aytos papas einai i deksi heri tou Papademos i tou diavolou stin ekslisia den milame gia politiki milame mono gia ton teo agapi kai ola ta orea enas papas prepi na to lei ayto pou mas to elege o teos o teos ta vlepi ola kai oli pou kanoun kako tha pane sti kolasi
Viva la MAKEDONIA 4 all Makedonians but never 4 facist greeks
Too fast, Sounds like a culmination used to talk about "free flowing wine and ouzo well into the night Easter is not for debauchery but for Christs resurrection and renewal of mans sinfull nature not an orgie after all of Easters Holy days "the Holy Light used for holy Saturday is taken from "the holy sepulcher of Christs burial not his birth place, where did this girl come from???:-(((
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@ProzaK74Δεν είμαι σατανιστής είμαι άθεος!!!! Και τι σχέση έχει η θρησκεία σου ρε φανατικό προβατάκι με την Ελλάδα? Οι χριστιανοί ήταν οι πρώτοι που ρήμαξαν τον πολιτισμό μας! Μη μου μιλάς για μασόνους όταν είσαι ακόλουθος μιας εβραϊκής και ΣΙΟΝΙΣΤΙΚΗΣ θρησκείας! κάνε copy-paste κάνα δυο βιντεακια που ίσως να σε βοηθήσουν να καταλάβεις την γνώμη μου. «Cultural Genocide of the Hellenes/Hellenic Polytheists by Christianity 1/2» , «Parthenon by Costa-Gavras» , «Να χαίρεστε τον πατριάρχη σας.....»
It's one of the most fun holidays in the holy Orthodox Christianity! I've always had a lot of fun and, I always felt close to our Saviour Jesus Christ Blessed be his Name!
So disappointing ! The speaker seems to think she is in a race and what otherwise could have been very interesting and instructive is destroyed by her gabble as well as the pointless background musak. If the young lady could please re-do this at a much slower pace, also bearing in mind that there may be non-American and even non-English listeners, who will find it extremely difficult to listen to and understand at her present break neck speed this would be wonderful.
@gbilios You can't seriously believe that this is a comprehensive presentation of Pascha as celebrated by the Orthodox. It is the most holy celebration of the Orthodox Church. This clip simply focuses on the celebration AROUND the true feast.
@gbilios As for the remark about "stuffing yourselves with food"...Pascha marks the end of a lengthy and stringent fasting period. Feasting after fasting is completely appropriate. Pascha is a joyful celebration..so we joyfully celebrate.
@gbilios I am Ukrainian Eastern (Greek) Orthodox. I don't read Greek. We also have specific cultural customs, but they don't override the religious content...
@gbilio In case you didn't understand, for a week or so we don't eat meat,poultry etc (watch the video again) but then we celebrate his resurrection.Those who are more religious though do not celebrate(and by celebrate I mean party)but stay in Churches till 4 in the morning etc.Also, we Greeks (Orthodox in general) believe a lot in Christ and say for example "Jesus Christ Wins" (it's an orthodox "motto"). The Church sometimes critises some fests and most times they are right to do so I would say
@gbilios according to the priests, maybe, but when you say greek and you refer to religion, you are talking about the ancient worshippers. They are greek in every sense
is this a joke? Next, I was waiting for Rebecca (from Sunny Brook farms) to tell us all Hellenes that then the Druids pop out from giant boulders and hand out pop-rock candy to all little good boys and girls, followed with a bunch of Buddhist monks ridding on pink elephants chanting out "MOLON LAVE!" Look! Orthodoxy is CHRISTIAN and is the true original ... you know what?! This vid has to be sponsored and backed by the Catholic church!!!
Greek, Roman, Turk, Ottoman, Philation what does nationality have to do with the message of Christianity? Wasn't Christ a Jew? I think we should all be better served working together spreading the message and hope of whom we believe than dividing and segmenting Christ> By the way, this was his last prayer to the father, that "they don't fight amoungst each other". Keeping segmentation is not following Christ's wishes since all churches believe they are the "True Church".
Lol. I didn't know that there was fire at the site of the nativity either...really lady, keep your day job and stop burdening us with your childish tourist vids. As if you even know the cultures and religions you attempt to talk about. P.S. The dome of the rock is NOT an orthodox church. So why did you show it when mentioning the church of the nativity?
Orthodox Easter and "Christian" Easter? Lmao. First of all you ignorant liberal American, we refer to our celebration as Pascha. Secondly, ours is the first and only true Christian faith. Stop making stupid tourist videos to give yourself face time and actually check your facts.
@AngerIsInMyBlood Blessed are they that hear the word of god and keep it. Your comments of judgement and contempt are hardly keeping the word of god. Take a hard look at yourself and get to confession your comments tarnish your spirit. Peace be With You !
This is a rather glossed over summary of Greek Easter. Also, I love how the Gregorian calendar is considered the "Traditional calendar." It's actually the complete opposite.
Slip of the tongue, more likely, mh ths thymwneis. The Gregorian easter is celebrated by all other Christian Churches, and besides, she does mention Greek Easter Celebrates Christ.
Orthodox Easter isn't just for Greeks, but all Orthodox Christians. There are Russians, Georgians, Americans, even people in South America and Asia that are Orthodox.
The greek-orthodox church is dogmatically the christian catholic apostolic church of the first 7 centuries. It has no communion at all with the self called catholic western church;especially after the 7th century(filioque) For the orthodox christians the "papists" or roman catholics are not even christians. With "filioque" the pope splits the Holy Trinity and proclaims himself divinity.This is blasphemy. And please. Christ was born in Bethlehem.
@toroyuia both the roman catholic and the orthodox church have the apostolic succession. they both have the seven sacraments, the holy liturgy, the same faith. both venerate the theotokos or the Ever Virgin Mary and both will be One Spouse of Christ one time
@toroyuia maybe but i prefer to put my attention on the multiple coincidence both churches share rather than waiting my time on fighting over the differences. One Eternal Church with two lungs! Roman Catholic and Greek Orthodox, i love you both!
The christian greek-orthodox church is dogmatically the catholic apostolic church of the first 7 centuries with a direct apostolic succession. It has nothing to do with papacy. The west started almost from the beginning of christianity a the slow rising of papism especially after "filioque". With "filioque" the pope splits the Holy Trinity by proclaiming himself "divinity". This is blasphemy. Western pope cult and neo-paganism started since then. And please. Christ was born in Bethlehem.
Wow, she really didn't know what she was talking about.
First of all: Orthodoxy is Christianity! She's almost saying that Orthodox people aren't Christian people.
Second: Nativity cave in Jerusalem?? Pascha is not about Nativity, but Resurrection of Christ, and the Church of the Nativity is in Bethlehem.. And why do they show a picture of the Dome of the Rock in stead of the Church of the Holy Sepulcher??
Orthodox are Christians. It says that Orthodox Easter and Christian Easter rarely occur on the same day. ? Do these people know what they are saying or implying here?
and Christ's Nativity spot in Jerusalem? The Holy Fire comes from the Burial Chamber within the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem. Christ was born in time in the village of Bethlehem. And of course it should be "Western Christian Easter and Orthodox Easter dates" when contrasting when they are celebrated, Gregorian versus Julian calendars.
@DopoNotte You're right. I think she goofed. She probably meant the flame in Christ's tomb in the church of the Holy Sepulchre. That's where the orthodox go to light their candles on Easter.
Conclusion? This video contains too many erroneous facts to be considered anything but unreliable and unauthoritative - when it comes to explaining Greek Orthodox Paschal traditions. Although I'm sure the motivation for producing this was a good one, the producers should have taken the time to consult with an Orthodox priest before putting this up on YouTube.
First of all, it's not called "Easter." It's called Pascha. And then the narrator refers to "Greek Orthodox Easter" and "Christian Easter." This would seem to imply that Greek Orthodox are not Christian! Then the narrator says that Holy Week begins on Holy Thursday. This is totally erroneous! Holy Week in the Greek Orthodox Church is a EIGHT DAY period that begins the Saturday of Lazaros -- which is the day BEFORE Palm Sunday. EIGHTEEN distinct services are celebrated during this period.
in 22nd second she talks about the Orthodox and the Christian Easter. A faulty phrase... Maybe instead of Christian she should call it Catholic. Orthodox=Christian
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There is a great audio there for you to listen to. You will come away asking many questions.
