Thank you Harvey Milk for giving me hope when I was a teenager. I am now 48 and today I help to remind my family, nephews, nieces, friends that yes we can be ourselves that fear is death ...silence is death....and WE are FREE to Be Ourselves in Harmony!
Lisa Carpenito "Positive and Proud in Portland, Oregon"
I'm 30+, Indian, tortured in school coz of being gay, scared to death that people will find out about me! I watched 'Milk' today and u know what, I feel so much stronger now! The movie and 'Harvey Milk' has truly inspired me to come out one day and that day, thanks to him will come soon! RIP Harvey, I love you for what you did for all of us!! Thank you so much!!
@OsxinBraveheart well, he went to jail for a couple years, returned home to a failed career and ruined marriage and then killed himself two years later, and i think it's safe to say he died depressed, guilty and alone. i think that's a pretty horrible death, don't you?
Who cares who you have sex with; there are so many other beautiful things to see and more important things to discuss about in life, in our society, in our world.
TO all the people commenting on this video, Dont tell us whether you are straight/bi/gay...Because it doesnt matter. Having to list that qualifier only hinders your support for this man
Just say what you believe. It doesn't matter what sex you like to sex :)
I have just watched the Oscar winning documentary "The Life and Times of Harvey Milk" and though tit was brilliant. At one point they are fighting to stop gay teachers from losing their jobs and it is incredible to hear the bigotry from some of the politicians. They state even on T.V. that it will help to stop child abuse as most gay do this. We have come a long way in a short time and I home mankind keeps moving forward.
every time i watch this i cry, and then i feel like i could run a marathon. i'm not even gay but this is the most inspirational and beautiful thing i've ever seen in my life :)
@hx3artshapedb0x it's great to hear you were so moved by this video (though feeling like you could run a marathon is a new reaction we haven't encountered. I like it.)
same here yesterday I was supposed to bring in something that inspires in my critical race theory class and I showed the class this excerpt my professor really loved it. I love milk his words continue to inspire change and I hope to make a contribution in some ways.
This is so inspirational not only to homosexuals but to all minorities it remind us that everyone is important no matter what religion or color or even sexual orientation I'm straight but i believe that Harvey milk is the unsung hero of all minorities
Its incredible to me that people do not see the reverse racism involved with this type of thinking. What is the difference between saying things like you must elect gay people vs. saying you must elect white people?
@TommyC503 There's more of a larger meaning in saying that you "must vote for gays". He's not simply just saying "you have to vote for gays or else"; he's making a point that you should vote for the different kinds of people, such as the gays [or people of different ethnicity for example] because it allows them to gain a more equal place in society, especially during his times where homosexuality was very looked down upon, even irrationally feared. Activism in office leads to change.
@ArtistGirlNikki I disagree. The minority should never govern over the majority. You can see what is happening now with that type of mentality. We are broke and broken. What is good for the majority is what is good for the nation. I am not saying that the minority should be oppressed, but we certainly can not make decisions in this country that are based on the minority at the expense of the majority - that isnt working. That is also defined as politically correct.
@TommyC503 Everybody knows the democracys biggest flaw is the power of the majority over a minority, thus minority rights and voice must be protected by law. Democracy is only successful when Rule of law is held higher than public opinion- because the majority agrees doesnt mean its right, people have a romantic view of democracy, that it is flawless, when its far from it - agreed its the best form of governance but it needs to be kept in checkn by laws... hence the constitution.
@TommyC503 I'm not saying that a minority is to completely run the majority. I'm just saying his point is to get these people's voices heard so that they can have a hope towards equality. Just as the blacks did to gain civil rights, and the women did to gain suffrage.
@TommyC503 Well for one thing, not all LGBT people are white. And he is not saying that you must elect gay people, in this speech, he is saying that humans cannot live without hope.
i cry eavrytime i hear this.unfortenetly i am still in the closet from my perents,sisters uncles and some friends.thank you harvey for that glimpse of hope and for giving me courage to keep on living.thank you harvey milk.
Harvey Milk, thank you very much for all you've done for us! You're a symbol for all gay, lesbian and bisexuals around. Thanks for what you've done. We will always love you!
@Alexzilafilms360 I think he means that if you only ever elect straight people and dont even consider gay people then there are no role models and no one to help that child, but I don't think he meant you should deliberately choose someone who is gay over straight simply because they are gay, just give them equal opportunities
I went to San Francisco this past August and it was amazing! I stayed in North Beach right off Broadway and Columbus near City Lights bookstore. Just so you know I'm straight but completely PRO Gay Rights. I had seen the Movie MILK and it was amazing when I was in the Castro. Standing outside Castro Camera was breath taking to say the least. There is just an aura that can't be over looked. I was speechless. We Gotta give em HOPE. R.I.P Harvey Milk.
Harvey Milk was a great man. I had no idea who he was until the movie Milk came out a couple years ago. I am bisexual, and it has taken me most of my 17 year life to accept that and come out. This man gives me hope that someday the world will be able to accept people, regardless of sexual orientation, regardless of race, and regardless of their beliefs.
Harvey Milk was a great man. I had no idea who he was until the movie Milk came out a couple years ago. I am bisexual, and it has taken me most of my 17 year life to accept that and come out. This man gives me hope that someday the world will be able to accept people, regardless of sexual orientation, regardless of race, and regardless of their beliefs.
Who are the 12 people that dont like this? If you dont like the message or gay people the dont watch it! Oh my god! Idiots.
I just got back from a national gathering og GSA's and one of the queer youth that I met there has been having trouble lately and I sent him this video along with a few other things to try and inspire him. So far its working but unfortunately we live far away from each other. he's in Indianna and Im in Utah but hope is a great thing to have. Thank you Harvey.
I am one of the many people who were greatly inspired by these films about the wonderful human, Harvey Milk. After watching the latest movie, "Milk," I was in awe at the incredible courage taken by this man and the members of the gay rights movement. To me, Harvey Milk is a name that should be spoken about more often. He is just as much as a martyr for civil rights as Martin Luther King, J.r., Malcolm X, Mahatma Gandhi, and many others. He left us, so that we could walk in his footsteps. R.I.P.
I'm proud to be living in the state of Iowa which recently changed its laws so homosexuals have the right to get married where ever they want, sadly that's only in about 5 out of 50 states.
main thing I think some people are trying to say is "Oh being gay is wrong, a sin, for that you don't deserve to live, to have a chance,"
Being gay should be such a smaller matter, its just about love. Why do you hate it? because god says it's wrong? When really what you do, what you say, defies all you believe in. So really, in my eyes, your Hippocrates. I you do not believe its right at least be respectful.
Its hard to fathom what this man really did for the gay rights movement. Who knows where we'd be without him. Rest in Peace Harvey. Your legacy truly lives on forever.
I don't want to get into a giant debate about this, since it's futile anyway, but I have this to say about Same-sex Marriage: In Susan Anthony's time, the Bible was used as justification for why women didn't have rights. It was under the grounds that women tempted men into sin, so they were repented through doing everything men wanted. The Bible was ALSO used for justification on why interracial couples are wrong. Were Adam and Eve black and white? Didn't think so. So, what's the difference?
When giving people something like marriage, we don't give it to the majority and then decide which minorities earn it. That's not how it works.
Minorities don't have to earn their rights--or at least they shouldn't. There is no valid reason they shouldn't be allowed to marry. So if marriage is granted to the majority, then gay people should be allowed to marry as well.
What a truely inspiring human being. Children should learn about him in school, like Martin Luther King. Kids need role models. This speech brought tears to my eyes. How much has changed since Harvey's time? Prop 8 passed, Sally Kern etc. Don't let efforts from people like Harvey got waste. Never stop fighting discrimination!
