is "good?"
azsuperman01 2 years ago
You got it all wrong. God didn't give people a "chance" at salvation, He saved all those He wanted to save. And yes, this is good since God is the standard of good. Remember, "good" does not exist in your world.
fivepointbaptist 2 years ago
@fivepointbaptist
Why did God bother created all those he didn't want to save? Did he create them simply to torture them in Hell later?
If God is the standard of Good, then it is your worldview which can not define "good" in any meaningful way -- if genocide and torture can be considered "good" right along with charity and kindness, depending on God's mood, the word becomes meaningless.
azsuperman01 2 years ago
You miss the point completely. You continue to put God and man on the same level. It is wrong for humans to torture other humans because we are just as worthless and sinful as the numbnuts standing next to us.
Kinda like Tiger Woods lecturing people about being faithful to your spouse. He is in no position to condemn anyone given his track record. However, someone who has truly been faithful has quite a bit more authority to speak on the subject.
fivepointbaptist 2 years ago
@fivepointbaptist
Actually, you missed my point completely. Torture and genocide can be considered "good" under your worldview, because "good" is determined by the whim of God. The Bible is full of stories about God commanding the slaughter of non-believers... you only consider killing "wrong" right now because you don't think God has told you to kill anyone.
You also ignored my other question: Why did God bother creating people he didn't want to save, just to torture them later?
azsuperman01 2 years ago
I have already answered your question. YES! God created them for the purpose of destroying them so that the elect might better understand the riches of His grace. I already provided Romans 9 in support of this.
Must I continue to repeat myself?
fivepointbaptist 2 years ago
Who said Adam was infinite when he ate of the tree? Later on God shortened our years to 120 max. which compounded to the Wages of sin is death. He ate of the tree as an infinite being and from this action took us to our grave. Repent Shawn for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!
inhim610 2 years ago
Maybe Luke 3:38 which says "Adam son of God"
yarrw 2 years ago
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tabernacleofjason 2 years ago
God created us with free will. Every person born has acted upon that free will to sin. (We don't need Adam and Eve's sin to make us sinners) Each one of us chooses to go our own way at one time or another. In God's love, He found a brilliant way that would meet the requirements of a death penalty for sin, without punishing each of us. But remember, we still have free will, so God will not "force" us to receive Jesus as our Savior. We are free to accept our reject Jesus, its our choice.
romansten9 2 years ago
I think the original sin doctrine is junk. When the Jewish Apostle Paul preached on "sin and death" he meant Gen 2:17. Adam sinned and he died THE SAME DAY unless God lied of course. When Jesus says Matt 8:22 ".. leave the dead to bury their dead.." He is referring to the same thing.
There people are not zombies but they are descendants of Adam.
yarrw 2 years ago
The idea of original sin is pretty crystal clear in the Bible. (Romans 5:12, I Corinthians 15:22, Psalm 51:5, Psalm 58:3) But, like I stated earlier, this is no excuse for us to blame Adam and Eve when we sin. Each of us is responsible for our own sins. But, because of God's great mercy He sent Jesus to die for us, and rise again so that we wouldn't have to pay the penalty for sin ourselves. Therefore, accepting or rejecting Jesus is the most important decision we will ever make.
romansten9 2 years ago
Jesus didn't have Romans 5 as a reference for 'Original sin' doctrine, neither did Paul so when Jesus said (Jn 10:10) 'I have come to give you life...." he meant it.
Jn 6:63 "It is the Spirit that gives life, the flesh is useless"
yarrw 2 years ago
Yes, I agree that Jesus meant it when He said "I came to give you life" It was (and is) still required for people to believe that Jesus paid for our sins on the cross and rose again, and to have faith that nothing but Jesus can save you. Every one of us has sinned (whether you believe in original sin or not) What's the difference? Is it going to change how guilty we are? By the way, Jesus doesn't need to read the Bible to know scripture. Jesus is God.
romansten9 2 years ago
So we have 2 different religions here. The one that the church (and the pharisees) preach and then the doctrines of Jesus himself. If we are unsaved we are under judgment(law of sin and death) but if we are saved then in
Rom 8:1-2 there is no condemnation "because the law of the spirit of life (Christ Jesus) has set me free from the law of sin and death."
Jn 6:63 It is the Spirit that gives life, the flesh is useless.
In Ps 51:6 we see king David was saved. "Take not your spirit from me"
yarrw 2 years ago
Is there a difference between the Abrahamic religions? Why play one against the other?
Islam was created 600 years later and is going through the age that xtians went through at the time.
All those religions want to stop research, as Gawd-dun-it.
They can't all be right, but they can all be wrong.