I challenge all the Christians in the entire planet -layman and church leaders alike- to pray God that the volcanic eruption I stated below would not happen:
"Before this year will be over, 2 volcanic eruptions will shake the United States of America. The name of these volcanoes had something to do with faith."
If despite of your prayer these faithful volcanoes had erupted, then, know and understand that God is with me, therefore you are under obligation to listen to me
2- to a pagan the Ostara-Easter egg signifies the rebirth of life in the spring! to make conversion easier, missionaries simply included the birth of Jesus with the birth of spring! and changed the dates a bit. thats cool, because the big J was cool!
wow! we have 3 Easters!.....#1-original Pagan Ostara, #2- Orthodox Christianized Ostara=Easter. and #3- Catholic-Protestant Christinized Ostara=Easter!...............this means i can scoop three times the chocolate Ostar-Easter eggs!! :D
Easter is my favourite time of the year, I love going to Church at this time, its just so vibrant and interesting! im counting down the days till easter 2010 XRISTOS ANESTI hehehe
Copts recognise only four out of the seven Ecumenical Councils. I don't know whether Copts are Monophysitic or not, but they are definitely Miaphysitic (by their own admission) which comes pretty close. That is why there cannot be inter-Communion between Copts and other Orthodox, because there are serious Canonical issues involved here.
The teachings of Severus were not condemned. There were major qualifiers within the anathemas of the Council of Manazikert, indicating that they were condemning what the Armenians perceived to be the teachings of Severus, not what they actually were. In fact, the anathemas are less critical of Severianism than they were the teachings of the Armenian church. I have them and can post them if you would like?
P.S. the Syrians do not anathematize his theology. I still can't find this council you are pointing to. Depending on your source, as far as the Syrians are concerned, they may have never even thought they are disagreeing with St. Severus.
In other words, your source may be misinterpreting St. Severus in a wrong way, and then thinking that the Syrians disagree with him, while, in reality, they don't.
Without finding what you are referring to, I have no idea. PM me if you have more info.
As long as you are selective about the sources of your information, you'll get a bunch of selective facts, which are then exaggerated to fit whatever your source wants. Read an OO source on Chalcedon, you'll learn things your sources would never point out to you.
You started out telling me Severus is a heretic in the Syrian Orthodox Church. That is just wrong. I even pointed out his feast day in that Church. That's what happens when you don't look up your information.
You are right about Severus- he is still revered by the Syrians, but they anathematize his theology. So what does it matter? The Armenian church considers him a heretic flat out. If you want to bring in personal attacks, I'm really not interested in continuing the discussion. I'll just say that it's plain that you consider Chalcedon heretical and invalid, and therefore you can't pretend we share the same faith. The Church will never accept into her fold those who consider St. Leo a heretic.
The Coptic Church is ready to lift its anathemas against Leo and everyone else, the Holy Synod has passed a resolution to that effect, the one condition is that the EO do the same for Severus and others.
I consider Chalcedon unnecessary more than any thing else. If both traditions are valid (the whole point of the dialogue), and our tradition doesn't need Chalcedon, why require accepting it?
I apologize if you got offended, that wasn't the point, I can just sense your facts are one-sided.
Why didn't you paste the sentence that comes right after the one you copied and pasted?
"What the Divine nature Chooses is undoubtedly the same as that chosen
by the human nature because there is not any contradiction or conflict whatever
between the will and the action of both."
That is what he means by one will, that there's never a conflict between His divinity and humanity, in the context of acting. He'll never do an act that His divinity or humanity doesn't agree with.
The simple conclusion which you cannot deny: a man with extremely heretical writings was condemned by a Counciln in 449, re-communicated in 451, then condemned in 553, based on the SAME writings he was condemned for in 449.
If his writings warranted his excommunication, what were they doing at Chalcedon?
Basically, non-Chalcedonians think Chalcedon shouldn't have ever happened, a confused council from start to beginning. Read "The Council of Chalcedon Re-Examined."
Once again, at no place at the Council of Chalcedon were his writings approved. You are making a mountain out of a mole-hill- the restoration of Theodoret was a very small part of the Council and had no impact on the dogmatic formulation of Chalcedon which definitively rules out Nestorian interpretation.
Actually, it is you who doesn't seem to know much about Chalcedon. Drawing up a new formula for the faith was an after-thought, pushed down the throat of the East by the emperor's folks at the council with the instigation of Leo's legates.
The main reason of the council was to look into the acts of 449 - mainly, nullifying the condemnation of Eutyches, and condeming Theodoret and Ibas. Anatolious himself had to point out that Dioscorus wasn't condemned for his faith, but for his actions.
my history on the early christian councils is hazy but wasnt the council of Chalcedon the finle split between the Coptic or as the Greeks called them Monfosites (hey belive that Jesus was completely divine or one nature) and the Orthodox Cathloc church(the belivers of the creed of Nicea) (this was before the scisism)
You're generally accurate, with some language errors I have to point out. It was a Copt who formulated the Nicene Creed (St. Athanasius), so that doesn't make the Eastern Orthodox stand out from the Copts in any way.
Chalcedon was the official break, but the "break" wasn't as "clean" as it would seem. There were a lot of efforts at reconciliation and accomodation after Chalcedon, only after all this failed did Chalcedon really become the point of a break.
I don't know what a philohelen is. Lover of helen? Does helen stand for hellenistic culture? I'm not Greek myself, although there's a language similarity between my liturgical language and Greek. Coptic is demotic (child of pharaohnic langage) written in mostly Greek letters. A lot of our hymns are purely Greek though.
Keep in mind that many of the Church Fathers were "Greek Fathers," not because they were ethnically Greek, but because Greek was the intellectual language of their time.
What we care about is the faith of the EO. If the EO were to officially declare that Chalcedon is something other than what is written in the 1990 agreement, then we do not have the same faith. Until then, we are going to assume that the folks on the EO side that took part in the dialogue are competent and know what the EO faith is. We're talking about the Ecumenical Patriarch and many other able theologians signing this thing.
The Ecumenical Patriarch also refers to the Roman Catholics as our "Sister Church" and signed the Balamand agreement. He has also awarded several pro-abortion US politicians who happen to be Greek. He may be an "able theologian" but he is not a reliable one.
If the non-Chalcedonians continue to whisper behind our backs that our Church succumbed to Nestorianism at Chalcedon, the union were a sham.
Trust me, Metropolitan Bishoy is a student of Pope Shenouda's. He is also the co-president of the dialogue between the OO and EO, so reading what he thinks is paramount, and he would not teach something that Pope Shenouda thinks is wrong (they would come to an agreement).
Theodoret condemned Nestorius, but did not condemn his own writings, which existed during Chalcedon, and which he was excommunicated in 449 for. It was on the basis of these same writings that he was excommunicated.
It was not on the basis of those writings, however, that Theodoret was restored at Chalcedon.
You are right, Met. Bishoy does in fact affirm two distinct wills. In this, he is contradicting Shenouda, who says "Since the will is one, the act is necessarily one. Here we do not distinguish between the two natures."
The non-Chalcedonians do not say this, I do not know what gives you that idea. If some confused lay people think this, you shouldn't care much, I'm not going to lose sleep everytime some fool on Mount Athos calls me monophysite.
I've read the document you are talking about long ago (from Pope Shenouda), are you going to leave what he's saying officially and go by an extremely abbreviated document that was written for a general audience.
Ου καταισχύνω όπλα τα ιερά, ουδ' εγκαταλείψω τον παραστάτην ότω αν στοιχήσω αμυνώ δε και υπέρ ιερών και οσίων και μόνος και μετά πολλών, την πατρίδα δε ουκ ελάσσω παραδώσω, πλείω δε και αρείω όσης αν παραδέξωμαι.
First of all, all of lent prohibits dairy, fish, wine, oil and meat. Only if Annunciation falls during lent can wine and fish be eaten, and only on that day. Also, wine and vegetable oil are allowed on Sundays.
Jesus's Nativity Cave is in Bethlehem, not Jerusalem, and the Holy Flame comes from Christ's Tomb in Jersualem, and the fire does not come from there, because that flame only comes down on Easter every year.
Not only are Orthodox Christians, but Orthodoxy is the only valid Christianity, in other words, in the 1st century, when people at Antioch were calling the saints Christians, they were calling people who believed what we call Orthodoxy today Christians.
