9/11 Un-debunked: An Answer to RKOwens4 and Other Internet Debunkers Part 14

[Tommygb21]

Once again un-debunkers (LOL) ... An aircraft in flight that is shot down does NOT simply "suddenly drop like a stone, an almost vertical nosedive." It loses its aerodynamic properties all together, and fails to maintain any predictable movement, other than the movement will be unpredictable.  oh, and the poster of this video drastically fails to understand kinetic energy. an aircraft crashing at 600 mph into the ground is going to leave a VERY large debris field.

[rroman3212]

@DanTheBrahman By "that piece of evidence" I can only assume you are talking about what the video shows at 1:51. All the video does at that point is take "facts" and interpret them however they want to show that it fits their theory. If you consider that falsifying then I guess my answer would be Yes.

[TheGodKingOfMusic]

im sure these videos brings up some interesting facts about stuff but the music is horrible

[rroman3212]

That video was a waste of 8 minutes. Besides the "evidence" that means very little to nothing there is one major problem with your theory: If the plane was shot down it would have left large chunks of debris like any other crash. It left no visible degree because it flew straight into the ground at 500 mph. That would not have happened if the plane was shot down. And why do half of your eye witnesses have no names?

[AlexanderTheGood89]

@rroman3212

Sorry, citizenfor911lies1 does not respond to legitimate criticisms of his work.

[rroman3212]

@AlexanderTheGood89 lol! No they never do. It is more fun to live in their conspiracy world. Much more interesting over their.

[vivalaryan54]

A Rolls-Royce RB211-535C engine weighs 7294 lbs. Thats more than 3.5 tons. 2000 feet is a relatively low distance for 3.5 tons of metal to travel after being slammed into the ground at 563 miles per hour. Granted the engine would not fly that far, however the amount of momentum the engine would generate would be enough to allow the engine to tumble for the rest of that distance.

[bf2lover42]

@vivalaryan54 Sorry for bumping a 6 month old comment, but I couldn't ignore the situation.

In a video I wacthed a few mins ago, a comment was "proving" that the engines were found in the Pentagon, just in pieces because of the impact.

Now you are telling us that the engine can tumble 2000 feet after crashing to the ground at a 40º degree angle @ 850 feet per second.

Debunkers are as much coherent as Conspiracy Theorists. 9 years later, and the arguements are still interesting.

[vivalaryan54]

@bf2lover42 There are some questions raised about the lack of engines in the Pentagon but I'm guessing it was crushed when the outer ring collapsed, I'm not positive.

3.5 tons of metal traveling at 563mph has a tremendous amount of momentum because of the initial speed and the immense mass. The reason it didn't travel farther than 2000 feet (3.5 tons at 563mph with no resistance could potentially travel a little under a mile) was because of the 40 degree impact angle you mentioned.

[bf2lover42]

@vivalaryan54 but it is wierd that such a dense object would simply bouce off the ground. It would if both the ground and the engine had elastic prorieties, but the engine itself is made from parts with different masses and sizes, so I guess it would scatter - several hundreds of feet away the place it crashed.

But I don't think that the evidence shows a plane shot down. Even that TWA plane chopped in half is more consistent with missile damage (only with continuous-rod warheads, though)

[vivalaryan54]

@bf2lover42 more like ricocheted not really bounced. The ground would just deflect all that momentum not absorb it. Yes you are right there is no way UA93 was shot down if that was the case, debris would have been found along the flight path before the crash site. The debris was found downwind towards the southeast. And idk about TWA 800 i have no idea what happened with that I dont see a reason not to believe the official story of that

[vivalaryan54]

2000 feet is a relatively short distance for 6 tons of metal (engine) to fly after hitting the ground at around 500 miles an hour

[themoplainslife]

so let me get this straight....the government actually did shoot down this plane but is covering that up....why would they do that.....? I have heard many times before that those were the orders in place....u theorists are crazy crazy people....

[MrOllyK]

All you 911 bedwetters sitting in mummy's basement frustrated over not being chosen as an official 911 investigator because you somehow "know" magnitudes over the hundreds of scientists, investigators, firefighters and police, have had 9 years to unravel this "inside job" as you put it, and have failed dismally the entire time.

If this were a government conspiracy, we'd have known it long ago with actual evidence. Clinton couldn't even keep a blowjob secret. Get over it, and an education!

[Kyles45Angel]

US Air flight 427 had debris found 21/2 miles away

[Kyles45Angel]

American airlines flight 587 from the crash report: The aircraft's vertical stabilizer and rudder were found in Jamaica Bay, about a mile from the main wreckage site. The engines, which also separated from the aircraft seconds before ground impact, were found several blocks from the wreckage site.