This is truly powerful (and i am a straight blue collared raised kid)
I remember a few years ago at thanks giving. My step brother was picking on my little brother calling him gay, I said in a joking manor but still very serious "Hey steve its okay if your gay i'll still love you, you'll always be my little brother" then getting awkward stares from the rest of the family. Thats when i realized that some people may never learn
im not gay either, and i cant say that i support gay relationships because im a christian, but i love everyone, gay people, bi, blacks, asians, latinos, people of all kinds, i love them no matter what they are
he is an amazing person, i truly look up to him. im not homosexual be he taught me that no matter what you are, who you are, we all live in this world ,through persevience we can make a difference and no matter what, never give up. i know a person from altoona and san antonio and both happen to be gay. but anyways i truly have hope of a better world, and i believe its right around the corner people will realize it sooner or later.
what an amazing man seriously its a breath taking speech! hope! on a lesser not does anybody know wht tht song was tht was playing in the background? Thanks
he was inspiring no matter what u may believe and he did have his heart in what he was trying to do, i may be a christian but i love the fact that he cared enough to do something
On a less heated note, brilliant. He is a role model of mine and he should be to millions of others; the youth of today (which includes me - I am only thirteen) look up to people like Cheryl Cole and other celebrities, which is great, and I'm not about to argue with them. But I can guarantee that, unless any of them do anything to revolutionize today's society, none of them will EVER inspire and be remembered and cherished by as many people, and for as long as Harvey Milk.
@andrewsmomishot: That is so ignorant I feel physically sick. He gave rights to people and worked his guts out to make things right and all you can say is 'That fag got what was coming to him.'? How can you think like that? What if you got assassinated? How would you feel if I said 'Well, that ignorant prick got what was coming to him.'? But then again, YOU didn't start a civil rights movement, or plant hope in thousands of people, so... Well, what can I say?
I just watched the movie what an awesome human being he was and such a tragic loss . It must have been a pleasure for all that had the chance to know him he must never be forgotten
You are absolutely correct Mickey, I just don't like when these trolls come in here and try to paint someone who I respect even more then my own father as a sick pedophile when the facts speak for themselves that he was not. But I do agree with you and Milk 's message of hope is inspiring. Peace.
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Read "The Mayor of Castro Street."
"...sixteen-year-old McKinley was looking for some kind of father figure...At 33, Milk was launching a new life, though he could hardly have imagined the unlikely direction toward which his new lover would pull him." (pages 30-31)
"It would be to boyish-looking men in their late teens and early 20's that Milk would be attracted for the rest of his life." (page 24)
"Harvey always had a penchant for young waifs with substance abuse problems." (page 180)
Uh, how do i put this...WRONG! Milk and McKinley started their relationship in 1964 when he was 17 and of legal age of consent in New York. Actually I am pretty sure the age of consent in New York back in the 60's was actually 16 so either way you would be wrong. NEXT!
"On February 14th 1980 McKinley committed suicide. He was 33, the same age when Milk and McKinley fell in love in 1963"
McKinley born 1947
1980 - 33= 1947
1947 + 16= 1963
Milk born 1930
1930 + 33 = 1963
Is my math wrong? Milk was very open about this passion for young boys. Thats a Pedophile!! Im sure you would give a pass to icons of apposing views, right? If Rush Limbaugh had a 16 year old girlfriend that wanted the hot and nasty, you would find a way to excuse it, right?
Once again, for the intellectually challenged such as you Yereviltwin2, the age of consent back in the 60's was different then it is today. New York's age of consent today is 17, but back in the 60's it was 16, & even if it wasn't Milk & Mckinley did not start a relationship until 1964! You ignorantly keep saying it was 1963, but that is incorrect, although it doesn't matter because even if it were '63, he was still of legal age back in the 60's. Now go drink a tall glass of Shut The Fuck Up.
Ok, you excuse and justify Milks pedophilia by saying it was the 60s and that was a different time so it was OK for a 33 year old man to have a relationship with a 16 year old boy. You believe its fine for older men to have relations with young teen age boys, thats interesting. Fair enough. If you believe it was OK in the 60s and its fine by todays standards also, then keeping marriage between one man and one woman must be fine too? After all what was good in the 60s, is fine for today, right?
Are you a complete fucking retard or do you just not know how to read? Let's try this again for the last time, Milk & McKinley started their relationship in 1964 when he was 17 NOT 16! 17 is the legal age of consent in New York, therefore no case of pedophilia was involved in their relationship. But if you want to talk pedophiles, how about that "virgin" Mary getting knocked up by God at the age 15? God is the biggest pedophile of them all, wouldn't you say? It's like Oh My God! Shocking!
What's so hard to understand is how completely, fucking stupid you are. You keep saying Milk & McKinley started their relationship in 1963, that is incorrect. Milk & McKinley started their relationship in 1964 when Mckinley was 17. The legal age of consent in New York TODAY is 17, the legal age of consent back in the 1960's WAS 16, so even if your were right (& you're not) Milk & McKinley would both have been of legal age to take part in a consensual sexual relationship. AND U R DONE!
This isn't about what I believe it is about what the law states is the legal age of consent and it's also about your sick and twisted way of distorting reality to suit your morally corrupt damnation of one of the greatest civil rights leaders of the gay rights movement. It's been entertaining debating with & watching you prove your ignorance & raging hate with each of your unintelligent posts. BTW, do you think it was ok for God to knock up the "virgin" Mary at 15?
If you want my opinion on the virgin Mary Id first like your opinion on if you personally find anything wrong 33 year old man to having a relationship with a 16 year old boy?
I do not distort reality, I just did simple math. Several websites have Milk and McKinley starting there relationship in 64 and 63. But mathematic dont lie, and the cold hard math points to McKinley being 16 in 1963 and Milk being 33.
@Yereviltwin2 No, that was not pedophile, it was legal then, you don't have to stretch it and give us all the math just to make it seem even more wrong.
You can not say is was pedophilia if the law was that when it was.
Oh I see, if the law was the law, then it was right and just? Well then, Sodomy was against the law back then and Harvey was breaking that law. He is therefore is still a criminal. As far as I know screwing a 16 year old was against the law. Show me the law that said it was fine. Slavery was also the law, I assume you think slavery was OK until the law against it was written. Let me ask you. Do you think it’s OK for a 33 year old man to have a 16 year old boy lover?
@Yereviltwin2 harvey milk being a hero of mine I find it hard not bein biased on this, relationships with large age gaps especially when it comes to teens are not highly regarded in my books but neither are people involved with like 20 people in their life. When I research him I look past that too. But the fact is Harvey Milk did great things, inspired great things, and gave so many people hope in an era where they hated themselves for who they were. And that is why I will always respect him.
the raw intensity of the hatred inside of you makes my stomach churn. he was a child of god, just like you and for you to spill out this spite for your fellow brother, not matter your personal opinions, is worthy of weeping over. find compassion. your a good person and your better than this.
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Jim Jones and the Peoples Temple cult; he purchased land in Guyana and started talking about moving to Paradise. In 1977 demands for investigation grew, and Jones moved to Guyana. Moscone refused to allow any internal investigation of the Housing Commission, and Milk wrote a letter to President Carter praising Jones and calling his detractors liars.
Civil marriage out weigh Civil unions in over 600 legal benefits and rights, Civil unions are not recognised out of the state they were received which makes the legal contract next to nothing when in other states or abroad. Hospital visitation, Pension, Insurance, Adoption, Custody, court battles, will entitlements, all are not protected in civil unions.
*sighs* Marriage has not changed. The number of people bitching about it has.
Marriage means a lot of things to lot of people. However it has always been between men and women and because I've seen your angles and where they lead I will keep pushing back.