That's hooey. Orthodoxy is not either the only valid Christianity. Read in the Bible at all the preaching that went on in Acts and other books--you don't see all this snake charming chanting noise stuff coming out of it. Such babbling nonsense. But, at least, it's very decorative nonsense.
Is THAT what those are? Hymns? Okay then. I do love hymns. But I have to tell you, they don't sound very melodic. They sound like the guys in India where my dad is (who most certainly aren't singing hymns). Maybe it's a cultural thing.
Still, I take exception that Eastern Orthodox Christians are the only valid Christians.
Well, I'm not Eastern Orthodox, I'm Oriental Orthodox, so I take the same exception, but that is because since a 1990 agreement, there's no theological difference between the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox. If you are anything else, you are not part of the real Christianity.
It's simple: we are the original Church, with the original teachings, everything else is either a deviation (Catholicism) or an invention (Protestantism).
Yeah, well, most churches think that about themselves. I'm no ecumenical-movement supporter, but that far-fetched opinion is one that nearly all denominations (and world religions in general) believe about themselves. I still say hooey. I guess each church can tell God why THEY are his one-and-only church.
I still can't see what anyone would get out of this church service. The constant drone from the priest would grate on my nerves after awhile. The apostle Paul didn't do this stuff.
Except most churches can't trace what they do to the Apostles. St. Mark the Evangelist was killed by pagans in Egypt while praying at the altar in the 1st century. The current Pope of the Coptic Church is the 117th successor of St. Mark.
Lutherans have to go back to Luther, Calvinists go back to Calvin, Anglicans go back to Henry VIII, etc... I can sleep well at night knowing that I am dependent on St. Mark, not a terrified Catholic priest who needed to do away with the priesthood and hell.
Which book in the Bible did Jesus write? If you haven't noticed, all of the teachings you have about Jesus in the N.T. came from Apostles or disciples of Apostles. If they didn't even know how to pray to Him (wrong about what you want to call vain babbling), you should think twice before taking the N.T. as having any type of authority.
The letters from Clement of Rome will show you what things looked like in the 1st century, instead of relying on your own opinion about what's proper.
I suggest looking up an Orthodox Church in your area and going there, then decide how boring you get.
The apostle Paul did this stuff. What's more likely - cities all over the world finding themselves to have been taught the same priesthood functions by the apostles, or a massive Christian conspiracy to invent the priesthood?
There's a letter from Clement of Rome written in 98 AD about Church services, read that and tell me if your church looks anything like that.
Who needs letters from Clement of Rome? I have the book of Acts and don't see any sign of this (I almost said vain babbling, but to you it is not). However, I do think I'd be fascinated by a service of this type even though I'd get nothing out of it except allergies from the excessive incense. Can't they just speak a sermon and sing real melody?
Another thought though: Nowhere in the Bible does it command a particular or exact sort of service. Just needs to be in decency and in order.
Orthodox hymnody has a wide variety of styles. What may sound weird to you may sound very melodic to a Greek or Arab. If you want more western-style melodies, most Russian churches will cater to your tastes.
Not to derail the conversation, but the 1990 agreement didn't really do much. There continue to be people on both sides who believe that there are real differences. Having read some of the theological work of Pope Shenouda, I have to agree. Also, I honestly don't think the non-Chalcedonian churches are unified enough to speak of them as a single Church. For example, ask what the Copts think about Severus of Antioch... then ask the Armenians and Syrians.
The 1990 agreement did a lot. Many bishops and patriarchs from the EO churches signed it. The main group of people holding up unity on the EO side are the monks on Mount Athos. On the Coptic side, the Holy Synod ratified the agreement and lifted the anathemas, conditioned upon the same step being taken by the EO.
Clarify what you are saying about Severus of Antioch - who do you think says what? I disagree with you re the unity of the OO churches. Why do you say what you say?
The Monks on Mount Athos are far from alone. As for the Copts, they continue to maintain that Chalcedon was either a Nestorian council or that it had Nestorian tendencies. The only reason they believe we are Orthodox is that they believe we have since re-interpreted the council to mean something different. They still don't accept Chalcedon itself.
The Armenians and Syrians consider Severus a heretic. In fact, anathematizing him was one of the conditions of the union between the two churches.
The Copts accept the interpretation of Chalcedon as described in the 1990 agreement by the EO communion. Your own council of 553 re-interprets Chalcedon, since it went back to many of the decisions of the Council of 449, which were over-turned at Chalcedon two years later.
Your information is inaccurate. The Syrian Orthodox Church of ANTIOCH does not consider Severus of ANTIOCH a heretic. Do a simple Google search and you will find this. I have no idea what you are talking about.
The Syrian church did not anathematize Severus by name, because they had already been venerating him. They did however anathematize his theology of the "corruptible flesh", alongside the opposite heresy of Julianism, when they united with the Armenian church. The Armenian church still anathematizes Severus by name. I have been told this, in no uncertain terms, by several members of the Armenian church. Look up the Council of Manzikert.
That doesn't stop what you said from being a misstatement. Assuming your sources are correct (I do not know of such a thing), since when is disagreeing with someone about one of his teachings automatically mean he's a heretic? Does the EO consider St. Augustine to be a heretic? I think not.
Theodoret = condemned in 449. Chalcedon un-condemns him in 451. Constantinople II RE-condemns him for the SAME things he was condemned for in 449 in 553. Chalcedon and Constantinople = cancel out.
The shifting status of certain persons (Ibas, Theodoret) had nothing to do with an alteration of the dogmatic faith outlined in Chalcedon. At no point at the 553 council do the Fathers indicate that they are altering the doctrine of Chalcedon. As for Severus, there is a difference between disagreeing and condemning as heresy. The Armenian church does in fact condemn Severus personally, while the Syrian church condemns his doctrine as heresy. Again, search for information about Manzikert.
I searched for Manzikert, I can't find anything , except an obscure mention of the Armenian Church gaining some kind of independence from Eastern Orthodoxy.
Theodoret was condemned by Cyril (and then in 449), and his works were available for Chalcedon to review. A Council that is called to review another Council, that doesn't go through its minutes, is invalid on its face. Don't forget that Dioscorus was lynched (figuratively) because of accepting Eutyches after he professed his orthodoxy.
Theodoret, like Ibas, was restored at Chalcedon only on the condition that he anathematize Nestorius, which he did. If the 5th ecumenical council decided that his anathema was insincere, that does not "cancel out" the fundamental teaching of Chalcedon which was openly Cyrillian and anti-Nestorian. If you believe Chalcedon to be invalid, then all of our subsequent councils are invalid too, as they all affirm Chalcedon, in which case it cannot be seriously argued that we share the same faith.
The council of 553 upheld the genuine interpretation of Chalcedon and condemned the Nestorians' misinterpretation. All the Holy Fathers at Constantinople 553 accepted the Orthodoxy of Chalcedon at face value. The Copts do not- they still consider the council itself to have been heretical or badly compromised by heresy. There can be no real union so long as this attitude persists.
Another thing- just because the Chalcedonian creed can be interpreted in a way satisfactory to the non-Chalcedonians, does not mean that they are Orthodox. An issue that was never addressed at these consultations was the fact that the Armenian and Coptic churches officially approved of the heresy monoenergism in the pact of Union (630's) being pushed by Emperor Heraclius. Pope Shenouda's theological work "The Nature of Christ" is clearly monothelite.
If you want something even more specific, the Syrian Orthodox Church celebrates his feast on the Thursday after the Fast of Nineveh. The man is even called "togho dsuryoye "crown of the Syrians."
Are you confusing the Syrian Orthodox Church of Antioch with the Antiochian Orthodox Church (which is EO)?
Orthodox Easter and Western Easter aren't different, really. It's the same holiday, just on a different day than the other christian calanders. Actually, next year is one of the rare times when our Holy Pascha (Easter) is on the same day as the western christians. My mom told me that the western calander is actually more accurate with the actual date of Easter.
Our Pascha (Easter) falles on the first sunday after the first full moon after the spring equinox- I love saying that! Alot of times, people will call the week before Pascha Holy Week. The most important days of Holy week is Holy Unction on Wensday, Holy Thursday, Holy Friday, and Great and Holy Saturday!
Thats false. Its more accurate in everything else, but we actually have no idea when Easter was, just as we think Christmas actually happened in the spring, not winter. Scientifically speaking, the Gregorian Calander is more accurate, but Easter moves every year, so we have no idea when it actually happened.