StopSpamming1 2 years ago
retarded corleones!
at least christianity doesnt hurt anybody!! go tell the muslims they're wrong! christianity is about love, at least it makes the world a better place . have you tought about it that way ? islam however says something like: if he doesnt want to join you, kill him! . WTF ! go tell them to stop their bullshit ! they bang 11year old girls and its legal according to their book! if you want to make people open minded, you are starting with the wrong people my friend!
johannes5000 2 years ago
All good girls collect the adam~
Giblar 2 years ago
Well I can say this is another foolishness of yours. You said in this video and I quote, Jesus came to solve that problem (of humanity) apparently. God decided if He impregnate the woman with Himself and she gave birth to Him then He could have Himself sacrificed to Himself and then He could use that sacrifice of Himself to make Himself forgive you because He punished Himself instead Wow! Is this how you understood it? Where did you get that idea?
superwatchman09 2 years ago
Who teach you that stuff? Where can I find that in the Bible? Dont make us a fool like you. THIS IS NOT THE MESSAGE OF THE BIBLE, poor boy, this is your own gospel. Your theology is totally off. This shows that you dont understand the Bible so please STOP quoting the Bible because you dont know it. Romans 1:22 exactly fits you and I quote, Professing to be wise, they became fools. Ooops, sorry, but you must know the truth and truth will set you free.
superwatchman09 2 years ago
its not. Jesus died for the sins of the world. but only if you believe in him as the son of God and that he was crucified and rose from the dead. he conquered everything adam did. and if you dont believe, then you have decided to reject the forgiveness for yourself.
kelcee47 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
no punishment for doing wrong, I like your thinking, lets just let all the prisoners out of prisoners they were born like that,
sinners against man law Go to jail!
sinner against God law Go to hell!
yall atheist claim to be smart, but what yall say is so ridiculously stupid, its almost unbelievable how stupid yall are,
abdedgfh 2 years ago
abdedgth - LOL! I never said no punishment for anything... in fact, if you watch my other videos I explain the purpose of prisons... but I also show why Hell doesn't perform ANY of the functions of a prison.
azsuperman01 2 years ago
hmm since you was being quiet respectful in this vid i respect that....so ill be respectful in saying that the knowledge you have of the bible is very little.... the tough questions you claim are tough are rather easy for christians to explain....umm not sure what christians.... but hey man nice attempt ^_^
importkid34 2 years ago
Adam's action is all encompassing only because he passed his fallen nature to mankind. BUT a fallen nature is not what sends us to hell. It is our sins. The Bible is clear on this. Ezekiel 18:20 says the soul that sins shall die. The choice to sin or not is ours. Anyone who lives his life without ever sinning does not need a saviour. Jesus said He came to call on sinners, not on the righteous.
astujest 2 years ago
Jesus' death on the cross is all encompassing. It is a ONCE-FOR-ALL sacrifice for ALL sins & for ALL MEN. Anyone who avails himself to His sacrificial death is forgiven. NO ONE IS EXCLUDED from this offer. If you choose to reject this offer, it's only natural that you face the consequence of your choice. We can choose our action, but we can't choose the consequence of our action.
---cont'd ---
astujest 2 years ago
--cont'd -- If I stand on the top of a tall building, the choiceis mine whether to jump down from it or not. But I have no choice over the consequence of my action if I choose to jump down.
For people who have never heard of Jesus, they are judged differently. The Bible says those who live under the law are judged under the law and those who live outside the law are judged according to how they listen to their conscience..
astujest 2 years ago
@astujest
Actually we can not choose our actions. And how does sacrificing yourself to yourself help anybody?
Seriously...guys. Only reasons you are christian is because of your geographic location of birth and that your mama and daddy were talking about god, hell and heaven when you were at sensitive ages.
You christians actually tell 7-year olds that they will burn forever in hell unless they believe in your retarded fairytales. It's forbidden to make commercials for children for a reason.
Giblar 2 years ago
Giblar
Of course we can choose our actions, just like you have chosen to post a reply.
Sacrificing yourself to yourself? That's the concept of trinity that you need to understand.
Somehow like most people, you seem to think that your experience is another's also. The fact is geographically speaking, I should be a Buddhist or a Taoist.
Hell is not a place where children have no choice but to go to.
astujest 2 years ago
Jn 10:10 should clear up the problem because Jesus said "I came to give you life.....". No mention of sin there but the new covenant Heb 8:10 says God will FORGET the sins.
yarrw 2 years ago
I can say one thing. It will be lonely and boring in heaven if christians are right.
Mikedogg13666 2 years ago
Wait, What? If Sin can't enter the presence of god, then how would such a sinful nature of a female human, be able to get pregnate with gods child or himself
Oh wait.. loophole i guess.
KernsNoel 2 years ago
You are debating due to your spiritual dna letting you know that God exists, you won't allow yourself to understand because you don't know Jesus ,like 30% of the christians don't either so you're not alone theres alot of company with you.
skilla23 2 years ago
the funny part is you have no idea how stupid that comment sounds do you? (plz plz use the period key sometimes)
AJWalton12 2 years ago
It is God's will that their are atheists. God is all-knowing, so it was predestined that atheists are the way they are now. Don't try to convert them; you are violating His will.
zzall22 2 years ago
Amen! hahaha
SheepRCool17 2 years ago
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AnihiIus 2 years ago
John 3:16 read your bible and stop questioning God.But if you continue you will understand one day like it or not.Jesus attoned for the sins of all man and God poured out His wrath on Jesus instead of you. May God melt the hardness in your heart.Before its too late REPENT!!!!!!!!!
skilla23 2 years ago
lol quiet noob
NactSuht 2 years ago
why would god put hardness in my heart in the first place? i thought he wanted us to believe in him? and isnt putting a harness in our heart kind of a violation of freewill?
johnnythesailorman 2 years ago