Pushing back? that comment tells me nothing, i just told you how they changed, Gay marriages have existed before, not a religious ceremony, not a secular contract, but the origin of marriage that predates both. Marriage has constantly changed, just because religion was the "in" thing the last couple thousand years we seem to think religion claimed marriage.
Of course the government has claim on it, its called a CIVIL marriage. you can have all the religious ceremonies you like it still doesnt make it a legal marriage, you need a license from the state for that. The Government has EVERY claim on it, if you want it to have any legal protection benefit.
and for the umpteenth time, it already has changed many times, by government, by religion, by people, because thats what society does, change and improve.
Finally, some true colours, funny how it always come back to derogatory terms "scrum bag gay rights group"
1. Gays are fighting for Civil marriage not religious ceremonies, thats why Atheists, agnostics, and other religions can get married in america
2. it is illegal under current law for any group of people for force a church to marry them, any church has the religious right to turn them away for any reason no matter how discriminative, however the secular government doesn't.
You also seem to think your "Protecting" Churches from gay people by using the word Mercy, when its completely hypercritical and a Idiotic double standard when a church is forcing their beliefs to become a government law.
No, Marriage is a legal contract from the government its not an idea.
In a so called EQUAL country EVERYBODY should be equal and be able to take part in it, Gays are not forcing anything, they simply want the same protections under the law that you have, and why shouldnt they.
Government isnt poking their nose anywhere because they are the ones who issue the Marriage license, not the churches, Religion shouldnt even come into this argument.
Marriage REQUIRES a legal contract for government verification. To make a pre-existing concept (marriage) into legal binding because the government attached things to it.
EXACTLY, Marriage REQUIRES a legal contract from the government to make it a MARRIAGE, Nobody owns marriage, religion definitely doesnt, everybody should be allowed to take part in it.
we're going in circles here, i've already said, Marriage is a privilege, PREVENTING from someone from getting that privilege based on sexual orientation is discrimination and a breach of Civil rights.
But I can get an aknowlegment of Marriage by my local priest. The government just needs to make sure a marriage is legit because of monetary things.
Bitching about a word is pure stupidity on your part. I'm standing up for common sense which tells the government to go shove it. Marriage isn't required for anything. Hence it boils down to a mere want.
If Gay parents *want* the same legal protections as adoptive parents as any other parent why shouldn't they? - If Gay Partners *want* to be able to visit their dying partners in a hospital bed with visitation rights, why shouldn't they?
Yes of course they *want* equality, who wouldn't , nobody wants double standards and hypocrisy, a country is not equal until the laws are equal.
Notice how you've backtracked on every one of your arguments since i replied to you, because you didnt have a clue what you were talking about, you saw propagandist TV ads spouting lies against gay people in attempt to sway the ignorant and innocent and relying on the uninformed to fall into the trap of fear to get their vote.
Simply because you dont like gay people in general your pushing this, you know its discrimination.
Nope I was in Cali during the pro 8 protests and saw an innocent woman get beaten by people claiming to be peacful protestors. Then when I moved in I get arrested for shoving the guy away from her.
The charge? Hate crime. I DON'T WANT THIS TO BE NATION WIDE!
hmm ok..this has anything to do with the argument how?
Even if that were true What does banning gay marriage have ANYTHING to do with a group of people fighting out of a heated argument where they were probably insulted, not that im trying to excuse alleged violence.
Gay people exist regardless, if fighting was all gay people did what does banning gay marriage do to fix this non existant problem?
Your running out of crap to spout, before it was lies now its just stupid.
An opinion with no facts? everything iv said about the differences between Marriage and civil unions, everything about hows its unequal and unconstitutional, everything about how gay marriages do not effect you in any way are true. Your opinion of gay marriage is based on your opinion of gay people in general, a blanket statement, your opinion should not effect their protection under the law.
Having gay marriage in the same realm as normal marriage would mean that shools would have to teach it or get its teachers fired. My church automaticly rejected a pastor who was homosexual because his lifestyle went against scripture and we got flack.
Point out a right to marriage in the constitution and I'll call it a right. Otherwise it'll get put in the same imaginary BoR as the right to abort.
We're going round in circles again, why you are repeating the same regurgitated crap? i've already explained why schools wouldn't teach marriage in schools, nor would they favour a type of marriage.
no MARRIAGE law effects a SCHOOL curriculum, the board of education always has and always will decide what goes on in schools, if they do teach anything about it, it will simply be taught the same way hitler is taught in history class, yet no kids are running home wanting to be nazi's (continued)
The rights being violated are the ones under the Discrimination Law, its also a breach of separation of church and state to make laws based on religious opinion and/or favoring a religion.
Marriage is a privilege
Banning a minority from attempting to get this privilege is where parts of the "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" is being violated also.
Last post beofre doing better things with my afternoon.
There is NO MENTION of speration of curch and state anywhere. When it was mention it eluded to sperating the state from church matters. Not the church from state matters.
A privilege goes to those who are able to get it. Gays are unable to get married. Oh well.
No, i said it was unconstitutional because making laws based on a religious opinion (Mormon church putting 20m million into prop 8) is a breach of separation of church and state.
OF COURSE it is, separation works both ways, just like you have the freedom of religion, we have freedom FROM religion, in that SAME clause.
"A privilege goes to those who are able to get it. Gays are unable to get married. Oh well. "
Yes, and preventing people from getting that privilege based on sexual orientation or any other characteristic within the discrimination law, IS a discriminative unequal law.
Welcome to Democracy. Have fun. Mormons can put money into something they agree with. That's Capitalism.
And the seperation is to keep state from church. But the church can legitimatly influence the law. There is no freedom from religion. I can believe how I will and can press those beliefs forward. I can practice them in public. You have a right to suck it up, sit there and bitch about it, or leave.
Democracy? Capitalism? dont you have that abit backwards, Forcing your person beliefs on somebody else through law is not a democracy, thats blind ignorance and intolerance.
Yes you can believe how you want, but you cant force it on others, or at least you cant do it in America, because the constitution was made for the exact opposite, equality for all.
Atheism = freedom from religion
Separation of church and state = freedom of religion
as discriminative and hateful your beliefs might be, your allowed them they are YOUR beliefs, not anybody else's.
Your own "logic" works against you
"I can believe how I will and can press those beliefs forward. I can practice them in public. You have a right to suck it up, sit there and bitch about it, or leave."
what about the so called gay agenda? does this apply to you? or is that another double standard and hypocrisy?
Nobody said they would stand by prop 8s outcome, thats the whole reason they were fighting it to begin with, but im guessing its still a double standard because i seriously cant see you "standing by" the outcome in the future, because gays will have equality just like every other minority has.
@wormer105 No, they are not forcing anything, its the governments curiosity and will to be fair to the people that we are changing.This is the 21st century, grow up and accept what is coming at us.I am not a big believer in religion but isn't 'god' supposed to be fair and kind and loving to all his people? That means rights for homosexuals. Its love, what is wrong with that? Man and wife marriage tradition not law. That's discrimination against people, which god is supposedly sent to prevent.
...Also since when did marriage laws have any effect on school curriculum, Passing same sex marriage laws in no way shape or form creates a school curriculum on marriage. The Board of education always has and always will teach what goes on in schools, if children learn anything of gay marriage in schools it will simply be known that it exists, like in history class, what hitler did is taught, it doesnt mean kids are running home wanting to be a nazi.
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1) Harvey Milk was a sexual predator of teenagers
2) Milk advocated having multiple sexual relationships at the same time
3) Milk promoted lying to get ahead.
Randy Shilts, a homosexual San Francisco Chronicle reporter, wrote a favorable and sordid biography of Milk in "The Mayor of Castro Street." The 1982 book detailed Milk's sexual relationships with a 16-year-old, a 19-year-old and other young men. Find a better advocate to push your gay agenda. Because Harvey was a big Joke as NAMBLA.
a gay agenda? oh you mean that living peacefully thing, who do you suppose we advocate next?