Listen up you pathetically stupid, narrow-minded asstard.... i'm Greek as well as American, so put that in your pipe and smoke it! Every country is made up of atheists, agnostics, and religious believers. So what's your point?
Ps 136:5 To him that by wisdom made the heavens: for his mercy endureth for ever.
wisdom means:tâbûn
taw-boon
The second and third forms being feminine; from intelligence; by implication an argument; by extension caprice: - discretion, reason, skilfulness, understanding, wisdom.
Hi, cypriot1965, I don't really understand your question...are you asking me wether I think that religions influence their faith too much or not enough? When I say that I don't influence my beliefs on others, I mean that I don't try to convert someone else to my religion. I accept others and their beliefs because I want them to do the same of me. I'm tired of people telling me that I am wrong when they have no business to tell me what to believe in in the first place.
sophiegromit, if you want to talk about reason, then the ONLY realistic perception is the one of an atheist, and not of the agnostic. Being an agnostic indicates unawareness and ignorance. Even so, you try to persuade people that what they believe are wrong, which you claim you don't know yourself as an agnostic. Last, in terms of psychology, you're projecting your thoughts and feeling into others, which indicates low understanding of the human mind, relations and freedom of thought and speech.
You are dead wrong 'LosFrog'! The Agnostic viewpoint is one of a realist. The fact is that humans have no proof of, or against, the past or present existence of a 'superior being', thus the logical, realistic assessment of Agnosticism. We just don't no, and probably never will with our limited senses and knowledge. It is, in fact, the most clearcut, honest, and logical stance on the age old question. I am merely pointing this out to those that falsely think they know a 'god' exists.
You're applying logic, understanding and knowledge to something to God - who you have no understanding of. Our logic, understanding and knowledge cannot then be used, to come to some sort of personal conclusion.
Therefore, the only thing we have - is history/material regarding this subject. Hence - the religions.
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aytos papas einai i deksi heri tou Papademos i tou diavolou stin ekslisia den milame gia politiki milame mono gia ton teo agapi kai ola ta orea enas papas prepi na to lei ayto pou mas to elege o teos o teos ta vlepi ola kai oli pou kanoun kako tha pane sti kolasi
Viva la MAKEDONIA 4 all Makedonians but never 4 facist greeks
Devoj4E 5 days ago
Too fast, Sounds like a culmination used to talk about "free flowing wine and ouzo well into the night Easter is not for debauchery but for Christs resurrection and renewal of mans sinfull nature not an orgie after all of Easters Holy days "the Holy Light used for holy Saturday is taken from "the holy sepulcher of Christs burial not his birth place, where did this girl come from???:-(((
Yopetewattsup 2 weeks ago
Orthodoxy IS Christianity.
TheAntiochus 1 month ago
Why does she differentiate between Orthodox, and Christians, does she not consider Orthodox believers to be Christian?
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christorthodox 3 months ago
Οι χριτιανοι ηταν οι πρωτοι που ρημαξαν τον πολιτισμο μας;;;
Ακους τι λες;
Αν ξερεις,οι παπαδες την περιοδο της τουρκοκρατιας διδασκαν αρχαια Ελληνικη Γραμματεια.
Και εξ'αιτιας του Βυζαντιου μας σωζονται τοσα βιβλια αρχαιων φιλοσοφων και ιστοριογραφων...
Και οσον αφορα τα βιντεο...το πρωτο που μου αναφερεις:α)Σκεφτηκες ποτε οτι ακομη και σημερα γινονται εκδιωξεις χριστιανων;
β)Αν η θρησκεια μας ειναι σιωνιστικη οπως λες,γιατι οι εβραιοι δε χωνευουν τους χριστιανους;
Μη τρως την προπαγανδα τους
ProzaK74 4 months ago
fuck cristianity! its what fucked up greece to begin with
ShaNagmaImmuru 5 months ago
@ShaNagmaImmuru Τι λες ρε σατανιστη...
Αμα ήξερες τι βρίζεις θα τράβαγες τα μαλλιά σου...
Οι σατανομασωνοι σα και του λογου σου κατεστρεψαν την Ελλαδα...
Παρε χαμπάρι τι λες πριν να είναι αργά...
ΙCΧΡΝΙΚΑ
ProzaK74 4 months ago
@ProzaK74Δεν είμαι σατανιστής είμαι άθεος!!!! Και τι σχέση έχει η θρησκεία σου ρε φανατικό προβατάκι με την Ελλάδα? Οι χριστιανοί ήταν οι πρώτοι που ρήμαξαν τον πολιτισμό μας! Μη μου μιλάς για μασόνους όταν είσαι ακόλουθος μιας εβραϊκής και ΣΙΟΝΙΣΤΙΚΗΣ θρησκείας! κάνε copy-paste κάνα δυο βιντεακια που ίσως να σε βοηθήσουν να καταλάβεις την γνώμη μου. «Cultural Genocide of the Hellenes/Hellenic Polytheists by Christianity 1/2» , «Parthenon by Costa-Gavras» , «Να χαίρεστε τον πατριάρχη σας.....»
ShaNagmaImmuru 4 months ago
It's one of the most fun holidays in the holy Orthodox Christianity! I've always had a lot of fun and, I always felt close to our Saviour Jesus Christ Blessed be his Name!
SC2larry 7 months ago
So disappointing ! The speaker seems to think she is in a race and what otherwise could have been very interesting and instructive is destroyed by her gabble as well as the pointless background musak. If the young lady could please re-do this at a much slower pace, also bearing in mind that there may be non-American and even non-English listeners, who will find it extremely difficult to listen to and understand at her present break neck speed this would be wonderful.
alanmeirion 9 months ago
I like the Greek Orthodox Easter. Looks yummy!
StormTrek 9 months ago
you greeks stufff you selves with food rather recognising the true meaning of christs death and sacrifice..where is jesus memorial?
gbilios 9 months ago
@gbilios You can't seriously believe that this is a comprehensive presentation of Pascha as celebrated by the Orthodox. It is the most holy celebration of the Orthodox Church. This clip simply focuses on the celebration AROUND the true feast.
ukerkater 9 months ago
@gbilios As for the remark about "stuffing yourselves with food"...Pascha marks the end of a lengthy and stringent fasting period. Feasting after fasting is completely appropriate. Pascha is a joyful celebration..so we joyfully celebrate.
ukerkater 9 months ago
@ukerkater Δε μπορούσες να απαντήσεις καλύτερα!
terina32 9 months ago
@gbilios I am Ukrainian Eastern (Greek) Orthodox. I don't read Greek. We also have specific cultural customs, but they don't override the religious content...
ukerkater 9 months ago
@gbilio In case you didn't understand, for a week or so we don't eat meat,poultry etc (watch the video again) but then we celebrate his resurrection.Those who are more religious though do not celebrate(and by celebrate I mean party)but stay in Churches till 4 in the morning etc.Also, we Greeks (Orthodox in general) believe a lot in Christ and say for example "Jesus Christ Wins" (it's an orthodox "motto"). The Church sometimes critises some fests and most times they are right to do so I would say
Marinemauro 9 months ago
@Marinemauro that is not what we see at the orthodox churches..idolatry is a sin..not orthodox means not greek in greek..
gbilios 9 months ago
@gbilios not true. Orthodox means non greek, in terms of religion.
mygdoniatis 9 months ago
according to the Greeks you are non greek if you are non orthodox..
gbilios 9 months ago
@gbilios according to the priests, maybe, but when you say greek and you refer to religion, you are talking about the ancient worshippers. They are greek in every sense
mygdoniatis 9 months ago
@gbilios ortho(s)=true(as in orthopedic).dox=doctrine, teaching.simple
beastclaw33 7 months ago 4
is this a joke? Next, I was waiting for Rebecca (from Sunny Brook farms) to tell us all Hellenes that then the Druids pop out from giant boulders and hand out pop-rock candy to all little good boys and girls, followed with a bunch of Buddhist monks ridding on pink elephants chanting out "MOLON LAVE!" Look! Orthodoxy is CHRISTIAN and is the true original ... you know what?! This vid has to be sponsored and backed by the Catholic church!!!
jahellaspartan 9 months ago
WOW,SHE IS GREAT,,,SAID SO MANY GOOD RIGHT THINGS ABOUT GREEK EASTER IN A SHORT TIME,,,HAPPY EASTER,,KALO PASXA
jeetfromusa 9 months ago
Greek, Roman, Turk, Ottoman, Philation what does nationality have to do with the message of Christianity? Wasn't Christ a Jew? I think we should all be better served working together spreading the message and hope of whom we believe than dividing and segmenting Christ> By the way, this was his last prayer to the father, that "they don't fight amoungst each other". Keeping segmentation is not following Christ's wishes since all churches believe they are the "True Church".