[citizenfor911truth1]

Okay, pieces were found in Jamaica Bay. A body of water. Ofcourse it's going to move debris around. And as for the engines, you'll have to give me something more than just "a couple of blocks." How about actual distance?

[Kyles45Angel]

IT says a couple of blocks. It proves it's not odd debris can be found far distances in these types of crashes.

[Kyles45Angel]

Why do we have to go back and forth when the flight data recorder and the calls to the victims family members veirfies they tried to take back the plane? This is just obsurd to specualte a missle when physical evidence shows otherwise. There is also no motive for a lie about a missle attack when thats what they were supposed to do...shoot it down. They didnt have to because heros on board prevented it from hitting its target. I am 100% sure it was not shot down.

[citizenfor911truth1]

First of all, flight data recorders can be incorrect. Just look at the one from flight 77. And second, perhaps that's why they shot the plane down. If the passengers were going to take back the plane and discover the true plot, of course they would have shot down the plane. And of course the simple reason for lying about it would obviously be that they wouldn't want people to know they had shot down a plane that was possibly in the control of the passengers, right?

[Kyles45Angel]

This post is pure speculation on your part They have a cock pit voice recorder that verifies what they did. Some of them called family and friends, and the family members were even interviewed in some cases. Irrefutable evidence they tried to take back the plane. Military experts also verified it was consistant with a shoot down.

[citizenfor911truth1]

Look, you can keep constantly saying "it's speculation" or "that's your opinion" but the fact remains is that YOU are the one who is just stating things without sources. You always state your beliefs from your experts, but you ALWAYS ignore any of the sources and eyewitnesses that I present in my videos. You act like they don't exist. The actual recording of the CVR hasn't been released and I present in my video military men who know what a missle sounds like. Did you go to the site I sent you?

[Kyles45Angel]

I say it's specualation because it IS. You haven't refuted the calls form the passengers telling family members aboutt aking back the plane and you havent refuted the transcript used in a court of law to convict Zaracrias Moussaui. It has audio of them storming the cockpit up until it crashes.

[citizenfor911truth1]

Have you actually heard the audio from the recorder? Again, you ignore the points I brought up in my previous post. Do none of the witnesses I provided matter? I know the calls from the plane are important. There was one call from a man who claimed he heard an explosion on the plane, but his testimony doesn't matter, right?

[Kyles45Angel]

I did hear the audio and read the transcripts and the cell phone call audios. I looked at all that was available to the public.. You can hear them trying to storm the cock pit. I didnt ignore anything you said. I like to look at the things we know and not over crowd them with other speculation. There is no motive for lying about shooting down a plane when thats what they were supposed to do. It doesnt make sense.

[citizenfor911truth1]

There is no way you could possibly have heard the recording or the phone calls. Those were not released to the public. Only the victims' family members were allowed to listen to the recording. The only phone call audio that has been released is Betty Ong's call. I don't mind having a debate, but I do mind if you're going to start lying. If you really did hear the audio, please tell me where I can hear it. I'd love to listen.

[Kyles45Angel]

Yes there is a way. The family members released them to the public. If you want to hear them google it. It's a PITA posting links here. I didn't say ALL of them are available. I could sit here and post all of them but your still going to believe a missle hit the plane anyway. There is no point in it.

[Kyles45Angel]

By road Indian Lake is 6 miles. The reality its only about a mile form the site and the wind was blowing in the direction of the lake. No big debris found only small pieces. This is verified by eyewitnesses. This has been debunked years ago. Unbelieveable you still use this nonsense.

[citizenfor911truth1]

What about the debris found in New Baltimore? That is 8 miles from the crash site. IN A STRAIGHT LINE, NOT BY ROAD. Could wind blow debris for 8 miles?

[Kyles45Angel]

We have recordings that verify what happened to flight 93. We have the family members who also verify the phone conversations. We also know a missle hit wouldnt leave wreckage big enough to make the crater flight 93 did, and the speed to make the crator. We do know the crator is consistant with a crash of a plane traveling at the speed of a bullet nose first. These things we do know. To date no evidence of a missle. Military experts verified that as well.

[citizenfor911truth1]

Well that's great, but unfortunatly you didn't address what I actually typed in my other comment.

[Kyles45Angel]

I didnt address it because there is no point. Youre making an assumption based on opinion. The debris field is not consistant with a missle hit. The hole is not consistant with a missle hit. Military officials have verified this.