16 and 19 are both legal age in the UK, but considering your spouting crap anyway what does it matter, i suppose if you manage to find an 18 year old girlfriend when your middle aged, you'd be perverted to right? is that just another double standard from a bigot.
we're not talking about an 18 year old or a 19 year old. Harvey was in his late 20's and having a sexual relationship with a 16 year old boy. Maybe in the UK 16 is legal. But here in California 16 is a minor and you will be prosecuted as a pedophile and be a registered sex offender for the rest of your life. That's ok he's Harvey Milk the Allah of homosexuality . Pedophiles are criminals not a bigots. Why does every gay advocate have to play the bullshit "bigot" card. Get over it.
Well considering theres no proof at all for your claims of him having sexual relationships with 16 year olds, then your still in the same position you were before the comment. i dont condone pedophilia obviously, but my law doesnt consider it that, but thats besides the point, you obviously have a low opinion of gay people in general it makes sense you'd target a man fighting for them.
And what exactly is the "Gay Agenda" if you dont mind explaining.
Thank you Harvey Milk for giving me hope when I was a teenager. I am now 48 and today I help to remind my family, nephews, nieces, friends that yes we can be ourselves that fear is death ...silence is death....and WE are FREE to Be Ourselves in Harmony!
Lisa Carpenito "Positive and Proud in Portland, Oregon"
cherrielane69 2 months ago
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Gay-ism is a disease that should be cured
maxleon69 2 months ago
god bless Harvey Milk. I know he is smiling down at us today.
julykid28 3 months ago
I watched that clip and I am reading the comments that people have posted and my eyes are tearing up. It' so sad that he's not around now.
alexis13thirteen 3 months ago
He's dead and Anita Bryant is still alive, that's just wrong...
dustcloud36 4 months ago 4
This brings me so much hope and so much joy :)
GenocideOnToast 5 months ago
I love this! Does anyone know where I can find the complete speech?
noxe101 6 months ago
I'm 30+, Indian, tortured in school coz of being gay, scared to death that people will find out about me! I watched 'Milk' today and u know what, I feel so much stronger now! The movie and 'Harvey Milk' has truly inspired me to come out one day and that day, thanks to him will come soon! RIP Harvey, I love you for what you did for all of us!! Thank you so much!!
bemycrush 6 months ago
<3333333333333333333
YoungIvyScholar 6 months ago
This is BEAUTIFUL :')
uhohalishaaa 7 months ago 3
wow this video was so touching and inspirational and just a seconed ago i felt ashamed of being lesbian. GO HARVEY!!
IcePi5tol 7 months ago 3
I have shivers running down my spine listening to this. How stange :-)
xtremedude100 7 months ago 2
This video just negates all the hate in the world. Beautiful.
spacely123 7 months ago 4
Love you Harvs
spacely123 8 months ago
I hope the man that killed Harvey died a horrible, horrible death.
OsxinBraveheart 8 months ago
@OsxinBraveheart well, he went to jail for a couple years, returned home to a failed career and ruined marriage and then killed himself two years later, and i think it's safe to say he died depressed, guilty and alone. i think that's a pretty horrible death, don't you?
sugarcube440 8 months ago
@sugarcube440 Well damn. XD That's good to hear.
OsxinBraveheart 8 months ago
Yeah..you retards can Milk my "Harvey"
biasedreporting 8 months ago
Thank you Harvey Milk
danielle1028 8 months ago 6
Who cares who you have sex with; there are so many other beautiful things to see and more important things to discuss about in life, in our society, in our world.
danielle1028 8 months ago 2
TO all the people commenting on this video, Dont tell us whether you are straight/bi/gay...Because it doesnt matter. Having to list that qualifier only hinders your support for this man
Just say what you believe. It doesn't matter what sex you like to sex :)
Trust us.
BryanLUVV 8 months ago 3
Can I just say that I think this video has changed my life? (:
AnnyPB13 9 months ago 2
15 people have no soul
willthacheerleader18 9 months ago
I have just watched the Oscar winning documentary "The Life and Times of Harvey Milk" and though tit was brilliant. At one point they are fighting to stop gay teachers from losing their jobs and it is incredible to hear the bigotry from some of the politicians. They state even on T.V. that it will help to stop child abuse as most gay do this. We have come a long way in a short time and I home mankind keeps moving forward.
WillShakespeare2007 9 months ago
Dem on Dem crime - sweet !!!
Ironbumm 9 months ago
Fucking BEAUTIFUL ! SUCK IT, Maggie Gallagher !
tregibbs 9 months ago
Why is it so wrong to be gay?
Flyplane23 10 months ago
Regardless of whether you are gay, straight, bi or... Martian, this has got to be one of the most inspirational speeches ever!
multicolourorange1 10 months ago 2
It's fantastic that people like this and everything, but why must you add the "but I'm not gay" disclaimer?
This is truly motivating and who gives a fuck about my sexual orientation.
lexosaurs 11 months ago 5
every time i watch this i cry, and then i feel like i could run a marathon. i'm not even gay but this is the most inspirational and beautiful thing i've ever seen in my life :)
hx3artshapedb0x 11 months ago 69
@hx3artshapedb0x it's great to hear you were so moved by this video (though feeling like you could run a marathon is a new reaction we haven't encountered. I like it.)
Causecast 11 months ago 22
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same here yesterday I was supposed to bring in something that inspires in my critical race theory class and I showed the class this excerpt my professor really loved it. I love milk his words continue to inspire change and I hope to make a contribution in some ways.
Kyoko019 6 months ago
by the way I forgot to mention how much love is in his words when gave this speech. its really beautiful.
Kyoko019 6 months ago
This is so inspirational not only to homosexuals but to all minorities it remind us that everyone is important no matter what religion or color or even sexual orientation I'm straight but i believe that Harvey milk is the unsung hero of all minorities
voldc 11 months ago 3
Its incredible to me that people do not see the reverse racism involved with this type of thinking. What is the difference between saying things like you must elect gay people vs. saying you must elect white people?
TommyC503 1 year ago
@TommyC503 There's more of a larger meaning in saying that you "must vote for gays". He's not simply just saying "you have to vote for gays or else"; he's making a point that you should vote for the different kinds of people, such as the gays [or people of different ethnicity for example] because it allows them to gain a more equal place in society, especially during his times where homosexuality was very looked down upon, even irrationally feared. Activism in office leads to change.
ArtistGirlNikki 1 year ago
@ArtistGirlNikki I disagree. The minority should never govern over the majority. You can see what is happening now with that type of mentality. We are broke and broken. What is good for the majority is what is good for the nation. I am not saying that the minority should be oppressed, but we certainly can not make decisions in this country that are based on the minority at the expense of the majority - that isnt working. That is also defined as politically correct.
TommyC503 1 year ago
@TommyC503 Everybody knows the democracys biggest flaw is the power of the majority over a minority, thus minority rights and voice must be protected by law. Democracy is only successful when Rule of law is held higher than public opinion- because the majority agrees doesnt mean its right, people have a romantic view of democracy, that it is flawless, when its far from it - agreed its the best form of governance but it needs to be kept in checkn by laws... hence the constitution.
maffews 1 year ago
@TommyC503 I'm not saying that a minority is to completely run the majority. I'm just saying his point is to get these people's voices heard so that they can have a hope towards equality. Just as the blacks did to gain civil rights, and the women did to gain suffrage.
ArtistGirlNikki 1 year ago
@TommyC503 Well for one thing, not all LGBT people are white. And he is not saying that you must elect gay people, in this speech, he is saying that humans cannot live without hope.
alexis13thirteen 3 months ago
@alexis13thirteen What does LGBT mean?