5inthehole 10 months ago
Lol. I didn't know that there was fire at the site of the nativity either...really lady, keep your day job and stop burdening us with your childish tourist vids. As if you even know the cultures and religions you attempt to talk about. P.S. The dome of the rock is NOT an orthodox church. So why did you show it when mentioning the church of the nativity?
AngerIsInMyBlood 10 months ago
@AngerIsInMyBlood Ye without sin cast the first stone. Peace be With You
c00per69 10 months ago
@c00per69
Likewise buddy.
AngerIsInMyBlood 10 months ago
Orthodox Easter and "Christian" Easter? Lmao. First of all you ignorant liberal American, we refer to our celebration as Pascha. Secondly, ours is the first and only true Christian faith. Stop making stupid tourist videos to give yourself face time and actually check your facts.
AngerIsInMyBlood 10 months ago
@AngerIsInMyBlood Blessed are they that hear the word of god and keep it. Your comments of judgement and contempt are hardly keeping the word of god. Take a hard look at yourself and get to confession your comments tarnish your spirit. Peace be With You !
c00per69 10 months ago
@c00per69
And I suppose your "advice" COULDN'T be perceived as "arrogant" and "judgmental"?
AngerIsInMyBlood 10 months ago
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I really like her speaking style. May God bless us all!
HumbleThyself230 11 months ago
Which ignorant wrote the script... Orthodox is Christian..
franzsapka 1 year ago
This is a rather glossed over summary of Greek Easter. Also, I love how the Gregorian calendar is considered the "Traditional calendar." It's actually the complete opposite.
CSpanAddict1982 1 year ago
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Orthodox is NOT Christian ! Christianity IS ORTHODOXY, in the first place !
CrazyAxelStyle 1 year ago
Orthodox is Christian!
dredverone 1 year ago 6
jolly affair???? Mmmm... i guess that's taken from a Greek phrase. loooool!!!
jahellaspartan 1 year ago
Orthodox Easter and Christian Easter!!!!!
Fantastic ignorance!
One of the Greek holidays hey? Oh dear oh dear oh dear!
phelonion 1 year ago 2
@phelonion
Slip of the tongue, more likely, mh ths thymwneis. The Gregorian easter is celebrated by all other Christian Churches, and besides, she does mention Greek Easter Celebrates Christ.
CaballeroCatalan 1 year ago
@CaballeroCatalan Not quite. A number of Catholics still follow the Julian calendar. It isn't unique to Orthodoxy.
readermichael 1 year ago
Orthodox Easter and Christian Easter!!!!!
Fantastic ignorance!
phelonion 1 year ago 2
That's pretty neat
onelady4 1 year ago
It is called Pascha, folks. We all call it Pascha.
seachelle76 1 year ago 4
Orthodox Easter isn't just for Greeks, but all Orthodox Christians. There are Russians, Georgians, Americans, even people in South America and Asia that are Orthodox.
5692Nate21 1 year ago 4
@5692Nate21 yeah...but it is too special for us....
shitbomp 1 year ago
@5692Nate21 very true, I am greek but am proud to be part of the Orthodox Church, which isnt limited to greeks only
GreggerFilms 1 year ago 9
@5692Nate21 yh but you call it greek easter
cyprussunizhot 1 year ago
The greek-orthodox church is dogmatically the christian catholic apostolic church of the first 7 centuries. It has no communion at all with the self called catholic western church;especially after the 7th century(filioque) For the orthodox christians the "papists" or roman catholics are not even christians. With "filioque" the pope splits the Holy Trinity and proclaims himself divinity.This is blasphemy. And please. Christ was born in Bethlehem.
toroyuia 1 year ago 3
@toroyuia both the roman catholic and the orthodox church have the apostolic succession. they both have the seven sacraments, the holy liturgy, the same faith. both venerate the theotokos or the Ever Virgin Mary and both will be One Spouse of Christ one time
gerpis 1 year ago
@gerpis Your knowledge is insufficient .
toroyuia 1 year ago
@toroyuia maybe but i prefer to put my attention on the multiple coincidence both churches share rather than waiting my time on fighting over the differences. One Eternal Church with two lungs! Roman Catholic and Greek Orthodox, i love you both!
gerpis 1 year ago
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The christian greek-orthodox church is dogmatically the catholic apostolic church of the first 7 centuries with a direct apostolic succession. It has nothing to do with papacy. The west started almost from the beginning of christianity a the slow rising of papism especially after "filioque". With "filioque" the pope splits the Holy Trinity by proclaiming himself "divinity". This is blasphemy. Western pope cult and neo-paganism started since then. And please. Christ was born in Bethlehem.
toroyuia 1 year ago
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toroyuia 1 year ago
a Pascha, how do I love thee, let me count the ways...
tmh726 1 year ago
Wow, she really didn't know what she was talking about.
First of all: Orthodoxy is Christianity! She's almost saying that Orthodox people aren't Christian people.
Second: Nativity cave in Jerusalem?? Pascha is not about Nativity, but Resurrection of Christ, and the Church of the Nativity is in Bethlehem.. And why do they show a picture of the Dome of the Rock in stead of the Church of the Holy Sepulcher??
AMATEURISH!!!!
LEMelenios 1 year ago 3
Orthodox are Christians. It says that Orthodox Easter and Christian Easter rarely occur on the same day. ? Do these people know what they are saying or implying here?
adamopoulosdimitri 1 year ago
and Christ's Nativity spot in Jerusalem? The Holy Fire comes from the Burial Chamber within the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem. Christ was born in time in the village of Bethlehem. And of course it should be "Western Christian Easter and Orthodox Easter dates" when contrasting when they are celebrated, Gregorian versus Julian calendars.
burkardhanis 1 year ago
"That's why Orthodox Easter and Christian Easter rarely occur on the same day."
Gee, thanks. What, are we Orthodox some weird non-Christian neo-pagan group now? For the love of God...
funkystuf31 1 year ago 2
Jesus Nativity cave in Jerusalem?
And the picture shows the moslim Dome of the Rock?
What kind of shit is this?
AndreaSPitaim 1 year ago
1:12 "Jesus' Nativity cave in Jerusalem" ?? What Nativity cave? Jesus wasn't born in Jerusalem, He was born in Bethlehem.
DopoNotte 1 year ago
@DopoNotte You're right. I think she goofed. She probably meant the flame in Christ's tomb in the church of the Holy Sepulchre. That's where the orthodox go to light their candles on Easter.
agentjs09 1 year ago
ΟΡΘΟΔΟΞΙΑ Η΄ ΘΑΝΑΤΟΣ
irondimi 1 year ago
@irondimi I'm afraid extremism causes the opposite(εξτρεμισμος προκαλει το αντιθετο)
toroyuia 1 year ago
Christian Orthodox, is the only true faith!
MrTHEO321 1 year ago 4
Great video... but... s-l-o-w down a bit in your narration. :)
leushino2 1 year ago
May I suggest the term, "Western Easter" and "Eastern Easter"?
lararomulus 1 year ago
Conclusion? This video contains too many erroneous facts to be considered anything but unreliable and unauthoritative - when it comes to explaining Greek Orthodox Paschal traditions. Although I'm sure the motivation for producing this was a good one, the producers should have taken the time to consult with an Orthodox priest before putting this up on YouTube.
Presbyter3 1 year ago 2
First of all, it's not called "Easter." It's called Pascha. And then the narrator refers to "Greek Orthodox Easter" and "Christian Easter." This would seem to imply that Greek Orthodox are not Christian! Then the narrator says that Holy Week begins on Holy Thursday. This is totally erroneous! Holy Week in the Greek Orthodox Church is a EIGHT DAY period that begins the Saturday of Lazaros -- which is the day BEFORE Palm Sunday. EIGHTEEN distinct services are celebrated during this period.