TommyC503 3 months ago
@TommyC503
Lesbian, Gay, Bi, Trans.
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i cry eavrytime i hear this.unfortenetly i am still in the closet from my perents,sisters uncles and some friends.thank you harvey for that glimpse of hope and for giving me courage to keep on living.thank you harvey milk.
danceactor 1 year ago
Wow. Every time i hear that speech i get shivers. You make me hopeful for a greater tomorrow :)
SuperM333 1 year ago 4
Harvey Milk, thank you very much for all you've done for us! You're a symbol for all gay, lesbian and bisexuals around. Thanks for what you've done. We will always love you!
MaverickSanchez 1 year ago 2
This man is so inspirational I struggle not to cry when I hear him talk. I can't put into words how much I admire this brave man.
EdNortonisMineLol 1 year ago 6
@Alexzilafilms360 I think he means that if you only ever elect straight people and dont even consider gay people then there are no role models and no one to help that child, but I don't think he meant you should deliberately choose someone who is gay over straight simply because they are gay, just give them equal opportunities
dancingwithsmurfs 1 year ago
I went to San Francisco this past August and it was amazing! I stayed in North Beach right off Broadway and Columbus near City Lights bookstore. Just so you know I'm straight but completely PRO Gay Rights. I had seen the Movie MILK and it was amazing when I was in the Castro. Standing outside Castro Camera was breath taking to say the least. There is just an aura that can't be over looked. I was speechless. We Gotta give em HOPE. R.I.P Harvey Milk.
67hippielove 1 year ago
i cant listen to this speech
it makes me bawl every time i do
jrdufour07 1 year ago 4
Why are there no leaders who talk like this anymore?
witchhunter84 1 year ago 3
This made me cry... thank you, Harvey Milk.
QlomnzClan 1 year ago
Least we now have Joel Burns.
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lkmkuwaruma 1 year ago
made me cry i love him he was amazing
VintageGinger 1 year ago
I cry every time I watch this.
whattheheck204 1 year ago 3
hearing this speech makes me cry. it makes me proud to be gay and to be a californian.
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Harvey Milk was a great man. I had no idea who he was until the movie Milk came out a couple years ago. I am bisexual, and it has taken me most of my 17 year life to accept that and come out. This man gives me hope that someday the world will be able to accept people, regardless of sexual orientation, regardless of race, and regardless of their beliefs.
loveyloplove 1 year ago
Harvey Milk was a great man. I had no idea who he was until the movie Milk came out a couple years ago. I am bisexual, and it has taken me most of my 17 year life to accept that and come out. This man gives me hope that someday the world will be able to accept people, regardless of sexual orientation, regardless of race, and regardless of their beliefs.
loveyloplove 1 year ago 3
<3=')
mcrblackmasquerade 1 year ago
Who are the 12 people that dont like this? If you dont like the message or gay people the dont watch it! Oh my god! Idiots.
I just got back from a national gathering og GSA's and one of the queer youth that I met there has been having trouble lately and I sent him this video along with a few other things to try and inspire him. So far its working but unfortunately we live far away from each other. he's in Indianna and Im in Utah but hope is a great thing to have. Thank you Harvey.
sudstate22 1 year ago 3
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I am one of the many people who were greatly inspired by these films about the wonderful human, Harvey Milk. After watching the latest movie, "Milk," I was in awe at the incredible courage taken by this man and the members of the gay rights movement. To me, Harvey Milk is a name that should be spoken about more often. He is just as much as a martyr for civil rights as Martin Luther King, J.r., Malcolm X, Mahatma Gandhi, and many others. He left us, so that we could walk in his footsteps. R.I.P.
NJKIDDRICO973 1 year ago
11 people disliked this video. 11 people are ignorant.
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BrittanysMusicVideos 1 year ago
I'm proud to be living in the state of Iowa which recently changed its laws so homosexuals have the right to get married where ever they want, sadly that's only in about 5 out of 50 states.
5Bpoint 1 year ago 2
main thing I think some people are trying to say is "Oh being gay is wrong, a sin, for that you don't deserve to live, to have a chance,"
Being gay should be such a smaller matter, its just about love. Why do you hate it? because god says it's wrong? When really what you do, what you say, defies all you believe in. So really, in my eyes, your Hippocrates. I you do not believe its right at least be respectful.
5Bpoint 1 year ago
Truely Inspirational.
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emilianoriverplate 1 year ago
Beautiful. Happy birthday yesterday, RIP, Harvey <3
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My name is Jack Galen McKinley I knew Harvey Milk In 1963 when I was 16. Milk moved me from New York to San Francisco where has statutorily raped me.
My name is Jack Galen McKinley
My name is Jack Galen McKinley
My name is Jack Galen McKinley
My name is Jack Galen McKinley
JackMcKinley16 1 year ago
@JackMcKinley16 Seriously?!?!?!?!
DrGeorgeOMalleyRules 1 year ago
It's the first Harvey Milk Day today--spread the word and the love!
beshrewinggoth 1 year ago
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Milk was a boy lover. Look up how Milk had a 16 year old lover Jack McKinley when Milk was 33. Dont celebrate pedophiles.
Yereviltwin2 1 year ago
Look up Jack McKinley, Havery Milks 16 year old boy lover that Milk had when he was 33.
Yereviltwin2 1 year ago
i cried. because it's sad some people will never learn.
JasperDiedRomantic 1 year ago 3
Its hard to fathom what this man really did for the gay rights movement. Who knows where we'd be without him. Rest in Peace Harvey. Your legacy truly lives on forever.
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girldirector907 1 year ago
I don't want to get into a giant debate about this, since it's futile anyway, but I have this to say about Same-sex Marriage: In Susan Anthony's time, the Bible was used as justification for why women didn't have rights. It was under the grounds that women tempted men into sin, so they were repented through doing everything men wanted. The Bible was ALSO used for justification on why interracial couples are wrong. Were Adam and Eve black and white? Didn't think so. So, what's the difference?
magentalovely 1 year ago 7
When giving people something like marriage, we don't give it to the majority and then decide which minorities earn it. That's not how it works.
Minorities don't have to earn their rights--or at least they shouldn't. There is no valid reason they shouldn't be allowed to marry. So if marriage is granted to the majority, then gay people should be allowed to marry as well.
wetterdew 1 year ago 3
What's the background music?
jackk2786 1 year ago
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Look up Milks 16 year old boy lover Jack McKinley.
Why would you make a hero out of a man that committed statutory rape?
Yereviltwin2 1 year ago
Whoops. Meant "got to."
angrycitizen7 1 year ago
What a truely inspiring human being. Children should learn about him in school, like Martin Luther King. Kids need role models. This speech brought tears to my eyes. How much has changed since Harvey's time? Prop 8 passed, Sally Kern etc. Don't let efforts from people like Harvey got waste. Never stop fighting discrimination!
angrycitizen7 1 year ago 4
Harvey Milk was a brilliant man, and his spirit lives on in the name of love, and equality and happiness.
MousyxXxPANSYreborn 1 year ago
Harvey Milk always gave me hope and I bless his soul for the gift he made of his too brief a life.
RadCelt 1 year ago
This brought tears to my eyes.
What a great video !!!
I hope this gets legion-of-eyes-and-ears.
(meaning 'many'), for we are many."
God-Loves-Us-All-!!!
Peace-Out-
Day0One 2 years ago
good
pengyou1909 2 years ago
This is truly powerful (and i am a straight blue collared raised kid)
I remember a few years ago at thanks giving. My step brother was picking on my little brother calling him gay, I said in a joking manor but still very serious "Hey steve its okay if your gay i'll still love you, you'll always be my little brother" then getting awkward stares from the rest of the family. Thats when i realized that some people may never learn
nofxjeff 2 years ago 116
@nofxjeff this made me happy :]
im not gay either, and i cant say that i support gay relationships because im a christian, but i love everyone, gay people, bi, blacks, asians, latinos, people of all kinds, i love them no matter what they are
roothekid 1 year ago
@nofxjeff same here but in a way we are all stricken of right by someone, or this is some one who wants take away our rights
sociallogie 1 year ago
he is an amazing person, i truly look up to him. im not homosexual be he taught me that no matter what you are, who you are, we all live in this world ,through persevience we can make a difference and no matter what, never give up. i know a person from altoona and san antonio and both happen to be gay. but anyways i truly have hope of a better world, and i believe its right around the corner people will realize it sooner or later.
DeadEndJustice13 2 years ago 4
what an amazing man seriously its a breath taking speech! hope! on a lesser not does anybody know wht tht song was tht was playing in the background? Thanks
adamisawolves 2 years ago 2
he was inspiring no matter what u may believe and he did have his heart in what he was trying to do, i may be a christian but i love the fact that he cared enough to do something
lexiluvchica 2 years ago 3
@lexiluvchica: Hey hey, no "buts" there. I think that's a really Christian sentiment!
Lokisdottir 2 years ago
thanks, its so hard to find inspiring, non-hatful comments these days
lexiluvchica 2 years ago
On a less heated note, brilliant. He is a role model of mine and he should be to millions of others; the youth of today (which includes me - I am only thirteen) look up to people like Cheryl Cole and other celebrities, which is great, and I'm not about to argue with them. But I can guarantee that, unless any of them do anything to revolutionize today's society, none of them will EVER inspire and be remembered and cherished by as many people, and for as long as Harvey Milk.
RosieTwilight5678 2 years ago 3
@andrewsmomishot: That is so ignorant I feel physically sick. He gave rights to people and worked his guts out to make things right and all you can say is 'That fag got what was coming to him.'? How can you think like that? What if you got assassinated? How would you feel if I said 'Well, that ignorant prick got what was coming to him.'? But then again, YOU didn't start a civil rights movement, or plant hope in thousands of people, so... Well, what can I say?
RosieTwilight5678 2 years ago 87
@RosieTwilight5678 Good Lord! That's the best thing i've read in youtube for years!
AlbatrossDude 1 year ago
@AlbatrossDude Thank you! :)
RosieTwilight5678 1 year ago
This was so big and relevant last year... what happened??
GreenFiles 2 years ago
Hey, I'm not gay but I got a positive message from sombody atleast saying there is hope.... for somthing!
angie4josh 2 years ago
wonderful indeed...muwah!
dareharley 2 years ago
this man is an inspiration. an amazing guy.
theworldismyown 2 years ago 4
you are 150% right
narutoinpink 2 years ago
***BEAUTIFUL!***
ma0namaste 2 years ago 4
wow. That was. Hm :)
DeadorAlive19 2 years ago
I just watched the movie what an awesome human being he was and such a tragic loss . It must have been a pleasure for all that had the chance to know him he must never be forgotten
ajb635 2 years ago 2
let's stop worrying about milk and his relationships. the point of this video is HOPE. Comment on that.
MickeysOnTV 2 years ago 6
You are absolutely correct Mickey, I just don't like when these trolls come in here and try to paint someone who I respect even more then my own father as a sick pedophile when the facts speak for themselves that he was not. But I do agree with you and Milk 's message of hope is inspiring. Peace.
CrudelyAnimated 2 years ago
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Read "The Mayor of Castro Street."
"...sixteen-year-old McKinley was looking for some kind of father figure...At 33, Milk was launching a new life, though he could hardly have imagined the unlikely direction toward which his new lover would pull him." (pages 30-31)
"It would be to boyish-looking men in their late teens and early 20's that Milk would be attracted for the rest of his life." (page 24)
"Harvey always had a penchant for young waifs with substance abuse problems." (page 180)
Yereviltwin2 2 years ago
thank you :)
MickeysOnTV 2 years ago
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Harvey Milk was a Pedophile!!
Jack Galen McKinley - Harvey Milks Boy friend (1963-69)
Milk had a relationship with McKinley, and recruited him to work on conservative Republican Barry Goldwater's 1964 presidential campaign
On February 14th 1980 McKinley committed suicide by jumping off a ledge. He was 33, the same age when Milk and McKinley fell in love in 1963
1980 33 = 1947
1947 + 16 = 1963
McKinley was 16 when Milk started a relationship with him!
Yereviltwin2 2 years ago
Uh, how do i put this...WRONG! Milk and McKinley started their relationship in 1964 when he was 17 and of legal age of consent in New York. Actually I am pretty sure the age of consent in New York back in the 60's was actually 16 so either way you would be wrong. NEXT!
CrudelyAnimated 2 years ago 2
"On February 14th 1980 McKinley committed suicide. He was 33, the same age when Milk and McKinley fell in love in 1963"
McKinley born 1947
1980 - 33= 1947
1947 + 16= 1963
Milk born 1930
1930 + 33 = 1963
Is my math wrong? Milk was very open about this passion for young boys. Thats a Pedophile!! Im sure you would give a pass to icons of apposing views, right? If Rush Limbaugh had a 16 year old girlfriend that wanted the hot and nasty, you would find a way to excuse it, right?
Yereviltwin2 2 years ago
Once again, for the intellectually challenged such as you Yereviltwin2, the age of consent back in the 60's was different then it is today. New York's age of consent today is 17, but back in the 60's it was 16, & even if it wasn't Milk & Mckinley did not start a relationship until 1964! You ignorantly keep saying it was 1963, but that is incorrect, although it doesn't matter because even if it were '63, he was still of legal age back in the 60's. Now go drink a tall glass of Shut The Fuck Up.
CrudelyAnimated 2 years ago 2
Ok, you excuse and justify Milks pedophilia by saying it was the 60s and that was a different time so it was OK for a 33 year old man to have a relationship with a 16 year old boy. You believe its fine for older men to have relations with young teen age boys, thats interesting. Fair enough. If you believe it was OK in the 60s and its fine by todays standards also, then keeping marriage between one man and one woman must be fine too? After all what was good in the 60s, is fine for today, right?
Yereviltwin2 2 years ago
Are you a complete fucking retard or do you just not know how to read? Let's try this again for the last time, Milk & McKinley started their relationship in 1964 when he was 17 NOT 16! 17 is the legal age of consent in New York, therefore no case of pedophilia was involved in their relationship. But if you want to talk pedophiles, how about that "virgin" Mary getting knocked up by God at the age 15? God is the biggest pedophile of them all, wouldn't you say? It's like Oh My God! Shocking!
CrudelyAnimated 2 years ago 2
Hmmm... lets do some basic mathematics again
McKinley born 1947
1980 - 33= 1947
1947 + 16= 1963
Milk born 1930
1930 + 33= 1963
On February 14th 1980 McKinley committed suicide. He was 33, the same age when Milk and McKinley fell in love in 1963
Can you read the above quote? Do the math yourself. Both McKinley and Milk were 33 when they died. AGAIN! 33 minus 1980 equals 1947.
1947 plus 16 equals 1963. Milk was born in 1930. 1930 plus 33 equals 1963! What is so hard to understand?
Yereviltwin2 2 years ago
What's so hard to understand is how completely, fucking stupid you are. You keep saying Milk & McKinley started their relationship in 1963, that is incorrect. Milk & McKinley started their relationship in 1964 when Mckinley was 17. The legal age of consent in New York TODAY is 17, the legal age of consent back in the 1960's WAS 16, so even if your were right (& you're not) Milk & McKinley would both have been of legal age to take part in a consensual sexual relationship. AND U R DONE!