Presbyter3 1 year ago 2
Lol. Orthodox Easter as-opposed to Christian Easter. They're both Christian.
peterlongan 1 year ago
in 22nd second she talks about the Orthodox and the Christian Easter. A faulty phrase... Maybe instead of Christian she should call it Catholic. Orthodox=Christian
45479079 1 year ago
5* video.Greetings from Greece!
NICKTHEDIG1989 1 year ago
5 * video.Greetings from Greece!
NICKTHEDIG1989 1 year ago
0:21 "That's why Orthodox Easter and Christian Easter rarely occurs on the same day".
Aaargh... It's Christian too, except it's Orthodox Christian.
qopha 1 year ago 4
It's not mass in orthodoxy. We call our service for Holy Saturday the Liturgy...
Alexwa13 1 year ago 2
shes fit
georgehaloboy 1 year ago
Easter is the most sacred and celebrated of all Orthodox.
chidude68 2 years ago 45
@chidude68 orthodox is idolatry..this religion is a parodying true chrystianity.
gbilios 9 months ago
Orthodox is Christian...
ethanhurst 2 years ago 62
@ethanhurst Indeed it is. I as well am Orthodox Christian.
HumbleThyself230 11 months ago
@ethanhurst no it isn't
ProjectGreyX 9 months ago
@ethanhurst orthodox is parody
gbilios 9 months ago
Christ is born! Glorify Him!
Sirchud68 2 years ago 3
i used to almost fall asleep in church, holding my candle.
not safe. :p
gookla00 2 years ago
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then stay home and go to hell you fucking bitch
chicagosfinest83 2 years ago
@chicagosfinest83 ..is that a reply to me? i was joking around.
gookla00 2 years ago
@gookla00
Ouch!
Jenfucius 1 year ago
thx a lot for this video
masteraggelos 2 years ago
this is to fast!
tartaros09 2 years ago 4
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conceil8 2 years ago
2- to a pagan the Ostara-Easter egg signifies the rebirth of life in the spring! to make conversion easier, missionaries simply included the birth of Jesus with the birth of spring! and changed the dates a bit. thats cool, because the big J was cool!
acerb45666555 2 years ago
wow! we have 3 Easters!.....#1-original Pagan Ostara, #2- Orthodox Christianized Ostara=Easter. and #3- Catholic-Protestant Christinized Ostara=Easter!...............this means i can scoop three times the chocolate Ostar-Easter eggs!! :D
acerb45666555 2 years ago
Easter is my favourite time of the year, I love going to Church at this time, its just so vibrant and interesting! im counting down the days till easter 2010 XRISTOS ANESTI hehehe
blackwhisk 2 years ago 5
Last year my I dropped my egg! I was so sad!
loverlei79 2 years ago 2
I am a follower of the Old Calendar (Julian) however, and I am very much on the same page with Copts when it comes to that.
mihankhah 2 years ago 2
Copts recognise only four out of the seven Ecumenical Councils. I don't know whether Copts are Monophysitic or not, but they are definitely Miaphysitic (by their own admission) which comes pretty close. That is why there cannot be inter-Communion between Copts and other Orthodox, because there are serious Canonical issues involved here.
mihankhah 2 years ago
The teachings of Severus were not condemned. There were major qualifiers within the anathemas of the Council of Manazikert, indicating that they were condemning what the Armenians perceived to be the teachings of Severus, not what they actually were. In fact, the anathemas are less critical of Severianism than they were the teachings of the Armenian church. I have them and can post them if you would like?
Rahula 2 years ago
P.S. the Syrians do not anathematize his theology. I still can't find this council you are pointing to. Depending on your source, as far as the Syrians are concerned, they may have never even thought they are disagreeing with St. Severus.
In other words, your source may be misinterpreting St. Severus in a wrong way, and then thinking that the Syrians disagree with him, while, in reality, they don't.
Without finding what you are referring to, I have no idea. PM me if you have more info.
OrthodoxApologist 2 years ago
As long as you are selective about the sources of your information, you'll get a bunch of selective facts, which are then exaggerated to fit whatever your source wants. Read an OO source on Chalcedon, you'll learn things your sources would never point out to you.
You started out telling me Severus is a heretic in the Syrian Orthodox Church. That is just wrong. I even pointed out his feast day in that Church. That's what happens when you don't look up your information.
OrthodoxApologist 2 years ago
You are right about Severus- he is still revered by the Syrians, but they anathematize his theology. So what does it matter? The Armenian church considers him a heretic flat out. If you want to bring in personal attacks, I'm really not interested in continuing the discussion. I'll just say that it's plain that you consider Chalcedon heretical and invalid, and therefore you can't pretend we share the same faith. The Church will never accept into her fold those who consider St. Leo a heretic.
avantibarbari 2 years ago
The Coptic Church is ready to lift its anathemas against Leo and everyone else, the Holy Synod has passed a resolution to that effect, the one condition is that the EO do the same for Severus and others.
I consider Chalcedon unnecessary more than any thing else. If both traditions are valid (the whole point of the dialogue), and our tradition doesn't need Chalcedon, why require accepting it?
I apologize if you got offended, that wasn't the point, I can just sense your facts are one-sided.
OrthodoxApologist 2 years ago 2
Why didn't you paste the sentence that comes right after the one you copied and pasted?
"What the Divine nature Chooses is undoubtedly the same as that chosen
by the human nature because there is not any contradiction or conflict whatever
between the will and the action of both."
That is what he means by one will, that there's never a conflict between His divinity and humanity, in the context of acting. He'll never do an act that His divinity or humanity doesn't agree with.
OrthodoxApologist 2 years ago 2
The simple conclusion which you cannot deny: a man with extremely heretical writings was condemned by a Counciln in 449, re-communicated in 451, then condemned in 553, based on the SAME writings he was condemned for in 449.
If his writings warranted his excommunication, what were they doing at Chalcedon?
Basically, non-Chalcedonians think Chalcedon shouldn't have ever happened, a confused council from start to beginning. Read "The Council of Chalcedon Re-Examined."
OrthodoxApologist 2 years ago 2
Once again, at no place at the Council of Chalcedon were his writings approved. You are making a mountain out of a mole-hill- the restoration of Theodoret was a very small part of the Council and had no impact on the dogmatic formulation of Chalcedon which definitively rules out Nestorian interpretation.
avantibarbari 2 years ago
Actually, it is you who doesn't seem to know much about Chalcedon. Drawing up a new formula for the faith was an after-thought, pushed down the throat of the East by the emperor's folks at the council with the instigation of Leo's legates.
The main reason of the council was to look into the acts of 449 - mainly, nullifying the condemnation of Eutyches, and condeming Theodoret and Ibas. Anatolious himself had to point out that Dioscorus wasn't condemned for his faith, but for his actions.
OrthodoxApologist 2 years ago 2
my history on the early christian councils is hazy but wasnt the council of Chalcedon the finle split between the Coptic or as the Greeks called them Monfosites (hey belive that Jesus was completely divine or one nature) and the Orthodox Cathloc church(the belivers of the creed of Nicea) (this was before the scisism)
tuskin4 2 years ago
You're generally accurate, with some language errors I have to point out. It was a Copt who formulated the Nicene Creed (St. Athanasius), so that doesn't make the Eastern Orthodox stand out from the Copts in any way.
Chalcedon was the official break, but the "break" wasn't as "clean" as it would seem. There were a lot of efforts at reconciliation and accomodation after Chalcedon, only after all this failed did Chalcedon really become the point of a break.
OrthodoxApologist 2 years ago 2
thanks for the info i may not be greek but i consider my self a philohelen (is that correct?)
tuskin4 2 years ago 3
I don't know what a philohelen is. Lover of helen? Does helen stand for hellenistic culture? I'm not Greek myself, although there's a language similarity between my liturgical language and Greek. Coptic is demotic (child of pharaohnic langage) written in mostly Greek letters. A lot of our hymns are purely Greek though.
Keep in mind that many of the Church Fathers were "Greek Fathers," not because they were ethnically Greek, but because Greek was the intellectual language of their time.
OrthodoxApologist 2 years ago 5
it means friend of greece i love greece im not greek helen does mean hellenistic culture
tuskin4 2 years ago 3
What we care about is the faith of the EO. If the EO were to officially declare that Chalcedon is something other than what is written in the 1990 agreement, then we do not have the same faith. Until then, we are going to assume that the folks on the EO side that took part in the dialogue are competent and know what the EO faith is. We're talking about the Ecumenical Patriarch and many other able theologians signing this thing.
OrthodoxApologist 2 years ago 2
The Ecumenical Patriarch also refers to the Roman Catholics as our "Sister Church" and signed the Balamand agreement. He has also awarded several pro-abortion US politicians who happen to be Greek. He may be an "able theologian" but he is not a reliable one.
If the non-Chalcedonians continue to whisper behind our backs that our Church succumbed to Nestorianism at Chalcedon, the union were a sham.
avantibarbari 2 years ago
Trust me, Metropolitan Bishoy is a student of Pope Shenouda's. He is also the co-president of the dialogue between the OO and EO, so reading what he thinks is paramount, and he would not teach something that Pope Shenouda thinks is wrong (they would come to an agreement).
Theodoret condemned Nestorius, but did not condemn his own writings, which existed during Chalcedon, and which he was excommunicated in 449 for. It was on the basis of these same writings that he was excommunicated.
OrthodoxApologist 2 years ago
It was not on the basis of those writings, however, that Theodoret was restored at Chalcedon.
You are right, Met. Bishoy does in fact affirm two distinct wills. In this, he is contradicting Shenouda, who says "Since the will is one, the act is necessarily one. Here we do not distinguish between the two natures."
avantibarbari 2 years ago
The non-Chalcedonians do not say this, I do not know what gives you that idea. If some confused lay people think this, you shouldn't care much, I'm not going to lose sleep everytime some fool on Mount Athos calls me monophysite.
I've read the document you are talking about long ago (from Pope Shenouda), are you going to leave what he's saying officially and go by an extremely abbreviated document that was written for a general audience.
OrthodoxApologist 2 years ago
Ου καταισχύνω όπλα τα ιερά, ουδ' εγκαταλείψω τον παραστάτην ότω αν στοιχήσω αμυνώ δε και υπέρ ιερών και οσίων και μόνος και μετά πολλών, την πατρίδα δε ουκ ελάσσω παραδώσω, πλείω δε και αρείω όσης αν παραδέξωμαι.
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JIMY45GR 2 years ago
40 days is 40 days not one week.
bbirocz540 2 years ago 3
many people can not keep going for 40 days, so even a week will do it.
scaleshchess 2 years ago
First of all, all of lent prohibits dairy, fish, wine, oil and meat. Only if Annunciation falls during lent can wine and fish be eaten, and only on that day. Also, wine and vegetable oil are allowed on Sundays.
Jesus's Nativity Cave is in Bethlehem, not Jerusalem, and the Holy Flame comes from Christ's Tomb in Jersualem, and the fire does not come from there, because that flame only comes down on Easter every year.
AGDIRGIA 2 years ago
Not only are Orthodox Christians, but Orthodoxy is the only valid Christianity, in other words, in the 1st century, when people at Antioch were calling the saints Christians, they were calling people who believed what we call Orthodoxy today Christians.
OrthodoxApologist 2 years ago 3
That's hooey. Orthodoxy is not either the only valid Christianity. Read in the Bible at all the preaching that went on in Acts and other books--you don't see all this snake charming chanting noise stuff coming out of it. Such babbling nonsense. But, at least, it's very decorative nonsense.
mundymanor 2 years ago
Acts 16:25
But at midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns to God, and the prisoners were listening to them.
If St. Paul and Silas found it alright to sing hymns to God, you'd be a fool to call yourself a Christian and have a problem with hymns.
Ephesians 5:19
speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord,
Colossians 3:16 - teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs
OrthodoxApologist 2 years ago
Is THAT what those are? Hymns? Okay then. I do love hymns. But I have to tell you, they don't sound very melodic. They sound like the guys in India where my dad is (who most certainly aren't singing hymns). Maybe it's a cultural thing.
Still, I take exception that Eastern Orthodox Christians are the only valid Christians.
mundymanor 2 years ago
Melodic enough for me.
Well, I'm not Eastern Orthodox, I'm Oriental Orthodox, so I take the same exception, but that is because since a 1990 agreement, there's no theological difference between the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox. If you are anything else, you are not part of the real Christianity.
It's simple: we are the original Church, with the original teachings, everything else is either a deviation (Catholicism) or an invention (Protestantism).
OrthodoxApologist 2 years ago
Yeah, well, most churches think that about themselves. I'm no ecumenical-movement supporter, but that far-fetched opinion is one that nearly all denominations (and world religions in general) believe about themselves. I still say hooey. I guess each church can tell God why THEY are his one-and-only church.
I still can't see what anyone would get out of this church service. The constant drone from the priest would grate on my nerves after awhile. The apostle Paul didn't do this stuff.
mundymanor 2 years ago
Except most churches can't trace what they do to the Apostles. St. Mark the Evangelist was killed by pagans in Egypt while praying at the altar in the 1st century. The current Pope of the Coptic Church is the 117th successor of St. Mark.
Lutherans have to go back to Luther, Calvinists go back to Calvin, Anglicans go back to Henry VIII, etc... I can sleep well at night knowing that I am dependent on St. Mark, not a terrified Catholic priest who needed to do away with the priesthood and hell.
OrthodoxApologist 2 years ago
I am not dependent on St. Mark. I am totally dependent on Jesus. Not Mary, not Peter, not Mark... JESUS. St. Mark didn't die for me.
mundymanor 2 years ago
Which book in the Bible did Jesus write? If you haven't noticed, all of the teachings you have about Jesus in the N.T. came from Apostles or disciples of Apostles. If they didn't even know how to pray to Him (wrong about what you want to call vain babbling), you should think twice before taking the N.T. as having any type of authority.
The letters from Clement of Rome will show you what things looked like in the 1st century, instead of relying on your own opinion about what's proper.
OrthodoxApologist 2 years ago
I suggest looking up an Orthodox Church in your area and going there, then decide how boring you get.
The apostle Paul did this stuff. What's more likely - cities all over the world finding themselves to have been taught the same priesthood functions by the apostles, or a massive Christian conspiracy to invent the priesthood?
There's a letter from Clement of Rome written in 98 AD about Church services, read that and tell me if your church looks anything like that.
OrthodoxApologist 2 years ago
Who needs letters from Clement of Rome? I have the book of Acts and don't see any sign of this (I almost said vain babbling, but to you it is not). However, I do think I'd be fascinated by a service of this type even though I'd get nothing out of it except allergies from the excessive incense. Can't they just speak a sermon and sing real melody?
Another thought though: Nowhere in the Bible does it command a particular or exact sort of service. Just needs to be in decency and in order.
mundymanor 2 years ago
Orthodox hymnody has a wide variety of styles. What may sound weird to you may sound very melodic to a Greek or Arab. If you want more western-style melodies, most Russian churches will cater to your tastes.
avantibarbari 2 years ago
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misterxeight 2 years ago
Not to derail the conversation, but the 1990 agreement didn't really do much. There continue to be people on both sides who believe that there are real differences. Having read some of the theological work of Pope Shenouda, I have to agree. Also, I honestly don't think the non-Chalcedonian churches are unified enough to speak of them as a single Church. For example, ask what the Copts think about Severus of Antioch... then ask the Armenians and Syrians.
avantibarbari 2 years ago
The 1990 agreement did a lot. Many bishops and patriarchs from the EO churches signed it. The main group of people holding up unity on the EO side are the monks on Mount Athos. On the Coptic side, the Holy Synod ratified the agreement and lifted the anathemas, conditioned upon the same step being taken by the EO.
Clarify what you are saying about Severus of Antioch - who do you think says what? I disagree with you re the unity of the OO churches. Why do you say what you say?
OrthodoxApologist 2 years ago
The Monks on Mount Athos are far from alone. As for the Copts, they continue to maintain that Chalcedon was either a Nestorian council or that it had Nestorian tendencies. The only reason they believe we are Orthodox is that they believe we have since re-interpreted the council to mean something different. They still don't accept Chalcedon itself.
The Armenians and Syrians consider Severus a heretic. In fact, anathematizing him was one of the conditions of the union between the two churches.
avantibarbari 2 years ago
The Copts accept the interpretation of Chalcedon as described in the 1990 agreement by the EO communion. Your own council of 553 re-interprets Chalcedon, since it went back to many of the decisions of the Council of 449, which were over-turned at Chalcedon two years later.