CrudelyAnimated 2 years ago 4
Do you personally find anything wrong 33 year old man to having a relationship with a 16 year old boy?
Yereviltwin2 2 years ago
This isn't about what I believe it is about what the law states is the legal age of consent and it's also about your sick and twisted way of distorting reality to suit your morally corrupt damnation of one of the greatest civil rights leaders of the gay rights movement. It's been entertaining debating with & watching you prove your ignorance & raging hate with each of your unintelligent posts. BTW, do you think it was ok for God to knock up the "virgin" Mary at 15?
CrudelyAnimated 2 years ago
If you want my opinion on the virgin Mary Id first like your opinion on if you personally find anything wrong 33 year old man to having a relationship with a 16 year old boy?
I do not distort reality, I just did simple math. Several websites have Milk and McKinley starting there relationship in 64 and 63. But mathematic dont lie, and the cold hard math points to McKinley being 16 in 1963 and Milk being 33.
Yereviltwin2 2 years ago
@Yereviltwin2 No, that was not pedophile, it was legal then, you don't have to stretch it and give us all the math just to make it seem even more wrong.
You can not say is was pedophilia if the law was that when it was.
5Bpoint 1 year ago
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Oh I see, if the law was the law, then it was right and just? Well then, Sodomy was against the law back then and Harvey was breaking that law. He is therefore is still a criminal. As far as I know screwing a 16 year old was against the law. Show me the law that said it was fine. Slavery was also the law, I assume you think slavery was OK until the law against it was written. Let me ask you. Do you think it’s OK for a 33 year old man to have a 16 year old boy lover?
Yereviltwin2 1 year ago
@Yereviltwin2 harvey milk being a hero of mine I find it hard not bein biased on this, relationships with large age gaps especially when it comes to teens are not highly regarded in my books but neither are people involved with like 20 people in their life. When I research him I look past that too. But the fact is Harvey Milk did great things, inspired great things, and gave so many people hope in an era where they hated themselves for who they were. And that is why I will always respect him.
highjinnk 1 year ago
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this fag got what was coming to him
andrewsmomishot 2 years ago
A movie and to be remembered positively throughout history?
daymyth 2 years ago
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no, to take a fucking bullet because hes a two bit faggot
andrewsmomishot 2 years ago
Oh, well we all have a bullet with our name on it... Some of just find ours first...
daymyth 2 years ago
the raw intensity of the hatred inside of you makes my stomach churn. he was a child of god, just like you and for you to spill out this spite for your fellow brother, not matter your personal opinions, is worthy of weeping over. find compassion. your a good person and your better than this.
ThatFreakBabyKenzie 2 years ago
With reports of coercion and other disturbing activities in
Jim Jones and the Peoples Temple cult; he purchased land in Guyana and started talking about moving to Paradise. In 1977 demands for investigation grew, and Jones moved to Guyana. Moscone refused to allow any internal investigation of the Housing Commission, and Milk wrote a letter to President Carter praising Jones and calling his detractors liars.
This is his legacy you want to celebrate that ?
northpal2 2 years ago
NO WHERE in the bill to pass gay marriages, does it say anything about a Marriage school curriculum or the consequences of not teaching it.
"My church automaticly rejected a pastor who was homosexual because his lifestyle went against scripture and we got flack. "
and how is this got anything to do, with a secular government marriage?
iv already also explained, its discriminative to stop gay people getting a marriage license from the government based on their sexuality.
BenJEMean 2 years ago 2
Civil marriage out weigh Civil unions in over 600 legal benefits and rights, Civil unions are not recognised out of the state they were received which makes the legal contract next to nothing when in other states or abroad. Hospital visitation, Pension, Insurance, Adoption, Custody, court battles, will entitlements, all are not protected in civil unions.
BenJEMean 2 years ago
*sighs* Marriage has not changed. The number of people bitching about it has.
Marriage means a lot of things to lot of people. However it has always been between men and women and because I've seen your angles and where they lead I will keep pushing back.
wormer105 2 years ago
Pushing back? that comment tells me nothing, i just told you how they changed, Gay marriages have existed before, not a religious ceremony, not a secular contract, but the origin of marriage that predates both. Marriage has constantly changed, just because religion was the "in" thing the last couple thousand years we seem to think religion claimed marriage.
BenJEMean 2 years ago
Actually marriage is simply the latest word for it. Problem is that the government has no claim on it. Thus it isn't in its power to change. Get it?
wormer105 2 years ago
Of course the government has claim on it, its called a CIVIL marriage. you can have all the religious ceremonies you like it still doesnt make it a legal marriage, you need a license from the state for that. The Government has EVERY claim on it, if you want it to have any legal protection benefit.
BenJEMean 2 years ago
And? Sine the government gives benifits to married couples I'd want to make sure they were married too.
Marriage is a title. It can't be changed via a government mandate.
wormer105 2 years ago
and for the umpteenth time, it already has changed many times, by government, by religion, by people, because thats what society does, change and improve.
BenJEMean 2 years ago
And letting to guys be considered as married and put countless churches at the mercy the next scumbag gay rights group makes things better? Nope.
Marriage has not changed. The rules governing it have changed with women's lib and the such things. That's common sense.
wormer105 2 years ago
Finally, some true colours, funny how it always come back to derogatory terms "scrum bag gay rights group"
1. Gays are fighting for Civil marriage not religious ceremonies, thats why Atheists, agnostics, and other religions can get married in america
2. it is illegal under current law for any group of people for force a church to marry them, any church has the religious right to turn them away for any reason no matter how discriminative, however the secular government doesn't.
BenJEMean 2 years ago
You also seem to think your "Protecting" Churches from gay people by using the word Mercy, when its completely hypercritical and a Idiotic double standard when a church is forcing their beliefs to become a government law.
BenJEMean 2 years ago
Gays are forcing their idea of marriage onto us.
Gays are telling the government to poke its nose where it doesn't belong. Period.
wormer105 2 years ago
No, Marriage is a legal contract from the government its not an idea.
In a so called EQUAL country EVERYBODY should be equal and be able to take part in it, Gays are not forcing anything, they simply want the same protections under the law that you have, and why shouldnt they.
Government isnt poking their nose anywhere because they are the ones who issue the Marriage license, not the churches, Religion shouldnt even come into this argument.
BenJEMean 2 years ago
Marriage REQUIRES a legal contract for government verification. To make a pre-existing concept (marriage) into legal binding because the government attached things to it.
Marriage isn't protected. It isn't a civil right.
wormer105 2 years ago
EXACTLY, Marriage REQUIRES a legal contract from the government to make it a MARRIAGE, Nobody owns marriage, religion definitely doesnt, everybody should be allowed to take part in it.
we're going in circles here, i've already said, Marriage is a privilege, PREVENTING from someone from getting that privilege based on sexual orientation is discrimination and a breach of Civil rights.
BenJEMean 2 years ago
But I can get an aknowlegment of Marriage by my local priest. The government just needs to make sure a marriage is legit because of monetary things.
Bitching about a word is pure stupidity on your part. I'm standing up for common sense which tells the government to go shove it. Marriage isn't required for anything. Hence it boils down to a mere want.
wormer105 2 years ago
"Hence it boils down to a mere want."
If Gay parents *want* the same legal protections as adoptive parents as any other parent why shouldn't they? - If Gay Partners *want* to be able to visit their dying partners in a hospital bed with visitation rights, why shouldn't they?
Yes of course they *want* equality, who wouldn't , nobody wants double standards and hypocrisy, a country is not equal until the laws are equal.
BenJEMean 2 years ago
Notice how you've backtracked on every one of your arguments since i replied to you, because you didnt have a clue what you were talking about, you saw propagandist TV ads spouting lies against gay people in attempt to sway the ignorant and innocent and relying on the uninformed to fall into the trap of fear to get their vote.