Your information is inaccurate. The Syrian Orthodox Church of ANTIOCH does not consider Severus of ANTIOCH a heretic. Do a simple Google search and you will find this. I have no idea what you are talking about.
OrthodoxApologist 2 years ago
The Syrian church did not anathematize Severus by name, because they had already been venerating him. They did however anathematize his theology of the "corruptible flesh", alongside the opposite heresy of Julianism, when they united with the Armenian church. The Armenian church still anathematizes Severus by name. I have been told this, in no uncertain terms, by several members of the Armenian church. Look up the Council of Manzikert.
avantibarbari 2 years ago
That doesn't stop what you said from being a misstatement. Assuming your sources are correct (I do not know of such a thing), since when is disagreeing with someone about one of his teachings automatically mean he's a heretic? Does the EO consider St. Augustine to be a heretic? I think not.
Theodoret = condemned in 449. Chalcedon un-condemns him in 451. Constantinople II RE-condemns him for the SAME things he was condemned for in 449 in 553. Chalcedon and Constantinople = cancel out.
OrthodoxApologist 2 years ago
The shifting status of certain persons (Ibas, Theodoret) had nothing to do with an alteration of the dogmatic faith outlined in Chalcedon. At no point at the 553 council do the Fathers indicate that they are altering the doctrine of Chalcedon. As for Severus, there is a difference between disagreeing and condemning as heresy. The Armenian church does in fact condemn Severus personally, while the Syrian church condemns his doctrine as heresy. Again, search for information about Manzikert.
avantibarbari 2 years ago
I searched for Manzikert, I can't find anything , except an obscure mention of the Armenian Church gaining some kind of independence from Eastern Orthodoxy.
Theodoret was condemned by Cyril (and then in 449), and his works were available for Chalcedon to review. A Council that is called to review another Council, that doesn't go through its minutes, is invalid on its face. Don't forget that Dioscorus was lynched (figuratively) because of accepting Eutyches after he professed his orthodoxy.
OrthodoxApologist 2 years ago
Consult Metropolitan Bishoy's website for an understanding of the OO view of Christ's will.
OrthodoxApologist 2 years ago
I suspect there is more than one "OO" view. Pope Shenouda's is one and I have not seen it rejected by any non-Chalcedonian source.
avantibarbari 2 years ago
Theodoret, like Ibas, was restored at Chalcedon only on the condition that he anathematize Nestorius, which he did. If the 5th ecumenical council decided that his anathema was insincere, that does not "cancel out" the fundamental teaching of Chalcedon which was openly Cyrillian and anti-Nestorian. If you believe Chalcedon to be invalid, then all of our subsequent councils are invalid too, as they all affirm Chalcedon, in which case it cannot be seriously argued that we share the same faith.
avantibarbari 2 years ago
The council of 553 upheld the genuine interpretation of Chalcedon and condemned the Nestorians' misinterpretation. All the Holy Fathers at Constantinople 553 accepted the Orthodoxy of Chalcedon at face value. The Copts do not- they still consider the council itself to have been heretical or badly compromised by heresy. There can be no real union so long as this attitude persists.
avantibarbari 2 years ago
Just read "Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox Consultation: Leo of Rome's Support of Theodoret,
Dioscorus of Alexandria's Support of Eutyches and the Lifting of the Anathemas" by Fr. John S. Romanides for a brief description.
OrthodoxApologist 2 years ago
Another thing- just because the Chalcedonian creed can be interpreted in a way satisfactory to the non-Chalcedonians, does not mean that they are Orthodox. An issue that was never addressed at these consultations was the fact that the Armenian and Coptic churches officially approved of the heresy monoenergism in the pact of Union (630's) being pushed by Emperor Heraclius. Pope Shenouda's theological work "The Nature of Christ" is clearly monothelite.
avantibarbari 2 years ago
I hope you're not getting your information from that website orthodoxinfo. That is one of the most deceptive websites I have ever come across.
OrthodoxApologist 2 years ago
If you want something even more specific, the Syrian Orthodox Church celebrates his feast on the Thursday after the Fast of Nineveh. The man is even called "togho dsuryoye "crown of the Syrians."
Are you confusing the Syrian Orthodox Church of Antioch with the Antiochian Orthodox Church (which is EO)?
OrthodoxApologist 2 years ago
Girl, Orthodox are CHRISTIANS! And this is a Catholic writing .... when is the ignorance going to stop!
alcg1979 2 years ago 2
Um orthodox IS Christian lol Andreas
aandrewhubbard 2 years ago
How does one arrive at the idea that Orthodox Easter and Christian Easter are different?
totalpwn327 2 years ago
Orthodox Easter and Western Easter aren't different, really. It's the same holiday, just on a different day than the other christian calanders. Actually, next year is one of the rare times when our Holy Pascha (Easter) is on the same day as the western christians. My mom told me that the western calander is actually more accurate with the actual date of Easter.
Alexwa13 2 years ago
Our Pascha (Easter) falles on the first sunday after the first full moon after the spring equinox- I love saying that! Alot of times, people will call the week before Pascha Holy Week. The most important days of Holy week is Holy Unction on Wensday, Holy Thursday, Holy Friday, and Great and Holy Saturday!
Alexwa13 2 years ago
Thats false. Its more accurate in everything else, but we actually have no idea when Easter was, just as we think Christmas actually happened in the spring, not winter. Scientifically speaking, the Gregorian Calander is more accurate, but Easter moves every year, so we have no idea when it actually happened.
AGDIRGIA 2 years ago
we really fast for 56 days...
weirdschool 2 years ago
How do you figure that? There are the 40 days, plus 7 for Holy Week, and plus 7 days without meat for the week before Lent begins. Thats 54.
AGDIRGIA 2 years ago
I cannot believe what she said from around the first 20-25 seconds.
misterxeight 2 years ago 2
haha Orthodox easter VS Christian easter, how dumb can you get ;D
Por0 2 years ago 6
Listen up you pathetically stupid, narrow-minded asstard.... i'm Greek as well as American, so put that in your pipe and smoke it! Every country is made up of atheists, agnostics, and religious believers. So what's your point?
sophiegromit 2 years ago
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fuck you albanian motherfucker.
PS fuck you gayreeks
dimaniak 2 years ago
Do u know what the US dollar says? "In God we trust"
Raxatlix 2 years ago
AND THE ONE HOW DENY GOD EXIST IS A FOOLISH MAN
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt
THE MEAN OF FOOL(נבל
nâbâl
naw-bawl'=stupid
maranathalord 2 years ago
Ps 136:5 To him that by wisdom made the heavens: for his mercy endureth for ever.
wisdom means:tâbûn
taw-boon
The second and third forms being feminine; from intelligence; by implication an argument; by extension caprice: - discretion, reason, skilfulness, understanding, wisdom.
maranathalord 2 years ago
Hi, cypriot1965, I don't really understand your question...are you asking me wether I think that religions influence their faith too much or not enough? When I say that I don't influence my beliefs on others, I mean that I don't try to convert someone else to my religion. I accept others and their beliefs because I want them to do the same of me. I'm tired of people telling me that I am wrong when they have no business to tell me what to believe in in the first place.
elena5268 2 years ago
nice eductaion video, the teacher looked good also 5stars for that
Hambidosvinet 2 years ago
sophiegromit, if you want to talk about reason, then the ONLY realistic perception is the one of an atheist, and not of the agnostic. Being an agnostic indicates unawareness and ignorance. Even so, you try to persuade people that what they believe are wrong, which you claim you don't know yourself as an agnostic. Last, in terms of psychology, you're projecting your thoughts and feeling into others, which indicates low understanding of the human mind, relations and freedom of thought and speech.
LosVatrahos 2 years ago
You are dead wrong 'LosFrog'! The Agnostic viewpoint is one of a realist. The fact is that humans have no proof of, or against, the past or present existence of a 'superior being', thus the logical, realistic assessment of Agnosticism. We just don't no, and probably never will with our limited senses and knowledge. It is, in fact, the most clearcut, honest, and logical stance on the age old question. I am merely pointing this out to those that falsely think they know a 'god' exists.
sophiegromit 2 years ago
Your argument is self defeating.
You're applying logic, understanding and knowledge to something to God - who you have no understanding of. Our logic, understanding and knowledge cannot then be used, to come to some sort of personal conclusion.
Therefore, the only thing we have - is history/material regarding this subject. Hence - the religions.
Nerhesi123 2 years ago