Simply because you dont like gay people in general your pushing this, you know its discrimination.
BenJEMean 2 years ago
Nope I was in Cali during the pro 8 protests and saw an innocent woman get beaten by people claiming to be peacful protestors. Then when I moved in I get arrested for shoving the guy away from her.
The charge? Hate crime. I DON'T WANT THIS TO BE NATION WIDE!
wormer105 2 years ago
hmm ok..this has anything to do with the argument how?
Even if that were true What does banning gay marriage have ANYTHING to do with a group of people fighting out of a heated argument where they were probably insulted, not that im trying to excuse alleged violence.
Gay people exist regardless, if fighting was all gay people did what does banning gay marriage do to fix this non existant problem?
Your running out of crap to spout, before it was lies now its just stupid.
BenJEMean 2 years ago
And you stand on opinion with no facts. The government can only give what it has to give and the title of marriage ain't it.
And call me stupid or whatever. I honestly have better things to do than please a dog barking about rights that don't exist.
wormer105 2 years ago
An opinion with no facts? everything iv said about the differences between Marriage and civil unions, everything about hows its unequal and unconstitutional, everything about how gay marriages do not effect you in any way are true. Your opinion of gay marriage is based on your opinion of gay people in general, a blanket statement, your opinion should not effect their protection under the law.
BenJEMean 2 years ago
Having gay marriage in the same realm as normal marriage would mean that shools would have to teach it or get its teachers fired. My church automaticly rejected a pastor who was homosexual because his lifestyle went against scripture and we got flack.
Point out a right to marriage in the constitution and I'll call it a right. Otherwise it'll get put in the same imaginary BoR as the right to abort.
wormer105 2 years ago
We're going round in circles again, why you are repeating the same regurgitated crap? i've already explained why schools wouldn't teach marriage in schools, nor would they favour a type of marriage.
no MARRIAGE law effects a SCHOOL curriculum, the board of education always has and always will decide what goes on in schools, if they do teach anything about it, it will simply be taught the same way hitler is taught in history class, yet no kids are running home wanting to be nazi's (continued)
BenJEMean 2 years ago
There are also gay kids in those schools, why should they not be able to learn simply that gay marriages exist?
and dont you think by now, the amount of media attention gay marriage has, that these kids will already know about anyway.
BenJEMean 2 years ago
The rights being violated are the ones under the Discrimination Law, its also a breach of separation of church and state to make laws based on religious opinion and/or favoring a religion.
Marriage is a privilege
Banning a minority from attempting to get this privilege is where parts of the "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" is being violated also.
BenJEMean 2 years ago
Last post beofre doing better things with my afternoon.
There is NO MENTION of speration of curch and state anywhere. When it was mention it eluded to sperating the state from church matters. Not the church from state matters.
A privilege goes to those who are able to get it. Gays are unable to get married. Oh well.
wormer105 2 years ago
No, i said it was unconstitutional because making laws based on a religious opinion (Mormon church putting 20m million into prop 8) is a breach of separation of church and state.
OF COURSE it is, separation works both ways, just like you have the freedom of religion, we have freedom FROM religion, in that SAME clause.
No religion can establish a law
and No state can establish a religion
BenJEMean 2 years ago
"A privilege goes to those who are able to get it. Gays are unable to get married. Oh well. "
Yes, and preventing people from getting that privilege based on sexual orientation or any other characteristic within the discrimination law, IS a discriminative unequal law.
BenJEMean 2 years ago
Welcome to Democracy. Have fun. Mormons can put money into something they agree with. That's Capitalism.
And the seperation is to keep state from church. But the church can legitimatly influence the law. There is no freedom from religion. I can believe how I will and can press those beliefs forward. I can practice them in public. You have a right to suck it up, sit there and bitch about it, or leave.
wormer105 2 years ago
Democracy? Capitalism? dont you have that abit backwards, Forcing your person beliefs on somebody else through law is not a democracy, thats blind ignorance and intolerance.
Yes you can believe how you want, but you cant force it on others, or at least you cant do it in America, because the constitution was made for the exact opposite, equality for all.
Atheism = freedom from religion
Separation of church and state = freedom of religion
BenJEMean 2 years ago
as discriminative and hateful your beliefs might be, your allowed them they are YOUR beliefs, not anybody else's.
Your own "logic" works against you
"I can believe how I will and can press those beliefs forward. I can practice them in public. You have a right to suck it up, sit there and bitch about it, or leave."
what about the so called gay agenda? does this apply to you? or is that another double standard and hypocrisy?
BenJEMean 2 years ago
I say let gays grow up before giving them anything.
As it stands they said they'd stand by prop 8s outcome (when they thought they had it made) then threw a tantrum when it didn't play.
wormer105 2 years ago
Nobody said they would stand by prop 8s outcome, thats the whole reason they were fighting it to begin with, but im guessing its still a double standard because i seriously cant see you "standing by" the outcome in the future, because gays will have equality just like every other minority has.
BenJEMean 2 years ago
@wormer105 No, they are not forcing anything, its the governments curiosity and will to be fair to the people that we are changing.This is the 21st century, grow up and accept what is coming at us.I am not a big believer in religion but isn't 'god' supposed to be fair and kind and loving to all his people? That means rights for homosexuals. Its love, what is wrong with that? Man and wife marriage tradition not law. That's discrimination against people, which god is supposedly sent to prevent.
5Bpoint 1 year ago
...Also since when did marriage laws have any effect on school curriculum, Passing same sex marriage laws in no way shape or form creates a school curriculum on marriage. The Board of education always has and always will teach what goes on in schools, if children learn anything of gay marriage in schools it will simply be known that it exists, like in history class, what hitler did is taught, it doesnt mean kids are running home wanting to be a nazi.
BenJEMean 2 years ago
incredible speech, let GLBT people be accepted and have the rights OF EVERYONE!
Harvey Milk was incredible!
<3
Thevoicedwoman 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
1) Harvey Milk was a sexual predator of teenagers
2) Milk advocated having multiple sexual relationships at the same time
3) Milk promoted lying to get ahead.
Randy Shilts, a homosexual San Francisco Chronicle reporter, wrote a favorable and sordid biography of Milk in "The Mayor of Castro Street." The 1982 book detailed Milk's sexual relationships with a 16-year-old, a 19-year-old and other young men. Find a better advocate to push your gay agenda. Because Harvey was a big Joke as NAMBLA.
guitarfreakstyle2 2 years ago
a gay agenda? oh you mean that living peacefully thing, who do you suppose we advocate next?
16 and 19 are both legal age in the UK, but considering your spouting crap anyway what does it matter, i suppose if you manage to find an 18 year old girlfriend when your middle aged, you'd be perverted to right? is that just another double standard from a bigot.
BenJEMean 2 years ago
we're not talking about an 18 year old or a 19 year old. Harvey was in his late 20's and having a sexual relationship with a 16 year old boy. Maybe in the UK 16 is legal. But here in California 16 is a minor and you will be prosecuted as a pedophile and be a registered sex offender for the rest of your life. That's ok he's Harvey Milk the Allah of homosexuality . Pedophiles are criminals not a bigots. Why does every gay advocate have to play the bullshit "bigot" card. Get over it.
guitarfreakstyle2 2 years ago
Well considering theres no proof at all for your claims of him having sexual relationships with 16 year olds, then your still in the same position you were before the comment. i dont condone pedophilia obviously, but my law doesnt consider it that, but thats besides the point, you obviously have a low opinion of gay people in general it makes sense you'd target a man fighting for them.
And what exactly is the "Gay Agenda" if you dont mind explaining.
BenJEMean 2 years ago